Planning Board - Regular Meeting

All right, I'll call this meeting of the Planning Board of the Village of Cold Spring to order. I think we have some draft meeting minutes and review and give feedback to the clerk. So I'd like to make a motion to add the reviewing of the minutes from July 9 to the agenda.

All in favor?

Aye. OK. Great. We can move on to that. It's here. I think you'll have it. Does Hilary have a digital version? I think she can participate in the vote.

It is posted online if she has access.

Hilary, I don't know if you're able to reach those minutes online, the draft minutes are online, you said?

Yes. Oh, it's like part of the... With the backup, but without the minutes. The minutes are not online.

The draft minutes?

The draft minutes are not online.

Oh, I see. I see. Okay.

So the first thing on there says that the minutes of July 9th were approved.

Yeah, that's wrong.

Okay.

That would have been the minutes for June... We only met once in June. I think it was on the 11th.

So that should be June 11th. Oh, man. 167, that's your barbershop?

Yes. Marjorie, I think that we can give notes on this, but probably needs to be cleaned up a bit before we accept it. So we'll do a quick review to help provide some feedback on stuff. But Probably need to come back to it to approve.

Thank you.

That's the main factual thing. I think we just need to be in terms of the content of the notes just so we have a more clear understanding of what what happened. Alright, so I'll put that aside. I'll share that with you afterwards. Yeah. Okay, all right, we also have a referral from the zoning board. Just a reminder, the zoning board by code is required to refer any applications that they see to the planning board for comment. There's no obligation they have to follow our comments. like we don't have an obligation to even give comment, but it is referred to as for comment, so we have the opportunity to give comment. This particular application to the zoning board is for variance for an eight-foot fence in the rear of the property. If you recall, we've seen the East Belvedere property before we actually created this lot.

And it backed up to the football field.

Yeah. So they're basically looking for a higher fence there than is allowed.

But it's backing up on the football field.

But it's backed to the football field.

Certainly for not losing balls. Well, they have a net up there. Yeah. And there's no...

It doesn't really impact any neighbors. I mean, by precedent, I guess. Did they vote? Did the zoning board vote on it? Or they just they're hearing it there.

They're going to hear their next hearing. So they basically they're asking for comment from us.

This is something that they have.

They have a public hearing about and with the certified mail coming out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So we don't have to pass judgment as to whether or not it's okay with the neighbors?

No. I think for the most part, these referrals are opportunities for us to, if there are dimensions of the variance that link up with other concerns, the broader concerns we have about the village, as an example, let's say somebody wanted to uh, a offset variance, uh, like a side yard variance because they wanted, uh, to put more non-permeable house there. We might, we might weigh in saying that we're like, you know, the planning board is concerned with, you know, how, how water is being managed, especially with stormwater, uh, that stuff like that. Again, they don't have to do anything about it, but it's something they would consider, you know, from us as a, as a part of their, um, and their deliberation. I don't feel especially compelled myself to make comment, but I'm happy to incorporate any comment from the board in a note. I have no comment. Yeah, I'm wrong.

I don't have a problem.

All right. Would the board authorize me to respond with no comments to the application to the zoning board? Yes. Sure. Yes. I don't know. Do we have a motion to authorize me to respond?

Yeah. Okay. Yeah, I think it would be that the planning board is taking no position. Okay.

Okay. I would like to make a motion to authorize the chair to make a no comment motion on the East Belvedere.

Yeah, the East Belvedere.

The East Belvedere.

Is that important? It is important, yes.

I have a second. All in favor?

Aye. Aye. I'll make that response. Thank you all. I think we can move on to the main order of business today, which is our workshop for subdivision 29 to 31 Rock Street. So welcome. Thank you. To the planning board. We've done this particular board of these members have done one subdivision prior to this. I mentioned it earlier. It was the Belvedere subdivision. We did, so we have a little bit of experience with what is usually a pretty rare event for the village in terms of doing subdivisions. I will say that our experience with even a relatively simple subdivision, which was going from one to two lots, it was not a short process. So just to kind of set expectations that it can take a little bit to get through all of the legally required hoops they jump through to both vet the application, make sure we have referrals to all the right people, including potentially the county and other places like that. Just to set expectations up front. I think we have a bunch of questions, but I think we usually start with just a little presentation from the applicant about what they want to do, what they're thinking about, how they think about the project. You'd like that to stay here? Yeah, or you can stay there, you come up here, whatever, whatever you feel comfortable with. Yeah.

I didn't realize it was for the company. No, from this one, right?

Yeah, yeah, we have photos for they did not get transmitted digitally, or the packet that we had initially.

Matt Lazada represents Bill McComish. He's lived here for decades. The family's owned this property for decades. They're looking to do what I'd consider a very minor subdivision where splitting one lot into four. Of the four lots, one is getting a two-family. Another is getting a two-family. One is a single family that's turning into a two-family. The other is that the existing structure is not being touched.

What the existing structure is

It is two-family. Correct me if I'm wrong about anything. The stretch that's not being touched is currently two-family.

No.

It's single-family.

Yeah.

Okay, so single-family is not being touched. So, yes, that's right, because there's a total of seven dwelling places as proposed. Yes. Everything would be as of right. We're not asking for a single variance. All the lots are conforming.

Or pre-existing, not conforming.

There's one little built close to the road. Yeah, that's the only not conformable.

Okay. And get one up there. Do you need them up there?

I don't necessarily need one. If you have extras, I'll take it. Thanks.

So one side of the photos. Oh, okay. Bigger photos. Yeah. Okay. Here.

They have been tends to own the units as he's owned many properties in the village.

Intent to continue to that with these new cells. That's the best of it right now.

Cool.

Suppose a number that is a key for an index.

I'm trying to show you the properties. There's a boat on top of the hill.

That's Noah's Ark. So I go up a wall a little bit from there. And I guess it was pre-COVID. There was work. There was some attempt to put a house up on the top or the driveway. The driveway. That's it. And What ended up happening with that?

So the driveway was basically a Charlotte Mountain where the building inspector gave me the permit. The village decided they didn't like it, so they rescinded the permit, and we battled it out, and they gave me the permit, plus a nice slice of property in the front.

So he had prevailed in the lawsuit, and he now could have the driveway.

Oh, okay. The drug is an active driveway for an existing structure or nothing on that lot.

That's going to be one of the driveway to the lot. Yeah, that's going to be one of the new structures. The biggest slide.

And are you the one to put in this wall here.

Yes. Okay. Twice.

Yeah, yeah.

Like guys that put it up, Mr. Property line. It was like right along the road protests. I moved it. Yeah. What are you going to do?

How are you thinking about why four lots, why two family? What's the thought there?

I think the code, well, from my perspective, the code permits it now. You guys revised your code to make this an allowable use of the property. So whoever created the comprehensive plan decided this is what they intended the village to be. these housing units are permitted as of right, so that's kind of, you know, doing what the village envisions, essentially.

Yeah, 100%, I like it, like, not denying those as a right thing. Mostly it's just helpful for us to think about, like, what is the, like, Oh, like, his vision for the property. Yeah, yeah, it's like, like, you know, like, like, you know, you could have done three, you could have done single family, you could have done, like, there's, like, there's a lot of different, like, legal configurations that could have been allowed here by right. I'm just curious how you landed on four, how you landed on

two two two family dwellings like what do you know I'll start for the along the street if you look at the street I think the new unit right there seems to fit in right with the street right there's you own the property and then you own the next one and then the next one just seems to fit in there and then there's a neighbor down all them are going to be pretty easily spaced out yeah well the top property is just start put one that's huge it totally deserves probably more than two i don't know what's allowed there but right he's only proposing a two family yeah um that's that's it seems to fit there if not more but um and then the adding one unit on top of that existing structure um you know as of right he rents you rent the below so he rents below so it'd be another rental i think that's that's how i see the vision you can expand you've owned it i don't own it

That's my dream. Have lots of rentals. Retire. But I don't know. I just turned 80. I don't know when to retire. Yeah. My last hurrah.

Well, it's good to stay busy. Okay. So I guess a couple of things I wanted to kind of probe with both of you. So I think you've used the word minor a couple of times here in your letter. One of the things that the board, the code I think is relatively clear about is the board is kind of compelled to classify a four lot subdivision as a major one. It's not really a discretionary thing. There's not even actually a mechanism in the code for saying, oh, let's ignore this part because the board gets discretion. So are you guys still comfortable with moving forward under going through a major subdivision?

I mean, I don't think we have a choice then. If that's the case, we'd ask you to, anything in the code that you could waive, we'd ask you to do so. We're not creating a new street here. We're not, you know, we're not, we're not creating new utilities. We're not, you know, we're not, everything is, a lot is being built on, you know, so we would, you know, twice, it's already built on twice. So, you know, we're not, you know, you know, we think it's minor in scope compared to your other projects you're probably going to see. I know this is your second one. Yeah. And this might be bigger than the prior, but it's probably going to, in the long run, it's going to be very minor. Sure.

Certainly compared with some of the stuff that may be coming.

Yeah, you can run an amount, you know, ask the utility. You know, we're not doing any of that. It's just we're taking existing R2 builds online into a lot and asking for additional structures. So, yeah. only two additional structures and, you know.

I'm curious, like, with the utilities, is there any complication you anticipate, like, running utilities up to that top lot? So, the building inspector actually asked us to put them on the site plan. So, if you take a look at the site plan, they run up the lines and that box behind you.

The architect has some ideas about how he would do it. There's multiple ways to get it done. This is the one that we landed on now. We're open for discussion. Your comments are up to me if you're coming tonight.

John, do you think it's appropriate to kind of talk about the kind of difference between a minor and a major subdivision here in terms of the process?

Yes.

Yeah, I don't think it can hurt.

um they're all the same um these are the set plans okay why don't we pull those out there's one more set yeah you want to roll the site plan out or um sure yeah why don't we why don't we use the this is a copy of the site plan i mean you can use this one okay you guys want one up there

All right, let's just throw one of them. Great printing.

Here I come. I'll help you throw it in. Which one is that? That one. Okay.

So we have a member who's joining virtually. Hilary, these are all online. You should be able to locate a digital copy and zoom in. We're looking at the site plan that has the proposed structures on it. Drawing number one of six of the site plan.

This is rock. This is Kimball coming this way.

Yeah. And this is the corner of property, right? Right. Yeah. Okay.

This version is color coded if that helps, if anybody wants.

Ah, okay. Okay. Okay.

That helps.

And that low brick wall is where? On this. On this. And about it. Yeah. Okay. So this is about where that driveway goes up this part. Okay, it's half the time.

Oh, you know what? I don't do that.

This is Okay. Okay, that the internet that with that is that basically in the same location as the existing drive. Yeah, okay, exact same spot.

Yeah, okay. And so then there's going to be a two-family house basically on top of the hill.

It's going to be down a bit because it's kind of pitched, but it'll be down, so it won't be sticking up in the sky in the middle of everything. Okay, so where's the top of the... Top of the hill is more up there. Oh, more up there, okay.

Just to give you guys an idea. He owns this. Won't be impacted at all. I don't know which. Bill. And my partner and I own the property. Oh, here. Yeah, that's his family. So there'll be no impact to them. This is the condo, right?

Way back here. Yeah.

Way back here. There should be no impact on them. Yeah, there's not, you know.

So the only people that are really neighbors would be Joe Perk and the condo. That's it. Across the street, I mean.

i mean around the corner right up kimball right right but you can't see anything there's a picture show it's a really good screening on the property we walked it today a lot of screening yeah residents are on that with driveways on that's on that block there on rock street just the house on the corner just only one driveway there right okay so this is this um i mean it's It's an unused driveway. There is a driveway that's right there, but the opposite side. It's a very small street. There's not much traffic at all. There are probably a couple of residents that are on there that use it. We've got to think about the impact.

That is the primary road of access with the exception of with the exception of Wall Street. Basically, the only way for anyone to get the Constitution or the rest of Kimball is to go Rock Street or Wall Street.

I didn't mean that there wasn't much traffic. There was traffic that definitely goes down. I meant as far as in and out of driveways on Rock Street. I don't remember there being a driveway on Rock Street.

It's just overgrown now.

Yeah, but it's not an active driveway.

Right, correct.

Just maybe to touch on that, I think six spaces are all that's required under the code. So, you know, not six cars. I can add some traffic.

This is very wide and so not too bad here. And there's no curb cut requirement. There was a curb or a sidewalk.

Yeah, that side. I know. Yeah.

Okay. So one of these does not have parking? Is there?

So... I need to figure this all out.

Yeah, you can see the proposed parking area on lot four has right in front proposed parking area. We have proposed parking area for lot...

This for the one on top of the hill in front and then.

And then these are parking spaces.

No, that's trash.

Okay.

We can walk you through the six spaces. Just give us the second. Walking down there. That's something we looked at today.

These are trash not.

Okay. Oh, no.

That says nine feet. So that must be. Where are they?

I think you have some here and some here. That's what the deal was. Now, these houses originally had no parking at all. The existing structure. Right, the existing structure. This was my mom's.

And this was... Well, we should mention you had deed to a parking lot.

Yes, I did have a deed to the parking lot. Sorry, what parking lot? Behind... So there's extra blocking if I need it. I see. I see.

Is that the access near 20? Is there parking required? No, it's between.

What's the? That's right. One per unit. One space per unit.

One space per unit.

Okay. Between Cromwell.

I know that for the business, you can demonstrate you have an agreement. Right. Can you do that for residential as well? I'm not sure off the top of my head.

Is it just one spot or is it two spots? One spot per unit.

And we do have that according to the six spaces right on the bottom left. So we have two on lot one, which are easy to see, and then four located on lot two and four, two spaces per lot.

I see. So you would designate some of the spaces on one lot for the other dwelling, is that what you think?

No, I think that has required some spaces.

I think there's a group of four spaces that are partially on lot four and partially on .

And we're turning an existing, are we turning one existing, one family into two family?

Correct.

And that one will have two as well. And that's going to have additional parking. Correct. Okay.

Question.

Martin, this is part of our purview, so it's one thing to make sure that we're... Is there, in the code, a back end? Both of Striveway... Back end.

You need to put it in and have it go back. It's already thought of in the right spot.

They're there. It's not in the code. It would be in it would be, you know, building, it would be building code, not not not not not this, you know, building code as the driveway so bad. I don't, I assume that it does, because presumably, at some point, you can't get a carpet safely. I think those My expectation is that a site plan. would include some of those details in terms of what the grade would be in order for the building inspector to say that the lots were built like, you know, buildable.

We do have the grade on here and one of these plans.

Right, Phil?

I think it is phase reading and doing is on page 306.

Like, it looks like he was when he said, and I see seven, the steepest towards the bottom of the rock string. Oh, yeah, I see the 2628. Yeah.

I mean, this is something that Will, the village engineer, will definitely review for us. So don't feel like you have to wrap your head around it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Where does that happen in the process?

Will may already be working on it. I'm not sure, but he has something he'll address.

So I think like Uh, so the village attorney has put together like a list of some items that, uh, just some additional information, clarifications, um, some additional documents that, that need to be sought. Um, I think you sent this to them just prior to the meeting. Is that right?

I didn't send it to the, uh, the Apple. Yeah. Um, but I will share with you guys, uh, just so you don't have to. Yeah. Yeah.

This one? Yes, yes. He sent it. I have a PDF. Yeah, you're more than welcome to.

Most of what this has to do with this, basically, it provides some of the clarifications that I talked about before about this being like kind of by law, classified as a major subdivision just because it's four lots. If you're doing two lots, we could do minor. But with four lots, the code just says that's what it is. It's a major subdivision. So that's subject to, it's like, its own process identified in Chapter 111. If you're curious about reading zoning code, it kind of helps to define in detail what that process looks like. So if you want to peek ahead about the things that are going to happen in that process, you can go to the Village website. Chapter 111 has a whole section on major subdivisions. So that kind of will give you some ideas about exactly what the board is going to be looking at, what the concerns that we're going to be looking at, what some of the approval and public review processes are that are around this. And so it gives you a sense of what to expect as we march forward. A lot of the other details in here, I think, are really just about providing some additional clarity, I do think, like, I appreciate all the work that you guys have done in preparing this material. You've done, yeah, you've done, you've done a great job of prepping the material in terms of, but because it is, there is just so much here, you know, there's, there's, uh, there's still some things that we need to kind of suss out.

So, um, I guess our question is, um, so the board is going to require us to go through secret. That's what this letter sounds like.

Well, not necessarily. Um, I think, in the meantime, you guys, if you guys could submit a short form EAAF.

That is requiring the short form EAAF?

Yeah, that's. So what the, you know, whatever the ultimate classification is.

Yeah, I think the like the waiver. Tom Preston- comes like a lot of the stuff that happens here it's like it happens once we have enough information to make a determination so like an example with with what you were with the with the new provision. Tom Preston- That I think it kind of identifies like hey look if the site is substantially disturbed altered or you know built built upon in the last like X number of years, then it potentially qualifies as like hey like. Tom Preston- This is already kind of gone through a process and therefore.

I think it definitely qualifies. Obviously, that was going up to 300 units, the exemption. We're going up to seven. We think we definitely qualify as exempt from secret.

We may get there. We literally just need the information in order to make the determination.

The short form is part of secret, though, so exempt and requiring it doesn't seem to compute to me.

I think there's definitely a question of whether the site is previously disturbed as far as the construction of these new dwellings goes.

Can the board make a determination on that tonight?

I don't think so. If you wanted to push that direction, then I think you basically would need you to make a well-documented, grounded argument about why this was true, right?

Well, we think that the secret, the new law is so you don't have to make that like a well-grounded, like very detailed, go through the whole EAF process.

It's a different, it's a different thing, right?

Like, like it's like a type two basically is when, when you're exempt.

You would at least agree that like somebody has to make that determination, right? Yeah, of course. And the way in which we would make a determination is with information. Right. And so without that information, we can't make a determination. If we can't make a determination, then we just do what we normally do, which is we follow the, you know, get the short form EAF and move forward.

So I'm not trying to push back on you. We'll do it. We'll do it. Okay.

Any questions? Something about some of the things from East Belvedere that came up.

Yeah. I think that like, stuff that we're going to give you a preview of stuff that we're going to be extra interested in for this kind of stuff. So like you're a longtime village resident, you know, the village, especially in recent years has really struggled with stormwater. So, uh, you know, stormwater of the military attorneys, uh, view of this and, and our, our kind of like view on this in terms of stewards of, uh, of the village. So, um, That's just going to be an area of focus. So we'll ask questions about that. We'll make sure we'll want the village engineer to kind of help us understand exactly like, okay, what are the risks here for a 25 year storm, a 50 year storm, whatever the standards are that people apply to this, we're going to want to understand that.

factors are on the lot to make sure that you know we're not we're not increasing the the the risks of flooding for the village yeah two things at first we don't believe we're part we need to go through secret but second of all zero net runoff we submitted a drainage plan um and if it's not zero net runoff you let us know and we'll fix it um but that is also page three that's the drainage plan from the architect our plan is going to be for zero never um So, I thought... It's definitely under two acres, so Jamie, no stormwater prevention plan required, I believe, right?

I guess the one thing that I was not sure about on that stormwater prevention, because I thought that it was under a one-year storm. We're not in any flood zone at all, I don't believe.

Sorry, what is that? I could be wrong.

We're not in any FEMA flood... We actually brought the village flood map.

It's not about whether it's in a flood plan or not. It's really about if you're running scenarios for stormwater runoff, you can run it at a different year storm cadence. You can do it at one year, you can do it at five year, 10 year, 50 year. And those are all like basically engineered expectations, but like, what's the worst storm we could reasonably expect in this amount of time? And how will that handle it? I thought, and I could be misremembering, but I thought the stormwater analysis that was done was for a one year storm.

Oh, for the one we submitted? Yeah. Well, you guys want how many years?

I mean, John, not John, Will can probably provide guidance, but I think we've done 25 at least.

Yeah, I don't even remember what we did last time. I think anything to do with drainage, it's probably more productive to have Will here.

Yeah, that's fair. So if you guys want guidance, before spending money on asking them to redo it, we can get guidance from Will on what will be actually sufficient to understand what the drainage will be like on the lot.

Yeah, that's one. Honestly, I'm not an engineer either, so it's a one-year, two-hour, zero increase in runoff. But that was the design of the storm. I have no idea what that means. Except that there'll be no runoff. But yeah. All right. So that's fine. We did bring the flood map outside it. No, no.

I believe you're outside of the floodplain. Mostly the thing that we're all worried about is basically we're at the bottom of this basically rock catch basin that comes down the valley, right? So like, you know, that's When we have bigger ends of it's like, y'all come to them. You've been here long enough to know how bad it, how bad it can actually, it was worse before. Yeah.

It's very slick. Very steep. Yeah. There was some blasting and stuff to kind of level it out.

Yeah. And I think that when you're asking about the building sector, you met with your architect and he, he designed these catch basins, um, on the third, on the third page again, um, thousand gallon dry. Brian Wells, I think. Yeah, I think that's what they were. So the building affected a comment on that. And we did think Bill did work with his architect on that.

Right. There's a house right there at rock and Kimball that I noticed had put up this sandbag that that cold that whatever is underneath the road there.

It doesn't do it doesn't do as good of a job as it should actually you get you get standing water there at the corner for whatever reason.

I don't know why. You know why? There was a water main leak and it was not quite in the middle of the winter. It was pretty much into the winter and a bunch of guys came out and they dug the whole street up and when they finished, when they filled it in, they left a depression. Prior to that, There was no standing order, I see.

Is Hillary still on? Yeah. Okay. Hillary, do you have any questions for the applicant?

No, I'm afraid I don't. In my Kathleen Turner voice, no, I do not.

Okay. All right. Well, I hope you feel better. Thank you. Our fourth member is homesick today. All right. So I think what I'm going to recommend is I think that you guys take the feedback from the village attorney and uh, either provide this stuff that is missing or at least like addresses that we're like, maybe write a comment or something, but just so we can, when we come back, um, we can, we can make progress from where we are now, which is basically getting, getting to what we consider a complete application. And then, um, and then we can continue on.

So show between the engineering attorney and me, we'll be able to essentially.

Awesome. For a complete application, we just need to make these three bullet points?

That would be a start. The complete application is to be determined by the planning board.

I think it would be, from our perspective, there's a number of points through this. I think at least providing comment about them so that we can have a discussion, if not material, if not updates to what's there. These are all like, everything that's been kind of identified here are things that we're going to be asking about. And like, if you can imagine, like the purpose of these of these workshops is to basically get everything buttoned up before we go to public hearings. So we're not doing this, having these conversations in the public hearing, so that we can prevent present, you know, present a clear and crisp understanding to the village about like, what's what's happening. So that's cool.

Well, last question. Yeah. Yeah. You serve it. So you need the tree survey, a vendor in water and surf actions. I think they're on there. I didn't look at it. And confirmation from who that all the application forms fees and escrow depositors. Who do we get that from, from you guys?

Yeah. So So as of right now, the building inspector only referred you for subdivision approval, and I don't want to speculate on his thinking in that regard, but you definitely need site plan approval for the two new two-family dwellings, and as well as a special use permit for the conversion from a one-family to a two-family.

Okay. Any questions?

Any more questions for us? No, I think, like I said, this is a process. We're going to go through it together, and it takes the time it takes, but I think we're invested in trying to help this be a thing. That's what we're here for, is to facilitate that. It's just about finding the right instantiation with the right documentation and the right assurances for what the village wants for itself.

Is your thought... Once you have approval to start building all of them right away. Okay. Yes. Not getting any, you have I'm I'm just thinking about the disruption, the neighbors, just the guy that's going to do the building is Ron's name construction.

You put so positive, so fast, you walk down the block and next day it comes up. Unbelievable.

This is the first that we're seeing that like ForgeGate is going to be one of the sites that are adjacent to where you are. How does that get dealt with? I think for them, the only units that are, you know, up against where they're going to be having it is the owner of the condominium complex.

We'll have the same public hearing notice requirements. or any public hearings we have for the subdivisions we do for any other public hearing we have, which is notified the... That's what I'm wondering.

Does everyone in Forgegate get a say, or is it just...

They'll get a note about it. Theoretically, anyone in the village can have a say, but in terms of making sure they're aware that this is a thing that's happening...

They will be aware. That's the whole thing. It's a whole... Yeah. You know, the marathon battery thing.

The next question is just will every unit owner get a notice now?

They're individually owned. So it's only going to be the ones that bought up against probably 300 feet, right?

I don't remember what the radius is. All right. That's not that big a deal for you right now, but it will be something. I'm just wondering out loud if that's going to be an issue.

It doesn't since Your property goes way back there and you're only building here. This is going to be undisturbed.

Well, it's still a lot of creation.

Yeah. But I mean, I know from somebody at Village Gate today that a grousing about water flow off of. Oh, sure.

Yeah. I think. Yeah. I mean, the. That is a factor. And I think how they should think about how we will think about their comments and how they should think about their comment. But in terms of the proximity to the lot that's being changed, like it doesn't really change who should be notified.

Okay.

Yeah. Okay. So I think the next thing is because I don't want to necessarily presume that you're on timeline. It's not like you're motivated to move quickly. So I'm going to assume that there's at least a possibility you'll get this stuff back to us by the next time we could meet.

I think he's gonna have to find a guy to do a tree survey, identify every tree on there. Okay. That seems very expensive and take a lot of time. Plus he's got to get architecturals, you know, I think at least a month, right?

Okay. The other thing I would mention too is it's in my memo, but I think based on the current plans, you do need a few variances. So maybe start to think about whether you want to modify the plans or to the cba for those variances and the bulk tables incorrect well i think there's a few things that are um just not in the bulk table for example the the driveway is shown with a width of 9.67 feet 10. parking can't be forward of the front plane of a building and it is for the building on lot four um block four doesn't have Lot 3 doesn't have any parking proposed.

Those are the ones that had no parking before.

It's in the memo.

The challenge is that I think the one that didn't have parking before is the one you're converting from a single family to a two family.

Lot 3, the one he just mentioned, is not being touched. So you think we need a variance for that one? Yeah.

the no parking you might you might okay because i mean there there is a driveway there now i it sounds like nobody parks in it um i think there was a spot there previously uh where a car was eliminated the change would eliminate an existing parking possibly i mean maybe there was never parking i'm not sure but that would be up to the applicant which one you're not touching on three existing oh yeah there was never any parking that was my mom's house right but the property as a whole right now i believe does or did have some amount of parking a couple of people would pop up the driveway a little bit that's it leave the driveway right so you'd be taking away parking from the the home that's going to be on lot three you'd be creating a new non-conformity

Well, I think there's paths to pursuing the variances. There's also small changes to the plan. As an example, I think one of the corner ones has parking that is technically in front of the front plane of the structure. So that's just clearly not aligned with the requirements of... So that's something you could adjust. You could move it behind the front plane of the house, right? So those are kinds of things that I think are worth thinking about because the variance path is also challenging because you don't know if you're going to get it. And let's come back to you guys if we don't. Yeah. So I think we want to try to be good partners here on what is an efficient path through the code as it stands. I think Jonathan's point about the things that I've noted that may need variances, it would be better for you to know that as soon as possible so you could either shift the plan in order to not need the variance or to start the process of requesting.

Yeah, I mean, I think the biggest one is going to be that lot four doesn't

Meaning no direct access as in the driveway doesn't count, you're saying?

Well, it doesn't count because it goes across another property. And the code in Village Law 7-7-36 both require that you have direct access to a public street.

Oh, because it's an easement. You can't use an easement. Okay. The code just doesn't permit easements for a lot in the back?

Well, the code in New York State Village Law

I guess it permits the easement, but it's not sufficient to meet the requirement for street access.

Okay. It's the major village law.

Okay. All right. You had mentioned emergency services having access.

Yeah. I mean, I think that's probably something that will come a little bit further down the radius of the turn, that that could be an issue. For the applicant, that might be something where you want to approach the fire department early in the game and get their thoughts on that.

I'm curious, Jonathan, just hypothetically, given that we've already established this as a major subdivision, if they just said that that was now a road, would that I mean, they can create roads as part of a subdivision.

They could, but it would have to be, it would have to conform with the road standards.

Did you have this proposal?

That was the thing that I was mulling over in my own head. I was trying to figure out what the difference between a driveway and a street was. I wasn't actually sure. What is the difference between a driveway and a street? Obviously, there's such different things, but if I make a If I make, I can imagine making a like, not this one, but an arbitrary subdivision where I essentially make driveways that function as streets. Yeah, I mean, yeah, that is true.

If you were to make the driveway the same as the requirements for a public street, then the easement would be an issue. But usually to make a private road comply with public street standards is very difficult. Yeah.

Okay, so it sounds like there's some stuff to work through. What I suggest is that as you get confident in new items, probably good to release them as you can, just so we can take a look at them early. But I think what we're going to wait for is Just an indication from you that you feel like you're ready to kind of come back and have V2 of this conversation to try to get to like, I feel like we're in a complete application scenario.

Yeah, I mean, he's got to go back to architect and go through all these expenses and see, you know, what makes sense now, knowing all this is required.

I do recommend you review Chapter 111. Because I think that, like, I don't want you to be surprised by what is in the major subdivision requirements.

And I think the site plan criteria will have a lot of overlap with the subdivision requirements, but the special use permit is going to have its own set of criteria to be

And you guys do the special use permit in this board? Yeah. Okay. And that's conversions from single to two family? Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, it is kind of an unusual provision that you can have a new two family with just site plan approval, but if you want to convert, then you need a special use permit. I get it. Okay.

Can that be one hearing or would it be separate public hearings or how do you guys do it? I'm not. Okay. Yeah.

My guess is that like, The process to approve that conversion is likely to be much, much shorter than the process to do a major subdivision. So it's possible definitely a path you want to go down, then it's probably good to get that application in sooner than later. If you have that confidence, then I think that's something we could work on.

I think, yeah, we'll get by next month all of these applications at least in. Okay. But we'll talk to our architect about it. all these requirements. Awesome.

Thank you both for both the effort and the time. And we look forward to working with you over the coming months.

Thank you very much.

Thanks, everyone. Thank you. Good luck.

Thank you very much. Thank you. Thanks. Nice to meet you. Thank you.

This one, this one. And don't forget, there will be multiple.

Do we want to hold on to those, or is that something that? Sorry, what?

I think these are ours to begin with.

They are, okay. So these other two will go right back in there. Okay. All right. This one came out of that box. This one going in. Okay. All right. Great. Okay. Thank you.

You prefer Bill or William?

Bill's fine.

Bill. All right. Well, it's good meeting you, Bill.

Have a lovely evening. Don't call me late for dinner.

Okay. All right. All right. Take care. Take care.

Thanks again.

All right. Unless someone else has anything else, I think I'll make a motion to adjourn for the evening. We'll second that motion.

Yeah. All in favor? Yes.

All right.

Okay. Wow.

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