Zoning Commission - Regular Meeting

Okay, welcome everybody. It's great to see everybody here. I'm Carl Dondor for the Chairman of the Board of Trustees for Concord Township. On behalf of myself and the other trustees, Amy Lucci, John Wartell, our Fiscal Officer, John Patriarca, Andy Rose, our Township Administrator, the entire Concord staff, we thank you for being here today for this town hall. The Township is exploring the option of a single trash hauler. This has been visited at least twice in the past and has never been acted upon. However, due to the ability to piggyback on an existing contract for the Ohio Revised Code, there has been significant interest expressed to the township to revisit this potential option again. There has been no decision made on the purpose, and the purpose of this meeting is to communicate to our community what a single trash hauler could provide to the residents and to solicit feedback from residents, answer questions, and listen to those opinions that are either in support or do not support the initiative. We sincerely appreciate your involvement in this town hall and to those that have already reached out to the Board of Trustees to express their opinions. So what's going to happen tonight is we are going to, I'm going to introduce Andy Rose, our township administrator. he's going to go through the proposal and then we will um have some uh discussion on that and a timeline and then we will open it up for questions and answers and we're just going to sort of go with the town hall and and try to do what we can as far as the trustees answering questions or concerns and things of that nature so thanks for being here andy

Thank you, Mr. Dondorfer. Good evening, everyone. Thank you for coming out on this beautiful day. I have a short slide presentation that I think will answer a lot of your questions. I think a lot of you have, I feel like a good handful of you, I recognize some names as I'm talking to folks coming in, have already called me and we've had various discussions. I see head nods and so forth. uh we opened up with some trustee remarks and the trustees will come back after the q a and probably address things we're going to talk about piggybacking on another community the proposed plan and a potential timeline so the proposed plan Sorry. So as Mr. Dondorfer mentioned, I won't bore you, but the Ohio Revised Code Section 9.48b allows a community to piggyback on an existing contract.

I'm sorry, I've got to hold this here or you won't be able to hear me.

What it requires is the contract community, in this particular case, it's the city of Willowick. Willowick has a contract with the vendor, which is Major Waste, and they both have to agree on Concord Township piggybacking. So the contract community, which is Willowick, would consider and pass a resolution that authorizes Concord Township to enter into the existing contract. Once that resolution is passed by the Let me try this one. This one might be a little better. Is that better? Okay. So then the vendor sends a letter, which in this case is major waste, would send a letter agreeing to allow Concord Township to join the contract. At that point, once we have those two documents, we would craft a resolution that would go before the Concord Township Board of Trustees, and the only thing we negotiate is the entering the contract and what the start date of the contract is. Because we are piggybacking on another community's contract, we don't have the ability to alter the terms of the contract, so we're falling in on an existing contract. The only negotiation is what is the start date for Concord Township should we decide to move forward. So, here's what everybody really wants to know. Oops. Okay, so the proposed plan is to join a contract with Major Waste under the City of Willowick's contract. The services provided in that contract give you weekly trash, weekly recycle, weekly yard waste. Yard waste goes, I think it's April to a certain date. I think it's first week in December, but it's basically the grass cutting and leaf season. You will have weekly yard waste pickup and there's also two item bulk pickup. So if you have a larger item that doesn't fit into the trash tote, you can set it off next to the trash tote up to two items and they will pick that up as well. There are rules for that, and I won't get into all of them, but you can't put a fridge or a refrigerator out because of the Freon issue, and I think soft goods like a chair or a loveseat or something like that has to be wrapped in plastic. But that's the basic gist. I've had discussions with Major Waste. I've had discussions with the city of Willowick. Should we decide to move forward? the likely start date we are looking at is february 1st of 2027 which is the beginning of the next year it gives major waste who just picked up paynesville in paynesville township it gives them time to ramp up get the appropriate number of recycle and trash containers out to folks at home set up billing accounts etc etc so we're looking at february 1st of 2027 those are the costs $62.34 for the first year of the contract which is February of 27 until January of 28 and that's $62.34 that's that's a quarter that's not a month that's a quarter I want to emphasize that And then from February of 2028 until January of 2029, the price goes to $64.20 a quarter. Then February 29, that should be January of 2030. I apologize for the typo. It's $66.12 a quarter. The Willowick contract has an option for an additional five years. So that contract could potentially, that service and that contract could run out to January of 2035. Should Willowick exercise those option years, we would likely follow along if everything's going well. And that would take Concord Township single hauler to 2035. In addition, the contract does have a bag-only option, so if you don't want recycling, you don't want yard waste, you don't want bulk pickup, you can buy a roll of bags, and I believe it's 10 bags, and you can buy those for $28.10, and you can put one bag out a week. I don't know how that works out in the budget, but that is a particular option. A resident can opt out, but you cannot opt out and hire a different trash company. So you can't opt out and call Waste Management. You can't opt out and call Republic. You can't opt out and call one of the other local hauler companies that services Lake County. The contract covers all dwellings on public roads. They fall under the agreement. Dwellings that are on private streets without a condominium association would be part of the contract. The condominium associations on private streets, I'm thinking, okay, players club, country scene are two that just pop into my head. they have the option to join into the contract or they can remain on their current arrangement because they are a separate organization that that contracts for the entire development for lack of a better term or the association so that's who falls underneath the contract terms and then here is a proposed timeline August of 2026 we have sent a letter to the city of Willowick asking them to allow us the ability to piggyback It's non-binding, but we have asked them to consider it, so that will be on their agenda at their meeting in August. I think their meeting is next week, so that will go up for consideration. And I'll remind everybody that's non-binding. And then once that's done, Major Waste will send a letter to the township informing them that we can join the existing contract with the City of Willowick. That letter is also non-binding. at that point it will go to the concord township trustees and then they will consider a resolution they may decide based upon feedback they may decide you know what we're not going to do this they may decide to move forward with it that'll be up to the trustees But if the resolution passes, the proposal is that the commencement date will be February 1st. As I mentioned before, this allows the residents ample time. It cleans up any existing agreements that you have with other trash companies. And it also allows major waste time to ramp up, get the containers ready, get the billing set up, and all that stuff. So if that happens, then likely late December, early January, major waste will be floating all over the community, dropping off containers for everybody. And then if it goes forward, then February 1st of 2027, whatever the first Monday is of that week, We would, Concord Township would start the contract with that. And a couple of quick comments before I go into Q&A. I will say I've gotten, since we announced this meeting, I've gotten about 30 phone calls in my office. Actually, it's 29 to be exact. 24 were for it, five were against it for various reasons that I won't get into. But that seems to be the consensus. I know there's been a lot of comments on Facebook and different things. I won't get into all those, but it feels like the price point is very good with everybody. And that was one of the things that we searched for. was a contract to be perfectly honest when we looked at this a couple times before one of the things we heard is dear god don't go out for bid the majority of us have major waste and if they can't win the contract we don't want it that's what we heard that that's what we all heard so this is an opportunity and it's it's part of the community feedback that we've had so that's my short presentation

Sure.

And then I'm going to turn it back to Mr. Dondorfer, and then we can get into your questions and comments.

Thanks, Andy. Okay, so like Andy said, I've been a trustee since 2019. I think Amy and I have heard this issue come up a couple times before. We really did not go down that road because people were concerned about open bid and who would get that bid is the lowest bidder. Like Andy said, major waste has about 80% of the Concord Township market right now. And we had an overwhelming amount of people that had reached out to us either by phone or through email or in different avenues coming into town hall asking us to revisit this because they wanted to explore the option. of a township garbage hauler because they thought it would be beneficial to the residents. I know with the proposed contract, I currently have major waste. I'm paying about $109 a quarter, and I don't even get all those services that they're going to provide. And some of the other considerations that we heard are concerns from residents that reached out to us just in case this might be a question. A lot of concerns were the amount of garbage companies who were up and down the streets daily, increasing wear and tear on the roads, increasing noise disturbances. We also implemented a yard waste program that many people used, however, due to the Labor that it took for our service department you know we had to cut down the time frame that we had people our guys doing yard waste and It's a labor-intensive Project and it would put those guys back on the road doing the road service and repair work that we that we need done some of the other considerations was the wear and tear on the road with multiple haulers and the ability to increase our longevity of the roads within the township and The other issue that came up was people that stored yard waste on their properties and the stench that it caused as well as bugs and things of that nature. So these are all things that we looked at in bringing this town hall so we can get some feedback from people. We also had addressed some concerns from some residents in the township that have special needs or that are handicapped and they have certain garbage haulers. that would come down their driveway because they couldn't bring their cans to the end of the road. We've been assured and reached out our concerns with Major Waste, who would address those concerns on a case-by-case basis. So with that, again, we haven't made any decision. We're just bringing this to you as a community. We don't like government overreach. Our job here is to do what's best for the community and best for Concord Township. And if it's a service you think would be beneficial to you, we'd like to hear your feedback. And with that, I'm going to let the other trustees make a few comments before we get into questions and answers.

Thanks, Carl. Thank you so much for being here. I'm Amy Lucci. It's great to have a crowd. I know this means a lot to you, even though it's trash, it's still a big deal. So Carl kind of went over sort of the reasons why I think we're considering this. Again, we don't want to tell you what to do. We don't want to tell you who you have to choose. We're looking for an opportunity for you to save money and looking for an opportunity for you to be with the provider that you're already with and save money at the same time. we don't we're not here again government overreach is not what our intention is our intention is to do what we think is better for the township

Thanks, Amy. And along the lines of what Amy said, thank you all for coming out. It shows that local government affects your life more than anything else. And I always say that, and I appreciate that. One of the things that I said the day I got sworn in seven and a half months ago was we may not always make a decision, or I may not always make a decision that is what you might perceive as the best one. But I'm going to make it with... doing all of the homework I possibly can and what I believe is best for this community. I've been a part of this community since I was four years old. I live in the community. I've lived in the community right up on Girdled Road for the last 16 years. Prior to that, I lived in Hampton Bay at Water Oaks. I lived off of Rivetta Road. So I've been a part of Concord since I was four years old when my parents built a grocery store here in 1977. I currently pay Lake Carl for waste pickup and recycle. I pay about $109. I think it's $107.94, my wife told me. When we started doing our due diligence on this and started talking about it and saying, okay, Carl said, hey, this got brought up before prior to me being a trustee and it didn't go over very well. And all of a sudden these communities around us started revisiting that. And Carl said, we should revisit it. Let's try and do what's best for our community, right? And try and make that decision with the homework. Part of that homework having a town hall and hearing your questions in the answers and your questions and your concerns and then with that information then we can make that decision whether whether it's going to be for the people in this room or half the people in this room but we have 19,000 154 residents in Concord Township and And we have to make a decision based on what's best for that and our service department. You know, one of the things we looked into and I think is really important to think about is, like Carl said, you know, the yard waste getting brought to the service department takes a valuable time when they can be repairing roads and ditches and things like that over that same season that they'd be collecting that yard waste. So that's, all of that went into that. And then the cost savings was what we thought was, at the end of the day, the most important thing. So... We're looking to hearing your concerns. I always joke around and say, nobody comes to these things when they're all excited about it, right? You come with questions and concerns, and that's why we're having a town hall meeting. It's the best way to communicate with our residents. So thank you all for coming. I appreciate it.

Thanks, Carl. John Petrarca, fiscal officer. I really prefer our town hall meetings where I get to speak first before everyone steals all my points. But yes, this issue has come up a couple times during my tenure as fiscal officer. And the way that I approach it and my mindset was kind of immediate, short-term, long-term. And immediate, I just think about all of us, all the residents. And I think 99% of us are going to be saving money. When I lived in Morley Hills, I had waste management. I was paying over $450 a year. I'm now on this side of town in Ellison Creek. I'm paying about $77 a quarter. So I know that with two different companies, I will be saving money. I know 80% of the residents in Concord Township are already using major. And I expect that the bulk of that 80% will be saving money. And I am... more than sure that anyone using waste management is going to be saving money. So in terms of short term or immediate benefit for our residents, it's a no doubter. Short term, as all three of our trustees discussed, our service department, the man hours that we're utilizing in terms of our staff for the yard waste, It's certainly a service that is needed for our residents, but in terms of staffing, operational budget within the service department, it's taxing on our guys and on our operational budget. This frees up some of our manpower to get out there, potentially do one to two more road projects a year. make sure that the community is kept up the way that we want, and we're able to do all of those things staying on budget without having to go back and ask our residents for more money. So in a short-term prospect of our staffing and our year-over-year operational budget within the service department, it's a huge benefit. And then we look at the long-term forecast, five years, seven years, ten years. What does the reduction of multiple haulers on our roads due for the infrastructure on the roads and the need for repairs in that five to seven to ten year window. I may not be up here, these three trustees may not be up here, but it's our goal to make sure that the community is in a good position moving forward and we think that the potential of bringing a single hauler in right now could check the boxes of immediate for the residents short-term and long-term for the community. So we think that we would be doing the community a disservice without at least bringing it to the table. And we certainly heard the feedback once Willowick, Painesville, Painesville Township, a lot of the communication and a lot of the correspondence from our residents was, what's going on? Why aren't we pursuing this? And the response was, we have multiple times in the past, and I think the opportunity that we have in front of us right now is very unique, and it's certainly something that we will and should consider. And that's all I got.

Thanks, John. So I think what we're going to do to consider everybody's time, and we appreciate everybody being here, is Mr. Rose will go around the room. We'll start on this side, and we'll go around. Whatever you'd like to say, questions, concerns, whatever. If your question's already been asked and you don't need to ask it, then we'll continue around. And either the administrator or trustees or fiscal officer will answer what we can for you. So we'll start right here. And if you just want to raise your hand, and Mr. Rose will pass you the microphone. Right gentleman right here. Both on?

How about now? Oh, there we go.

Okay. Do you have a question?

How do you opt out? Sorry?

How do you opt out of the program? You don't sign up with Major Waste if and when we switch over. You would just simply not sign up for an account.

I don't think they'll send you a notice.

I'm not quite sure.

We have a rep from Major Waste here.

Justin, who's the general manager of Major Waste, is here to answer some of those types of questions.

Justin, thanks for being here with us. Sorry we should have introduced you earlier. I apologize.

This is Justin Cutler. He's the general manager for Major Waste.

Carl, you can just hand him the mic.

Yes, so what we'll do is you'll get some literature in the mail, and you can obviously select to opt out. What we did with Painesville Township, if they didn't want it, there was a little box that they could check, send it back to our office. We know not to make an account for you, and then that way we can keep track of who does have an account and who has opted out.

Yeah, yes, sir.

Okay.

Right now, all I have is one bag of garbage, one bag of recycle. I got some newspapers in a box. Now, the recycles are all free. Right. You can take it out to the dump as much as you have and dump it in and out your five minutes for that.

Right.

But I pay $5 for the whole thing.

And you would still have that option? Okay. Yes, sir.

Because I'd like to opt out, and if that's an option, I'm... I don't have a problem. Yes sir.

what about the people that are only here part year we spend our winters down south so right now we're with you and we just shut it off during the winter right right and that and that still would still be the same okay you know you would just call the office tell them that you want to go on a vacation hold they're going to ask you when you know what what is your last pickup day and then when do you expect to turn service we've done that in the past thanks

Will you still be doing fall drop-off at the yard waste?

No, the intent is in 2027 we will not. We're going to do it in 2026, absolutely, yes. We will have leaf drop-off, yard waste drop-off starting in the fall through the leaf season this year. If we enter into a contract, then we would not do it in subsequent years because it would be curbside. I'll get you, I promise. Go ahead.

I just have a question. Just talk right over the top. All right, I just have a question. Sometimes we put things out on our yard, and I do not have you as my garbage pickup, and they have a big crank. Are you going to eventually go to that? Or do these guys have to continually pick things up and throw them in the truck?

I'm assuming you're talking about an automated truck that's got an arm that comes out and squeezes it.

The arm comes out, they make sure everything gets dumped out, and if I have things in my yard, they will get out of the truck and pick it up.

Correct.

But is that something that's going to happen going forward?

Yes, so currently right now we about the 65% of Concord we service on Friday. We've operationally have made that shift to an automated type vehicle. That's currently what we run in Painesville City, Willowick, Willoughby Hills, Painesville Township, Madison Village, all the contracts that we have. if if there is something outside the can that that driver cannot safely get he knows to or she knows to call the office let us know and we'll send a separate vehicle out to grab it but that would be the type of truck that we would use to answer your question i think

Yeah, I just wanted to make a comment. I currently have major as well and I pay like $75 or $77 and I only have trash. And I live in Lily Farms and I typically bag my lawn and I have no place all summer long to dispose of any yard waste or anything in my yard. And neighbors around me, they stack their yard clippings and debris and everything in their yard because they have no way to get rid of it. So I think personally with the price and how this all, if it all pans out that we do go with this type of service, that it's a win-win because it's saving everybody money and we have more amenities with major. Yeah.

Hello, I'm Ralph. I live on Cali Court. I also have a house in Florida that has one carrier. I don't like it. You're stuck on a price. The price can go up and down depending how they want to vote on it. So that's an issue with me. If you do have a problem, it's difficult to get them to come out. And I'm also looking at, we're looking at one carrier. Where's the other carriers? Have they, have anybody talked to them? Or are we just focusing on one carrier? Where's waste management? Where's the representative for them? So part of this

The reason why major is here is because we are proposing, if this moves forward, to piggyback on an existing contract with the city of Willowick that involves major disposal. I will tell you that in the previous proposals that we had prior, that the overwhelming amount of people did not want to go to open bid because the majority of them were already with Major and were pleased with their service and didn't like the customer service of other haulers within the area. Now, again, why Major is here tonight is because this specific initiative is designed on piggybacking on an existing contract, which is if this moves forward, there wouldn't be any other hauler, it would be Major.

And can I just add to that? So Justin, he asked, or he mentioned that in Florida, it seems like the price gets adjusted. Is that what you said? I mean, with the contract, it's in the contract. There should be no, you know, he's not going to just say, well, you know what, we got to charge you more because whatever. Can you comment on that?

Yes, so the only wild card that's in any of, or in all of our contracts is the dump rate, what we dump garbage at. That's the only, I guess that's the only thing that could initiate a price increase. So currently, right now, we dump garbage out of Lake County at Lake County Landfill for $30 a ton. I don't believe they've had a rate increase in about 18 or 20 years. I've been with the company for about nine and every year they talk about raising it, but they never do. So it's just, it's basically that little blurb in the contracts is just to protect us. If the landfill comes out and says, hey, we're gonna do a 7% increase on your dump rates, then, that point it would initiate a conversation with the trustees and saying hey look this is the only thing that we you know this is a cost increase to us you know we were gonna have to do something to pass through if we did that

As a Concord Township resident and as a major waste customer, I have a question about that though. So if the landfill did increase their rate, you'd increase the rate to me as a customer right now prior to the contract anyways, right? Prior to single haulers. So I have major waste, full disclosure, one of the 80% of the people in Concord Township. What's that? 60. That was 80.

Is it 60 or 80? 80.

Roughly 80. Okay. Thank you. Nope.

I think he just said 65% are on Fridays. I caught that too.

Thank you. Love being called out. That's what town halls are for. But as a resident though, so even if as a single, like me contracting with you as I do right now, if the landfill decided to raise their rates, you'd increase my rate anyways, correct? Okay. So it's not just a single hauler rate that would get increased. Any person who has major waste and probably waste management would do the same thing. We would have saved to assume that. Great question.

Hello. Is the recycle going to remain picked up every other week or will it go to every week?

So it would go weekly if the trustees decide to do this. Yes, it would be weekly.

Thank you.

It would be right there.

Hello. I just have one comment. Creating a monopoly, I'm totally against it for a whole bunch of reasons. I don't like the fact that even if we opt out, you know, we can't, you know, contract with somebody else. What if somebody new comes along? Their prices are cheaper? I don't know. It's just totally against free market capitalism, totally smacks of socialism as far as I'm concerned. I don't understand why government needs to get involved in this in the first place. This statute's been around since 95. Why now? Why all of a sudden? Plus, it does give you guys the ability to vote on a tax levy if you read that statute. Furthermore, it becomes a lien at some point. They can attach it to your property tax. So I'm just saying, I mean... monopolies breed complacency I'm not saying that you would we have major ways to we love you guys but I'm just completely against anything like this it just does not it doesn't and you say that you don't want to you know infringe and step in overreach and if that's the case but what about you know after you these are things that I talk to people about what your intentions are now as township trustees may not be the intentions of the future trustees and look at the law and the things that it might be able to allow them to do, I guess, in the future.

Okay, well, I've got to go completely down this road, but I know it's not socialism, it's not capitalism. You've mentioned online and on social media that it's public corruption. It's not. Our purpose is strictly to We are stewards of the township, and our obligation as trustees, and I take this oath very seriously, is to do our due diligence and to do what's best for our community, make those proposals, get feedback. We're not going to please everybody. We try to do what's best for the community, and that's why we're here. We are not corrupt public officials. We're not trying to... uh... foster socialism or capitalism uh... we pride ourselves on doing the most that we can for our township unlike you've said on social media we've all grown up in this township i've been here since nineteen seventy four I went to St. Gabe's for grade school. I served the community after that as a deputy sheriff for 25 years in Concord Township. And now I'm serving in a capacity as a trustee. And Amy grew up here as well as John. And we're just vested in the community. We love this community. We're trying to do what's best for it.

Yeah, and like you mentioned, you're exactly right. There is a statute that allows the township to obtain a single-hauler contract either by bidding, and there's a special provision that we can do on a piggyback. So because it's already a statute, it's not illegal. We're exercising a right that was given to us by the legislature. So thank you.

Hi, Bob Vasilega. Three questions. I'll just put them out there. Why Willowick? Why did you pick them? And when the contract runs out, what happens? Is the township obligated then to follow through on this and come up with some other mechanism? And the third one is, what do you do to keep the other haulers out of the community?

how do you do that if somebody chooses to try and hire somebody hey this company's has this community we're out this company has this community we're out I've never known anybody I've never known anybody to quote-unquote poach it for lack of a better term so I think and i don't think major waste goes into chardon and and poaches off dumpster bandit or goes into uh men are on the lake and poaches off republic or things like that so i think it's just an honor system amongst the trash haulers um i would i would probably we would probably write them a very polite letter saying hey we have an exclusive contract maybe you're not aware please stay out of the township

and then after that if they chose to ignore us i would kick that over to the law director after consulting with the trustees go ahead so basically and that's to to build off of what andy was saying um you know i was in the office answer helping answering phones earlier today and we ended up getting a call from a mentor resident that wanted to set up service and Hey, unfortunately, we don't service the city of Mentor. You need to contact Waste Management because they're the single hauler. So there is that understanding that if we have a contract, Waste Management, Republic, Rumpke, Dumpster Bandit, whoever does not go into there. Recoursing, if it does happen, our attorneys will send a cease and desist letter and we'll handle that through the legal system, basically.

Ready? Hi, Duane and Julia, we're on Hobby Horse. Hello. We have Major, we love you. You're doing great. Just a back-of-the-napkin calculation here. If 80% of the township uses major already, and the numbers that you've talked about, how much we all pay close to it, that's going to be cut down a third, which is great. We love it. Everybody loves to save money. But you're only going to pick up 20%. So what's the advantage for you guys to do that if you're losing a third of 80% and only gaining 20%? It's still at the lower rate. I didn't even use a napkin.

So I'm not an accountant. I'm not a numbers guy. Picking up the extra 20% with the rate decrease, we, from what I've come up with, will make maybe $1,700 more a year off of more than what we're making right now. So where we come in is it's going to be an efficiency thing. Are we doing everything the most efficient way possible? If this does go through, Concord would I'm 99.9% sure they will have Monday through Friday pickup. I'll put two trucks out here to run that. And that's how we're going to, on the back end, save some of that additional cost.

so obviously the first question that when the trustees asked that i was like well there's an opportunity cost to potentially losing the 80 base that you already have so yes you may take a haircut on that uh that 80 that you currently maintain the 20 likely will not make that up however if you consider the profit margin of the existing 80 going to zero the profit margin probably still has a little wiggle room to where, yes, they take a little haircut on the existing 80, we pick up the 20, and the sum net of that is going to be greater than losing all of it potentially, not guaranteed, but potentially if we do decide to go with a single hauler and then they run the risk of losing that bid, That opportunity cost would certainly encourage some business owners to say, hey, we are willing to offer a lower price to the larger number in order to maintain that business, and that's just a simple opportunity cost equation, I would assume.

Question for the yard waste. That's also supposed to be picked up weekly during the season, and are there bins provided for the yard waste, or is it just bags?

Sorry, I didn't hear your question.

That's okay. On the yard waste?

Yes. Yes, it'll be picked up weekly. Currently, there aren't. If you would like a bin, we do have them. Bags and what we have a lot of other communities do, they'll use their own cans. The only thing that we ask with yard waste, if it's a can that the truck can't pick up, the person that has to pick it up to keep it 50 pounds. And then anything that like brush, twigs, sticks, they can't be any bigger than four inches in diameter and four feet in length. yes yeah it has to be bundled something easily manageable for the uh for for one of my employees to pick up yes Yep, that's weekly. The only other thing that we want the resident to do is if you have a yard waste can to spray paint YW on the side of it just so that way it's easily identifiable for our drivers. Yes, oh absolutely, yes. The only bag that it can't go in is plastic.

Thanks for everybody coming here. I want to echo the comments of the man from Lilly Farms about the yard waste program and what it means to not have a yard waste program. So you all used to have one here in Concord, but apparently only 2% of the people signed up for it. I guess I was one of the 2%. It was excellent. And very disappointing that that was removed and glad to see it as part of this particular proposal. But my question is, number one, if we declare intent to move forward, as in the trustees declare intent to move forward, can we potentially opt into the yard waste early for this year? Or would the township consider some extended hours of the pickup in the service department based on the fact that As evidenced by the gentleman over here from Lily Farms, there's nowhere to dump your yard waste in a lot of these communities. Thank you.

Okay, yeah, we would definitely speak with our service department and see if we can make some accommodations for the fall and extending that.

But kind of going back to that, I think that's a major perk to have that involved in this program to free up our service department, the labor, the hours that we're utilizing our current force, and having that availability to make sure that our service team can service the community in other ways that will be more efficient and certainly more in line with their expertise.

I'm coming to you.

One of the concerns that came up is if you're with a hauler that is not major waste and you terminate your service with ABC Trash Hauler, they may charge a fee to pick up, retrieve their bin. Painesville is going through that now. That is a contractual dispute between Republic and Painesville. I'm not going to get into the legalities of that. That's currently sitting, believe it or not, in federal court. but for the individual account holders i don't know what your terms of your agreement are if you give them appropriate notice will they just retrieve your bin at no charge or will they have a charge to retrieve your bin from the other company i don't know the answer to that i think that's something each resident that's not already with major would have to work out with whoever they're contracting with at this point It's something we'll reach out. Maybe we send a polite letter to the other companies letting them know if and when this transpires and ask them to kindly waive the fee, but whether they do or not would strictly be a business decision on their end. Yes, sir.

Just for a point of reference, is Concord Township, are we the only ones who are not using a single hauler service in Lake County?

Carl, use the microphone.

we're probably one of the few that are not using a township wide hauler or municipal hauler many communities have already implemented this i think overall due to the efficiency uh the savings costs to the residents and and some of the other things we touched upon uh you know the wear and tear longevity of roads um freeing up their service uh people if they had uh you know yard waste programs and things of that nature but we're one of the few that have not done that

Also, I serve on the Ohio Township Association, and I can tell you a lot of the townships throughout the state also use a single hauler. And it sort of is the norm. We were kind of not the norm by not having that yet. Not to say that that's the answer, but that is the norm in Ohio. And you can also have waste districts in townships, which is very common in other townships in Ohio.

I need to kind of expand on that real quick, just kind of going back to the whole free market debate. It just happens at a different level. The free market is still there. It's just not happening at the individual level. It's happening at the one level higher with the entities that are going out to bid, and they have to figure out for themselves what price makes the most sense for the efficiency of their business model. And so it's not a one-hauler-fits-all for the entire industry. in this case, Concord Township or the Lake County or the state, the conditions of free market enterprise are certainly in play. It's just one step higher than each individual resident.

Hello, I work for a small business. We actually just got the contract for the neighboring city, Chardon. Good evening, Justin. How we doing? I'd hope my boss would be here. But we're looking to stay in Duluth's about 200 customers. I pick them up on Fridays. It's good to hear that you guys are offering door service. I have several disabled people that I pick up. But I still believe that open markets will end up giving you the best service in the long run. I know that it's not to sound hypocritical. I know my boss just bid on Chardon, you know, but I do believe that there should be competition in any anywhere. But I mean, I understand the appeal because right now the volatility of diesel they want to be able to move efficiently. I know it's a hard time for people, so you guys will be in good hands, but I do want to appeal to you that there are reasons to weigh your options. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you. I'm coming. I'll get there next week.

I am one of the 200 of your customers, I'm sure. I can tell you there will be a charge for a pickup of that other container. And my question is, who's going to pay for that? And who's going to pay for them to drop off all these 200 new containers to us customers who were not major customers?

I think should this move forward, the containers coming from major waste being delivered to everybody's house, that's just part of the contract. You will just get that container. As far as the container being picked up from a competitor, that would be a resident responsibility if that particular company did not waive the fee. We don't know that.

I just have a question, sir. Thank you for being here and for your comments. Did you say that you picked up, Chardon now has a single hauler? Okay, so then why are you saying it's okay to do it in Chardon, but it's not okay to do it in Concord? Okay, all right, I just wanted to make sure. Okay.

I don't know.

And so just going back real quick to the picking up the can from a previous hauler who may or may not have won the bid, I just asked Justin as a quick sidebar. So the Chardon residents that they are no longer serving that are with Dumpster Bandit, I believe, Major picked those cans up free of charge. So I think it is independent for each resident with their contract with their current hauler if it's not Major. But again, remember, it's 20% or less in Concord Township.

I'm a little bit confused, so I'm hoping you can help me think straight. I heard $100 quarters up here. I heard 70 some dollars over here a quarter. In our pre-meeting among various attendees, I heard 50, 60, a quarter. So why are there these variances in the current billing, number one? Number two, if it's based on whether or not somebody is recycling, on the proposed contract, would recycling be mandated? I presume and understand that container would come from major waste, but then there are those of us who have very full garages. And so we cannot consider storing a recycled bin when we haven't been using one for all these years.

So with that, the price that is up there comes with three services. It comes with the trash, the recycled yard waste. If you choose not to recycle or you choose not to put yard waste out, that is 100% completely fine. We have all of the containers we're thinking that we would need to curb the 20% that we don't currently have. So if you, you know, all you have to do is just call the office and say, hey, look, I'm not recycling. I don't want to recycle. And that comes off of your account.

No, ma'am.

No, no.

So it would be that price is with all three. If you choose to use all three, great. If not, then that is what that is type of thing.

If we do not do the recycling and yet the landfill increases their prices, then in effect we are paying for something we have chosen not to utilize because we don't have space for the container. And the question piggybacked on that is, when there is a contract renewal, the contract goes from year to year. So if you have an increase, you would increase it on a year to year basis. Or it could increase on a year to year basis, depending on the landfill charge. Is that correct?

So that that landfill chart and a lot of this depends on what the landfill decides to do. If they decide to go up in their rate every year, then more than likely we would follow suit based off of their previous trends. They haven't. Like I said before, they haven't had a rate increase in like 18 or 20 years. I don't see them doing a yearly increase, but I'm not the Lake County solid waste district but that would be the so it does the contracted price has a has an escalator in it i think it works out to like 2.72 percent each year and that is over the course of the what would be the eight years with the five extension years if the township decided to use that at that point but So all of that is all built in already. There is no room for fuel surcharges and all that good stuff. You're a little more protected from the price. You know what it is and what's coming. The only, like I said before, the wild card is the landfill.

And I think any increase in pricing from the landfill would not be unique to specifically major. It would be across the board, which would essentially raise rates across the board for all haulers. That would be my assumption, a very strong assumption.

I got a question. I've had you guys like 20 plus years. I live on Colburn Road, and I do not recycle, but that $60 some dollars a quarter is part of the, that's all covers the recycle as well, so I can't opt out of the recycle cost, is what the lady here asked?

I got it.

Okay, the question is can you opt out and go a la carte? The answer is no. It's a set price for February of 2027 through January of 2028. It's $62.34 a quarter. Whether you use the yard waste, the recycle, the trash, the bulk pickup or not, it's $62.34.

The other thing was, you know, I'm currently paying under $100 a year from you guys, okay? So, you know, that's a pretty big increase from $100 to, say, $264, if you do the math. And, you know, again, we're on fixed incomes and stuff like that. And the other question was, are we still going to be billed quarterly from you guys, or is that going to come out of the property tax?

to jump in here okay i was gonna say that that'll come directly from us there yeah this this contract for a single hauler is potentially with major waste it does not affect your tax bill the township doesn't get involved if you don't pay your trash bill and major waste turns you off they don't come to us and say put it on the taxes we have no visibility we don't see your trash bill The extent of our involvement is to establish this contract to get better services and hopefully better rates for the majority of the township. But we are not involved in the quarterly billing. If somebody, unfortunately, for whatever reason, falls behind, we don't have a say in that. We don't get involved in that. We are completely hands off.

All right, thank you. So, you know, beyond Colburn Road, it's not a cul-de-sac, obviously. There's three different, there's two other companies that run down there, and I know we're obligated to stay with waste management, I mean, major. But, you know, the cost difference, you know, we're talking about saving money, it's gonna be like 160 bucks more a year to only have one tote, and the tote, I bought my own tote, bought it, you know, a few years back, And so it's like, now I got a pretty good tote. And I got that. And then, like I said, from $100 a year to $264 for now, that's a pretty good increase. And so I don't understand why everybody else is paying so much more for the pickup service.

Well, I think, like you said, you have limited service right now. I know that right now I have major, and that woman over here, you mentioned the different pricing. I have regular garbage and recycling, and I'm paying $109.25 with major right now. So that's, you mentioned that number, but I think there, yeah, what's that?

yeah i i yeah i i that's that's what my bill is so so basically how that all came about and and i know you had asked that earlier and my mind went blank while i was up here answering questions um so typically or uh the reason why there's price variant differences um For example, somebody that lives in the Hunt Club, we are the premier hauler. We're supposed to be the only ones in there, so they get a better rate because it's collectively a big group. We don't go out and enforce that. We don't raise everybody rates after that, that we find out that we're not the only ones in there. But that's generally why you're seeing some of these different numbers is because there's an HOA, there's a management company involved that handles that for that HOA or that condo association. And that's kind of where all these oddball prices come out of.

Okay, my issue is, can you hear me or no? Yeah. My issue is more safety. I've talked to Andy about it, but people like me who go into the city, Painesville, on Ravenna Road every day, we have to deal with all kinds of Amazon, garbage trucks, landscapers with their long thing on the back, and there's hills everywhere. Now, you're going to add three services with every house on Ravenna. And this applies to Girdles and 608 as well where there's hills. So each house is going to take longer to clean up. And you've got one driver doing it, and he's not directing traffic whatsoever, like putting his arm out like go or don't go. Are you going to... Think about that, the safety, because these people, they don't care. They go around these trucks. And if they hit somebody head on, now we're involving the sheriff's department, we're involving the fire department's ambulance, because somebody's going to get hit head on. Do you have the power to add another person in the truck or a sign to put out or something to that effect?

So all of the trucks that we would be running are designed to run, and we call it the curbside. They're designed to run on the right side of the road. There's a steering wheel and all that good stuff on the right side of the road. The driver, when they pull up to your house, is four steps away from your can or any bulk items that he has to get out and put into the truck. All of the trucks have... you know they have the yellow strobe lights on the back it's one of those from a safety standpoint the older type trucks we still operate some that They have a guy that rides on a grate on the back of it while we're going down the road and he jumps off and throws the garbage in the back. Those trucks for our employees are generally more dangerous because you're in a lane of traffic with your back towards the lane of traffic and if you don't hear the tires squealing or the brakes whatever the case may be, and that person gets wedged in between the vehicle and the garbage truck, it makes for a whole other issue. But we do. I mean, it's every place that we go into, every township, every city, you have people that are in a hurry. They take chances when they shouldn't. From an employee safety standpoint, those trucks that we'll be operating are the safest for the employees just because they're not physically in traffic.

So, you know, that's kind of what I was thinking because I travel a lot on girdled, and it's the same. We're like hilly, and when everyone's trying to go to work, it's nerve-wracking. But the idea here is that if there's one hauler, even if they're doing two different or three different pickups, it's not three or four other haulers. So it's still less vehicles. and that's the whole impact on the road they say one truck filled with garbage is equal to about a thousand cars on the road so that's part of the thing we're talking about you know with concord what's best for maintaining roads and that's kind of one of the things that you know has me thinking about that but that's a good thing to bring up yes sir is it on

Talk in? Okay, got it. Just want to give like an informational. Our son lives out west in a state capital. There, they have to have four bins and they pay for those bins. One for trash, one for glass and plastic, one for paper and cardboard, and one for lawn and other stuff. And they have to use those and they pay for those. If they mix it up and don't put the items in the proper containers, they actually are policed and they pay a fine, okay? And that's the way it is in a major capital. So the only thing I'm asking, because I get in these discussions with them out there, have you seen where the recycling goes? If it is glass and plastic, does it really go to a glass and plastic receivership? The paper, now since that issue with China where they stopped buying recyclable stuff from the United States, that all got jumbled up. So I'd like to kind of get an upstate on that, just out of interest.

Yeah, absolutely. So as of right now, we, Major Waste Disposal, we do not have a sorting or recycling facility. So we use one of our competitors. We go out to Oak Leaf Road and it's waste management. in oakwood village they i want to say 18 months ago put a hundred million dollars into their recycling facility um so that process truck drives all the way out to oakwood we dump They pick it up, they put it in a sorter and there's optical eyes and it's really cool and they'll give you tours if you want to do it. But it's really neat to see that whole facility is ran with six people. Everything's AI, everything's computer. But it does, and they have separate bays. The glass goes to one side, the ferrous metals go to the other, the cardboard goes over here, the paper goes over here, and they're actually in the process of trying to create a market for plastic bags. And that's one of the things that all of the recycling companies that we've ever used before don't put plastic bags in here it jams our equipment up it causes downtime it causes backlog but they the machines that they have there now they're they're trying to allow that to be included into the recycling program again because so many people have grown accustomed to putting it in a shopping bag or putting it in a blue kitchen bag that is a recycle safe Plastic so it does we take it there What happens to it after it hits their floor I You know I've seen the operation We're doing our part and making sure that the recycling stays recyclable But like I said, whatever happens to it once it hits their floor is on them at that point and

If you're going to add recycling and yard waste to the pickups, is that a single truck that does that, or is that separate trucks that pick that kind of stuff up?

So how we've been running some of these contracts, and it's working out very well from an efficiency standpoint, the driver goes out in the morning. He goes, and he has a dedicated route. He picks up so many stops of garbage. Typically done around 1130, they go to the landfill, they dump, they clean out their truck, they come back, they run the same exact route again, pick up your recycling. Being that there's noise ordinances in most townships and cities, and it's 7 o'clock in the morning, they come in at 5, they drive to Cleveland, dump off their recycling, and they're back in that township at 7 a.m. ready to begin working for the next day. So your recycle driver will also be your garbage driver. The only thing that is gonna be different is your yard waste driver. Your yard waste driver, he's his own, basically his own entity.

Yeah. You know, I would like to explore your one bag only option a little bit. I drop my recycling off at Blaise Nemeth. I don't have yard waste or junk. What I do is one bag maybe every two or three weeks in a can. And I'm paying 55 a quarter for that. Your one bag option, do you provide the bag or is it

does it go in a can or what could you elaborate that a little bit so what you would do in that case scenario is you would call the office you would put yourself on you know sign up for bag service and we could run it one of two ways and that's something that if this happens i'll have a conversation with the trustees So we offer two different things, a bag service and a tag service. The bag service is a physical roll of bags. We started a tag program in Willowick, Willoughby Hills, and Painesville City. So what that tag does is it's a sticker that allows you to put three 13 gallon garbage bags, kitchen bags, out at the curb. you can put them in your own can if you would like because when you call and you set yourself up for bag service or tag service that goes on our driver's route so when he pulls up to your house and he sees a can sitting out but he also knows that you have bag service he'll lift the lid at that point and pull the bags out. Because, I mean, out here, I live in Leroy. It's the same way. I'm currently hunting an active raccoon that gets into my garbage can every single night. You don't want to just set bags of garbage out in the open because it's going to be a mess the next day. So that's something that we allow you to do. If you want to put it in a can and put a bungee cord on it, then have at it.

And I would arrange that with you by telephone?

I'm sorry, the price on it is $28.10 for a roll of 10.

You provide those bags?

Yes, sir. Thank you. Yeah, so basically when you sign up for that service, it stays on that driver's route every week. And if you're out, he hits the green check mark on his computer. And if you're not, he hits a red X. And it's basically when you put it out.

What's that?

Hang on, I'll be with you in one second, I promise, go ahead.

One, right off the top, I'm not in favor of a single hauler. And the reason being, my personal circumstance, I have, I live on a private road. We have four houses on the whole road. It's 1,000 feet, I'm the back one, I'm all the way in the back. It's 1,000 feet out to Route 86. Once upon a time, the first five years that I lived here back here in Concord, I had Major as my hauler. And I asked them if they would drive back and pick up my trash at my house so I don't have to drag it a thousand feet out to the road. Rain, shine, snow, dark of night. And the girl on the phone looked at the map, Googled, said, yeah, I've got a huge area to turn around in. She said, yeah, that doesn't look like a problem. I'll talk to the boss. I'm sure it was someone other than you. Came back with a, no, we can't do it. All right, fine. So I... canceled my service and i picked up with somebody else who will drive back and pick up my trash i don't want to lose that one i'm two years older than i was when i got that deal and i've had a knee replaced since then i don't want to lose that but at the same time i don't have the option now to negotiate for my own personal circumstances i can't negotiate my own deal i don't like that Seeing how this is in the planning stages, I'm letting you know I don't like it.

And I think that was some of the concerns we had prior, people that needed special accommodations or were handicapped or couldn't come down a long drive just from the way that Concord's laid out. And I think we had some discussion about that as far as accommodating those people.

yes so and that's not you know that's not something that's not out of the cards um what me will come out assess the property just to make sure we had a similar situation in paynesville township Resident had a brand new asphalt driveway, wants drive-in service, and I was willing to accommodate as long as she signed a piece of paper just saying that I'm not responsible for your driveway because I'm putting a 28,000-pound truck on it. I don't want to have to buy a new asphalt driveway. So as long as, you know what I mean, there's that understanding. In the wintertime, as long as it's accessible to our trucks, then it's, you know, we service River Run North and River Run South. We back our truck all the way down the driveway off of the back end of Pine Creek. Crest, I do believe that's the road that it is. That's hilly and steep and turny and windy. Pine Hill.

Pine Hill.

You're talking about Pine Hill. Pine Hill, yeah, yes.

So then that's something that we do make accommodations for.

I got you, Rachel.

Yeah.

Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. So that, it should, generally, if it's not contracted, we generally charge $10 a month to drive in for a drive-in service. But being that you have other residents that are on that same private drive, it would be treated as a... Private roadway, so to speak. Obviously, we'll have everybody on that road at that point in time or that driveway at that point in time. So it's just making a right hand turn. Yes, yes.

Just so everyone could hear that, the concern from the resident was a potential increase of cost based on what we have up here on the monitor for circumstances where potentially a longer driveway or a handicapped individual who doesn't have the ability to get their garbage to the end of the road. And the answer obviously was if there's multiple people on that private road, it would likely fall into this situation. If it was a singular person on a long road, it may be more of a discussion, potentially up to $10 additional per quarter.

Go ahead.

What are your rules on switching between bag pickup and the regular service of trash, recycle, and yard waste?

I mean, you could switch whenever you want to.

Is it quarterly?

So when you buy the bags, and anybody on bag service, when they buy the bags, those bags are theirs and they use them how they see fit. The idea behind the bag service is for low volume producers. You know, we have quite a few people that might put one bag out every month. You know, if you see that the bag service isn't really working and it's costing you more and you want a can, just all you would do is call our office and put yourself on full service.

And I think that probably, and you correct me if I'm wrong, that probably falls under the same umbrella as those residents that potentially have homes that they're living in in Florida during the winter where they can turn that service off for a fixed period of time, whether it's a quarter or two quarters. Potentially you could do that as well if it's maybe a time of the year where you're potentially traveling or you have less trash. So potentially the option to toggle on and off service between quarters, much like some of the concerns of the residents who are traveling during the winter months.

Winter time I have less trash and I have more missed pickups. So my next question is how do you handle missed pickups? I only have like one to two bags a week in the winter time. Sometimes it's less, sometimes it's one bag a week and that's it. During the spring, summer, and fall, I'll have a little bit more between recycling and trash, and then yard waste. So that's why I asked about switching between the bag option to the regular service, because once wintertime hits, sometimes I can't get my toter down the driveway. I have to leave for work at midnight. I plow snow for the state, and it's really difficult for me, and sometimes it just doesn't happen. I'm a missed pickup person sometimes. If I can't wrestle two of them down the driveway, I live on a very steep hill near 608 curves and it just sucks. So what's your missed pickup policy?

So with the missed pickup policy, you would call us, let us know that, hey, my garbage didn't get serviced. We generally have an internal 48-hour rule. We don't let it, we obviously try to, if the truck's still in that area, we're gonna try to send them back that day just so that way it's not, an additional travel time for the next day. If it is late in the day, we will try to get you the next day, but if we're not able to get you the next day, it's definitely not going to go more than 48 hours.

Thank you. Just speaking from experience with Major, I have also forgotten a handful of times when we moved, I got my days confused. At least that's what I told my wife. And they came out the next day and they were very helpful and they were happy to do so and it was free of charge.

See the quarterly tote rate in addition your bill has a fuel and environmental surcharge That is not affected by this contract That's the all-in price Clarify that please

So the price that is above my head is with no fuel surcharge. That we are not allowed to charge a fuel surcharge on the contract.

Yeah, no, no, no.

Yes, yes, yes. And that's one of the, I guess, positives of having a single hauler or a contract.

Actually, I wanted to piggyback on that just a bit because I wanted to understand a little bit about the implications of piggybacking on Willow-Wick. Let's say that major decides that they need to enter into negotiations for, for example, to add a fuel surcharge because costs have increased. Uh, is Concord Township party to those discussions or is that a Willowick and we, uh, discussion and, and we just by piggybacking on it are subject to it? Or do we get a seat at the table on any negotiations in the changes or amendments to the contract?

I could take that. We are piggybacking on Willowick's contract. The only thing that we can discuss is if we decide to jump in is when we would commence. But as far as the terms of the contract, it's Willowick's contract. that we're jumping in on. We always have the option to opt out. So if Willowick takes this in a completely, if Mayor Vanney takes this in a completely different direction, and the Board of Trustees would evaluate what direction they went, and then we have the option to opt out, and then we can look at piggybacking on another community, we have the ability to go out for bid, which is probably the least favorable, to be quite honest.

Okay, so as I understand it, there'd be no environmental surcharge in addition to that. Is there a charge for the use of your totes? Because at one time, I think there was.

Yes, so the way that the rates are now, I think it was if you paid a dollar more per month, you paid a $55 delivery fee and it was $1 more per month to have a company-sponsored can, that wouldn't be, with the contract comes a can, per se. I'm sorry. No, there's no additional charges. So anytime a hauler goes in and gets a contract in a municipality, that initial tote delivery and the cans are all, it's kind of all a wash. It's included. Okay. Oh, I mean, if you want to. Yeah, if you have your own tote, yeah. Yeah, so if you want a second one of ours, I think it's $5 a month. But if you have your own tote, as long as it's household garbage, yeah, you're good. Yeah. If you want to put an addition, like your own additional tote.

Yeah, so it's like Andy said, the prices for all those different services that I know, if you want to add an additional tote of garbage, he said if you have that, you can add it. Any other questions? Okay.

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So we live, so I don't wanna yell because I'm loud as it is. We live in Concord, of course, but my husband works in a township, so we don't use recycling because he can take the recycling to his work for free. My problem is, A, living in a township, I don't want to be governed and told who I can choose and who I can't choose. And, B, I want to have options. I don't like that you're telling me I have to pay for recycling when I can do it somewhere for free. So for me, that brings my cost up. It's not bringing my cost down. So that's where I stand on that.

And we appreciate that. And we know, you know, we're looking at, again, input from everybody. We know that some people may, like one gentleman said, he may incur a cost increase. But I think the majority would see substantial savings. And again, it's, you know, we're not going to please everybody, but we're trying to do what's best for the community as a whole.

I'm paying less than this, and I'm paying $52 a quarter, and I don't pay for recycling because we have it for free. Yeah, we have the opponent. No. I'm confused on that part, but I'm still paying less, and I just feel like I'm getting more for what I have right now than what I would have if I go with this with no options, where I actually called a different company that put a flyer in my mailbox saying if I switched to them, they'd give me a lower price. Well, when I called my company, I said, hey, I'm going to switch. I found someone lower. They said, we'll lower your price. So why would I go with someone where I'm stuck at a price permanently, have to do certain things, or opt out and then don't have a choice at all when I can do my own shopping around? That's what I like about living in a township is I can shop around. I don't want someone telling me what I have to pay and when I have to pay it.

Okay, thanks for that comment.

Amy?

I just had a question. Would the bag option work for you? I mean, I'm just throwing that out there. Like, the option to just have a bag where you can use your own can, which would be 28, like, would that be another option that might be suitable or no?

We actually do use our can and fill our can sometimes. So having a bag option isn't great for us. I mean, once in a blue moon it would work. But most of the time, we can fill our can. You know, we do household remodeling. We can throw anything we want in it.

Okay.

Thank you.

How large is the toter size? Because I currently have a 96-gallon toter through Dumpster Bandit.

so the our toters i think on the lid it says 95 but it's like 95.6 gallons it's it's a standard 95 96 gallon cart and your recycle cart's 64 gallons okay my last question is the last comment on the board a resident can opt out

but cannot utilize a different company for trash pickup. Correct. So now I am bound that I have to do this where I feel I should be able to pick and choose the company I like.

Thank you. Okay, I think, okay, one more question. We're going to wind down here and then we will give you some alternatives as far as how you can reach us.

Yes, if you could just clarify the thing you said about a private road. If you have a condo association, you could opt out? That's true.

Yes, so with the condos, the condos are kind of their own entity. The reason being, from my understanding, is because the township does not take care of those roads for them.

Right, well, on our road, we have three homes that live on our road. Right. If we have a condo association, we have an HOA. Correct. So we have dumpster abandoned again. It's $72. They come down the street, pick it up. It's great. Right. So can we opt out and keep dumpster abandoned? Is that what y'all are saying or no?

You have to have a registered condo association. It's a nonprofit, 501-something. Sure. Sure.

Okay, I would just like to thank everybody for coming today. It's great to see so much community involvement. What we'd like to do, and like I said, This is great-spirited conversation for our community. What we'd like you to do, if you'd like to come up and take a business card for Mr. Rose, we are all, the township trustees are very accessible. We would appreciate a call or an email or a call to township hall to Mr. Rose, whether or not you support this or you don't. I will tell you... The feedback that we have got on this initiative and this new proposal on the piggyback contract has pretty much been overwhelming. There's been a lot of people that have called in support of it and not that many that weren't in support. But again, we want to get everybody's feedback before we make a decision. So we appreciate you coming here tonight. We thank you.

that just just to let everybody know that we we filmed this so it will be on our youtube channel probably tomorrow it'll be on our youtube channel at some point tomorrow so if you want to go back and re-watch it or you run into one of your neighbors and they say oh i wanted to go to that they can watch it and we will be up here on your way out if you'd like to talk to us feel free to come up we appreciate you being here thank you very much

We haven't even decided that yet. You're talking about the start date? Probably by December, but we haven't put it up for a vote or anything. We're just trying to get solicit community feedback first. Thanks for coming. We appreciate it.

Yeah, we came because we thought you were going to switch it.

Thank you.