Historic District Review Board - Regular Meeting

I'm going to be running the meeting tonight. The first item on the agenda is 49th Street. Is anybody here for 49th Street?

You can sit there.

How do you feel?

Is it less intimidating? There's other options. So this, as far as we understand, is an application for a steel sign, projecting sign. new lighting and a new front door and the hardware on the door. Do you want to just tell us a little bit about what you guys are proposing?

Yeah. So yeah, so I can get through it. So opening restaurant, I don't know if you want me to talk about the project in general or just the facade stuff. The front doesn't need that much work. There's already a blade sign arm on the door. So I assume it was approved to have a sign like that in the past at some point. Maybe that's a wrong assumption, or that's why it's not there anymore.

So there's an existing armature. Arm, yeah. And you're maintaining the same one you're not replacing it?

I think we're going to replace it. It's just going to be in the same exact location that the arm exists now. It's just like kind of a more flimsy older arm. And it's a single arm. So I think we're going to add a second arm to the bottom. But it'll be the same type of hanging in terms of coming out into the sidewalk. And then the door there now is just kind of, like, flimsy and old. So we'll just replace it in this nice sort of our gold. We have this door that we found that's, like, going to be refurbished. And then the window is just, like, painting around the trim. And then I think the lighting, I think my designers wrote, like, just, I think there is a sconce there right now. So what's up?

But right where the sign.

So in an ideal, in a perfect world, just relocating the sconce and having it be a different one. But obviously, those are inflexible and all those things, just about making sure that the sign is possible. And door really is a big thing, because the one there is not going to work.

And this is the door that is existing now? Is it a metal door or a wooden door? I think it's a chunky. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, these were not included. And so this is a salvage store that you guys found? Yeah. And do you have any details of the hardware that you're proposing?

I do in a big packet of itemized stuff to buy. That wasn't on the list to bring today, so I can get that for you. Some of the things, like the guy who is going to do it, my contractor, these things are waiting slightly until... I guess it's my first time doing it here, so there's a little bit of chicken or egg element to it. Some of the stuff can't be signed for the contractors until I get the building permit, so they can... officially make the bid. And that includes a timeline for build. So I'm kind of just seeing through as much of the town stuff as I can to give to him to be able to see. I'm not really sure which thing you need first to happen. Like, can I see through this whole process before getting you some of those details?

Well, one of the things that we do review is lighting. And I think that we could not issue as of today until we see press sheets that we have heard.

I have those. Can I send those along? Because I don't have them here. Is it possible to send them without?

How close do they are?

Yeah. Is this an accurate representation? Yeah. It is the piece that has been superimposed on the door? It is.

Don't own the pieces yet, though.

So it's a globe light with a metal, a pretty simple metal armature that's that do you happen to know the rough dimensions? Obviously it's less than the sign.

Right. I do not. I can get this.

Yeah. Yeah.

And we, with renderings, I mean, it is so easy for the light to accidentally be cut in half when you're putting it on here. So I just.

In terms of that, it may be bigger than that.

Yeah. I think we need the real spec for that. I'm also just quickly flipping through our guides. I thought we could download. Is that a fixture work for lighting or fixture welding requirements?

I'm not, I mean, unless it's in our standards, I'm not necessarily opposed to that since it's below the sign and would help illuminate the sign. I mean, I think I like the idea of a reclaimed door. It's a wood frame door with a single pane of glass, correct? Yeah. So in theory, at least visually, like all of this looks good to me. I think it's just the details to have formal approval.

Yeah. Like kind of specifically this A bar across the door. That's a very unique thing. So it's good to see.

Yeah. I mean, like right now the door is in its raw state of the door that's reclaimed, right? So all of that hasn't been fixed yet, obviously.

Yeah.

Okay.

And the window, nothing is so, the signage, you were going to have a simple type on the door, glass, and then a blade sign above. And there's nothing in the glass window is staying the glass window. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

We like to sort of just thumbnail into a nice, warm, inviting place.

And that's the, and that is the vinyl sign, is the lettering on it?

Yes.

Or is it the panel?

No, that, no, that panel.

That's a curtain.

Yeah. Okay, great.

So Kate was checking on the light. Yeah, there's a hyperlink. That's interesting. Well, I think we could probably look. I mean, you could also review the lighting standards, but we could probably look into that for you and just send that to you. But I think what we would need to see would be the lighting specs. And maybe just the dimensions for the vinyl on the door. That would be it.

Okay. So like size of font. Yeah. Okay. Sorry. Some of this was, I started this project with Abigail and then she left. And so some of the checklists she gave me wasn't full. And so, you know, it's hard to know, but I will get this all for you.

I know. It's been a little funny with the transition.

I just want to make sure I get you everything you need.

I think the three of us are saying in general, this looks appropriate. And then it's just confirming that with these specifications. So the armature for the sign, the light, the door, the door hardware. Is the door, the size of it, is it matched to the existing opening? Are you having to like fur in... the frame or anything like that? Yeah.

That was something we talked about in the past. Yeah, no, we're going to alter the door to fit it. The door was bigger.

Perfect. Okay.

That should be awesome. Okay. Mm-hmm.

And what do we say about the downward light? It's okay, how do you think? Or should I find a stack? Or should I find something tight?

I can't, I'm not able to get it. Why don't you go ahead pursuing this? And if, can I have your email?

Or if there's like an easy downward oriented, I'll turn it off. I just want to in case you don't hear.

We'll email you in case there's a problem with it. We need a stack though. But we do need the stack.

Yeah. And the spec is the?

Like a catalog cut sheet that has dimensions. So I have, yes.

OK. Wherever you order it, we'll have that.

Yeah, those websites. Yeah, I know.

My designer sent me the whole booklet of things to purchase, every little fixture, like a set. So I'll just parse it out of that. Yeah.

So our next monthly meeting will be October, third Tuesday of October. So if you come with all of those materials, the three of us will be here. Well, you'll be, well, we're, yeah.

I mean, I might, I can try to soon.

If you send the catalog cuts and stuff by email, we can look at those.

And do you know if the building permit, just, it's new to me, right? So I went in front of the planning board, that was all approved, referrals said yes. Is that waiting on, will this need to conclude first also, or are they separate issues because one's interior, one's exterior?

Marjorie, do you know the answer? Yeah, what is the... Will the building permit not be issued until...

If you have two permits for the exterior and interior, it's just one package that you submitted to the building permit.

I believe you're building permits waiting on a certificate of appropriateness from the HDRB, but also the parking waivers resolution from the planning board.

So I didn't know if the parking was resolved.

We haven't received the resolution and the resolution gets attached when they issue the building permit. So they wouldn't issue the building permit until they have the planning board resolution on the parking waivers.

Yeah.

Because they don't want you to go ahead and start if there's an issue with the parking.

Right, right. And so, yeah, I just didn't know if it was then tied to this because this is such a separate issue, but both elements are required for the building.

Do you know the track for his parking? Is that? Is that known sort of when he should be receiving that? Is that basically wrapped up?

That's what I was wondering.

I had a brief discussion with Tyler earlier. I have not been the building department clerk, so I'm the village clerk, right? So I will call the attorney because I believe the attorney is writing the resolution that has already been approved. by the planning board. That's my understanding.

Yeah, they settled on like a number of spaces to then suggest like referral to say yes to or whatever.

Just pass the resolution, you pay for your parking waivers and get your building permit. Yeah.

Can we, because he can't get the permit again until we also approve it, right? That's correct. So for his timeline, since we're I do this every time, and it's like, can we do this or not? But we're seeing these images. It all looks correct. If the specs match what we're seeing and we're comfortable with it, can we provisionally approve it here so that he can expedite this? And if the light isn't a go, then at least he can wire port and we can take a look at the light. That won't slow you down.

Yeah, that would be my perfect world, just because I'm paying rent on a space every month that I can't touch. You know, if it's just for lighting, but I'll do whatever I have to do, obviously.

I would recommend that you send in those specs, ASAP, and then you stamp the, you know, you'll make a stipulation in this meeting that with these provisions, you will issue your certificate of appropriateness. So then you would, Tyler, you would send in whatever missing elements, the images and the spec sheet on the On the lighting.

Another option is just removing the light from us.

I think it doesn't take so long if you know exactly.

If your designer knows what they want, all they have to do is download it. Yes. And then you would issue a letter. Your letter. And stamp the plan.

Their letter. I just want to make sure I have all the docs I need.

No, don't try plagiarizing. So then the HDRB portion will be closed. And then it's for the planning board's attorney will write, or perhaps has written. They've been busy with other things. And so you might be just waiting on that to happen. And then the planning board's chair will sign the resolution. as agreed and then both of those elements will get attached sent up to the building department and you'll be issued your building permit and then you'll do the work and then it will need to be inspected right and then after the inspection you'll get your certificate of and we can all eat good food. Thank you.

Just a couple quick questions. The handle on the door, is it the steel where it's shown as being black and then like a chrome or nickel or something on the end brackets? Is that correct?

It's correct. I mean, I'm realizing now I don't know what these materials are. They sent me a whole spec sheet, and I didn't memorize those things, and I didn't know that I would need that for this, but it makes sense, obviously, that I would. So let me get that for you.

I mean, assuming that is... Yeah, as long as it's dark and as long as it's metal. And kind of the same goes for the light. I think one thing, as far as the glass globes, it is going to be... pointing upward. I think a frosted glass bulb would probably be preferable, less harsh on the eyes.

So is there a motion to provisionally approve the application as described pending receipt of the additional specifications?

I primarily approve this application, pending approval of applications that will be submitted by email. Great. Yeah.

I'll second.

All in favor? Aye.

Aye.

Cool.

Can I ask a question? Please. What kind of restaurant?

Italian. I'm an Italian citizen. My family's from Italy. But, like, we're going to be milling all them counting from the table yeah great cool awesome like my passion is like northeast wheats stone milling um for bread and pasta so we did it's cool i like it just hopefully it'll yeah you guys will it's it's not your typical uh thing but it's like more flavorful and better for you you know the signal fire they create i love them yeah yeah we have some cross i used to I don't know if you know Blue Hill at Stone Barns. I ran the bread program there. So there's some crossover with like the Signal Fire people and they're doing that similar thing that I love. So they're great. Yeah.

Well, welcome.

Yeah.

We're excited.

Yeah. We had the original towns like we used to live in a city and we just sort of isolated. We'd come up here on the weekends with a train and we're just like, we need to move up here. Yeah. Great.

Welcome. Yeah. Yeah. So just send us the stuff by email and we'll We will then do the feedback.

Thank you. This is nothing.

Do we have people for 13 person street? The application for solar, right? Hi, guys. Thanks for having us tonight. Hi, how are you guys doing about that building? Yes, did you include an overall photo of the building so we can see?

Yeah, I can start sharing my screen and I have some stuff already prepared here. Oh, unfortunately, unfortunately, the host disabled. the ability for me to screen share according to Zoom.

Yeah, give us a second.

Okay, great.

I want to request to share your screen.

Okay. Oh, yep, that seemed to work. Wonderful. Thank you. So here's an overall picture of what it'll look on the actual property. And then we also included in the packet to you a site plan that has the specs and the layout, the distances from edge to edge of the rooftop. I figured you guys might be interested in the conduit run as well. This is the conduit run. We always keep that as neat as possible.

Going straight down that side. Okay.

This is the rear. Is this the street? No, this is the rear roof. Correct.

Correct. Correct. This is the rear roof, not the front roof.

Yeah. You wouldn't be able to see it from the road.

Okay.

Correct.

And are any of these panels visible from the street or any street?

No. No, they will not be visible from the street.

So the conduit is running down the... It's a secondary facade, but is it a which cardinal direction is that facade?

That would be the west side, correct.

So it's coming down on the rear of the building, going over, over the roof, down the side, over the other roof, then hitting the ground and going across to the panel, which will be visible from the street, but it is pretty minimally visible.

Yes.

Because if they ran the condiment the other way, then it would be right directly on the front of the house.

I don't have any questions about this.

The condiment run is not on these drawings, I don't think. But we can just note it, right?

Yeah, can you go back to that? Because we do need to show it on the plan. Or is that in your packet?

It would be on the actual plan set. I believe we put it in there.

Yeah, it's on the plan set that I signed with the customer as well. Right here is a signed site plan that the customer signed off on as well.

Oh, just want to draw on a plan. It's like, it's a diagram.

Oh, yeah. Could you send us that diagram as part of your application so that we can Yeah, we get that over to you.

I could see where it's not on the action stamp.

It's not on PV to which is where it Okay, then

For our knowledge, moving forward you, you would prefer us to at least have either a on the actual plan set paper here, or at least a picture of it on TV to correct.

I think the visual you showed it makes sense because the plan won't show the elevation so. I mean, ideally, we'd like to see an elevation.

Ideally, an elevation. But if not an elevation, I think as many photographs of the property from different angles would be also helpful. That way, while we're talking about it, if we need to reference something, we can find it in the image.

So can we just have this west elevation, if they can just take a clean shot of it and then just draw a line? Yeah. To me, this image does what's needed. Can I just send this?

Yeah. Can you email this to us, like, right now?

Yeah. Great. Yeah. What's your best email?

B-C-Clerk.

B-C-S-Clerk. At coldspringny.gov.

Cold.

That would make more sense.

I can go print these out.

OK. Great.

I need just one.

Just one? Yeah, for Lawrence.

A motion to approve the application as submitted. Including the conduit image.

All in favor? Aye. Okay. Your application is approved.

Thank you so much, guys. Thank you for your time.

Now, do you happen to know how long from now until when the building department will issue the permit would be?

You'll submit. We are going to type up our C of A. Our care is away at the moment, so there's going to be a tiny little bit of lag, but it should be done by the weekend, and then we send it to the building department. I don't know.

I can't speak to the building department. When we send it to you, we'll send it to you and them at the same time, right? You'll be in the same email.

Okay, that'll be perfect. And like I said, that COA, you'll definitely have. I haven't heard back from the homeowner, but you'll definitely have it. And I'm getting ready to send out monies to you. So thank you, guys.

Thank you. Thanks again, guys. Have a great night.

Thank you. Bye-bye. 138 Main Street here.

138, 140.

And it was, I think that was a workshop, kind of a workshop that was on in August. So I did email, I don't know the names, but I emailed to see if they wanted to.

Oh, columns. Oh, right. Yeah. Yeah.

They wanted to come tonight.

And they were, when we met last in September, they, they said they were going to come tonight. I thought, They're not here.

But they don't have, as you said, they don't have a formal application yet. So we're still in the workshop. Unless they don't really submit something.

Got it.

Lucky Cats.

Do you want to just put it over until October?

Yeah. Okay. Is 72 to 76 Main Street here, Lucky Cats Guild? Mm-hmm. I'm here.

I'm here. Sorry. I was informed of this. I was not able to get the application. We're not really. So the only thing we have currently is a sign. It's not a fixed. It's sitting on top of the brick wall. Right. It just sits there. It's not a fixed or anything. We have not decided what we want to do for a sign yet. We're not even sure if we're going to, we had one that was hanging above the front door. We removed that and put it over. So what I was, you know, basically submit something for the next meeting. If we decide to do something,

for an exterior sign.

Yeah.

You'd prefer to come back next month once you have a little more time to come up with a concrete plan?

Can I just weigh in? Hi, David. This is Marjorie. We spoke earlier. Yes. So originally... sign above the door that was submitted to the hdrb for approval but today david didn't realize he was on me so i went across the street and these are actual photos that i snapped today um thank you thank you thank you thank you marjorie you're welcome so um those show that's there is a uh I guess, is that a vinyl applied sign of the cat on the glass door, David?

No, that was hand-painted.

Hand-painted of the cat. And then that is the sign that is mounted on the brick, half-brick wall.

So it's not mounted. It just sits there.

Yeah.

So that sign just sits there. We can take it down when we're not there. You know, for the next month until we meet with you guys. It can come down when we're not open. We just kind of put it up there so people know there's a differentiation between the garden, between the French restaurant and us. There's been some confusion with people just sitting in the gardens.

I think if you, at least in my perspective, if you anticipate If you can tell us that you will be at the next month's meeting with a plan for the signage to formally submit, then I don't have any issue with that signage staying where it is until the October meeting.

I think we have to be strict about October because we've run into... Issues. Yeah, we've run into people putting signs up for longer than we've...

I hear you. We will be definitely there. I was the mayor of Tannersville and I was the head of the planning board. So I'm very familiar with all this. I will be there on October and we will have a concrete plan on what we're going to do for an exterior side.

Great. Okay. And we, I mean, I think you heard with the other applicants, but we'll just make dimensions, materials, locations, ideally some kind of elevation, which could be...

Even I think just a more zoomed out kind of photo of the first would probably be okay, right?

All right. I did take one of those. I think I have one too, yeah. Yeah, so as long as we know the materials and the dimensions and how they would be affixed, et cetera, that's what you should have.

Perfect, not a problem.

All right. Cool. So we will see you in October.

All right. Thank you guys so much, and I'm sorry we weren't more prepared for tonight.

It's okay. Thank you.

Okay. Thank you. I also want to say the Village and everybody's been great with us. The turnout has been amazing, and we really appreciate it.

We're so happy you're here. Thank you, guys.

All right. Thank you. Good night.

Do we need a notice of a temporary time? Yeah, I think you should just like, yeah. For one month.

All good? Am I all good to leave?

You're all good.

Send me that application that I sent you though.

I will. I tried my best.

Thank you.

Okay. Yep. Bye.

Bye. Yeah, do we need to vote on it if we're sending a motion? I mean, if we're sending a notice for a temporary sign? You should probably make a decision. Do we have a motion?

I would move to accept the temporary signage until the October meeting.

Yeah, no longer then. The unfixed.

The unfixed temporary signage until the October meeting. Okay. Second. Second.

All in favor? Aye. Aye. Okay. 10 Stone Street. Hi. So this application is to install a new standing metal roof? Yes. Okay.

Just so that board members are aware, it was the chimney issue on this property, and the permit has been issued for the chimney repair.

OK. Repair. Right? Do you want to describe the project?

Sure. I'll do this, I guess. We've been there for 16 years. We know the person we bought the house from hadn't made any limited repairs, if any. There was a fire at the house in the 70s and most of the house was burned. The remaining of the original house is our basement. The foundation, supposedly. The house was getting to what the roof is about. The roof was probably installed sometime in the 90s, at the earliest. So it's gotta be over 20, it's when we were gonna, it's gotta be at least 26 years old. So our intention to do with the house and why we went with this stainless, well, we're hoping to go with a stainless steel roof is because of, I'm not gonna make a lot. My wife and I have a 10 year age difference. So if my wife is intending to stay in the house, we're looking forward.

Yeah.

My wife's going to stay in the house. My wife said, hey, look, you know, if I'm staying in the house, if the kids like to stay here, maybe they can take the house. So that's why we figured, all right, look, you know what? We'll pay the most right now. We'll get the steel roof out of the way. They don't have to worry about it. The replacement of a roof, the roof is taken care of. That would be something that lasts through her. It'll last, certainly for me, it'll last through her. And then the kids, eventually they'll have to replace something. But right now, to give them enough longevity, that's what we're doing. And we also like the appeal of it, the way it may look. We noticed that some of our other neighbors have something similar, and it makes it really nice. And I think that raises the look of the neighborhood, make the neighborhood look better.

The only thing maybe I'm missing it. Okay. So I'm not seeing like a detail of Oh, this, this is it.

Wait, where am I? We want to do a standing seam roof, not architectural shingles, right?

No, it's the same. Right now it's an asphalt shingle.

Right.

And we're going to sand it to a standing seamless roof.

Okay.

And we're adding aluminum gutters with a six inch round gutter, or made of aluminum.

Do you have... Um, a document that shows what that is similar to this, but for the standing theme roof.

No, I, uh, I can only say some money in the nice book, but I probably have the contract. I'm pretty sure I have it on, even on my phone. I can look it up.

Like you've agreed on what to put in.

Yeah, we, we always, we, we saw the construct already, but, uh, Oh, well, for the board. Okay.

Can you give a picture of what the... I think we're interested in what the scenes look like. Oh, that. We're interested in the profile. We're interested in how deep it is, what it looks like on... Yeah, I don't think... Because there are many different kinds of standing scene metal roofs. Yeah, I understand. I think we're interested in probably the most minimal profile for the scenes.

Right, I would think it would be because we had told we want anything to really pop or anything. We just kind of went with everybody. And that's about it, really.

I think your contractor could send you or send us just what, like, just a page or so that shows that from, because usually, I think, where we just, like the light in the earlier application, usually you can just download a page or two online, like the specification, and it will give those required, it will talk It will help tell us how high the seams are and how frequent they are. Okay.

So I'm going to try to remember this. I got some issues. I got cognitive issues. So I'll try to remember what you're asking me for. And I thought, well, hopefully he remembers.

Each of the metal seams kind of does like this. So we want to know what this looks like. They gave you the spec sheet on the shingles, but not on the... Yeah, so I think we need to see... Basically, we don't have... really any visual information on the proposed roof right now?

Instead of this page, which is for the shingles, it would be something like this for the metal roof.

Right. Break that out. So if you tell them you need that for your specific seam. If you just say, I need a specification, I need this, but for my standing seam, that's great.

Specification on that.

For standing seam and for gutter. And we can write it for you to send to him if you need to.

Okay, thank you.

This is not in the middle. We just don't have any visual information. We need something in order to do an approval. So I think we'll, if you could send us the information and then come back to the next meeting.

Yeah, so that'll be October. The 30th day of the month.

The earlier you send us that, if we have any questions, we can communicate before then. I mean, we'll have to do the approval at the next monthly meeting. October 20th.

Okay. Specification. Specification. That's fine. That's easy to remember. Do you want to write it down on there? Yeah, if I could.

Thank you.

Specification. notification.

Metal and gutter.

Oh, it's fine. And October 20.

Of that that should show the dimensions of the file, but I will send it as soon as I get an email.

Thank you. Thank you. We'll see you at the next meeting.

Thank you very much. Thank you. Have a good day, ladies.

Oh, we don't, they're not on there yet that we all have there. 55 minutes straight. The last time. Yeah. So,

You want to document say you want to like a schematics. This is all he would give me.

So last meeting. Doug's preference is we've given him. We had talked about a couple paths forward for those two windows. One was basically putting a new double hung window, the same size, but blanking out the bottom. Um, the other option was removing what's there and installing a awning window to match the size of the original top light of the windows. That is what he would like to go forward with. Yeah. So do you want to look at that in general? Well, that I have.

That I brought last time, right? Yeah. Somebody wanted, oh, this is all set up.

Oh, here we go. Okay. The last, the last page.

So basically they're talking about putting an awning, pillow window, And the top, but which one?

Like, what did I have last time? I had more documentation. I thought you with the Oh, none of the stuff is on the website for currently sent anything. See, let me try to find

What's in that packet? Nothing?

So somebody wanted specs on the actual window, right? That line of window. This is all the power representative would give me. I know it's very general. It doesn't say much. I think the only problem was somebody had a problem with the bottom of the window.

Al was very, okay, so where's my pen? um all of this you know the the here's a here's an image of the building now yeah we can see several hung one over one yes and so basically let's see if i have a better

The Wi Fi when you're trying to pick up the Wi Fi.

It's VCSP WEN or something. WEN? Yes, that one.

It doesn't? I'm sorry. No, it might have had the last month's stuff. Yeah, it felt a little. Good.

Well, we can see the other windows here.

Yeah. What's happening here, we're all familiar with it, correct? OK. So this, all of the framework is going away. Let's call it roughly here, the midpoint. Yes. On the other window. Which is where the other window is, exactly. the awning window is going to be installed right there, from this wood to that wood, the original opening. Al was very concerned with what this bottom detail was going to look like. I was not as concerned about that because it's an awning window, which is going to open from the top like that. So from a weatherproofing perspective, there doesn't need to necessarily even be a sill. it's in you know i know you guys you might have a different opinion but i don't think that there needs to be some kind of protruding necessarily to make it look well but there isn't anything over there right it would just be a meeting rail so in in a way you it would sort of be preferable to not because it would read as planes that are very kind of close together then right rather than have like a So, so you felt pretty confident that once this was all removed that you would not need anything across the bottom out.

What goes here.

Yeah, this is painted.

This is going to remain solid. It will be this plywood.

It doesn't look like that now. Yeah, the color of the house.

Yeah, you can. I mean, you can kind of It's this is this is the image from before the reclaim that was done, where the bottom was infilled, which is essentially how that is going to read once this one is painted out, but with an awning window in that opening.

Right, but we don't have an image of the audience. Maybe we get Last month.

Last month, we can pull it up and you know You probably submitted it by email, right?

No, I just brought it in here.

Oh.

If I had internet, I can bring it up. I'm connected for some reason. But I thought I had submitted internet pictures of them. I didn't just show you on my phone.

Yeah.

So I thought I left them behind. You have an email from him?

I have an email from Pella.

I can just borrow the computer.

Yeah, because my computer doesn't... I'm just using it for notes. I don't have internet access right now, but I did... I had tried to link it to my phone before, and it was low, but it's all working.

I'm sorry. I really thought that I left those behind here.

I think he's trying to get them right now, actually.

While we're waiting, you know those metal posts?

Yeah.

I don't know if you noticed, but I took care of those.

Nice.

Yeah, do you like burnish it or use some kind of metal decal like paint?

I used a few different colors of paint. Is it still open?

I mean, for me, it was, but like, is that still an open item? So I don't know, for some reason,

It's like it's logging me in fine, but I must have had it saved.

She's looking. Or just something like that.

Wait, can I look up at the, oh, ah, who knew?

You can look at the, you can see about, you can look at that.

I can't remember what I had for breakfast yesterday. Um,

So you've done one metal post or? I did all. Oh, you did all.

Yeah.

I don't get it.

It's a white cloud dawning window from Ella. White. White. Correct.

But the other windows are white. Yeah. But are the tensions comparable? Or is it wider? Oh, yeah. So this is what it is. And then these are notes from now regarding your findings, right? So yeah, we just need to see the... I was spoken for all this, I understand. Yeah, the umbrella is just right out there.

They're pretty thin.

So this is dimensions.

Dimensions are, like is that a, that's the overall.

Vent and fixed units.

Oh, if you have the number, he can look at it in that. And if you have the window number, he could look at it.

33.5 by 41. It's custom. I don't know. It's a custom, so it's not copied. Here. He's trying to see if there's any.

No, that's, I mean, that's helpful to, to, that's what we had. That is what you showed us last, last meeting. I'm trying to.

Can you, um, is there a window number in that?

It's a custom size.

Okay. Yeah. Okay.

Yeah. So it's the, it's the lifestyle awning series, which is what this is all for. But, um, it's a clad wood window. We have bent area, visible glass.

This is all like, this is all the performance. This is the performance data, not like the... You want to take a look at this? Description here. Thickness frame.

Well, it's just saying general information without hinge glass panel, clad pine, five inch. These are dimensions that they're giving. Five inches, three and 11 sixteenths of an inch.

Overall frame depth, five inches.

And then?

wall depth of three and 11 16th of an inch optional factory applied sham extensions available optional factory and sold.

That's the depth of the wall.

Yeah, yeah.

So then what is the three and 11 16th inch measurement?

I mentioned it right after jam extensions. I feel like I kept talking about chat.

Oh, here we go.

That's a good drawing.

Two and seven sixteenths. So about two and a half inches.

We don't know what these are, but these are vinyl.

They are They either have that, I think they are replaced. Those are not. They also have the exterior storm window on them. I feel comfortable with this. This is good.

Okay. Right. Yeah.

Oh, I wish we knew what the other windows were, that measurement. Let me just go outside. That's right. It's easy.

Of the what? Of the original one?

Yeah, just so we know, so we're not approving. Do you want a tape measure on me?

Does anyone have a tape measure on my car? I'm not giving you.

Oh, I mean, I guess you can come back before the end of the meeting. Yeah, yeah. Please, I really need to take a picture of it.

Thanks, you don't know. So, um, so when I go down, I looked at the storm windows, you know, right? Right now, the other one of the wooden window. There you go.

Yes, if you could make yourself see that, and then just take a photo of it with you.

Oh, thanks. All right.

Right. Yeah. Okay. All right. Do we move on, but we might pause when he comes back. Is that okay?

All right.

We're pausing this application while he goes and gets measurements. And We will resume upon his return, and now we will talk to... Who are we talking to?

Well, that's been added today. This is 20 Rocks, the renovation workshop.

Yes, thank you guys for seeing me on that last minute. 20 Rock, which I... Are you going to need them out?

They're not here. Okay. Okay. Did we see you?

I was a little confused by the email that came through. Did we see you once before? No, we didn't. It was a workshop, right, I think? This is my understanding.

It's a workshop or it used to get, get a sense of existing porch, extend porch steps and replace columns. Yeah.

I submitted an application, I guess, a few days ago or last week.

I see. So you applied and it was, and this is, but now you got on.

This is yes.

It is a workshop though, right? You're not looking for Google.

Um, I mean, It's like I'm open to an approval. That would be appreciated. I understand the workflow, too.

So we want to describe whether or not the posts and the rails are going to be replaced in kind or what you're proposing. Totally.

Sure. So we're replacing the porch in kind. The main discrepancy, the main difference is we're extending the stairs. And I sketched, we have a sketch that essentially the stairs are going to be extended by 12.7 inches to be flushed to the corner of the porch now. In the pictures provided, the corner, it's currently not flush. We just feel aesthetically it would look nicer to be extended to the corner. All the material will be wood, mahogany wood for everything but the lattice, which will be cedar wood. Um, the front of the porch currently, if you look beneath the deck has a cement wall, which numerous contractors have told me is structurally unimportant. We want to knock that out and put lattice there. That's right here.

Right here.

Yeah. And we have, we have some pictures of the side of the porch that show the lattice, which we would intend to, you know, restore. And we would have that design be on the front of the porch as well. So mahogany decking.

Yes. Is the roof staying in the columns?

The roof is staying in the columns. We need to replace because the wood is, it's rotted, but I have a picture of the column we intend to purchase. These are not, those are, well, yeah, sorry. They are pre-found, but they're wood columns.

The size matching the existing?

The existing is five inches and these ones we are hoping to get six inches, but we're not opposed to five as well. Five inch diameter.

That's possible.

It is. Yeah, you can choose either.

And the floor of the porch is also being replaced?

Yes, that'll be replaced with mahogany two and a quarter tongue and groove. The railings are staying. So we're going to replace all of the wood of the railings, but replace in kind.

So you're not making it higher or anything like that?

We need to make it higher for code. It's safer anyway, right? Yeah. I mean, I was, we were told from the, from the building guy and said it needed to be replaced for comp.code.

Well, if you were keeping it. Yeah. Oh, I see what you're saying. Yeah.

The reason I ask is because it does really change the proportion. Right. The column that you're proposing. Right. In a different way.

Okay.

It's going to meet it at this curve, maybe at the tire rather than.

It starts at. much higher than what the time zones.

So the dimensions currently for the rails, the front is 27 inches in height, excuse me, 28 inches in height for the front rails. The side is 27 inches. And we intend to, the minimum code is 30, 36 inches. So we would raise it to 36.

Yeah. So it's going to be meeting the rail changes will be Oh, they can extend that up.

Yeah, you're at 42 inches where it starts to go from square to curve. Right?

Yeah.

Yeah. Yes. And they, I'm sure, do that for this exact reason.

Yeah. I felt like there was like legal room in the prefab.

Okay. So out of curiosity, have you looked at any historic photos of your house?

I would love to. Unfortunately, they don't exist.

Did you look at the National Register?

I have. I've actually reached out to the library and the historic, the museum in town. The only person in TR1 that gets an info in the background.

1905. And roofing of the porch? Unchanged. Unchanged, not too, okay.

So the major...

the the okay so the the alterations here are extending the steps to the right only when you're looking at the house correct i mean i think visually the steps are being rebuilt completely correct i think visually that might be a little bit weird if if your railings for the steps are not

So sorry, I should clarify that. So we think that, so you see how there's a little post there? Yeah. In extending these stairs, we would lose those little posts and have the stair connect with the column, and that would be the same on this side. So that post would go, and the new column installed would be where that current little post is.

Which is now that I'm looking at it, how the drawing shows it. Yeah, that seems correct. Yeah, I don't. I don't have any, I don't have any issue with that. Anybody have any more?

No, I just want to sort of see everything together, but do we have everything?

Mahogany, two and a quarter, tongue and groove mahogany.

It's essentially reflecting the width of the current boring on our deck. We wanted it to be as narrow as that boring. The research I did, that's the narrowest dimensions available.

I think that one element that could be improved would be for rather the planks of the decking to have this raw dead end here for it to be wrapped, at least the front cross. I think it'll be sealed better as well so that it doesn't see all that the planking is just kind of dead end and raw kind of that unfinished edge that if it's if it's banded and in a single plank coming across the porch so one going across the porch that way i think would be probably a visual and a weather kind of improvement so the grain of the wood is not all just exposed to all the weather

So just like one, you're suggesting just one plank at the end?

Yeah, running the same way that the treads of the stairs are going to be, parallel with the facade of the house rather than perpendicular. Yeah, that's fine.

Do we have, do we?

And how do you feel about the band going across? It's not a historically typical band. Right. It's usually a historic house. It is that edge, right? But how do you feel about it? You want it.

I mean, I think it. Performance wise. performance-wise and visually, I think it's nicer looking. And I think from a performance and kind of lifespan of the material perspective, it's a smarter way to do it. It's not a hill I'm going to die on, but I think that that's a smart way to do it.

I think aesthetically, I'm okay either way. I think I'm more historic to do it, like you're suggesting. I think when we see it, get old, it's not as nice, obviously, when it moves. Right.

I mean, wood is wood. Mahogany is a great choice, but my parents' house is 25 years old, and they just had to replace all of their mahogany decking. No, I know. About three to five years ago. Yeah. And so it's like it is going to degrade at some point, so.

But that banding would be mahogany, though? You're suggesting it's still mahogany. Yeah, yeah. I just think

it may help longevity of the if all those end grains are I mean ideally the end grains would be field whatever treatment you're doing right but yeah yeah we would only plant we're not painting we're just going to stain the boring wow I totally see what you're saying I mean, I'm happy to approve it as it's shown. But if you want to weigh in on either way. I think we let the applicant decide.

Yeah. Okay, so that's a suggestion, sure, for the band-aid.

However, I think however you prefer to do it is okay, it seems like.

Maybe look at some of the other houses. Yeah, totally.

I appreciate the, you know, because we were flirting with composite, but we don't want to do composite because it's historic. But yes, it prevents weathering, but yeah, we can treat it.

No matter what you do, though, that piece will also have to be treated. Of course. So I think I would personally, as the architectural detail usually is the rough edge on the porch. That's like what you see everywhere. That's what I would say to you, but I also understand. But I think we can, is there a motion to approve the submitted?

I would make a motion to approve this as submitted. Yes. With the new posts, the two and a quarter mahogany blank decking, The increased height of the railing to meet code. And with the porch, sorry, with the railings for the steps meeting the two posts, which is, that's a lot.

And the concrete block removed.

And the concrete block removed. And raised railing to be moved.

But aside from the railing, all of the other dimensions are going to match. Do we want to specify the dimension of the post, the five inches or six inches?

I don't particularly. Either is OK for me, but if you have a preference. What's there now is five, is that what you said? We have reason to believe that these are original.

I don't know because I don't have any

And I don't have any paperwork on that at this point, but six inch post The railings getting replaced.

Do we have specs for your railing.

It's in kind of, it's all going to be the same.

Up to Yeah. All profiles and everything too much. Yeah.

Yes.

Okay.

We need a second.

We need a second.

All in favor? Aye.

Aye. Cool. Thank you guys very much. I appreciate it. Marjorie, thank you for facilitating. Much appreciated. Cool. Good luck. Thank you. Yeah. And we're excited for it. That porch is falling apart.

Okay. Bye.

Thank you. Thank you.

This is from inside. Oh, that's the bottom of it. Yeah. Almost three inches.

What's the top? It's what? One inch. But what's on the inside? The small frame on top of the inside, OK? Here we are on the outside. That comes to where it needs.

If you want to send me an image, I can .

Okay.

Oh, sorry. I was looking at sound meters.

Yes. On the first one on the inside. So it's the right hand side. So what is this? That's outside. That's the storm window. That's what's going across. That's the thing in the middle. Yes.

In the middle. Oh, okay. The bottom. Yeah. And what it's okay. So that.

That is a one. What does it say?

It's a two and a quarter.

Two and a quarter. Okay.

So you move one and two in a corner.

Okay. Okay.

And we just said this is two and seven sixteenths, I believe.

Yeah. Yeah. All right.

Seven sixteenths. And let me see. That's a half inch. So it's very close. Yeah.

That's amazing.

That's great.

Yeah.

Okay. Yeah. So I think that, can you send us that, send Marjorie that for, for the photo and then, and then we can include that as part of the package because we want to know that it is, that was close.

V, V as in cat, S as in Sam, clerk at coldspringny.gov. I'm going to take the same thing.

Well, it's doing NY.gov, G-O-V.

So anybody have any?

Actually, it's even less than that. It's the bottom is actually almost exactly the border. What about the side? Yeah. Right. Is that the same all around? 716.

I have more pictures. Yeah.

Okay. The window set. I'll make copies of those for notes.

Really just these two pieces. Okay, not all.

Yeah. Here's two sides. This is from the it's the actual aluminum is one of the quarters a little more.

Mm-hmm.

Then from the, from the wood. Yeah. Running is two and a half. It's actually a little less than four.

That's a pretty, it's very close. That's what that is on the other side too.

Yeah.

Okay. All right. So can you sign that, Marjorie, that as well? Sure. And then.

Cool.

Is there a motion to approve the proposed awning window?

I move to approve. approve the proposed awning window. Hello, lifestyle.

With the wood and fill.

With the wood, painted wood remaining in the bottom. Yes.

And can you also add on his fence cladding thing?

Oh, you were, but he's also painted the wood. Oh, and the alteration to the fence.

Yeah.

Okay.

All in favor?

Aye.

Great.

Wonderful. I'm taking this moment. All right.

Thanks. Thanks for showing up all these times. It's been a lot.

I'm going to leave this here for her, OK? Thank you. Thanks. Have a great night. You too. Bye bye.

Hi. Board business. Oh, yeah, we've got board business.

Can we enter executive session the rest of tonight's meeting? Is that a thing?

It's applicant related, right?

It's not applicant related. Usually executive session.

That's something separate.

Yeah. It would usually be if there's, like, for example, a personnel discussion or something that is.

There kind of is.

There is, yeah. Let me ask Margaret.

Yeah, ask Margaret.

To do that. Well, there's very strict regulations as to that, so.

Is that a violation? Just go.

I'm going to try it. It isn't. Is it not?

It's not showing up when I open Google Sheets. It doesn't show up, but it'll pitch. Okay. You would think it would because...

It comes updated May 19th.

Yeah.

Oh, that's the goddess of the... Yeah. Which completely looks... Terrible, and degrading, and falling apart.

Well, I wonder. I don't think that Al has written a notice for her. So I guess we could vote on whether or not to do that.

I mean, do you want to just for now just specifically say that one, since that is?

Yes.

Yeah.

OK. We should wait for them to come back.

Okay, so look, we can make... No, sorry.

When was it approved?

What?

The signage. Signage was approved to be temporary. But when was that? That was like a year ago. Yes, it was a year ago. And that was to get them to like January or something. So we need to know exactly when that was.

We could probably find out pretty easily. Yeah, it would be in like half emails or minutes. Well, maybe not minutes, but in half emails. But I don't know that we have all of them. We should ask Marjorie.

Marjorie.

We have so many questions.

And you enter executive session. Yes, you would need to make a vote to enter executive session and then we would Okay, I'm moved to enter executive session.

I second. I Yes.

And the time is 577 Just a moment.

And Exiting executive session after six momentous minutes. And we will resume our conversation, our board business. Violations. You want, you suggested, yes, issuing a violation to 14 Main Street. Yes.

A notice.

A notice.

Which we will see the building department. Yes. Do we have a motion to issue a notice to 14 Main Street for failing to come back before us after we approved temporary signage one year ago.

Yeah, I motion to send a notice to 14 Main Street and copy the building department. Second. All in favor?

Aye.

Aye.

Yeah, I was just, I found the email. It's from October around then, last year they applied, and they said it'd be done by January, and it wasn't done yet.

And then the applicants also failed to come back, even though we invited them back to them several times at any time.

So that's that. What was the other thing? Yes. OK. So I know we have on here review meeting minutes. I have no idea what meeting minutes need to be viewed.

Go ahead. There's a huge backlog. I've seen that. And I don't really know what to do about it.

I made a list of wherever I see that there haven't been minutes and I'm not sure if some of them may have been done and I just don't have access to them. So I'm going to be looking at that and then I'll try to since this board only meets monthly, I'll try to do them in small batches or whatever, and we'll just have to, as well as keeping current. So we'll always try to get the current minutes on so that we're, eventually we get somewhere with it. It may take a long time.

So I think there were a few times where you took minutes and emailed them to Abby.

That's true. But then she never really took notes.

I took notes. You can then use them and kind of compile. Can you tell me which ones you're missing? And then I'll search for those.

I'll do an email. In your Google filter, you can search Abigail. And then you can also search with an attachment.

You can filter it. But if you have emails that have attachments that you sent to her, maybe you could forward them to me or something. But I'll email all of you what I see. Now, it could be that those aren't all missing.

OK.

But that's what I see.

That would be really helpful, because we're so behind.

No, it happens. Yeah. OK. So I'll try to help you with that.

I

I'm going to stay on through the end of my term, which you told me was November. At least. December 1st. At noon. And I'm going to open it to you, Lauren, and the mayor to decide if you would like to... reappoint me. I don't know what's the term.