Zoning Commission - Regular Meeting

Good evening. Um going to call to order the Concord Township Zoning Commission meeting for Tuesday, March the 3rd, 2026. Um let us stand and honor our country. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. Uh Heather, could we have roll call for the board, please? Mr. Teryako. Yes. Mr. Robert, yes. Mr. Schindler, yes. Mr. Eiffel,

here. Uh are we're going to skip our approval of minutes since we do not have minutes from our last meeting. Um and move right to public participation section. Sorry. Uh uh anybody wishing to speak from the public uh to the board uh at this time? the for the public hearing. There'll be a separate public Yes, ma'am. For the hearing.

Yes, ma'am. There being none, uh we'll move on. In the in the interest of uh time and since we do have a public hearing, we're going to entertain new business. So, we have a little little bit of change in order here. And so, the new business is next. And uh the board will recall will recall last month we approved the site plan review application. uh for UN was property owners university hospital. Tonight we have uh the amended design review application number 63 represented by uh Mike Leowski with Perspectus Architecture on behalf of the property owner University Hospitals is requesting design review approval for a canopy edition and pad for mobile MRI trailer for the property located at 7590 Auburn Road being current parcel number 08- A-019- D-00-045-0. Uh, we have a representative here this evening and you don't look like Mike.

Uh, please your name and address for the record, please. Uh, my name is Kevin Podzac. I'm represent Ohio Awning. We are the manufacturer of said Canopy. Okay.

And, uh, we are located at 577 Grant Avenue, Cleveland, Ohio. 44105. Um we have been tasked by uh University Hospitals to design and build and install the actual canopy portion of this project. Uh the canopy itself, as you probably saw last month, is rather large. It's uh 52 feet overall in length and uh as wide as um 20 ft going in the direction where where the trailer will meet up with the uh canopy. The goal of this is to um provide a warm and experience for a patient to come out and stay dry um underneath this canopy as they load onto the platform lift of the actual mobile trailer. Um the canopy and awning will consist of a gable section that comes out 30 ft from the building. It will attach to the building with uh what we call Z clips. The Z clips are will be lagged into the building with LDTs and um you will have um brackets approximately 4 ft apart on that section. The other sections will throughbolt with 5/16 bolts as it joins in the uh middle and and those will be roughly 2 ft apart on center and those

will support the connections. The actual uprightes will be um 3-in square aluminum and then we will have ladder posts uh at the section in the middle so that it um strengthens it for from a wind standpoint. The shed will then um pitch approximately to 14T2 um to clear the trailer as as needed um you know based on based on past experiences of building these. We have built several of these over the years. Um, this one has been engineered by a structural engineer as far as as far as the difference from last month. We we now have that completed and submitted. Um, it is designed for 30 lbs of snow per square foot, 90 mph winds, and um a live load of five pounds per square foot. on this. Um the material that we'll be using is a flame resistant acrylic coated polyester called Topcon FR. It meets um flame retardant requirements via the state. Um this typically can be anywhere from a 10 to 15 year lifespan as far as as far as uh this particular skin and this will be the primary color of the actual canopy and the sides. The clear vinyl windows will provide some natural light and there will be obviously heating and some other additional lights um from from the

contractor doing the buildout of the pad. So that'll be provided by Infinity Construction who's on site doing doing that part as well as the concrete. Uh the canopy will have two exit doors. One uh both both will be uh 4ft doors. They they will be steel commercial exterior grade doors that will be painted to match the color of the fabric which is a again a tan color. Um, I believe we picked out a Sherman Williams color called Ligonier and that will blend into the uh canopy so that when the canopy is in use, there will be two exit doors that they one one near the building and then one out front that will connect the sidewalk to the actual entrance there

uh to maintain pedestrian traffic there. Um the goal of this is certainly to make it as inconspicuous with the color uh with the building. Um it is a rather large structure. So we understand that you know they're it is going to be um there for you know it's meant to be permanent as far as far as we know. Um in in some cases we have removed them based on um you know improvements in technology down the road but this this is meant to be up for multiple covers as as as we understand from uh

um the frame is all aluminum. It'll be mill finish. Uh the um anchors will be LDTS with a 3-in embedment into the concrete, which is going to be a 6- in pad where where the posts go. With that, I guess I'd open up any questions you guys may have. Sure. Thank Thank you for There's a significant amount of detail here. Thank you. Yeah, we apologize. I mean, we didn't realize that this was going to be needed for design review at the time and we were rushing to get it submitted for

that meeting and our engineer was certainly thorough um as as we expect him to be and and and of course we want to build this as safely as possible and strong strongly as possible. Sure. Sure. You get a little snow out here. No apologies necessary I think. Uh so you mentioned Infinity on site. Does Ohio awning do the installation? I mean you're back. We we will do the whole installation of the canopy itself. They will do all electrical mechanical stuff. Yeah. Um board I had uh gentlemen who have had questions last month. If you do uh please uh bring them forth.

How do you attach the canopy to the frame? Um it's going to be typically um mounted with a series of moldings and actual um selftapping screws to the frame. So the cover will be hemmed and in accordance with you know three thicknesses probably as as it's hemmed to the to the frame and it's attached with selftapping screws across the span about approximately n 8 to 10 inches apart on the bottom of the balance there. And you have these in some other in installations.

Yes. I mean, we've done several through the clinic. I mean, and Nuh and Metro um you know, they're all different because every every door and entrance is a different distance from the building. We did one similar about I don't know 18 years ago that was about this size uh for a Cleveland Clinic. And the only reason that it didn't stay up was they didn't use it anymore. So, so as far as far as longevity, um, we have typically would would replace a cover, like I said, about 10 to 15 years. So, the frame would be recoverable at that point with, you know, whatever the best fabric is at at that time. Um, we like this fabric because it's not super heavy. There will be some uh attention to the cover from an uplift standpoint. We will have um some Velcro straps that will be screwed onto the frame typically to keep the uplift minimized also so it doesn't you know take off on us. But it'll be anchored several several spots on the on the actual concrete. And the side panels, although they're permanent, they could be removed is if weather was the they're individual so that if we ever have to replace a window, which is like the weakest link on these, we can replace one panel at a time and not inconvenience, you know, from a weather standpoint, the customer.

Good. Great. Anything? So, the canopy is just there to help people get in and out from the building to the trailer. There won't be anything stored in there. No, this is ambulatory peak patients, so they have to be able to walk typically on on something like this. So, that they will need to need it to be clear of of anything, you know, on on a the basis of when when the trailer is there. So it it there will be no um plans because it's also an entrance for for staff I believe. So yeah,

it'll be maintain that clearance. Yeah. Throughout the week. Okay. Ron, any questions? No sir. He answered the questions as I already had them written down as you discussed. So I'm good. Very good. Very good. There's nothing else here that the board has. Um, uh, thank you for the presentation. Thank you for the detail. Thank you for providing for sure all of this. This is

very important. Um, so I will, uh, at this point entertain a motion uh to approve uh, the design review application number 63. I so move that we approve the revised application number 63 for perspectus architecture for the mobile trailer pad and accessories. Have a motion to approve. Do we have a second? I second. We have a We have a motion and a second. Uh roll call vote, please. Mr. Teryako. Yes. Mr. Reert. Yes. Mr. Schindler. Yes.

Mr. Eelles. Yes. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Appreciate it. You'll be seeing soon. Okay.

As far as I know, I mean, can we can we Oh, sorry. Sorry. I just was trying to find out. I don't know. I don't I don't actually. Thank you. All right. Um uh next on our agenda is the public hearing. The first thing I need to do is entertain a motion to recess our regular meeting and move into the public hearing. Please. So move motion to recess the regular meeting. Second. And we have a second. Uh okay. Roll call. Do I need a roll call? You do not have to. We roll call, but yeah, we're good. Still should take a vote. Correct.

Yeah. Yeah. All in favor say I. I.

None opposed. Thank you. Uh uh so let me uh call to order the public hearing u for the following proposed zoning text amendments. Amendment number one revise section 30 XXX sign regulations including updating purpose statements definitions temporary and permanent sign allowances prohibited signs design and illumination criteria administrative procedures adding new rules for flag poles and a severability and substitution clause. Uh, amendment number two, revise section 5.02, uh, parenthesis A, parentheses 776, to amend the definition of flag. Amendment number three, revise section 11.01 H to adjust the cross reference to section 30.15 in regards to temporary and permanent signs. Amendment number four, revise section 15.02A, 2A to add flag poles to the list of accessory uses and to and to delete 15.03H flag poles relocate garage sale regulations to new section 15.03 M. Amendment number five revise section 22.03 table of uses to add flag poles. Revise section 22.07 to add new section E flag poles. Amendment number six, revise appendix one, zoning fees scheduled to add fees for solar energy systems and electric vehicle charging stations and revise fees for signed permit applications. Those are the six amendments we have before us uh in the public in our public

hearing. Um, this public hearing was advertised in the News Herald and on the township website on February 13th, 2026 and has been available for public examination and review at Conquer Township Hall and on the township website for at least 10 days before today. Um before we move to uh public comments, uh we did receive um and what we will do is consider the recommendations from the Lake County Planning Commission. Um it's a letter dated February the 25th, 2026 from the Lake County Planning Commission regarding these text amendments. Um for uh procedurally I'm not going to read the the letter uh uh verbatim into the record. Uh but I want we will discuss each of these recommendations here and uh for and use for discussion. There'll be no motion uh or move move to approve until we recess from the public hearing. But the will this is for discussion purposes only. Um, so this uh be calling out Heather and the board as we go through this. So if you if I draw your attention to the letter of February 25th um uh the first one um I'll just overview or comment that on number five uh it's reviewing the definitions in 30.02 2 number five, the banner sign. Um, and from my read, it's a simple, uh, I would say it's fairly simple addition indicating that, um, screws and nails are also means of attachment for a banner sign. Um, there any comments from the board or from Heather on that? U, I have no objection.

Anything, Heather? Um, so I'm I took a look at all of the recommendations in the letter spec specific to the definitions. Um, I guess just this first and these all have to do with amendment number one which are specific to section 30. Um, I felt like, you know, after reviewing everything that we had worked on over the last several months and taking a look at um, what planning commission has recommended, I didn't feel like we needed to add in screws and nails on this. as you know, we do kind of cover that under a similar method um which is stated right after cord rope and cable. So I I didn't I mean I Good point. It didn't okay

stand out to me as something significant that we need to to do. Um in fact I didn't I was not really in agreement with any of the recommendations regarding the definition changes. Um so I think what we have is is is good. Okay. Um I for me I I guess I understand what you said about banner signs but uh perhaps we can take them one by one. Uh there's not that many. Okay.

Here. So on on number 12 uh again this is under the definitions of a flag. Um this is it relates to an insertion of a group cause event activity or a public or private sports team. I didn't object to that, but is it is it just overdone, Heather, or is what Well, so I think by adding in what they're suggesting, we're completely changing the definition. So the way that we have the definition of flag, we're saying um that it's for non-commercial copy.

Um so non-commercial copy, which and then we give an example of, you know, a government or political subdivision. And I think this, you know, if you look at what they're saying with number 13, you know, then we have flag sign, right? So we have flag, which is non-commercial copy, and then we have flag sign, which we're prohibiting later on in the zoning resolution, you know, which flag sign is basically just a temporary sign that flutters that that um may have a commercial message, right? We don't define that or may not have a commercial message. The point was to make a distinction between um a flag and a flag sign.

Good points for me. Thank you, Heather. Um uh the the temporary sign I Yeah, number 32 I thought was um not necessary. Um indicating the portability, striking the word portable. Um I didn't think that was necessary either. I assume you agree. to not necessary to remove it. Correct. Right. I think I think we should keep it. Right. Correct. Yes. Yeah. It's the one thing that kind of makes it a distinction between, you know, Yes. a permanent sign as well. Yes.

Um so that those are related to the definition section. Um given Heather's comments, uh any of the board have any comments or questions related to that? Not here, Mr. Chair. No, I thought a lot of this stuff was redundant for one thing. And if it wasn't, it was already covered in our current zoning as far as I was concerned. So, okay. I concur. No, no changes. Thank you. Thank you. And thank you, Evan. Okay. Sure.

Um 30.04 uh number A1. Um, so I just put a question mark there because I didn't quite understand what the recommendation is. What do you Yeah, I think they were just asking um now if you recall 30.04 is regarding permanent signs, correct? And A1 was for the residential lots. So, they're questioning is a total of six square feet distributed between three different signs enough permanent signage for a residential lot?

And I know we've talked about that. We do. Well, then that's currently what we have in the resolution, right? We have six right now. We have the one up to three and then two smaller ones, one and a half square feet each. The three square foot sign would require a permanent. Again, these are permanent signs. um while the other two would would not. Um and they're pointing out that some some folks have larger like kind of antique signs that they might have hanging on a barn in their yard. I think that's what they're referring to here, you know, and that those would be considered signage and you know, likely, I guess, is what he's suggesting that those would be over the six square feet,

right? Any comments from the board? I see no reason to change what we have. No.

Very good. Uh 30.07 C uh is let me go to 307. 3007 is changeable copy signs. And under C it's uh my read is they just want to change the word site to premise. Um and uh uh strike the word commercial. Um comments Heather on that one. I was fine with what we had. I I I concur as like again I concur.

Me too. Thank you. Thank you. Um 30 uh 08k. Um the section here they're suggesting that we add um a time frame in which a banner should be replaced or removed if it gets damaged. comment on that. He either is this one of those we have general maintenance standards for all signs in 30.14b3 that talks about like keeping it in a good

it doesn't specify a time frame but it basically says that the sign has to be um in good shape obviously I'm parap seems like the addition of that is seems ownorous to even neat orderly okay any sorry any we're in agreement I think Okay. Um, oh, 3.10 flag poles.

Um, so we got a we had good amount of discussion about that. Uh, uh, uh, so their recommendations here are about what average flag poles are 20 to 25 ft and height. Staff would support only one flag pole. You should put you should not put a limit on the number of flag poles below 25 ft. It is not uncommon for building to have two or three flag pools. Yeah. I thought that's just what we were trying to get away from. I think so. Heather there any I mean I know we talked about this a few times. We did. I thought what we had was pretty good and you know we do have the allowance if there's more than 150 ft of frontage on the lot that they could have another flag

pole. Flag pole. Um, and then I guess if there's special circumstances, you know, there there is Well, if there were special circumstances, this could be taken uh to the board, right? ZBA. Yeah. For their consideration. Yeah. Myself, I don't think it would be an issue, but if it was, they can take it PCA. Mhm. In my opinion. No objection. Good. I'm good with that as well.

Thank you again, Heather. And and the last was a suggestion that indicating under the signs that are exempt that the term appropriate time of year is a violation of the first amendment. Should I ask the lawyer in the room? I really have no comment on that. I don't know. That's right. I mean, I listen, these are the zoning or the planning commission's, you know, recommendations. The township does not have to,

you know, follow them. I don't know that that is a um I don't that might be an interpretation um from somebody, but I do not think that that is the intent um from our amendments. Plus with our purpose statements that we are, you know, specifically adding here, um we are not trying to infringe upon anyone's constitutional rights and any anything that perhaps could be interpreted that way. We will probably, you know, heir on the side of um allowing allowing. Thank you, Brady. You're welcome.

Okay. Um, if the board is in concurrence, uh, I guess we thank the planning commission for the comments, but, um, um, I don't I don't hear any of us looking to make any revisions as a accepting any of the recommendations for for our uh, sign rags. Am I correct on that? For me, you're correct.

Very good. Very good. U, thank you and thank you, Heather, for coming reviewing on that. appreciate it. Um, so now we'll open uh open up this hearing to public comments. Um, anyone is here uh to come and speak. Uh, please identify yourself by stating your name and address. Um, uh, we'll we'll hear from you. Please, that's you. Please. What do we do? There used to be this stand I don't want to hold it around.

We'll do our accommodation. Accommodation. Is that okay? Yes. Okay. You can still face them, right? Shouldn't be a problem. Thank you. Hello everyone. I'm Vanessa Pessik, 11705 Cali Court, Concord, Ohio 44077.

Um, and I wanted to uh thank you for your commitment in reviewing the zoning texts to make sure that they're accurate and consistent. I appreciate uh all your work with that. I have several topics that I'd like to cover regarding the proposed signed zoning text in this public hearing. First and foremost is the right to free speech, especially political speech enshrined in the constitution. Um the proposed sign language zoning text conflicts with the binding federal court order that this township signed regarding political free speech. Adopting the zoning text would expose the township to contempt of court and litigation costs. The case is Vanessa Pes and Susan Hannah versus Concord Township, Ohio, United States District Court for the Northern District of Ohio. Case number 1 col04 CV2124. The federal court order in part, I'll just read the pertinent part, states, "The defendants agree and will be permanently enjoined in the future from passing or enforcing any resolution or instituting any policy or regulations with respect to political signs that don't any of the following. Require a permit or proof of a bond. uh impose a durational limit on the posting of political signs, limit the number of political signs that they can po property owner can post on the property and limit the total number of political signs a property owner may post. So several of the sections in 30.9 under temporary uh signs sections that um as well as maybe under

flag signs I'm not sure about that didn't read that section carefully uh have are problematic under 30.9g it says signs during elections and it restricts timing 30 days prior to the day absentee ballots are available and three days following a the number of signs are permitted in a lot. So that's imposing a time restriction that the uh court order does not permit. And um then if we took that section away also under regular temporary signs, section C2, temporary signs shall be displayed for no more than four times per year, not to exceed 30 days. And so again, we have a a time limit for for that number. So, as a reminder, violating a federal court order can constitute contempt of court. It reopens a township to the same litigation they've already lost and settled, and legal fees and damages would fall on taxpayers. And so, you don't need to take my word for it. Your own attorney should be asked in writing to explain how this proposed language is consistent with case 1 col04 CV 2124 that I'd already forwarded to the township several weeks ago. Um, and I get it. I understand that it's sometimes really frustrating to see signs in yards long after an election and it may not look pretty and and and everything or may not be the candidate that you wanted or whatever. And I

understand that. Um, but trying to regulate these political messages is really a is is a big problem and we really need to follow the constitution and protect political free speech. And so I would ask that you um postpone this hearing or con I guess you call it continuence so that you can look fully and carefully at all sections of the text um before before you pass it along. I would also like separately from the political free speech to just touch on a couple of other parts of the text and I just have some questions for you and if you can answer them for me I really appreciate it. We don't usually do the back and forth so I'll just I'll list them. There aren't too many and then you can um go ahead and and do them. So the first is uh under 30.9 temporary signs each resident can have one or more signs um you know that are only of a certain size or combination of sign and that the temporary signs will be displayed no more than four times a year for a period of 30 days. And so does that mean that I can't put up a house for sale sign more than 30 days is the first question and only four times. And the second is and I'm just hypotheticals but just it kind of helps me to give the hypothetical. Uh if my son plays football and I want to put up go Riverside football during the duration of the football season, which is about 3 months, the current

section doesn't allow me to do that.

And then then also if my daughter played softball in the spring, I've used up two or three of those 30-day increments and I only have four total. then can I not put up the same number in the spring for go Riverside softball? And then on top of that, if I wanted to post another sign, be it a political sign or be it a yard sale sign or a we love the Concord parade sign, if I've already used up my four signs, can I not add another sign for another kind? And then within that, it talks about regulating signs in windows, which to me kind of felt a little intrusive in that you're regulating the inside of my house. And you know, if my son loves Ohio State Buckeyes, can I have Buckeye curtains that show through the window or a political message of curtains or a flag that's a curtain or I mean it just it seemed to bring up some questions. So, so those were the kinds of questions that that I had for that section.

Mhm.

Okay, moving on to section 30.02 O2 under definitions that the temporary sign um purpose of being displayed only temporarily and permanent signs manner suitable continuous exposure to the elements without deterioration and need to be permanently attached. Um what do I do if I have beware of dog sign? Does it have to be weatherproofed and permanently put into a foundation on the ground or in the stone or if I have a no soliciting I couldn't put that in the window or beware the dog in the window cuz then it's a temporary sign. I'd have to take it out every 30 days but in fact for 30 days. So, some kind kind of warning signs and and things like that. So, um, I I had those kinds of questions because I don't think you intend to make it so that I have to go spend money to get a special metal beware of dog sign and find a way to permanently attach it to the outside of my house or a pole or build a little masonary thing at the front of my driveway. I'm sure that's not your intent. So, how do you figure that? How do we figure that kind of a situation? Um 30.12 under prohibited signs. I didn't understand this. If uh signs with wheels or signs on vehicles or trailers placed for attention getting identification or advertising purposes

would be considered prohibited. Does that mean that I couldn't have a cargo van with the ad of my business on the side parked in my driveway every night? How about an electric um a magnetic uh sign for a candidate from you know say August through this November election for a candidate you know h how does that work with the prohibition of signs like that that seems to be political free speech and so there needs to be some uh etched out for political signs on cars or anything like that, but additionally businesses that have a logo or or whatever. I didn't quite understand why you would prohibit a sign on a vehicle. And I think the last one I have is 30.14 construction and maintenance standards. Okay. Each sign shall contain the current name, address, and telephone number of the firm or person responsible for erecting the sign. Um, and it can be small. And I wasn't sure if is that also for a political sign because the Ohio Vice Code section 3517.20 states paid for by name of the entity you know friends of Vanessa or whatever

uh is sufficient. You don't have to add additional information. So name, address, and telephone number for political signs is the question. Um, since Ohio Vice Code doesn't include that, but also for all signs. Go Riverside Football. Do I need my name, address, and signature or or am I missing something on on some of these? And it could very well be. I wasn't privy to all your discussions. So, um, but those are questions that I had. So, to sum up,

I don't believe that you should be passing the zone zoning ordinance that contradicts the federal court order regarding political science here in Concord. you're already bound um by the by by the law that Concord signed and it would just create a liability and a tax burden and it's really in regards to 30.09 temporary signs, but it might also be flags and other things. I didn't read through uh some of that other stuff mainly. I was just read through the 30 section and then if you could provide answers to those other questions that I have because I do like to understand those sections a little bit better. That's it. If I know okay

I'm sorry there I try to read these things as carefully as possible. Oh, you did. I I and I'm think it's important. Thank you for your Thank you for your you're coming here and bringing them to our attention. No problem. If you have any questions, I'm happy to answer.

Yeah, I mean I'll I'll begin. First of all, u just this date was made aware of that consent judgment entry. Uh and the reason I say that is this board uh went to great extent to not even mention political science and and we went to a great deal of effort and advised by legal counsel and our knowledge of what the first amendment is which is stated in the in the regulation. So we we took that seriously. Uh so you're raising a question about first of all the first one related to the duration signs during elections.

That's your first Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Signs during elections are basically political signs can be. We didn't we didn't there's no statement to that effect. That's okay. and and and there is no restriction during that time period. So I that one I have to defer to our legal counsel to comment. We we were comfortable with it. We spent a lot of time on this but whether that is still a concern legally uh I guess we need some advice. Sure. Can you comment on that?

Sure. So um I did review the consent judgment entry that um was entered into between the township and yourself. Um the first thing is is there is no definition in the sign regulations or at least in these proposed amendments as to a political sign. Um we are not categorizing any sign as political sign. We are not um we also have a purpose statement that anything that could be construed um as um you know everything is supposed to be interpreted in a cont contentneutral manner um accepting some of these legally recognized exceptions but with respect to what the township agreed that it cannot do going forward unless there's a case law in the six um circuit or um the United States Supreme Court but otherwise is they cannot require a permit or posting of a bond with respect to any political sign. These regulations do not do that. Um with respect to imposing any durational limit on the posting of political signs on private property, these regulations do not do that. Um as with respect to limiting the number of political signs a property owner may post on his or her property for a particular candidate issue or cause, the proposed amendments do not do that. And with respect to limiting the total number of political signs a property owner may post on his or her property, again these proposed amendments do not do that. They expressly do not do that. Um I think what the intent behind 30 the signs during elections was to recognize the trend and um reality of the increase of signs in general during this time period. um and to just regulate the actual um and the the purpose here was to make sure that we were trying to um avoid clutter,

reduce confusion um try to reduce distraction with respect to signs. But during this time period there is a trend generally speaking to have more signs um out and so that I think is what really the the intent was behind signs during elections. Now again they're not there is no distinction between what kind of signs um as far as political signs these are tempor I mean I suppose a political sign could be considered a temporary sign but with respect to the uh purpose that we are adding to these proposed amendments or is one of the amendments which is to make sure that everything is interpreted in a contract neutral manner. Um I think these regulations or these proposed amendments do not violate the consent judgment entry or anyone's right to free speech because of the fact that they are going to be and we have stated that they are going to be interpreted in a contentneutral manner um with reasonable restrictions such as how big the sign is I suppose but we've even talked I think internally about exactly how that would be enforced quite frankly from our zoning department. It's very hard to enforce um a lot of these signs, not all, but a lot of the signs that we talk about during elections, not necessarily political signs, but um you know, they don't they're they might be there offending somebody um but then the next day they are gone or within a certain amount of time by the time we actually even get to inspect and try to enforce they're gone. So we have to start the time period again. Um so I think the whole point here was again trying to be as contentneutral as possible but also still understanding that real government interests exist with respect to reducing confusion and distractions and clutter and quite frankly trying to keep the

aesthetics of of the township where they should be. um you know if the zoning commission feels that they need more time certainly we can continue or postpone um but again I think a lot of time and effort has been gone you know going through these in addition there was a lot of um consideration of what other communities have in place these are very similar to that um but um that's kind of where we stand right now I mean a lot of again the intent is to be content neutral

thank you for explaining that Um obviously we concur with that. We we did discuss exactly that the confusion, the distraction, the aesthetics, but it was no limitation at all as we see it. So, if I have a sign that's a normal, you would define it as a temporary sign and it says elect a candidate and I put it in my yard now and I keep it there continuously for a whole year. Would Heather knock on my door and tell me to take it down?

Well, yes. M no I don't think SHE WOULD. SHE WOULD. PERFECT. That is exactly what I'm saying. She wouldn't because we just discussed how number one how it is very hard. You said a whole year. I'm sorry.

Right. Right. I mean there is no we cannot enforce and tell you to take down a sign that is a political sign even if it actually meets the temporary sign definition. But doesn't that create additional confusion for everybody who uh is working on a campaign to look through the zoning text and see signs during election and all the rest and and say, "Oh, I can only put this up 60 days before the election." I mean, is that also a quiet intent of this is to restrict, as you said, making sure that people that you're reducing as much clutter as possible so that you reduce the time frame that people think they can put up political signs when in fact they can put up political signs all year round.

And that's correct. They can put up political signs all year round. Um, and I'm sorry, I didn't mean to jump into your No, no, you're right. But yeah, but And so I actually think person working on a campaign or someone who's actually very familiar with this knows that there are quite frankly no regulations on political science. So they are not enforceable and that is what we were trying to do by taking away any definition of political sign right

and any real regulation or definition if you will as to political sign and that is why we also added that purpose that again these are going to be interpreted at all times as contentneutral and so that they do not abridge anyone's right to free speech. But on the other side, there is still that interest in trying to regulate um and reduce clutter and confusion and distraction with respect to science um that again might not be political. So, right, but

we're trying to balance that interest. Why wouldn't you put in a definition then of political signs and say that this in no this these regulations just what you have in place right now um based on the court order you put in there are no regulations time limits size number whatever is in there's a paragraph in there right now that would state that so that people would know that was a courtordered requirement to put in that definition because you previously there was a definition just like there is it now under the signs during election which is code for political signs but not but it is because it talks about the election and so forth but I mean it would it would really make people understand that political signs are different and it's really important important for people to understand that they have a right to free political speech at all times. And you say contentneutral, but that means that somebody has to verify it to be contentneutral. If there is a political sign that's not mentioned in the zoning text and all signs are contentneutral, then Heather needs to look at every sign. And then in the section where you say every sign has to have an a name and an address and a telephone number. Again, that is not true for political signs. So that becomes a a problem. So I I really think you need to carve out that political sign to make political sign language to explain to the public

what the fact that you seriously take this uh into account for your public public speech.

Uh I appreciate those comments. Absolutely I do. Um I think we are of the belief that that the purposes as bridey stated h took care of that without without speaking to or defining political science as you suggest we're silent to it. We don't say it but age co age h is the purpose of of the regulation. uh uh you're suggesting that we we have to go further and define something that we're silent to because we're already accepting that. I mean, if if there's a question,

well, you're inferring by saying signs during signs during elections is something that people would consider political signs. Signs during election. Hm. What kind of sign happens around elections? And then you're talking about signs during elections have a a defined time,

right? So you're saying that signs during elections, so my go Riverside football sign can be there 60 days before the election and 5 days afterward. But really separately it can only be there for 30 days and I have to take it away four times a year. So is it four times a year for 30 days plus the special election sign time or does that get combined? And why are there two sections right around elections? Why wouldn't we also have if we're talking about clutter and things? Why not around the winter holiday season? Shouldn't we reduce signs around that time because there's a whole lot of clutter going on then?

Any comments or I'm I'm at a loss to tell you the truth. I was comfortable. There's one one word you can use excluded.

I'm sorry. around the definition of pertaining to a certain topic, you can always say excluded and that takes care of that. I know it sounds simple, but it's a simple thing. sitting there trying to explain. You can go on forever, paragraph after paragraph about trying to slowly nitpick every little thing that we put in our regulations and leave it all up for interpretation. This document would be nothing. So if we're talking about a certain thing be it election sign excluding bingo one word you don't have to worry about it and legal council says right now that they don't enforce it what's being done already why are we making such a big issue of it right Yeah,

good point. I any comments? No comments specifically on this one. Um, I'm still thinking. Yeah, that's fine. Uh, at this point I want to go I think I want to kind of understand each of these again just so that we're aware of it uh or a little bit more informed of your questions and comments. I'm going to try to take some notes here as you spoke. No, I'm happy to

and but so 309g um I don't expect that we the board can I don't expect that we take action on on these. We're in the public hearing. I just want to hear them more clearly and understand them more clearly. Um the second item second area that you So did you want to 30.9 G and C did you understand those the questions that I had

there uh G we just spoke to C yes overlap yes I understand any questions you understand the C section which you raised Right. relative to the temporary signs u not four times a year not to exceed 30 days 30 days right is that so there examples you brought up for sale signs garage sale go riverside etc etc which I recall somebody saying go riverside we spoke exactly to that

during deliberations on this I remember those okay that's the 309C uh Miss Pasc, the next one was

um the definitions 30.02 on um we had temporary signs and permanent signs, permanent number 24 and temporary number 32. And then I questioned things like beware of dog or no soliciting or other signs that you'd expect to be there. More like a permanent sign but not necessarily spending money on, you know, having to get a metal sign that would be permanently outside. But if I just printed it out and put it in my window, beware of dog, then it would be a temporary sign and then I'd have to keep taking it down.

So, can the board comment on because this is these are definitions. I I'm it's still not clear to me. This is a definition. We're just defining it. I Are you objecting to the definition? That's my That's where my question is. I don't quite understand what you're ah So, I guess it's a definition.

No. Right. So, um, when you only have two buckets like that and they're so defined, where does the beware of dog sign fall in that is and it's because I would I would print it out and put it in my window right near the door so somebody wouldn't, you know, or no soliciting. I wouldn't spend money and buy a metal one that would be able to go outside in the as a permanent sign because it has to be suitable for continuous exposure to the elements without deterioration.

Okay. So to your example then it's not a permanent sign, right? It's in the window, right? Okay. So again, what so what's what's the question then? These are definitions. So that's it's defined I I believe I'm not the inspector, but it sounds like it's a temporary sign.

But that kind of a sign um goes even further than go Riverside football. That's a sign that I as a homeowner want to uh continuously display all year round. I have a dog all year round. I want to warn people that I have a dog all year round. It can't be a temporary sign. But so then I say, okay, it can't be a temporary sign. I have to make it a permanent sign. Then I have to make sure that it's constructed, operated, and maintained in a manner suitable for continuous exposure to the elements without deterioration. So, I couldn't even print it and laminate it because water would still seep in. I have to go and get it made out of wood or metal or something and then and permanently attach it to the structure or a foundation in the ground. And is that the intent? It doesn't seem to me that would be the intent for you to put something ownorous like that on homeowners where they just want to warn people about a dog or they want to say no solicitation or no trespassing or any other thing.

Let me just we're going to take this under consideration. This pass what what I'm hearing what I'm thinking is we're we're I differ from you. So it's it's just a definition. Um If you ask me, again, I'm not judge or jury. If you ask me by putting the window sign, it is not exposed. The it is it is not being deteriorated. It's in your window. So again, that's my But but the temporary I have to take it off. I don't want to debate I don't want to debate. I know. But you do understand though that you can't have it in your window more than 30 days. You must take it out of your window after 30 days and kennel your dog for 30 days

if it's a temporary sign. Correct. if it's a temporary sign. Again, let's just move on. What was the other? Okay. Um, prohibited signs, signs with wheels or signs on vehicles or trailers placed for attention getting. Oh, identification, right? Or advertising advertising purposes. Maybe maybe you mean like long-term parking like or you know or

you know you have a trailer that you leave there for 6 months just for an ad maybe. I don't I don't know what the intent was. All it just kind of didn't make sense. I thought if I have a truck with gore jank heating and cooling. Mhm. Okay. And then we just already talked about uh the name, address, and telephone number. Oh, on the political signs. That's uh what one is that? 30.14. 30.14 B4

B4 Yeah, sounds like you're playing bingo. B4 name and address.

Okay. Um, questions, any questions, comments from the board? Well, Miss Pessix raised one, two, three, four, five questions, comments on on on our regulation. Anything? We're still in public hearings, right? And right now, I don't know if we're going to keep discussing it all night. I think what we should do is we're we're get receiving public comment. We're in public public. Just wondering if there's any comment before we close the public hearing or first of all let me ask Miss Do you have anything else to comment on? No, I don't. We got to make sure. Right.

Thank you. Okay. Well, we don't have to close the public hearing. We can recess the public hearing and continue this on because once we close the public hearing, we have to make a decision on all this stuff. Are you ready? I'm not ready to make a decision because I think we have to talk about it now. Can I ask Randy is that? Well, I think that you would have we have to continue. Yeah, I think if you wanted to continue consideration, I think you would want to continue the public hearing. Otherwise, yeah, there is a time frame as far as correct when things have to move. Yep. We've been through this a lot, Frank. Right. Oh, yes.

Yeah. Um, what are the wishes of the board? I I'm open for continuence, but same way. Yeah. Okay. Yes. Yeah. Okay. Um, can I get a motion for continuence of our public hearing uh of this date, March 3rd? Yes. Go ahead. Is that motion fine? Um, do you want to set it for when you would continue it? Would it be at the next Oh, meeting of the zoning commission or is it going to be a special meeting of the zoning commission? Um, I'd hesitate to tie in a date since we're still

want to take these under consideration, right? Um, as a board, Sure. How can we table it indefinitely or have to set I would think that you'd want to at least include it at your next hearing at least on the agenda. Um, if you're not ready to move forward on that day, then I mean I guess you could continue continuing it as well. We've done that before. You can keep recessing until we finally come to a decision to close the meeting. I don't know, Heather, have you had this experience before where we've continued the public hearing? We've always continued it to the next month and set the date and time. Yeah. And that the next

Yes. hearing, you know, um you guys can have an additional discussion if there's changes that you want to incorporate into it. Okay. Okay. So, just like you table that one that's for old business that stays on the agenda as tabled tabled. Okay. So, board I will entertain a motion to continue this public hearing uh until our next meeting in April at 7 p.m. April 7th. April 7th. 7 p.m. Do I have a motion for that? Mr. Chair, I make a motion to continue the public hearing

till April 7th, 700 p.m. to continue our conversation. Thank you. I have a motion and second. Mr. Chairman, I second it. Motion and a second to continue the public hearing till uh Tuesday, April the 7th at 7 p.m. All in favor signify by I. I I none opposed. Thank you. Thank you very much for your full discussion and attention to this. I really appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you.

Let's see. I need motion to reopen everything to the public. Yep. Regular meeting. Uh I will entertain a motion to uh uh reopen our regular meeting of uh March the 3. So chair, I make a motion to reopen our zoning commission meeting for March 3rd. Second. Motion to second. All in favor signify. I I

I not opposed. Um, all right. We're back into our regular meeting and we can uh discuss the amendments uh further. Um, I'll I'll just open it to the to the floor. Uh, before I do, um, I might can we I mean, you certainly you can, but again, there's not going to be any recommendation made correct to the trustees. You cannot vote. So, correct. I was just thinking in the interest of time, if we're going to a public hearing next month, we still need time to discuss the

amendment. I h how do we do that? If if a public hearing is set for April, right? I mean, I would probably just wait until the public hearing to actually discuss I mean, you certainly can talk. It's on the agenda. Um you can discuss the amendments and but there's there cannot be any recommendation tonight. No, it wasn't going to Yeah, that was Yeah. Yep. Yeah. Um my my concern is if if the board felt we needed to make some revisions yet we're we got to go to a public hearing next month. That's what I'm I see. I'd like to discuss it. Sure.

Yeah. Discuss. But that's it. Well, we have in the past since I've been on this board action many years, we have called for special sessions, you know, where we can meet a work session where we can just meet and discuss this. Correct. Um, yes, you can. Again, it would not be it doesn't you're right. It's just us. Yeah, just the board. Yeah. And it doesn't have to be, you know, it could be between now and April, our next meeting, we can discuss this if we want to. While I agree with that, we have nothing else on the agenda. I'd like to discuss the amendments. What? Some comments, just some thoughts.

That's great. Just to get it out if there are any. Okay. Well, let's go one by one. One by one. 309 G. Okay. 30 point what?

309 30.09 G. Um my feeling is that we have discussed this, we deliberated, we had u strong recommendations from our legal counsel. We have asserted the purpose uh and and um um we've been advised that we're not in conflict with the consent judgment entry that was township entered into. It's hard for me to not go by that. Well, I think gee, the way it's been written, in my interpretation, and my feeling, I believe we've addressed that. I can't see that we've taken anybody's freedom of speech away from this particular issue on G. You know,

I'm not telling somebody what they can put out there on their sign or not put out there on their side. So, I don't believe we violated anyone's freedom of speech. Now, that's me. The way I interpret it, the way I believe we've worked on it and addressed it over the months. So, that's me. Okay. Thanks, Brian. You're welcome. And I know, so speaking for me, um, we spoke about this a lot. Yes, we did. A lot. A lot.

Right. And then we put it down for a little bit and then we come back to it. We put it down and we two meetings ago we read this over and over and over again wanted to make sure there was no inference there was no nothing in there and even when we spoke about it we even refrain from any words of political or anything right

because we spoke about I so for up to 30 days for the primary special election ction and the general election and we made sure we added those in because we followed the board of elections and what they call out as election. We added in to make sure we weren't varying from that.

So I have to say I'm I'm comfortable um between staff and legal. I'm I'm comfortable the way it is. anything harren, please.

I I've I've read this thing many times over and over and over again. And and we're not the number of signs permitted on any residential lot is not restricted. Put up what you want. and it just says here here's when you can start and here's when you can end but that other than that there's other than the size okay but I I don't think there's anything in it that restricts or limits any freedom of anything I'm sorry I I don't Right.

Okay.

Uh the second item is 30.09 second section 30.09 temporary signs C2 C.2 and this was brought to our attention here. Temporary signs shall be displayed no more than four times a year for periods not to exceed 30 days. of the examples we just spoke to related to for sale signs and school signs and whatnot. Um I believe our intent again was not football signs for your football team. Not not that right or soccer or whatever, right? the but I believe our intent was to watch for the general clutter, the aesthetics of our community, um safety, distractions, etc. That was, I think, our intent um on temporary sides. Now the example about a a house for garage or a house for sale obviously this can extend more than could easily extend more than 30 days

definitely and it's you know sell by order um in those instances heather uh is it like we just could wave this type is there a consideration for something like that for taking exception. There are always exceptions to the rules as they say.

We didn't Well, I mean, we didn't bake in any exceptions into the proposed language. Um, but from a practical standpoint, you know, the zoning inspector is not going to be going out proactively looking for signs that may violate the 30 days. And as we've discussed in several other meetings, um, uh, it would likely be a complaint driven, um, and and the zoning inspector would have to do their own due diligence to determine time frames. So, um, if there was an alleged violation on a time frame for a sign, um, like I would do with any zoning violation, I would go out the day I received it, photograph it, and then I would, if depending on if it was a time frame kind of thing, it's something you'd have to,

you know, verify. Um, but one, you know, it also, the other thing is if it's past the time frame, maybe it's not a temporary sign anymore. Maybe it's permanent sign, you know. Um, so does it, but again I I think we have to have some starting point um some something to work off of um when trying to manage temporary signs.

Um we are permitted to regulate their location, the size of them, how long they're allowed to be displayed. And so we were trying to give residential properties what we thought was an adequate amount of time to to put whatever signs they want out throughout the year. um what we have in the resolution currently was very restrictive like regarding the what the message said on the sign which was what we were trying to get away from like I shouldn't have to read the sign to know how to enforce the regulations like okay is this a real estate sign or is this a contractor sign that that should not be of a concern I should not you know it should be okay is it in the right location the size and height

and how long is it there and that's that's what we were trying to do there Thank you. Sure. Yeah. So, temporary signs shall be displayed no more than four times per calendar year for periods not to exceed 30 days. So, four times. So, I can put the sign up 30 days, put up for another 30 days, take it down, right? If you want to sort of what it says, right? So, that's up to you. You can only do that four times. Four times. 120 days. Yeah. Yeah. But as Heather explained, we have a it's a baseline yes

point of I don't want to say compliance but standard that we're looking for in the community and it's complaint driven. I mean, it's not going to like you said, it's not going to Well, and and it's also not like whenever the police marks down what time you hit the meter and whenever it says 30 minutes. Yeah. Then, right, he clicks his clock and he comes back 31 minutes later and he gives you a ticket. Right. What happens here? Right. Probably nothing. Nothing. But if something were to happen, you'd say, "Take your sign down for a day.

Put it back up the next day." Yeah. It It might not fit the football or the soccer, but I'll tell you what, if anybody can complain about my kid playing soccer with my sign in the front yard for more than 30 days, I don't know what I'd do. You'd be talking to him. Well, it might be something more than talk. Yeah. Uh,

well, in general, Heather, the only time you actually try to enforce something like this, if you get a complaint, right? If someone in the neighbor if the sign's been up there for months and months and months and no one in the neighborhood has complained about it, you wouldn't bother trying to go out there and cause discomfort to to that based on purely a time frame. Likely not. Yeah. Right. Size, location, those kind of safety thing. Yeah. I mean, yes, probably. I would. Yeah.

I got a neighbor across the street. He's got two lovely boys and they play all kinds of sports and they got the little signs in there and they're jumping up and down. They enjoy, oh, look what we did, Mom. You know, and they're playing in the yard all the time. To me, that's a more pleasing thing to see than I'm upset that they have their signs in there with the what the boys are involved with. you know, and I don't think anybody basically would would say anything in the neighborhood to be honest with you. I feel good that they're out there playing and they're good and healthy and enjoying life and worry about if they have their little banner out there, everything is big. It's up against the porch. You have to really look for it to see it anyway, you know? But that's me. So I don't think this regulation would be have it right now. Yes, it's a regulation. But like you said, you take each thing under consideration.

Yeah. You know, and I think 99% of residents would be the same way, feel the same way. I would hope so. Yeah, I would think so. I would hope so. If you're any kind of a human being, especially what you see what's happening in our world today, I mean worrying about a sign is right beyond my concern. I think most people also Okay, thank you. You're welcome.

Thank you. Um the third one just move along here is the definitions number 24 and 32. Uh there are pages 30.5 and 30 30.4 and 30.5. This is permanent and temporary signs. Uh I think the question before us is temporary sign in a is a because it's in the window. Is it a temporary sign? No. A window sign can be either permanent or temporary. It's kind of what,

right? Yeah. I'm gonna Heather, am I interpreting that as Hyram just said when I the same way window sign? Yeah. I mean, it could be permanent or temporary. Okay. So, as as a definition, um I feel like the way it's worded, both of them are are fine. It just establishes the standard from which each of those are defined. They concur. Yeah. I I think 35 is is fine. Yep. And I think 30 or 24 and 32.

32. Okay. I'm looking at window sign. 32. But to your point, 35 window sign can be temporary or permanent. Right. That's that's where I was. Which is right. Yeah. I I think they're both I'm sorry. I think they're fine. Yeah.

Um I'm looking over our legal counsel writing. If there is anything that you feel like we're missing, right, feel free to interject. I will if it's a something legal that maybe we're not.

Thank you. Um uh 30.12 302 F signs on vehicles. placed for attention getting identification or advertising is prohibited. So, vehicles or trailers parked in someone's in their driveway with an advertising sign that says their company's name. Um, and I often see that Heather. I mean, there's plenty of in my neighborhood there's a he's got a van. There's a It's his company's sign is on the van.

I Yeah. Now that I'm looking, you know, at what we had and what we're proposing now. Oh, what we had. Yeah. Okay. You know that I'm looking at the red line. Yeah, that's definitely the way to look at it. Good idea. Yeah. On page 30.34. Page 30.34. Got it. Yep. Seeing this F there. Yep.

Um rereading what we had. I think maybe um I think it was a good point poss you know brought up by Miss Pessek that we could be creating a gray area by saying this like because we do allow you know homeowners to bring home their work vehicle right that might say where they work on the side of it or um maybe we add back in the the section that talks about um placed in locations not normally expected for such vehicles. Mhm.

Um and maybe that kind of Yeah. So, we could relook at that. I kind of like some of the stuff we added, but or um there's a way we could rephrase that to to maybe allow for that still, but not to allow for someone to just bring the vehicle somewhere and park it, you know, like in front of the shopping center sideways across four parking spots or something like or at a random park, you know, um over the weekend. Um I be happy to take a look at that and we can Yeah, we talk that a little bit. I would agree. I that that's one that's worth our uh because there are more people with their company vehicles where people co put a lot of people home working. So

yeah, good point. Yeah, absolutely. Okay, good. Thank you. Any comment, Frank? Frank Frank, very good. Very good. Thank you. Um 30.14 Uh that would be on page 3023.

The name, address, and telephone number for a sign placed on the frame or other sports large enough to be read by a person standing sidewalk weathering sign. Um, that's a maintenance standard under for all sides. So, I know I remember when Hyram brought this up at the one meeting. Remember, Hyram? Yeah, I remember just Oh, that's right. That's right. You did

because and I I thought this section just at that time was just related to just permanent signs, but the way it's phrased, this whole section is for all signs. So, I you know, I don't know this is that anything that I've ever requested or looked for when I've gotten an application for even a permanent sign permit. So, I I mean, if it's causing confusion or we don't think it's necessary, I don't know. I mean, maybe Hyram wanted it taken out too originally. I'm not It's not anything that I've ever looked for, asked for on a permit.

What purpose does it serve? other than like if there's an issue with the sign, I the somebody would know who to contact about the sign. Okay. Okay. I don't know. But like for me, the sign's going to be on a property. If I have an issue with the sign, I I go to the property owner or the tenant or whoever the business is or the resident or whoever who's ever in the window looking at you. Yeah. Is is curious. Is that the way it read? What is that? the way it read. Yes, that's the Oh, yeah. We didn't change anything. Yeah, that's exactly how it was. There were no changes proposed there. Yeah.

I think what I objected to was shall only be large enough to read by a person standing on the ground, sidewalk, or parking lot. I said there's no way you're going to get that. Yes, you did. No way. Okay, that was my objection there. Oh my. Okay. You could always put that on the back of the sign if you wanted to.

I mean, the sign is in the yard or on the property. So, you do have a name if it's a whatever it is, right? The homeowner or business owner that the information is right there. And usually if it's a company that did put the sign up, their name is on there for their advertisement of Right. Um seems to me that we might consider striking number four altogether. That's going through my mind. Yeah, I just saw Heather blink like Yes. Oh, no. I was just Yeah. I mean, if that

or otherwise try to clarify that it's for permanent signs, I guess, because I don't believe the intent was for, you know, just temporary yard sign. I I think you're right. Yeah. I don't know. But then that gets But then it still causes, you know, a a question. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Why don't you strike it? I I would agree. Yeah. Probably the best way to issue it. Then there won't be any misunderstandings about anything. Okay. It's just the what's the endg game? Yeah. Right.

We have name, address, phone number, every sign. So, we're in we're in concurrence to strike that strike number four. Number four.

Right. 30.14B4. Okay. Um so to uh um can I since we we decided to move to strike that uh oh no I'm sorry I'm sorry. Yeah. uh of in summary then it uh 30.12F Heather will re-examine that using some of the prior language modify that language.

Um I could come back at the next yeah the next meeting with a couple proposed modifications. So this language as initiated would still say the same. Yes. So hang on to this, bring this with you and then at when we continue the next public hearing and if there are any other modifications that the commission would want to include and recommend to the trustees, we'll

the we'll um articulate those with the with the vote after the public hearing and after everything what those modifications would be. So that and the 30.14 before we move to strike the other uh sections articles that we discussed we I think the board is a concurrence with uh keeping the text as is correct correct okay u thank you for commentating and I think that was worth a few minutes to go through that I agree go through those points

that were raised which I thought were good really good points and thank you for bringing that to our our attention. Um um so that will end the that I really that will conclude that item on our agenda. And uh we'll move continue the public hearing and then we will reconsider uh post public hearing approval of those amendments at the April meeting. It will still be on the agenda night. Correct. I'm sorry. What was your question?

We will consider approving the amendments after the public hearing next month. They will still be on our agenda. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. So, if the public hearing is closed next month, then you have 30 days to vote on it. Check the calendar. So, that you probably have to vote that night unless you do a special meeting. Uh, generally that's how our zoning commission meetings fall. Yeah.

Good. Thank you, board. Thank you, board members. Uh uh uh that concludes that part of on our agenda. We have uh old business that remains. Uh one is establishing a designated final date for the completion of the sidewalk in accordance with the agreement between Concord Toncho Zoning Commission and the N9 Group LLC for the property located at Old Cryle and Crow Road being parcel number 08-020-0000-48-0. This agenda, this item uh will remain uh tabled until July 2026. Um for item number two, I had suggested t we have tabled the election of a vice chair. Um without objection from the board, I I would say that we remain tabled until we have new members

on our board. Um uh moving along then. Any correspondence to reports? Frank? Not Mr. Chairman response. None. Mr. Chairman. Ron. None. And I have similarly not received any correspondence. So last but not least, a report from Heather on activities, which I actually do not have one this evening. Oh, I was so looking forward to it. Really?

Thanks. Thank Thanks, Heather. Um our uh next meeting uh April the 7th uh 2026. Uh there being no further business for the board, this meeting stands adjourned.