Ambulance Authority - Regular Meeting

Oh, now we're green. We may get you to this part. And you can just tell them what we're at.

I don't know what this part is.

Well, that's the ambulance grant. That's a lot. we have all members and guests present except dr trusler so we have a quorum um We're moving on down to the... Nope, you got him now. Never mind, we're fully attended. Long name.

Away from Brazil.

Yeah, what happened? It's coming.

Let's see.

You got another set of them?

Yeah.

So we're down to the agenda. Anybody want to add or take or cut anything out of the agenda?

Are you going to add this to the agenda?

We'll just put that on the director's board.

Okay.

You can just pop that in there on the director's board.

All right.

And tell them what we've done and what the pros are.

Motion to approve agenda.

Motion to approve agenda. What about a second?

I'll second.

Well, you have a second. We have a motion and a second. All in favor say aye. Aye. All right. Public comments? Any of you three want to talk? Okay. All right. Then we move on. previous meeting minutes of the previous meeting second you have a motion in a second on purpose a now okay should have took that off the agenda review approved write-offs and bad debts from budget finance Mary Ann's office was closed today, so she didn't get that out, so we don't have that to go around. We can't.

Or the quarterly.

Yeah, we can't do that today, or the quarterly. So we're going to keep six and seven, and I'm sure next month we'll have two. We'll pick up next month's, or this month's next month. All right. Director's report. All right.

Uh, the last director from the, uh, current previous, current direct previous, previous, previous, they got you out the door, 870 calls, which is down from nine 89 for the previous month. Uh, and down from last year as well. Uh, averaging down now to 31.07 a day, uh, averaging calls per month at nine Oh four down from last year at nine 14. If we continue at this rate, then by the end of the year, we'll run about 10,848, which is very close to last year's 10,976. So we're kind of pretty much right on par as we've been. Nothing's changed. Yeah, nothing really amazing. Same thing here. You can see the large numbers are the zones, and the one in parentheses are the average since I started July of 2013, and the numbers are generally close. Manchester has always been the one that fluctuates in big swings, but it's also the big area. Any questions on that? Again, same thing here. Shoot time is a little up. From the 1 minute and 3 seconds up to 1 minute and 14 seconds, that fluctuates within some limits as well. Response time is a little down. Scene time is a little down. Total time is a little down. Busiest day was Wednesday, and the time was 1 to 2 p.m. Again, nothing amazing there either. Any questions on that? Unit status, excuse me, maintenance costs are up because ambulances are getting old and we're getting more of them with higher mileage on it. We've not had any major, but we've had a lot of breaks and disc and oil pan on one that they just couldn't get to quit leaking and just little things like that that come when you've got old engines. Otherwise, the fleet is holding up, I feel like, very well considering its age. You know, we still have the new one on order, and so obviously we're just waiting on that. Do you want to cover the other here while we're talking units?

Sure. Well, we can do that. You want to talk about it? Since you and the mayor.

About the grant?

Yeah.

I was going to ask about that.

Tell them briefly about the grant.

So the state sent out a grant for $304,000 to rural counties for the purchase of a new ambulance. Now, the issue, I didn't even know about this until Bonner told me today. The issue with it is you have to take possession by October of next year. 18 months. You can't get an ambulance that quick.

And because 88 counties just got $300,000 to buy an ambulance, 88 counties are fixing to order new ambulances.

So, of course, that's going to push production out.

Even worse. At the director's meeting earlier this day, no director there felt like anybody would ever pull it off. You can't. So, you know, we already have an ambulance on order. but you can't use the money for an ambulance you've already got on order. The order date has to be after the grant was approved and the delivery date has to be before the grant ends.

The grant was approved yesterday for us.

So TASA is pushing with the state to try to push to get the end date pushed back farther than next October because everybody agrees nobody's going to get an ambulance by next October. The gentleman, I won't name the county, but it totally matters, has one on order that he said will get here mid-October, but he said it's been on order for like six months already. You know, and so there's no way you're going to order one now and get it by next October.

October 27th. 27th.

Yes.

And there's no, I mean, obviously you can't let, hey, we'll cancel the order today and put it back in tomorrow.

Not that you've said it on public record. No, we can't.

So we probably need to get one ordered.

Well, you know, that is a thought, even saying it in public. Hey, I'm transparent. I'm going to say it. I mean, if it's just a matter of, hey, well, technically you can't, hey, we're going to cancel the order. Hey, can we renew? By the way, I know you've already got one coming. Can I just piggyback off that? If the purpose is to be able to allow a county to buy an ambulance, then it's succeeded with that, you know, in doing so.

Well, that ambulance doesn't, I mean, when you order it, you don't order it with a VIN number, so how can they tell you which one you ordered and what sequence it came in?

They'll do that on the, when you submit that paperwork, it will be from the dealership. Now, that I do know, and it'll have the order date, what they ordered, So much into production, they will issue the VIN number. It'll go on it, and then you will get that paperwork.

So it does come with a VIN. When you make an order, it comes with a VIN.

After so long into the queue, the plant will then issue the VIN number for that order. Because that way they know that's yours. And so you will get that paperwork that says.

Do we have that yet, though?

No? Yes.

We do have it.

You do? For the one that's on the horse. Oh, then, yeah. So we do have that. Yeah, because we wanted a Chevrolet chassis, and they couldn't get a Chevy, and so they had to go to a Ford, and so he has assigned it. Now, the one plan that we've got to look into, we've talked about this before, buying an ambulance that is a new chassis with a rebuilt box of somebody's box, you know, like we remount our boxes. Now, those are always available immediately. The problem is they're available immediately, and counties have to go through the bid process. So by the time I put a 30-day bid out, he's already sold that ambulance to somebody else.

And I think the quickest we can bid, I think, is 15 days, I think.

So the people that are buying these are private companies, I guess. They don't have to have county pay.

Exactly. Yeah, the big ones, AMR, you know.

I just didn't know if there's some other, if other counties are finding ways to do that process in an expedited way.

That would, and maybe there is, but I don't know it. Maybe they'll figure one out. Because, yes, by the time they say, all right, here's the one, you know, we've turned in our bid. and I say, all right, great, that's the one I want, they won't hold it because they gave me a bid on it. First guy that walks in with cash is gone.

I mean, I know certain type of specialty equipment you can purchase that way. I don't know if that would qualify since there's different companies that offer them.

You know, so if you could go through like Sourcewell, But the problem is, of course, none of these are in that because that's a bid-out thing each year as well. Yeah.

So, anyway, that would be the – And most of your vehicles are on state contract.

Right.

And, yeah.

That's the only thing I can think of that we might could pull off.

And we – What's the cost on one of the rebuilt box? Is it cheaper?

They're cheaper. They're not cheap, but you're still looking at probably $300. All right. I haven't priced them because, of course, it's not been a method we've used ever.

Might save about $40,000, $30,000, $40,000 a month.

Yeah. Anyway, I'll get with Marianna and see if she can think of a way that we can make that work or write the bid to allow the... vehicle to be assigned it i don't know because each box is different and and they price it based on how much they've had to put into redoing that box if the box was in great shape they didn't put a lot in it that ambulance is cheaper but if they've had to put this there and this is probably a stupid question is there a way to put a bid in on one and let's say hypothetically

You know, we go through the process, 15 days, it gets sold out from under us, but then we get approval for that that's already been, you know, as it goes through the 15, 30-day process. It's like, okay, you can do it. Well, we lost that purchase. Can we then take that approval that went through the appropriate committees and apply it toward a similar? No, because it'll be, you know.

Dr. J submitted a bid for this vehicle. Dr. Gil submitted one. Lori submitted one. I lost yours. I can't, you know, I can go that route, but if there was like only one, like if there was one out there, no, you couldn't then take it and go search again. Now, you can go within whoever bidded

That's what I was wondering.

Now, you can go within if three people bidded.

If Jay had the low bid.

If you had the low bid, then all of a sudden it got gone. Now, you can go to the next bidder.

But you had another one that was that price or cheaper. Yes. Or you could go to the next bid.

Or you can go to the next bid. Usually, it's to the next bidder.

Right. You might play the odds and finally find somebody who still has one, you know, still had the one they bid.

The hopes would be more than one person submit the bid to us. Right. They have A, B, and C choices. Hopefully we get one of them.

Well, I can't imagine anybody would be giving us a bid on an ambulance with the demand and the backup.

See, that's going to be the other part. We don't go solicit them. We literally open it up and say, Coffey County is accepting bids for this vehicle. Submit. If they submit, great. If they don't, then we're out of luck.

But part of that would be time dependent, you know, like delivery October 27th. 90-day delivery, which nobody's going to submit in that case, right?

None of the new ones are. None of the ones who are building a new one. Right.

The host is doing this for one that's sitting on a lot somewhere and then just say, hey, look, I'm going to have to get you to submit a bid for it.

Yeah.

And hopefully there's a couple more out there. If we could find two or three that's sitting there and get purchasing to throw it out real quick and get the 15 days and call them and say submit your bid and do it that way, that would be the only hopes. And they stay put for 15 days.

Anyway, they're trying to push the deadline out because somebody has finally realized 88 counties have fixed order new ambulances on top of the ones we've already all ordered and are waiting on already. You know, and you're going to push it down to a two- or three-year delivery because it can't get chassis.

Chevrolet – And you got how many companies that make ambulances?

I don't know. Not enough. But Chevrolet has just said we're no longer going to build a chassis to put a one-ton chassis for an ambulance. Right. Their one-ton chassis, the box exceeds the weight of the new Chevrolet chassis.

So they're just going to have one?

Right. So he called me and said, hey, we're going to have to go to a Ford. Well, luckily, I had written the bid to say Chevrolet or Ford. And so he said, look, it's already in the bid. We don't have to change anything. The price doesn't change. It'll just be a Ford. F350, 4x4, Type 1, you know, instead of a gas burner, instead of a Chevy. And so I checked with Marianna, you know, we can do that because the bid had that in there. So that means, though, that there's that many fewer chassis if Chevrolet's one-ton chassis is no longer usable. I don't know. It's going to be a mess.

um but anyway that's in the works and hopefully they can get the date pushed back or say use a po or something would that that would be the one of the easier like we talked about before the meeting would be hey as long as you submit the po we will hold the money and once that you take delivery we will release the money but that is not how it currently is no so but y'all made the comment that would be too simple to do that would be too simple so we will see but The grant that I just had was you had to purchase it and receive everything and have it in your possession by the end of the grant.

Yeah, and that's how this one is currently written.

Yeah, the new ones are wrote like that. You have to... had possession of all your stuff by the end of the grant period.

Yeah. Have we made payment on the one that we've got ordered?

Nope.

So if it's written that it's got to be purchased, we haven't purchased it. We've ordered it, but not purchased it.

But I think didn't the grant say it has to be ordered after the grant?

Ordered or purchased? I mean, that word matters. I think it's ordered. Okay, if it's ordered, that's different, but if it says it must be purchased after, then where is it?

Hey, I got one order. Can I use it for this one?

Nope. Somebody had already tried that. Somebody tried that one.

He's like, nope, you didn't order it after the grant was approved.

Any more questions on that? Okay. Staffing. We have two openings to get up to 10 a shift, and five to try to get the captains off the trucks. All of them need to be medics. We currently have nobody out on work comp. One of those two resigned, and the other one is back to work. And the one that has been out on medical has retired, so we have nobody out on medical as well. We have nobody in medical school because it doesn't start until the fall. I've got a girl who wants to go. Most of the county paid for it. She's doing what we asked. She's trying to go with the Tennessee promise. That's the other one, though. It's the return to win it. What? Reconnect. Reconnect. Anyway, she's doing what we asked, which was look at every other financial option. And so it's not definite yet, but she's trying. She's definitely going to school. It's just a matter of trying to finance it. So, again, we'll start to follow. So that's, you know. Any questions on that? Staffing look better? No reds. We still have days when people call out sick, and there's nothing you can do about it. There's stuff going around, as always. And, of course, we spend our days dealing with the sick people so we catch it. But I still think that looks much better. Any questions on that?

And then there's that.

In your packet, you will find my retirement letter. It's not a resignation letter, but it is my letter to submit that I intend to retire at the end of this month. Two weeks notice for the county policy. How about reading that?

Put it on.

I am writing to formally notify you of my intention to retire from my position as Chief of Coffey County EMS. My last day of work will be July 31st, 2026, providing two weeks notice per county policy. During my 13 years as Chief, I have deeply appreciated the opportunities for professional growth and the chance to contribute to our team's success. Working alongside talented colleagues and serving our patients has been truly rewarding. Thank you for your management and support throughout my tenure. I look forward to seeing the emergency medical services continue to serve and grow under new leadership. Sincerely, Michael Bonner.

Okay. You said 13 years as chief. How long have you worked here?

Total of 26 years. 26 years. Started January the 5th of 85 and was here 11 years and then had to open my own animal service and then I came back a couple of years and then went and took a job in a factory for a year, and then came back as chief. So total of 26, total of 41 in the EMS. In the EMS.

Yeah. Okay. That's very good.

Five. Anybody got any questions for them? I'm sorry? You started when you were five. I turned 65 Monday. It was past Monday.

Anybody got any questions for the director?

Do you have any ongoing projects right now that we – are going to have to be turned over that we need to... Oh, I thought you meant at the house if you're going to come help me when I retire.

Give me an hour. I have a very big list of those.

I'm just right down the little street. I'll just come up.

Yeah, I appreciate that. Yeah. um this ambulance deal is you know ongoing yeah of course staffing is always ongoing but um i don't think paul we've got any big projects in the middle of production other than waiting on this waiting on the new animals to come in and then of course trying to work out how we're going to get this next one that's the two big projects going on anybody else that's it

Okay. We will move on then to old business, any old business. No? Move on to new business. And I think we covered that. Michael Bonner's intent to retire. So, I think we covered that one. And we'll move on to B, prerequisites for the new director.

In your packets, you should have a copy of the job description for the director of Coppican EMS. The very last page and the very last item, number eight, is qualifications. This was the pre-existing as of 2014 when this document was created. and it says require knowledge skill and ability to satisfactorily perform job duties as normally acquired through one year certificate from college or technical school plus six to eight years of EMS experience including three years of supervisory experience or equivalent combination of education and experience of course it requires a paramedic license basic trauma life support advanced cardiac life support and CPR certification those were, they weren't even in place when I was hired because I was hired in 13, but when the county made a big project of getting job descriptions for the position because they didn't really have them, that's what it came up with then. So this board either needs to say, all right, let's just use those or make any changes that y'all feel necessary for what y'all want to see in the new director's list of prerequisites.

I sent you all, our board, an email today from the state that has their requirements. I just got it this afternoon.

I didn't see that. No, I didn't see it.

You hadn't had it long.

Is there anything, Chief, that's on there that's not in there that you would recommend being there or that is standard with other places that are hiring?

So where it says six to eight years of EMS experience, I'm not sure why we didn't just pick a number, why we would set six or eight to eight. And I really think it should say 9-1-1 experience because there are medics who have worked six to eight years in the convalescent industry and have never run emergency call one. We just tried to hire one a couple of months ago. It did not work out because he just couldn't get up to speed. He couldn't. He was just so used to that very slow pace of convalescent world that it did not work out. So I do think they need to have been some now and when. Then the three years of supervisory I think is a great idea. Whether you need to be more specific or whether you accept a supervisor, a shift supervisor, a captain, or does it have to be assistant director, director, somewhere higher up? I could go either way on. This last line about equivalent combination of education and experience, I have no idea what that means. What other experience is the same as running in an ambulance? I don't know of a...

I mean... They're just... Wouldn't they just be meaning your education and your EMS experience... That's the way I take it.

Yeah. Equivalent, I mean, equivalent, then why did you need to say it? Because it already, I don't know. It was just a weird phrase.

Maybe to the equivalent of, or is it back up here? Six to eight years of experience. Maybe the education and experience, you may not have six to eight years experience, but you've got the...

I don't know what education is the equivalent to running 911 calls. You know what I'm saying? I mean, a bachelor's degree in anything It's not the same as picking up a gunshot wound to the head.

Yeah, we don't want somebody with a bachelor's and then just did, you know, if they've got six, you know, well, I got four years of education. Two years. And then two years of EMS. I mean.

That might, I mean, again, some.

That's what it's meaning, but I agree with him.

Maybe like emergency service job experience is maybe how we should word it, would you think?

Now, I agree with they need to have the emergency experience, the emergency response experience.

You need to get that wreck on the interstate, that gunshot to the chest, that, you know, stuck in a piece of equipment, farm equipment. I mean, there's just things that...

I think we need to put in there a minimum of EMS experience, whatever you guys decide is... however long that needs to be. I'd hate to lose someone who does just a year of EMS experience in this world but was a combat medic for years. So I don't want to limit because some combat medic that served in the military can't do it.

Instead of 911, you could just say emergency response.

emergency or military if you wanted to be afraid. But yeah, I would agree. It's not up to me.

Well, I mean, I think it needs to say emergency experience because that's what we're looking for. You've got to understand the emergency aspect, not the convalescent aspect.

It's termed with us as just prepared. So then that can be ER, ICU. So that could be your combat and...

What critical care from an EMS perspective?

Emergency critical care.

Emergency critical care.

And that would be a cover-all, just cover everything?

Instead of just 911 to include your...

But does that allow what you were talking about, like a... Like a covalescent type scenario.

The only issue is there is such thing as a critical care medic, which is an extra class you can take. And that still doesn't mean you've ever really even been in an ambulance, but never you could do covalescent and be critical care. So the term has a wee bit of a, you'd have to make sure it was worded to not mean you just had to go through that course.

But wouldn't we not weed those people out there?

Well, you might, but if you don't have it in your...

I still think emergency experience needs to be put in there somewhere.

We can either put it as a requirement, or you could put experience in emergency care. Preferred or something like that. We're highly recommended to emphasize that something. I mean, we can make it hard and fast, or we can just say how, because we obviously value that moving forward as part of it.

And obviously you can throw this whole document out and start over if y'all want. No. That's up to y'all. Oh, no.

We won't do that. No.

We'll do that. I'd probably strike the two. In the six to eight years, I'd just strike the two eight years and make it six years and then put 911 EMS experience or military medic. And that way it covers the two things. Because I think that's what you're really trying to prevent is a little bit.

excluding a military medic being able to do it right yeah we don't want to exclude well yeah well critical care response if you put it like that that's not if you say response that would right if we just say it one more response that's not saying I'm a critical care paramedic that's just saying I responded to critical care responses that correct and that would cover what was talking about right okay We could do it like that, and that would be it.

Do we think six years is enough? I mean, we've got the six-day year.

What did you have, Michael, when you were 13? I mean, you ran your own business when you started in 2013.

Well, I started in 85, and I got this job, the chief job, in 13. So 85, 95, 05, 15, I had a bunch. But I always believed... Once somebody has five years, they're good. Like they've seen it, and y'all can obviously, but for me, they've settled in, they get it, they know what they're doing, they're not gonna freak out on a call, and they kinda know, they start learning the area, you know, which doesn't have to be this area, obviously, but I always felt like anybody that had five years, and Paul, you feel like that's a valid number, they're gonna be okay, you know.

If you put, say, six years, five, six years, and then you've also got in there three years of supervisory thing, so how many, if they've been there three years, went up to supervisory thing? I mean, I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but it's gonna limit.

In order to have three years of supervisor, they've probably been there closer to 10.

Right.

Yeah.

So you said leave it at six? I'm good. I'm good with six.

So just listed as six years plus six years of critical care response?

Yeah. I don't think we said six years of critical care response. Like six years of EMS. Oh, six years. Six years of experience in EMS, but wasn't it three years in critical care? It didn't require beyond six in critical care.

It just said three years of advisory experience.

The way it's written, plus six, it says, of course, technical school to get your license, plus six to eight years of EMS experience, if I understood it, including six years of critical response, critical care, critical emergency response or something like that. So, yes, all six of those years when they need to get in a 911 type service.

Then that critical care response would cover that, right?

Would allow military.

Right, six years of critical care response. Right. And that covers the military.

It could cover ER if they said, look, I had two years in the ER and four in the field. I wouldn't want all six to be just ER. Okay. It gives the board enough leeway to say, yes, that would work, or no, that wouldn't. I mean, right? Sure. Which is kind of what you want.

Right.

And then including at least three years of supervisory experience. It doesn't say an additional three years. It just says of those six to eight years, three of them had to be supervisory.

Which those are going to be few and far between.

Again, yeah, they're probably going to have 10.

At that point, they'll have probably 8 to 10, like you said.

Yeah, they're going to make this. Most everybody's going to meet this right here, all this right here. They're going to meet the six years of critical care response, and they're going to meet the three years of, because the people I would say putting in for this are going to have more than that already. You would hope. Maybe, yeah. Let's hope.

Now, do you want to try to narrow it down so you don't get 50 applicants? And how would you do that? But you know, this is not bad, but wow. Because nowadays, if somebody puts it on Facebook, there'll be people from Alaska applying. I mean, you know, it will, like the guy before me was from Kansas. It's going to get out there, and it's going to go far and wide quickly, unlike even back when I was there. But now... who is going to get out there and and you know there are there are a lot of people willing to relocate to get a job I it was just a statement obviously this is the board's decision but do you want to have to wait through 50 you know and and what else could you put in here to to narrow it down more I don't know how you can narrow it.

Well, you could, instead of a supervisor, you could have it upper level. You could push some numbers up.

Yeah. I mean, turn your six into ten and your three into five. I mean, you know.

Well, I mean, you know, as far as like a supervisor, we have to be a captain or, you know, what would we make a minimum of what we're?

Well, you wouldn't really want to do that because you don't know everybody else's rank structure. So you wouldn't want to put a rank on it. You wouldn't want to put a rank on it because some of them may not have captains and just be, you know, you're the chief medic, whatever you want to call them, and you're the supervisor. So I would suggest not putting a rank on it because you've got departments that some of them may not do rank.

when I was hired there was no education minimum like an associate's a bachelor's no degree in the requirements because a lot of us old medics didn't have one nowadays that's becoming more common that they require some type of a degree again I'm not recommending I'm merely saying it would narrow your field and it would... Well, it could also exclude it, too. If you feel like that's important.

I mean, did you say you had a degree? I did not. So, I mean, you've been here since 13 years. 13 years. And so I'd hate to miss out on someone who could fill this job, this role for 13 years because of that. Right. I don't, you know...

That's what I'm saying. I'm just throwing something out.

Yeah, and I'm sure you've got, like Michael, you've got some that are highly qualified that don't have one.

Yeah. Associates degrees are great. I'm all for them. But two years, I don't know if college algebra, if you've used a lot of that in your art appreciation, the classes that we get in those first two years of college. All right. Yeah, true. But again, no offense to that. It's good to have a degree and broaden that, but I don't know if that is as important to narrow people based on whether or not they have an associate's minimum or... Some of the best medics, I bet, out there, you know, you could care less. I know in med school, you don't care if I graduated first in my class, which I did, or last, like Dr. Kill. Exactly. You know, I'm going to trust him.

You passed.

Yeah, you're scared that he passed, right? Got the same diploma.

You get the same, reads the same way.

But, yeah, I do agree there may be ways to limit it, and it may be that we have to have a work session to go through resumes and base it that way. I don't know.

Well, whenever we fired somebody at the fire department or put out to hire, and I don't know if it's still that way, we would get 50 applicants. And like you said, we'd have to get together and go through there and just pick out. you know, I don't know if this doesn't qualify, and just, you know, thin them down to 20, 25, or something like that. Something that's manageable.

And you'll probably get some that throw in anyway that don't even meet these requirements.

They're always good.

They won't even be close, but they'll apply anyway.

Yeah, they'll apply anyway.

I think a work session would be a great idea.

Yeah, I mean, you would have to, we'd have to have it, because if we get that many, you're going to have to have it to trim it down.

Well, I have a question.

You want it at a manageable level.

I know this is probably one of our requirements, the paramedic license, which I'm not saying I disagree that it should be a paramedic, but I think, and you probably can answer this, just what I briefed over that says an EMT can apply for director. As far as a state requirement, should we eliminate EMTs?

Well, I think we've got it eliminated with here. It says requirement.

Well, that's what I'm asking. Do we want to keep that? Do we want to eliminate EMTs?

Before you answer, because I think I know what y'all's answer would be. I'm not sure that current or future paramedics will want to work with someone who can't operate in the scope of practice that they can. You know, asking the director to say, hey, we want to be able to administer these meds, but the director can't administer them themselves.

Yeah, and I'm not saying I disagree with that. I just, I want to make sure that we, since that's what the state requires that we don't, we want to make sure we want to leave that our requirement.

There are a couple of, okay, I don't know. There are very few EMT directors still in line, but there have been some for years and years. And so I think they left it in there because, you know, there have been some 20-year EMTs that were directors. I can't think of one now. And I don't recommend that for the reasons that you gave and for the reasons that if I get a complaint and I'm trying to review the run sheet to see did they do what they said. Well, now I'm looking at it above my scope as well. I'm looking at they gave this med, they did this, the cardiac monitor said this, and I don't know what any of those mean. Now I've got to find a medic to tell me.

Well, I was just throwing that out there.

And if you're ever sitting in court, do they not bring that out?

Take advice from a nurse.

You sit there and fire this guy because he – Do you even know what that means? There's a lot of ways you can go, yeah. Let's just leave it at paramedic and be done with that. We good?

I just wanted to throw that out just in case, to be fair.

Okay, so we're done with this part. Does everything else look all right, look good?

I'll just start with the job description.

We're going six years.

And we're leaving out that equivalent combination in education, right, because it's ambiguous. We're leaving out that last, however many words, equivalent combination of education and experience.

Nobody knows what it means, so I'd say take it out. If it's kind of ambiguous.

That's usually kind of in every JavaScript. It's in everything. It's in every JavaScript.

Does that mean we have to have it?

kick it out I mean it is what it means it means you can typically there's a big number at the end of it it's hey we want eight years well that's a combination of four years of college and four years experience or two years of college and six years experience usually there's a number associated with it but

But I think what we're saying is we specifically...

But since that's at the end, there's really not a number associated with that.

And we specifically want six years of critical care response.

Yeah, so if we're settled on that, you can take that out. Yeah.

Right. So are we settled on that? We're good on that? Do we need to make a motion to do this? Make these corrections or do we just make these corrections?

No, we'll make... The way I'd see us doing it is making the corrections and then a motion to accept the...

Accept this.

Accept it as a whole.

Right. So anything else? With the modifications.

I think the whole thing seems a little wordy to me. Like, you know, performs on D on page one, performs life support duties during catastrophes. I mean, they're paramedic. Why would they not be able to do these? I mean, these are the things that they...

You would think, but somebody in a job description will be, that ain't my job description.

They'll challenge everything in that job description, I'll tell you that.

All right, well, leave it in.

It just seems to say, hey, it's not my job description.

Oh, I get it. It seems like that's common sense, but some of these new ones, they're going to say, that ain't my job description. I'm an administrator.

I mean, under the physical demands to frequently sit. Like, okay, all right. Frequently walk.

Once you make the changes, I assume it has to go to HR. It does. Then I don't know how many committees she's got to run it through to make it.

I know it'll go to personnel and comp. Official.

Yeah, it'll go to policies and procedures.

Personnel and comp, that's the old name of it. Policy and procedure.

This one, other job duties, that's in everything. That's in everything. Because if you make it look at number... three number three other job duties perform to the jury usually it says as a sign or as needed as a sign as a sign let's catch all that's the if I didn't think about it to put it in there yeah that's it right there so so that's in all of them got called out on that one day I said that wasn't in my job description they whooped that out and showed you didn't they whooped that out and said hey it performed to all other duties got you

So do you want, how are we settling this? Because in order to send it to HR, you just said you need a motion to approve it. Well, yeah.

After all the changes. If we make any more changes, yeah, we're going to make a motion to approve all the changes we made.

Are you pushing that off to next meeting?

You can do it by email. I'd be fine with that. I mean, we can. It's just that last paragraph.

I mean, if we're happy with everything except the last paragraph.

Yeah. I'll just say motion to approve as amended. Okay.

We've got a motion to approve. Second. Are we good with everything else, though? We've got a second. So are we good with everything else in here? Okay. Except that last paragraph. All right. We have a motion and a second. All in favor say aye. Aye. Okay. All right. Anything else we need to talk about? Well, I do have, maybe I should put it down there. We're not gonna meet next, it's gonna be a month before we meet again. We need to have a interim.

That's what I was gonna ask about.

So we need to talk about an interim director. So, any thoughts on that?

You're tall.

Don't be looking at me. Well, I've been looking at him. Sorry, buddy.

I was looking at him to see if he was going to look at me, but he wouldn't look at me.

You going to be the interim for the next 13 years? Would you be willing to be the interim?

As long as it's very short term. Well, we hope it's short term. What do you mean short? Six months? Eight months?

I mean, y'all need to get on the ball. You know.

Probably going to be a few months.

You know, 13 years and God's eyes is the blink of an eye.

You work for the county, you know nothing ever goes fast. I want to get y'all, get this pushed.

I nominate Paul Tibbs for interim chief. Second.

For 13 years.

All in favor say aye. As amended. Aye. Aye. Congratulations. Yeah, you were there for 13 years. We just need something to, you know, we just need to have an authority figure.

Well, that, yeah.

Yeah, we need to cover that. All right, anything else y'all want? We gotta get this approved first, right? Send it to Heather. Send it to Heather.

Yeah, I don't know if she can, you know, she has official posting methods that she has to do anytime there's an opening. I don't know if she can do that before y'all gets approved.

In the absence of her, is anybody got any suggestions? I'm sure she does as far as long to post it.

But that can't be posted to you officially retired, right? No. Okay, that's what I told you.

She can't post this until she's correct to it.

That's what I'm not sure. Can she post that before she goes through personnel committee and gets it all?

She'll know all those answers. She'll have all those. In the absence of her having like a standard, is there, does anybody know, is there a standard of how long they post? Yeah, I don't know.

And it may be another month before we can post that. Do y'all post medics?

Do y'all post medics? Is she posting for you?

They just run constantly.

About like a jail.

Because it's a constant opening, so it just keeps on generating.

Paul's going to be the interim chief. Does he need an interim assistant chief?

Never done that before. All right.

Do you think you do? Typically they don't.

It would be nice to have one because I'm going to be taking on extra duties in addition to what I'm doing now.

Is that someone you need to make some inquiries?

Why don't you do some thinking and come back and see if you actually need one. We can always do it in the next meeting.

If you need it, it doesn't matter where you're going to get it.

Pull the medic off the truck.

That's true. Because that's going to shorten our life.

That's where it's going to be the problem. Pull one off the truck.

Now we're one down. So it's one of those would be great, but how do we do it?

Does the assistant have to be a medic?

I think so. For the same review issues.

Could they not still work a truck if you got a supervisor? Or would you need them off the truck?

If we did, it would be better off the truck because they run so much, they would get very little accomplished. Just like the captains, we've been trying to get them off the truck so they can do some of this stuff.

So that's going to be the hard part.

We'll get back with you. Anything else as far as this and that? I was going to talk about it, and if you all want to talk about it, we can, but I didn't want to run this meeting. Hour and a half. We'll talk about the committee, but I don't think we're not even close to talking about that yet. No. That'll be next month, I guess.

I thought you said we ain't having a meeting next month.

No, he said it would be a month. It'll be a month. It'll be a month. It'll be next month. Well, I thought it was what he was fixing to say, too.

I thought he said we wouldn't have it.

I know. That's him really talking. I can't understand anything. So is everybody good? And just cover that, cover the committee's setup for next month and all that stuff. Okay. All right. All right. Any other business?

Motion to adjourn.

If there's none, that's what I want to hear. Motion to adjourn. Second? Second. All right. All in favor by standing up.