Planning Board - Regular Meeting

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Hold on. I got I gota I gota I got to open the meeting. Sorry. Okay. Yep. All good. All right, we recording. Okay, great. Uh, I'll call this uh meeting of the planning board of Cole Spring to order. Um, would anyone like to add or modify agenda items? Yes. Yes. Uh, great. Uh, all right. We have one uh set of minutes to go through.

Do you have a pen, Hillary? You want to have a pen? No, I do. I have I don't need prepared. Wait, I have one for you, Jesse. One second. Yeah.

It wasn't here. He was sick. Three of us in this um 10, right?

Uh yes, that's right. Three of us. Um remember did we we ask we ask for location recept but also also ask for light oh yeah right as anything else remember I wasn't here I just I looked at the the YouTube Yeah,

John, do you remember if we asked for anything besides um location of the trash? Uh besides that and parking, I don't think so. Or really the square footage. No, we decided the phases. We decided there was no there was no reasonable parking in the back, right? And we were Yeah, I just I just meant the the square footage so we could do the calculation. Oh, the basement. The basement. Uh, we needed a basement. Uh, that for you.

Right. Right. Okay. Um, I'm going to add that. Uh, plan. Um, all right. Um, I think with that amen with that added. Um,

did you want to mention something about just concentrating on phase one of this project? Do you think that's important to put in there? Yeah.

Yeah, I think that's a good point, too, actually. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. That's Uh yeah, the regarding the drainage. So so my preference would be and I believe I believe it's code I want to check that but um that the uh uh roof runoff is contained on the property.

Are you making an amendment to the to the minutes? The minutes. Yeah. So from what you're you're recalling what you said. Okay.

That uh sorry can you repeat what you said? But just just so my my my my preference is that the roof runoff um you know waste water is contained on the property. Anything else? That's it.

Are you catching up? Anything you would like to No, look. Yeah. All right. Um, someone make a motion to adopt the minutes as amended. I'll make a motion to adopt the minutes as amended. Second. All in favor?

Okay, we can move on to the main event public hearing um for 37 Main Street. Change of use um anyone to make a motion to open the hearings. I'll make a motion to open the uh public meeting for the um change of use the uh property at 7 Main Street Springfield. Second.

All right. Uh I just I'll read the notice into the record. Um, please take notice of the planning board of village of Cold Spring public hearing pursuant to 134-16.1B and 134-17 September 25th 25 is Village Hall 85 Main Street, New York. Um, planning board will consider the application by Brian Court may uh sorry for me.

I I tend to use Tormy. Either will be fine, but thank you.

Yeah. Uh the owner is uh Manitu Machine Works Inc. PO Box uh 630 Garrison 10524. The subject property designated 48.12-1-91 on the text map is at 37 mainspring New York district B1 as well as the villages district applicant proposed a change of use from retail services victory um for plan review and parking table of village law. All right. Uh oh. And the pling board will consider all verbal and or written statements from all persons interested in the proposed application in the various manners described above. The pling board will also consider such further relief as it finds necessary. All right. Um u have uh has a notice been timely published in the official newspaper?

Yes. Um the applicant provided proof of mailing. We have that here our package.

Do you have you received it? Affidavit of mailing. No, I don't think that's Do we get mailings now? Yes.

Okay. newspapers. There's several of them. printed out the images should be on the screen shortly. Are you all sorry?

Would you mind reading the address? Sorry. Three railroad alley. Followway family LLC for Main Street 43 Main Street James 45 Main Street Alexander Miller Street for the holidays. 53 spring Main Street property 67 spring Main Street One Depot Square 8 depots LLC 6 depot There's three railroad depots for four railroad.

Two depot square LLC for 38 Main Street. 40 Main 40 Main CS LLC for 40 Main Street. 26 Main Holdings LLC for 26 Main Street. Boat 37 LLC for 48 Main Street. Okay. So, the uh it's just Sorry, what was that? I think that's just I'll pass. Sorry, Jesse. I was just talking off screen. Duncan George E. for 52 Main Street.

Joseph Padilla for 12 Marcus Street. And that is all that I Okay. Um and uh we have a because there's no signage for this, right? This is no affidavit of signage. The affidavit of signage is is the posting, right? Yes. Yeah, we do have that. But I did not send that to Brian, but I can do that. Okay. Right. Um have we received any public comment either in writing or in person? No.

Okay. Um, I don't remember if we mentioned this last time, but I think this is a um type two action under seeker not requiring additional environmental review. Um, all right. I think that's a lot of the admin. Brian, would you like to take the floor and present uh the plan?

Sure. Uh, I'm more than I I would love to how I might seek the board's guidance there. I can't see the audience. So, I might just seek guidance on how in depth would you like me to go in the interest of your time tonight. Well, I think for you know, you can think of it as uh imagine imagine last time didn't happen and you're uh you know, I think the you what we would what we have asked is that you focus in on

the plans that are that are in scope for this body of work, the change that's that's uh that's facilitating the change of use. Um and uh yeah and I think um if uh the board has additional questions we'll we'll bring them up. Okay, great. Um are you successfully seeing my screen now? Yes. Okay, great. Wonderful. Well, I will dive into it. Can you maximize that for the room? Can let's see here. I think if you just um There you go. Yeah. All right, we're good. We're good. Okay, great.

Um, welcome to the old version of 37 Main Street. Um, as an introduction, uh, my name is Brian Tormy. I'm excited to be here with you all and look forward to walking through the proposal for this change of use. As an introduction, uh, we are submitting our narrative uh, for a change of use for 37 Main Street. Uh the proposed change will permit retail use on the first floor and basement to house our beloved Angie's Baker Shop and Cafe um located just up Main Street. Uh this proposal not only helps ensure the continued presence of a long-standing uh local business, but also activates a neglected property that has experienced um a lot of trials and tribulations uh and deserves to be brought back to her former glory um and bring it into existence as a safe, welcoming and vibrant cafe environment um which I believe will provide clear and lasting benefit to the village, the residents and our visitors. Um, I will note here that we have worked with the Cold Spring Historic District Review Board and received the necessary certificate of appropriateness for the exterior updates in the property that are contemplated by this change of use. Uh, some rationale for the change of use. Let me move camera a bit. Sorry. Um, first is activation of a long neglected property. The building at 37 Main Street has remained underutilized and deteriorated uh for well over a decade. Its current condition detracts from the charm and cohesiveness of Main Street. In conjunction with the installation of Angie's Bake Shop and Cafe, we are committing capital into renovation, code compliance, and aesthetic improvements, uh which help transform the property into a more active anchor location that enhances both the appearance and functionality of the village's central business district. Uh especially as the property sort of sits at this hub intersection of the railroad station and Main Street and

Scooping the Loop. Uh it feels like an important place to put some energy and effort in revitalizing the property. Uh part two, a proven operator with Deep Roots and Cold Spring. Angie's Bake Shop uh and Cafe has been a mainstay. We all enjoy its delicious treats and they've had great success there. They've been impressing both residents and attracting visitors. Their relocation to 37 Main Street represents a natural expansion that will allow their long-term presence in the village while allowing them to serve more customers and an improved and larger facility. Uh the business has already demonstrated financial sustainability, community support, and operational excellence. And I think hopefully those in the audience and in our community would all echo that sentiment. Uh next if I go okay um next uh in sort of our rationale for the change of use is an alignment with community and visitor needs. Cold spring has experienced uh significant growth in foot traffic through tourism rail access and regional attractions. A bakery and cafe located at the lower gateway of Main Street will serve as a welcoming first stop for visitors arriving at the train station while also offering a daily walkable amenity for residents. Unlike transient or speculative uses which we had many tenants pursue us for this building related to uh this cafe anchors community activity and provides a third space not a home not work but a comfortable place to gather for community uh and socialization and a sense of interconnectedness in our wonderful village. Uh and lastly a safe and welcoming and accessible space. The renovation will prioritize safety, accessibility, and a warm atmosphere. In contrast to the building's current neglected state, the bakery will feature upgraded systems, improved lighting, interior, and exterior, a familyfriendly environment that protects projects the village's best image to first-time visitors, and fosters pride among residents. The safety improvements of the property are especially important

considering the adjacency to the train station and extended hours residents come and go along the walkway. Uh, as mentioned at a prior hearing, you know, we put up an uh sort of a community engagement activity of a QR code to fill out a survey related to paint color selection as we were going through that process uh over the past so many months. Uh, and I sought stories and experiences and and photographs of of village residents as they submitted their, you know, sort of paint color survey choices. Um and interestingly got several responses that thanked myself and the other investors in the property for acquiring the property and bringing it back to active engaged life. Um because they have a lot of fears and concerns as they get off the train late at night coming along the sort of long pathway of the the rail station with the sort of dark woods and a large abandon what is you know has historically sort of been a low building um sitting next to it. Um and so they I got some sort of compelling and interesting stories um from some village residents uh along the ways of how this is really a big emotional and anxiety relief for them to see this building brought back into sort of active use. Um summarizing page three, you know, we believe this also helps strengthen the village's economic and social fabric. uh increases pedestrian activity, especially down at that sort of full end near the um uh under passage way below the rain uh train tracks and it strengthens connections between the riverfront, the train station and upper Main Street. It will encourage longer dwell times by visitors benefiting nearby shops and businesses. Uh, it will offer a consistent year-round amenity that serves both residents and tourists, supporting our goal of balancing community cohesion with economic vitality, and it contributes to the village's downtown revitalization momentum consistent with goals outlined in the village's planning and zoning initiatives.

Move this over here. Okay. Some further benefits to the village. Revitaliz revitalization of a key property. uh turning what has been a long blighted building into productive tax contributing and community serving space. Supported support for a local institution, ensuring the continued presence of a trusted community rooted business with a proven record of success. An economic multiplier attracting visitors, stimulating spending at neighboring businesses and reinforcing Main Street as a thriving retail corridor. Community anchor providing a central gathering spot for residents, enhancing everyday life and social connection. and a gateway enhancement really improving the visitor experience at a cr cr cr cr cr cr cr cr cr cr cr cr cr cr cr cr cr cr cr cr cr cr cr cr cr cr cr cr cr cr cr cr cr cr cr cr cr cr cr cr critical entrance to Main Street creating a positive first impression of Cold Spring I'll pause there for any questions I do have all the sort of survey you know site plans all that stuff I'm happy to walk through next but I want to sort of pause this point in the narrative and see if there are any questions

no seeing some shaking heads keep rolling

yeah Okay, cool beans. Um, quickly a site survey, you know, for familiarization. This is Main Street here. This is the loop that gets scooped. Uh, the depot restaurant and space is down over on this side and upper Main Street goes this way. Um, the property is located at the intersection of One Terrace and Main Street. Uh the building sits here um with a small uh narrow driveway to the west um and sort of a rear uh yard area uh and then sits pretty close to the property line both at the front and near the property line on the uh west side uh sorry east side. Uh, okay. This is just a zoomed in in case.

Do we have Sure.

Do you just want to stay on this page for a second? No, it's not. No, I think I think um I think we don't have this one here as as not as a large format print. Um I think you have what is a further like a site plan but not the site not the survey. This is the survey. I kept it in the presentation in case we need to reference measurements or like that of the of the of the survey. I have an older version of the survey

should be the same. I haven't had it updated since I did it once. survey is not bad. Oh, this is not 2025. Brian, is the survey 2025? This year? I think it was early this year. Okay. I can take a look. And I'm happy to I've sent it by email, but I'm happy to send it if you'd like. If you sent if you sent it u Mhm. Yeah. I don't want to hold up the proceedings. Okay, keep going. Yes, please. Okay, this is a zoomed in version just in case our eyeballs need it if we need to reference it.

Uh, here's the proposed site plan with a location as we I think everyone here knows where it is and sort of the larger overview site plan. We have um updated, let me move you, updated the site plan uh to include the location for the garbage um as well as sort of that was really the only addition ad asked for on the site plan. Brian, have you sent this updated to Abigail yet?

Uh yes, I believe so. Well, actually, I believe Gracie sent this. Gracie from Hudson Design. And these are screen captures. So these are a little bit zoomed in, but Hudson Design sent sort of like the full thing with their it's not a header or footer, but sort of all their like sidebars and things. All right. I think I think we when Abel comes back, we'll we'll see if she received those. When I last checked with her, she had not received any updated uh any any updated drawing. Do you do we happen to be CCD on those or?

Uh I don't think so from my recollection. No, I don't think the you Jesse or the board was CCD on that from Gracie. But were you like were like Oh, I was. Yes, I I have it. You have it. And you saw that they that Abigail was was on that? Yes, I believe so. Yeah. Okay. Yep. Do you know when that happened? Uh it was not long after the last meeting. Okay, I'd have to change out of this screen and go to my email, which would share my email. That's okay. So, the there was an updated um site plan sent shortly after the last

meeting um that Brian said you were you were on that email uh so maybe well and just check to verify that you had received it. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. You still want to see this or this is from 2005? That's from 2005. It's the only version that I Okay. It sounds like uh Brian, maybe you could you could also if you you say you you had already sent the 2025 uh um survey survey. Yep. Yeah. So, A Y All right. Well, Abigail's gonna gonna dig around for some documents, but please please continue.

Okay. You got it.

Um, here are the proposed south and west elevation sides. Um, not significant changes here. As mentioned earlier in the presentation, HR uh, uh, HDRB has already reviewed and approved. Um, the, you know, sort of what what you see here, including the fixture and a handful of things. There are a few modifications to the plan that they adjusted, you know, minor things which will show up on the next page. Um but essentially on the uh west and south sides no major changes to the structure proposed. Um on the north and east sides um we will be replacing two windows here. Um and again HDRB reviewed and approved. Um the this drawing here doesn't show but one of the things that they requested in the notes they just sent us was actually some specific mullions in the dividing lights of these windows. It was different from our plan but we agreed with it. The other thing they asked for um was that we will retain the two windows that are here in this location. I think you can see my cursor um down on the bottom left side of the the uh L terrace side. Those two windows will retain stay as they are and not be replaced with this new window here. Um so those are some uh outcomes from the HDRB approval process. Um here is an interior first floor floor plan um with a layout uh constituting the new bake shop and cafe um with sort of the kitchen space and uh preparation space here towards the uh south side of the of the building with sort of retail counter here and sort of space here and a coffee bar latte space here an ADA bathroom here and then two bathrooms singleuse uh

here. And then we did add per the request from last time a floor plan for the basement. Um and later uh Jonathan, I'll get to the we've got all the square footage measurements as well for you for calculation purposes, but this is a

Yeah, you got it. A proposed uh layout for the basement uh featuring storage um you know, some uh refrigeration and prep space uh in the basement. Uh this is a lighting plan sort of showcasing some of the fans electrical lighting. I don't think that's of significant conversation here. Um and in conclusion, uh we are seeking the approval of the change of use from general business to retail use and food services at 37 Main Street for the specific use uh of Angie's Bake Shop and Cafe. Uh or we are excited about uh Angie's Bake Shop and Cafe. Uh, not marry is a procedural adjustment. It is a strategic investment in Cold Spring's future. We believe it activates a long neglected property, supports business deeply woven into the village's fabric, and provides long-lasting benefits to residents, visitors, and the broader Main Street economy. We respectfully request that the planning board approve this change of use so that 37 Main Street can become a vibrant, welcoming bakery and cafe, an anchor that reflects the values and aspirations of the village of Cold Spring. Great. Thank you, Brian.

Um, Abigail, I believe, uh, while we were on Zoom, uh, we got some public comment in the chat. Oh. Um, if you could just, uh, copy that so that we have it, um, that we can we can refer to it when we get to the public comment section.

Um, Jesse, are you asking me to read that? No, no, no. Sorry. Okay. Sorry, Abigail. Yeah. Okay, got it. Um, and were we able to find any uh those those mailings that the the the plans being mailed? Updated plan the updated I'm not seeing. Is it directly from you, Brian? No, it's I think it's

from Gracie. Gracie, sorry. I'm sorry. I'm I'm not seeing anything. I see something related to HDRB, not the planning board for 37 Main Street.

Let's see here. taken for it.

4,000 emails in my queue. So, sure. There's there's this this property has had not not only a few emails. It's and I Abigail I do apologize because it has been a lot of emails with a lot of things a lot of things going on.

Are we going to read the chat or how does that work? I'm gonna have Abigail read it to us when we get to that section. Um, sorry. The re the re the main reason why we're trying to run this to ground is I need I need to understand uh whether the board hasn't had access to this because of an administrative challenge or because we didn't we didn't successfully get it from the from the applicant. So that it matters in so far as the public has had a chance to kind of actually digest the the fullness of the of the plan. So that's why we're that's why we're talking about it. I think I could get Do you Brian, have you found did you find

um I'm start Yeah, I'm started looking through there's a lot of emails and I think just to clarify it's just the addition of the garbage area on the site plan. That that's the I think that's the only thing we're looking for. Well, there's two there's two things we requested last time, which was we needed a basement. um uh plan the square footage and the placement of the those were the things that were that were important for us to have. Okay. Um, do you have the subject of the email maybe so I can just see if I'm

I'm trying to find I mean most of her emails they're all under the same subject 37 ray colon 37 Main Street drawing updates but there are a lot of Um well, while Abigail's doing that, I think um have um any questions for Brian?

I do. Um, unfortunately I wasn't able to meet um be at the last meeting. I'm not Am I not seeing egress and e uh ingress on on these plans? Um I know that Brian mentioned Oh, there's something up from the basement. Yeah. So, the the Brian presented the interior um interior layout which has the it has that it has that but it's not and we had that last time. Uh it's just not been printed out here. All right. They're keeping the door on the front that's on the left and that's the only door

from the basement. You're not the worries, right? But go ahead, Bryant. Would you just explain to us? Thanks. Yeah, you got it. Uh, so there will be the the door on the um east side of the front bu side of the building facing Main Street. So that's sort of the door we all know on the on the front side of the building. There's also a door on the rear that most many people don't know is there um as a secondary means of egress. And then in the basement there is also another uh access point so you can go down into the basement and from there comes up to the Bilco doors that are on the uh uh north side facing Main Street as well.

Okay, thank you. Yeah, you got it.

Couple of questions. Why did the historical board want you to keep those two windows in the back? Um it was you know it was an interesting actually discussion about sort of the the goals of the historic district review board and while what I had proposed from a new windows perspective was matching and creating uniformity and cohesion with historic with sort of like the historic the the lights the sizing the location you know these things um one of the board members you know and uh sort of had an opinion and perspective which I can understand and acquested to which is that keeping some of the variety of windows tells a creates intrigue and tells a little bit of the story of the history of the building that it has had more than one chapter in its life and that it isn't all uniform and square and um you know symmetrical but that it has some of these uh asymmetrical as attributes to it. Second question is and I don't know anything about the capacities of things but has there been any discussion with the fire department as to maximum number of people that can be inside given that it's uh just a regular door on the front and a regular door on the back.

Uh not yet. That'll be, you know, so once we are approved for change of use, hopefully tonight, um, we'll engage in those conversations and ensure that both doors have the, you know, all means of ingress and egress meet with fire code. We've worked closely with Hudson Design. We believe that we've speced out that both the um, you know, the lighting, signage, ingress, eress requirements, but we will, you know, consult just to ensure we've achieved that. Brian, would would you mind discussing um the the lighting and the signage, the garbage and uh the parking?

Sure. Um uh I might go back to the shared screen. That may help, I think, if that's okay. Um give me a second to hopefully successfully do that. Are you all seeing my screen again? Yes. Yes.

Okay, great. Uh okay. So I am going to go to here. Okay. Um let me just move this. So from a parking analysis perspective um you know the driveway uh so just to orient Main Street is over here. Um the stairway that goes under the railroad tracks is sort of like right down here. Um and the front side of the building is here. Um at the driveway entry point there's an overlap of the existing pedestrian staircase, sidewalk and rail station access route. Uh you know and sort of reviewing national standards. Uh the the conclusion our conclusion is that it shouldn't be a major thoroughfare for regular customer use parking. Um, additionally, according to sort of again some a few national standards, um, although there's the curb cut for the active retail customer use such as a cafe, that's, you know, one standard is sort of set up for, um, employees or people familiar with the property. And there's another standard for people that are just coming to visit the property. for people coming to visit the property and use the facility and then come buy some delicious baked treats. Um the minimum recommended curb cut width is 12 feet for a one-way uh and a 20 ft for a two-way access. The curb cut is currently less than 12 feet. Um and so wouldn't meet that sort of standard for while it meets it for employees and people familiar with the property. It doesn't meet it for people new to the property. Um similarly based on national standards the uh um the minimum driveway length and we did go sort of double check it. The surveyors you know batting Watson got everything right um in their measurement. Um but the minimum distance uh for the driveway exit 12 feet for oneway entrance or exit for customers. Uh and this is I think

it's 9.9. Um and I think on this last one on the last meeting Jonathan you pointed out I think the village standard is 10 feet. Um right um there as well

and so at its widest point it's 10.1 in 10.1 ft and at its narrowest 9.9 ft. Uh and so while we believe that the rear yard can be used uh in part for uh parking and sort of bringing and deliveries and things as needed um it would be an not ideal and in fact probably unsafe use for uh you know customer traffic for parking purposes. I do have, you know, I've done a whole set of measurements as well in terms of sort of creating the turn radius, but but it's really the access point that at this property creates the the pinch point that, you know, from our perspective and opinion and proposal creates an unsafe condition um for regular customer use. And so our request is for referral for a parking waiver. And uh do we end up with a final number for the total square footage including the basement for the use?

I have the uh the in the interior square footage numbers so that we can uh derive that. At the last meeting there was some debate around what is the current calculation methodology for the village. And so I'm I have I come with the beginning variables or they're not variables or they're numbers in the calculation and look for your guidance on the calculations. Uh sorry I'm I'm not recalling the ambiguity there. Uh it's basically it's um I believe it's uh was it three per,000 square feet? It's uh six per thousand actually. Yeah.

Okay. I know we had discussed um what counted as a parking space like what size you needed to officially consider it a parking space but yeah I think this um calculation is pretty straightforward. Yeah. Um what c can you read off the we don't have it here. Um what the square footages are that you have. The total for first floor and basement is $2,9.99. 29.998. So 18 spaces. 18. Yeah.

Yeah. If I'm understanding it correctly. Yeah. So, we need a waiver for all 18.

And it's the second floor space two. The second floor is uh has a different use. It's uh re uh sorry, it's office, right? Is that right? Office and residential existing. And so it's grandfathered since it it doesn't change. Yeah, it's not changed or it's not it's not part of this evaluation. So Okay. Yeah. Thank you.

Um any other questions about parking before we move on to um some of the other details? I just want to make sure everyone here in the room uh and online has a chance to understand the um the the exterior lighting in particular and the signage just so people are things are going to be impacting people and also if you could um speak to the the hours of use that you're uh so hours of use wait I don't have that right in front of me but I've got it give me one second I believe from memory it was seven. Say again.

So you just cut out there for a second. Oh, I said I don't I'm pulling it up, but from memory it was 7 a.m. to uh 700 p.m. No, wasn't it 6? I know it was 7 a.m. That would be great if you got wiggle room. My train goes in 6:05 and it's always late. I think there was there was some funny conversation last time and at the at the time I didn't have the um you know the proprietors of it right so the hours of operation are subject to the proprietor's choice um you know I think they can chime in if they want to if they are willing to extend the hours to meet for better train time convenience side I'm in full support as the building owner

uh not required for this board to make any Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Very good. So I Yeah. All right. So that's that's the hours of operation. Um uh lighting. If you could walk us through the lighting. Yeah. Yep. How many days a week? I think I think all seven. All seven days a week. We might start at six and then our hope is to get to seven. Okay. Cool. Um, let me go back to lighting. Let me go back. Am I sharing my screen again successfully? Yes.

Okay. Here's a lighting. Are you referring to interior or exterior lighting? Exterior primarily. Exterior. Got it. I assume there'll be lighting inside.

There will be. Okay. Um, actually gonna be one of these new very experientially experiential bakery cafes where you come in and you're both blind and folded and there are no lights. I I say that all in justest. That is not meant for the record here. Um, okay. Here, let me pull up the updated. So, I have the plans here uh that I just want to pull them up that are the exterior lighting that came from uh Abigail. Did that come from you or Todd? Who I'm trying to remember who on HDRB? We have it on.

Yeah, we have it. We have I mean our our drawings here do have um exterior um lighting on them. the the HDRB nixed one or two and so I was just going to try and pull that drawing up, but I can I can walk you through my drawing and I can verbalize. Um, let me go back to that. Okay, well let's let me try to be efficient on time here.

Um, okay. So, uh, starting here on the on the north side facing Main Street, uh, these lights here are this fixture here, um, which has met with HDRB approval. Um, and so those lights will be added and installed there. You can also start to see here and over here the lighting that shows up along the side. The main change for HDRB was removing uh this light here. So this one would remain. Removing this light here, this would remain. And removing this light here and this one would remain. So the sort of cutting it by half on the L terrace or east side. Any questions on this side?

Uh so you're you're saying that you still need to update the drawings for that? I have them. I I can get pull them from my email. They're not in this PowerPoint because they just came through from HDRB. And then this side on the rear. Um these are all accurate. So these are lights we sort of see along this side. So spaced between the windows here and then uh here here uh and here and again this is the fixture. Um I will mention as I sort of did my HDRB presentation that you know we've uh chosen and planned for a lighting plan that conforms to dark sky uh guidelines. While that is not a community requirement or zoning preference, as someone who does a little bit of dabbling in astrophotography, um, and just enjoys it and believes that birds should be able to migrate more readily, uh, and naturally, um, while I can't change what happens over at West Point, at least I can make my small dent here at 37 Main Street.

Uh, signage. Well, could I one second for for L terrace because that's the one I think that might face um some residential there. What is the timing for these lights supposed to be on there? Are they going to be on all night or are they just going to be during hours of operation?

Uh great question. The plan had been to allow for the exterior lighting to remain at least as currently planned. I'm open to, you know, community feedback. um to so because it is very low ambient light uh meeting with dark sky and sort of staying under a certain lumen level. Uh the plan had been for that to remain on in the evening to create safety lighting uh around the exterior of the building tonight though or just to a certain time. What's the I I guess it's really up to the neighbors to to wonder about it, but I'm just hoping that won't be any problem with somebody that's living right across the way if it's a full 24hour.

The part of what we plan for is they're both shielded light so you don't see the light source itself um in, you know, in what fixture we've chosen. Um, but I'm, you know, very open to both neighbor or community feedback if there's a preference as to limiting the hours or board feedback as well. There's no sidewalk. There's no sidewalk on that side, right? Uh, there's not presently a sidewalk on leaving Main Street going up Lun Terrace. No, there's not. get in there. So, it would I mean it would be lights on a side yard that no one would be walking on.

We um I want to follow, you know, board member Jesse's advice and not get into anything related to phase two at this point other than to maybe mention that There may be other things that we're planning to do that are reasons we would put this lighting in now. And certainly it's a great safety feature for those walking to and from the train on that path. Well, this thought I'm saying he's you've got lighting on both sides,

right? Essentially a soft ambient lighting surrounds the whole footprint of the building all with a downcast and you know not you know sort of seeing the bright source of the light etc. Correct. There's but there's no reason for anyone to walk over there. There's no side. This is on the terrace side. That's what I'm Yeah. Obviously. Mhm. I mean, what what I will that I think it's all right if the lighting is all night, especially on the other side when people are are walking late at night to to and from the train.

Yeah, certainly. Certainly on the on the train side, I think it it makes sense. I think on the Lara side, yeah, it could go either way or Yeah. Again, I just want to think of the of the people that are crossing. It's it's really up to them to voice their concern, but I think it is up to us as as a court to protect them if there issue overnight where they felt this this falls this falls under our you know our purview to

and like it obviously like it's ideally we would have neighbors here voicing their uh their opinion about about this particular aspect of the design. Um but in lie of that I think we do have you know part of our mandate is to is is to think through that. Yeah. Um and I'm actually I'm just looking at the the street view now and it looks like the property on the other side of one uh doesn't have any windows other than like a small window in the attic uh and maybe one in the basement. Okay, that's good context.

Yeah, and they have a tall fence in the uh surrounding the backyard, too. Thank you. Um move on. Yes. Okay. No worries. Um the signage. Yes, please speak to signage.

So the the uh proprietors are aware that they'll go through an HDRB process for specific signage approval. Um but they are looking forward to placing a an approvable size sign uh just referencing other uh projects um on the front side on the so this is the uh north side facing Main Street um to uh reference an Angie's Bakery and Cafe. Okay. So the the placement has not yet been decided.

It hasn't been finalized. they'll they'll seek and go through sort of a full HDRB approval process for exact signage design and placement. Um, and they're familiar with that having done that at their prior or their current location. Um, as well I think the and Angie, you're there if you want to speak up and and share your sort of thoughts and opinion and plans on signage. I'm happy to turn the microphone over to you.

Yeah. No, we've got we went through it at 116 main in terms of size and relative to the to the window. Um we've already um reached out actually to um a village clerk to get the the process started and she looped us in with the HDRB and uh you know currently we're thinking about over the double doors but you know it's all subject to approval and obviously sign and style. We want to meet, you know, any requirements that they have, but also, you know, suit the building.

We want it to suit the building. Um, and the and the history of the building. And, you know, we're not going to have like a flashing neon sign. Obviously, it's going to be something tasteful and something that reflects, you know, uh, this this building has been a part of the community for years and years and years, and we want the signage to reflect that. Um, I think we usually include a condition that um, you know, the signage has been approved uh, if if appropriate by by the HDRB. So, we can make sure to include that in this.

Um, garbage. You walk us through where where the garbage is sitting and how it's going to be serviced.

Yep. Uh, I think No, wait. Sorry. I'm sorry if this is flashing a lot at you. Uh, okay. So, the garbage, uh, we've designed an enclosure that would, uh, sort of contain the garbage units back here. Um, and they, uh, would the current use is the garbage truck backs up down here. Uh, they would be loaded into the garbage truck now. um and or you know brought up to the large jump. I think there's still a question in consultation with the garbage company as to the type of garbage unit uh that will be used whether the um uh what are they sort of 4 foot cans versus the larger uh larger format commercial size but Yeah. Okay. Um, Abby, any luck? No. Brian, I think I think uh we can't seem to find reference of it and I I think just to get in this past discussion it's clear even if we had maybe they wouldn't be as up to date as what came out of the HDRB since that

didn't resolve until recently. Um, so I we'll need to get we'll need to get the, you know, the the full set of updated plans, uh, including the basement, the garbage, the updated lighting, um, you know, as soon as as soon as you can send it over. Okay. I'll make sure you get those tomorrow. Um, all right. Um um I just wanted to see if there's any Ron did you do any work on thinking through um just the drains and water

storm water? Uh yes. So I will again I have not brought up and referenced it here as part of sort of phase one but we do hope and plan for as part of a future phase to address the downhill storm water potential from sort of the main street downhill coming towards the river. Um I will mention that we currently don't you know all water on the premises on the property um currently drains on the property and that is that is still the plan for both this phase and the next phase. Our hope and plan in the next phase is solely to add a buffer in to possibly catch and divert water coming in mass especially uh downhill.

Okay. Right. Does that So, Jesse, I'm trying to honor the not talking about future things while still answering Ben's question. Yeah. So, so nothing nothing is sub substantial now. Correct. Okay. All right. Oh, one other question.

Time and action uh plan as to when everything is what do you what is Yeah. What's your time and action? Oh, like uh uh we are riper and ready and eager to go. Um we uh you know we are waiting we've done HDRB. We're waiting for obviously change of use. Um we are currently waiting for we filed our interior work uh and exterior work permits. Um those I believe are waiting on this public hearing and approval of change of use. Okay. Very good.

All right. Um, like to make a motion to um open the meeting to public comment. I'll make a motion to open the meeting to public comment. All right, floor is open. Um, let's take people in the room. Um, actually just because we got the the written the written statement, let's let's take the written statement first. So I think it's from Teresa Lagman. Loggerman. Laggerman. Thank you. Yeah.

Hi everyone. Sorry I need to sign off. I would like to send a comment on behalf of the Pole Spring Chamber of Commerce where I serve as a board member. The chamber is delighted to see this project move forward in such a thoughtful way. And we believe the change of use is a good thing for Main Street and our community as a whole. This project and the change of use, the change of use proposed have our full support. We can't wait to see Angie's open their new doors in the coming month. And Teresa is at 8 Stone Street. Thank you.

Um okay, great. Um we will uh open the floor to the room. Um um just as a as a quick reminder so um when you give comment please state your name and your address. Um all comments questions should be addressed to the board not the applicant and um uh we can we may decide to ask the applicant for clarification on your behalf. Um but uh you know otherwise the board isn't required to answer any questions you might have. We're just trying to facilitate. So, um, wait. I'll I'll open the floor. Would someone like to go first? Please.

Judith Rose, 7 Marian Avenue. Um, I've been walking by that building for a couple decades, and I am so delighted that it's going to have a lively use. And I love Angie's Bakery. So, I'm really happy they're going to be expanding and have more room for people to sit inside. Thank you. Anyone else comments? No. Um Ken online, uh would you like to make any public comment with respect to this application?

Okay. Well, let us know. Um you're muted, by the way, just in case. Um, all right. So, we we made our way through the the public comment as it stands. Um, unfortunately, we're I think we're in a little bit of a rough spot in terms of I think uh you know the board. Uh, no. For a reason I'm about to say. Oh, okay.

Yeah. Uh unfortunately because the public has not had a chance to really interrogate the the final plans uh because they haven't been submitted for the village um I'm going to have to keep the the public hearing open for until next time and uh we'll we'll reopen it and hopefully we'll be able to get through it the rest of the way. Please send over all the updated final plans so that we can consider that in full. Um, I think uh, you know, the we'll we'll kind of hold off on our the board's final discussion about about the application until next time. Um, so I think uh, suggest we we keep the the public hearing open for now. Um, but we do need to schedule uh the next the continuation public hearing. For the record, there's no additional work the applicant needs to do. It's just it will remain open. we'll we'll meet back and then we'll try to get it through it. Um so there's no additional notifications and we don't have to post anything. It's just it remains open but right now

October 9th um I see. Yes, this October 9th is the next time. Um that's most likely a problem for me. That is a problem. Yeah. Okay. I'll be here. I won't be. you won't be here. Um I will not be able to be here in person. I'll be in Boston unfortunately. Yeah. Yeah. I think we're unfortunately um that puts us to October 23rd that can make

So um if I could just uh chime in uh it's it's really up to the the board's discretion. I think the most legally prudent thing to do would be to leave the public hearing open since the public um hasn't really had a chance to look at the plans and really the board members haven't either. Um but in light of the fact that we haven't really received uh any public comment other than a couple voices in favor and the fact that um Brian went through a presentation tonight. If uh the board feels in light of that um that there's really nothing much more to consider um you probably could close the public hearing tonight. Uh but that that's up to you.

I would be in favor of that. Yeah. And and I think on top of that too um the changes that the applicant was asked to make since the last meeting were really more technical in nature than substantial. So, I think the plan was has pretty much remained the same. So, if the board's comfortable, um I think you could move ahead tonight. Okay. I I don't have an issue with it, but I just have a comment that I think that some of this definitely could have been avoided if we had someone from Hudson Design here to speak to and show the the the the board some of these changes.

So, it's a little frustrating for for me in that respect, though. this I don't think it's necessary with this project because like you said they are things that went over and Brian's done that in detail but I do think in the future if if um for Brian since you had a few of these before I think it is helpful to have someone from the design just so they would have the pieces ready to go in case we had questions. Can I add on to that? Yes. Yeah. And it's a super constructive comment. Like I want to be very positive about it, but it's um um I think the lesson that I took away is that um when emailing and Abigail is CCD onto onto emails, maybe they could change the subject heading for a significant email like here is this one,

plan number three, here's plan number four. um not necessarily every time, but when it's when it's something that really has to grab Abigail's attention because it's otherwise, you know, she's being it's a her email must be an absolute blizzard. So, I I want to make it clear I don't think we have any evidence that Abigail missed an email. No, no, I don't I don't think you did. It's Yeah, but um but it just be in terms of just email. A good point. Super super constructive. So, yeah. And then on that point as well, I mean if for some reason something was missed, it would be easier if someone just was here and say here it is right in in in person. Make it a lot easier for us. So yeah, those are my comments.

I mean we can we can um we can make a motion if we have quorum or if we have uh you know majority vote on it. I'm I'm happy to follow along. Um I think uh I will say that um the I think I I generally agree that in this case the the the nature of the change is relatively small. Uh there are a number of there are a number of changes and the whole purpose of the public hearing is for the public to understand what is being proposed and so they can react to it and it's an additional leap for us to have to make a judgment on behalf of the public about what is relevant for them

and uh I don't like doing it and it is really important to me that um this is not a precedent that this board is willing to indulge on a long-term basis. Agreed.

So, um I'm willing to to uh you know uh accept the close of public hearing on this particular one, but I want to make that really clear that this is it's not a you know, it's really easy to look at it as like just an administrative detail and it's it's just not. It's it's like really is about like the whole function of this board is to make sure that the that that the public is represented well and that they're informed about what's what changes are happening and um and if we're not doing that then we're not really you know the purpose our purpose doesn't exist. Well, can I answer that as well?

Yeah. Um just that I think you if I heard one piece of dissension on this project, I'd be voting against um closing the public hearing. So basically I'm agreeing with Jesse, but because you know people clearly in favor and we aren't dealing with like nuances here, I'm happy to to vote for it, but I just don't I I think it's really important that we don't set a precedent like Yep. We're happy to um you know close public hearing when we don't have a final set of plans. But then we set the conditions.

Well, we still set the conditions. That's true. But um you know, then it's still it's still on us to make, you know, you know, the we're making a call what we believe is is uh the relevant information. And that's a step a step um removed from from the public being able to to engage. So would someone like to make a motion to close the public hearing? Make a motion to close the public hearing. I'll second. All in favor? I I'll say hi. Okay. Thank you. One question. How long these drawings have been available, right? These copy. Yes. these.

Yeah. Okay. So, it's the differential from this to the final. Yeah. Okay. And I think a good piece is that um we were able it was on YouTube our previous meeting and it was all walked through. There were a few things that were to be changed and I think the public would have had a chance to hear some of those those ones that we asked for the change and then there hasn't been any comment on that. So yeah, I think that's reiterates that it didn't seem to be okay.

Um, board comment on the project. I'll go first. I mean, other than the the the comments that I have with the Hudson design, I do think that it is a positive for, you know, the um community and I'm glad that you're and you're Angie that you're going to be the uh proprietor of this this project because we know that you're a you know, a a very good uh you know, addition to Main Street here. So, it'll be very nice to have. Um, overall I think that the the biggest thing other than you moving down there is the use of that space and that's really looks like an anchor space for the community. So, I'm glad that you know Brian has has that in mind and um I think it was well thought out and you know I'm I'm happy to back the project. Yeah, I I mean no one has objected to the the the elephant in the room, which is the converting it to some place is going to be making food. And um uh we're, you know, they got plenty of room for garbage in the back there. They're not trying to squeeze any cars in there. Uh, I don't think the lighting on the east side is necess is necessary. There's no sidewalk. People have been walking up on terrace on that other sidewalk without incident. Uh, so I don't think the lightning is necessary. Um yeah, I um I for me um I'm willing to let them be human and have um dropped the ball on a small part of it. Um and to me the the big thing is is the

whole uh change of views and um I I think it's close enough. Uh so I'm just going to re reiterate what I said at the last meeting and that is um it's just a sort of a disclaimer of full disclosure that um one of the minor investors in this project is a friend of mine which is not going to influence my impartiality in any way. I think I asked some pretty tough questions last time and will continue to do so. Um with that said um I think it's a really exciting project. I'm really glad that um that this is happening and that the um you know the that there's a a significant capital investment into this project and I'm I I agree with some of the comments that you know I think you run a fantastic business. I'm thrilled that you're going to be setting up there. Um, my preference only because I'm a drainage nerd is that um, and it's I'll just point out that the we saw the photos from um, July 9th, 2023 and what the wastewater looked like exactly at that point in the village. Um, I I'd prefer to see the wastewater containment happen on the property now. um that's not going to stop me from supporting it,

but it's just, you know, they're my thoughts that it's it's it's going to get really wet down there. So, the next time we have a major storm, um I think that you've um come up with a a great plan and I think it's um it's also smart the way you're phasing it, too. I think that's, you know, strategically smart stuff. Thank you.

Well, I like to say I think it's such a great improvement for that space because that building's been an eyesore for quite a long time. So, I think one of the reasons why I want I thought it was a good idea to move forward is because I think just I can't imagine anybody in the village not not being in favor of this. Um, and you really I I appreciate the thought that went into it, what you could do with it, what you couldn't do with it. Um, and of course, congratulations to Angie that you guys have done so well that you can expand. Not a lot of businesses today are able to do that. So, congratulations. I think that's fantastic. And I think with everyone else was agreeing that it's it's a good move. It's also nice to see that there's going to be um some movement, some some light lighting down there that uh you know gives people a sense of safety, a sense of hey, something's going on in Cold Spring. Uh it's going to give some life down there. So, I really appreciate that um as as a villager, as a springer. So, thank you for for contributing everybody.

You're most welcome. Thank you.

Um, yeah, I similar similar sentiment to everyone. I think um the you know that that building has so long been a really kind of um inongruent welcome to people uh when they come in into the village from the from the train. If you haven't been here and you manage to not to not try to go to the other side of the train tracks when you get off, uh you get you get dumped out in front of this derelct building. You're like, where have I arrived? How quickly can I get to the to the to the hiking trails? Um and so I think you know that just the there's a there's an outsiz impact here. Like there's it's not just that that we're adding uh a big you know uh we're giving a bigger space to you know a local a local business and we're filling filling a previously unoccupied space. all good things, but the location of this in particular is a it just is a it's on a unique place of of impact in terms of of um how the village is experienced by by new people and by people who have returned uh and have to remember to look past that that building uh to see the rest of Main Street. So, I'm I'm super excited about it. um generally um and uh you know I appreciate u Brian the care that you you you've put into um considering the village and thinking from a community perspective. I think like uh I it's something that I it's the way I like to think and I want more people to think that way and I think um uh so I want to recognize that. I think that's that's really important and really valuable for the village. Um, I

hope you do it with more buildings uh as well and and and bring that same care uh uh to to to those projects as well. Um, well, thank you. Uh, a thing that that is not covered here though I know that you um are thinking and in future in future phases addressing um uh you know we're doing substantial rena work on on a building. I always like to see ADA compliant if possible when doing when doing that rena work. I know that's something you have um planned in the future. Um it's obviously not part of this approval.

Um but I um I'll use this forum to uh publicly encourage you to follow through on that and uh Yep. Um very eager to. Great. Um I think um that is what I have. Um my side um folks feel like we have uh something we have relative yeah you want to add no I think it's close enough I write programs with bugs

yeah I think we have um right now we've got um uh the three conditions uh which are um the standard paying the escrow consultant fees to the village, approval from historic review board for the exterior signage and um uh obtaining I think we said 18 parking space waiverss from the village board. Yeah. Yep. And um and then the the fourth condition that I would add is just a submission of the plans consistent with what was presented tonight. Okay. Oh, that's good. Yeah. Okay. Um,

yeah. Someone like to make a motion. I'd like to make a motion uh that the board approves the plan for this next for phase one of 37 Main Street, Cold Spring, contingent on escro fees being paid to the village. that historic signage um is um approved, designed and improved um per the discussion this evening that um an application is made for 18 park parking waiverss and that plans are submitted consistent with what was discussed this evening and presented. Second all in favor I I

All right. And does someone maybe want to make a separate motion just to authorize Jesse to um refer the applicant to the village board for the parking waiverss? Make a motion that Jessie should um refer refer the applicant to the village board for the 18 parking waivers. I will second. All in favor? I will do. Congratulations. Congratulations. That's the work. Thank you everybody.

Thank you to the board, Jonathan Abigail especially um for all the support um as well as Mayor Foley and you know the other village trustees who uh I I feel like I've gotten a lot of insights into gold and the village from a huge shout out to Ross Reek uh and Ken and Angie and the Hudson design team as well. So I just want to I appreciate all the accolades for the planning effort. I just want to make sure I'm also sharing them where they're very aptly due. So, thank you all. Thank you, Brian. Absolutely. Good luck with the project. No problem. Thank you. Thank you as well. Have a great night, everyone. You're all dismissed. Thank you.

Get home safely. Thank you. Thank you all. Thank you very much. But I was smiling and said, "Okay, like my mother, you're kind of dangerous." Yeah, I like that. Um, question. Did the Did uh the village board approve the blast parking waivers? I was on the agenda. It was even on that. I'm not quite sure. I can double check tomorrow. Okay. All right. Um, let's make Robo Square.

Robo Square. Yeah. Yeah. I sent it a couple weeks ago now. So, yeah. Okay. Um, so want to make a motion to adjurnn. I'll make a motion to adjurnn this meeting. I second it. Beautiful. Thanks, Jonathan. You got it. See everyone next time. Thank you. Take care. So should the next the next two meetings