Planning and Zoning Commission - Regular Meeting

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I call the Tuesday, October 7th, 2025 City of Claremont Planning and Zoning Commission meeting to order at 6:30. Will the clerk please call the role? Commissioner Tidona here. Commissioner May, present. Commissioner Neim, present. Commissioner Bane, here. Commissioner Kramer, here. And at this time, David Colby and Paula Hoisington is not present. Okay. So, we do have a quorum of uh five commissioners.

All right. If you would please stand as you are able for the pledge of allegiance. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Okay. Thank you. Uh I just would like to remind everyone to please make sure your microphone is turned on before speaking and to speak clearly into it so that the people here present in the room and also those watching online can hear. And also as a reminder, this meeting is being recorded and broadcasted on the city's YouTube channel which can be found at city of Claremont. Commissioners, you should have received the minutes from the September 2nd, 2025 planning and zoning commission meeting. Are there any additions, corrections, changes? I know that the clerk has one from uh Commissioner Hoisington. Are there any others? Okay. Not Hoisington.

No, Commissioner Hisington has one as well. So, if you have one, Mr. Kramer, uh yes, if you look at um on what would be page 10, it would look like it says motion to recommend approval of resolution number 2025-023R. I'm talking about 12 1227 Bloxom. That is a typo and it should be 2025-024R. Where where is this? Right here. Motion to recommend on this page 12. On page 12, not page 10. It says it's 10 and 12. It says 10 here and 12 there. It's page 12 of the packet.

Okay. Page 12 of the packet. Okay. about halfway down motion to recommend change just change it from 23R to 024R. Okay. Just had the wrong uh uh number. Okay. Anything else? That's it. All right. If not, if there's not, will anyone make a motion with those two um two changes? I'll make a motion to approve the minutes with the change as noted changing 2025-023R on page 12 of the packet to 2025-025R

and with Mrs. uh Commissioner Hoisington's change of she clarified her vote of how she voted for that same same one. Is there a second? I'll second it. Okay. Any final discussion? Let's move on. Seeing none, all those in favor say I. I. I. I. Any opposed? Chair votes I as well. Minutes carry 5-0. All right, we will move on to reports. And since Commissioner Hoisington is not here, we will move and start with Commissioner Teddona.

Where's he going? He quit. Oh. Good evening everyone. So, first and foremost, before I get started with this, um since we haven't been together since September, uh I just wanted to recognize uh the heroes and the innocent lives that were lost on 911. Uh I wanted to recognize the loss of an incredible conservative uh values voice and Mr. Charlie Hurt. And certainly today marks the second anniversary of the massacre in southern Israel. So, what I'm about to show you is stuff that I've actually witnessed driving around Claremont. So, I'm kind of like uh I don't know, maybe spearheading some Claremont safety awareness level stuff for our residents. So, this intersection is the intersection of Citrus Tower Road, then across 27 onto what I've affectionately termed as Panic Ridge Road. So, what you'll find, uh, what I have found coming up Citrus Tower with the racetrack on the right is the lefthand lane. When you start to cross 27, you get the folks that are going into Chick-fil-A and they'll enter into that cutout to go to Chick-fil-A. There are occasions where you've got cars coming down Panic Ridge Road. So, there's a delay in those folks making the lefthand turn in. So, what winds up happening is two, three,

four cars fill that lane. This lane now backs up into 27. Could you use the actual um screen the the podium so you can point because we can't see where you're pointing. Yeah, there you go. Thank you. Hold on. Now, now we got you're Okay, now we're cooking with gas. There you go.

So, if you're in this lane, the lefthand lane going straight up Panic Ridge Road, there's a cutout here to go into Chick-fil-A. What happens sometimes that I've witnessed is that this lane here will fill up with cars and then cars back up right into the intersection. So, all I would like people to be aware of just to be careful is when you come into this intersection, you might want to hug the right hand lane. So, you might be a little bit freer going up, but you still have to worry about the rocket scientist who's going to try to cut into that right-hand lane to bypass all of this. So, it's really just a matter of please be careful because that that cutout fills up quick and then it just fills up with cars who are in a hurry to get back up the road while you've still got cars coming down here. So, real simple deep. So, the other day, uh, my wife, my daughter, and I went to Bob Evans for dinner, lunch, sorry. Um, and the first thing that I noticed when I came down this road to come in were the five brand new stores and some trees and some foliage and stuff like that, which it it it's okay. It looks pretty, I guess. But the problem is when you make this turn and you start getting into going into Bob Evans or into Culver's, this just presented one big blind spot. And I'll get to I'll show you the picture. So when you come around and you want to go into Bob Evans, the other thing you have to be careful of, there's no crosswalks. There's nothing to slow anybody down. There's a stop sign here. I think there's a yield sign here, but ultimately you could just come around uh and go wherever you want. And it's a narrow road. Yeah, you can get two cars

side by side, but it's basically an oversized onelane road. This is a picture from I took from here to the front. So, there's your five stores. There's all the trees along the side, along the front, and all inside. Like I said, it looks nice. It's cute. Kind of reminds me if it if it had a uh twisty treat over here would remind me of another project we were talking about. But anyway, um you come in and there's an this is an entire blind spot to anything that's coming at you this way. So there's if you come in 2530 miles an hour, let's just say you're doing that quick and somebody comes around here. Please everyone just be mindful and be careful. And lo and behold, on the way out from Bob Evans where I am stopping at this stop sign. Okay, this guy blows through this. Just keeps rolling right on through. This minivan did a nice thing and stopped at the stop sign here and then proceeded. This guy is trying to cross over the minivan under the minivan. I beg your pardon. And look here. Here is a pickup truck with a trailer. Uh, he doesn't have to do anything but keep going. There's nothing here that slows him down. There's no speed bumps. There's no crosswalk. There's literally nothing that takes that makes this guy slow down. And I'm watching this unfold. And I hand my phone to my wife and I'm like, "You need to take this picture." And she's like, "What? That just that whole intersection." So again, my point is for my fellow Claremontians, please be careful. Please be mindful because we people are just doing what they want to do. You don't have room to maneuver. Okay.

Full disclosure, I sent this information to the city council. I also sent this information to the Lake County Commissioners. This is the Florida Highway Safety motor vehicle crash dashboard. And in 2024, for all of Lake County, there were 49 crash fatalities in vehicles. There were 94 bicycle crashes and there were four fatalities from bicycles. This is all of 2024. I'm going to see if I could do this. So, this way you could get some of this. So unfortunately in 2025 and the year is not over and we don't have October numbers in it's sad to say that we have beat every record in the worst way. So for 2025 at the end of September we haven't done October, November, December. We now have 52 fatalities from crashes. of the 72 bicycle crashes. I realize that's less than 94, but unfortunately we've already got five fatalities and the year is not in. And Lake County, from what I understand, is very very dependent on uh bike athletes that come from all over the planet to play here and to train here. So when you start looking at the root cause of this, sorry but sorry but not sorry. The more traffic in an area that hasn't had infrastructure upgrades means more accidents. Okay. So my last point I'm I know I'm not here long. Okay. And I can actually do this with this. But we get asked we get asked plenty of times to adjust our codes for developers

and for different kind of corporations. All right. Um so we kind of like seem to either bend the rules or we agree to disagree and it gets hashed out here. But I kind of think that though some of the codes and rules may need to be changed or talked about that benefit the residents of Claremont first. Um otherwise it's it it just seems to me that it's like who's ever in the intersection first or certainly we don't want to be known for the bicycle kill capital of the world. So and that's my report. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you John. Commissioner May,

I'll try to be brief. Um, and this follows up with uh with John here. So, the good news is that um we are getting a I guess consultant to work on the comprehensive plan and the and the code. So, that's coming. So with that um I attended the kickoff meeting uh with USABMX in code design and it was great because there was uh attendees there that came from all types of businesses um representatives of various organizations in interested residents uh sports enthusiasts. Um so we had a you know we had a pretty decent um amount of people there and um the president chairman of USA BMX Shane Fernan has led the visioning meeting. they had co- uh the co-design DBC codeesign was there virtually. So he spoke about the USA ABA uh that he started and uh and he and how he worked on the BMX headquarters in Tulsa. Um and how that facility had brought half a billion dollars in revenue for the city. And so that was exciting because that could be something that you know could happen here in Claremont. So it was great because he kind of broke us up into uh groups and he gave us you know questions that we kind of discussed among the groups and further you know and then after that we were able to discuss on things that came out of it. So the questions that came out were what makes Claremont authentic? What are the things our residents value and how we can enforce reinforce these key points? Most of the comments that fell into most of the comments from the groups were great um and cohesive where it's you know that it fell into four categories and one of them was Claremont's natural beauty. Our lakes, our rolling hills,

our trails are absolutely gorgeous. Um we have world class potential. Uh our top you know topography makes it ideal for training and a variety of sports. Um and also our lakes. um community. It's easy to form connections and set roots in Claremont. People are friendly, welcoming. Um and we also talked about the rich history and culture of our city. Um next we were asked um further questions and we had a chance um you know to kind of share on or touch on stuff that reinforced those assets. Um which focused on parks and wrecks. um some of the ideas that come out of it which I'm glad well in this way the the people from Olympus are actually here but uh you know having a BMX facility in Olympus um like the one in Tulsa uh that came up uh Sugarloaf Mountain to Lake Louisa Trail kind of do the connection from north to south of Claremont a trail around Lake Manola kind of you know close the loop um and also a multi-use path around Lake Mini Minihaha uh so those were you know great ideas and continued talks and there there'll be more workshops available for the community which is you know it's great to have input from the community. So this is exciting times because we you know they are listening to us of what we want. So, you know, he left it with us some homework um and wanted to kind of have more input uh from related industries here in Claremont. And um so if you work or participate in a related industry and could not attend, anyone can provide feedback. So the questions that were left to us was how do you measure success in your industry and what are ways your industry uh specialty inspires growth and affects change. So they're asking people to send ideas and the

email to send the ideas. The ideas is c2chitectgmail.com. Um also there's also a um Facebook page. It's called Strongs Claremont. She was in attendance and she also posted it on her Facebook page. So if there's any follow-up, she's also taking comments and she'll be uh passing that off to uh the people at BMX. The second uh meeting that I attended was part of my work um was on the live local. Um I I spoke to Anthony Duri who is with Bilson Sunberg um out of Miami and he is one of the key writers of the Live Local Act

um in Tallahassee. So he talked about uh well the different counties, cities and also the school boards that are opting out and there is and just to let the city of Claremont know there is a deadline to opt out and I believe it's in January or the 1 of January. So if we are deciding to opt out of the live local um we have a chance to do it and we have to be quick on it. We already did it. Perfect. Thank you. So I just wanted to touch on that. I mean to the extent we can right I'm sorry to the to the extent that it can be it's been exercised. Perfect. I appreciate that. So and that's all uh that's all I did.

Yeah. And if I can just piggyback uh that was live local came up today in the council workshop um relative to legislative priorities and um the council uh talked about um live local and SB 180 as two pieces of of state legislation. And um with regard to the live local, there was some uh thought that potentially there would be a change in how that is written and implemented so that it would only apply to counties that have a population of a certain number or higher or greater. Um and so uh hopefully uh we'll see some some changes there relative to how that legislation is is changed and or implemented moving forward after this legislative session. Yeah. And I think there's also the it's called the Shyberg Center for Housing Studies.

Yeah. And that annual report is updated every year, I believe. And that uh that's the source and determines a local government's eligibility out. So I just wanted to add that. Thank you. And that's Yeah. Thank you, Commissioner Neim.

Uh technically I have no reports. I just want to piggyback off of uh Commissioner Sedona. I just want to let everybody know out there and especially you Mr. at Sedona that it's really technically that was a great presentation. I've been fighting and I'm an advocate for the roads and safety of Claremont. So, I really could use the help and I really appreciate that presentation. But city of Claremont really, if I'm not mistaken, uh the roads that we own is hardly any. All right? It's uh the local roads. Like for example, the roads by uh Chick-fil-A, that's all state and that's county. Okay. Uh so if anybody out there, please don't take it out on our council because our council's hands are tied. They're amplifying my voice a lot at at the county level. So please write the emails if you are concerned. Write any emails to the MO. All right? or to the county commissioners and you can find anything on website. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

You're welcome. Thank you, Mr. uh Kramer. Commissioner Kramer,

good evening. Uh before we begin the agenda tonight, I just want to take a moment and reflect on a few events that highlight both the best of our community and some of the challenges that we face as public servants. First, I want to recognize the incredible turnout we had last week at National Night Out down at Waterfront Park. It was great to see a lot of families there, neighbors, community partners come together in support of our public safety officers. The event was a true celebration of unity with outstanding participation from the Claremont Police Department, Lake County Sheriff's Office, Fire and Rescue, representatives from our military. It reminded us of how strong this community is when we stand together. I also appreciated seeing several of our fellow commissioners and city council members there showing their support. Events like that really define what it is to be a a citizen of Claremont. I also want to take a moment and commend Vice Chair Vince Neck for his continued advocacy of the at the county level. Many of you may have seen him recently on the local news speaking before the Lake County Commission about Hartwood Marsh Road expansion. His remarks were heartfelt, focused, and real on real issues, safety, accessibility, and the well-being of our residents. Vince, your dedication to representing Claremont's interest and your willingness to stand up for this community are deeply appreciated.

Thank you, Commissioner. Finally, I feel compelled to address the recent city council action approving the land development code amendment concerning the display of the American flag. While patriotism is something that we all value deeply, I continue to believe that this action was political pandering and not good governance. flag was installed without prior permitting or adherence to existing code and rather than enforcing our process, our city council chose to change the rules after the fact. That decision, in my view, was not about honoring the flag. It was about appear appeasing public pressure and undermining the integrity of our planning process. Rules exist to ensure fairness and consistency. When we selectively change them after a violation, we weaken public trust and the credibility of our city standards. I say this not out of disrespect for anyone's patriotism, but out of the respect for our process, for the standards that keep our city accountable and our government transparent. Thank you.

Thank you, Commissioner Kramer. Um to echo a lot of the statements about events, uh there have been a lot of really good events in the in the community in the past month. Um we had Sips and Salsa, Latinfest, National Night Out. Um the the mayor's lunch. Um I uh was able to go to and I tried to go to to uh Bill's Bagels today uh this morning. Um but uh unfortunately uh Council Member Peterson wasn't there. So, uh, there was some of us there and we had some conversation, but, uh, so we tried to to be a part of that. Um, and there's a lot of good things and I encourage people to take part in those, um, that do happen here in the community. Um, I'm surprised my commissioner here to the left didn't bring up um the county board meeting next week on the 14th. Um, do you want to talk a little bit about Hartwood Marsh Road and um, that being an agenda item at our board of county commissioners? Well, yes. Uh, yes and no. I don't want to take up that much time. Uh, pretty much for those that live in Claremont, we have a little situation. All right. Uh, it's called Hartwood Marsh Road. It's one of the main veins coming into Claremont from Orange County and it's going to be even larger with Wellness Ridge coming down when Hancock opens up. It's going to be a major mess up. All right. And uh, the county level is pretty much telling us they don't have any money. The fun the best part it was funded in 2007 funded ready to go through. Okay. So I'm trying to hit every newscast there is. I'm trying to reach out to everybody. If you could write anything if you can in help of support. We need all we need three votes from the five county commissioners. Okay. Uh that's uh by getting that is they're going to take out a small loan. It's very simple people out there. The interest on the loan is nothing compared to what the

cost of the material was. I'm still trying to get the numbers, what the original cost was and comparing to what the cost is now. Do an average per year. All right. And basically, it's only a two-year loan. So, all we need is a small loan from the county commissioners. All right. If anybody saw the workshop today, Claremont is putting a lot of money in the county. It's about time they put some money back into us. All right, please. We don't need this. If I could get anybody's help in that audience, one email would be more than what I expected. Thank you very much. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Absolutely. And that meeting is next Tuesday at 9:00 in Tares is when the start time is. I don't know where the where it is on the agenda yet. Um, but it is something that you if you can go to the meeting, you can you can get a card and sign up to speak or if you want to participate via uh I think it's Zoom is what they use. um you can actually speak from the comfort of of your home or your office. Um don't do it while you're driving. Um and uh make sure that you participate in that because it truly uh Commissioner Neim has been a champion in this for uh up teen years. Um and it's unfortunate that we're still talking about it. Um and I hope that we can get some resolution from our commissioners to uh move forward on this and and move forward a lot sooner. Um, with regard to October being uh breast cancer awareness month, uh, for those of you who don't know, our uh, firefighter local 4350, the union for our Claremont Fire Department, uh, sells t-shirts. Uh, they're only 20 bucks. You can get them at uh, station 3 in that address, 2155 Legends Way. Uh, you can pay by credit card or or Venmo. Um, and it's a great way to uh all those proceeds stay local and go to folks and families and organizations that support those who have been affected by uh breast cancer. I think um something all of us unfortunately have um um experience with uh with our family and friends. So I I really encourage you to do that and they're super super comfortable shirts. Um today at the workshop there was some great conversation about um priorities for the city council and the direction moving forward working with our legislative leaders and I wanted to uh just just kind of pay some respect to and I'm glad to see the conversation relative specific to we have some items on the agenda tonight about wellness way and the impact fees that are being paid out there and how those are being utilized. And for those of you who don't

know, any development that comes in has to pay into some funds. Those funds are for parks and recreation, for infrastructure, for police, for fire. And um the folks in Wellness Way have been paying significant portions into those funds. And I think there was a lot of pointed questions about well, how much are those folks in Wellness Way paying? And where are we utilizing those funds? and what when are we going to start utilizing those funds to help pay for things like a station 5 or um other infrastructure improvements with water, wastewater, irrigation, water, etc. Um so I think it was long overdue and I'm glad to see that we started to have that conversation today in that legislative convers uh legislative priorities workshop and hope it continues moving forward from there. Um that is my report for now. I believe staff uh you have a report as well, Mr. Cruz.

Yes, sir. Good evening. Uh John Cruz, planning and development services. Just wanted to introduce a new face in the planning department, uh Justine Day. She's our new planner one, and she will be presenting a case tonight. So, I just wanted to introduce her and welcome her aboard. Wonderful. So, we have uh Mr. Gonzalez and Miss Day as our as our newer staff here in planning and zoning. That is correct. Awesome. Well, welcome aboard. Um any other staff reports from this end of the dis? Uh no, Mr. Chair.

Okay. Um I do have one question uh attorney W uh with regard to the rules uh regarding disclosures. Uh, I don't think we've talked about it here since the council has approved those and I'm hopefully everybody's aware the council did approve the the rules regarding disclosures. Um, can we make sure that we get that as commissioners, even as email, we don't have to wait till the next meeting. Get us the actual what's going into the ordinance, the rules, and then maybe just a summary of what that means moving forward. um so that we're prepared because what I would like to do in November is once we get into old business or and new business is to um read a disclosure statement to let folks know in the public and for the commissioners what needs to be disclosed and why. Uh and it'll be good to have that information available to us before we get to that.

No problem. Okay, wonderful. And if anybody has any additional questions, but yes, um, minor, when you get your crash dashboard paperwork, you will see a pie chart on there that does show a breakdown of the accidents and fatalities by state police, Lake County Sheriff, and Claremont PD. Uh, while it does not put the locations, we still have 52 people dead.

Okay. Thank you. And so that was on you're talking about with your report. Okay. Okay. I just want to make sure. All right. With that um we will move into unfinished business and um so we will have um city staff and applicant presentations of the agenda items followed by public comments and then action by the commissioners. Um and then we will proceed from there through the agenda. Um we'll announce each item and have the staff pres uh the applicant public comment and then commissioner comment and uh take a vote. So we'll start with item number one resolution number 2025-026R. This is the Lake Haven on Grand conditional use permit and Mr. Gonzalez.

Thank you. Good evening planning and zoning commissioners and guests. Nick Gonzalez, development services. The applicant is requesting a conditional use permit to allow for a condominium development in the R2 medium density residential zoning district. The vacant parcels are located east of South Gran Highway and north of East Highway 50. Uh just for some quick orientation, this is South Gran Highway. Uh this is the subject parcel outlined in yellow. It's north of the athome property and highway 50 is south of here. The subject property is designated for highdensity residential use under the city's future land use in zone R2 which permits multifamily development subject to a conditional use permit approval. Zoom out for this. Zoom out. There we go. Perfect. The proposed project includes a 20 unit condominium development that is consistent with both the density allowances and the intent of the Artune zoning district. No waiverss or variances variances have been requested by the applicant at this time. The site is located adjacent to residential and commercial uses with frontage access from South Grand Highway. This is the access from South Grand Highway, the main and only access. The proposed development will serve as a compatible transition between existing single family neighborhoods and com commercial corridors. The development could be considered infield development since the majority of the surrounding area has already been developed. When evaluating a request for a conditional use permit, the land development code section 101-212 requires specific development standards

that are required to be met. Staff has reviewed the application as submitted in accordance with the development standards criteria and finds a proposed use can meet the general criteria for granting a conditional use permit. The proposed use will not be detrimental to health, safety, and welfare of the surrounding community. Staff recommends approval of conditional use permit resolution number 2025-026R. And that concludes staff's presentation. Thank you. Is the applicant present? Okay. Do you have anything you would like to add? If so, please come to the podium. Uh state your name and address for the record.

Good evening. My name is Joe Zagami. Z A G A M E 230 Mohawk Road in Claremont. I don't have anything additional to present. Um you see here, uh we've updated the plan. Uh you now can see the units on there and um a member of my engineering group is here. If you have any technical questions, uh Julian in the back is going to come forward and answer those if you have any. Otherwise, I have nothing more.

Okay. Thank you. if you would just stick around and after we get through public comment and get back to the commission if there's any questions. This is the portion of the meeting where we turn it back to the public. If anyone here would like to speak on this issue, please come forward to the podium. State your name and address for the record and please limit your comments to this item and 3 minutes or less. Again, anyone here to speak on item number one, resolution 2025-026R, Lake Haven on grand conditional use permit. Okay, seeing no one, we will bring it back to the commission and we'll start with Commissioner Teddona.

Good evening, sir. Could you confirm for me how many bedrooms per per unit? We haven't made a final decision. These will either be two-bedroom or threebedroom. Okay.

I do want to acknowledge and thank you for the landscape buffer, um the walking path, um the extra parking, although on on some of the drawings, I don't see if anything is designated as an ADA parking spot. Okay. Um, I don't know if it was possible. I don't know if you followed up with maybe your engineer or you did to see if there was any kind of walkability to the nearby shopping center. Okay. Um the only other further comment that I have is last time we spoke I know you quoted you know Lake Stumper uh traffic planning and in their mind this was not going to be a very big impact on traffic and I get that. But at two bedrooms or three bedrooms that means 40 to 60 cars. um which may not sound like a whole lot, but it's 40 to 60 cars in addition to what's around it and what's being built above it. Uh which is going to be probably several hundred or a thousand cars. And that's all on one lane in and one lane out. But it is what it is. But I did want to thank you for making some of those adjustments. Again, my probably the bigger concern is the ADA if there's going to be something designated for them. But I thank you for taking care of some stuff.

And I believe any type of um handicap accessible parking would be something that would be taken care of through site review u with staff and so that would be something we they could address and staff can note that. Okay, great. Commissioner May. Thank you. Mhm.

So, first of all, thank you. Um, we went from for rent to fe simple. So, now it's u now we are able to look at it and kind of vote on it. So, um I appreciate that that was was revised and done. Now, the conceptual plan um that we're looking at is the same date as the one that we had looked at prior. So, it's July 18th, 2025. So the question that I have is still on that trash enclosure because the trash enclosure it's still or trash location is still on here. So based on a fee simple or a for sale product, you know, we have I guess dump dump trucks that come in at each individual or is that the idea of just having a central location uh for the trash for this particular project? So my question is is that still planned? Is it going to be different? I mean that's

I can't. So on that that's the one question I have on Yeah. Per our code um with multifamily condos, town homes, uh it it's trash enclosures are um required. If it becomes fee simple, they are exempt of using a a a trash enclosure. Um, but it doesn't mean that they don't have to use a trash enclosure because of this location. This would probably be best of the turnaround and then space of putting the trash bins. Uh, so this is a conversation with uh staff and the applicant uh and trash enclosure would would work best for this site for this smaller site.

For the smaller site, but if they if they wanted to use trash bins, they they are able to use trash bins because it is a fee simple project. Okay. So, that's where the confusion was. I wasn't sure if that was a mistake that was put in there or that was just a nice with that turnaround and then also with the uh the the storage of trash bins, um the trash enclosure makes most sense.

So, that makes sense. Okay, perfect. Um so, on the question that he brought up that John that brought up in regards to the bedrooms, two or three bedrooms, you're still not deciding that's going to affect the number of parking spaces. So, because it states here that we have two spaces for every two bedrooms and then we have two and a half spaces for three bedrooms. So, did we max out based on the three just in case cuz now I'm just kind of counting and it looks like 20 for one car garage, you know, for TW, you know, there's a car in each garage so that's 20 and then a car in each driveway that's another 20 and then we have 10 guests barking so we have a total of 50.

50 and that meets the two and a half for the three bedrooms. So, that's the max. So they have uh the the required parking spaces for three bedrooms. Okay. So max is 50 spaces. Perfect. Okay. So that answers that question.

And and then again the question about the ADA that will come up in site plan. So that you guys all answered that. Now here I see the pathway and I think it's great. I I know you want to bring in the nature and walkability kind of nice amenity for the the 20 unit condos. Why is the sidewalk or the walkway? I guess it's a mulch walkway. Mulch walk. Yeah. Why is it just going to this community deck and not around? It can go around.

So you'll just looking at different options. Um, honestly, um, we were under the pressure of time and, um, my my engineers, u, that was an item that we needed to address and this is what they came up with, but it makes sense to go all the way around. Yeah, I think there would be a nice added touch to that would only enhance the value of the community. So, so this this plan here is still a work in progress. It is a conceptual site plan. So, so that was the only thing I had and of concern. Um, I mean, you're trying to minimize any of the tree destruction. I know you're trying to create more nature. Yeah, I am a tree tree person, not a hugger, but a person that appreciates

aesthetics. So, um, I appreciate that. So, with all those questions answered, I'm satisfied. So, I am good to uh go with this project. Yes. Yeah. Thank you, Commissioner Neim. Thank you, Chairman. Uh, good questions. I just want to follow up on Miss uh Commissioner May's uh question, but uh number one, since we changed a lot on this, and thank you for doing that, sir, because I remember last time you were here, you didn't understand why we kind of suggested for you to table this. Okay? I hope you understand now because we would have denied it. Okay? Uh number one, since you made changes, is this going to be a gated community?

We haven't decided. Haven't made that decision yet. Is there going to be an HOA? Yes. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Yes, there will be an HOA. No, I heard you. I don't know if you heard him, but I heard him. Uh, okay. Mr. Commissioner RMA. Uh, I'm just a little question for the staff. I don't see an egress. Is there required an egress with 40 homes or 20 homes? Fire egress in a community. You mean a secondary egress?

Yes, a secondary. That's what I'm talking about. Uh I believe when fire Oh, when they get up to 25. And I know fire looked at this conceptual and they're okay with the Okay. The fire department's fine with it cuz I see if you block off that entrance, these 20 homes got no way to get out. Mhm. None at all. And I suggested at the last meeting, I was hoping that you would adhere to my advice. Uh my other question is I like that, you know, seeing in your packet that you gave us for the applicant, what's the size square footage of your garage?

Yeah. Uh I don't know. It's a onecar garage, a standard onecar garage. I I don't recall the dimensions,

okay? Because I could tell you right now with a lot of properties that we've been annexing, a one car garage, let's see, they put an air conditioner unit in there. They put a water heater in there, but they can't put a car in there. So, that's my question. If you're going to have all that and you can't come up with the square footage, how am I as a as a commissioner make an accurate decision if I should approve this or not? All right, because where's that car going to go? It's not going to go in the garage cuz it can't fit there. It's not going to go on the on the driveway because that's only one for one car and it can't park on the street cuz I believe you said that you can't park on the streets because that would be a hazard for a lot of reasons. All right. Uh, I asked my questions. Commissioner, let him think about why I asked these questions.

I'm done. Okay. Uh, Commissioner Kramer,

thank you. Give me just a moment. Um, I really appreciate that you took the advice and and and coming back with some changes. Um to me the request complies with the letter of our zoning code and um I think we need to proceed carefully to ensure that the implementation details the ownership structure access and drainage are fully clarified before construction. But um project seems to really take into account your surroundings and I I I have the same concerns as the other commissioners about your egress, your ability to get in and out of there, but I don't see any other way of of creating anything else. So I don't see any way out of that conundrum. So, um, overall appears to be a reasonable use of the site and provided that connectivity and safety and overall environmental safeguards are safeguards are being addressed, um, I think we probably might be able to work with you on this. So, thank you.

Okay. Um, did you have something? Yes. Uh, I didn't see you. I'm sorry. Thank you, Mr. Chair. I appreciate that. to the applicant. Out of your 40, I keep saying 40, it's 20 homes, town homes, how many are going to be leased out or rentable? Do you have an idea on that?

Um I don't I I don't Okay. Um I mean uh there are two of us uh I have a partner that we're developing this together and the intention is to sell the units once they're finished. Um, but I may choose to hold some uh as an investment and rent them. Uh, so I honestly can't tell you at this point how many will be for lease and how many will be sold.

Okay. I I appreciate your honesty. I really do, sir. And that goes a long way with me. Uh, question to staff. Is there a certain percentage of homes that are allowed to be leased or that's not our jurisdiction? Well, I see it as if he owns the property, he's the owner. It's a fe simple property. If he owns it, then he choose to do as any homeowner or property owner can do is to have it for rent or Okay. So I have a little community here that's going to be HOA and right now it's going to be developer owned and developer owned can do whatever they want so they can make 100% rentals.

Okay, great. Thank you. Just want to put that out there to everybody.

And I think that was to go along with that point. I think that was one of the the clarification questions we tried to figure out last time is because that it sounded like you wanted the option to be able to do both. And so in order to do that, you had to go the fee simple route. And so uh it will even though it could potentially be up to 20 rentals, it will be 20 individual taxed parcels that the city will have separate IDs for all 20 of them and they will pay individual property taxes as a as a fee. Simple. So, uh, you know, I guess investment wise, he'd have to make that decision of, uh, here are the costs and here here's what I could make on those. Um, and I I did ask staff the question, um, prior to about the additional egress, ingress, uh, and learned about the 25 being the magic number. And I think, and I don't know what else you would do, honestly, in this situation, um, given that you don't own any of the other parcels, you know, that abut the the property. Um, I appreciate you mentioning about the walking path, um, going around the community and and finishing that. I think that would be a nice addition to the the community. Um, I do have two questions um, regarding uh uh waste and parking. With regard to waste, I see the the dumpster still there and I'm okay with that. Um, but with relation to parking and in relation to waste cans, if each one of these places got an individual can, um, I'm wondering about the overall aesthetic and the and the ser the serviceability of the property given the one ingress egress and and the turnaround. Um, how amunable would you be to uh to a condition being that the only waste um and recycling um service you that for

this community through the conditional use permit was through the dumpster area and not individual for each unit. Um it sounds reasonable. Honestly, I want to do what the future residents of this community want. Yeah. Okay. Um and I I don't know. I haven't at this point I haven't done enough market research to determine um what future residents will want. Okay.

Um if they want um a garbage can and a recycling can for their unit, I have no problem uh giving that to them. Um if they want a place for dumpsters uh uh for a dumpster, we can do that, too. Yeah.

Um I'm really open uh to that. But my position is I want to do what the future residents want and I don't know yet what they want. Well, and I think and while I'm thinking about that is it kind of goes to to uh my fellow commissioner here to the to my left about the space in the garage and and kind of space for those those receptacles. Even the smallest of them in the city will be a person would be hardressed in a onecar garage to get those and a car and a water heater and an AC handler and so forth in that space and park. Um, so you know, I'm just trying to think about aesthetic of the neighborhood and and and and serviceability of the neighborhood so that these cans aren't just all over the place. Um, and that kind of goes into my next point about parking on street and having some concerns about um serviceability for public works through whether it's waste management or even uh police and fire. if there were if there is parking on both sides of that narrow street around those 20 units. Um how that could really impact the the serviceability and response of our staff and our services. Um I see you do have 10 guest parking spots. Um and each spot would have a driveway. You know, I'm kind of looking at this as some of our other communities that exist in in Claremont that have like alleyways where they don't allow parking in the alleyways, but allowed it on a curbed and guttered street, per se, because it's two separate entities. We don't necessarily have that alleyway here. Um, thoughts on on um uh parking and and and on street parking in the area.

Um it isn't our intention to have on street parking um

in that in that general area. So either you have to be in a spot either in the in the driveway or Okay. So I I I think you know that would go a long way to quell any concerns with regard to and maybe appeasing um um the ultimate decision makers here which is going to be the council on deciding whether or not to approve this to to be able to say, "Hey, we're going to add that walking trail around and we're also going to not allow that parking to kind of create that serviceability." If you're amunable and and not like, "Hey, hey, uh, Commissioner Bane, this is terrible idea." Uh, if if if a fellow commissioner would be willing, I think uh I I'd support making a recommendation to the council to only have the dumpster area for now and knowing that this is going to have to go before the council for for two additional readings. Uh and so you would have some time in between those periods to where you could work with your team, work with your marketing, work with your research to figure out is that going to work for you or not and and make that case I guess at to the council on whether or not to heed that recommendation that we made.

Okay. If that that's Commissioner Bane, just one correction. There's just one reading to the council. It's a resolution. So Oh, it is a resolution. That's right. So it's not an ordinance. Is this do we know when this will go on the agenda? The second is the 27th 20 28th. 28th. Okay. Would that still give you enough time? So is in my mind I was thinking be a first reading on the 14th and second reading on the 28th. So the 28th it would appear on the agenda as a one-time reading. Uh thank you for catching that being a resolution. Would that give you enough time to to look into that and and make that conversation with the council? Yes, sir. Okay. Okay. That's all I have. Is there anything else from my fellow commissioners? Yes. To staff, what is the width of the um to staff,

Mr. Gonzalez? What is the width of the road? I would refer to the engineer,

Julian Quintana with Highland Engineering, uh 1172 South Grand Highway. Um the width of a road is 24 foot. Okay. And the parking spaces are 10 by 20 standard uh city code. Okay. Great. Thank you. Very easy question, very easy answer. Thank you. All right. Anything else from the commissioners? Yes. So bear with me because I I might have missed a little something here. So will there be on street parking at all other than those parking spots? Just the parking spots. But you I mean I can't park my in the street parallel park along in front of my house. Right. That's right.

Wonderful. So there's no street parking right. Is that what you're asking? Correct. Okay.

I will also and I will make a suggestion based on my past experience in your HOA. robustly put up the signs and enforce it from day one and just tow the heck out of people that park in your street because I the res the neighborhood I live in people park wherever they want however they want and we're gated community so they they they do whatever they want and I can't enforce it but in another community right next to us they they enforce that parking I mean even the neighbors will tell you don't park in the street don't park in the street don't park in the street your car will be towed immediately and that neighborhood looks so much better than mine and I'm so envious. So please just take that as a recommendation follow those letter th those rules to the letter and and really enforce those and keep that neighborhood looking good if this passes. Thank you

May and then commissioner. So the question um is do we want to add a condition to make sure that the HOA doesn't you know because we don't know if that's going to be enforced or not. We can we can make the recommendations of of one or both of no on street parking. No on street parking and the waste receptacles being the the centralized versus the individual um and make those in our recommendation if if whoever makes the motion includes those. Absolutely. So would that be something that you would be comfortable with? It's just that because of the 24.

Um I certainly understand the logic of what you're saying. So, I mean, I I like flexibility, but um if that's what's required to move this forward, then so be it. Yeah. Now, with the concern of the the the width of the of the road, it would be very hard to move around. Yeah. Street parking and and you know, it just depends on an HOA if they enforce it or not. So, I would like to have that condition added. Commissioner Toona, did you say the driveways were 10 by 20? Hey, the parking parking spot. Yeah, the parking spot. So, what's the size of the driveway? Uh, it's a 24 foot wide driveway. Yeah, the driveway.

The driveway in front of the house in front of the garage. Sorry. The driveway. Yeah, that it would have to it would have to be uh at least a 10 x 20. Okay. Thank you. Okay. So I will then entertain a motion from one of my commissioners. Before we entertain, could I ask staff one question because I'm just has there a percentage of Airbnb per community? I already asked to rent this. I don't believe so. No, there's nothing in our code.

No. Okay. So it's the code. I'm trying to find something so I could approve this. Thank you. You're talking about how you have to register your apartment for an Airbnb. I don't know. Correct. Is there a limit on it? I know there was one for I was looking at one in Groveland has one, but I would I'm not sure if City of Claremont, but that would be something a Google search. Well, I know that there's several communities around our attorney now.

Yeah, the city of Claremont does not have that, correct me if I'm wrong, in our code. However, the condo association, because this will be a condo association, can put that in their rules and regulations, they can stipulate whether or not they would allow uh one week, one month, 6 month minimum, one day minimum, whatever. Uh and also then how many a particular owner could own. Uh they all of that could go into whatever condo docks they want to put together for that. I'm Yeah, I'm just trying to explain to everybody that, you know, when you own a house, you take pride in it. When you rent a house, it's a 5050% that they'll take pride and 50% they'll just do what they want. Yeah, that's all I'm trying to say. And that's from experience.

So, go ahead. I'm sorry, Mr. Chair. I'll entertain a motion. Can you clarify the part about the dumpster so that if I do entertain a motion or before uh it sounds like the if if if I heard Commissioner May correctly, she would like uh she would like a a motion to include no on street parking and what I brought up was this the no on street parking and also to uh only have waste um um removal be through the centralized dumpster and not individual unit. um cans. Okay.

So, whoever makes the motion can include one or both of those or or neither one. Give me a second and I'll try to try to work with you on this. So, I will make a motion to recommend approval of resolution number 20225-026R [Music] with the additional language including uh no on street parking and language to include that we only have waste removal through the central dumpster and not through trash cans. I second.

Okay. Moved by Commissioner Kramer, seconded by Commissioner May. Any final discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor say I. I. I. All oppose.

All opposed. Chair votes I as well. Motion carries. 5-0. This will go before the city council. Please work with staff. And then uh since it is a resolution, it'll just have the one reading. All right. We will now move on to new business. and we will move to um items two and three. So, what we'll do here, so make sure everyone is aware, they're two separate ordinances, but they both relate to the same um parcel. So, we will have staff present them together, but and we'll discuss them and have citizen comment on them together, but we as a commission will have to take two separate votes because they are two separate ordinances. So item two, ordinance 2025-034, proactive automcale comprehensive plan amendment. And item number three, ordinance 2025-035, proactive auto reszoning. And uh, Miss Day,

good evening, planning and zoning commissioners and guests. Justine Day with development services. These are staff initiated requests. City Council approved annexing the site on September 9th, 2025 via a utility agreement with the understanding that a small-scale comprehensive plan amendment and reszoning would be done at a later date. The city as the applicant is now moving forward to complete the process to designate the property with the applicable future land use and zoning designations. The property is located at 13550 Granville Avenue, east of Granville Avenue and south of State Road 50 and is approximately 2 acres. The property is currently improved and used as an auto repair shop. So, if we take a look at the map, um we have the site here um outlined in yellow uh south of State Road 50 east of Granville Avenue. The utility agreement was based upon the facility upgrading their fire protection system and needing the city's water service. The current zoning of the property in Lake County is heavy industrial with a regional office future land use. Just to show you again, property is outlined in yellow. You can see the Lake County future land use map with the regional office. The property is currently used as an auto repair facility. The compatible zoning with the city would be industrial M1 with a future land use of industrial as well. If you take a look back at the same image, property is again outlined in yellow on the bottom. Industrial is to the north as well as to the south with our future land use map.

the majority of the surrounding future land uses in the area consist of industrial. Um, so again, if you look at the Lake County zoning on the top, a lot of the uses are already heavy industrial and then with the proposed zoning, they would be switching over to that um industrial district within the city. And again, you would see that on the north and the south sides. The change in the future land use to the industrial designation along with the zoning change to M1 industrial does not propose a conflict to the existing uses and land uses in the area. The changes appear to be similar to existing uses within the area. The property owner is aware that any future improvements or expansions would result in the site meeting the city's land development code. Staff recommends approval of the smallcale comprehensive plan amendment resolution number 2025-034R and the reasonzoning ordinance number 2025-035. This concludes staff's presentation.

Thank you. Is the applicant present? Is there one here for the applicant? Oh, that's right. This is staff. So, okay. You already spoke.

All right, then. And at that point, we will uh open it up to the public. Is there anyone here in the public who would like to speak on item number two, ordinance 2025-034 or item number three, ordinance number 2025-035 dealing with proactive auto, the smallcale comprehensive plan amendment and the reasonzoning? Again, anyone here to speak on items number two or three on the agenda? Seeing no one, we'll bring it back to the commission and we'll start with Commissioner Teddona. I have no questions, Mr. Chair. Thank you, Commissioner May.

This is just a curious question um in regards to the upgrading of the fire protection system. Is it because they have no uh fire protection or are they expanding their property and that's the need of the uh fire protection? I'm going to defer to John. Perfect. Um to answer your question, they're upgrading the the fire protection system. My understanding is to get a better system in there and get a better rate. Um, they know that if they do any expansions, they have to meet our code, but right now it's all interior running the the water line. It's more pressure and volume because currently they are on a well right now. So there's just no way they can provide that water volume for the fire protection system.

So how much So there's enough water? I'm assuming it's just they're just upgrading their system. So they don't need any more. I'm just it's the water thing. So is the conception higher because of that or well that you just got to keep in mind they need the pressure and the volume but it's fire. It's not like they use it all the time. It's only in emergencies and there is a large line that runs down through there back to synergy irrigation. So again they came to the city looking to upgrade their fire suppression system and they needed the the pressure and the volume in order to do that. Perfect. Thank you very much. That's all. That's my question.

Thank you, Commissioner Neim. No questions. Commissioner Kramer, I have just a couple of things for clarity. Um, when I look at the agenda item, this is listed as ordinance number 2025-034. But then when I read down um in your comments, it's referred to as comprehensive plan amendment resolution number 2025- 037R. So I need some clarity. Are we doing 2020 2025037R or as a resolution or an ordinance 2025-034?

Good, good, good catch. Um these are ordinances. So it would be ordinance number 2025-034. No. R no resolution. Okay. So, it is an ordinance, not a resolution. We'll make that correction.

Um and then another just a couple tweaky things, but um all references should be consist consistently state ordinance 2025034 and they don't. Um, and then it's described as property located east of Granville Avenue and South Lake Road 50. And it should match property located on Granville Avenue, South Lake, south of Lake State Road 50. Did I make myself clear? property located east, the way you described it is property located east of Granville Avenue and south of State Road 50. And I believe it should be property located on Granville Avenue south of State Road 50. It's a technicality, but you haven't removed the and

but is that on the actual ordinance itself or on the staff report? Page 37. That's a staff report. Staff report. Yeah. So, and then I do have just a couple of questions. Um,

could this So, John, could this allow heavier industrial activities in the future? Um, or will everything remain the same? I'm just saying once we make some changes, they sell the property, will this open the door for other things? Um, again, uh, it's heavy industrial now in Lake County, which is more intense than the city's industrial. We don't have a heavy or light industrial in the city. So, to answer your question, I would say if anything, it it would not allow the depth and intensity that's currently allowed in the in the county. Um, and it would match the adjoining properties with the industrial zoning.

Okay. Well, to me it it appears that um seems sound and and basically it's ensuring internal ordinance, you know, that your things are consistent and so on. So, um and matches the nearby industrial use. So, um I appreciate your attention to some of those details. Thank you. Thank you. And I have no questions or comments. If there are no others, then I would entertain a motion first for uh item number two. I'll make a motion to approve ordinance 20225-034 on the amendment. Is there a second? I second.

Okay. Moved by Commissioner Neimik, seconded by Commissioner May. Any final discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor say I. I. I. All opposed. Chair votes I as well. Ordinance is approved. 5-0. And now we'll move to item number three. I'll entertain a motion. I'll make a motion to approve ordinance number 2025-035. I'll second it. Moved by Commissioner Kramer. Uh seconded by M Commissioner Neim. Any final discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor say I. I. I.

Any opposed? Chair votes I as well. Motion carries 50. So, this will now move to the city council with recommendations for approval. We are now on to item number four, resolution 2025-037R 711, wellness way conditional use permit, Mr. Cruz.

Thank you, uh, Mr. Bane. Uh, good evening again, John Cruz, Development Services. Uh the applicant V3 Capital Group is requesting a conditional use permit, excuse me, to allow for a convenience store and gas station as a primary use in an ancillary car wash use. A subject parcel approximately 6 and 12 acres is located at the southeast corner of Wellness Way and Scoffield Road intersection. Um on your display, this is US 27 Wellness Way. It's approximately a little over a half a mile from the intersection wellness way to from 27 to the site which is uh indicated by the yellow star. And here's Scoffield Road and then the continuence of Wellness Way Out. And again on the display is just a zoomed in area of the site. And here is the aerial photography of the site. The property is governed under the Wellness Ridge PUD Ordinance 2019-06. The request would encompass the entirety of the subject parcel with a future intent to split off the proposed convenience store, gas station, and car wash during final site plan approval. And on the display is the conceptual site plan again for orientation. Here's Wellness Way um Scoffield. This is north uh uh future um traffic signal here and one over here at Blissful Way and this is the site and the area we're focusing on is the western portion of

the site. The proposed use will be located again on the western portion uh due to the potential of a lot split. The applicant is also requesting a waiver to allow for a zero foot internal landscape buffer instead of the shared 10- foot wide minimum along the proposed internal lot line as required per ordinance 2019-06 section 7. The proposed site is within the Wellness Way neighborhood center land use and that is designated for C1 light commercial uses that complement the adjacent residential uses. Convenience stores and gas stations are a conditional use under the C1 light commercial use. Section 125 313. Car washes are not permitted as a conditional use under the C1 light commercial district and are specifically prohibited by ordinance 2019 section 5 item two. And again this is the PUD document and it talks about if Wayne can zoom in. Thank you Wayne. Talks about the prohibited uses and again car washes but this is under the employment district. And then here's the wording for the neighborhood district that says um you know C1 light commercial uses that complement the adjacent residential uses. The uses permitted are the C1 light commercial uses. A review of the current convenience store and gas station locations within the city indicates that a majority of them are located along an arterial roadway such as US 27 or State Road 50 and they are located within the C2 general commercial zoning. only one is located on a con collector road at Hancock Road and Highland Ranch Boulevard. This was an exception that Council approved due to an existing entitlement granted under Lake County. In addition, a review of car wash

locations indicates that they're also located arterial roadways such as US 27 or State Road 50. All these uses are auto dependent or more desirable along roadways with higher level of service. The neighborhood center is more suited for walkability from the nearby residents that provide a variety of services that are less intense and dependent on vehicles. The wellness way area plan was designed as a master plan community of approximately 15,000 acres with a focus on healthy communities, economic opportunities, and improved quality of life for its residents and visitors. It was designed with specific uses at specific locations with an intended outcome that is more than another suburbanized area that is prevalent in central Florida. One of the goal is to provide high wage jobs while emphasizing health and wellness. The city adopted wellness way design standards in 2022 which is a set of form-based codes. While the original PUD was adopted prior to these standards, the applicant's request for a conditional use permit can be subject to these standards. The proposed project does not meet several of the design standards. Wayne, if you can zoom in here. One such standard is 2.3.2 that requires buildings on corner parcels be located up to and address the corner. And again, this is Scoffield Road. Up here is Wellness Way and the location of the buildings further back along with the Canopy Island up front. Um, another standard is table 2.2.2 that doesn't permit these uses services automotive in the neighborhood district. The proposed convenience store gas station car wash would be more appropriate in the multi-use district that fronts US 27. When evaluating a request for a conditional use permit, the land development code requires specific

development standards that are required to be met. Staff has reviewed the application as submitted in accordance with the development criteria and finds the proposed use is in conflict with peed ordinance number 2019-06. The land development regulations for C1 light commercial and the wellness way design standards. The proposed use is not considered desirable at this particular location since there are several standards within the wellness way design standards and the city's comprehensive plan from the neighborhood district that are in conflict. In addition, the character and type of development at this location is autodependent and does not reinforce the neighborhood district's walkability for uses with the adjoining residential neighborhood. the right in and right out on Scoffield w with comments from Lake County not allowing access point from Wellness Way. And let me just point this out. Wayne, if you can zoom out a little bit. Uh this is Scoffield Road, right in, right out only. And this proposed access point has not been um has has not been allowed by uh Lake County. Um and uh it causes concern over ingress and egress from the site. And my understanding on that is because there is a lighted there will be a lighted signal here and access will be along blissful way into the site with a reverse frontage road. Staff recommends denial of the conditional use permit resolution number 2025-037R. That concludes staff's presentation. Thank you, Mr. Cruz. Is the applicant present? Yeah. If you would please come uh forward to the podium and state your name and address for the record and then present uh whatever materials you'd like for us to consider. Thank you.

Thank you. Uh Trey Vic U V3 Capital uh 3349 Holiday Avenue, Papa, Florida 32703. Um thank you John for the comments. I appreciate it. Um, we have a a few slides I'll go through, but just in general, um, I I I know I've met with staff. I've met with the mayor. I've met with several commissioners. I haven't had a chance to speak with y'all yet. Um, this this project is complex because the Wellness Way PD is complex in general. So, there's this legacy PD plus a new PD. Um, and so, so the design standards that John's talking about is fully accurate, but it's it's design standards implemented after RPD, uh, is where it gets a little complicated. I think the first thing I'd say is gas stations inherently supply fuel to vehicles. So, I won't stand up here and tell you that gas stations aren't auto oriented. U, but I will say as a person that lives in a neighborhood, having access to fuel uh, is is a positive. Uh, most people have cars in their garage. Not all uh, are are fuel dependent. whether it's lawnmowers, vehicles, whatever that is for today, what it is in 20 years, we'll see. Uh, but I just think that's important. And in a neighborhood, um, this site is on a hard lighted corner, which is pushing it up towards the commercial. We have commercial development on every corner of that project. Um, and some things we want to address to make this welldesigned. Um, and protecting the noise and and the things that commercial incompatibility uh that are looking in your codes. Um we've we've addressed that we would enhance landscape buffers uh all along the rear um uh residential adjoinment. Um we also would enhance uh hardscape buffers um and some uh additional landscape on the the actual corner. Uh we have some pictures I can show you um of that.

Yep. Okay. So, this um was the the PD approved documents from when they did Wellness Ridge. Um and so this is like the broader map and then obviously it it zooms in here. Um these dots are actually I believe already constructed signage and then this red dot uh is actually our site. Um, and so there had been a uh a plan approved and some signage I'll show you greater detail uh with hardscape signage here. And what we have proposed on the landscaping side is to beef up and make this a robust uh landscaping buffer here as well as all along uh the road here. Um, again, the intention is to try to merge current, uh, PD standards with what we're allowed in our PD, uh, to try to get to a hybrid that covers the intentions of of creating, uh, form based code and some of those other things in your modern PD that aren't in the one that this site sits in. Um, and then this would be uh just a little better visual picture of signage that already exists along Wellness. Um, so these are at Wellness Ridge. This is a a picture we took because feel like it's a good example of the type of of heavy landscaping we would want to do uh to make that a beautified corner. Um and also again just to create some presence for that wellness white area. Um I think the one other thing uh I would say too is you know this is a a process I think um while fuel was was fuel is not disallowed. Fuel is a conditional use. There's a process for the conditional use process. I mean if it was completely incompatible then I I would think it'd be more in a disallowed use category. Um

and so we're just trying to follow the process. We respect uh everyone's thoughts on the site and want to do it the right way. Um but we are trying to follow the process to do that. And then the comment on the car wash being disallowed, that's as a primary use. Um this car wash is is an ancillary use car wash. It's what you would see at a modern 7-Eleven with a single tunnel. Um it's not what you'd think when you think of Tidal Wave or Waters or some of these large car washes with large tunnels and 30 vacuums making a lot of noise and and effort and and things like that. So, I just want to be clear that that is something that uh is is a different type of car wash that's part of our site plan. Um I think the last few things I know that it was mentioned on the location of other gas stations. Sorry, this is easier done on PowerPoint here. Um this is just a map to kind of give us an idea of where other gas is to serve this market. So, uh, and frankly, several of these aren't on the map because we couldn't zoom it out far enough. But this is our site here. Uh, this is the completed wellness way, Scoffield, and then carrying Hancock up. So, the closest gas station to this site is 2 and a half miles up. It it is off 27. I think John's point is well taken. Uh, that many of the gas stations are on these arterials. This has created a a primary arterial, not arterial, but a a primary road that's going to be well trafficked. And I think as as a service level to the residents that are here, having a high quality, well-built uh well-maintained national branded fuel station convenience store is just that, it's convenience. Um and and again, we want to work with with this the staff and and commission and everybody to do it the best way and what we can do to improve upon uh the standards, but but we we do want to follow the process to to work on getting this use there. Um, I think you know the

the last thing I'll bring up is the county. Uh, obviously the county governs uh the access points to Wellness Way. John mentioned that and uh and we know we have to work with the county. Um, he mentioned that the county won't approve that access point. However, we haven't made a formal request to the county to do that yet. uh they were strongly against it in our preapp but we have definitely been working with them uh through county transportation uh through commissioners there um and and we have a lot of design ideas on how we can uh bridge the gap there. So while that's a very site planoriented issue uh I just bring it up because he mentioned it um and and it's going to be whether that gets approved or not the conditional use is relevant to the use. It's not relevant to its access. Um, and so I think for quality national retail, you really need the right in right out one way or another. I think it actually draws traffic away from the lighted intersection where the residential units have ingress egress. So I think at the end of the day, we'll we'll be able to have a good conversation about design and and implementation and and uh find the gives and takes that make this work. But that's uh just in general the overview. I don't want to go through the technicalities you already did on on the parking. We're 4 to one parked. um you know all the all the code requirements are met there. So I'll I'll be quiet and answer questions.

Thank you. If you would just stick around as uh after um public comment and then uh we'll get back to the commissioners here and if we have any questions, we'll call you back up. This would be the portion for anyone here in the public who would like to speak on item number four, resolution 2025-037R, the 7-Eleven Wellness Way conditional use permit. Please state your name and address and please limit your comments to this item and under three minutes if possible. Thank you.

All right. Good evening everybody. Uh Luang Guzmo. I'm from 2659 Runner Circle. So um first of all I just wanted to first say that I appreciate all the commissioners saying good things about our city. Uh we highlighted the wellness, the health, uh the looks and how it is a family oriented city. I've been a Claremont resident for about five years, me and my wife. This was a town that I chose to raise my family. I have a eight-month old uh daughter. I bought this house after I came back from a overseas deployment. Uh it was I'm sorry. I'm very passionate against this this development. I've been overseas. I work my I work a lot to to to get this this home and be able to buy this house. Um, I've been exposed to burn pits. I've been exposed to a lot of fumes. I don't want to have that in my backyard. I don't want to have my daughter be raised close to this kind of business. And I apologize, but I don't want your convenience. I don't want to sacrifice my convenience by having my kids being raised by fumes, uh, waste in our in our lands. And I'm right at the corner. So, this is going to be where my daughter's room is going to be looking at a car wash, a 24/7 business that runs non-stop with noise and fumes and things that are going to be detrimental to our health. So, that's pretty much what I got to say. Uh, I really hope that you guys take that in consideration for not for the convenience, but the people that are living in that community and living right behind where that business is going to be operating. So, thank you very much,

Mr. Yeah. Thank would you entertain a question from one of our commissioners? Yes, sir. Okay, go ahead. Uh, first of all, thank you for your service. Uh, second of all, uh, two questions. Yes, sir. And it bases my decision. Okay. Number one, do you own a one-story floor or a twotory floor? Negative. I want a twotory floor. My back bedroom is lit literally going to be overlooking the development. Is there a wall behind your house and this property? Negative. There is a vinyl flimsy vinyl uh divider between the property and uh the actual development like the sixoot fencing vinyl fencing

and that's you put that in. It is not the standard fencing that you see throughout Wes Way. The ones that we have is kind of like the the personal fencing the the beige like as somebody get in their backyard. Correct. Okay. And you stated that you live right in front of or behind along that border. Can you can you point it out on that map where you live? So, I'm trying to figure this out. If you see this this big this big line right here, right?

This is where my house is. Uh couple hundred feet from where the car wash is going to be located and where this whole development is going to be located. in my house along with a couple of my neighbors that I spoke with and unfortunately they couldn't be here are extremely against it. Uh this is where I'm going to be at. Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I appreciate that. Yes. Thank you for your time, everybody. Thank you. Anyone else? Please come forward. Feel free to to start a line. That way we can get through everyone and make sure uh everyone is heard.

Hi, Michael Curtis. Uh 2725 Runner Circle. Um I'm actually neighbors with Luan. We just met today actually for the first time unfortunately. Um so just been there for um this is going to be my second year now. We're a little further down the road. But um I mean what he said was pretty much perfect. Just to piggyback on top of that. Uh noise is going to be a major issue for us having a 24-hour um business right there. I mean you're going to have car stereoss and people talking and all kinds of things going on. And um just we you know we moved there for a wellness community. People are going to be walking. people are going to be biking. Uh the less traffic the better. They're putting in a new pass through from the 429 to the 227 which hopefully is going to divert a lot of that traffic over there and keep less traffic. And then also I mean 27's great gas station up there towards the front. Perfect. But uh as far as in our neighborhood I you know I'm as far against it as I could possibly be.

So can I ask Thank you very much. Can I ask a question? Yeah. Um, if it was you developing it, what would you like to see there? Um, local shops, local businesses, things that you could walk to. Uh, coffee shops, um, you know, yoga, pilates for the wives. Um, you know, I know my wife would love that. So, uh, just things like that, things that are wellness oriented and, um, things that have a closing time at, you know, seven, eight, nine, something like that that's not open 24 hours. Yep. Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate your time. Um, hi. Yes.

Hi. My name is Sean Lumbarski. I'm 2707 Runner Circle. Um, I have some notes on my phone, so I may be looking down. Absolutely. Um, I own a two-story home as well. I have two little boys. Um, sorry. Not happy obviously with this potentially being in our backyard.

Calm down. Sorry. My two main points are the entrances and exits. One of the entrances is planned to actually lead into our development into Blissville Street, which I've been against from the minute I saw the diagram. Um, now it being a potential that a 7-Eleven is going to lead directly into our neighborhood who people are going to now come out and go on jumping jack and try and go left on a showfield and avoid all the other traffic. Um, I believe that's going to be extremely detrimental to our kids. I can't walk my dog in the neighborhood. We walk there to go to school because we walk the streets to go to the um the neighborhood playground where the bus picks up. I just think all around it's not going to support the wellness that was um portrayed to us when we purchased. Um the other one is Chafield. I currently come home from the opposite direction on Chafield turning right into Jumping Jack, which is currently not safe. I've got people going 50 behind me when I'm trying to slow to a a turning speed and and there's a car, which I know is off topic, but that parks near that entrance. So, you're trying to make a turn onto Jumping Jack off of Showfield,

first house,

and there's a car and then there's people coming this way and I work nights. So, I'm coming home at the opposite hour when everyone's trying to leave. So, it makes it very difficult. And now you're going to have people coming from the gas station into our development to come out the other way of jumping jack. So all around, I just don't see that it's feasible. And then something else that you guys did mention um is just that I have driven all around Claremont. I've only lived here for three years. My aunt has lived here for like 25 years, which is why we moved here. Um and there are no gas stations that I can feasibly locate that back up to a development. There's a distances upon distances, hundreds of feet, even probably football fields before I've seen a gas station back up to a house. You're talking our fence. It is a vinyl fence that blew down with the hurricane and you want to put a 7-Eleven. And that's all I have. Thank you.

Thank you.

Joe Famasi 2693 jump jack way Wellness Way. So, when I saw this plan, I appreciate what they were trying to do, but the biggest thing that bothers me is when you make the right-hand turn on Scullfield, uh I from the barriers that I seen, it's just uh two solid lines. So, what's going to prevent people from trying to make a lefthand turn into that parking lot and especially being close to the uh intersection of uh Scoffield and Wellness Way Boulevard, especially when they're getting ready to open the connectors road. Oh, it wasn't reset. You're fine. Go ahead. All right.

Don't make me call a lawyer. All right. So, uh, coming up the connector road, uh, from, uh, Hartwood Marsh, that's going to open up a lot of traffic. So, this is about to get very busy. And with the county denying them or they have not applied from turning off of Wellness Way to get in there, that's only going to leave Blissful and Scull Road. And Blissville is in this in the heart of my neighborhood. So, I have a serious problem that they've only got two ways to go. If they're going back out to 27, they have to turn back out to Scofville Road. They're uh they are working at a fast pace to open up uh 27 to the 429. The construction is uh full speed ahead, which will put more traffic. The connector road's going to open up. So, I don't understand uh why they would not applied for that or tried to get the county to give them turnouts on the wellness way. And because using the neighborhood access, uh, we have people already that come from phase 2 over to phase one where I live, they use Blissville to go out jumping jack way to avoid the intersection. So, you're going to put more cars into our neighborhood because these folks are going to try to find quicker, faster ways to get out of that development. And we are a major commute road, so I get it. Yes, they will sell lots of gas, but how much traffic is going to where are they going to go after they get their gas? How are they going to get back on their routes of travel? So, I hope you really consider the access on Scoffield Road. It's not very plausible for them turning in and out and exiting. And what about the service trucks? How long are there service trucks when they come in there? What's that? Yeah, the semis that come to restock them

or delivery trucks.

They're going to have a heck of a time getting in there and they're going to take up parking spaces and then which way are they going to exit? They're going to come out blissful, right? So, because unless they try to go Scoffield, I don't know how wide that turn is for them to make those turns around there to get out to exit to get back on 27, but the only way they could get into this situation is if they come off a blissful because they're going to have to use a traffic light. So, something to consider. Uh, thank you for your time and uh, I appreciate city staff working hard on this and making sure that it meets the comps of the wellness way, walkable, bikable, which is supposed to be the theme of this. So, uh, thank you again, city staff, for doing your hard work. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. Is there anyone else who would like to speak? We we typically only have folks speak Yeah. speak once and and come up, but if there's something that uh does come up, we can bring you back up if need be. Is there anyone else who would like to speak on this issue, I don't want to close anyone out here.

Okay. I will close public comment at this time for this item um and bring it back to the commission. And we will start with uh Commissioner Teddona.

I want to thank you. you you brought up an something that nobody really ever brings up and that's uh human nature. I haven't seen any plan put in front of me that explores human nature. And when you start talking about people making up their own rules of how to get around, it's amazing. So, you know, there's I've been through well this way. It's one lane in, it's one lane out for the most part. And if you don't have some sort of divider, you're absolutely right. There is nothing that's going to stop me from making an illegal or a left-hand turn where I don't belong. So, um, one of the first things I wondered, two things I wondered, first was, uh, why isn't this either on 27, um, actually three things. I had a horrible dream of the Chicago fire. If something happens here, you're wiped out because nobody is coming to you. Okay, which means my third point was what a great place to put a fire department or maybe you know a police substation that could serve the community. Also to your point in terms of traffic, we already know that there's going to be somewhere between 12 and 15,000 homes in that whole entire area, which also means at two two cars per home, that's up to 30,000 vehicles in your area. So if 5% of your entire neighborhood decided to go to 711, that's 1,500 cars converging on that area maybe during an 8 hour period, a 10-hour period. There's no way that can accommodate that kind of traffic. So I'll close by saying this. I I support staff's recommendations and I have no further questions.

Thank you. Did you actually have any question that you wanted uh um addressed? Okay. I just want to make sure. Okay. Commissioner May,

thank you. Uh first off, I want to thank the staff. You guys have done your homework. Very well done. I was very impressed uh going through the PUD comprehensive plan ordinance. I mean, I was do my homework as well and you guys um nailed it on this one. uh in regards to um the reasons behind your denial. Um and I agree. Um and the funny thing is that when John, you put up a map that showed I think you did you put up a map of the aerial of the names of the roads. There we go. I love it. Wellness way med uh meditation, namasta, rest that to me means wellness, health. Just like the gentleman brought up, I drive this road every day in the mornings because I take my son to school in Windermir. I drive it every morning and I drive it every afternoon. And so I see that corner and I'm always like, what's going to happen there? For me, it just doesn't make sense at all. Um, as a for that to be that I think a convenience store, a something wellness related. I mean, I think that's what was sold to to these poor folks. Um, I agree in regards to safety, uh, health, um, having that in my in my backyard. I would not want that in my backyard. Um, car centric, I mean, neighborhood district. I mean, you named it here. It says more suitable for walkability from the nearby residents that provide a

variety of services like a mini grocery store, like a mom and pop restaurant, small boutiques. That's what that's what they want. So for me to see a gas station as my first look when I'm driving into Wellness Way and I see a gas station, it's just doesn't sit right for me. And I want to go back to the general criteria that our attorney always tells us to look at when we make decisions. And that applies, and I want to make sure it's on record. It's under section 101212 and this is under C, general criteria for granting permits upon review and formal action on an application for a conditional use permit. The planning and zot commission may recommend granting and the city council may grant by resolution a conditional use permit if it is found from the evidence presented at the public hearing that number one the granting of the conditional use permit will not adversely affect the officially adopted comprehensive plan of the city and I believe the staff has found that it does uh conflict. Number two, such use will not be detrimental to the health, safety or general welfare of persons residing or working in the city. We're listening to the community and it's a health and also a safety issue. I mean, I can't see cars going in and out of a neighborhood. I mean, we got one, two, three, four car I mean, these this poor person living on this corner off of Blissville. They're going to get cars continuously going down this road. I just doesn't make sense. The proposal the proposal used will comply with the regulations and conditions specified in the code. And number four, the proposed use may be considered desirable at the particular location and I don't agree that it's desirable. And so those are the criterias of the way I have to make my decision. So based

on those and because of the issue with this entrance, I have to agree with the staff and deny. Thank you, Commissioner Neim. Yes. Uh, thank you, Mr. Chairman. Uh, I'd like to congratulate staff on doing an outstanding job on clarification. First time in a long time. All right. Uh, I just have to ask, is the HOA present? Is there anybody here representing the HOA for these homeowners? Okay. Interesting. Very interesting.

I'm sorry. The builder is still the HOA. the bill. So it's developer owned. Okay. Is the developer is who? Lenar I believe. Lenar. Correct. Is any representative here from LAR? So you have nobody here from the HOA and nobody here from from LAR. Okay. Got to have that. Okay. That's check mark number one. Thank you. Okay. Uh to the applicant, what are your hours of operation? I mean, are we going to go 247? They are typically 247. Okay. We're open to discussing that with the tenant, but I it's not been brought up at this point.

Okay. Because I'm worried about the noise level like 2:00 or 3:00 in the morning. That's some reason I'm trying to find something to approve this. Okay. Uh staff, did you advise the applicant of they're not allowed certain things that you denied before they came here?

We did have discussions with them. We had discussions with them several times. I believe early in February, it was indicated to them that this would be a very difficult um proposition at this location. And there was also along the way some of these items were pointed out to them. So, um, they do have the right to go through the process and ask and that's what they're doing and staff reviewed it according to what was stated in the staff report, but they were well aware of our position well in advance of this meeting.

Thank you, staff. So, what I'm hearing and understanding is they understand and figure they have the right to come here and take a chance if it's going to pass. Okay. Uh, the land parcel, the whole entire parcel, I'm assuming it's NC-2. All right. What is going on the east side of that? Do you own that whole parcel? NC2, sir. U, yes, we have. Perfect. Here where the star is plus. Okay, there you go. Oh, I was going to Yes, that's even better. So, yes, this this whole parcel as well as this one and this one. Okay. What is Do you have any idea what you might be putting over there or No, not on this NC2 parcel.

Yes, on the other on the east side of it. Um, we don't have any other um leases signed or any deals in particular. We've contemplated putting a, you know, like a 10,000 or so square foot retail shopping center. Um, and then probably a two drive-thru type establishments, whether it's a QSR or Starbucks or something like that. But but that's all conceptual at this point. We don't have any any identified yet.

All right. I I was just concerned if there was something else going there. 247. That answers my question. Okay. Uh could you uh just stay there for a second? You said in your opening statement that it was a hard light corner. Can you explain that to me because I'm taking it two ways. Yeah. It's uh just um maybe real estate terminology for a hard intersection is just a parcel that sits on two major uh roads and has a light. That that's all I meant by that. Hard corner like would be that corner. You would say something in the middle of NC2 would be midb block. I mean it's just it's just terminology.

I'm not a real estate. I'm a commissioner of planning and zoning. So that's why I'm asking you that question. Yeah. Just general.

Okay. Perfect. All right. Uh because I want to be totally honest with you. Obviously you heard you were here at old meeting. I'm an advocate for the roads. All right. This intersection and I want to say this in front of everybody here in front of that camera. This is going to be the most horrible intersection Claremont has ever had. It's going to be the biggest intersection. It's going to be the most confusing. There's going to be fatalities at this intersection. I can't even tell you. All right. First of all, the planning of this from the county level is the most nonproductive knowledge of the person building it. You have a single road coming in and a single road going out going from the west to eastbound. Then you have a single road from the southbound going into a four-lane road. And that's why they're building this. This I know because I know this map and I know this section very well. Okay. So this I understand. Listen, I am Look, you're a developer and I get it. You want you want to make your money as fast and go. But see, my job is to protect these residents out here. I'm not going to stand here and beat you up. You're a grown man and I respect your professionalism. All right. You know where I'm going with this. All right. Uh, another thing I really don't I find very disrespectful to the Wildness Ridge community is putting that road that goes along all those backyards. Okay. Now, I don't know if you notice. I know that area very well. Very, very well. Majority of those are twotory homes. There was a gentleman that came up. His daughter's bedroom is up there. Those lights are going to be going in those windows all the time. Okay. So, I I'm really I'm finding I'm trying ways

to find it because this would be beneficial for the area, but not in this location. I'm I'm pretty sure there's other areas along 27 you could do this. Uh I have to ask uh council a question. This is very important. I don't want to get myself jammed up here. I used to work for this community. I no longer work for them. I haven't worked for them for over a month. I was their assistant manager there of the HOA. Oh, okay. Do I have to recuse myself? No. Thank you. Okay. No further questions.

Thank you, Commissioner Kramer.

Thank you. Um, just a couple of questions to help me understand a few things. Um, I want to make sure that we had the public notice goes out because we have turnout here, but I would have thought we might have had a few more people. So, I just want to confirm that we did have the public notice go out to people to let them know about this. Good. Um, also in here, um, since it's a gas station, I know you're going to have buried tanks and things in there for that. Um, I didn't see anything and maybe I missed it, but um, anything to do with environmental impact and anything to do with a study. Is there any environmental impact that that could prove adverse to community? I don't see anything for or against it in here. Did I miss it?

John, I'll ask John. I don't see anything on environmental impact. Yeah, in terms of that that that's not regulated by the city. That's actually done by the state level. They have uh Florida statutes that deal with that. And when they come through site review, um a lot of the newer tanks put in or double wall. They have monitoring. So in terms of that that's actually left to another jurisdiction to do. So there was no nothing in regards to that. Okay. And and sir, you said all four corners at that intersection are commercial use, right? Anybody can answer that one. The three that we have, I think the one that owns the fourth is sitting behind me. So yes, I I I believe that's the case that they're all commercial

because I I do I I I really echo the sentiments of my fellow commissioners. I I I'm trying to wrap my head and figure out a way that I can get behind this, but I realize that this decision and Vince, you said it so well.

This is going to be a major intersection. Major intersection. I travel I travel that area all the time and and I can I can see it and feel it coming. So, you know, you're right on 27. It seems to me that 27 would be a better place to to to put a gas station like that. I really empathize with you folks that you know, especially two-story homes looking down into that. So, I'm I'm struggling with this one uh based on on on on the public's comments on this. I came in fully expecting I was going to, you know, jump behind this because as this board knows, I'm I I have proven to be fairly pro-development since I've sat on this board. However, um a as Vince Commissioner Neim says, um we're here to we're here for you guys. We don't get paid. We're volunteers. And so they can't fire us and they can't get mad at us. So we have a bad attitude. Yeah. You know what I mean?

They can fire us, but no withholding, you know, I'll be sitting at home and oh well. Um but I I'm really struggling to to to get behind this. I I would

um I'm getting a little heartburn on this because a and and Commissioner May Allen, I'll refer to you how much you have helped me understand the importance of walkability and getting being able to just to just walk down. You know what? I'm going to run down and get a loaf of bread, but I'm just going to walk or take my bike. And and um you know, a gas station is a whole different environment. it it operates non-stop and that and just because of where it's at. It is it's going to be busy there. So, I'm I'm a little bit on the fence right at this exact moment, I'll be honest with you, but I'm I'm I'm not I'm I find myself in a quandry because I really want to get behind this and for you folks, I really don't. So, thank you.

Thank you. Um, couple of questions, some items that or statements that were made. Um, and I' I'd like to echo what Commissioner May said. I have my my uh section um uh 101212 right here uh in front of me. And um with regard to I don't know if this would be for our city attorney or or um our planning and development staff. So, uh, I think the applicant referenced the design standards and when they were approved and the role that that plays or the significance that that plays and Mr. Cruz in the in the um staff report has that yes, the standards formbbased codes, they were um the original PUD was adopted prior to these standards, but the applicant's request for the conditional use per permit can still be subject to those standards. And I kind of got from the applicant that that maybe maybe they didn't feel the same way. And so I just would like some clarification or clarity on on whether or not they can be applied um even if they weren't in place originally from the get-go.

John, do you have a position on that? Um the position is that when it's a conditional use, we can look at whatever the current code is at that time. um in terms of what they could go out there and build today if it met the neighborhood commercial C1 light commercial designation and we could not hold them to the higher wellness way standards because that is what the PUD was approved for but since it is a conditional use permit our opinion is they can be held to the higher standards because they can be conditions can be put in there does that make sense I agree Yes, I I had a feeling you'd explain it better than me.

And that's where I was uh my headsp space was on that because it's a cup that triggers anything in in addition to or even a a different level of of of consideration. Uh because it's it's it's conditional. It's a policy versus Yes. Okay. Um and then uh um with regard to the car wash um being uh disallowed, does it uh does it matter that it's primary versus secondary or ancillary um use with the car wash? Yeah. I

in in terms of the code, it doesn't give you a a specific is it a single tunnel or a double tunnel or anything like that. Um so if you look around the city, there are some single tunnel car washes. Mhm. But they're car washes. Yeah. So it was staff's position that hey there's a car wash there. We're calling it a car wash. Yeah. And so our code doesn't say car wash primary car wash ancillary/ secondary. It says car wash. That is correct. So, if it's a car wash and the code says no car wash, then it would have to be a variance to to allow for that. And I I'm happy to hear anything you might have to say there. I would just say and and look, I my goal is not to be combative. Yeah. Oh, yeah. But I also want to defend ourselves a little bit.

Yeah, please. Um, you know, we did meet with staff several times. I I told I've met with the mayor. I met with commissioners. Like, we've gotten varieties of of of thoughts on this. Okay. and uh we have not met with you guys in the in the neighborhood and and I'm happy to do it um because this is commercial. It was zon commercial. It's going to be commercial and I'm happy to connect and and do it the best way that it can be done. Um, so it and I understand this process and I and I understand the car wash intention, but it was not nearly as firmly stated as it was in that staff report when we talked about it before just to be okay candid.

No, that's fine. I appreciate that and and I appreciate the fact I don't think anyone's trying to be combative and I I don't view and I don't view you as being combative. I think you're just trying to to state your case as an applicant. Um and um with regard to the um there is no formal request, did I hear that correctly? That no formal request has been made to the Lake County Board of County Commissioners for that wellness way cut access at this point.

That is correct. Um and the and I'll I'll tell you the reason for it. And I agree with you guys wholeheartedly on the right in right out off of Wellness Way. I I think it's it's not great planning to push traffic to Blissville. I think that right in right out is a very good traffic planning structure which we want. So to to be very clear on that um so so the reason we haven't done that is we wanted to get through this piece first. If you talk about sequencing of how you would do this, every step costs a lot more money. Mhm.

Um and so you just try to knock out the the pieces and parts that make the most sense first and and we know what work we need to do to do that. But the the use was indifferent to it to some degree. But I feel comfortable I won't know if I say confident, but I feel comfortable we'll be able to work out a solution because I do think it's good planning and it does for for clarity sake meet county standards for spacing between the lights too. So, we're not asking for a variance to their code either to get that access point.

Okay. Yeah. I just um I think because of the unique nature, Mr. Fumasi brought up a a very valid point about um entities delivering product to the the facility and and uh you know I think a light truck would probably be okay but I every gas I've ever seen be delivered to a gas station comes at a semi 18-wheeler right and so um even if there is that right in from Wellness Way um if there's a car sitting there to go right uh and they can't get out that that traffic is waiting for that truck or they're going to come in through blissful and they're entering a a neighborhood at that point. And I think um while I hear what you're saying with regard to use versus access, I think in this case, given the uniqueness of the neighborhood street being an access point, we have to consider that in our process of whether or not that's a detriment or that that's compatible um as our code reads with regard to a conditional use permit. Um, and then with regard to the hours of operation, I don't see anything in the ordinance here in our packet regarding hours of operation. So, uh, Mr. Cruz, could, uh, I meant to ask you this before, so I apologize. Um, what does the code allow for this type of facility if there's nothing in the conditional use permit?

Um, 24 hours. And that would be for the car wash as well, correct? So, we work off a noise ordinance. Okay. So, if there's a noise complaint and it exceeds the decel readings at certain criteria, then that would be enforced. But in terms of operating 24 hours a day, that that they would be able to do that.

Okay. Okay. Um I just think that we um you know we have heard from folks here who are present anyway um about this and I think you'd be hardressed to say if you live in Claremont uh for I know I heard a couple folks say only two years. Well hey we've been talking about wellness way for a lot longer than that. So it's definitely been on the agendas in conversation for the entire time you've been here. um you'd be have to live under a rock if you haven't heard of wellness way or some conversation relative to wellness way. In addition to that, the next thing that you usually hear about Wellness Way is when is there going to be something other than housing that's going to go out there? Um, and so, um, you know, I I kind of relate this to, um, I kind of relate this to like a, you know, um, if I really, if I'm craving a peanut butter and jelly sandwich, that's what I want, right? A peanut butter and jelly sandwich. I really want a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. But if I'm super super super super hungry and all I get and all that's available to me is a tuna fish sandwich and it's that or pass out, I'm probably going to eat that tuna fish sandwich. I don't think we're that hungry yet. I don't think we need the tuna fish sandwich. Um I think we need something that the residents are telling us that they want compatibilitywise in their neighborhood. Um, and I think you take that with the fumes, the noise, the traffic, the environmental, the no uh potential access from Wellness Way. Um, and just um I I would love if I lived here and I had a convenience. I was just talking with this someone today. I'd pay the extra dollar for that dozen eggs if I was like making something and I ran out and I could go I I would I would do that in a heartbeat if I could literally walk across the street and get that. Um, and I think that I don't want to speak for the residents in this area, but I think that there's a there's a desire from my understanding of folks who live out

there that they want something like that. I don't know that this project given the the gas and the uh car wash is the the complete compatibility of that project. And I I I hear those concerns and I think we have to we have to recognize that. So, I uh given that, given staff's um recommendations for denial, given what we're hearing from the folks who live in the community, uh I I can't in good faith and conscience support this at this time. And I open it back up. Any any other final questions or comments? Okay, Mr. Dona. Uh Mr. Teddona,

actually, I I just want to recognize Commissioner Anne for bringing up the future development of that property on that side piece. uh we weren't allowed to explore that with the property uh that was in front of Dicks that time and I think it's important that this uh committee is able to ask those types of questions about future plans so that we could further quantify the impact on residents. So thank you. Absolutely. Mr. Nimik, you're welcome, Commissioner Dona. Uh since I am allowed and I'm I don't have to recuse myself, I do have some follow-up questions. I'm not here to beat you up, sir.

You've been very polite and I respect that. But this project is a no for me. Hard no. Uh question to staff. What kind of notifications? I only see one, two, three, four homeowners. Right now they have over 800 homeowners there. Now granted, I know there's a lot of renters and they can't come here, but what was sent out to them?

Again, our code requires 150 feet out. We went 200 feet out. We go out an additional feet. uh 50 feet. The site was also posted with the yellow sign and there is a legal ad in the newspaper. So, we met the requirements according to our code for notification. So, if I'm not mistaken, Runners Run uh Runner's Circle, sorry, haven't worked there for a while. All right. Runner Circle was the only street that received these notices.

That that would be um without measuring the depth of the lots, that's probably correct. Okay. So, no, no, I'm telling you there's a lot more than blissful in that area. Uh, okay. Uh, I understand the permission, the 247 the decimal. Can you explain to me what the highest decimal we can go is, for example, is like a lawnmower. Is that what you

um I can't really address that. I'm not familiar with the noise ordinance that's handled by our code enforcement department. Well, I did run into a problem in my HOA and okay, I was told that a lawnmower is considered right at the borderline. So, if I hear a lawnmower, especially if my child's house or his house up is upstairs at 3:00 that could be considered. Perfect example. Perfect example. You couldn't have timed it better. All right. I got to thank my wife for that one. She's watching. All right. Honestly, 3:00 in the morning, my child is sleeping and I hear like a lawn mower. I mean, I'm not going to appreciate it.

I will tell you, sir, I mean, and thank you for bringing out there's other developers here. I want to set precedence. As long as I'm sitting up here, it better be a good project and red be good to the neighborhood cuz I want to say a hard note to it. All right? And I'm ser I'm not threatening you. I'm being honest to you. Ask who I am and they'll tell you who I am. I care for the residents and I hope I didn't get myself in trouble, but I I state what I have to state. I'm not being macho. You You have a great plan here. Put it on 27, you'll be rich. There's a lot of lot of property there for sale. This is a great property for a restaurant. They'll love you if you put a nice restaurant there with office hours. I'm serious.

And don't don't put like one of these food chain things over there. Put a real a nice restaurant there. People will come. It's like a field of dreams. you build it, they will come. Thank you for being very polite, but I'm sorry I have to reject this, Commissioner May. So, um, going back to that, um, so in my in my work, I am a commercial broker, so I understand the reasons why you're probably putting a, uh, you know, 7-Eleven there because it's nice triple net and everybody wants to be rich,

you know, nice lease. But but um what we try to do and what I try to do with with the developers that I work with is definitely have the the buyin of the community, especially the ones that are backing up. So it would be great and have one of the council people go with you and have buyin and just ask them. That's why I asked that gentleman, what would you like to see? And then that's where you can go out and just start calling Fresh Kitchen and Fresh, you know, and Boule and all the healthy stuff and Trader Joe's. People have been asking for a Trader Joe's and that would be awesome. Grocery store across the street.

So, yeah. So, I'm just trying but um but just having the buyin of the of the people really is key. So, I just wanted to completely agree. We we do a lot of development. We do a lot of community meetings and um sometimes it's it's uh it's difficult as a developer because the general answer is like that field is going to always be better than anything I can build. Like I could build it as good as you would ever see a project of best architecture and no one's going to want in their backyard with their child on the second floor. I mean I like I just not it's not something I can do. Appreciate that.

I mean real quick and I'm I'm sorry Mr. Chairman. Uh, I know you didn't speak to Lake County and you just stated communication since this road is going into the property of Wellness Ridge. Did you ever get in touch with the Wellness Ridge developer or we know the HOA there, whoever's in charge of it now. We're happy to. I mean, oh, so you did not then? No, no. Part of the process would be to figure out where we've got I mean, this is step one of many step other steps. So, I'm not against doing it. I'm happy. No, I understand it. I'm not saying you're not a seasoned player because you are. I just figured you would have done that before you came in front of us. I mean, I'm trying to

Sometimes it it depends. You just have to go off your gut whether you do it before or in the process. I'm trying not to beat you up too much. So, no, it's I'm I'm just trying to help you out here, man. You're not answering the right questions. I'm sorry. Well, I'm just honor being honest with you. I could tell you I did, but that's why I'm laughing with you. Yeah. So, okay. All right, commission. Um, if there are no other additional questions or comments, I would entertain a motion. Um, and again, if we uh if you want to vote to um deny, we still make the motion in the affirmative. Uh, and then vote against.

I'll set for a motion for resolution 2025- 037R for approval. Moved by Commissioner Neimik. I'll second it. Seconded by Commissioner Kramer. Any final discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor say I. I. Oh, sorry. This is a This is a vote for approval. I I would be for approval. No. Okay. No. I Okay. All those opposed? Sorry. You're good. All those opposed? Deny. Deny. Yeah.

Denied. Chair votes nay as well. Motion is not approved. 0 to five. This will still go to the city council with the re recommendation of denial from the planning and zoning commission. Um it is a resolution so it'll only get one reading. And uh staff, do we know when this will be on the agenda? It's scheduled for October 28th. Okay. So it's scheduled for October 28th. Uh but please make sure to check uh it's a resolution so it just gets one resolution. Um so please make sure you you check the city council uh agenda page to make sure whether or not it's on the agenda for the 28th and we'll go from there. Okay. Thank you. Yes,

Mr. Bane. The applicant did indicate to me that they may request a continuence. We haven't ran the legal ad yet for the 28th. Um yeah, I'd I'd like to spend some time with them and Okay. Yeah, I I think that's I think that's good. Um I'd rather do it.

Yeah, absolutely. And I So that just goes back to that point. Make sure you check the city clerk's uh the agenda uh page under the city clerk's tab on the website to make sure you know when it's going to come on the agenda and hopefully uh the city uh uh someone can reach out and make sure folks know. Okay. All right. We will move on to item number five. Ordinance number 2025-031. This is the Olympus PUD master sign plan amendment and Mr. Cruz.

Good evening again. This is for the Olympus PUD master sign plan. The applicant is requesting city council approval for an overall master signage plan as part of the existing Olympus PUD ordinance. The original PUD was approved by city council on May 14th, 2019. The current PUD included a condition section 9 item one that required specific approval for the master signage plan once it was developed. A comprehensive master signage plan has been prepared by creative sign designs and has been submitted for council consideration. And outlined on the display is the condition from that PUD and it talks about the the approval from the city council. In the middle is just a general location map with the star showing the center of Olympus. And we'll talk about this in a minute. the ARB review. The submitted document is quite extensive, encompassing 87 pages of signage applications within the Olympus development. In reviewing the document, sign specification tables are included that indicate sign type, sign classification, sign location, max height, and much more. It has been noted that all signs must comply with dark sky lighting rules as well. The Olympus project is a master plan community that has a unique vision with adopted architectural standards in place. Currently, there is an architectural review board that reviews projects and plans prior to city submitt and provides a sign off as a part of the permitting. And going back to the first thing I showed you, this is the the ARB coordination sign off. Due to the complexity of the proposed signage package, with city council

approval, staff would request a signed letter or stamp of approval from the Olympus Architectural Review Board as part of the sign permit process. This would allow staff the ability to cross reference the sign type within the master signage plan while going through the permitting process. If a signed permit doesn't include the ARB signoff, the sign permit would halt until one was approved. Staff does not oppose the master signage plan. If city council decides to approve, staff would request ARB sign off as a tool to ensure compliance with the master signage plan during the permitting process. To document the approved uh master signage plan, it was determined that the peed ordinance would have to be amended to include language. the master signage plan was approved by city council and where to find the recorded document. This change is found under section 9 item one in ordinance 2025-031. Um this is why we're bringing this before uh planning and zoning and city council if approved would be uh completed with the master signage plan in that ordinance. This concludes staff's presentation. And if you'll allow me a little flexibility here, I just want to ask for clarification because I think it is kind of this is unique in the sense that it's it's not the whole ordinance. It's it's a section of the ordinance. So this is correct me if I'm wrong, Mr. Cruz. This is not proposing the master sign plan for Olympus. This is an amendment to the master sign plan. And that amendment is page 109 of the packet which is section 9 number one. The red language that we have and I don't know if you have that or if if uh

yeah I'm familiar with and it says blank pages book. Yes that that is what this is. This is th it's an amendment to the master sign plan and this is the amendment. They have brought forth the master sign plan for consideration. for city council approval which states in that condition and if city council approves it we have to have a way to record it for searching correct

and this one condition is changing to show the OB and page number to where this recorded document will lie so people can look at the master sign plan so to answer your question it's only for this one specific condition for the master sign plan. Okay, that's what I wanted to clarify just to make sure folks know because it's a it's a pretty heavy document and it might get lost in there of what we're actually kind of looking at on that. Okay, thank you. Uh the applicant, would you like to come forward and state your name and address for the record and and share any information for the commission, please?

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There you go, sir. Which one? It might be turned off. Go back. It's just Okay. Thank you. All right.

Good evening. Mike Carroll, 14292 Shocklock Drive. That's Winter Garden 34787. Members of the Thank you. Thank you. Good to be back. Uh so, as I said, my name is Mike Carroll. I serve as the chairman of the Olympus Community Development District, which is a special purpose unit of local government. And I'm here tonight to present our comprehensive signage plan for your review and approval. Uh I'd like to begin by thanking city staff, particularly Mr. Cruz. We certainly gave staff a lot to absorb and they uh put the effort in to absorb it and we really appreciate that. So at its core, as uh Mr. Chair uh alluded to earlier, uh the plan fulfills a requirement of our plan unit development or PUD and it ensures that we have a cohesive uh high quality signage and wayfinding system that reflects the scale and the vision and the identity of Olympus as a worldclass sports wellness and lifestyle community. So, we've assembled a great team for this effort led by our senior land planner who is sitting behind me, Mr. Brian Wheeler. Uh, his work is renowned across the state of Florida. We also have with us tonight uh Logan Codingham and Addie Menry from Creative Sign Designs. Um that's a sign uh design and fabrication company with a portfolio that includes some of the top hospitality uh entertainment and mixeduse uh destinations around the state, resorts, theme parks, sports complexes, commercial environments. Uh so the purpose of the signage plan is uh fairly straightforward. is to provide a unified uh visual language across all of the uh components of Olympus uh from our

wellness way perimeter monuments and our roundabout markers to the sports campus and all the other zones. Each sign family reinforces, I think, a sense of place, uh, guiding residents and visitors, uh, pretty intuitively through the campus and maintaining, uh, consistency and quality and visual harmony across all the various zones. So, I'd like to walk you through just a few pages. I promise I won't walk through all 87 pages. um and any detailed technical questions or material related questions, those can be addressed by our um planning and design team. I'd also like to highlight before I get into the pages uh something that um Mr. Cruz mentioned, the Olympus Community Development District's Architectural Review Board, the ARB, uh will play a key role in facilitating and assisting the city uh with uh the review process. In addition to that, the Olympus Property Owners Association will serve as the primary enforcement organization uh in ensuring compliance literally on the ground ensuring that operators and tenants at Olympus are in compliance with the plan. So, I'd like to show you uh this is page two of the signage plan. Uh this page gives you sort of the big picture. Uh you can see how Olympus connects to the overall wellness way corridor. Each color block here represents a different land use zone. So you can see uh we have the the fire station that was recently dedicated to the city, the sports center, uh the the hospitality features, the town center, the retail and commercial, etc. uh it shows how the signage program is organized around these zones to maintain

a clear uh visual hierarchy uh from the perimeter inward. Uh this is page six for reference and this is uh the primary gateway monument. This is the first impression you'd have if you were entering from US27. It's scaled for a four-lane corridor. It's fully dark sky compliant as the entire signage plan is. Uh and it integrates the wellness way logo. Uh that's the county's wellness way logo. The height, the proportions, the materials are designed to reflect our architectural guidelines and plan which have already been approved and adopted by uh city council. The next page I'd like to show you is page nine. Uh this simply shows one of the roundabout identity monuments. This is for a residential section of the project. This also features the Olympus and the Wellness Way logo elements. This is an optional uh pedestrian bridge feature that would span US27. Uh it would connect Olympus to Lake Louisa State Park. It's obviously subject to FDOT approvals, but conceptually I think it provides a pretty striking visual gateway announcing Claremont, announcing Olympus uh to motorists while also serving as a safe pedestrian uh connection. We happen to be on the very southern edge of the Claremont uh city limits. The next page is uh page 19. So here we're moving inside the project to the sports campus. This uh shows how internal signage maintains consistency uh directional zone, building IDs, etc. while using this uh distinctive, we call it a red clay uh color theme to um tie

the entire athletic district together. Uh this is page 23. Uh this page illustrates the the multi-tenant monument and facade signage uh for major venues like the performance center, the arena, the national ice center. Uh the scale of this allows visibility within the campus but limits clutter uh and each follows very defined uh letter sizes, copy areas, logo proportions, etc. This is page 26. This is a conceptual rendering of the arena. Uh it's showing how large format uh digital signage and sponsor panels integrate architecturally with the building facade. Uh even at this scale, illumination and color balance comply fully with dark sky standards and community standards. So this does not face any public roads. This is page 41. This section highlights the uh town center, which is the heart of our mixeduse area. You'll notice a shift to uh kind of a cooler town center blue uh color palette and more pedestrian scaled signage here. Uh everything from storefront IDs to directional markers follows the same design DNA and that ensures cohesion across the retail and the entertainment uses. Uh finally, this is page 67. Uh this introduces uh tenant sign guidelines. This is what ensures long-term consistency. This is um covering what's allowed in terms of materials and mounting and lighting and logo sizing and a host of other things so that every future sign uh complements the Olympus

identity. And it's really about maintaining uh long-term sort of visual integrity. So 5 or 10 or 20 years from now, the Olympus brand still looks intentional and and timeless and cohesive. So on behalf of our team, uh we appreciate your time and appreciate your partnership as we continue to build what we hope will be a new benchmark for the city and uh for the Wellness Way corridor. Thank you very much. I have to say that that was a very concise job with the size of uh packet that we had in in front of us. So,

thank you very much. Well, I I give Brian credit uh on that one. He told me these are the pages we should focus on. So, yeah. So, thank you. Thank you. And if you would please just uh make sure you and your team could be available for any questions. Absolutely. Okay. At this point, we will open it up to anyone here in the public who would like to speak on this issue. Please come forward to the podium. State your name and address and uh please limit your comments to this item and three minutes if possible. This is ordinance number 2025-031 Olympus PUD master sign plan amendment.

My name is Dylan Torres 15514 Fireite Drive. Even though I'm in the Winter Garden region, yeah, this infects like Winter Garden as well because this brings traffic on Fitzy. Fitzy is majorly like coming up. I wonder if like inside Olympus if they're going to have like light rail because we can look at like Camping World and when they host events usually a lot of traffic builds up on a highway and everyone's trying to get off the highway and then next thing you know it's backed up. I don't want that to keep like happening over here where we have more people moving in, more people trying to go to these events and then like something like 50 becomes completely clogged and people start taking back roads that gets clogged and then we have problem after problem there and then like residents like me can't get a shine plaza people become late for work and it costs a lot of like economic money that way and so I believe something that would be useful is like let's say with the between these venues like if they're going to have like ball arena or like the hockey arena we should connect it through like some means of like rail other than just like cars or like biking because I believe people would like to go from point A to point B also um having some connectivity between like other cities like with the theme park central and all that if people want to go to theme park come over to like Olympus they would be able to take something like Bright Line if we can work like a partnership with them but the other thing I want to like highlight is the affordability of like homes I notice we're going to bring like mixed use development homes is it going to be like towards middle class or is it going to be like more towards like luxury, high-end. And my last statement is for the architecture. I think we should push something for like the American architecture of what we see like in downtown Winter Garden. A lot of people I notice are attracted like old towns and usually they designate these areas for walking. A lot of people just like the looks of it. I believe that's like a timeless look. If we bring that to Olympus because we're going for like more of a modern design, but it doesn't like tell a story. I feel like I feel like with like American architecture, you have story, you have color there and you would be able to uphold like all the way up to now and for like future like

future like projects. That's all to say. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you. Is there uh anyone else here in the audience who would like to speak on this issue? I know it may seem silly, but I don't see anybody. So, all right. We'll bring it back to the commission and we will start uh again with Commissioner Teddona. Please, can you come back to me, Mr. Chair? Sure, absolutely. Commissioner May. Interesting. Oh, uh question. Uh the ARB board, who are they made up of? develop.

Yeah. So, the architectural review board is uh myself, uh Brian, and Michael Carroll, senior currently. Okay. And then, um you're saying you're the primary enforcement for Olympus, the ARB in regards to the signage. Well, the ARB would uh review uh So, you won't have a third party or just anybody else besides you all. So, I'm sorry. You wouldn't have a third party. So it would just be you, yourself, the owner, the developer, and then the architect who's been working on this. And then I was just, you know, just curious to find out who the ARB. That's correct. Okay. That's the ARB. Can you explain to us what dark sky lighting rule means?

That's above my pay grade. Do you have the right people to and the only reason it's it's it's in here? It it says it has be it has been noted that all signs must comply with dark sky lighting rules. So, it's just a question trying to figure out what that

Brian, excuse me, Brian Wheeler, 9822 Cypress Cypress Green Drive, Jacksonville. Uh, dark sky is basically just not filling up um up lighting that constantly you can't see the stars at night and everything else. So, it's designed to low-level lighting just, you know, back lit and uh to preserve the the sky for nighttime. So that applies to the arena lighting. So all lighting or just specifically to the building, street lights and everything.

Got it. Okay. Um yeah, I I think that's all that those were just the questions that since you were going over that didn't have any definition too. So I appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you. And I believe um Groveland, the city of Groveland has uh initiated some dark sky compliant lighting. Um and I think to put it in the simplest terms, it it shoots the light shoots down more than it shoots up of traditional lighting. And the shields shield it down instead of out and up. It's shields more straight down for that lighting. There's a lot of coastal communities that have it because of the sea turtles.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Great. Lighting pollution. Yes. Yes. Exactly. Light pollution. Yes. Commissioner Neim.

Well, first of all, I'd like to say nice seeing Brian and Michael again. I mean, I've been seeing you for years and I'm waiting for this project to take underway, but every time you come up here, I have questions that you bring to my attention. Brian, uh, the nightlighting. All right. You are going to have an arena there. This ain't going to be like Vegas, right? where you're going to have those bright lights that go up in the air that you know being attracted, right? And that's in writing, right? Okay, good. Perfect. Cuz you know, you opened yourself up for that one. All right, John. Uh staff, Mr. Cruz, I'm sorry. Uh I know their setbacks are way off than ours. I know their stories per buildings are way off than ours. How much is this their signage? Way more than ours. I'm looking at a 17 foot over 17 foot unassigned.

You know, in terms of the signage, excuse me, staff did go through it. Signage is definitely not our expertise internally. Um that is why we felt that no you know the end vision with the ARB board in place has a better vision than staff does. Um that is why we if if city council agrees the ARB sign off we would take that and check it with what's approved and if it doesn't line up then they would not move forward in the building permitting process. But to answer your question there are definitely outside our usual signage code.

What's the highest sign we have in Claremont right now? Do you remember the highest like height? Heightwise. I'm not talking on top of a monument either. Um I'm unsure other than maybe the hospital. Okay. Maybe that's that's the answer I was looking for. Maybe. So I can I can answer some of that. Yeah. So um some of the Can we just get your name for the record, please? Elementary. Um 13266 Bird Drive, Odessa, Florida.

Thank you. Um so some of the uh discrepancy are waivers from the code. Um so for commercial they're allowed 8 to 12 feet in height. Some of ours are the most are 17 feet in height. Um some of those are the kind of beacon perimeter signage and they not only feature Olympus but we also have a wayfinding aspect. And so in order to ensure that there is proper wayfinding and also you know the branding especially along the perimeters that's why those were designed that way. Um as far as like sign area um there are there's um like for commercial there's 32 to 64 square feet. Our maximum is 85 square feet. So about 20 square feet give or take. And some of that is dead space. It's not all copy area. Um but that's because um those are designed as Mike said with like certain height letter heights for visibility wise for certain um miles per hour on roads and certain distances um that you're driving. Um so those are I personally don't think that we have designed this. We've we've wanted to stay in line kind of with the spirit. um but also recognizing it's a regional attractor Fortune 500 companies um you know regional for sports and wellness um and so we wanted to kind of ensure that especially those perimeters we didn't think that the city's code really allowed for the type of signage that needed to be here.

Okay, good. Uh since you brought it up. Yes. Okay. Uh it's uh I know we there was a big thing about signage especially with the electric signage a couple years ago with city council and us. Mhm. There will be no flashing, no strobes or nothing like that. No, sir. All right. Cuz are you on the ARB? No. All right. Maybe I should be asking the ARB this. Oh, will you be putting a void on that? because that's a no no in my eyes, especially when you're driving out 27 and you know how they drive. Yeah. Uh no variable messaging, flashing lights, strokes. Perfect. Thank you, Brian. Appreciate that.

All right. And since you brought this up, this epic arena signage, right? How high is that going to be? Do you know how high? I mean, I would imagine it looks like a two-ish story building and then those look like what you think four foot letters. So 24 34 between 24 and 34 ft. And that's going to be pointing in towards the property, not going out the property. Correct. I'm just Okay, no further questions. Okay, I got my answer. Okay, I just I was looking I wanted to make sure. Trying to get that up. Thanks, Brian.

It's okay. You're doing great. Uh that is here, right? No. Okay. And that'll it'll face you. Yes. So it will face Yeah. So this is faces the prominade, right? Yes. That's the prominadon, right? So this is the arena here and it will face inward. It will not face outward. Yes. Because it's the last thing we want to see. Yeah. Thank you. You're welcome. No further questions, Mr. Chairman.

Thank you, Commissioner Kramer. Thank you. Uh, first I will say I must commend you on dark sky compliance. This is something I actually am a huge passionate person for. We are currently um changing out all the lighting in my neighborhood. 38 poles from old sodium phosphorus whatever it is to the um open deluxe acorn which you guys feature down there. It's the open it's no glass. It's I went down there, looked at it, and I was just blown away by how good it looks. And it's blessing.

It is something I hope that the city adopts because if you do live in a two-story house, light, I have a light right outside of my window on I live on the second floor and that light shines in. I have cardboard literally covering the windows. Um, so a very selfishly motivated purpose for me getting this lighting changed. But it is um is amazing the amount of light pollution that it saves. And I hope that we can have all of Claremont follow dark sky compliant um code because it is just we don't need light going up. We just need it to light our walkways and and so thank you very much and and I appreciate because I wanted to see what it looks like and Duke Energy said well go down to Wellness Way and look what they've done and I did and it's fabulous. So thank you. Um, I do have some concerns about the dual level um, reporting with the ARB and then then coming to council. So, I I I can get over that, but having you guys approve it and then going to council, I just want to make sure um that everything's signed off properly and that um that the enforcement steps because while the ARB will be the one approving it and then hopefully city will approve as well, but also looking at then who is the enforcement,

right? You know, and is that us? So, just things that that that I have concerns about, but doesn't mean that I won't uh act favorably on this. So, thank you, Commissioner Teddona. Well, I'm going to admit that uh this was a lot to absorb. Um

it was it was a lot for me to comprehend to be perfectly honest with you. Um and and right or wrong, uh my comments are I like the idea that in in in the packet you've put in some additional parking lanes in certain areas of this uh of your development because a lot of that doesn't exist in Claremont.

Um for the majority of it, it looks like it's the same cookie cutter one lane in and one lane out. I like the idea that you have the potential of a pedestrian crosswalk over 27 and I really hope you kind of like pursue that because we don't do enough of that. Um the perfect example is Costco on 50. There should have been some sort of pedestrian crosswalk connecting all those stores but that's unfortunately we're not being able to do that now. Um, the part of the issue I have is that's the areas where you want to bring in the crowds are buried. They're buried in the rear of the of of an area where I don't know, to me it just seemed to make more sense to put some of that stuff spread it out and put that stuff on 27. you know, at this arena, I don't know how many seats are in the arena, but you know, if we're going to come see the Sticks Foreigner cover band and half of Claremont decides to come in there, I I don't know what you're going to do with them. Um, from a safety standpoint, thank you very much. And I I I I give you prop props for considering an FDPD substation, but it's buried in the corner where maybe if that was somewhere centrally located, so it was equidistant to get a response in that area. That's one thing, but you buried it in the corner for some reason. I'm not too sure about how much walkability is here, but that gentleman brought up an absolutely incredible point. So, I'm from Brooklyn and Staten Island, and we use light rails all over the place. Okay? And if anybody was thinking, and I'm sorry, there would have been a light

rail on 50 and 27 that could go from Claremont to John Young because that's where I work, but nobody wants to think that way about moving people. Then you've got something that's moving people. There's less traffic on the road, whether you it's free or whether you use some sort of easy pass or whatever. So the the signage is wonderful. I mean, you did a great job on signage. All the dimensions are there. Everything is wonderful. It's when something goes on in here, whether it's an event or a sporting event, I don't know if you've actually considered what that other gentleman was even talking about about human nature is going to take over this this whole development. And unless you're got a parking garage or you can accommodate a thousand people somewhere, this is just I'm sorry. I'm really really sorry and I maybe I'm off base, but this is just going to be another absolute traffic disaster. It's going to look great. It's going to have wonderful signage and all that signage will just direct you to the next traffic light or just, you know, uh, gridlock. So, um, I thank you for what you did. Awesome presentation, but again, I'm not a community planner. You folks are a lot smarter than I am, but everything that I would want to get to is buried. Where as opposed to even like we said about that 7-Eleven, if it was just somewhat different where I could walk to it, I could walk to that arena, it would just make more sense to me. So, I I know I'm probably off the beaten track on signage, but it's uh that's all I got.

I heard you like the signs, though. I like the signage, but I mean, you know, if I'm standing in if I'm sitting in traffic looking at the same frigin sign to get to the arena and then when I get to the arena, I got no place to park, that's a problem.

Yeah. No, I hear you on that. And I And I think that um I'm sorry, I don't want to interrupt. Are you okay? Um and I think that, you know, it's one of those things and I know that our city attorney has said we kind of have some latitude on how we talk about different things and how they all correlate. And look, I think all of our intent up here is to try to figure out h how projects feel and look and fit and operate and function and does it make Claremont better or does it does it add something of value to Claremont? And so I I I think your comments are within that within that realm, even if it's not directly related to and and again, I'm not a community planner, but when you look at this, yeah,

that sports center is for the people who live in that area. And I think that um you know uh there will be hopefully this is just the first of many future uh Olympus words coming out of our mouths up here. Uh and and and items on council and planning and zoning agendas for Olympus projects because I think that uh similar to what we talked about in the wellness way proposal that was before us uh in the last item. I think there there is a a heavy anticipation uh for what's happening in this area and what it could bring or or uh do for Claremont South Lake County um in our in our area. And I think that the gentleman who did speak, even even though it doesn't directly relate to the signage, I think that it's a concept that obviously if you do some sort of mass or semi-ass transit, parking, trolley types of systems, anything that's other than just everybody getting in their own cars and driving, signage for that will be critically important to get people to that and to know that those are options available to them. And gosh, the the idea of of having some sort of opportunities where where we could tie in Olympus to maybe uh some theme park and and and uh amusement types of opportunities in our in our adjacent county um or counties uh depending upon where you go uh would be really cool for this area and for for Claremont and for Olympus. So, with regards specific to the signage, um, my only question is is this. I I think that it makes sense for Olympus, the project of Olympus, to have its

signage plan to to signify this is Olympus. This isn't Wellness Ridge or or um the um the Integra apartment complex that's out there. This is Olympus. But how do you intend or what kinds of conversations have you had about making sure that there is some sense of congruency or or um just natural fit and feel that it doesn't we want it to stand out but we don't want it to stick out. Does that make sense? And I guess maybe what what kinds of thoughts or or conversations are you having with the other developers in that area to to look at and to share here's what our signage might look like? What is your signage going to look like? And how can we make sure that we have some s semblance of congruence and connectivity in that whole area? because at some point when probably we're all long gone, um people are going to they're going to view that area as the area and not necessarily as well this was Olympus and this was uh the old uh uh um Arnold farm and this was this you know that historical knowledge may not be there. And so long question really it boils down to what kinds of congruency and conversations are are being had there to to just tie it all together that whole area but also Olympus itself.

Yeah, great question. I appreciate all the feedback from everyone here. Um we have had lots of conversations with u the city, the county, other developers in the area. We took great pains to integrate the wellness way identity into our own signage plan. So we were very cognizant of that u you know that we wanted to create our own identity as you said but uh but also um uh you know feature the broader uh concept here. So we we that was our goal at any rate. I think we accomplished it. But

and I think you showed that some with the Wellness Way County logo and including that in some areas just to help signify that this while it's its own unique entity and project has some connectivity with the overall area and and projects that make up this section of Lake County and Claremont. Absolutely. We we've always been about the area from the very beginning. I mean, our the fact that we put the project on hold to make sure that our traffic prop share payments went to the wellness way area, I think, is a a prime example of that. We're

we're always thinking about the broader context and and you know, how we fit, how we're just a small part of it.

Yeah. And I think um my my concerns are are are quelled and and calmed with regard to the ARB process and and staff being able to directly look at where that's filed and be able to say, "Okay, this is what you say you're approving." We go back to the plan, it meets the plan, it goes to council, council gives it its final blessing, and we're good. And and we're not sitting here going, "Well, does that actually meet subsection one of page two of paragraph 4?" and there's an election and the council changes and that's a different perspective the next time you come back. So I think having um a a plan and then having a process and then having a review of that process before it goes and gets the final approval is is a way to to to ensure longevity of of connectivity and and consistency. So I appreciate that.

Yeah. Thank you. Okay. I don't have anything else. Anyone else? Uh, Commissioner R, just uh jumping on the ARB again. Uh, where does it define what you all do? Because we know who you are and you already said who you are. It's going to be you and and the gentleman behind you. When you say what you all do like the definition of what is is there any definition of an A or B in any because sometimes like for instance uh in our code yes there are duties of what we do there's duties. So, is there something in writing or where it says this is what an ARB does? Are you looking for guidelines? Guidelines. Yeah. May I help you learn that one? Guidelines. Guidelines. Thank you.

So, I don't know if it's a procedural question or kind of what are the specific architectural character components of it. So there is a set of architectural design and development standards that are referenced in the PUD. Okay.

So they're required when we contract any body that's building something, they are required by contract to go through the ARB process before they come to city council or try to start changing things. And then we're going to have a commercial property owner association. So those written words, that last sheet is where we get into a gift to the street, you know, where the shop owner decides to put a little decorative card or something and it's great. But, you know, the marketing and merchandising all of a sudden it turns into well, there's all kind of stuff, there's outdoor sales, there's prices on it. It it it gets too much. So, that level of control will be actually by the commercial property owner association. But the initial approval will be by the ARB to make sure all of this is consistent and we don't rethink it every time we come before city council over a two buildout period.

Yeah, thanks Brian. Okay, thank you. Anyone else? Yes. Yeah, I just saw a quick question. Well, actually two answers. Uh now, Mike, when are you going to really break ground on this? I mean, I know we're eyeing through a lot of stuff. I mean, I'm just Well, somebody please answer that.

Several there's several answers to that. We when we put this original pud together and the phasing, it was based on a report we had from the city from their consultants, Tetrate Tech, I believe, looking at the capacities for water and sewer and where the main trunk lines were going to come from the city services because we annexed into the city as part of that utility access and we were reassured it was coming down 27. It ended up coming down Weldness Way Scoffield at that corner.

So we had to engineer phase five to get the sewer and water to phase four. Engineer fully phase four to get to phase three. So we've spent an awful lot of time engineering and permitting stuff and it's delayed the uh the vertical construction for some of the commercial areas and the we're past that point but right Brian what's that? Are we past that point now? ju just about that's just about it's under construction the water sewer. Okay. So wait wait waiting for that to get done then we could start to get to the lift to the meet and potato it is then. Yep.

All right. And uh second thing is for the gentleman that came up before uh asking questions on connecting uh believe it or not, Wellness Way is going to be connecting once it gets connected to 429 by the independent way exit and to the south of it there's going to be another it's called the new highway. All right. So there is going to be transportation to this development and trust me the county saw this coming in. So, we're trying to make to your needs. All right. That just want to bring that to your attention because those are very good questions, young man, and I appreciate it. Thank you.

Okay. Seeing no other comments or questions, I'll entertain a motion. I'll set a motion for approval on ordinance 2025-031. Moved by Commissioner Neimik. Is there a second? I'll second. Seconded by Commissioner Kramer. Any final discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor say I. I. I. All opposed? Nay.

Chair votes I as well. Motion carries 41. And this will then go to the city council for um their um review and decision with a recommendation for approval. This is an ordinance, so there would be a first reading and then final action. Please work with staff on making sure you know when those were going to be scheduled. Um, and for the audience, please make sure you check the city council agenda. Any discussion or further action for the good of the cause? No. Sing.