Legislative Committee - Regular Meeting

uh policy. I've got it on my phone. Do you want to deal with it tonight or do you want to Oh, I can kind of read it off. That'll be fine. Okay. Is that okay with you? Is that okay? Are we on? Yes, sir. Okay. Um I probably wouldn't even at that meeting.

Good evening. Uh it is 6 o'clock. This is the legislative committee meeting on uh September 29th, 2025. Um we'll get things started and call the meeting to order. Um taking roll. Everybody is present except for um Miss Carden Smith um who won't be with us tonight. Um, if everybody would look over agenda, see if there's any corrections or additions or subtra subtractions. If not, I'll entertain a motion to accept the agenda. I'll make a motion to approve. I'll second.

All right. Motion by Commissioner Brown, second by Commissioner Miller. All in favor? I I All right. Uh if everybody would take a look at our previous minutes dated February 24th, 2025 by uh Roger Chambers. See if there's any corrections, com uh corrections or additions or anything. I'll move that we approve that. All right. Motion by Commissioner Miller. I'll second it. Seconded by Commissioner Chambers. Uh all in favor?

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All right. Um no public tonight for public comments. Uh no unfinished business. Um unless somebody has something to bring up. Uh if not, we'll move on to new business. Um there was three things forwarded us from uh other committees. Um, one of which is uh under A for the new uh public policy, public comment policy. Um, they didn't include that. Apparently, it didn't get included in the packet for tonight. Um, but I'll go over it. I have a copy of it um on my phone uh from the email that was forwarded to us. Um, apparently they're wanting to change the um uh public comment policy to um have a uh period for public comments. I'll just read it. Um the period for public comments will be listed as the first item on the agenda since the new law states that the purpose of the period uh purpose of the period is to provide public comments public with the opportunity to comment on the matters that are germaine to the items on the agenda. Uh the commission shall allow a maximum of 10 coffee county residents to speak during the public comment period. The commission will take uh all practical steps to ensure that the opposing viewpoints are represented fairly included including giving each view uh point an equal number of speakers if any. Um the commission will provide each person with a maximum of three minutes to speak during the public comment period. Um donations of speaking time it will not be permitted. Um, the commission will utilize a physical signup sheet to be made available before the meeting uh begins for each person who wants to provide comments to the commission. The signup sheet will include the name, address, topic on the agenda the speaker wishes to address and whether the speaker is

for or against the agenda item if applicable. I think there was one more item in there also. You had to basically certified your county. So, yes. And then just the address doesn't cut it because in because some of the addresses are in Franklin County. And on the signup sheet, as Commissioner Miller just pointed out, there is a notation for printed name, street address, county of residence, agenda topic, and the for or against or neutral uh check box for you to be able to address whether or not you are um

we have any any discussion on that? The discussion I have is the inability to donate time. Okay. That's the only issue I have with the whole thing. I think uh we're taking away rights of the citizens by having that in there. Sure. And that's the only thing I have in question. Okay. Is inability to donate time. Is that something that we want to amend or do we want to send it back for their back to was this pulled from policy? It it was uh it was uh basically this was all clean up. Sure.

From policies and procedures as trying to do what they thought was right. Sure. And then bring it on to legislative. So correct. And that's the question. I tend to agree if if I want to donate my time to if Commissioner Miller's up there speaking and he's on a roll and I've signed up and I want to I mean if we're limited it to 10 it to me it shouldn't matter. It's 30 minutes, right? It's it's realistic though in you know it's my time. It's only five speakers typically because of poning.

Yeah. Five each. So, so basically 15 for each side if there's a if there's a four and against. And to me, if I want to give Dwight my time and it's 15 minutes, right? It's if he spoke all 15 and then and he's speaking on what I Roger, you you was on the other side of it and people wanted to donate and it just ended up two people talking each viewpoint. I'm fine with that. So I mean that's the I mean I may I may not be comfortable getting up in front of people. Right. Right. you know, so and he might be talking about what I'm

I was going to say anyway. Yes. So, go right ahead. Just keep going. Right. Right. I mean, I I agree. Uh I'm I I I would tend to agree with that. So, the question is, do we send it back back or vote on it or vote on it with an amendment? My only thought was I don't know why we would need somebody to speak the whole time. one person. Normally it wouldn't happen. Well, no. Yeah, but that is true. I've seen it in the past. But you can you can have 30 people sign up. Oh, sure. But you're only going to let five of them speak. Exactly. On each side. On each side. Four and against. Right.

But what's been happening is if there's 30 people signed up, 30 people. He's saying I'm donating my time to him. I'm donating. So we're not really stopping that. Incorrect. I think I mean that's that's a responsibility of the chair. I get it before to where we I mean we've had some and I know we've had some heated discussions and topics that we had one that run an hour and a half. Oh yeah. Of public comments. And I mean you know and again that's you know I don't mind listening. That's what I'm here for

is to listen to the the people. Uh, so it does if we're going to limit it to 30 m, basically 30 minutes. I don't mind saying, well, you know, Dwight, you could do 15. I And if four other people said, oh, no, Dwight can have my time. He's he's more eloquent. He's more, you know, got the vernacular for it. He he can speak on my behalf because I'm just I I'm not good at it. Right. All we're doing is giving the chair the ammunition that he needs to say to stop to stop it right at the 30 minute line. Exactly. And not take up all night,

right? Or an hour and a half. Okay. So, I think the the person should be able to donate his time. We need to make sure though that the opponent opposing side has to stop at their halftime. Well, again, I'm with Roger. I think that would be up to the chair. That's what I said. It's all It just hadn't been happening, right? And I think that's up to the chair to say, "Okay, I'm going to do five and five." Well, he I think they need to understand, well, that's 30 minutes. So, one side gets 15, the other side should get 15,

right? And if there's 15 of people to want to speak, um, and you know, if one gets up there and they give them the three-minute warning and they decide they're going to, okay, I'm done. I've got a little concern. I mean, it says they are. And if we keep donating the time, maybe there's two people sitting over there that signed up that really won't speak, right? You run out of time because somebody else is going, I'll donate mine. Well, no. No. I I think it has a list. He's got a list. I think he's supposed to go in order. And right,

you know, if the list is is, you know, I'm all right, let me pull one for four. Well, I pulled John Smith for the four. Okay. at three minutes gets up and he signals that hey your three months has ended. Okay. And Okay. Well, I'm going to do an against. I mean I I it's up to the chair. It's up to the chair to moderate. We're just giving the the rules and the ammunition to be able to do it. Yeah. For him to be able to say and what he wants to do control. Other things we've been rules are are that it's 15 each side. Here you go.

We're not sticking with our rules, period. And we've got attorneys and we've got people from other organizations. Oh, no. I showing up and talking for Yeah. And I mean, and they're not even county employees. I mean, well, they're not county res. And I mean, but we're letting them do it. And I just I don't think we need to because one we're opening oursel if our rules say county residents and that's what the state law says that you can limit it. You know now grantee I understand that we could limit it unlimited and say anybody can speak

on anything but we're trying to get it but to me that's chaos. Another thing we end up doing though is after the public speaking and we get an agenda item on there, we're letting other people come off out of the audience. Sure. To discuss Yeah. But you're saying we we have no control of that room. It's the gentleman sitting in the chair. I understand. Okay. It's his responsibility to call order, not ours.

And I do and we're giving him that. I do agree that there's representatives on certain agenda items that are experts or somebody who help maybe draft something or work at it and they are there to explain to us what that is we're looking at. But we also in some cases when it's a particular item, maybe those people sitting in the audience didn't get to speak on what this speaker was talking about. We want to let them stand up and say, "Well, here's my little problem about that." So, how do we do that?

Well, I think they had their chance in public comments for on that agenda item. I mean the the to me the agenda item was there. They can talk on any agenda item there was. I guess that's my little problem about donating time. Well, I don't think to me the donation of time doesn't forbid me, you or anybody else that would be in the public that would be out there in the gallery from being able to speak. But maybe there's only one thing I want to talk about on this one particular item and we've let this I mean I kind of get your point all the time and they didn't even cover my part.

I I kind of get but I get Rogers too that the that list has got you know one through 10 or one through 30 whatever how many there is four and again I mean and then I've marked four and I'm on this agenda item. Well, there's there's a hot topic on there and there's everybody else is wanting to. I see what you're saying is that I might not get chosen because they've picked the hot button to get everybody there and they may start donating time that's going to burn the 30 minutes up.

The the thing you talked about earlier and I totally agree with. I'm not a good speaker, but if this guy didn't cover my topic, but he took all the time. I'm also the person that's hating to stand up and say three more people are saying I'm donating time and say I'd like to speak, right? Nobody does that. No, but but it's number it's C, letter C. The commission will provide each person with a maximum of three minutes. It's not 30. It's not 50. We could do something different to help. It's three minutes. That's all they got. And that's all the chair is allowing them to speak is three minutes.

We could say the first five people at three minutes. But on the part about donating, if I donate, then I've gave you three more minutes. Right. Right. But that was my choice because I'm on the list to do that. I will I will. He should go to the next person to do. Well, maybe he should go to whoever the chair has picked second. Ask that individual, not the cat, not the not the sure participants in the of the whole crowd. He asks that person or you know or that that person's only one that's allowed to,

right? And and I and I get that too. I mean, Joe Blow who signed up that was number 40 on the list shouldn't be able to holler up in the back, hey, I'm donating Roger my time. No. No. you know, you probably wasn't going to get there anyway, right? But but the chair has to take that control. So he when it gets close to that three minutes, he shouldn't hear from nobody but the person next. Right. And I agree with that. I mean, when the you know, if you spoke for three minutes and Dwight happens to be number two on, he should look down on the list and go number two. You want to speak?

Exactly. And then I'd go to number three before I donate and say, "Do you want to speak?" until I got at least five people say, "No, I don't want to." Right. So, I mean, I think that that's what we should do instead of say you cannot donate. So, do we want to send it back with a recommendation or since he understands what our point is and you are on policies and procedures, it might be good to send it back for that clarification. Uh, or he can entertain them our point and then he can come back and put it out.

And if I'm able to, I don't mind coming back. I don't mind going to policy when they have their meeting, right? To tell them what our concerns were. Exactly. Exactly. Then bring it back and put it for a vote. Confused about legislative and policies and procedures. Who's overlapping? Right. Do they do both of them? Do we need both? Yes. When it gets down to the full commission decides it anyway. Yeah. But where the check jumping back and forth just takes a lot. I think technically we're supposed to be the check and balance that finds these errors before they go to full commission to try to get them as streamlined as possible

when they get there stuff. Sure. There you go. I think we ought to sit down on the uh work session and have these discussions. Sure. Right. But we need to iron out the issues as of any policy that goes before the commission. And it's supposed to run through us before it gets there to have any of, you know, to prevent this to get another set of eyes on stuff to prevent this in there to make most of them run more efficiently. Exactly. That's why legislative is in where it's at. Well, actually, this was all approved in the past, wasn't it? What's that? And we're wanting to make it better, right? Nothing wrong with that.

Yeah. I think the fact now was that there was no limit and that they've seen that in the future there's going to be more and more that there could be some runins of I mean of what we had the

I mean like you said it's it's up to the chairman and if there's no this makes a realm of consistency that hey there's 30 minutes period that's it um at the maximum it doesn't matter if there's a rock quarry on the agenda or whatever 30 minutes and you get, you know, basically five, four, five against and that's it. So there it is. And here we're going to run down these and go with it. And there's not going to be hour and a half, two hour public comments that, you know, basically we're here till midnight,

right? So I will entertain a motion to do whatever. I still agree everything that was said, but it's back to the chairman and it's not stating in the policy that the chairman should move to the next person. It does. It does not say that in there and it's it's possible to do it again. That's so there again, do we do we send it back to where we bring those concerns back to policy and procedure and they add that take it away, leave it like it is and just add some. I mean, yeah, they could take we could send it back and they say, "Nope, that's how we want it." Okay.

Yeah. Bring it back. We'll set it up there for And then this this committee still votes the way they want to and it's still going to be the full commission. So that's what it needs to be. It is. And I agree with you. It it will be I mean I mean because technically you can bypass this committee by two sponsoring commi commissioners sponsoring it and shooting it to the floor. You can bypass it. You don't have to send everything through us. So

you didn't speak. I'm listen strong silent time. We need to vote it right. I think we need to send it back. Okay. Let them and and and bring up those. And like I said, I I don't mind going when policy meets to express the concerns that everybody had and talked about. I don't I don't mind at all. Well, we had however many people showed up. Sure. And that was consensus there. With the more input, they might have changed what they were doing anyway. So, I'm just Sure. I'm just hoping we don't have to jump back and forth that many times. No.

When it still goes usually on sending anything back, it goes back one time and comes back and and then it, you know, but we could work that out actually in uh work session. It's too clo Well, it's just not voted. I mean, it's not going to be No, you could bring the concerns up. Yes, certainly. Yes, we could. We it could be brought up in the work session before the commission meeting and everybody understand what's going on and then decide on their own what they want to do and then when it come up for the vote on commission it could you know it could be amended on the floor. It could be but I think it would work smoother. It just takes go back to takes more takes longer.

It's just back to there and back here one more time. I mean, after you get it, see to see how y'all rewrote it and and then whatever that was that you rewrote over our concern goes to the vote no matter what. What needs to be done then tonight? It looks like this committee react with a consideration to add the their uh sure wording basically and send it back and say will you accept that or not? Yeah. And that ought to end it.

That's my feeling. So what's the consensus of the committee? What would you like to see added or Well, that's our Well, I guess what what I would want will do is basically limit the chairman and say the chairman cannot no time can be no donated until these stipulations have to be done. Okay, that'll end it right by going down the line. And I get what you're saying is going down the line or you want to speak or you want instead of letting somebody say I'll donate m. Yeah. Right. Right. Right. Because he's way down here. You actually have to name that person and say yes, you signed up and you're next.

He's got he's got the list. If you don't want to speak number three, do you want to speak instead of saying donate donate? I think that needs to be the procedure basically, right? Because what we have been doing and what we were talking about was that number two could donate.

I don't think he should be until number three and four and five get a chance because you can knock number five off by number two, number three, and number four because at first you got to speak anyway. Now, if five would get knocked off, if if one spoke, two, three, and four donated their time to one, then five still going to get to speak, right? Right. Because you're going to get at least five people, right? Five slots to speak because that's three minutes, five, 15 minutes. Right. If there's a four and against,

right? If it's if there's, you know, not really a bunch of them, like I said, for or against, typically what I've seen him do is just run down the list. Now, yeah, Dwight Miller, what do you come on up? I'm going to speak on this matter. Okay. Tim Brown, uh, this matter. Roger Roger Chambers, this matter. Frank Watkins, this matter, so and so, this matter. Well, isn't that on that on the, uh, signup sheet? It is. It's what on the agenda you're wanting to speak about. And it isn't it for and against. And then there at the end it says four and against. Right. Or am I neutral? Right. He's got it right there. So he just So if anything, I mean, even though they're in the line, I mean, it's going to take some coordination from the chairman. Yeah.

Who calls them to look down there and go, "Okay, I've got all right. I got five people here. Okay, I got Let me ask one, three, seven, and nine." Or four, and I got, you know, this one's on something totally different. So, I need to I mean it's he could take two colors highlighters. It's going to be up to him to kind of coordinate and I mean and it doesn't have to be just 15. I mean he could there could be several people on there. Again, it's to me it's going to have to be the chairman's job to to be able to coordinate that because

you may have folks there a bunch other folks there. There could be 20 people signed up that you've got 18 of them want to speak on 18 other different things on that agenda and if there's four or five I mean you may just get one or two four and against on hell you may get you may just get one four and one against and okay we've had that on that item all right there's other folks in this signup sheet that want to speak about whatever right they need to have their time up there and this one agenda item does not need to monopolize the 30 minutes of time.

I think we're getting to the point where we need to be. I think not only should you go to number two and ask them do they want to speak or donate. I think it needs to be who has another Well, at this point, I mean, unless somebody can come up with something of what our recommendations of verbiage is, we can what you were just talking about. I think if there's another uh topic, sure,

we need to get that next. Do we need to say in there something about or do we need to have a recommendation that something in there says that if um if a um variety of agenda items are are listed on the signup sheet, the the chairman uh um the chairman of the CLB shall uh try to give all uh how do I need to word that? Well, on that signup sheet, it's it's got the topic. Well, it says agenda item that you're seeking. All we need to do is tell the chairman on our procedures,

right, that move to the next topic for the next person, right? Until it's exhaust exhausted. Well, you would have you would have a signup sheet for each topic of No, it's one it's one signup sheet. Yeah, but it should be one for each topic on the agenda. Oh, I don't see where we were able to do that. God, that's a lot of signup sheets. Well, I mean, that's a good idea, though. I mean, it is a lot of signup sheets. Well, you're only taking uh five people for each side. Well, no, you're taking you're taking 10 people

different topics. You've got 10 people. I don't want to see somebody monopolize one topic and somebody sitting out there going, "That's not even my topic, right? I mean, I wanted to speak. I mean that's why if the signup sheets look and I agree if I don't care if I'm the only one out there I got just as much right to speak on my topic as exactly somebody there about if a rock again and there was 500 people here since we've got a signup sheet that says is your topic to speak on

we need to make sure the chairman goes down the list and says all right you're number one so your topic's automatic Look at the next topic, the next person. What is their topic? If it's the same thing, go to the next person. If they got a different topic, give them a chance. And what we were talking about is not going to let that happen. If just the first five people signed up, it doesn't matter what the topic is, nobody else gets to talk. If there's five people covering the problem though,

is it do we need to put something in there that our recommendation that if if more than one topic um is is if if more than one if if more than one topic is to be addressed through public comments, the chairman shall u shall make u see that's where I'm losing it. I should make afford at least all topics the availability to talk before all 30 minutes is exhausted by one agenda item. Well, that could be a really long meeting too.

Well, now if you're giving 30 minutes period in the story, which is what they're saying that's they've recommended because it says 10 people, three minutes a piece, that's 30 minutes period. Doesn't matter if I don't think we're still covering if it doesn't sitting out there that doesn't have any interest in a rock quarry. But where did the 90% of the people want to? It was in there. I know. But where did it come from? Policies and procedures.

What the do not know? Yes, it was it was typically suggested in the past, but there was a blank line on the setup. Uh, and that was recommended by I think the state 10. No, I think it was 10, but we could change whatever, but it was a blank. And so policies and procedures said I suggested let's make it 10.

Okay. Well, I think the first thing to cover is how many how many topics they are. You know, you got to you got to cover every item on the agenda. Okay. Or or leave that or or have that opportunity. Somebody might want nobody might not want to speak on it, you know. Well, then then you're getting away from 10 then, right? So, it's just three minutes per person per item. Per item? I mean, per You're going to be here all night. No, no, we're not. Let's remove the 10.

Then you're going to be here all night. If you remove the 10 to me, you're going to No, no, no. We need to put a different number there, you know. I think that's okay. Well, what's But we never know how many items are on the agenda. We don't, you know, but all items on the agenda have to be covered. You have to give them that opportunity. No, you give them the opportunity. To me, you're giving them the opportunity. It's just you're saying that it is 10 people. You're saying 10 people. It doesn't matter if it's a 100 item agenda or a five item agenda. Okay. You're you're being fair. You're saying it's 10 period

in my eyes. Okay. I'll do whatever the committee wishes. But to me, if you if you take the 10 out, then you might as well have not had this. If you take the 10 out, you you you might as well just get away with this and do away with it. But I want to make sure the first five people aren't given time for the same topic when other people might want to have a say. And I topic. That's what I was trying to get around to. Right. Right. To begin with, right? That's why I was against donating time because I see what they're trying to do because I I do see that

that Yeah. the guy in the back who signed up, you know, when he first got or when he got here two minutes before the meeting and there was already 400 people signed up. I know that's not me, but but 50 people signed up and he was 49th. He probably wasn't going to make it anyway, right? But yet he hollered out, he or she hollered out in the back, I'll donate my time, right? You really wasn't gonna have time to donate anyway, right? because it was probably getting cut off before you were getting to you anyway. Um, more than likely. Now, grant you, like I said, we've had some that went hour and a half. All right. I mean, it just kept going back and forth with fours and against.

Oh, I've seen it. Yeah. So, but the pol I mean, the one sheet, which is one of these things down here, uh, is part of this says What? It's a topic you want to speak on. Oh, yeah. It's on the sign up. It's your name, address. The chairman needs to name, your address, county, and it says agenda item and you're supposed to put in there 7 A, 7 B, 7 C, whatever. Right. I, you know, and I am for or I'm against or I'm neutral and and go on. Yeah.

And I see what Dwight's saying. Yes. And I see what you're saying. Well, it's both. I want both. And like I said, I'm not against donating as long as somebody else has a chance to talk about something else. And I agree with that because I don't think we need 30 minutes from one person, right? If you can't say what you need to say unless three minutes I mean technically to me I mean you were to be able to get your point off in three minutes. Yes. Yeah. It was suggested two in the state and we made third three. Oh, so the state was recommended was two and that I think that's what

I can't get going in two minutes. I think that's really what the county's policy whatever was 2 minutes initially. Well, if we can't come up if we can't come up with any verbiage to recommend, uh, I mean, we can certainly send it back. And again, I don't mind if the committee wants it sent back. Well, I'm not against that. I don't mind coming. We can make our little comments and send it back to policies and procedures and not put it on the uh agenda this time,

right? and say, "Here's what we're working on." But we do need to work on it and Yes. and come up with something that we talked about. I think we'll all be happy with. Correct. It's just verbiage. We just need to get somebody to put it down in writing and say, "I'm good with that." Right? I'm not the person that's good at that. As you heard for the last 20 minutes, may you either. what I was trying to say. I get lost about halfway into it about what I'm wanting to get out. So, Right. Right. It's easy sidetracked, right?

But yes, I feel a concern there. We'll put it that way. And maybe we can assist in writing that. And that that is to prevent this out there. Yes. We need to limit but we need to give opportunity. Yes. Correct.

So what say the committee? Do we want to send it back with some verbiage or just with a recommendation? You want to write it? I'm right. Let's send it back and and then we're all say we've got concerns. These are our concerns. We want people to get opportunity for different items. So, don't mind the donation of time if nobody else has other other agenda items are able to be covered and that they don't just they're not just donating time from people that probably wasn't going to get to speak anyway, right? that it should be some kind of uniformity down the down the signup sheet sheet,

right? Well, I don't want the thing to be a long No, no, no. policy. No, but no, it shouldn't. I mean, somehow we need to limit saying uh donating time until other topics have been covered. There you go. donation to time cannot be cannot be considered until all other uh agenda items have been addressed have been addressed that are that are requested to be covered and still be and I think uh policies and procedures would be happy with that

look at you give you a little time you come through So, are we saying that a recommendation to be back to policy and procedure with um with a recommendation to consider that donation time donation of time can cannot be considered until other agenda items are addressed?

I think that'll do it. Okay. and just add a little more to what what's there and and that would literally be just another sentence or two that be it right. Yeah. Who who wants to make that motion? I'll make that motion. Okay. Commissioner Miller second. I'll second. Go ahead. Okay. I'll second. All right. Commissioner Brown. All in favor uh Commissioner Miller's recommendation. I All right. I think that's

it's not fair. I'll have to come up here tomorrow. Um, and I'll just print that we all voted uh on the uh forwarding form back to policy since it was not included in our packet. So, usually I get everybody to sign it. So, well, one thing we could do, we could make an amendment. There's not one on the agenda anyway. It's a We could make it the agenda, but we still got to go back to get it approved back there. But it's pretty much going to meet before not before the meeting. Before the 14th? Not that I know of.

Okay. But I'm pretty sure they're not going to be against Okay. any of it because who's chairman of policy? Is it Terry? Yes. Is it Terry? Okay. I can get with him when he's out of town and I think he'll be back before Thursday because we got capital outlay. Okay. All right. Public comment policy taken care of. Okay. Work from home policy. I think that one if you'll see in your pocket packets, I think it's pretty self-explanatory. Yes. Uh Coff County government does not authorize any employee to work from home. I don't know how much more planer you can get. And several of the department people and elected officials, right,

thought that was good. So, right. I say not concerns. So any any discussion on that or any comments? Well, I guess if we need to approve it also. So I'll make the motion we forward it to the full commission. All right. So Commissioner Miller motion to forward the work from home policy to the full commission. Do I have a second? I second. Commissioner Chambers second. All in favor?

I. All right, here's the next um sick leave revision. Now, there was quite a bit of sick leave revision. Uh from what um I had Heather send me and I apologize for not having these printed out. Heather got them to me and I was in a meeting till 4:30 and had to run home and get back. So, I wasn't able to print them off. Um the current sick leave is basically um the what you have on here um the current is basically the first two pages. What has been amended is basically the last two pages of what you have uh from what she sent um the sick leave uses the sick leave abuse um doctor uh certificate those have been added from what I understand so but yeah

there was discussion from elected and Yes. Yeah. Departments I think basically thought there might be some abuse and they wanted to tighten it up a little bit. Well, and I think it gave some teeth to department heads and elected officials that you know where there was some maybe some questionable um questions about it, but it really wasn't clarified under the employee handbook. Well, I don't know if that's really abuse or not. They're using it, you know, um that kind of thing. So, um, but yeah, some were and some weren't apparent. Sure. Sure. That was trying to stir it up,

right? I looked over it. I I didn't see any questions in it. Um, so I will if everybody I'll make a motion to approve it as as it is. Okay. Commissioner, I'll second. Chambers made a motion to accept forward to the full commission. And uh Commissioner Miller second. All in favor? I I

All right. This will be forwarded to the uh full commission. All right. Um here lately we have not been having a regular meeting. Um I I'll Is everybody good with how we're doing it as items are forwarded to us? Does does That's fine. I just did not see having a meeting when there was nothing on the agenda just for the I felt the same way when I was on budget finance. I mean if there's nothing to talk about, you know, item that's not critical, it's not worth calling the meeting. It's not worth the money that they're paying us to be here just to come in and

spend five minutes and go, "Okay, we're done. See you by." To me, I don't think that's a economical use of the money. Uh, next meeting to be announced. Next meeting to be announced. I'll entertain a motion for adjournment. I'll make that motion. Commissioner Miller, second. Commissioner Brown. All in favor? Thanks, everyone.