Planning and Zoning Commission - Regular Meeting

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All righty. Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the Claremont Planning and Zoning Meeting for Tuesday, November 4th. The meeting will be starting at 6:32 p.m. At this point, if I could ask everyone, if you can please kindly rise, face the flag, and we'll start off with our pledge of allegiance. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Thank you everybody. Uh, if I could ask uh, Miss Ray if you could take roll call please. Commissioner Tidona present. Commissioner May present. Commissioner Colby here. Vice Chair Neim present. And Commissioner Kramer here.

And um Brian Bane and Paula Hoisington will not be present. Okay. Okay. At this point, we would like to approve last month's minutes. Do I have a motion? I have one change. It's just a minor change on page one, the last paragraph, uh, where it says USA, BMX, and and I apologize that I didn't send that over to you all. Um, and DPZ.

What page would that be, Miss? It's just page one. It's just very minor. It's DPZ. Code design is the name of the firm. Right after USA BMX, but that's it. It's very minor. Okay. You see that? Is that okay, Miss Ray? You got it. Okay. With that correction, do I have a motion? I'll second the motion. Okay. All in favor say I. I.

I. Chair votes eye as well. Motion passes 5-0. Okay, moving on to reports. Uh last week we went to Mr. uh Commissioner John Sadona. So now we'll start off with uh Commissioner May.

Um I'll be brief. Um I just wanted to uh talk about uh that we the city exciting news that we actually have an economic development director uh by the name of Nathan Norris. I think he started like two weeks ago. So, I just wanted to uh let everybody know that we actually have one and uh and I guess he has a development lease on Mr. Robert Fox as well. So, um great exciting things are happening at the city and uh I believe they're going to be uh working with the team on the comprehensive plan and the uh form base code. So, exciting stuff and that's it for me. Well, very good. Uh Commissioner Kobe.

Yeah, I'd just like to second that excitement there. assembling a great team. So, um, congratulations to the city.

Thank you. Okay. Uh, Commission Kramer. Good evening, everyone, and thank you for being here tonight. Um, today's election day, and I'd like to take a brief moment to acknowledge that one of our colleagues of this commission is on the ballot for city council. Without making this in any way a campaign comment, I simply want to wish him and the other candidate the best of luck tonight and thank both of them for their willingness to serve our community. It's It's not easy and I'm really proud of both of them. So, whoever wins, I'm I'm just happy that we have people willing to volunteer and get out there and do this. I also want to recognize uh recent community highlight uh on October 28th, the city hosted Scaremont, a Halloween on the trail down at Waterfront Park. And if you've ever been there in the past years, it was kind of a easygoing neighborhood style event. Well, this year, um, it grew exponentially and with literally thousands of our residents and and people in the community showing up, it was an incredible turnout and true display of of wonderful spirit. But a special thank you goes out to our amazing emergency services teams, the police department, fire department, sheriff's, and the rescue services, and all of our first responders both from Claremont and Lake County. They came out in a nice job really to help people come together in the community and familyfriendly environment for everyone and their teamwork. I just want to acknowledge, you know, it just makes you so proud when you see those kind of things. But next year, uh, they were really going to have to step up their game because it was I I I walked down there from my home and I tell you when I was walking back there was just thousand I was going against the thousands of people coming in. So it it was a joyful moment but I I was I was like, "Wow, this is a crowd building." So anyway, I just wanted to thank the community. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Kramer. Uh, Commissioner Ddona.

So, thank you, Committee Chair. Thank you for everyone for coming out. Uh, if it's all right, I'd like to share some information with the council committee. Um, so what I'm basically sharing is a couple of emails that I have sent to uh the city council and Lake County uh council uh just in regards to some research I've done in terms of trip surveys versus traffic surveys uh gridlock and claremont uh and what the uh benefits of invoking or pursuing mobility fees uh could be for the city and for the Lake County. As we all remember, we had a storm last week uh that caused damage in Mount Dora and Eustace. It wasn't even a hurricane, but yet 18 inches of water fell within a couple hours. Roads were out, flooding, bridges were out, traffic had to be rerouted. Um somewhere along the line it's we're going to have to get into a focus where this one lane in one lane out mentality of traffic needs to be corrected. Uh traffic needs to be mitigated. We need to increase emergency response especially in terms of evacuations unless of course Claremont and Lake County want to become known as shelter in place areas. I think that Claremont and Lake County have an incredible opportunity. We have folks coming from all over the United States to live here. There is an incredible amount of wealth and lessons learned and best practices. It would be a shame to see those opportunities squandered by regurgitating the same failed mindsets. We do have new design codes. We have additional highways coming in and a comp plan. Those are all in the works. But what can be done now? I am a firm believer that mobility fees could be used to ensure infrastructure is built first by the developers. that we should

look at increasing impact fees to ensure that we have the correct amount of first responders and third-party traffic studies instead of trip estimates to ensure that we have the adequate roads we need to travel on andor evacuate on. So many other towns and cities in Claremont are doing it. And in closing of my report, I just want to say I think the folks that we choose to be in charge should be beholden to the people of Claremont and not to other parties that may be there to sway their decision. Thank you, sir.

Thank you, Commissioner Dona. Very good. And uh thank you again for keeping updated on us on this important topic. Traffic is very important, especially when it comes to the no. seems like they forget about Claremont. And I could say that uh ladies and gentlemen, it's up to my report. My report's very simple. Even though I'm not wearing a sticker, I hope each and every one of you went out and did your god-given right as an American to go out and vote for your candidate. Two candidates are Todd Howard and Commissioner Bane, who is the chairperson, that's Brian Bane. Uh good luck to both of them. Uh, in closing in my report, uh, I don't know if you've been following the BCC, which is the Lake County Commissioner's report. Uh, they pretty much, uh, took a vote and they're going to get a small, I believe it's $12 million, Kurt, help me if I'm wrong, uh, loan out to start the pro Hartwood Marsh expansion, which is one of the main veins into Claremont. They're going to be starting that project late May. The latest uh earliest would be March. And that concludes my report. And we're going to simply just move on to new business staff. Hi, good evening planning and zoning commissioners and guests. My name is Justine Day with development services here to present agenda item 1 and two for the Ivy Ridge largescale comprehensive plan amendment and resoning. The city as the applicant is requesting

a large-scale comprehensive plan amendment and reszoning of the subject property as a follow-up to the staff initiated annexation request. The property is located southeast of Lake Louisa Road and Hammock Ridge Road intersection and is approximately 57 acres. So, if we take a peek at the image on the screen, outlined in yellow is the subject property. Again, it is um southeast of the Lake Louisa Road shown on the west and um the Hammock uh Ridge Road intersection. Hammock Ridge Road is just north of it. The property was approved under PUD ordinance number 2020-03 in Lake County for up to 155 single family dwelling units. The property is currently moving forward and construction activity is starting. The property was annexed prior to building permit issuance to capture $1.8 million worth of impact fees to the city of Claremont. The city council at the June 10th meeting approved the annexation of the subject property with the understanding that a large-scale comprehensive plan amendment and reszoning would be needed to designate the property with the applicable future land use and zoning designations. staff is proceeding to complete that process at this time. The current zoning of the property within Lake County is planned unit development with the urban low density future land use category. The compatible zoning with the city would be planned unit development with a future land use designation of low density residential. So again, if we take a peek at this screen, the property is outlined in red. So this right here,

Lake Louise is to the west. Hammock Ridge Road to the north. Future land use in Lake County is that urban low density. And we are just looking to turn that into the city of Claremont's low density residential. And then with the reszoning, the image on the top of the page shows the Lake County zoning. Again, subject property is um in black this time um with that PUB zoning. And then we are going to be turning it over to the city's uh planned unit developed zoning. Um the uh budding future land use adjacent to the east within the city is low density residential which is the established Foxchase subdivision which is going to be this sliver right here. The change in the future land use to the city's low density residential does not propose a conflict between the existing uses and land uses within the area. The proposed future land use is consistent with the city's comprehensive plan due to the use being consistent with the remainder of the plan and its goals, objectives, and policies. The PUD zoning does not propose a conflict to the existing uses and land uses in the area. The proposed uh use is compatible with the adjoining properties as required by the comprehensive plan. The transfer of Lake County's PUD ordinance 2020-03 into the CU city's PUD ordinance is a like forlike with small adjustments made due to code references. Staff recommends approval of the largescale comprehensive plan amendment ordin ordinance number 2025-039

and reszoning ordinance uh 2025-040.

Thank you. Very good. Good job. Okay. At this time, uh I'd like to ask staff, is the applicant here or No, we are the applicant. You are the applicant. That's what I assumed. Just want to make sure because I saw a large crowd in the audience if they want to speak up on this. Okay, at this time we'd like to open this up to the public. Once again, please if you'd like to speak on this issue, please come up to the microphone, state your name and your address. Okay. Well, I have a gentleman coming up.

Microphone over there. State your name and address up. My name is Paul. I'm at 200 Center Lane. Um, I don't think we should approve this development because of Hancock Road has so many different accidents on it. Anyway, so does Hardwood Marsh at both ends of it. They've developed the other end of Hancock. They're having um problems down there with just traffic accidents. I think that we should take time to do infrastructure. I uh down and down on um Lake Shore Drive there is going on to uh 561. It's dead man's curve. We've known it for the longest time. There's accidents happening there all the time. People are getting hurt. Homes are getting wrecked from it. And I've heard that there's nothing being done about it because we're waiting on development to happen there first. And I don't think that's appropriate. I think it goes it goes against safety measures and um everything because we should be thinking about the public first like this gentleman right here said and I totally agree with you. We should worry about the public first and there's so many people that are against the development. They don't have time to come out and do these things and I'm I'm here to stand up for myself and stand up for them too. So I I think we shouldn't shouldn't approve that.

Okay. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Very well said.

Okay. Is there anybody in the audience that would like to speak on this project? Going once, twice. At this point, I'm going to be closing the public comment. We're going to bring the questions back to our council. Starting off with Commissioner Mate. So, on this particular project, this is um actually in my backyard. Um I live off of that Hammock Ridge uh road. Um and I do understand the gentleman's point in regards to uh a lot of traffic. Um we've had a lot of um a lot of uh traffic accidents as well. It's very dark. Um so, My problem with this is that we always get a project after the fact um in regards to annexation. So for me, it's just hard for me to even get to a yes to any of these land, you know, large scale comp plan amendments and um reszones that come from the county. It just seems that everything is the carts before the horse kind of thing. It's, you know, for me, I've I've seen this site um many times over before the total grading of this property. Um you know, there's the trees are the trees are gone. Uh animals are gone. Um, I mean based on, you know, this photo here, I mean, it's just it's just awful. I mean, I see the trees and I just, you know, I there's not enough information

for me here to be able to have a proper answer uh for the city. Um, so I think you guys were saying that it's a like for like and I just don't see that and I think that's was worded in your reszone. I mean, if I look at the city comp plan and I say and it says goal one, ensure that the character, magnitude, and location of all land uses provide a system for orderly growth and development that achieves a balanced natural, physical, and economic environment enhances the quality of life for all residents. So to add another 155 single family dwelling units to a road that already has I mean I have 867 homes in my in my community. I don't know how many in Fox Chase, but we're adding more cars and more cars to this road. Um, so for me to say that this is like to like from one comprehensive plan to the other, um, you know, I need the information here for me to do a thorough look at everything. I need to see a site plan, a site plan. I need to look at a a tree survey. I need to look at a habitat. I mean, just by looking at this and looking at this packet, I just there's just not enough information for me to to be able to have an answer. Um, I mean, does this project promote smart growth principles? I don't think so. That does this site emphasize beauty, aesthetics, human comfort, creating a sense of place. I mean, it's already completely all the trees are gone. I mean, I am the tree lovers of this group and I'm okay with that. I'm getting tired of seeing developments over developments over developments,

especially coming from the county. And I hope the county is listening. We got to be able to speak and talk to each other because I'm listening to the citizens and I'm glad this gentleman came up. I am tired of seeing these developments coming to us and we're just okay to annex them because they're giving us $1.8 million worth of impact fees. We need to look at the whole picture holistically. So for me without the information I cannot go forward with this one. Thank you.

Very good. Thank you, Commissioner May. Very well said. Uh Commissioner Kobe. Sure. I think that the the safety is is certainly um an issue and I was wondering if staff could talk a little bit about how you know the development of the the lighting turning lanes and and and how that's going to be done in in a comprehensive way that will ensure this is a safe addition to to the city.

So that's something that was done um prior to us annexing it with Lake County. Um I don't have those documents with me. We could potentially ask Lake County to look at those. Um, other than that, I could defer to Kurt if he would like to speak a little bit more on it if he knows anything more. Good evening. Kurt Henchel, planning development services director. Um, what I can show you is the latest Wait, excuse me. I'm sorry. I don't believe that's your title.

We're in the middle of changing. We are. We're Thank you. Planning Development Services Director. We are changing our offices down here on the first floor. We're we're morphing into growth management now. And I just haven't officially put it. I guess I have management director. Growth management director. Yes. Sorry. Just checking. Sorry. So, this is appropriate for what we're talking a little bit. Yes. Yeah. They're reorganizing. It's just a little bit of a reorganization. So, you're going to hear that from time to time. We're going to go from planning development to grant management. Uh I I'll talk to you after me. Great.

So what this is the latest site plan that was again approved in Lake County. To answer your question, Mr. Colby, they are putting some turn lanes into the development. This is this is Hammock Ridge up here and of course they're going to have some This is like Lisa coming off down here. They do have some turn lanes here. So they do have the two access points. Um, I'm not sure if that answers it, but I'm just So, is it being developed or they there's an actual solid plan there? There's going to be turn lane. This is the plan right here. So, that there there will definitely be turn lanes and lighting. Why didn't we see uh as in traffic light? No,

no, no, no. Light lighting to illuminate the area. I'm sorry. I don't have that illumin um the lighting plan with me, but yeah, they will have some lighting around the specific interior as well. I just don't have the exterior plan set. Okay. Is there anything else um safety wise that that you know may have not been in our packet?

Safety wise? Well, I mean, you know, we're talking turn, you know, there there there there's yeah, things that um you know, we're I think, you know, we're certainly concerned with the with the the safety and and and what this is going to do to traffic and I I think these things, you know, impacted. So, I just don't know if there's anything else we don't know. I don't have the original traffic set. Again, this was approved, as you know, in Lake County. We did a utility agreement with them um some time ago and then we did the annexation in June. Um I don't have the details of the traffic study though. Okay.

All right. The traffic study would point out things like turn lanes that are required like what's on this on the site plan here. That's what the traffic study would have a final result. You need a turn lane here there. That's what they have on here. I still don't have the actual study with me. Okay. All right. So if if we and just help me understand process if if we were you know to to approve these and they come in the the um developer would need to come forward with with with concrete. I mean is no this is the plan. So this this is

they're out there going under way right now as we speak regardless. So there there's no no further approvals needed but this this gives all okay yes just wanted to understand that we if we delay it now they will start building homes and we will not capture those impact fees so there's no microphone

can I jump in so is so there's no way to see if this these conditions I'm talking. Is there a way to change the conditions from the county to the city? We're taking over the city. We're taking over this project. It's going from the county to the city. So, we don't know if they're compatible to our comprehensive plan. We don't know if they're compatible to our city codes. It isn't isn't the if the city supersedes the county.

I I don't know. Well, f first, let me tell you something before I forget. Yeah. which you made me think of when you were first talking, which is you you have two things to consider tonight, right? It's not just the zoning, which is I think what you were focused on, Commissioner. It's also the comp plan amendment, the future land use. So, it could be that you recommend, for example, the future land use change, which might be simpler, um, while not recommending the zoning change. I I just want to point that out. Um, and it is from a statutory perspective very important to do the comp plan amendment first. Anyways, um but back to your your your question here, it is true that once the property is annexed and once and only once the comp plan amendment is passed, then the city can regulate with its land development code. Um until the comp plan amendment is passed, we will not be able to regulate um the property. Now, I think your question was, doesn't the city code supersede? does uh you are being told I believe you are being told that it's consistent with the comp plan and so if if there's evidence that contradicts that and I I actually I mean I was I was listening to your your citation of the comp plan these are things that people can disagree about honestly is this consistent is not consistent it's not I'll give you an example of something where I think it's pretty obvious I mean if I dealt with this in Citrus County recently um it was up to me to decide and make a recommendation to the board of county commissioners whether a sand mine could ever be um whether it was consistent with the comp plan. And when they testify that it could never be restored to its original condition, well, it says in the comp plan, it has to be able to restore to its original condition. That's easy and capable of argument here. You know, does it improve I forget the exact words, but does it improve the

that's for you to decide. It may be that you decide it doesn't. It may be that some people think it does. So, I'm not trying to make this difficult, but that is going to be a discretionary thing for you to decide based on the evidence, right? But that's the problem. We don't have the evidence. Uh it's it's saying, you know, there's a traffic study. There's uh that was completed. There's uh you know, turn the turn lanes that you were asking about. I mean, there's all this stuff that was completed, but we don't have it. I I think you have the right as a commissioner to make that determination. Thank you. So th this project is is moving forward. Oh yeah. Yes, it is. So it's it's moving forward in the and the question is whether it's going to move forward

in the city in the city or it's going to move forward in the county. Right. That's right. Okay. That's all the questions I have for now, Mr. Chairman. No. Are we all right there? Commissioner May. I see a lot of hand movement. No, I just said my apologies for jumping in front of them. Okay, she's great. Okay, we're going to move on to Commissioner Kramer. I believe all my concerns have been answered. You guys asked some really good questions ahead of it and Kurt, thank you for clarifying. So, I just want to I'm going to reiterate and be clear that I'm clear. Okay.

Whether we vote yes or no on this, this development will go forward. But if we vote yes, we keep the $1.8 8 million coming of revenue flow to us and the folks will also be part of the city which means they will have a vote for the people sitting on city council who make these decisions and they'll be um I'm they get the protection of the city as opposed to Lake County and as my opinion is you're much better off in the city than you are in Lake County right now because Lake County doesn't seem to care a lot about Lake County except if you live way north of Claremont. Um, but Claremont cares about Claremont and that's evident. So, I'm I'm going to be in favor of this. I'm I'm confident because I think you're better off in the city. I I absolutely I I am as frustrated as every other commissioner on here that we have to basically rubber stamp with what the Lake County has approved. But in this instance, ask the folks down at Wellness Way because I know that's coming up what it feels like. I mean, they finally have a voice. They weren't happy, but they have a voice now, and it's a loud voice, and we thank the Wellness Way folks for coming all the time to be here to talk about the future development, but I think you're better off in the city. So, I'm I'm leaning for a yes vote for this. Thank you for the hard work you guys did from the city.

Thank you, Commissioner Kramer. Uh, Commissioner Teddona. So, to say that I'm kind of dismayed over this nonsense is an understatement. part of my questioning was going to be um how is this Could you put that back up on the screen the site plan?

So I guess yeah I guess part of my question was is that and you don't you don't have you don't even have to answer it because it's it's immaterial but I got to get this out of my system. And also full disclosure, I live in Fox Chase and the only thing that we reaped the benefit of this property going up were the rats that got through the sewer system into Fox Chase that we all had to get exterminators for to kill all the rats. So part of my question is if this met the county code but it doesn't meet our code doesn't our code supersede that and really knowing that our code was written in 2009. I understand that there is a new comp plan going that may affect this, but by the time that comp plan is up and running, this is already built and nobody is going to change anything in there. Okay. So again, not too sure if our code is better than their code. In my opinion, we should have a say that says, you know, you should move this here, you should move that there. We talk about low density as a description. and and and I I'm the newest guy on the council, so I know I have to a lot to learn, but I live in Fox Chase. So, if Fox Chase is already low density, I got 22 feet in between my house and my sister's house and my house and my neighbor's house, I don't get the impression that there's 22 feet in between all of these homes. And at 155 homes to that gentleman's point, that's 325 to 400 more cars coming out of this

development. And I can tell you coming out of Fox Chase in the middle of the night or going to work or coming home, it's like a NASCAR raceway. I call it panic ridge road.

Okay? So, if you're not careful coming out of Fox Chase to make your right hand turn, you are going to get t-boned. Okay? There's not enough lights, even even if you say we can't put a traffic light there, there's not enough visual light for me to see a car coming out. That's number one. Number two, Lake Louisa, and here's the other thing, and I'm sorry, I'm I'm gonna go, not that I'm going long, none of this takes into account human nature of how people are going to get from one place to another. Once people know that they can come out onto Lake Louisa and take Lake Louisa all the way down to 27, here we go again. No matter how many cutouts are in that road, it's one lane in and one lane out with up to 400 cars going out onto Lake Louisa or somebody's going to come out onto Lake Louisa to come out to Hammock Ridge Road, Panic Ridge Road to come go blow past Fox Chase and then blow past um the other HOA. So I realize it's 1.8 million and I realize impact fees. In my opinion, we should have had an opportunity to say, you know what, thanks for the 1.8 million. This would have been a prime example to test the waters on mobility fees so that Lake Louisa could be built up so that Panic Ridge Road could be built up or maybe some extra lights put on just to protect the people. And that's not even including to that gentleman's point once we go down Lakeshore Drive because human nature is the B- word. And once they figure out that I can go down Lake Louisa to take all those turns to get down to 50, that's exactly what they're going to do. So all we're doing is routing 400 cars into an area that can't afford to have

400 cars. And I just I just and I do hope Lake County is listening. I just think it's terrible that we have to inherit this absolute ridiculousness without having a say that instead of 155 homes, it should be 110 homes and you need to put more frigin trees in there. Thank you. Why thank you, Mr. Dona. It's always exciting to hear your opinion and your questions. Uh, I have a question. Uh, pretty much for staff. The road, Hammock Ridge Road. Is that a county or a city road? It's a county road.

That's a county road. Thank you. And I'm assuming uh Lake Louisa is a city road. No, that's a county road, too. That's a county road. Interesting. Very interesting. Okay. Uh, the turning lanes, uh, I guess we have nothing to do with that because it's a county road. Like I've been fighting with Hartwood Marsh about that. Right. They went through the process and got those approved. Okay. Well, that's what they say. What they saying they do are two different things. I don't like this project, but there's a butt. And I'm sorry. I know you guys going to be mad at me for this one. All right. This is getting built either way.

Okay. Either way, whatever our decision is, whatever the city council's decision is, this is going to be built. It's already started. Okay. I'm sorry. We're a day late, dollar short. We should have been at Lake County. Somebody should have brought it to my attention and I would have went down there and I would have advocated against this project. Okay, but I wasn't informed. Okay, this is too late. There's nothing we could do about it. It's like shooting a gun and the bullets out already. Okay, now the only thing I could say is thank goodness they're single family homes because they could have changed. They could county does what they want. Look at the next thing on our project. All right. Look at look at the community next to my community. Okay. Their lot lines are 40 foot lot lines here. They're meeting they're meeting our comprehensive code. I mean unfortunately I mean to help the city out. I have to look at the impact fees. I have to do what's right for the city. All right. So I know you probably going to hate me for this but look I agree with you. They're county roads. Okay. But if we can control it and we can annex it, we could probably try to control a few things in there. Okay. Unfortunately, my hands are tied on this one. All right. Safety factor. Yeah, I could vote against it for safety factor, but I could tell you right now, it doesn't matter what my vote is. Doesn't matter what all five of our votes are. They already started breaking ground. So, I'm sorry. I I feel your pain. Trust me. Eight years I've been fighting for Hartwood Marsh. I wish I knew about this. I really did. I'm sorry, sir. You cannot speak. I wish I would like have the authority to do that, but I can't. Am I correct by that, counselor?

It's your discretion, but that's okay. All right. Well, since he's the only person here representing, please keep it short. Thank you, council. I appreciate that. Last last one, I was told I couldn't do it. So,

thank you, sir. I appreciate that. Um, shows good faith for the the community. Um, it's very interesting to find to hear attending my first meeting that the man that's building or people that set it up don't even have all the the stuff in proper place to show that we can uh properly maintain the traffic, which I don't think that the city of Claremont needs the traffic. We're we're we're getting to the point where it's chaos in the morning for our school children. Okay. Get People going to school in the morning, it's hectic. Okay. People getting to work in the morning, it's hectic. It puts stress on the people in the community. Furthermore, they broke ground. We didn't even No one knew about it apparently that it was going in this way. Uh, I could ask questions about if that land was on a green belt, some type of tax write off for that, which shouldn't be for developers, but um and and what I wanted to say was that Lake Louisa Road, you don't want to expand that. People love that route. It's scenic. It's a scenic route. Why would we do anything to it? Um, furthermore, with the wildlife that that happens, like this gentleman said again, with the rats coming out of of all the wildlife, you see wildlife dead everywhere. There's people getting in accidents because of wildlife. I seen two coyotes the other day on the side of the road. I had to help the uh the the uh woman on the side of the road that hit the coyote. Luckily, it wasn't that bad and it was on the side of her vehicle where she was able to maneuver and get out of the way some way. Because if a head if you hit on a coyote head on, it might come through your windshield.

I understand. Could you wrap it up, sir? Yes, sir. Thank you. I'm sorry. I'm not disrespecting anyone. It's just I just I would like to say to you, thank you because I'm glad I'm not the only person standing up for roads and I do appreciate it, but you got to understand our point of view, sir. Okay? I mean, it's already built. It's already done. And now my hands are tied. I'm I'm more upset, sir, if I could speak. I'm more upset I wasn't aware of this. If I was aware of this, I would have been at the BCC. I would have been advocating for you people. All right. So, thank you.

Okay. Saying that, I mean, you know, it's like I said, it's the turning lanes. We're speaking to deaf ears when it comes to the county. Okay? It's no joke. Just watch. If you cannot attend and go to Taris, they actually have a beautiful IT department where you could call in and you could state your opinion on things. All right. Uh, they start at nine o'clock every time. It's the second Tuesday and it's the last second to last Tuesday, I believe. It's right, Kurt, if I'm not mistaken. Help me out here. Yeah, the same. The same. Yes.

I mean, I drive there, so you know, that's different cuz I want to look in their eyes when they're talking to me. All right. Uh, unfortunately, the turn lanes. Look, we got turn lanes by Chick-fil-A. Look how that's working out for us. Okay. So, I'm totally don't like the project, but I got to look out for the city's well-being. And that's I hate to tell you and I don't like like saying this, money talks. All right. If we could get some money out of this cuz it's either way it's going in. I have to I have to agree with my fellow commissioner over here. So, at this time, uh, if there's any other questions, any other discussion,

if I may, I just I just want to clarify because you've done a good job. I am 100% in line with the rest of this commission. This is this is a raw deal that's being handed to everybody. But I want to confirm, Kurt, if we vote no, it's still going through. Yes. If without capturing, if we vote yes, we have no control over the roads because they're county roads. Both roads adin are county. They're not city. So regardless of whether we vote yes or no, the roads are not under our control. That's correct.

Okay. So, we have no control over the roads whether it goes through or not. we have no control over this development going through or not because it's going through. The only difference is we leave $1.8 million on the table and they're not and and the folks in that community won't have the right to vote. They can vote in Lake County for for you know their their their commissioners, but they won't get the right to vote. You're better off. This is again this is not good politics for Claremont. But in the end of the day, I depend on that staff who's analyzed it. And I know that you're better off in the city than you are in the county. We can't change what's happening. So, let's get on. Let let let's get you under the fold so we can regulate because right now we have no say. And we will have say they try to make any changes in the future, we have a say. So, I just want sure we're clear. We don't vote yes, we lose 1.8 million and nothing changes. So, thank you.

That's 18 point 1.8 million in impact fees. Yep. Okay. Just want to I'm going to make a motion to approve ordinance. I have a further discussion. I have other further discussions. Go ahead. Okay. We'll start off uh ladies first. Just put your microphones on, please. Like Mr. Okay. May I ask a question? Yes, you can. You put this on the screen and tell me what those cutouts are. I told him not to do this. What are those? Yeah, just a point. Uh, you can always make a motion. Um, I have a motion in a second. Yeah. Yeah, that's fine. Yeah.

I'm curious what what is that? What is that cutout? They appear to be parallel parking space. It's not a parking spot. I can't fit I couldn't fit my car in there. Then I don't know. I haven't seen this picture before, so I don't know. What

What What is this a picture of? That's a picture when you when you drive into this development. As soon as you drive in, and remember, you're also at a pitch because all that water is going to go somewhere else. And you make your first right, it's on the map. It's microscopic, but it's on the map. So when you come into the development, as soon as you make the first right, there's a series of those cutouts by that C3.3. And then there's a series of cutouts by where the number C3.2 is.

Did Did you take this photo? Yes, I did. Oh, okay. Yeah, for the purposes of discussion, this is fine. Okay. That's all I'm asking was the last attorney. Well, it's not it's not evidence and it cannot be considered. Um, but it is fine for discussion purposes. Okay. So, it's not evidence even though it's there. It's not evidence because you're not a staff or an applicant or someone who's putting evidence into the record. But for discussion purposes, so for discussion purposes, what is that? I mean, they appear to be parallel parking spaces.

All right. I can't put my car in there. So unless a vehicle is going to go in there that's going to brooch over the waterway the that trough and into the street that doesn't make sense. So unless it's maybe motorcycle parking or cart parking but that raises an issue like if these houses were built the right way I'd have to put my motorcycle in my garage or my cart. So, I guess part of my concern, which is just conjecture, I'll admit it, is if this is for some sort of golf cart to get around, human nature scares me that somebody's going to take that onto the sidewalk all the way down to the new store that's down the end of Panic Ridge Road. And now we've got traffic on the sidewalk. So, I don't know what that is. I've never I don't know. You guys have gals have been here a lot longer than I have. They don't have anything like that in Brooklyn. I could tell you that much.

There's no golf carts in Brooklyn. But I I don't I mean, I'm just I'm curious what what what is the purpose of that? And and again, it goes back to the same thing that my colleague said. We don't have all the information. We don't know what the intentions are. And yet we're stuck with this whether we say yes or no. And if somebody comes up with 10 15 carts and now they're driving on sidewalks with carts or even within that area, we have no idea what any of this stuff means. So it's Thank you. I I I appreciate the ability to ask your question. Thank you, Mr. I mean Commissioner Dedona. Commissioner May, you said you had a few

Yes. So I wanted to confirm again with Mr. or Mr. Wag. I know that Mr. Kramer had uh mentioned about the comprehensive plan. I'm not worried about the roads. I know the roads are county. I know that. So again, this is going to be developed anyways. However, I can still say no on the reason. So if I say yes to the comprehensive plan, we can still make changes. Is that what you're saying? To the site plan because Oh, to the site plan to to to anything that's if it's already approved. I mean, this is vested and moving. My understanding is that they've already got shovels in the ground. So, no, no, they have streets in. Everything's in and the trees are gone. No, we cannot make changes.

That's vested. It's it's it's moving. Um, what you can do is regulate it going forward, but not backwards. What does that mean? It means you can't undo something that's already been approved, but you can regulate that thing in going forward. Does that make sense? No, it doesn't. If they came in for variance requests, if they came in for any modification, it'd be through the city at that point. So, and through our supposed new comp plan that's about a year and a half out.

No. No. I mean, changing the comp plan a year from now won't again work backwards to undo anything and it won't it can't compel someone to like tear something down. Does that makes It's grandfathered. It's okay. So this is grant. We're going to annex this in and we have absolutely although we get 1.8 million, we have absolutely no control over this until the new comp plan comes in going forward. No on anything. So wait number let number one we have annexed it in. That's ship set sail.

Set sail. So, it's now in the city and and that's why it's before you to now apply a comp plan, a future land use designation as well as the zoning to lock those in. From what I'm hearing, there's probably not a lot of debate about the future land use. This is a debate about the zoning and and to what degree the city will have discretion on altering aspects of the plan or sub uh subjecting it to more stringent regulations than it was subject to in the county. Now we when we annex something we take it as it is. I I'll give you an example. I mean if if we annexed a u an Arby's I mean that's just the first thing in my mind. God knows why. Um, but if if we annexed an Arby's and we have sign regulations that say no metal signs and all they've got is metal signs for so, you know, for lack of a better word. We take it as it is. I think we annex property that has a um a billboard on it. Um, done a couple.

It was the D It's where the Dutch Brothers Coffee is. Um, but we ban those. We ban them, but we annexed it in. We can't compel it to just come down. We can compel that it comes down later on 20 years from now when the lease is up, but not today. So then I guess we should consider ourselves. It was my it's it's my discussion. You just you jumped in. I'm not done. Thank you. Um thank you. So in regards to the comp plan, yes, no. My issue is that looking at what's coming up now, item three and and item four, they have conditions in here that I'm actually satisfied with. Okay.

Under the landscape requirement, they're actually saying perimeter shall consist of canopy under story. These guys actually put in conditions on what they're planning to do, which is good. I'm happy with that. But this one doesn't. So, can I add those same conditions? You you have the discretion as a commissioner to do as you deem fit, but it has to be on the reszone side, not on the comp complaint. Definitely has to be on the reson. Perfect. Okay. That in in terms of the recommendation and as you know, city council may or may not follow your recommendations, but at this stage you have that discretion.

Perfect. So, um, for the ch, uh, for the vice chair, are we doing both items together or so? I just want to make sure I'm right. We're going to be taking a roll call on separate each item separately. Thank you.

Very good, counselor. Uh, you lit up some darkness on that. Uh, Commissioner Toadona, any other further condition? I was just going to say, I guess we could should should consider ourselves lucky that Lake County doesn't want to build a nuclear reactor in Claremont and decide to give us some uh, you know, impact fees. Thank you. Yes, Commissioner Don, that is your opinion. Okay. Uh, chairman, I'm going to make a motion that we approve ordinance number 2025-039. Okay. Motion's on the floor for I will second that.

Second by Commissioner Kobe. You okay? Wait. Okay. We're going to have to take a roll call. We're going to go from left to right. We're going to start off with Commissioner Teddona. Yay. That's a yay. Yay. Commissioner May on item one. Yay. I'm sorry. Yes. Sorry, that's an approved. Okay. Commissioner Kobe. Yes. Okay. Commissioner.

Yay. And the chair votes yay as well. I believe that is 5 and0 approved. And that's for ordinance number 2025-03 nine. Okay. Now I need going to need a motion for ordinance number 25 I mean 2025-040.

I will make a motion. However, I would like to add the conditions. More than welcome. Um so in regards to the item two would like to have the landscaping requirements uh added that uh that because we don't have a landscape plan so I don't know what's required. So if we can have a requirement on whatever they tore down oh re re okay either replant it or pay into the tree fund. So I guess what is that section 120?

It's not necessarily just replanting or tree fund. What they do and the county does the same thing. They assess what's there. They're allowed to remove X amount and then they assess what goes back on the parcels. So there's a lot that goes there. Then if there's an amount left over, then they pay into the tree fund. Okay. So I'm trying to figure out a language in regards to to that. So, um, could I ask a question before while you're thinking? I mean, the tree fund does it go to the county tree fund. It goes to the city. City because in this case, yeah, they've already paid. They've already done their right. So, so the county got the money, not the city. That's what I'm trying to explain to you.

No, I understand that. But at least if we look at, like I said, the others did a buffer with understory. You know what? They have a Lake County has a very similar perimeter buffer. Very similar. Right. So why is that not in here? The the conditions of having it understory or we took whatever was approved they were developing under the county's code. So that wasn't didn't need to be a condition. They're going to build to the county's perimeter. Right. But now it's city. So I'm adding the condition. I just about guarantee you wouldn't notice a difference between them, but we can certainly put in there that they would

they would build to the city's landscape code. That's something the council would have to accept as part of a change in their development plan. So, the condition would be to build to city code period. Is that too Is that Is that too I'm asking the attorney. Is that too broad or is it do I have to be specific? I don't want to get in the way of your discretion. I mean, you you I I know what you're asking me and I'm not trying to be facitious, but you you I I have no legal objection to you putting conditions in your motion. So, repeat that conditions so so I can see if I'm okay with that.

It should have it should be built out under the uh city's landscape code. Okay. I would like that uh condition and so I will make a motion on ordinance number 2025-040 Ivy Ridge reszoning um with the condition that we add language that says that they will build to the landscape code to the city of Claremont's landscape code is included as a condition. Okay. Uh so that's a first motion. Do I have a second?

I will second that. Second by Commissioner Kobe. Roll call vote. Starting off with Commissioner Teddona. Yes. I agree with those conditions. That's a yay. Yes. Yay. Commissioner May. Yay. Commissioner Kobe. Yay. Commissioner Kramer. Yay.

And the chair votes yay as well. That's five and0 for approval. Okay, once again, I just want to try to let everybody know that the Lake County Commissioner is Commissioner Sean Parks of that area. So, keep do in mind that he does have his email online and and once again, he is very flexible of talking with him. All right? It's going to be our mess now, but at least we have a little control on it. That's why we're looking out for the city. Not much control, but some control. Okay. Thank you, commissioners. You brought up a lot of valid points. Moving on to the next agenda item. Staff, you have the floor. Thank you. Good evening, planning and zoning commissioners and guests. Nick Gonzalez, Development Services, and this is agenda item three and four. And I apologize because this can sound very familiar to what you just heard. Uh but uh this is McKinnon Grove's large-scale comprehensive plan and amendment and reszoning. So the city as the applicant is requesting a large-scale comprehensive plan and amendment and resoning of the subject property as a follow-up to a staff initiated annexation request. The property is located south of Hartwood Marsh Road and west of the Lake Orange County line and is approximately 357 acres. And if you uh look at this map, the subject property is in black. Uh, as I mentioned, this is the Orange County Lake County line and this is the Harwood Marsh Road that is along here. The property was approved under PUB ordinance number 2021-36 in Lake County for up to 660 single family dwelling units along with with 520,249

square ft of non-residential use. The property is currently moving forward and construction activity is starting. The property was annexed prior to the building permit issuance to capture $8.3 million worth of impact fees to the city of Claremont on the residential portion of the development. No commercial con construction uh has started at the moment. The city council at the June 10th meeting approved the annexation of the subject property with the understanding that a large-scale comprehensive plan amendment and resoning would be needed to designate the property with the applicable future land use and zoning designations. Staff is proceeding to complete the process at this time. The current zoning of the property within Lake County is plan unit development with the wellness way north future land use category. The compatible zoning within the city would be would be a PUD as well with the current entitlements captured within the PUD. The zoning designation abides by the wellness way community guidelines regarding implementation. And here we can see is the county's future land use of Wellness Way North. And this will be the city's future land use. And then the Lake County zoning was PUD and the city zoning would be plan unit development. The preliminary plat and final plat for a few phases has already been approved by Lake County. The future land use within the city would be identical to the counties to the county's a future land use designation of Wellness Way North. The future land use designation aligns with the master plan for the Wellness Way area and is consistent with the future the city's future land use map and figure 2.15 Wellness Way North

District location. The change in future land use to the city's wellness way north does not propose a conflict between the si existing uses and land uses within the area. The proposed future land use is consistent with the city's comprehensive plan and the and its goals, objectives, and policies. The PUD zoning does not propose a conflict to the existing uses and land uses in the area. The transfer of Lake Countyy's PUD ordinance 2021-36 into the city's PUD ordinance is a like forlike with sim with small adjustments made due to the code references county city. Staff re staff recommends approval of the large scale comprehensive plan amendment ordinance 2025-041 and resoning ordinance 2025-042. And that concludes Seth's presentation. Okay. Once again, this was presented for ordinance both ordinance 2025-041 and 2025-042. Correct?

Yes, sir. Thank you. Okay. At this point, I'm seeing there people in the audience. I would like to open it up to the public. Please, when you come to the microphone, state your name and address.

Hello, my name is Paul. I live at 800 Center Lane. Um, is this project getting by the same way the last project got by with the annexation and approval of everything before it's on the outskirts of Claremont affects Claremont. If you've ever seen the school and the church that's on Hardwood Marsh in Hancock, there's accidents there all the time. It's congested. It's overly congested. They have um I believe they have it where the school has to park on the grass area to collect their kids to get to even let traffic go. I remember waiting there one time for nearly an hour and a half um on Hardwood Marsh just to commute half a mile I would say. Um there's been no infrastructure right there. Um there's constantly crashes on uh I mean we should take a poll. There's crashes on uh Hancock all the time. Um there is uh I say no. I think we should if I mean if if if we're if we're seeing a pattern here where uh Lake County is um annexing and giving approval for these projects, not considering the city, I think we should do some preventative maintenance on this and start grabbing up all the land and annexing it ourselves before they uh go ahead and um grab up any more of that land where they're just going ahead and do the do do the people even live around here? Do they see what's going on? I don't think so. Um, it just seems egregious. It seems um unfit. It seems very very to add how what is the housing for this one?

66.

666 homes and it's already congested where you got you have to take an hour and a half to travel commute a half a mile. It's ridiculous. It's egregious to the city of Claremont and it's it's its community. It shows um that there is basically no planning in this because they're coming unprepared with statistics such as this and um they're just building building building overdevelopment and it seems we found a loophole which I myself am going to investigate and going ahead and and see what's going on and maybe the city of Claremont instead of taking because I feel the city of Claremont especially on the last one with the with the 1.8 8 million. It doesn't seem like it it would do anything to this one. For 8 point something million, we would take a loss on. I feel like we should have took a loss on that one and started controlling it and shut it down, shutting down a development. I I feel since I've seen tonight, um, everybody sitting up here is kind of leaning towards what I'm trying to stand up for the community for. And um I don't think that we would be disappointed if you took action like that. Preventative maintenance um preventative uh loopholes as we see that's going on here. Um do we have a decision like last time or were we forced in our hand like we were last time?

It's the same as last time. So basically answer the questions.

So basically we're forced into making a decision which has nothing to do with us uh as the city of Claremont and the constituents of constituents of Claremont, the the members of Claremont have no say what you said again uh last time. We had no say in that that and it looks like we have no say in this. I think that's outlandish and it bewilders me that we would even come to this point after so much so much development has already happened. Um I feel like there's there's um conflict of interest going on. Um which I will be investigating. And um I don't know what else to to bring to your attention at this moment, but I mean the the wildlife in that spot right there is going to be going. We're going to have wildlife. Um I mean there was just a law passed in uh um Florida about cruelty towards animals. I feel this is cruelty towards the animals. The habitat ecosystem we got to look at all those root systems that are there that are the natural infrastructure of Florida to keep our land and our sands uh uh um in in proper condition for um runoff. Have we even considered the runoff that this is going to cause to the uh the surrounding Kings Ridge and um what is it the reserve down there and all that? Um what is the development that's happening on end of John's Lake? Isn't there another development that's supposed to go up over there? I mean when does it stop? When does it stop?

I understand. So thank you. Thank you very much for your Oh boy. 2693 jump way Joe Famasi Wellness Way. Uh when I seen this project come about and I heard about it and they put it into the sector plan of the Wellness Way area, the one shortfall that they did is they did not put in a secondary water infrastructure for irrigation and other needs. So, uh, I find this plan is going to put us in a worse predicament. Just in my area alone, there's supposed to be over 3,000 homes by completion. Then we have the Dell Web, which is still in the county, 1,400, David Weekly, uh, at the Olympics project, which is in the city, is over 200 some homes. And then we're talking about uh Parkside Trail that the city of Claremont sold their soul for to give them extra 149 homes for $2.1 million which was found it was supposed to put in the right spot for the fire station. So my question is is is the county really thinking about secondary water or they just busy using Claremont as a utility provider and then handing them off crap projects. So, when does it come to an end? Where's our JPA or joint agreements on this to stop this kind of abuse? The county likes to blame the city for overgrowth and sprawl, but it seems to me this is evident tonight that it's coming from the county starting projects and then pretty much tying you up into a spot that you have to accept it. So, I hope we keep these uh benefits as

far as you were saying is the impact fees because the last administration, former city manager, I seen a lot of fees that maybe were given away that shouldn't have been. And I know I've asked the uh city attorney to look at that. So, I hope we hold on to these impact fees and not give them back as builder credits uh necessarily. And I hope you'll consider that. I know this project is going to go forward, but I hope that you'll keep in mind that we do have a shortage of water down there, which the county didn't plan for, and they tossed it to you to be the one to provide these utility agreements, and that's how they snake in here. So, maybe before you sign another utility agreement with them, you should talk to them about uh handing you a project that's worth taking and annexing, cuz that seems to be their plan. sign the utility agreement, you provide the water, and then we're going to hand you off this project whether you like it or not. Thank you. Thank you, sir. Very well said. Hello, my name is Rosie Maul Holland. I live at 10240 Lake Mola Shores, Claremont, Florida. I'm here tonight representing the Florida Native Plant Society. Um, I'm also a certified wildlife biologist. So, you've got three ordinance things in front of you for this project. So maybe these comments go to one of the other two, but I figure you guys will give me that latitude and grace to just repeat them. Um, so quite a bit of this development has already been cleared. We've already heard how tonight how that happens. Um a portion

of that property that has already been cleared uh directly abuts to its west a very critical state property which is called the warriia track. It's managed by the Florida forest service um has a collection of some of the rarest plants that we still have intact in Florida. Um the development doesn't have to be a bad neighbor to those plants, but that property requires prescribed burning. Uh they just burned all it's 120 acres. They just burned 120 acres this year, which is just normal habitat management for that habitat type. It should be burned on a rotation of about every three years. So, all of that can still be done, believe it or not. I'm also a certified burn manager. You can do that next to a development, but it requires some grace from the people that live around you to say, "Oh, I smell smoke today. I'm not going to have a meltdown." Um, and notifications. the the city can have things in their ordinances that say things like it's kind of the chicken farm thing. I move next to a chicken farm and I don't get to explain that the chicken farm stinks. I don't I don't know. There's some official language to that. So, I mean that would be something for the city to consider so that we can keep managing the 120 acres adjoining on the west side. Uh it would be nice that there would be a buffer because in general uh the neighbors to public lands tend to throw their invasive trash right over the fence into the fire line that the public land managers are using to

keep wildfires in their property out of the house fire um scenario. And then uh to kind of bring it to an end, the southern portion of this property, which I do understand from an earlier conversation is maybe in the last phase of development, it has not been cleared yet. So when you look at the aerial photo you have, it is the only thing where there's one stick of a tree left. Um that acorage is of really high interest to the Florida Native Plant Society because we would like to go in there and rescue plants. So, we have a program where we move plants from areas that are being developed uh to areas that are that have restoration plans in place in perpetuity. So, that again is not a city requirement that you can make, but my request would be that we'd be able to work with the land owners uh prior to that being developed. And we have a good track record. We worked with Madame Homes through all of their uh phases very successfully. We've worked with Up Fieldgate for over 10 years on Highway 50 on the Castle Hill property if you've been around a while. Um so anyways, we we have that track record and we'd like to try to save something. There is very nice language in this ordinance that talks about open space and preserving native Florida habitats. Uh restoring sand hills and scrub habitat. Well, I can tell you you can't build new scrub in Sandill, but there might actually be intact scrub in Sand Hills still on that property to the south end, and that would be the place to save it versus trying to build it new somewhere in this development. That's I think it. So, apply that to

whichever ordinance it works best for. Thanks very much. Appreciate it.

Thank you. Very well said, ma'am. Good evening. I'm still trying to get used to wearing glasses and read down here and talk up here. So, I apologize in advance if I'm looking down, and I should be looking up. Uh, my name is Paul My address is 17825 Terra Vista. For this particular situation, you can call me David because it looks like I'm David, the little white spot in the center there surrounded by Goliath. Um, when we talk about uh, as the uh, preceding lady just referred to, the wildlife to the left or to the uh, excuse me, west, I'm the wildlife in the center. So horses, all sorts of wonderful agricultural life. I understand both from my research, my attorney's research, your attorney, the developer has rights. This is not about whether or not they're going to slam the homes in. It's coming in. And and in fact, I got to tell you, as a father of a 19-year-old, I'm excited because none of those kids are going to have to walk from Lake County into Orange County to be able to catch a bus to school. So, as my daughter did for her entire time in Lake County. So, thank you all for that. Thank you for annexing it. Thank you for taking care of the kids. On the flip side, I do have a very similar concern with regards to irrigation. understand that that is not part of the annexation. This is just part of use. Um and I also value the 8.6 million. Um it's a lot of money. But I'm

also questioning is the 8.6 million one time. Yeah. If you're not supplying the irrigated water, the irrigation water, why are why is the city not making additional revenue forever as opposed to just settling for onetime money? um simply asking questions. I don't know the answers. Um lastly, um as you see here, as we saw when the development started, um everything is displayed in two dimensions. Um what you don't see on there is there's roughly a 25 foot delta between the border and the home, which directly is to the north of me. 25 feet in the air is quite a big a lift. It's made worse by the fact that my property, as that property used to do, slopes. So, the delta between where they're going to put new homes and my home is about 40 ft different. So as the city has the opportunity because again while density lots things infrastructure is all vested back to the developer there are things that the city does have the ability to regulate such as height such as number of stories such as detailed in the understory with regards to creating buffer zones. Um, and I would just simply ask that you all consider that when it comes to proceeding forward with this. I'm not, again, I'm not here to say don't do this. I would take the money, too. But if I were in your shoes, I would be thinking how else with 660 homes can I benefit the city of Claremont more as opposed to just taking what Lake County is giving me. Thank you.

Thank you, sir. Once again, great points. Okay, looking around the audience, I knew she was coming up.

Hi, my name is Janette Uh, that is my husband. Our address is 17825 Terra Vista. Um, I know my husband pointed out um the little white square that's in the middle of this development. Um, if you were to zoom in, I don't think that's is that possible. Um, do you want to put the aerial map instead so she can the aerial map? That would be Yeah, this one. Oh, I see. Much better. Thank you. Y

um I don't know. I don't I'll use my I'll use this as a pointer. So, this triangle right here. Oops. This triangle here, that little piece is our property. So, we are bordered on this southern section here. Um, when Scott Boyd um and the developers had brought this project to our attention, um, there were several consolations that they were giving to the homeowners of the agricultural and rural area, which is what is surrounding this entire um, development. Um, when we bought our property, we were no fools. It was orange groves behind us. In Florida, if it's orange groves or pine trees, it will grow subdivisions. That's what happens here. Um, so we knew this would be developed. We weren't fooled to believe that it would be anything else. We're thankful it's not apartments or high density. Um, I feel that, um, when we purchased the property, it was zoned as rural, um, one house per 5 acres. That is now changed. Um it is now um I'm sorry.

Go ahead.

Oh yeah. Um so it's um very different now. I'm not here to argue that. I know it is what it is. Um what I'm looking for is looking to find out where out of 660 homes, where are these children going to school? Is there no way for you guys to put some other constellations into? Yes, you're getting 8 million. That's wonderful for Claremont. What other provisions can you put in place um to benefit Claremont? Um more schools, more um firehouses. What fire? There's one firehouse that will support these 660 homes. That's not enough. So, being that you guys can put different provisions in there, um I'm looking for um like the wildlife woman was talking more, um landscape buffer between my property and this property. I know that doesn't change what you guys approve and don't approve. Um I think you guys really should um as many people have pointed out um be a little more aware to the slight of hand and the shell game um very New York style um that happens here. They say, "Hey, you know what? Claremont's not going to approve what we want. We'll do it under Lake County and then we'll put it under Claremont's nose and bait them with the eight million and they'll take it." I understand it's all politics. Everything is business, including churches. So, um, I just want you to try and use some of that back to them and say, "Hey, you know what? Yeah, we're going to take this, but at what cost?" Um, you know, you're getting calls about coyotes and all of this. They have no place to go. They're scared to death because we've just torn down 600 or 2,000 acres for these homes. So, thank you for letting us speak.

Thank you for bringing that to our attention, ma'am. All right. Uh, anybody else in the audience would like to speak up for or against this project? Microphone is open. Okay. Going once, twice. Seeing there's nobody else, I'm closing the public comment. Bringing it back to the commission, not the council. All right, let's uh Miss May.

Yes. So, we're doing item three, which is the comp plan. Um, one question to staff is the public hearing. Was there any public hearing as required for a amendment to the comprehensive plan? I did I did drive by the site because I drive the site all the time because I have to go to uh Gardens and Wellness Way. I didn't see a sign on along the Hardwood Marsh. What is what are the protocol for uh public uh notice on this for council and PNZ that there should be a sign but the the yellow cards were sent out but I can verify about the the the yellow uh sign that goes

right so in regards to public notice is this a public notice um is this under because based on section 101-281 notice of public hearing it says all amendments to the comprehensive plan or the land development code shall comply with the following one. Reszoning future land map amendment. The following requirements apply to owner initiated amendments. However, they're they are superseded by the requirements of the Florida statute 166 for resoning amendments initiated by the city

and by the requirements of Florida statute. So, we're So, you guys are bound by the Florida statute, not the city code and public comments. So, those are a little different. So I just wanted to know what's the difference between what I have here in this packet which is this which is the usual versus what the Florida statute requires.

So this will go for intro and transmitt. Uh the transmitt is for the large scale con conser comprehensive plan. Uh the first meeting in December to city council. The transmitt then goes to state agencies and they have uh 60 days to or 30 days to um to get back to us on any comments. Uh but we give them a whole 60 days before we bring it back to council for final approval. But does that also include public um a public workshop with everybody? That's I mean it's public workshop. Yeah. I'm just trying to figure out.

We'll do the same process with uh putting out the legal ads and the public notice cards that we put out. So, prior to this meeting though, was there any public workshop on the annexation on the comprehensive plan? Was there anything a workshop? No, ma'am. So, everybody that's here is learning about it now after after the fact. They might have received a public notice card if they were in that 200 foot boundary. So again, you're going under the city code, not the Florida statue. So I'm just I'm trying to figure out what the Florida statue means because it's it's different because in the code it's talks about Florida statue. The Florida they have to follow the Florida statue, not the city code.

Yeah. And I'm just I'm just trying to make sure. What are are you saying that the city didn't follow? I'm just trying to figure out because I passed by the site. I didn't see a sign a public notice sign. I did see it on Ivy's Ridge, but I didn't see it sign. Yeah. Code enforcement. It would be great again. Yeah. Yeah. But our code Yeah. It would be great like I was on the code enforcement if we can have a picture of the sign. They they they do have a sign. So a picture of that sign but on in our package. Oh, in the package. Yeah. I've requested that before.

Sorry about that. Um yeah, I mean I don't I mean this is the same as the last one. Um Mr. Chair. So, in regards to me having any questions, I mean, this is we're just on item three, so I understand because of what happened on the item one, I have no further questions. Thank you, Commissioner May. Commissioner Kobe,

I don't think I've read this story before. Um, I I don't really um you know, I I think um I'm looking forward to um to Miss May's um uh comments and uh maybe some amendments in the the resoning, but um you know, I I think that um you know, it's quite clear what's happening here. It's very similar to the previous items and um you know, I think we we don't have any choice but to um to to move this forward and we're we're better off having it in Claremont than not. So, I don't have any other questions at this time.

Thank you, Mr. Kobe. Uh, Commissioner McCrae, I hate to use the word ditto, but I think people know where I stand on this right now. I feel you're better off in the city. Yes. Once again, Lake County has put the cart before the horse. And trust me, you don't want to get this man start on what it's going to do to traffic. He is the champion of of Claremont fighting at every meeting. I will also remind people, the people sitting up here, we're not elected. We're volunteers, so we we find ourselves not under the influence of any money of any sort. We find ourselves under the influence of just really trying to do the right thing because probably every person up here has had a grievance. I sat in that audience long enough and said, "I'm not going to sit there anymore. I'm going to get up here and do something about it." I've been just as angry as every person in here because when it hits home, we get up and do something about it. But the problem is is finding out that wanting to do something about it and being able to do something about it are two entirely different things. And it's politics and it's government. So you get right now normally seven people up here and most of us most of the time we agree we get pretty upset when we have to push things through. But we don't have the control over this one. You know and I'll say it again. We're better off with you in the city without than with than being outside of the city because we can help regulate and control things and you'll have a voice in the city. I'm frustrated. I'm as frustrated as my fellow commissioners are on this, but I will be voting yes on this.

Thank you, Commissioner Kramer. Uh may I like to open it up to you, Commissioner Sedona. Thank you. So, I think if anything, tonight is uh two prime examples of how we have a city that doesn't know how to negotiate. uh 660 homes. It's approximately 1330 new vehicles that are going to be on the road. And currently the only entrances are on Hardwood Marsh Road. So until and it's in the other packet, so I don't want to get ahead of myself. Two lane road.

A two-lane road. Thank you. Perfect. So Hardwood Marsh Road up in that area is one lane coming and one lane going. And I've sat in that same hour of traffic because my GPS took me that way from Avalon to get to 27. And all I did was ride my break past every other HOA. Just riding my break till you get past the Publix to make the right on 27 cuz I'm at Fox Chase. So 660 homes, 1330 vehicles. That's just an average of maybe two per house. We know it's going to be more because you build three bedroomedroom homes, four bedroomedroom homes. So you're looking at somewhere in the neighborhood of 2,000 to 3,000 people. To your point, ma'am, where are the schools, the hospitals? Is anybody even worried about response times? Probably not. Um, everything empties out onto Hardwood Marsh Road. What could possibly go wrong? Uh, at 2,700 people, let's round it up to 3,000. We would need to your point three firefighters and three police officers. I'm not going to get ahead of myself because there is a public safety portion in there that I would like to tear apart when we get to that. But again, two absolute phenomenal examples where if we had a negotiating team or some people that had some goons as we would call it would negotiate to say you know what the only way I'm taking this in forget about 8.3 million I want 18.3 million number one and number two especially since construction hasn't begun. You said them earlier construction hasn't begun on this one.

Yes, it has. Yes, it has. Okay. Well, I know it's been bulldozed. I don't know. They poured concrete.

They've poured concrete. Okay. So, we're done. But also knowing the conditions that already exist in unwell in this way, you would think that we would have had some negotiating power to say, you know what, we're finally going to widen or do something with Hardwood Marsh and hold the developer accountable to it. But, you know, here we go again. Um, I was told I probably shouldn't make this comparison being from somebody who grew up in Brooklyn, but for any of you who know what the Gowanas Canal is or the Van Wick Expressway, you'll know coming over the Varano Bridge, you come to a dead crawl and that's three lanes going off the VZ and coming towards the bridge. and it's every day and it's constantly under construction and it's constantly got potholes and we're not even considering what human nature is going to do to Hardwood Marsh Road or your property or any of that wildlife. So, I'll wait till we get this other stuff to get my thoughts out on there, but I think at some point um we need a city council that doesn't like to be held hostage by the Lake County Council. So, thank you.

Very good. Uh, Commissioner Kadona, very well said once again on your opinion. If I'm not mistaken, I'd like to ask staff a question. Uh, I've been I fought this. I want to let everybody in this room know before I sat in this chair. I went to Lake County and I stood with those people, okay? And I fought this. I fought this up there. I spoke to I turned blue in the face to all five of the commissioners and they didn't care. They did not care. So this is going through. Okay. But to staff the schools, there is a certain aortion amount of money on each home that's going towards a school. Am I correct by saying that? Yes, sir.

Cuz I remember hearing that at the county level when I was there. Okay. It's this is pretty much the same as the previous projects. Yes, sir. because I know they opened it. Uh to Commissioner May's uh suggestion about not having the yellow sign there, I did see the yellow sign. I could tell you right now it was moved.

It was moved by the construction. I did see it. All right. Uh and it was moved and it was gone. All right. Because I know there's a lot of construction because of the new roundabout they're putting over there. All right. That's unfortunate. All right. Uh, so I'm not going to, you know, once again, the couple right there, my heart goes out to you guys. It really does. And I just want to let you know that Orange County did not want nothing to do with this project when we were fighting this at the county level. I think were you there at the county with me fighting this? So, you know exactly who I am. All right? Cuz I don't go for this. You're talking about Hartwood Marsh. All right. So, it looks like it's going to pass. So, we'll have to take a vote on it and see where it's going. Okay. Uh so at that point uh do we have any Mr. Don Commissioner Don?

Sorry I do have a couple of questions. Two questions. When we talk about the money that's going to the schools, are we building a new schools or we putting kids in trailers? So that's that's up to the school board. It's they pay into the school concurrency and then it's up to the school board to decide where they put that money or in what location they they build a school. Okay. I have a question for the couple. Is it all right if I ask them the question? And it it's up to um you uh broadly speaking it's it would be out of order. Um but in a small gathering where there's no it's not like a adversarial hearing. I think you as chair have discretion

right. Okay. I'll allow that. Okay. Thank you. Mr. Chair, you mentioned something about a 45 ft delta. So, are you saying that this property is 45 feet higher than your property? Once again, for the record, state your name and address, please.

Paul 17825 Terra Vista Court. Yes, is the simple answer to the question. So from the border to where they have put final grade where they have the building stakes or the lot stakes um it was originally slated to be 25 ft. Um I have not gotten out anything to shoot it yet from the property line but the that's from the border which was already on a slant and then you move down to where our residence is and you're down another 20t 18. So yeah, from my foundation to the foundation that's going to be there, you're looking at about a 40 45 ft delta.

So So at what point do we have the ability to make sure that these folks don't get washed out? I mean, is it another Claremont retaining wall? How do how do we hold back all that water? How do we how do we hold back all that runoff? Has anybody thought about that? I'm sure you have. I know you have. I'm I'm guess I'm the only one who's actually thinking about it. 45 ft is a fourstory building. So, thank you. That was increased from its prior grade that it was at.

We understand that, ma'am. Please, we understand that. I'm not No disrespect. I just have to move on. Unfortunately, it's tough. It's very tough to swallow this one. Okay. Uh, any other discussion from the council, I mean the commission? Then I'm going to make a motion, if I may, to approve ordinance number 2025-041. Second.

Okay. Uh, ready to have that right. First and second motion. Uh, we're going to have to go to roll call. We're going to do each item individually. We're going with the first item or item ordinance number 2025-041. Starting off with commission at the donor. Nay, Miss May. Uh, Commissioner May on the large scale comp plan amendment. Yes. Commissioner Kobe, yes. Commissioner Kramer. Chairman votes nay.

So we have it passes three to two. Okay, going to ordinance number 2025-042. Do I have a motion? I'll make a motion to approve ordinance number 2025. Wait, were we not doing discussions on item four? If you want. Yes, I we could do discussions before and after of a motion. Yeah. Okay. I mean, this is a different I'm going to follow you of protocol. So, but I am still going to make the motion for approval of ordinance number 2025-042. And now we can have some public.

I'll second it and then we can have discussion. Correct. Second. So, we can take a vote now if you want, chairman. No, we have to she wants to have more discussion.

Yeah. No, this is something that I have to add uh based on the information that was provided. Um again, uh I I actually this ordinance is way ahead of what we just a agreed to, but there's a lot of things here that need to be added in the conditions. I mean, I heard about a bird management um ordinance to be this. I don't think this is in here because that is very important, especially if they're doing burn management. We're going to have smoke and so there has to be a condition in here. Um I guess for buffers I'm assuming um secondary water system for irrigation. The only thing that I see here in regards to irrigation because this is right. This is where I can add my conditions. Not in the other one, but I can add them here because all I see here for irrigation is just that they have to do a purple purple piping. There's nothing in here about secondary. I just went through this entire thing. Oh, project shall be plumbed with purple piping to irrigate all uses. So, um I'm concerned about um you know the grading uh for you know there is there buff is there a buffer for you know this home here? There should be I mean I don't I'm just there's got to be some conditions here in regards to I mean the this person did a great job adding a lot compared to the other one.

Yeah, there's a enhanced buff but you know I I heard these concerns from you know from the folks here in regards to secondary water system and a bird management notification. Those are the only things that I don't see here. Um but everything else in regards to drainage, storm water management, that's all being done. Um, so I don't know how to add that condition to this. One, one of two things would have to happen. Either um friendly amendment, you know, either the amendment would have to be accepted by the movement and the seconder or the motion as it stands would have to be voted down and then you would make your own motion. But this is not on the amendment. This is on the reason. I thought we just I thought we just approved the amendment, the comp the large comp plan. So this is just a condition to the reason

is on this one, right? I thought we had a motion on the floor. We have a motion and a second. We're looking to to amend this. We have to vote. Oh, is are So, are we is yours for the comp plan? No, we already we already approved that. Well, that's what I'm saying. So, if you want your conditions to be in there, No, not in the amendment and the reason, right? The first one's already passed, right? We're we're we're on the reszone. So what I'm saying is if you want your conditions accepted, it has to be accepted by the movement and the seconder or the motion has to fail and then you make a motion. Right? So in other words, we vote first and it fails.

No, you you do if do you accept the conditions that Commissioner May has laid out? That's why I'm trying. That's we didn't hear it yet. I thought I heard it. No.

No. That's what I'm trying to do. That's why I'm asking in regards to wording. There has to be some condition in there and I'm relying on you all for the wording. I hear a secondary water system for irrigation. That's not in here. And a burn management notification or I guess a smell ordinance I think she had stated. And also I know there's buffers in here. So, I just wanted to make sure that the buffer also includes a way to buffer um the the property that these people have. So, those are the conditions that I would like added in here, but I just need the proper wording for it. So, I'm just I'm looking to you all to to try to provide me some wording for the conditions for those. To my understanding those the wording would have to come from the commissioners. Is that correct Christian? Correct.

No, I mean it can be a collaborative process. Secondary water irrigation and a burn notification. Correct. And and I want to reassure because I don't know if it's in here a buffer system or if there is a buffer along that property. I don't I don't I don't memorize the AKs when it u refers to the buffers, but I know they do have enhanced buffers. That's uh much more than what the city code is. Okay. Um and I do believe it's around I want to say the south end and where those orange groves are. Um but I do believe that throughout the project is our enhanced landscape office. It's just again it's so hard not to be able to see it,

you know, the site plan. So, if I can add those three conditions to your motion, then if those can be added to your to your motion, I would be fine with that. As long as I don't have to repeat them. Mhm. What What would the third um would be on the landscape buffers? I'm sorry. It would be it'd be two conditions. Two conditions. Two conditions. So, correct. It would be two conditions. It would be adding a secondary water system for irrigation and having the burn management notification. Bird management notification. I will accept that and I will accept it. There you go. Chairman, we have Thank you.

Okay, we have a first and a second motion with additions to the conditional conditions. All right, we're going to have to take a roll call on this. Starting off with Commissioner Teddona. Do I get to ask a question? Are we still in discussion? You're more than welcome. So, just two two quick things. There there is a public safety section in here where the developer is willing to give three acres to the city of Claremont for the purpose of uh a public safety facility. Put

that away. um with a stipulation that if the city doesn't construct that public safety facility within 10 years, then that property goes back to McKinnon Groves. And I think that could have been part of our negotiations with them that they should have built the facility because that means we've got 10 years to come up with a design plan, a construction plan, and actually build something um that maybe we have the money for or we might not have the money for in the next 10 years. The other thing, exhibit A, concept plan, page 85,

shows three roads that are going to be cutting through, I guess, into Orange County. Uh, the two on top say potential future roadway connection and the one towards phase three and phase four is a dedicated access to Lookout Hill Road. So, without knowing what the plans are, and I realize it's in the future, we don't know if that's again one lane in, one lane out, two lanes coming, two lanes going, or what kind of impact that's going to have on that property. Um, there doesn't seem to be any sight kind of rear sight access out of phase 4. Um, so I mean again just I'm sorry but common sense if you're living in phase 4 it's probably going to take you a half an hour just to get out to Hardwood Marsh Road to get out of this resort. So I guess it's aptly named resort style living in the case that you want to stay on the resort, not venture off the resort. But thank you. That's all I have.

Very well. Commissioner uh Dona, I do want to let you know that uh we were at the meeting with that couple and county wants nothing new with no in no entry points or exit points into into Orange County. So they could have all those arrows there, but I heard it from their mouth. So I just want to clarify. Thank you for that because then that means all of the traffic then is directed back onto Hardwood Marsh Road, right? They don't want into Lake County. Thank you for that clarification. That's exactly what it was said. Thank you very much.

All right. Uh I was with that couple and pretty much that is a retaining north of their property is a retention pond, but to Miss May's point, there's a lot of homes that is to the west of their property and that's my concern, too. So, we have a motion in a second. We're going to go to roll call if there's no other further discussion. John, uh, Commissioner Teddona, if we're including the amendments, including Right. including I am a Yes. Yay. Yes. Yes. That's one. Yay. Miss Commissioner May. Yes. Commissioner Kobe. Yes. Commissioner Kramer.

Yes. Chairman votes nay. Okay. Uh so that would conclude the new business. There was no unfinished business. Is there any non-aggenda items to be spoken about? Seeing none. Meetings adjourned. So all you got to do is yay or people. Very easy. He was out there.

Can't see the classes.