Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

Uh, this is the planning commission meeting, August the 26, 2025, almost 400 p.m. And I'm going to call the meeting to order. The first item on the agenda is public comments. So if you have a comment and you want to step forward, please step forward. Give us your name and the area of the county you live in. Who wants to go first? Or does anybody want to speak? I want to explain myself and what we're planning to do there. Uh at the corner there of Goose Pond and Highway 53. Um me and my wife Lacy own Complete Exterior.

Your name, please. Justin Q. Okay. Uh my wife's back here. She's a longtime resident of Coffee County and um so is her family and parents and all, but we own Complete Exteriors and Shady Grove Homes. Uh right now we are currently operating out of a little house there on the farm and uh it's on a dead end road so it's very little visibility to anybody. So, all we're want to do is move out on a more visible.

Mr. [ __ ] I'm I'm going to stop you. And the reason I'm going to stop you is you're going to get a chance to say all that when you present uh your request if you don't mind. I thought that was No, no. I'm sorry. I should have I should have clarified that. Now, you have a little bit of chance to think about a little more what you're going to say.

Any other public comments? Now, this is the public comment section here for the planning commission. Once this is over, there'll be no more public comments. Okay, we're going to move on to the approval.

Yes, come ahead. M. My name is Donna West Fletcher and I own a farm in the Goose Pond community. Uh my son farms my farm and he also leases land from several of the other land owners on Ghostbound Road and that's already a very um heavily traveled road. It's very dangerous with your farm equipment trying to get in and out. um you have to nearly get out in the road and flag for the trucks and trailers to get out of the fields and everything. And Goose Pond has been um a farming community for as long as I have known it. And um my farm is nearing um being a century farm, which means it's been in our family for almost 100 years. And we do not want to see the community get commercialized. We want to see it stay agriculture as it has been. We we are proud of our community. We have u most of these people in here are related in some form or fashion, cousins uh by marriage or or not. And we're we're proud of our community and we want to keep that as is. And I am opposed to changing the uh zoning to uh commercial. I'm very much opposed to that.

Thank you, ma'am. Yes, sir. I'm not much at speaking, but I've lived at Goose Pond all my life. Name, please. Ernest Ernest West.

Thank you. And I've lived at Goosebond all my life and I own the property adjacent to the property that was sold. And uh I like our little community and it's been agriculture. It was agriculture when it was sold and I feel like I really want it to stay agriculture because I just especially me right there. I I own the whole the whole back of this property that was sold and I I would don't want to see it reszoneed, but that's just that's me. So, thank you very much. Thank you. Appreciate it.

Yes, sir. I am James Austin and I have lived there and owned property right there two doors down from the Lewis property for about 38 years. So when we I call now Goose Pond Road used to be Highway 53. The traffic's moved there. That's how it is. You better not pull out without double looking because they're running 80 miles an hour up and down there all the time. So, the thing is, if we reszone this here, well, if we're going to put in stores, well, we got a dollar store to the right, dollar store to the left. We going to put a service station in there. Well, we got a service station right there at Deerfield. We got a service station right up there, Greens Bestway. So, the thing is, I really don't see what we need there to reszone it. I don't think we need condominiums and apartments there. We got plenty of that going on here in Manchester. So, the thing is I'm opposed to it cuz whenever you can reszone, you can pretty well do what you want to and that's the way it is. And I'm against that because I think we need to leave the communities like they are. Stay where y'all passed it. Don't redevelop something less than five acres of land. And I'm opposed to it.

Thank you, sir. My name is Don Kill. I live at 212 Goose Pond Road. My wife has lived there all of our life. It's our old family farm. And I'll tell you, we live right there at the bridge where the Duck River is. And the traffic, like Mr. Austin said, is terrible. They run 70 80 mph. You saw two passing today racing to try to get off on that highway. If you're going toward Manchester, you better look to the right, not just to the left because they're passing right there on that straightaway.

I'm telling you, flying. It's a dangerous intersection. It's no place for a commercial building. I've seen the plans that he submitted. It's very nice. And I'm not against a residential home being there. But commercial, no. It's just not a good place. That's a rural area. It's farmland and I'm opposed to it. And another thing I want to ask, I thought you're supposed to put a sign out on the property. No, that's that's the city that does that. Okay. Did you not get a Did everybody get a letter that No.

That's all that we're required to do is a pro. But it looks like everybody got the word. We got it by word of mouth. Neighbors passed it around. But anyway, I'm opposed to it. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Is there going to be anything about the five acres or the carve outs tonight? I'm sorry.

The carve outs on the five acres. We're going to discuss that after we get through with it will be on it's on the agenda after the resoning request comes up. That's my phone. Your time's up by the way. Anybody else? I'm Joseph Caps own the property just to the south of one question in yellow there. I don't know. I guess I start out with saying I I don't have I don't have feelings either way at this point. I have more questions and concerns about what's happened so far where this is headed. Uh as a commercial piece of property that bothers me because you can see from the from that image, it's quite obvious everything environmentally from that piece of property goes to my property. So I have a lot of concerns there. And I I wanted to make sure that we have the opportunity to ask or or get questions answered after this public portion because I'm here to learn because I don't know what's going on. Don't understand your process actually and I'd like to know what uh what the plans are. and we will discuss those when we get to that item.

As as was said, I'm not opposed to a house being built there. Obviously, that's that's not an issue, but making it commercial, I'm not sure what's going on. Just just here to learn. Okay. And we will be able to ask questions at a later point in the meeting. not supposed to, but let's wait and get there and we'll see what happens. Okay.

Okay. Anybody else? Okay, that's the end of public comments. Going to move on to the approval of the agenda. Do I have a motion to approve the agenda? I'll make a motion to approve. Approve the agenda. Second. Have a second by Miss Gonzalez. Any more discussion on the agenda? If not, all those in favor say I. I.

I. Oppose. Passes unanimously. Uh, if you had a chance to read the previous minutes, I would call for a motion to approve the previous minutes. I'll make a motion to approve. I have a motion to approve the previous minutes by Miss Gonzalez. I make a second.

I have a a second for Miss Vasquez. Any discussion? All those in favor say I. I oppose. Send it. Kirk, bond review. No bond review. Okay, we are going to get to the request for the resoning A1 to C1 39 Goose Pond Road, Shady Grove Home. There, there you go. Sorry about that. That's not your

new all this.

Uh I'm Justin Mccun and um as I was saying, we own complete exteriors. Uh we do siding and roofing. Um and Shady Grove Homes is just new. We just started. I think we built five houses in the last two years. So, we're not a major developer as a lot of people are saying, but um we're currently operating out of our little house on a farm and we have zero exposure. So, we're wanting to go out to the corner here and remove the old house and put our office there so we have a little exposure to the public. And um as far as commercial like you're thinking. It's not like that. It's literally a office where myself and these two guys over here and uh my secretary can go to work. That's it. And uh we want to just want to be able to put a sign by the road um so people know we exist basically. Um we've got a state highway right there. We've got water. We've got everything we need. Um, we believe that it's a good fit.

Are you going to have any of the building supplies there? Everything I do is shipped straight to the job site. I mean, I might have a couple of columns in the garage part of the barnaminium. Um, some shutters maybe, but as far as any building supplies, we will not have any there. It is just a place to park the company trucks and they will be inside the building and then a place for us to meet for work every day. What size building are you talking about making? I think the building is 50 by 80 and it's

50 by 80. 50 by 80. Yeah. It's uh the front would face highway 53 and that would be like where the living quarters would be of the barnuminium. That's the part we'll make the office and then the garage in the back is and we it would be a side entry and we would actually come in off of Goose Pond Road and that's where we would access it because it'll be a side entry garage. So, we would access it off of Goosebond Road, but it would face Highway 53. So, you're not going to have any entrance coming off of Highway 53.

Have you done any like water runoff study? Cuz like your neighbor to the south there, you can definitely tell that there's a creek that runs straight into it or a drainage ditch. I mean, everything. There's a right there where that dark spot is. Um, on the bottom side of the lot, there's a little gathering pond or something right there. There's a big old pipe that goes under Highway 53 right there. Um, so that's where all the water goes through there, goes down yours, and then that pipe and that whole all that back side towards Ernie over there is all heel. It's all a hill up there where the Okay, number 32 is So,

how big is that piece of property again? 3.3 acres. Okay. And um we would be mindful of setbacks. I think Highway 53 will be fourlaned all the way down through there, especially if the mega site comes in. So, we will make sure that We allow plenty of room for all of that, too. What about the buildings in front? You leaving those? Those will have to come down. That's where the offices sit. Okay.

Uh we'll have to I think the setbacks are 50 foot off of Goosebond Road. So, that house is only 30. So, we'll actually be over kind of where the little tan looking storage building is. Uh just right there in line with Ernie's house probably where's you can see that where it runs down through here the drainage comes down and then like I say underneath y what's going to happen with all this drainage goes under none of that's none of that's going to change you're not going to have it anything there to stop it

no nothing's going to change at Okay. So, you're not going to add a a large parking lot or anything that may collect? No. I mean, it' be my truck and my son's truck and my secretary's SUV. I feel like if it was on down Goose Pond and in the middle of the community, it would probably be a bigger concern. But it is on Woodbury Highway and it already it does have two schools, $2 generals, get multiple gas stations. And is the Massie Ferguson place still over there? Not far down the road. Not far down the road. I mean, it's it's a highway. It's a pretty good commercial highway right there. As for the speeding, that sounds like a sheriff's job.

You got a sheriff out there to be watching the speeding. That's problem every road. Well, I know that's a bad area cuz my daughter got rear ended right there total both vehicles when she was turning on Goosebond Road. Sounds like there needs to be a deputy out there. And it does. It is all everything from three parcels up all the way back into town is all. I mean, you're only talking about extending it. Multiple commercial zones down through there.

And the good news is if they turn on Goosebond, they're just turning on the first lot on the road. They're not going down the road to the middle. Any other questions? Anybody got any other questions? Yes, I guess. What made you want to just reszone it versus just getting a variance to put a different building on? I just feel like that's the right thing to do. Okay. I have a question. Can he build that building and run his business out of it without it becoming commercial?

It'd be a very to do that. Okay. That's what that's why he's asking for to get his business there. He would have to read that.

I'm going to get Miss Gonzalez, if she doesn't mind, to read the district description of a C1. If you don't mind doing that, Anna, I'd appreciate it. C1, the rule center district recognizes the need to provide the areas within Coffee County where residents were more isolated agricultural and rural residents districts and residents located beyond the limits of service can receive certain merchandising and technical services in Coffee County. Several small rural centers exist primarily to provide such convenience goods and services to residents of the surrounding areas. These centers serve a necessary economic function and the mixed land uses that characterize these centers are not particularly detrimental. This district is intended to be a flexible zone which is necessarily necessary in a rural center. It is designed to allow for change and growth within these areas, but also to prevent this mixture of land uses from unnecessary spreading into the adjacent countryside. This district shall be allowed only on roadways classified as either a collector or arterial as shown on the major thorough fair plan of Coffee County. The following regulation shall apply in the C1 rule center district as defined on zoning map of Coffee County, Tennessee.

Thank you. Which I would say Woodbury Highway is a pretty collective. Woodbury Highway is I mean it is artial. It's a corner lot and it's on Woodbury Highway. I'm Kurt. Uh, just a question. Would he need to enter that property from Woodbury Highway? Yes. For his business? For his business. Okay. Did you understand that? I mean, that's not a problem. I can't Yeah, we change the layout. Yeah, because

that's arterial goosebonds, is it? That's right. I was asking. Yeah, that's right. I was asking about that drainage right there cuz you'll need to come in off of Woodbury Highway, but you also still have to have that drainage in there. Yeah. Culver. Culver. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it would have to have that anything any drive coming off of 53 right there. No one's going to like what I have to say, but This is a perfect spot for a C1 district. You've got a major highway out there and you've got a siren. It's a corner lot

and you got the water supply. You've got the water supply. Uh uh multiple businesses already on the road. That's right. That's exactly right. That's mainly where we're wanting, like I say, this kind of this kind of construction stuff on major highways. That's right. And Woodbury Highway 53 is a wood major highway. Any other discussion?

I make a motion we vote to approve it for C1. I have a motion to approve the change from A1 to C1 for this piece of property. Do I have a second? Can Yes. Can we make make U except for the entrance does have to come off the hill. He's got present. Okay. Coming off of Woodbury Highway. Okay. That's why I wanted to be sure. Okay. Uterial.

Right. That's right. Right. That's what I say. I want to want to be sure that the entrance to it does come off Woodbury Highway. I have a motion. Second. I have a second for Miss Gonzalez. Any more discussion? All those in favor say I. I. Oppose. Thank you.

Now that it is I'm sorry ma'am. Can you speak a little bit louder? Yes. Now that it is anything else go there? Not anything. There are certain businesses that could could he could put another business. He could put a couple of houses in there. He still has to go to the full commission. He still have to go to the full commission to for this to pass. Yeah. It's not passed yet. Yeah. We just It's our recommendation that it passed. Go to the full commission. Right. He's got to go to the full commission now to get their approval for it to become official.

I don't know. His business is a smaller business and that's better than like having a gas station or or something. I was just wondering if that go there's a list of things that could go into a C1 and uh online somewhere. Uh if you can pull our codes book up, there is a list. Yes. But he's still got to go before the county commission. When is that? Um October. October, I think. First the date for the full commission October is the 18th. I think so.

Tuesday on a Tuesday at 6:30. It's the next second Tuesday of the week. I would guess that meeting would be either the 7th or the 14th. Is it the second or first Tuesday? Uh Laura, it's a second Tuesday of the second Tuesday in October is the 14th. If you go to the Coffee County Council, none of us are on the board, but they do have it listed on there. Um all the commissioners meetings and

once they vote on it, then it can come be zoned C1. All we're doing is recommending it to them. They're the ones that have the final say. Okay. the neighbors visit 100%. Yes, ma'am. That's that's the main one there that you can we have a certain set of rules that we that we pretty much have to go by and but your county commissioner, you can bend his ear. [Laughter] Yeah, the truth hurts sometimes. I'm sorry. It's October the 14th at 6 o'clock. And where will that meeting?

In the big area. The one right next door over there. The big one. When you walk out. Yes, ma'am. Okay. That's right. Ma'am, ma'am, there's a public There will be a public hearing prior to that meeting. Usually 5:00. The 13th. Yeah. Before it starts. Yes. Yes. It'll be at 5:00 and that's when y'all can voice your opinions. And there should be a signup sheet like ours. If you want to speak that you sign when you get there. Yeah. For for anybody for most any county meeting you go to to speak, you're going to have you have to sign in. That's just uh

So there you go. And it starts at five the public section. Yeah. It's usually 5 or 5:30. It'll be'll be in the same room.

All right. Okay. Are you guys ready to talk about some zoning resolution amendments? All right. If you look at this side of this sheet, Ronda, you You'll see some definitions

and this is this comes from Amanda our trainer. Uh variance special question for the purposes of the administration of this resolution. Variance shall be construed as synonymous with special questions as controlled by section 137109 Tennessee code annotated. What we what we need to do if we so desire is we need to approve this to go in the definitions in our book in our codes book. Uh she has it just the opposite and I guess they're talking about putting in both places in both places in the alphabet. Special question variances for the purpose of this resolution. Special question B shall be construed as synonymous with variance as controlled by blah blah blah. Uh does anybody have a problem with either one of those definitions?

No. Uh Cindy and Kurt, the way I understood uh the mayor, we need to get a consensus on this. Correct. So if that if you find that acceptable, this is the easiest one to get out of the way. If you find this acceptable, I I'll take a motion to approve this. Well, this will be the first step of the variances for family members. No, this this is completely separate. This is this is just about the variance. The variance and the special question. Oh, okay. Now this is the definition.

Is it I notice it says or is this better? Are we going are we well talking about the top or the bottom? No. What what he's talking about is you see at the top variance comes first. Right. And if you see at the bottom it says special question comes first. Okay. The rest of it's the same. Also if I'm correct conditional use is pretty much the same thing too, right? Except the conditional uses are listed. special exceptions. I think if you if you

look in the dictionary. No, I mean special exception special and exception. I looked it up. I don't think it is. But anyway, this is what he and Amanda say that needs to go in our definitions. So this way they would be able to do a variance, right? Yeah. If uh everybody's agreeable, I'll take a motion to accept these and put them in the uh put them in the definition. I think we just got to choose one.

Right. You could do one or I think you said you could do both. Two different Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Two different things. Okay. I would rather have both. Okay. Yes, I had to. I'm searching. Yeah. Well, I make a motion that we approve this. I've got a motion from Randy to approve these. Do I have a second? Any questions? Any other questions? Go ahead. Second. I'll second. Oh, okay. Any more discussion? I already read the I was reading over here. If not, I will uh

ask for a vote. All those in favor of putting these into the codes book in the definitions say I. I. Oppos. Okay, we've done that one. Now turn the page over. On the uh I just had some things I wanted to throw out there real quick. Do what?

About the the family thing. Is that what we're going to start on now? No, this is the this is the conditions which you guys have been using the conditions in our book. I want to commend you guys. You've done a great job. I'm talking to the BCA members now. Uh you guys have done a great job uh deciding what you've decided. Uh and you've done that straight out of our codes book. Correct. Correct. And have you seen this? Have you seen You have, haven't you, Sammy? Yeah. Right. Right. Have you seen it, Kate?

Do you want There it is. It's on. Yeah, she got it on. We're getting so modern.

I know. Sammy, what do you think about this? questionable in one area or the other I will tell you it puts a lot of uh

puts a lot of burden on you guys do you know it's actually pretty vague yeah because I mean peaceful enjoyment of adjacent properties that that's very vague that's not that's something what I I think it's ambiguous on purpose. Do you not like that? I do like the negatively affect neighbor neighboring property values. That is that is basically the biggest part of our job is to make sure we don't affect neighboring property values.

I do like that. But peaceful enjoyment is pretty vague. Somebody may want to run around their yard with no clothes on in peaceful enjoyment. depends on who it is. I think that's [Laughter] uh it it's rather it's it's rather ambiguous and I think that that's I think it's written that way to give you guys a great amount of leeway which is which is what it should do. But it gives interpretation of the presenter.

That's true. read a lot into the presenter as much as you can read and understand kind of where they're coming from. That means a lot if you leave the vagness, you know, you can read into that. That's true. Do you have a problem? Either one of you. Michael, have you read it just now? What do you think, too? I'm reading right now. Give me like a couple more minutes. Hey, she's she's the smartest. I was going to ask her last. She she could negatively affect all of y'all, but uh

I was looking at it from a standpoint of judge. Yeah. Uh Michael, as a layman, it just applies to four lots or less. Correct. It's not got anything major subdivision. Nothing to do with major subdivision. Just something similar to Orchard the BCA turned down on a few weeks ago something. Yeah. Sim very similar.

So So you know a quick skim of it. It's vague and it allows some interpretation from those on the boards. I don't have any I don't see anything that jumps out and says I like I like that the increased traffic and capac that that's a concern in the rural community start adding houses and and the environmental dete I feel when it comes to these things vague should never be in there

I think when it comes to these types of things planning and zones and board of appeals vague should never be in anything. Vay should never be in any law or any rule when it comes to government. It should be black and white. We're not judges. We're not here to interpret law.

But but the first thing in zoning we look at it, monetary values cannot be taken under consideration by the planning commission nor the BA. And every time we've had a presenter come up and present on behalf of the owners, the first thing out of their mouth is this gentleman has spent this much money or this is going to affect my heirs this much. The commission should decide what is the best use of that land under the laws as written. And if you go specific and don't then you you're going to eliminate as much as you're going to have a little a little vagueness to allow interpretation as a positive so that people can get what they need when they need. I don't agree with that. I believe when it comes to the government rules it should

be pretty black and white. Well, if it is black and white and you put a stamp on every lot out there that it's got in this and being in I mean I've been in here 11 years there's not seen a handful that's been the only ones that have been most

you take you take that C1 that y'all approve Typically, I'd be 100% against it and and I'm sitting there going, "That needs to be approved. It fits." Well, I think it fits. I can't But if you went black and white, that was killed right there. No, it wasn't because black and white said it was on a main artillery road and it was, but but it it also could have been killed for drainage. It didn't have a sight plan, etc., etc. I could argue both sides of it. Well, he couldn't do any of that till he did his side. Still he's still got he got to do all that. He would have to do that to begin with.

But if we right now we just you know like it has a provision here that said flags. Right now there's no access to flags and there's somebody presented BCA a few weeks ago that got approved rightfully so because his dad had a lease on the front part of the property and he didn't get on the back and was not track. He should have been approved. That was a right decision. That was a hardship. A true hardship. So, so I mean, but if you went by the black and white rules, it would have never passed. And that's why you need some flexibility. If you don't have flexibility, you're going to wor I don't feel the words peaceful enjoyment or flexibility. That's just a little too

I think I mean negatively affecting property values also could be seen. You could build a commercial lot and could raise property values, but it would negatively affect my way of life. I mean that's raising property values isn't a negative effect. It is if you don't want to sell that's not looked at that way. Well negatively here's here's the deal folks. property.

I don't think anyone can say for with that you negatively or positively affect property values until after that thing's done and it's sitting there. You see what I'm saying? You're going to put a junkyard beside a person's house. It's going to affect the person's house. A junkyard. Junkyard. I mean, there are things that you can go, "Yeah, that's going to affect your That's true. That is that is true. Well, but if you put I mean city man puts a lettuce factory across the road from the farm. You just killed that farm. Put a what?

Just just for zoning. You just took a 90-year-old lady's property that she's making income off the farm and put me as a farmer since I farmed at risk of killing 800,000 foot. But the city of Manchester didn't take that into account. Plus, they sold it for $10,000 below the property. So, I If we're going to argue property values from zoning, I can argue both ways. All right. I I think this is an argument no one can win. I agree. So, let's move on. Um, okay. I feel like I don't let people's emotions get involved in this. So, their peaceful enjoyment isn't going to persuade me much other than Thank you.

Yeah. Yeah. because there's usually a lot of feelings every meeting and if you took everybody's feelings into account, I mean, it just I had one of the nicest young men in Manchester to send me a text after the first airport road uh meeting and told me what a sorry job I did. And I said, I did I did I didn't do a good job. I said, "But I didn't have much of a chance to do a good job with." And he said, "Well, you let the meeting get out of hand and everybody got mad." I said, "No, they were mad when they walked in the door." Yeah. They were mad for the guy.

They were mad when they got there. And uh and they only got matter, but after everybody got their say, it all kind of settled down a little bit. Sometimes you got to go through the storm to see the sunshine on the other side. So sometimes you got people. Do what? You gota let people. That's right. Hey, what's Sam Edwards always say? Sam says everybody needs to talk.

Uh I like the part in there also about the agricultural or or rural character consideration. Yeah, like I say, it's all it gives the board of zonian board of zoning appeals a lot of leeway to go and I think it I'm a little bit side with him and a little bit siding with you. There's got to be some leeway for choice in there in my opinion. So, uh, we could talk about this one all afternoon, Mr. Chairman. that. So, so would this apply? I'm just going to say there somebody come in with a family carve out

a carve out, you know, I got a family and I want to give my kids acquirements and then that Well, that is there is a separate thing. There is a thought about that, is it? there. Cindy, uh, Kirk, you want to help answer that question? Well, that's up to BZA. I think we need to have a special family variance.

Others think that this covers that because it it's a hardship. If you can't give your son or daughter an acre or two of land, that's wrong. And I agree with that. uh whether we need to have the family variance spelled out like we were talking with Amanda when we had our training session. Uh that's going to be up that's going to come later down the road. But there is going to be a family variance of some kind. I think we just need to put time limit on the family variance. They need to stay there in that location for x amount of years. You can put this build house.

What about one exception per child? was perfect.

Like I have a I have 10 acres. He's got enough acres. So what separated to each kid and it be okay or not? Well, I I think it's got to be a minor subdivision. So a minor concern is the people that own five parts and can't come up with five, you know. If you if you own five and you want to give one and build a second country in A1, which is where all this started, right? If we just go back to the genesis of where this started is, but it shouldn't hold up a kid from getting an acre given to him by his mom and dad to build a house. That's why I think there should be a separate. And that's what I was saying in the A1. Thank you, Rodney. You you're talking like I'm

It should be a SE and I'm talking in the A1 family less than five acre variance. In less than five acre He don't get that often. Yeah. Let me get that. Can be done twice as long. Can be done twice as because I mean you may have five kids, but let's be honest, they're all of them going to live with you, right?

But if you have you're going to have one or two out of your five that may need to be given an acre to live next to you or want to live next to who who you hope take care of you when you get old, you know, so you don't have to go to a home. So I this was ideas to throw out there in the own family variance. Uh A1 family less than five acre variance can be done twice as long as it meets setbacks, road frontage, and minimum lot size for grandparents, parents, children, and grandchildren. One acre minimum. Now I don't have a problem with the time thing. I think Williamson County had a two-year. Did you say 10 with No, that was for Mr. Floyd who was wanting a variance off a friend, not a family member.

Okay. and we have nothing for a friend that may actually cover Mr. Floyd. And I said, Mr. Floyd, maybe we could work something out where if your friend is willing to give you an acre that for a non-family member, a oneacre lot or more that meets road frontage setbacks and everything else with a five to 10 years that the person that gave I knew you said 10 years at some point in time

cannot divide again. This would because our concern is to y'all subdivision people. No subdivision guy is going to build a lot every 5 years. He'll go broke. So this would be my buddy wants a lot. I've got seven acres. I'm going to give him one acre. But if I do, my seven is locked up for a period of whatever we decide, five, 10 years or whatever y'all feels fair. Did did you did see what Amanda had sent us on the family variance thing, right? You you you saw that. I did not. It's 25 years in Williamson County. If you do a family variance, it must stay with your family. Send us more than reasonable. Oh, I think so, too.

Yeah. Yeah. That's And what y'all did the other night at the meeting where y'all gave the the son the approval for behind his mother and stuff that that agre I I agree with that 100%. And stuff, but you could read that into the presentation, right? And that's what I was getting at with the presentation. 99% of the time when they step up and walk up there, you can read that into what they're presenting.

And I'm not sayingbody, but you can read that into they're truthful or whether they're not. I would like to look at a variance or possibly where if you owned a piece of property, you could put a mother-in-lawg grandmother's house and have two residents on one property. You can already in our zoning book, right? Over 15 acres. Over 15. Over 15 acres for for people whose parent because I mean, let's face it, people lose their whole entire farms going to old folks homes. Absolutely.

And you can't drive across the county every time to go take care of your elen grandmother. A lot of I know I know Rford County if you go under five acres in the county and you got to go under county subdivision guidelines for the lot. I know that for a fact. Well, that should that's fair, but I mean Well, but it it goes back to the a different set of rules. Yeah, I think once you go under county

well they would have to meet if you gave like like Steve was talking about and if you give your son or grandson or who an acre it's got to meet the setbacks it's got to have the city water guy the road frontage got to have basically everything the same thing that a subdivision is required we passed you had if you had that list boom boom when they brought it in percentage checked off. Well, it's in it's in the uh codes book already on that part. Day one setbacks were set because of fire. So whether I agree with it or not, it was set because of that. I you I cannot go back and say for any reason you can override safety.

No, you should. So that he's going to have to meet the setbacks in an A1 in an A1 only. Yeah. Yeah. But but then that you know if your son can't meet the setbacks in A1 I'm sorry but that's a safety issue. That's not that's not a that's not an aesthetic issue. So you should be able to make that work. Oh I would hope unless you just really and again that's that's worth pointing out that we're talking about the A1 area outside the UGB. Yes. You know people don't understand that yet. This is outside the UGB. Inside the UGB, it's just like it always was. Well, that's where you want your growth. That's right. That's where you want it.

So, uh, also was talking about the family variance and stuff, conditions. We were talking about son, you know, kids, grandson, grandkids, stuff like that. Excuse me. I do believe we need to set something on that. If you just say family variance, then what's gonna stop me from coming in with my third cousin? Third cousin, fourth cousin or something. That's why I wanted a direct lineage. It says immediate family. Immediate family to grandkid lineage, right? No, that's what I agree. I mean, I agree with that. You ain't coming to somebody claiming it's a cous and I feel like there should be something there. It's your job to prove it.

Well, and there you have to show up with proof with birth certificates and whatnot. This is your job. It is in Amandas. The one that that they're looking at right now. It is in Amanda. It's not our job to figure it out. It's your job to prove to us, right? You're in this line. Uh, let's if we're finished discussing this. Let's get a vote on this. If we can, you ready to vote on this or you're you're going to vote no, aren't you? I am. But that's okay. It'll probably still pass. Well, but you but you got like I say I mean you also still got to come

the propo proposed subdivision may be subject to review and recommendations by the planning commission prior to the final action of the zoning of appeal and that's something that still there that they don't realize. I think a lot of folks come before the BCA and they get a variance and they say I'm good. No, you still got to go before the planning commission, right? I know you do. But we and we can't turn them down for the variance that you granted. No, it has to be for setbacks or something like that. And uh uh do I have I get a motion? I'll make a motion. We should approve it.

I got a motion to approve uh the conditions for Vance. Do I have a second? I'll second. You'll second? Well, you wasn't very sure. No, I wasn't. No, I'm just uh I have a motion. We've discussed it enough, but if anybody's got another word they want to say, go ahead. Okay. All those in favor say I. I. Oppose. Nay. Okay. We got Well, we've got three one. Well, he's there's just three of us, isn't there? No, there's four. Four. Good gracious. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I didn't didn't have Can I bring something up that I'd like us to think about in the next meeting?

Sure. We're obviously not wanting people in A1 and we're trying to push them towards the cities and that's great. Uh the UGB urban growth foundry. There was a thing that even Dennis Hunt and I both agreed on back before all this started. I know. Imagine he actually started it and pushed me. But it was the 25 foot easement, not in A1, but in the urban growth boundary because we we argued that by law the courts, if you have a piece of property, can only give you 25 ft to get to that property and use it. U and as I said in meetings before, if we're not going to be building out there, we need to push people towards the city. So, we need to make the areas closer to the city, which have better roads, better water,

and they won't be driving through the country. they'll be going into the city and honestly most of them will probably put their kids in the city whether it be Manchester school systems. So I would like us to think not tonight but about doing the 25 foot easement inside the urban growth boundary area. Cindy, make sure and get this down that we will discuss it at the next meeting and vote on it. All right. And that'll that way we'll everybody will have plenty again. that will open up for people and our children and stuff to live closer to the city and less homes out in the country. Open it up to 25 foot easements. They only have to have 25 foot instead of 50 foot,

right? What does that do to flag lots? It may cause flags, but we're wanting the growth in the urban growth boundary because that's the name. Yeah. Yeah. So, but it keeps them out of and people some people actually like a flag lot. So, And I get you don't, but we we we can't go off personal opinions on what we like to look at. I was just wondering, but there are people that have land that have a 25 foot.

Well, the my neighbor's got a 35 foot driveway and she's got a 5,000 foot house back there and that brings in very good tax money and she couldn't do that today with the 50 foot and she's in the urban growth. She's one mile from the Tele city limits. So, it worked for her. She flags behind me, but it works for her. Well, I mean, I've got farms that only have 30 foot access. Yeah. So, I'm just trying to shift people being able to get houses from one spot to another.

Well, you know, and and you know what Rodney said in the beginning, a judge can only grant 25 ft. That's all if if you're landlocked, he can only grant 25 ft. So you could have a thousand acres and there'll be a bunch of oneacre people on the road and he comes in and says, "I'm giving you 25 ft between these two houses." Under Coffee County rule right now, you can't do nothing with it. Y my daughter can't build a house back there. Yeah. When I first bought my property several years ago, the first property I bought, I had a 15oot rideway. Good gracious. That's a little too much. No, but I'm just saying But I'm just saying I had a 15T right away.

I talked to electric. You can go underground. You don't have to have the 40 foot. If you go underground on your electric and the water and it 25 foot will get you back there

urban growth boundary goes before the city anyways, but they have to follow our rules. Next time the family, are they still considering to add it? I think we need to look at the family. I mean, so move the family to the meeting after that. No, we can do them both in one meeting, can we? Oh, no. The family bear. Not a whole lot of people arguing the family thing. Show that to if I may. I think I think the some of the negative or adverse effects of the 5acre minimum has been the restrictions on. Yeah. And that I think the intent was major subdivisions in the A1.

That's what I said. And as far as but watch out the roofs going to fall in system. I know that's a bad thing in coffee county, but if you could do step systems with the proper fire protection inside the UGB, narrow those setbacks down. If they have fire protection, they are narrow. They're 25 ft on. But if you had a step system and you could get rid of a soil side and narrowed up more. You know, we have a step system in the county. I live in that. That's maybe a little I'm one that works one that works and maybe get the fix

and and brother county right now we've got about 70 step systems. That's the one and stuff. Can I get this? Right. That's what I was saying. But yeah, we've got about 70 and they work. And encourage density. I see the density inside steps to push density there. Right. Of course, eventually the city would end up gobbling. Of course, I'm I'm gonna die before the city gobbles up another inch. You would you would be surprised how fast the way the states changed the rules. If there's anybody between you and the city, you can't get in, that doesn't want in. They can't just grab you anymore. No, you got to touch the city and ask. I mean,

they can't do the road thing anymore either because both these cities were really bad about running down a road and going like that and then you had all these county houses and in Raleigh Creek Road you got a county house, city house, county house, city house. They can't do that anymore. Well, Buck Canon B Canon and Rutherford County, Buck Cannon is actually city limits, but there how they did that they actually used the interstate. They went down the interstate to Buck Cannon and classified that as city. They pushed the people coming in towards the edges of the city, the suburbs. The urban growth boundary is where it needs Yeah.

Yeah. The urban growth boundary is where it needs to be. It's the cheapest place to do infrastructure, too, because all the infrastructure you need is just a mile down the road. Right. Correct. The roads The roads are there. The traffic the farmers are happy because we're not getting Nobody's farming down there. is where at where Maple Springs is that inside the urban growth boundary. Half when they do that do that soil site or that super site that they never going to happen that they rub their genie bottle. You're going to be so rich you won't even weird about it anyway. I don't want to say

I get it. I get it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's That's what I'm talking about. You can tell when they drop lower values. Golly, they're not going to put a prison there, are they? So, we're going to bring up I want That's not jobs. Family variance. All right. I want $40. The next meeting Rodney is going to give us a real good report on the family variance.

Yeah. and and uh as far as this meeting goes, if anybody has anything else that we we've got the conditions, we've got the definitions. Uh we're prepared now to talk about the family variance uh and possible UGB 25 foot. Yeah, that's right. And uh you got that correct? Are we voting on the family next meeting? I I would like to. Okay. Now, I'm not going to guarantee that that gets to We can always push it if we're not totally there yet. Well, no point rushing.

We can still if we vote on it next meeting, we can still get it on the agenda for the full commission in October. Correct. No, we can't. No, you can't either because the next meeting will be on the agenda for October that we that's probably the very the family will next month. next month several county commissioners about two things is all we need to send to them to handle at a time at a time and I don't blame them it's they got enough on their plate if we do next meeting it would go to November go to November's which that's not going to end the world people can't wait 30 days right

and you can and the the borders zone appeals can still grant a family var due to hardship well they did last meeting they did the last meeting y'all did the last meeting so It's not. But now, if you'll when you read that, Rodney, you're going to find out that she says that that can be done at the planning commission level. That that that the hardship can no the the one the band that she wrote. Okay. She said can be done at the planning commission level, which would be okay, too. So, uh

which I have thought that in the past, too, because I read a lot about it and I did see a lot of that and a lot of counties do that. Well, I I think it's it just makes sense, you know. It just makes sense.

Remember, we can't make up rules.

I need I need to put in there's no intent there. It's hard. make a decision that way. Does that make sense? If I'm sitting at it, I don't see the I don't know. I'm looking on this or you're talking about the family bar. Any of it? Yeah. This or if you have a family member, you can kind of see that. Yes. But yes, you're exactly right. I I think uh that's what I was when I said mention the first somewhat vague because I can't see the spirit intent there. So complet more your decisions totally opposite of what ours might be. Mhm.

I'm trying to look at blinders on and understand what you guys are and but and here's the thing, Kaden. The next the only pe the only thing that can overcome a decision by the board of own appeals is a court of law. So when they come to us to get a plaque after getting the uh variance from you guys, we ha we can't use that variance against them. We have to accept that branch no matter what it is and then go by the rest of the rest of our codes. Well, the only way anything gets overturned in court is if there's no That's right.

So, if we were to make a decision unfounded, that would be an avenue for somebody overturn. And that's why I mentioned that if there's not something shows, we can't articulate and say this is why code.

That's right.

We should throw hardship in the reading for the family. Just have that word in there. Anything? Well, I was agreeing with This is for a hardship. What about the one off the farm? Uh, we can. We're having a good discussion. Uh, uh, I actually have to leave. Why don't you explain what you're talking about?

Individual has a farm, they spouse passes away, one spouse member is still there, they need to sell the farm to stay in a nursing home or to stay in something else. Can we do a minor subdivision for that one house existing residence one variance or whatever minimum variance for that house? I think that would fall under the family. I think it hardship and hardship I think that's perfect. Yeah. cuz you're trying to like you say for their health, right?

Yeah. [Music] Yeah, that would go medical, you know, why and stuff. I mean, yeah, that would go under hardship. But we definitely need to put it in there. Find her family. I'm leaving. I'm selling off the whole farm, but me, but one spot for the family. And most like if she's going into a home, it'll be a child that she's given that house to. If she even wants to stay in the house. Yeah. You know, I just need money to problem.

No, would not do that. That's John. Have we got you good and confused? Yeah. Can I make I either need to leave or and y'all can keep talking. No, we're Why don't you make a motion for us to adjurnn? I make a motion to adjurnn. I second. I have a motion to adjurnn and a second. Question. I'm sorry. Go ahead. No, no, go ahead. The only thing you were talking about how does that Is there a difference between affecting the person requesting the property value or where does that come in property?

It's like keep from putting a junkyard beside your house with things that nature like if they wanted to put a a hog barn beside a residential neighborhood that's going to definitely of course that's A1. So you could Yeah. But and so that's A1 but you could if they want to put a hog a junkyard or in the neighborhood, you know, a junkyard or I I don't can't come a halfway house for prisoners that are still, you know, that right where it would affect that that person that's already

know is there are some things that the All right.