Municipal Code Enforcement Board - Regular Meeting

Wednesday, June 24, 2026

The Municipal Code Enforcement Board addressed several code violations, including continued cases for permits, exterior surfaces, and short-term rentals. The board approved minutes, accepted affidavits of compliance, and discussed nuisance abatement liens. Notably, a request for fine reduction for a residential rental business tax receipt was approved, reducing the fine to administrative costs.

About this meeting

Government Body
Municipal Code Enforcement Board
Meeting Type
Municipal Code Enforcement Board
Location
Clearwater, FL
Meeting Date
June 24, 2026

Transcript

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0:24 – 0:59Speaker 1

. . . . Thank you.

1:50 – 2:01Speaker 8

Today's meeting of Municipal Code Enforcement Board is called to order on June 24, 2026. Welcome, everyone. Please rise for the Pledge of Allegiance.

2:06 – 2:17Speaker 6

to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

2:18 – 3:49Speaker 8

Please be seated. Agendas of today's meeting are on the wall at the entrance to chambers. Please remember to turn off your cell phones. The Municipal Code Enforcement Board consists of seven members who are appointed by the City Council. We serve voluntarily. It is this board's intention to promote, protect, and improve the health, safety, and welfare of the citizens of Clearwater by providing this equitable, effective, and inexpensive method of enforcing certain codes within the city. The board considers new business items in two parts. first the violation, and then affirmative relief. Formal rules of evidence do not apply. Each site is limited to 15 minutes. The board may grant additional time. All proceedings will be conducted in a calm, civil manner. Individuals who conduct themselves otherwise will be asked to leave. If necessary, they will be escorted from chambers. Now I ask all who plan to speak to please rise and be sworn in by the clerk. Our first order of business is to review and approve the minutes of last month's meeting. May I have a motion to approve the minutes? Yes, ma'am.

3:56Speaker 9

Just a verbal motion.

3:58Speaker 23

Oh, yes. Yes.

4:00Speaker 9

All right. Motion to approve the minutes.

4:03Speaker 14

Second? Second.

4:05 – 4:38Speaker 8

All in favor? Aye. All opposed? Motion carries. Next on the agenda are new business items. First on our agenda is item 3.1 that has been withdrawn. Second item is 3.2. Madam Secretary has asked me to have this continued. I'd like a motion to have case 64-26 continued until next month. Is that correct?

4:39Speaker 8

All right. What's our date for next month?

4:42Speaker 8

All right. May I have a motion to continue this case until July 22?

4:46Speaker 14

Motion approved. No. Make a motion to continue.

4:56Speaker 11

It's both of them, 3.2 and 3.3. They're the same individuals. All right. Somebody give me a motion.

5:04Speaker 14

I make a motion that 3.2, case number 64-26, and case number 6526 are continued until July 22nd.

5:13 – 5:53Speaker 8

May I have a second? Did I hear a second? Yes. All right. Thank you. All in favor? Aye. All opposed? Motion carries. Our next case, 3.4 on the agenda, continued from April 22nd, 2026, case 80-26. Find respondents Andres Perez and Zoila Perez at 2021 North Betty Lane in violation of code for permits and issue an order with a compliance deadline and fine if compliance is not met. I understand on this case we have people here and an interpreter involved. Is there anyone here to speak on this case?

5:55 – 7:04Speaker 21

so the respondent did not appear so we don't okay nobody's seeing nobody inspector reese you have the floor good afternoon go for it i'm inspector kat reese with the city of clearwater this is going to be for case 80-26 at 2021 north betty lane sorry It's going to be for one violations permits required section 4-203.a.1. Specifically, permit required for garage conversion to include windows, doors, electrical, mechanical, and plumbing. Had multiple notices of violations that gone out. This is one of the old cases as well. Began in March 18th of 2022. Final notice was sent November 21st of 2025. Certified mail was signed December 24th of 2025. So this is going to be on Betty Lane, just south of Idlewild Drive. And this is the structure that is requiring permits. And that was the original inspection photos that were taken.

7:05Speaker 8

I'm sorry to interrupt you. Yes, sir. Can we go back to that? Are we looking at the property in the foreground or the one over the fence?

7:11Speaker 21

Right here, this yellow garage. The window was installed here. This was closed off.

7:17Speaker 8

That's fine. I just, it looks like you're looking. Oh yes. I wasn't doing anything. I knew what I was looking at there. Thank you.

7:26Speaker 21

I do believe that was from street view though. Yeah. It's a weird, a weird street there.

7:30Speaker 8

Understood.

7:31 – 8:30Speaker 21

So the, the property owner did apply for a permit back in 2022 to come into compliance. However, it has expired as of January 2nd of 2025. Um, which includes a lot of failed inspections. So the point of this permit is to ensure that all that work is up to code. And, uh, you know, we've had multiple continuances on this case, try to work with the property owner when he comes and shows up the code board and he's not here today. So we just need to move on with this. So compliance can be met by obtaining an issued permit and completing said permit with inspections, requesting compliance by obtaining a permit on a before July 20, 4th, 2026 and completion of the permit six months from the issuance of said permit. If the violation continues to exist, impose a fine of $150 per day each day the violation continues to exist. Any questions?

8:33Speaker 8

Any questions from the board for Inspector Reeves? No. May I have a first motion, please?

8:40 – 8:56Speaker 23

I move to enter an order requiring the respondent to correct the violations on or before July 24th. No, first motion. First motion, I move to find the respondent in violation of the code as referred to in affidavit in this case.

8:57Speaker 8

Second. All in favor? Aye. All opposed? Motion carries. May I have a second motion, please?

9:04 – 9:30Speaker 23

I move to enter an order requiring the respondent to correct the violations on or before July 24th of 2026. If the respondent does not comply by the date, the board may order a fine of $150 per day per violation for each and each violation continues to exist. If fines and fees remain unpaid three months after such lien is filed, the city is authorized to foreclose, collect, or settle on such lien.

9:30Speaker 8

We have a second.

9:31Speaker 10

Chelsea, second.

9:33 – 10:17Speaker 8

All in favor? Aye. All opposed? Motion carries. Thank you, Inspector Reece. Next on our agenda, Item 3.5, Case 107-26. Fine Respondents Huiz Luis Jones at 1834 North Washington Avenue in violation of code for exterior surfaces. An issue and order with a compliance deadline and fine if compliance is not met. Is there anyone here to speak on this case? Sir, would you come forward, please? Sir, can you state your name and address in relation to the property for us? Yeah.

10:17Speaker 22

I am Jose Johnson, and I am the proprietary owner of the house.

10:26Speaker 8

OK. So you reside there. The address listed here is your address? Yes. OK. Thank you, sir. The first question we have for you is, do you admit or deny the violation?

10:37Speaker 22

No. I admit that, yes, I have not been able to do the repairs. I have hired people to do it, and they just walk away with my money.

10:47 – 10:59Speaker 8

Chair Greg Musil. Understood. For now, I'm sorry to interrupt you. For now, what we're going to do is first we'll hear from the inspector, let him present what information he has, and then we'll call you back up to tell us more, okay?

11:01Speaker 8

All right. May I have a first motion, please?

11:07Speaker 15

I move to find the respondent in violation of the code as referred to in the affidavit in this case.

11:17Speaker 8

Second. All in favor? Aye. All opposed? Motion carries. Inspector Dixon, you have the floor.

11:23 – 12:44Speaker 16

Good afternoon, Board. I'm Greg Dixon. I'm the Co-Compliance Inspector for the City of Clearwater. This is case 107-26 for 1834 North Washington Avenue. There's one violation at the property for exterior surface violation, Code Section 3-1502 . This case started with a courtesy notice in March of last year, and then I sent certified mail out later in the fall, and that posted the property in January. This is the property. It's just got some exterior surface issues. There's some rotten wood, peeling paint. This is later in the fall of last year. And this is in January when I posted the property. Not much changed. The grounds have been cleaned up, but the house still needs some attention. All right, the computer's still up. Here's the property today, chipped and peeling paint, rotten wood on the exterior.

13:09Speaker 8

May I ask you a question while we're looking at these pictures of this sighting? What type of sighting is that? Is that a Masonite sighting or is that like a mineral sighting? What is that?

13:21Speaker 16

I don't know. It's a Masonite. What it looks like, yes. I'm not sure what it's made out of.

13:28Speaker 10

I put that stuff up.

13:41Speaker 12

So are we looking at fence violations, too, or could you explain what this means?

13:45Speaker 16

No, those could just be thrown away. I'm not sure if those are from his property or the neighboring property. It's just for the exterior of the home.

13:55 – 14:17Speaker 16

So compliance can be met for the exterior by replacing any defective structural or decorative elements of any building wall and ensure all exterior surfaces are free of mildew, rust, loose material, faded and peeling paint. And I would request compliance on or before August 1st or a fine of $150 per day per violation.

14:24 – 14:44Speaker 8

Board, do you have any questions for the inspector at this point? Okay. Thank you, sir. Mr. Jones? What can you tell us about all this?

14:45 – 15:23Speaker 22

Yeah, if you notice in the pictures, I've been trying to do the job myself to no avail. I'm very slow. I did have actually a double hernia surgery back in 2024. And what happened is I had a physical altercation with my ex. He punched me right there, and he ruptured both of them. So it's hard for me to lift weight. I was told by the doctor I cannot lift more than 15 pounds. However, I've been doing some work as best as I can.

15:23Speaker 8

Sir, can you either get closer to the microphone? So we want to be able to hear you and understand you.

15:33 – 16:40Speaker 22

So what happened is I did have, a hernia repaired and then I had a physical heart attack, I mean a fight with my ex before he was taken away and then he punched me right there and then he ruptured my hernia. I don't have money to get the surgery right now, but I'm scheduled supposedly for the 25th of July, and I'm waiting for that. I cannot lift in much weight. I was told that I could only lift 15 pounds. However, if you notice in the pictures, you will see that the peeling of the painting outside of the house, it was not as bad as their very last photo. If you look at it, it says that's been me. I scraped and I took all the peeling and I've been doing the best that I can. But I'll admit that I'm very slow. Understood. I've been hiring people to do this work for me and so far I have had like three different people walk away with my money.

16:40Speaker 8

What can you tell us about your plans to get the repairs done?

16:45 – 17:47Speaker 22

I do have my friend coming over from Minnesota. I moved from Minnesota to here, from Minneapolis to here. And then he's coming over and within the next couple weeks, but that's as fast as he can. And I do have also one of the neighbors that he said that he will help me out. The truth is, I don't have much money left. I was a truck driver. I drove OTR, which is over the road, all over the country, and my boss doesn't want to get me back until I fix my hernia because he thinks I would be a liability. So until I get my surgery, I cannot go back trucking. But I'm waiting for that so I can make some money and then continue to improve my property because it needs quite a bit of work. It was a fix-it-up rent, and I bought it in 2014. And of course, everybody wants to live in a beautiful home. I'm not exceptional to that. And I do want to also, but I need to be in a physical, you know, optimal physical condition too. Okay. And, yes, I am very slow. I'm sorry.

17:49 – 18:04Speaker 10

I have a question, Mr. Jones. Do you think your friend that's going to come over from Missouri in the next couple weeks to help you get your house, the outside in condition, do you think he'll be able to do that before August 1st?

18:06Speaker 22

I'm hoping so because he's a competitor.

18:08Speaker 10

Well, hoping and thinking and knowing is two different things.

18:13 – 18:35Speaker 22

All I have to present to you is just his word and what he said, and I'm trusting that he has done good by me. Has he told you that he would come over? He has done good by me in the past, so I'm hoping. He was the one that actually helped me replace the window that was broken on the side of the house. He did that, and now it's on the back door.

18:36Speaker 10

And what happens if he does?

18:39 – 18:57Speaker 22

What happens if he doesn't? And then I'm going to have to try to find a way to do it. I'll admit I don't have money to hire a contracting company. I have checked. It's originally expensive. I know how to do some of this work, and I've been doing it. But right now I have a physical impediment. That's all.

19:00Speaker 8

Have you been in touch with your inspector? I did call him once.

19:05 – 19:32Speaker 22

When I got the first letter, I did call him once. And then I explained to him that I don't have the ability to do all of it as fast as he wanted me to do it. He gave me 30 days. So at that point, I'll admit that all I have to do is just drop my arms whenever it comes because I don't have the money and I don't have the workforce. I just do what I can.

19:32Speaker 8

Do you have a clear understanding of what it is you need to do to get in compliance?

19:37 – 20:29Speaker 22

Yeah. I did hire an electrician and I'll admit this is a problem that I do have. I hired an electrician because my ceiling fan in the living room was not working. And then when I came back from work, and then he said that everything was done, he put the key in there. So when I turned the light on, it actually sparked and damaged my hallway and my bathroom. I don't have electricity in my living room, hallway and bathroom. I need to hire somebody to do that. Somebody said that he will help me. I'm trusting that it will happen. And when it comes to the siding, I'm trusting that I could actually count on these people to help me out with that. I know I can do the work. I've painted apartments and houses before for our living.

20:29 – 20:40Speaker 10

Mr. Jones, we're not dealing, and I can understand your predicament with the electrical, but we're not dealing with the inside of your home right now. We're dealing with the exterior.

20:40 – 21:01Speaker 22

I just wanted to let you know that as well as I am trusting, these people that are coming to help me in the outside of the house. I do have also problems inside of the house. I mean, a house is a big responsibility and I do understand that. However, it's only me against the whole structure at this point. And I will do my best to bring it back.

21:02 – 21:16Speaker 23

I have a question, Mr. Jones. I just wanted to understand if I confirmed that I heard you correctly. Earlier you said that the pictures that were shown on the screen were not accurate and that you were scraping the paint off. Is that what I heard?

21:17 – 21:36Speaker 22

If you look at the pictures before, And you look at the very last picture, you will see that the shades, I mean the patches, are bigger. The reason for that is because I actually took, it took me a whole weekend, Friday, Saturday, Saturday, to scrape everything.

21:36 – 21:54Speaker 23

So you're working currently on the outside of the exterior of the home. Is Inspector Dixon. Dixon. Dixon. Have you seen the property? When was the last time you actually saw this property to confirm if Mr. Jones is working on the property itself outside?

21:54Speaker 10

My pictures were from this morning.

21:55Speaker 23

From this morning. Okay. All right. Thank you.

21:57 – 22:09Speaker 10

So actually it's not better, Mr. Jones. It's been scraped off. It's different. It's different, yes. It's not better. You said it was better than what his picture showed. It's not better.

22:10Speaker 22

I'm scraping it so I can prime it and then paint it because I'm It has a lot of feeling. And then if I don't scrape the filling, I can't help painting.

22:20Speaker 10

Yeah, it has to be primed because you scraped it off and then painted.

22:24Speaker 22

But I haven't gotten to it yet. I can't lift the five gallon one.

22:28Speaker 10

I understand that. I'm just going by what you said, though. His pictures showed it to look worse than what it is. It doesn't.

22:36 – 22:49Speaker 22

It does look worse, yes, because I scraped it. So I made the patches. I made them worse, of course. But it has to be scraped off before I can actually prime it. And I already have the prime, and I already have the...

22:49Speaker 23

Were you getting it ready for your friend to come over and... Yeah, I already paid for his... You already paid for that service?

22:57Speaker 22

Yeah, I paid. No, I don't want to pay. He's going to help me. But I did pay for his Greyhound bus.

23:05Speaker 23

I'm sorry, say that again?

23:06Speaker 22

Greyhound bus ticket. I did pay for that.

23:08Speaker 23

You paid for his ticket over. Okay.

23:10Speaker 22

So he can come over. I'm hoping that he will actually come.

23:14Speaker 10

If they can do it for free...

23:17Speaker 22

Yeah, because he has helped me. I helped them too. I used to live in Minneapolis, and he used to be my landlord.

23:25Speaker 10

That'll help you, yeah.

23:27Speaker 15

You said you paid for his ticket over. What's the date of his ticket?

23:32Speaker 22

I'm hoping that he will come up in two weeks, and this is going to be like the 3rd.

23:37Speaker 15

But did you say you bought his ticket to come here? Yeah. What is the date of his ticket?

23:42Speaker 22

I sent them money so he could get tickets.

23:44Speaker 15

Oh, you sent him money to buy the ticket.

23:49Speaker 10

Can you call him to confirm when he's going to come?

23:52Speaker 22

Yeah, he said that. I keep in touch with him.

23:54Speaker 10

I know, but you keep saying you're hoping. That's not knowing.

23:57Speaker 22

No, I did. I spoke to him only last night.

24:02Speaker 23

So you sent him money for him to buy a ticket to come over, but you have not confirmed the date as to when your friend is going to be coming over to help you?

24:11Speaker 22

I believe that he already purchased the ticket for the third.

24:14Speaker 23

He already purchased it?

24:16Speaker 22

I believe so, yeah.

24:16Speaker 23

You believe so, okay.

24:18Speaker 22

I don't have something to mention.

24:19Speaker 16

When are you thinking you'd like to extend the compliance date and maybe give them an extra 30 days?

24:23Speaker 23

Maybe September.

24:25Speaker 16

We'd be okay with that.

24:27Speaker 8

That's what I wanted to hear. All right. Thank you. Any other questions from the board?

24:32Speaker 12

I just want to clarify. So if he scrapes, paints the site and then the gutters and stuff, that'll take the whole thing?

24:37Speaker 16

Places all the defective wood and outside pieces and gets it painted and then you have a new component.

24:41Speaker 12

You understand that, Mr. Johnson? Yeah.

24:44 – 24:55Speaker 22

I believe that I can do all the painting, but I don't know how to do the woodwork. So that's why I need him. I need Kevin to do that. I don't know how to do that.

24:55Speaker 23

Now, what happens if it delays? Would you be in contact with the inspector and let him know?

25:00Speaker 8

I could. All right. Any other questions from the board? All right. May I have a second motion?

25:11 – 25:37Speaker 15

I move to enter an order requiring the respondent to correct the violation on or before September 1, 2026. Is that what we're doing? Yes. Yes. If the respondent does not comply by that date, the board may order a fine of $150 a day per day per violation for each day each violation continues to exist. If fines and fees remain unpaid three months after such lien is filed, the city is authorized to foreclose, collect, or settle such lien.

25:38Speaker 8

Have a second. Second. All in favor? Aye. All opposed? Motion carries. Thank you.

25:46Speaker 19

Thank you, sir.

25:51 – 26:15Speaker 8

Next on our agenda, number 3.6, case 108-26, find respondents Hugo Paz Mateos and Anahi Mejia at 405 North Highland Avenue in violation of code for exterior storage. and issue an order with compliance deadline and fine if compliance is not met. Is there anyone here to speak on this case? Inspector Casman, you have the floor.

26:19Speaker 10

Give it a second.

26:24 – 28:35Speaker 26

Second. Second, Daniel. Good afternoon, Board. Daniel Casman, Code Enforcement Inspector for the City of Clearwater. This is case number 108-26 for 405 North Highland Avenue. There's one violation here for Code Section 3-1502, G1, G2, and G3 for exterior storage. These are the dates and notes the violation went out with the compliance date. I also did have to post the property with the affidavit of posting. Just give it a second. There we are. So this is 405 North Highland Avenue. As you can see in this first photo, there's some concrete bags, some construction materials. in the front of the porch there. Another striking thing that drew my eye to the location was the pile of pallets that was sitting out front. The person there seems to be pretty handy. There's a lot of tools outside. They were also looking to install a new driveway seam, but there was no permanent system. There was a bunch of wood, a bunch of pipes also being outdoors. This was the day of the posting. The pallets were still there. The same items were outdoors. It was after the compliance date after the posting, same items again were still outdoors. Someone did call me from the property and ask what they needed to come to compliance. I explained exactly what had to happen. But when I went back today, it was some improvement. I can see behind some makeshift fence they have, they do have piles of tires and buckets in the backyard too. The situation up front on the porch has definitely improved, but there's still gas cans, buckets, looks like some drywall and some laundry detergent sitting outside. And they did clean up most of the pile of pipes and wood, but they left a bunch of rebar just there adjacent to the new driveway they're putting in. So, appliance meant for the exterior storage by removing from the grounds of the property all items not meant for outdoor use such as pallets, pipes, construction materials, tires, buckets, and other miscellaneous items. And requesting for case number 108-26, request of compliance on it before July 24th, 2026, or a fine of $150 per day per violation for each day the violation continues to exist.

28:36Speaker 10

Daniel, I just have one question for you. Does the exterior surfaces cover that boarded-up window?

28:43Speaker 26

The boarded-up window was another case. And I don't know if you noticed in one of the last pictures, they removed the board from the window.

28:50Speaker 10

No, I didn't see that.

28:52Speaker 26

I might have gone too fast. The truck is also kind of blocking that window that you're seeing right here.

28:58Speaker 10

That's the same window?

28:59 – 29:10Speaker 26

Yes, if you go back to a previous picture. It was boarded up, but they at least removed the board, which was an easy fix. The rest of it is just putting everything else away. Okay, thank you, Dan.

29:10Speaker 15

It also looked like in one picture there's no pavers, and then all of a sudden there's pavers, but they're not.

29:15Speaker 26

That's being addressed by a separate case for installing a driveway with no permit. Okay.

29:22Speaker 23

Now, you mentioned you spoke to someone this morning. Did you know?

29:25 – 29:46Speaker 26

I'm sorry. It wasn't this morning. It was a few weeks back. Someone had called me, someone from the residence. They claimed they lived there, and I tried to explain to them, this is what you need to come into compliance. Every construction material, everything that doesn't belong outdoors needs to be indoors. You can't have all these items outdoors. And so there was some improvement, but it's just not where it needs to be still.

29:47Speaker 10

Not in all areas. No.

29:51Speaker 23

I mean, it is improving.

29:53Speaker 8

Any other questions from the board? May I have the first motion, please?

29:58Speaker 10

Mr. Chairman, I look to find the respondent in violation of the code as referred to in the affidavit in this case.

30:06Speaker 8

May I have a second? Second. All in favor? Aye. All opposed?

30:12 – 30:47Speaker 10

Motion carries. I have a second motion, please. Mr. Chairman, I move to enter an order requiring the respondent to correct the violations on or before July 24, 2026. If the respondent does not comply by that date, the board may order a fine of $150 per day. per violation for each day that each violation continues to exist. It finds that these remain unpaid three months after such a lien is filed. The city is authorized to foreclose, collect, or settle such a lien.

30:48 – 31:34Speaker 8

May I have a second? Second. All in favor? Aye. All opposed? Motion carried. Thank you, Inspector Kessler. Our next case, item on the agenda 3.7 is withdrawn, 3.8 is withdrawn, 3.9 is withdrawn, 3.10 is withdrawn. Item 3.11. Case 113-26, find respondents William Meisner Jr. and Megan Pettengill at 2967 Kenilwick Drive North in violation of code for short-term rental and issue an order with a compliance deadline and fine if compliance is not met. Is there anyone here to speak on this case?

31:34Speaker 14

This is the letter. They sent the letter because they couldn't hear.

31:38 – 32:13Speaker 8

I think that's 3.1. i hope the letter is for this one the letter is this one yes all right so i have it um oh correct okay good so um for the record we have a letter that was submitted by the owners uh who are not in town on the letter at the end of the day the gist of the letter is that it requests a lien reduction however that is not apropos to the business or what we're looking at today.

32:14Speaker 13

I believe they're requesting a lower fine amount than what the city is requesting.

32:19 – 32:30Speaker 9

I got you. I think they think that the fines have already started from the day of the violation. They're not realizing that it doesn't start until there's an order.

32:32 – 32:48Speaker 8

I would defer to counsel, but Just as a general statement, in my experience, the most appropriate approach is to hear the case, make an adjudication, and if at some point the owner wants to address fines, then they can do that in a lien reduction.

32:49 – 33:00Speaker 13

I think it will be a little clearer once I give my presentation. We are not seeking running fines. We're seeking a single flat fine for something that's already been completed that can't be cured. She's seeking a lower single fine.

33:01Speaker 8

Well, let's hear the case then. It'll make more sense when I get through it. Thank you.

33:05 – 35:24Speaker 13

Good afternoon, board. Sarah Green, code compliance manager for the city of Clearwater. This is case number 113-26 for 2967 Kennewick Drive. There is one violation here for an illegal short-term rental and a violation of the development code. This violation was sent and posted on 5-4, and the certified mail came back unclaimed. The reason why this is a little different than normally when we bring short-term rental cases, we're looking towards... ones that have their minimum stay like an Airbnb set to like seven days. So normally what our care for that would be, you need to update your listing to be the monthly minimum compliance. In this case, this one and the next one that I'll be presenting after this, these are properties that I've had multiple complaints in from neighbors. Essentially, we've never been able to observe them having their monthly minimum set to anything but monthly. So for all intents and purposes, when we looked at it, when the complaints came in, it said monthly. However, after multiple complaints, we came through, and the evidence I have in here is that they have reviews that say people stayed for a six-night and a seven-night stay. So that would be in violation of the short-term rental code. Ordinarily, our violations are for not having the monthly minimum. Set by a 2nd portion of the ordinance is that you cannot have evidence of overlapping states of less than monthly. So, in this case, our evidence here is this is our website is what we use to track short term rentals. It snagged that there were 2 documented stays in March of 2026. And here in the States, a little hard to see, but here it says it stayed for seven nights in March, 2026 from a Jason V and a Valerie R stayed for six nights in March of 2026. Now, if you see in the letter, I have spoken at length with Mrs. Pettengill. We've had previous cases where they did update the minimum listing. So she was aware of the short-term rental ordinance. However, as you see in the later one, she is not disputing the fact that she is in violation of the ordinance due to the fact that she wasn't aware of that. even though it wasn't advertised as a short-term rental, she still had people pay to short-term rent. So like on the back end, basically someone reached out and requested to stay for a shorter term and they allowed them to pay for it. So that's why the reviews are there for the shorter term. It makes it really hard to track down and keep track of short-term rentals. But in this case, she does not dispute the fact that there was short-term rentals. Her request is for a lower fine amount than what the city is requesting.

35:24Speaker 10

Inspector, can I interrupt? Absolutely. Is this her first or second offense?

35:30Speaker 13

Technically, this is a first offense, the first, but this is, I think, my fourth short-term complaint, but this is the first time. On this particular person? Yes, on this particular property person.

35:39Speaker 10

So really, technically, we've gone beyond the first offense.

35:42Speaker 13

Well, for legal purposes, this is the first case that's made it to court board.

35:48 – 36:26Speaker 13

So there is no compliance actions taken. This is an incurable violation that happened in the past. So there is nothing to comply with. So what stays requesting is a one-time fine for the two documented overlapping stays in March of 2026 for the six day and the seven day stays that are documented. We're seeking a fine of a hundred dollars a day for a total fine of $1,300. So when you, if the board agrees and you go to make your motion, this will be slightly different than what you normally say. Cause we're not asking for recurring fine. It would be the city is requesting a one-time fine of $1,300 payable within whatever the board would like to request. Otherwise, then you would read the rest of your script.

36:28Speaker 14

Okay, so to clarify, she's requesting that lien be reduced?

36:32Speaker 13

She's requesting less than $1,300 is what I gather from the letter.

36:36Speaker 14

And what does the city say about that?

36:39Speaker 13

We're requesting $1,300.

36:42Speaker 15

Is that a normal amount of money that you would request from something like that?

36:46 – 37:00Speaker 13

Generally speaking, for most violations, especially first time, we pick $150 a day recurring. In this case, she did reach back out. We spoke about it. She accepted fault. I thought it was fair to do $100 a day. But obviously, the fine is ultimately up to the board to set.

37:02Speaker 19

Mr. Salzman, can I confer with you for a second about the fines? I just want to check a reading of the statute to see if you agree with me or not. I was just perusing it as we were going over this case. Stand by, Sarah.

37:14 – 37:26Speaker 15

Can I ask you a question? Absolutely. You said that this was the first time that she's been... caught doing it, and so this is the first time. But has anybody ever reached out to her before about the other ones?

37:26Speaker 13

I have spoken with her multiple times over the years regarding this.

37:28Speaker 15

So how come we don't see that, but it's never been brought up here before?

37:34Speaker 13

The first case, when this initially came through, I basically spoke with her. I gave her a compliance date that complied within the compliance date. So it never made it to a board hearing, because they did voluntarily comply.

37:43Speaker 13

The other times, it was more of the neighbor says they're short-term running, but I don't have any evidence. of short-term renting. So unfortunately, it's a no violation case for us if I have no evidence.

37:52Speaker 10

Yeah, I was wondering why. That's a good question.

37:54 – 38:08Speaker 13

So this is the first one that's made it to the board. Traditionally, we are looking to prevent further short-term rental. But in this case, this is a property that has been reported multiple times. And this is the evidence that we have. So this is what we're seeking.

38:08Speaker 10

So if it happens again, Inspector, will it be a second offense? I believe it would be a repeat violation, yes. OK.

38:13 – 38:33Speaker 8

So to clear my understanding on it, you had cases before on this property for the same thing, but it never made it to the board? Correct. All right. So would it be fair to say that the owner of the property was informed and knew what the rules were, so to speak?

38:33 – 38:47Speaker 13

I believe the misunderstanding is that she did not have the monthly minimum set to below monthly. So she thought it would be OK to have people say as long as it wasn't advertised as monthly. So there's lots of interpretations.

38:48Speaker 10

I think this $1,300 fine should wake her up a little bit. If it happens again, it's going to be much more.

38:57Speaker 12

What was their daily rate of return?

39:00Speaker 13

I'm not sure off the top of my head, but I imagine more than what we're requesting.

39:05 – 39:59Speaker 19

And Sarah, I do apologize for this because I was getting familiar with the statutes again this morning because I haven't looked at them in a while since I'm back in business over here. But I do think we might want to consider modifying our request here. Since this is a first violation, the statute says that we have to set a fine for an amount specified in the section for each day the violation continues past the date set by the enforcement board for compliance. So they would have to set a compliance date and then the file would go into effect after that since this is the first violation. So what I would recommend that we modify our request to be is to look for a declaration of violation here. Unfortunately, I don't think we can go back and look for a fine for what's already been done for those particular days at this point. So sorry about that. Me and Mr. Salzman were just speaking about that because he was a little bit mixed up as well, but that's what I would recommend to you at this time.

40:00 – 40:33Speaker 8

So I have a question then for Mr. Salzman, and would that mean that an appropriate action? I'm sorry, yes. Would it, based on... Mr. Matt, I'm sorry, I don't remember your last name. Matthew Minich. based on council's recommendation or his origination and reading of the law there. Would it be appropriate for us to continue with this or prefer not to hear it or give it back to the city and ask them to modify their request?

40:34 – 40:55Speaker 11

Well, we would expect the request to be a declaration of violation so that there's established, in case there's a repeat, which can go up to $500 per day. The statute requires you to make a finding and then give it a chance for people to come in compliance. So that's what Matt and I were talking about.

40:55Speaker 8

All right. So it would be appropriate for us to do a first motion in rule? Yes.

41:01Speaker 11

Declaration of violation, they're in compliance as far as we know right now.

41:06 – 41:19Speaker 13

Is that something that you've done before? We have seeked violations and found in our favor previously for cases like this, but I will defer to counsel.

41:19 – 41:31Speaker 8

Okay. So we would be making our standard declaration of violation. Counsel, we would be making our standard declaration of violation. All right. May I have that motion, please?

41:31 – 41:53Speaker 14

I move to find the respondent was in violation of the code as referred to in the affidavit in this case. The violation was corrected prior to today's hearing and to enter an order that no fine be imposed. If the respondent repeats the violation, the board may order a fine of up to $500 for each day the violation continues to exist.

41:53 – 42:22Speaker 8

I have a second. Second. All in favor? Aye. All opposed? Motion carries. Mr. Salzman, do we take any further action on this in terms of assessing the fine that's been requested? No further action. Okay. And then just for my own education, if I may, what happens at this point? Does the city bring back a request in the future for the fine? Only if there's a repeat violation.

42:22 – 42:54Speaker 11

okay very good and then that could be 500 per day the difference is on the repeat violation if you establish the dates that they were in violation you don't have to give them a time period to come in compliance so exactly how they proposed this if it was a repeat violation you could have gone five hundred dollars per day for each one of those days So that is significant. This is basically a one-time shot. You were found in violation. You didn't, you know, you need to make sure you don't do it again. Very good.

42:55Speaker 15

Thank you. So if your system finds it again for that thing, then we can fine them $500 a day. Okay. All right.

43:01Speaker 10

Well, this litigant just logged out.

43:03Speaker 23

Yeah. Luck was shorty on their side.

43:06Speaker 8

All right. So I believe that that's all we're doing with this case then. Yes, sir. All right. Thank you, Inspector.

43:12Speaker 13

I have an expletive.

43:13 – 43:58Speaker 8

say again i have the next one too okay um i'm looking at uh item agenda 3.13 has inspector maddox on are you covering for him uh 3.12 so it is all right agenda item 3.12 case 114-26 fine respondents eric and amanda erhart at 819 lantana avenue in violation of code for short-term rental an issue in order with the compliance deadline and fine if compliance is not met Is there anyone here to speak on that case? Sir, come forward, please. Sir, would you come to the podium and give us your name and address in relation to the property?

43:58Speaker 7

One second. Were you sworn in, sir?

44:01Speaker 8

Yes, at the beginning, yeah.

44:02 – 44:18Speaker 18

Thanks for that. Sure. Bob Burge, and I live at 814 Narcissus Avenue in Clearwater Beach. We just wanted to, kind of from a homeowner standpoint, when we bought our property, we did our homework. We had been on the beach before. We moved into this new property.

44:18Speaker 8

I'm going to interrupt you, sir. I'm going to interrupt you so that we can follow our standard process. Sure. Okay. What's your relation to the property? Are you a neighbor?

44:28 – 44:46Speaker 8

Okay. Very good. What we typically do, our process, is we're going to hear from the inspector once we get your information, so on and so forth. And then once we've heard from the inspector, we'll invite you to give us additional information, and then we'll proceed. All right. Thanks. Thank you very much.

44:47Speaker 13

Board, this is the same scenario as the last one, so seeing as how we got a declaration of violation for the last case, that's what we'll be seeking for this one as well, if you'd like to hear from the neighbor before we give that order.

44:56Speaker 8

All right, thank you very much. That was short and sweet. What would you like to share with us, sir?

45:04 – 47:42Speaker 18

Okay, well, thanks. Kind of from a homeowner's standpoint. So we had bought our property on Narcissus Avenue, having been another part of the island. and saw that you know what short-term rentals can do there's there's you know the good and the bad that goes with that so we did our homework there was no short-term rentals anywhere around where we where we live so that's it was a big part of our decision and if you look at the the costs involved those are you know big financial decisions for families so it wasn't long when we got in there we could the property behind us you could tell what was happening there. And it's very easy to spot. I mean, people come in on a weekend, then they leave. You look at the license plates, they're from all over the place. Different people, different, you know, and then the noise, the late at night. You know, if you're typically at midnight on a Wednesday, it's a quiet area, but not always. And that's how the short-term rentals sometimes can pop up. So we, in talking to a variety of neighbors, people were getting very, very upset. And we had contacted the city here. And I did want to make a comment about I think the work that Sarah Green does is very, very commendable and very much appreciated. So she did her job. And what we're finding on these short-term rentals, because my wife then does the inspector role of her own, these ads are placed for 30-day rentals. And there's certain days of the week for two or three hour period they change it and guess what it's such an in demand that people will fill it up then and then it's changed back to 30 days and there's a there's a whole game on the different sites on how they can beat beat the system so um you know the from our perspective we've never we've met the homeowners once and that's been two or three years ago and i think it was and then they got hit by the storm so um there's these From our view, there's these violations clearly occurring, and I think just from the previous violation, I think there's a big difference on the money that's flowing on the rentals on the beach versus that last example that you had. Thousands of dollars are coming in, so I know when you mentioned a $500 a day fine, it does take fines with some substance versus a fine. $130 fine, if I'm bringing in thousands of dollars a day and thousands and thousands of dollars a week, I don't care. But I think you also got to keep in mind the homeowners and the people around that are being impacted by these clear violations of that. And so all we're looking for is peace and quiet, and we're very thankful for this process. That's it. Any questions?

47:43Speaker 8

Yes, sir. Sure. How long have you been observing this?

47:48 – 49:25Speaker 18

This coming March, we will have been in this property four years in March coming up, and it was pretty quick. I mean, it was within a couple months it got our attention, the different people coming in. And, again, we've got kids and grandkids. The first thing they do is go to the pool, and our pools are right behind each other. And we don't mind that. I don't know. kids are playing at all, but when it's in violation of code and it's being done, and then they're looking at ways to get around the code, and then we're discovering what those are. People are sending me now examples. People are doing reviews. of these properties that are 30-day properties. They're doing reviews. Hey, we had a great time on Airbnb reviews. We had a great time on our three-day stay this weekend. I mean, the evidence is real obvious. These are not residents. These are in violation, and they're not 30-day minimums. So we appreciate what you guys do, and any other questions? Sure. Yeah, Bob, have you been able to talk to your neighbor about this? No, because they're never there. I mean, that's the problem. Okay. So, and then we do, you know, we do, you know, you hate to be like creepy, but, you know, you look at the cars and the driveway and it's just different all the time. It's very, very obvious. And then my wife went online and she said, here's what's happening. These are in such demand because the dollars that flow are in the thousands and thousands of dollars that if you get on and you change the 30 days to a daily fee, People are going to come on during that, you know, they find out when the high traffic time is for Airbnb or the hundreds of other sites, and then they can beat the system. And that's what we're trying to do.

49:25Speaker 10

Do you know if your neighbor who rents these out, he or she lives out of town or out of the state? I don't know that.

49:33Speaker 18

I don't know that. I don't see a none from Inspector. Sarah might know that, yeah.

49:36Speaker 12

What was your name again?

49:37Speaker 18

Last name is Burge, B-I-R-G, Bob Burge. Burge, okay.

49:43 – 49:55Speaker 8

Any other questions for Mr. Burge? I have a couple for the inspector. Thank you, sir. I appreciate you coming. Again, thanks to all of you. Thank you, Mr. Byrd. So when did this case first start?

49:57 – 50:21Speaker 13

This is another one very similar to the last case where they've had multiple complaints over the years, but I was never able to catch it being less than monthly. This case specifically started in May, actually just a couple weeks after the previous one, which is an odd timing for two in a row, but there you go. I sent the notice, was sent and posted on May 12th, and this one had four documented stays, two in April, two in March. So we're seeking a declaration for it now.

50:22Speaker 8

All right. Council? Based on our previous one, I just want to clarify and make sure we're just doing a standard violation.

50:30 – 50:43Speaker 11

Standard declaration. Declaration. And first and second motions? No. First motion. It's a motion finding in violation, but corrected prior. So it's a declaration of violation.

50:43Speaker 8

Well, that brings the question, has it been corrected? Okay. All right. So we're doing the same thing we did on the last case? Yes. All right. Very good. May I have a motion, please?

50:53 – 51:12Speaker 12

I move to find the respondent was in violation of the code as referred to in the affidavit in this case. The violation was corrected prior to today's hearing and to enter an order that no fine be imposed. If the respondent repeats the violation, the board may order a fine of up to $500 for each day the violation continues to exist.

51:13 – 51:40Speaker 8

I have a second. Second. All in favor? Aye. All opposed? Motion carries. Thank you, Inspector. All right. Next item on our agenda, 3.14, Case 116-26, Fine Respondents, Victory 888, Inc. How about Case 3.13? Did I miss another one? Yes. I did. All right. Let's do 3.13. Okay.

51:40Speaker 10

Thank you, Mr. Engel. You're welcome.

51:42 – 52:01Speaker 8

Case 115-26, find respondents SCI Pelican Walk LLC at 486 Poinsettia Avenue in violation of code for outdoor cafe permit. And issue an order with the compliance deadline and find if compliance is not met. Is there anyone here to speak on this case? Inspector Maddox, you have the floor.

52:02 – 54:59Speaker 25

Good afternoon. Kevin Maddox, Clearwater Code Compliance Inspector. This is for case number 115-26 for 486 Poinsettia Avenue. This will be a little bit different than what you've heard before. This has to do with an outdoor cafe seating permit that's expired. In recent months I've been working with a whole lot of business owners who are required to have this permit when you have seating in the right of way owned by the city of Clearwater for liability purposes. Somebody gets hurt and needs to go to the owners. So this is code section 3-909C6 for an outdoor seating cafe permit that is expired. Notice the violation was sent and posted on April 2nd, 2026 compliance date by five, six of 2026 and the green card was not received back. This just shows that at this location here is the seating that does in fact exist and requires a seating permit. This is something they do for an entire year and as soon as about the end of September they have to get it renewed. So this along with about 30 odd other businesses are getting these permits. This just shows the posting. This also shows that as of today that they did not have a permit. This is our Acela computer showing there's no permit yet. And it has to go through an application process with zoning. Today, I took this picture because in the end result, you can either get a permit or remove all of this. It is still in existence. Compliance can be met for the outdoor cafe permit required by contacting the City of Clearwater Zoning. The phone number, apply for the updated or update your permit, have it successfully approved and paid for. Compliance can also be met by removing all tables and chairs and material from the City of Clearwater sidewalk right away. for 115-26 requesting compliance honor before July 24th, 2026, or a fine of $50 per day for each violation that this continues to exist. The $50 is requested instead of the 150 due to the nature of the very small cost of a permit. So $50 was agreed upon. Inspector, have you been in touch with the owners about the permit? I have never gotten anyone to contact me, although I tried. And to open the door, you had to remove this because I put it across the door so that you had to see it. And no one's called you or anything? No, and they have not contacted Zona.

55:00Speaker 8

That's unusual. Would that be interpreted to mean that they've not applied for a permit?

55:06 – 55:20Speaker 25

Uh, I have had to weekly stay in touch with zoning to say, and there's also a spreadsheet that we communicate with. Uh, and I've said, I'm about ready to go to code board. Have you had any phone call, any activity? No.

55:23Speaker 10

And they've been renewed year after year, but yet they didn't this year.

55:26 – 56:14Speaker 25

Um, this is something that from my understanding, uh, Start it up again to make sure that these are all in compliance and permits. And as I've been contacting every single person on the list, there's a lot of, of course, they don't want to lose their seating. And so they get right on it and get the application filled out and pay the permit, which is very minimal. And the business is open? To my understanding, yes, it is. Okay. How's the announcement? It might be a restaurant that opens at 4 o'clock about the time I'm going home. So I don't see people there, but there's a lot of night restaurants on the beach as well.

56:14Speaker 10

Yeah. Well, I'm sure it's still open. They would move everything back inside.

56:22Speaker 25

That's the two different ways that you could do it. Yeah.

56:25Speaker 15

Okay. I'm sorry. You said something about September?

56:29Speaker 25

Once you create a permit. Okay. It's good for a year. At the end of September, they're all required to redo.

56:36Speaker 15

So it hasn't gone in violation yet, or it's been in violation since last September?

56:41 – 56:56Speaker 25

It's been in violation. I believe the last permit that was at this location was a prior restaurant. And then as they came into this location as a tenant, they never obtained a permit.

56:58Speaker 10

So you want compliance by July 24th, right?

57:01Speaker 25

Yes, which would, in that one month, would give you time to walk in, fill out an application, and pay a fee. Gotcha.

57:10Speaker 19

So then no matter what, if they get a permit, it's going to expire in September of this year? Is that right? Correct. Okay. Is it the same price no matter what? I don't know.

57:20 – 57:34Speaker 8

Let me clarify. No. Okay. Sorry. There is no permit in place now. It's a new business, did not obtain a permit. If they get a permit now, are you saying that it expires in September and they'll have to renew it then? I'm a little confused.

57:35Speaker 25

It's not an expiration as such. It's more of a renewal of the current permit.

57:41Speaker 25

The permit cost is, I believe, less than $100. It's probably $35 to $50.

57:48Speaker 8

So much like a business tax receipt, you have an annual renewal? Yes. Okay. And Rebecca has something to offer?

57:58 – 58:37Speaker 2

Hi, Rebecca Mulder, not my assistant director of planning and development. I just wanted to clarify if you had any questions specific to the actual outdoor cafe process for getting approval through our planning department. I can clarify any of those questions specific to that process, but it is much like the business tax receipt process in which you have to get permission because it's on our right away. We need to vet that there's insurance for safety purposes. We need to ensure the seating location layout is approved annually and then there is a nominal fee that they pay associated with that.

58:37Speaker 23

I have a question. He mentioned that that regulation itself was paused for a while and then now it's picked up?

58:46 – 59:58Speaker 2

It's always been a requirement of the city or at least since I think the ordinance went through in 2019, somewhere in that 2020 as a response to allow, um, business owners in the downtown area and beach area that have the ability to utilize the right away during COVID. Wins to provide outdoor seating or spacing things like that. So it was an adopted around that time night 2019 2020 and So it's been over these requirements have been in place and we've worked with the business owners over these last several years and there's been some there's been a lot of outreach over those years to work with those business owners to ensure that they get into compliance and stay in compliance and so the we try not to have to take the business owners to code board and have given more than grace more than enough grace along the last several years we're getting to a place where we've set an expectation of compliance and we're starting to move forward with that if they don't okay thank you yeah thank you

59:59Speaker 9

I have a question. Is the permit required of the tenant or the property owner?

1:00:05 – 1:00:16Speaker 25

Ultimately, it's the parcel owner. I mean, the tenant would be the one applying for it. The parcel owner would be responsible for this failure.

1:00:17Speaker 15

So who gets the fine?

1:00:20Speaker 25

The parcel owner.

1:00:22Speaker 15

And we haven't been able to get a hold of the parcel owner?

1:00:25Speaker 25

Everything's been posted as required, and no, I have not received anything from the owner.

1:00:33 – 1:01:01Speaker 9

Is there a requirement in the application for the permit that there be some representation that the property owner is aware of the application and that they agree to it? I don't understand. If I'm the restaurant and I apply for a permit, is there anything in the permit that requires knowledge and agreement of the property owner? I don't know.

1:01:01Speaker 19

The answer is yes. The property owner has to sign off.

1:01:03 – 1:01:19Speaker 8

Okay. And if I'm not mistaken, when you send notice of violation, that goes to the property owner? Yes. And if the property owner gets that and is aware of it, then with that data they can call the tenant to discuss to handle it, correct? Correct.

1:01:19Speaker 13

Ultimately, property owner's responsibility for the activities that occur at the property, regardless of whether there's a tenant or not.

1:01:25Speaker 11

I bring all code cases against the property owner. That's the only one you can get compliance on.

1:01:31Speaker 10

Mr. Saltzman, am I allowed to ask the name of this restaurant? Yeah, I think it was.

1:01:36Speaker 25

It was in the picture. It's Soul Mediterranean, I believe.

1:01:40Speaker 10

Soul Mediterranean.

1:01:41Speaker 25

S-O-U-L. Thank you.

1:01:43Speaker 8

Any other questions from the board?

1:01:45Speaker 15

I guess just when you sent the violation, did you send it to the address of the violation or the address of the owner?

1:01:50 – 1:02:10Speaker 25

All violations are sent to the address of the parcel owner in... Pinellas County property appraiser. So whatever's listed for that specific address. In this case, it's a very large building with many tenants, but it still goes to the same address for the parcel owner.

1:02:11 – 1:02:22Speaker 23

So from what I am gathering, the parcel owner did have this permit prior to this particular tenant being in there, correct?

1:02:22Speaker 25

The prior tenant.

1:02:24Speaker 23

The prior tenant had a permit.

1:02:30 – 1:02:46Speaker 25

To the knowledge of the owner, I don't know. I'm just stating what had happened a couple years ago from the prior tenant. That's why the seating still remained there, but the new tenant, Sol, did not obtain a permit for the outdoor seating cafe.

1:02:47Speaker 14

Okay, thank you. Just to clarify, if a tenant wants to apply for a permit through the city, the owner has to give written permission on the permit or else the tenant cannot apply?

1:02:58Speaker 19

Yes, property owner's permission has to be obtained. Just like any kind of development application that you have with the city. You've got to have the property owner sign the permit.

1:03:05Speaker 8

Right. All right. Any other questions? May I have a first motion, please?

1:03:11 – 1:03:44Speaker 9

I move to find the respondent in violation of the code as referred to in the affidavit in this case. Second. Second. All in favor? Aye. All opposed? Motion carries. May I have a second motion, please? I move to enter an order requiring the respondent to correct the violations on or before July 24, 2026. If the respondent does not comply by that date, the board may order a fine of $50 per day per violation for each day each violation continues to exist. If fines and fees remain unpaid three months after such lien is filed, the city is authorized to foreclose, collect, or settle such lien.

1:03:45 – 1:04:21Speaker 8

May I have a second? Second. Chair Greg Musil. Second. Chair Greg Musil. All in favor? Aye. Chair Greg Musil. All opposed? Motion carries. Thank you, Inspector. I'm next. Chair Greg Musil. Yes, sir. I see that. Item 3.14, Case 116-26, Fine Respondents Victory 888, Inc., at 60 Farhart Street, in violation of Code for Outdoor Storage, an issue in order with a compliance deadline and fine if compliance is not met. Is there anyone here to speak on this case? Sir, come forward, please. Chair, were you sworn in?

1:04:21Speaker 3

No, I wasn't.

1:04:23Speaker 8

I just came here a little while ago.

1:04:25Speaker 7

If you'll just raise your right hand. Do you swear a firm to tell the truth throughout your entire testimony?

1:04:30Speaker 8

Thank you, sir. Can you give us your name and address in relation to the property?

1:04:33Speaker 3

I'm the tenant. My landlord urged me to come in today. I told Kevin I wasn't going to.

1:04:40Speaker 7

Could you just state your name?

1:04:42Speaker 3

Chris Steiner. Christopher Steiner. Thank you. I'm the tenant.

1:04:47 – 1:05:09Speaker 8

my landlord's up in new york so i just had a couple two questions to get clarification on how to remedy it and make sure i don't get any warnings in the future okay before we go there um we're going to follow our procedure we're going to go in here from the inspector and let him tell us what he knows and then we'll have you back up sir thank you inspector maddox

1:05:10 – 1:05:27Speaker 25

Kevin Maddox, Clearwater Code Compliance Inspector, case number 11626 for 604 Hart Street. There's one violation for 315-03-B6 outdoor storage. Notice the violation was mailed.

1:05:28Speaker 10

This started in- Inspector, what was that address you just said? 604 Hart Street. Okay.

1:05:37 – 1:06:56Speaker 25

I started working with this back in January, but the first notice of violation was February 10th of 26. Notice of violation was posted on 4-24 of 26, compliance date by 5-7 of 26, and I'd been interacting with Chris, the tenant, so things had started to progress but then failed, so it continued into a notice of violation. The green card was not received back. This is the backyard of the house. A couple different pictures from April 24th. This is the front of the house where the notice was placed. From the side of the house, there's an empty lot to the left as you're looking at the house where you can view more of this in the back. This was on the 7th of May. Nothing had changed and it seemed to have increased in the amount that I had seen there. This is around the side but this is in the back as of today. If I can get it to click forward. I'm just waiting on the slide.

1:07:06Speaker 10

I don't know if I got to click out of it or what.

1:07:13Speaker 15

Are these pictures from today?

1:07:15 – 1:07:32Speaker 25

These two are today. OK. I'm clicking, but I'm not getting anywhere.

1:07:35Speaker 23

And that's all in the back of the house?

1:07:38Speaker 10

There you go. So we're talking a junkyard here.

1:07:46Speaker 15

Is it an apartment building?

1:07:48 – 1:09:39Speaker 25

I believe there's three apartments. This appears to... There's a stairwell in the back, and the tenant can tell you otherwise. But I believe there's access to the top floor, which would be the second apartment or third apartment. I just wasn't really sure how many were in there. Compliance can be met by clearing all discarded and unused materials, junk, construction. I don't exactly know what all of it is underneath the sheets of plastic. I had been told that some of it was plants, others. But in the pictures, I can see a lot of just trash and junk that should not be in a backyard and would be considered an outdoor storage problem. Would you trap rodents and other critters? Yes. It would invite quite a bit of problems in the area. Requesting compliance for exterior storage on or before July 24, 2026 or a fine of $150 per day for each violation that they continue to exist. As an added note, I did receive a phone call a couple days ago from the owner who's in New York and I asked him to contact the tenant and turn on the video and see what you saw. As of today, I was on the phone with him. He didn't seem to understand what was truly going on, so I sent him the pictures that I took today in his e-mail today, and he said he was on his way to Florida on a flight to address the issue. I don't know what he was going to do. I just know that he was due to be coming down here to handle it. Well, thank you for sending him the pictures. Yeah.

1:09:44Speaker 8

Okay. Thank you.

1:09:47Speaker 10

Thank you, Inspector.

1:09:49Speaker 8

Mr. Steiner? What would you like to tell us about all this?

1:09:59 – 1:11:11Speaker 3

Well, I don't want to say too much. I mean, you could see in the photo there's a shed that's built and another shed that I told Kevin yesterday that, well, I'd updated him. I've been updating him about building these two sheds, possibly a third, under 100 square foot, I understand, to be in compliance with having to get a permit. And, you know, so I updated him yesterday. I had one shed built, and you could see that on the right side of the screen. photo for today and the other one I have the plot laid out. I couldn't get to it building it because of technical issues. I just had a couple questions just for clarification and wanted to know if there's a limit to the number of outdoor items that are in good working order that can be kept outside. I'm mainly concerned about bicycles. They need to be covered so the lubrication doesn't rinse off in the rain. And the ball bearings for the wheels and the crankshaft so that they don't need to be repacked with grease before you ride them again. You can strip the bearings if you don't repack them with grease if they are exposed to the rain.

1:11:12 – 1:11:41Speaker 8

Understood. Those types of questions as far as what you can do and you can't do are not in our purview. Our job here is to take a look at what's been going on and make rulings on that. In terms of what you can do and what's appropriate and what's not appropriate and what's required for compliance, I would ask you to speak with your code enforcement officer about that to gain an understanding of what needs to be done and get clarity on that. And with that, you should be able to accomplish what needs to be done. Okay.

1:11:42Speaker 10

Mr. Steiner, we're talking more than bicycles here. I have a bicycle. I keep it inside. But we're talking a lot more than bicycles in that yard.

1:11:51 – 1:12:04Speaker 3

Right. Absolutely. You've got mountains. That's why I got the sheds. Yeah. I have three sheds and one is built or almost built. That's the one you saw. I just haven't put the roof on it. And the back wall.

1:12:05Speaker 10

Then you haven't built a shed. If you have no roof, there's no shed. Why would you not put a roof on it?

1:12:14 – 1:12:41Speaker 3

In a hurry to build the second shed, but like I said, I had technical problems. A drill bit broke yesterday. These sheds have holes that are misplaced, so you have to drill your own, and my drill bit broke yesterday. So I couldn't build it in a hurry to try to prepare for today's meeting and hopefully get everything squared away, but that's why I'm trying to hurry. You didn't see in the photo of the other plot where I have the shed laid out or the lumber laid out.

1:12:41Speaker 10

We could see that because of everything else.

1:12:45 – 1:14:12Speaker 3

Oh, I'd be glad to show you, but it's not important. We already seen it. We just saw it. Okay. Well, I guess in my case, since you can't answer my questions, I would just ask for continuance until July 24th and considering that I called again this morning to code enforcement, found there's no limit to the number of, I'd be glad to play the recording The code enforcement's saying there's no limit to the number of outdoor items that can be covered. So I have been in a misunderstanding here with a lot of... I know there's this organization, but I've been in a misunderstanding, and right now it is in a state of upheaval because I was trying to build the sheds in time for approval before this meeting today. And I was also told this morning that there was a case for the coding prohibiting disorderly... the term disorderly and could not provide me the code, I asked the code enforcement officer or inspector to get back to me on that as well as a question of limits to the number of outdoor items. I was told yesterday by Kevin that you can have outdoor table, but this is just one example of trying to understand the code. Kevin told me I could have an outdoor table, just not many of them. I would like to know if I have many bikes. Is there a limit? I asked the code enforcement officer to get back to me. Is it as to the discretion of the inspector or is there a threshold in the code?

1:14:13 – 1:15:14Speaker 8

Not to interrupt you, but those issues should be addressed with the code enforcement officer and the building permitting It's all good data and I don't necessarily want to cut you short, but those items are not for our review or understanding or anything else. It's our job to look at what you have there and help guide this thing in a direction so that it can get corrected for everybody. Any questions you have about what you can have outside, how many sheds you can have, What's permitted and what's not permitted in that entire process in terms of getting in compliance and understanding that can be gained by talking with Mr. Maddox, your code compliance officer, and then again the building department. So I would steer you in that direction. What the city's asking for here is they're requesting compliance on or before July 24th. The question I have for you is, I think you said earlier, do you think you can get your sheds done by then and get stuff cleaned up? Is that correct?

1:15:15 – 1:15:33Speaker 3

if I understand how to remedy it, because I do have the bicycles and some other items that are for outdoor use. Clearly, they're for gardening and other things outdoor, other outdoor use that I have that are in good working order and good shape. They're clean. Got you.

1:15:33Speaker 10

So in other words, you can't.

1:15:36Speaker 10

In other words, you can't comply by July 24. That's what you really say.

1:15:42 – 1:16:27Speaker 3

I believe I can. I have three sheds. I would like to save the expenditure of time and money so I can understand how to not have a violation again. I just got a seven-day notice from my landlord and he believes that I have been put in violation now, which means that if I get a second, I will not have a second seven-day notice. He can instantly evict me. And so I would like to understand the situation, or if you'd just like to give me until the 24th, and I'll do my best to understand, as I have in the past, because I never would have put things under tarps if I had any suspicion that they would have not been allowed. And I want to know if there's a limit, like I said.

1:16:27Speaker 10

Did the code inspector explain that to you?

1:16:31 – 1:16:45Speaker 3

Yesterday, again, I was told yesterday that there's a limit to outdoor tables I could have, and those are not covered. So I want to understand what the limit is. And of course it looks awful now. I don't want it this way.

1:16:47Speaker 15

Can I ask you a question?

1:16:48Speaker 3

I'm in a hurry at the moment.

1:16:49Speaker 15

It's an apartment building, and there's multiple people who live in it, or is it just you who lives there?

1:16:54Speaker 3

I'm on the top floor, so my entrance is through the back. I know it's not presentable for guests either, so that's why I don't like it.

1:17:02Speaker 15

Well, if there's many people who live in the apartment building, then everybody should have...

1:17:06 – 1:17:23Speaker 3

be able to use the backyard is it all your stuff back there i'm uh given the backyard and the neighbor downstairs gets the side here okay so it's all your stuff basically right and you're responsible for all of it essentially correct okay all right fair enough

1:17:24Speaker 23

How many sheds are you planning to build to cover for everything that you have in this backyard?

1:17:31 – 1:17:49Speaker 3

Well, I have two. I have the one that's built. I have the other one that you might have seen in the photos. I can show you the receipts. The other one is in boxes, mostly in boxes that was propped up against the back wall of the building this morning. So there's two boxes that comes from there.

1:17:49 – 1:18:07Speaker 23

Now, if I have my dimensions right with these sheds without having a permit, because there's a size, if I'm correct, if I'm wrong, I don't believe all that stuff you have there will fit in those sheds that you plan on putting there. So what are you going to do with the remaining of the things that won't fit in the sheds, or do you plan on putting... X amount of sheds?

1:18:08 – 1:18:21Speaker 3

Well, either it has to or it gets thrown away or sold, but there is a lot of empty space underneath the tarps because I'm an online merchant and I pull things out to sell and I don't reorganize, so there's a lot of space under the tarps.

1:18:22Speaker 10

But all your sheds don't have rows, right? Oh, yes. All your sheds, they do. A while ago, you said they did.

1:18:29Speaker 3

They do. I just haven't done the first. I haven't completed the first shed, like I said, to hurry to get here.

1:18:35Speaker 10

Then all your sheds don't have roofs. If you haven't completed them.

1:18:40Speaker 8

I may have roofs. All right. Board, I'm going to step in here as chairman.

1:18:45Speaker 10

No, wait a minute. I have a right to ask that. I'm confused. First, you built sheds. Do any of them have roofs?

1:18:53Speaker 3

Well, they have them. I haven't assembled a single shed completely yet.

1:18:57Speaker 10

Then they have them, but they're not assembled.

1:19:01Speaker 3

It'll take me about a day and a half to do a shed. to do with the next shed, and then if I need the third one. That's where I was getting at.

1:19:09Speaker 10

Yeah, no sheds, okay.

1:19:10Speaker 23

So three sheds.

1:19:11 – 1:19:29Speaker 8

Excuse me, Board, I'm going to step in here. I think we've spent enough time on this one in terms of our job here is, I mean, we can ask a number of questions to gain a deeper understanding, but I think we've got enough data here to make motions and rule on this and move on. We have other cases to hear, and so I don't want to step on anybody's toes necessarily, but I think we can move forward.

1:19:29Speaker 10

We just want clarity, Mr. Chairman. Thank you. I appreciate that.

1:19:34Speaker 3

Thank you for your consideration.

1:19:36Speaker 8

May I have the first motion, please?

1:19:41Speaker 23

I move to find the respondent in violation of the code as referred to in the affidavit in this case.

1:19:47Speaker 8

Second. All in favor? Aye. All opposed? Motion carries. May I have a second motion, please?

1:19:53 – 1:20:20Speaker 23

I move to enter an order required to the respondent in order to correct the violations on or before July 24th. If the respondent does not comply by that date, the board may order a fine of $150 per day per violation for each day each violation continues to exist. If fines and fees remain unpaid three months after such lien is filled, the city is authorized to foreclose, collect, or settle such lien.

1:20:20 – 1:20:38Speaker 8

Can I have a second? Second. All in favor? Aye. All opposed? Motion carries. Thank you for coming today, sir. Thank you. Thank you, Inspector Maddox, for that one. Next case, 3.15 on our agenda, according to Madam Secretary, has been withdrawn.

1:20:41Speaker 7

Yes. Yes. All right.

1:20:42 – 1:21:03Speaker 8

Thank you. Number 3.16 on our agenda, Case 118-26, Fine Respondents Brigadoon Clearwater Homeowners Association, Inc. at 4400 Brigadoon Circle. In violation of code for exterior surfaces, an issue and order with a compliance deadline and fine if compliance is not met. Inspector, you have the floor.

1:21:03Speaker 20

Good afternoon, Board. Jared Daniels, Code Inspector for the City of Clearwater.

1:21:13Speaker 8

Is there anyone here to speak on this case?

1:21:15Speaker 14

So we have someone.

1:21:18Speaker 20

No, this was for the, this, I believe you were here for the previous case, which has been with. All right.

1:21:40Speaker 8

Excellent. Well, sorry you had to sit through all that just to find it out, but thank you for coming. I'm glad we made it interesting for you. Thank you for coming.

1:21:49Speaker 20

All right. Good afternoon, board. Jared Daniels.

1:21:53Speaker 4

You will be sent something in the mail, yes. Oh, no.

1:22:05 – 1:23:46Speaker 20

Good afternoon board. Inspector Daniels code compliance officer for the city of Clearwater case number one one eight dash two six four four four zero zero Brigadoon drive. It's one violation at this property for exterior surfaces. Three dash one five zero two dot B. The notice was sent out 4-8-25 with a compliance date of 5-21-25, and the certified mail receipt came back 5-2-25. If you look in the pictures, just a lot of rotten wood around the gazebo at the pool area. These was the original pictures. This was after the compliance date. They did just get a new HOA president in February. I just found that out once I posted the property. And I talked with the property management company and they're working on getting it fixed. So compliance can be met for the exterior surfaces by replacing any defective structures and decorative elements of any building wall and ensure all exterior surfaces are free of mildew, rust, loose material, and fading of pill and paint. Requesting compliance on or before August 1st, 2026, or a daily fine of $150 per violation if it's not in compliance.

1:23:48 – 1:24:18Speaker 8

inspector have you uh spoken about your timeline with the uh anybody at the hoa as far as your requested date yes yes well like i said when i talked to the property manager uh yesterday i informed and she said it will be done by the first of august very good questions from the board no all right may i have the first motion please

1:24:19Speaker 15

I move to find the respondent in violation of the code as referred to in the affidavit in this case.

1:24:24Speaker 8

We have a second. Second. All in favor? Aye. All opposed? Motion carries. May I have a second motion, please?

1:24:32 – 1:24:55Speaker 15

I move to enter an order requiring the respondent to correct the violations on or before August 1st, 2026. If the respondent does not comply by that date, the Board may order a fine of $150 per day per violation for each day each violation continues to exist. If fines and fees remain unpaid three months after such lien is filed, the City is authorized to foreclose, collect, or settle such lien.

1:24:56Speaker 8

I have a second.

1:24:58 – 1:25:47Speaker 8

All in favor? Aye. All opposed? Motion carries. Thank you, Inspector. Item 3.17 has been continued. Item 3.18 has been withdrawn. Item 3.19, Case 121-26, find respondents Ms. Nana Zellick and Marco Zellick at 908 Evelyn Avenue in violation of code for oversized vehicle parking and issue an order with a compliance deadline and find a compliance is not met. Is there anyone here to speak on this case? Sir, please come forward. Sir, I believe you were sworn in, were you not? Yes. Okay. Can you give us your name and address in relation to the property?

1:25:48Speaker 1

My name is Philip, and I'm the owner of 908 Allen Avenue. Okay. And last name? Zellick. Thank you.

1:25:54Speaker 8

All righty. Thank you, sir. We're going to hear from the inspector, and then we'll call you back up to see what you have to tell us.

1:26:15Speaker 12

Where is the full screen?

1:26:24 – 1:28:06Speaker 17

Gotcha. Thank you. Andrew Hobbs, Code Compliance Inspector 1, case number 121-26 for 908 Evelyn Avenue. One violation, Code Section 3-1407A4 for large commercial vehicles. Notice of violation was sent 319. It was lost in transit, so I sent it certified again on 428 as well as posted the property. The original compliance date, 422, was updated to 512. The second certified mail came back 511. This was a citizen complaint. The citizen who filed the original complaint stated that the truck had been parked on the property every night Usually after 6 PM, then the truck leaves early in the morning. The complainant sent pictures on these dates of the truck in the driveway overnight. Those are all listed here. This is the truck in question in the driveway May 4, 618. We have discussed the measurements on the truck. So I had gone out and measured 84 inches from top to bottom is allowable. It was at least 100 inches from the top of the truck when I measured it. This was this morning. The truck in question is right there in the driveway, but this other large truck was there as well. Here's the truck that we are, the one that I measured, the one that's in question. Is that a commercial truck? Yes.

1:28:07Speaker 15

Are they the same company on both trucks?

1:28:10 – 1:28:41Speaker 17

They are not, um, the United air conditioning truck, um, has been the pictures that were provided by the neighbor. There are pictures of that truck, both trucks in the driveway. Um, so I believe they're both owned by the property owner. Uh, compliance can be met for violation by removing all large commercial vehicles from the property request compliance army floor seven, seven, or find $150 per day. each day the violation exists.

1:28:46Speaker 8

Thank you. Questions for the inspector?

1:28:50Speaker 15

Is this for both trucks or just the first truck?

1:28:54 – 1:29:19Speaker 17

The two trucks were part of an original case back in December, and then the trucks disappeared. We had actually spoken in person back then. Trucks disappeared, I closed the case, and then all these emails started coming in from a neighbor. So I had to reopen the case, and then our hand was forced after that. I hadn't seen the large truck there in quite some time, and it just happened to be this morning.

1:29:20Speaker 10

And then neighbors say it's primarily after 6 p.m. they're showing back up. Yeah.

1:29:26 – 1:29:38Speaker 8

Inspector, have you spoken with our representative here today recently? Yeah, yeah, we've spoken. Explain to him what the violation is.

1:29:38Speaker 17

Yeah, I mean, we had spoken about it, and I offered Code 4 as an option to – say his piece and he wanted to come.

1:29:46Speaker 8

Okay, excellent. All right. Sir, what would you like to tell us?

1:29:54 – 1:31:37Speaker 1

Okay, so I am the owner, I'm not the owner, but my responsibility is the truck in the driveway. There's the forest there. The big truck is responsibility of my brother. So we both live together and we both do air conditioning and The big truck, we know the whole situation started with the big truck. And we removed the big truck from the property. It just happened to be there this morning, but it's not there every day. Inspector said, it hasn't been there for like six, seven months, since December. Last night, my brother got late with the job, so he was forced to park there just for six hours overnight, and he left by seven in the morning. So that truck, I agreed to the inspector, and we removed that truck from the property, the big truck that was there in the... But the other truck is a responsibility by me. So to be able to do this job, I need transportation to work. And I don't have any other choice except to use that truck that the company gave me. Like I said, I talked to the inspector, and the truck I pulled in all the way to my driveway. It's not in front of anybody's house. And I would just like the inspector to mention that I talked to the neighbors who sent the complaints, and we talked about the truck that is there every night, which is mine. And they sent a letter to the inspector that is saying that it doesn't bother them anymore after I talked to them.

1:31:39 – 1:32:19Speaker 8

I appreciate that. I will tell you that our standard is, and our reference point on all of this, when we look at these things and make whatever decisions we make, is whatever's in the, our reference point is the code, the building code and the state statute and so on and so forth. And so it's our duty and obligation to follow that. I understand that your neighbors may have a problem, but that's not the standard by which we conduct our business. And while I sympathize with you about your work situation and everything else, The code is the code, and it's there for a reason, and so on and so forth. So we're bound to follow that. We have questions or comments from the board?

1:32:20Speaker 10

I think it's in reference. I think the problem is size of your truck. Is that right? And the overall size of it.

1:32:30 – 1:32:53Speaker 13

Good afternoon, Sarah Green, Code Manager. The parking code does reference for between the principal structure and the right-of-way, so in this case, can you hear me? In this case, between the principal structure and the right-of-way, that would be the driveway. You're not allowed any commercial vehicle which measures excess of 20 feet in total chassis, body length, seven feet in total width and height. So that would be the issue. It's a commercial vehicle over seven feet in height.

1:32:53Speaker 10

So that exceeds those dimensions, okay. You understand that, Mr. Zell?

1:33:00 – 1:33:37Speaker 1

Yes, I understand. And that's why we wanted to actually measure the truck with the inspector. And the truck has not exceeded the width or either the length. It's only the height. The height. Which that's the reason why, and I talked to the inspector, if we would go all around Clearwater, we can find so many commercial vehicles that are higher than seven feet. I'm not starting anything, any case. But even in my neighborhood, there's been some other situations where people have trucks higher than seven feet. And my truck and I really need to get this sold, because I don't have any other option.

1:33:39Speaker 10

We understand, yeah. But unfortunately, your case this morning is here, not the others.

1:33:44Speaker 12

Right. Correct.

1:33:46Speaker 1

Say that again?

1:33:47Speaker 10

It's your case that's here.

1:33:48 – 1:34:07Speaker 1

Yeah, it is my case. i'm just trying to solve the problem you know but i'm saying yes so that's still out of bounds for the code right i understand it is yeah that's why in our in our world the i mean we're

1:34:08 – 1:34:32Speaker 8

As Mr. Engel said, we're bound by the violations, the height of the truck, and that's established, and that's our reference point. Again, while I might sympathize with you, your needs and your work situation, and the fact that you don't have a solution in place, we're still bound to base our decision on what the code says. And the fact that it's now before us, that's what we do.

1:34:33Speaker 10

And until that code is changed, we have no choice.

1:34:38Speaker 1

I mean, I talked to the inspector and I don't know if he mentioned if there's any way to make some kind of, how would I say? Exception?

1:34:49Speaker 14

Accommodation?

1:34:49 – 1:35:26Speaker 1

Exception, since the truck is not, I understand the truck is, you know, it's not like I'm trying to bring anything huge and I'm trying to do something. It's one foot over, it's about eight feet up, the court is seven feet. So I want to see if there's any, exception that we can do to get this resolved. And I would like, so in order to this, I would like to bring up again a letter that the neighbors will complain to send to the inspector for the truck that's been driving. They said it doesn't bother them and that one is fine.

1:35:28 – 1:36:22Speaker 8

Understood. And I would defer to counsel, but I don't believe that that is a valid argument for making an exception based on. And in terms of exceptions, I know inspectors have latitude in terms of whether or not they bring a case. In our experience, when inspectors have worked with various property owners in resolving issues, sometimes they will delay bringing the case. But when it's time for them to bring it, then they bring it. And unfortunately, once it's before us and it's on our agenda, it's up to us to make a ruling and deal with the case. Any time for exceptions or doing something before it comes has now passed. And so it's our job to look at this thing and determine whether or not there's a violation there. And then number two, make a ruling on something being done with it. And that's the position we're in as the board. And our hands are tied. We have no latitude on that.

1:36:22 – 1:36:54Speaker 1

So the reason why I'm mentioning the ladder from the neighbor is because, like I said, there's tons of vehicles in Clearwater Highland 7 feet. And when I say that, I talk to the inspector, and as long as there is no complaint, those vehicles are fine. In my situation, I understand the neighbor complained. And if I talk to the neighbor, if I resolve the problem with the neighbor, and he doesn't complain, can we do any... Was it exception? Exception, because the neighbor is not complaining anymore.

1:36:54Speaker 8

No, sir, we're beyond that.

1:36:56 – 1:37:09Speaker 10

Mr. Tucker, you're not realizing, you say there's tons of others, probably are, but they're in violation too. That's true. They're just not the force. They just haven't been caught yet, you know. Exactly.

1:37:09Speaker 19

You said you're trying to sell it, right? You said you're trying to sell the truck?

1:37:14 – 1:37:31Speaker 1

No. No, you're not. The truck I use for work, it's not my truck. It's a company truck. And they let me use it to take it home, since I don't have my own car, to use it as transportation. Can they give you a shorter truck? That's a good question. Ask them.

1:37:32 – 1:38:05Speaker 8

That's a good question. I think for our purposes, again, I understand that you're looking for an exception, but we're not in a position to do that. The case is before us, and it's like you can be driving down a fast highway where the speed limit is 60 miles an hour. Everybody's doing 80. Everybody's violating, but it's probably only one or two people that get caught. But that does not eliminate the fact that everybody else is in violation. The fact is, your case is before us today, and because of that and because it's on our agenda, we're obligated to make a ruling on it and make a decision on it.

1:38:05Speaker 23

Is it that you need more time to get maybe a different transportation coordinated?

1:38:11Speaker 1

Or with your employer.

1:38:14 – 1:38:31Speaker 1

Well, I tried to do, you know, to get a different transportation means to me to buy another vehicle. To go to break of that, which is not an easy, it's not a. You know, I don't know when I will be able to afford that.

1:38:31 – 1:38:58Speaker 23

Well, I mean, in this situation, that's your only option right now, right? Unless you you're able to remove the truck by July 7th, if you're not able to do that, but you are in the works of getting a transportation coordinated. then maybe as a council we can talk about maybe extending the due date on it, right? But if you're not giving us any options on maybe some type of transportation that you can get other than the truck itself.

1:38:59Speaker 19

Yeah, if you're going to look to sell it, they might want to give you more time, long story short.

1:39:03Speaker 1

Yeah, I definitely need more time.

1:39:06Speaker 10

Does your company even know that truck is in violation?

1:39:11 – 1:39:35Speaker 1

Well, they know, but as you know too, most of the commercial vehicles are higher than seven feet, so we don't have much choice. I don't have much choice to work with them. I'm thankful for them to letting me, you know, using that so I don't have to, I don't know, buy another vehicle to go to bring it back. So company-wise, I can't really do much.

1:39:37 – 1:39:49Speaker 15

Is there anywhere else that he can park the truck on the property that is... Like sometimes you can do it behind a fence that's like, you know, like if you have an RV that's so big or a boat.

1:39:49 – 1:40:00Speaker 1

The truck has been parked all the way to my driveway, and it doesn't, like I said, since the length, it's not exceeding, so it's not even blocking the sidewalk.

1:40:00Speaker 8

Well, again, sir, that's not the issue. The issue is your truck height, and that's what we're here to rule on. Yes. I believe Mr. Plum has a suggestion.

1:40:09Speaker 12

I think we move on with a motion for 8-1-2026 for him to give him time to get something sorted out.

1:40:16Speaker 8

Okay. Inspector, do you have anything else to add on everything you've heard before we motion?

1:40:23 – 1:41:08Speaker 17

I mean, we discussed options. This was kind of like our last meeting. I actually wanted to see if you guys could come up with something. We talked about it. I'm like, can you leave it at Home Depot right there off of Druid? It's off Druid. E-bikes, whatever. We talked about it, and I'm just like, I mean, the code's the code. I don't have anything else to suggest. I'm like, it is what it is when you boil it down all the way. What do you think about extending the compliance period? It's not hurting me. I mean, take what time you need. I don't know. This has all gotten to this point because of the emails that I was getting from neighbors and the complaints.

1:41:10Speaker 8

You said neighbors. Is that more than one neighbor?

1:41:13Speaker 17

They were funneled through one person, but she had stated that she had talked to others, and they had mentioned it, so she became the...

1:41:26Speaker 8

So we don't know if that's true or not. All we know is they came from one source and potentially there were complaints, but that's nothing we can verify or that we can take as fact. I only know what I'm told.

1:41:35Speaker 15

But she did send you a letter.

1:41:37Speaker 17

Yeah, I have emails and pictures of stuff she had been sending me. She's not here, so I can't show up.

1:41:43Speaker 23

But you did receive the letter, like Chelsea was saying, about rescinding?

1:41:46 – 1:41:58Speaker 17

She had called me and said that. He had gone down and spoke to everybody and said that it was OK. And I'm like, that's great, but I can't just make the truck smaller. A letter doesn't make the truck smaller. Right.

1:41:59Speaker 8

It doesn't meet the standard of compliance with the code, which is our job to determine.

1:42:05Speaker 17

I think he had mentioned taking air out of the tires to make it smaller.

1:42:07Speaker 1

I'm like, as long as it can roll, I don't know.

1:42:12Speaker 19

And maybe you can hide it, like, at Walmart or something, like in the parking lot.

1:42:17Speaker 8

I believe you'll create yourself a different violation for a non-operating vehicle. You're going to have to get a smaller truck.

1:42:24Speaker 9

Board, are we ready to proceed on this?

1:42:27Speaker 8

Yes. All right. May I have the first motion? Mr. Engel? Oh, sure.

1:42:33Speaker 10

I move to find the respondent in violation of the code as referred to in the affidavit in this case. Second.

1:42:40Speaker 8

All in favor? Aye. All opposed? May I have a second motion, please?

1:42:45Speaker 10

I move to enter an order requiring the respondent to correct the violations on November 4th, July 7th, 2020. I mean, I'm sorry, August 7th.

1:42:58Speaker 8

It's whatever date you want to pick.

1:43:02Speaker 10

That's August 7th. Yeah.

1:43:04 – 1:43:33Speaker 10

OK. Let's see. On the 4th, August 7th, 2026, if the respondent does not comply by that date, the board may order a fine of $150 per day per violation for each day. Each violation continues to exist. If fines and fees remain unpaid, Three months after such lien is filed, the city is authorized to foreclose, collect, or settle such lien.

1:43:33 – 1:43:44Speaker 8

Can I have a second? Second. All in favor? Aye. All opposed? Sir, I'm sympathetic to your case. I wish there was more we could do to help you, but our hands are bound by it.

1:43:44Speaker 1

The reason I talk, I thought that you guys had more power to make any decision. We can't change the code. We can't change the code.

1:43:52Speaker 10

We gave you extra time. That's all we can do to try to get straight now.

1:43:57Speaker 1

I make a complaint about every vehicle that is over seven feet. I want each vehicle to be removed from the property as mine will be.

1:44:04Speaker 10

That's not up to us. That's up to the inspector.

1:44:08Speaker 8

Understood. And I understand your concern. But at the end of the day, I don't know that that will move in the direction of solving your situation there.

1:44:18Speaker 10

And you're not going to do that anyway.

1:44:23Speaker 8

Thank you for coming to speak to us today.

1:44:24Speaker 10

We appreciate it.

1:44:25 – 1:44:44Speaker 8

I sympathize with you. I wish there was more we could do, but we're bound by whatever the code is. If you want that changed, then I would encourage you to talk to somebody who's in a position that can change that code that offers more latitude and helps you with your situation.

1:44:44Speaker 10

Talk to your company about another truck or go buy something else yourself.

1:44:49 – 1:45:23Speaker 8

Have a good day. Good luck to you, sir. Appreciate you coming in. Agenda item 3.20, case 122-26, find respondents Nick Cheversian and Octavia Cheversian. at 3113 San Mateo Street in violation of code for trailer parking and issue an order with a compliance deadline and fine if compliance is not met. Is there anyone here to speak on this? Inspector, you have the floor.

1:45:25Speaker 17

This property is now in compliance. We're just seeking a declaration of violation.

1:45:30Speaker 8

All right. Very good. Can I get a declaration?

1:45:34 – 1:45:55Speaker 14

Yep. I move to find the respondent was in violation of the code as referred to in the affidavit in this case. The violation was corrected prior to today's hearing and to enter an order that no fine be imposed. If the respondent repeats the violation, the board may order a fine of up to $500 for each day the violation continues to exist.

1:45:55 – 1:46:49Speaker 8

I have a second. Second. All in favor? Aye. All opposed? The motion carries. Thank you. All right, that completes our new business items. We're going to move on to old business items. Agenda item 4.1, case 122-25. Consider request by petitioners William Reese at 1390 South Hillcrest Avenue to reduce the fine regarding residential rental business tax receipt, and if approved, issue an order that specifies a fine that includes administrative costs, administration costs, and establish the date payable. The lien will revert. to its original amount. Is there anyone here to speak on this? Yes, ma'am. Please come forward. Okay. Could you tell us your name and your address in relation to the property?

1:46:49Speaker 6

Yes. April N. Cloyd. I am William Reeser's real estate agent and I sold him the property at 1390 South Hillcrest.

1:46:58 – 1:48:33Speaker 6

the rental agent no no i sold him the property and then there was a different agent that handled these rentals so okay and um when was the property purchased property was purchased in 2023 mr reese had plans of spending the rest of his days here in florida unfortunately he had a very ill parent in illinois that he had to go back and take care of they passed away unfortunately and the property um He couldn't have two mortgages, so he decided to rent it. He consulted with the property manager, and the property manager advised that a short-term rental would make him more money and that it was legal. Mr. Reese didn't do his due diligence, which he should have done. and you know was not made aware of the fine i guess there was a citation placed on the door the property manager did not let him know about um when he found out about the violation in march they terminated their agreement um and the tenant was removed and it hasn't been a rental since then um he was only made made aware of the fine um or the per diem you know that had been accrued three days prior to closing on his house, which I sold, which was on the 12th of June when the closing statement came out and there was a $10,000 excess fine. And he was very upset about that. So he's asking for leniency from March 31st to June 15th when the house was sold to reduce that fee.

1:48:34Speaker 19

Would you say your relationship is to this gentleman again?

1:48:36Speaker 6

I'm his real estate agent.

1:48:38Speaker 18

Okay. We have a letter.

1:48:39Speaker 19

We do have a letter. Okay, I was about to say that. Wait a second.

1:48:42Speaker 6

Yes, he's in Illinois still taking care of his other parent. Just checking. To clarify. I'll get up there and talk. Yes, he asked that I be here today.

1:48:50 – 1:49:15Speaker 8

I'm sorry. To clarify for the record, we have a letter that gives the approval authority to represent the owner. All right, just want that on the record. Okay. So he's in Illinois. Yes. He purchased the property in 2023. Correct. And then he leased it out?

1:49:17Speaker 8

He purchased it in 2025?

1:49:18Speaker 6

No, he purchased it in 2023. He lived in the property until 2025 when his parent got ill.

1:49:25Speaker 14

And I have a question. Yes. You said that he found out about it in March and had the, unless I misunderstood, and had the tenant removed?

1:49:32Speaker 6

In March 31st, yes. The tenant was removed.

1:49:34Speaker 14

But he was not aware of the lien at that point?

1:49:37Speaker 6

No, he was not aware of the lien until three days prior to closing when the closing statement was released by the title company.

1:49:42 – 1:49:54Speaker 14

Right, I understand that part. I'm a real estate broker too. Yeah. But the question is, how did he find out that the leasing agent was doing short-term rentals?

1:49:55 – 1:50:08Speaker 6

I'm not sure if the leasing agent told him after the fact because they were getting complaints or what the situation was. I wasn't privy to that. I just know that he found out in March, and that's when it was terminated, and it was not a rental since the day that he was made aware of that.

1:50:09Speaker 14

Okay. Thank you.

1:50:11Speaker 8

All right. So can you give us the date when he was informed, when he received notice? Do you have any idea what?

1:50:20 – 1:50:47Speaker 6

He never received any formal notice that was apparently made aware to the property manager, which didn't relay how serious the situation was. And he just said, you know, we can't do short-term rentals, but if we get a longer-term tenant in there, it'll be fine. So they put somebody else in there for a 30-day. Instead of a 1-7, it was more of a 30-day. And then I'm not sure how he was made aware that that was not also allowed. And so March 31st is when the agreement with the...

1:50:48 – 1:51:01Speaker 8

property manager was terminated and the tenant was removed okay and and forgive my misunderstanding i was thinking in terms of short-term rental but this is for a residential Rental.

1:51:01 – 1:51:28Speaker 13

Board, I think I can give some clarification on this. I believe when these cases first came to the board, it was a combo short-term rental and lack of business tax receipt for the rental. They did comply with the short-term rental portion, but they never got their business tax receipt. So that's when the fine started was for that specifically, not for both the short-term rental and the BTR. So the fines that you're looking at today are specifically for not having a BTR. A BTR has since been applied for and approved.

1:51:29 – 1:52:09Speaker 8

Okay. Okay, thank you. so it's that would tell me that if if that btr still in force or still valid that it's in compliance but there was a period of time where it was rented without a business tax receipt and it's for that period of time that business tax receipt did not exist at this line that's fine pertains to okay all righty um Joe, I wish we could get more data on exactly what occurred regarding notice, dates of notice received. What was done to correct it?

1:52:09Speaker 14

As far as the business tax receipt?

1:52:12Speaker 12

What address is on file for the ownership of that property? Does anybody have the Pinellas County property?

1:52:18Speaker 13

I don't know off the top of my head, but we would have been sending notice to whatever is in Pinellas County property appraiser.

1:52:23Speaker 7

Sorry, Board. The notice was the address listed was the property address for his mailing address. So all the mail went to the address listed on the agenda.

1:52:33Speaker 12

So he got it versus the property manager.

1:52:35 – 1:52:47Speaker 7

It looks like most of the mail was returned to me. as unclaimed. I'm going through the file. But that's probably why he didn't get the mails because he had this address as his mailing address.

1:52:48 – 1:53:28Speaker 8

Well, he would have been, for lack of a better term, double insulated in the fact if the notices went to the property address, you've got a tenant there. Did the tenant forward them? And then you also have the property manager in between that was contributing to and or creating was a part of that violation and so it's it's understandable to me how he might not have received notice however that does not alleviate the fact that you know there was a violation there um and he's aware that the violation is in fact and he wants he's a very much a role follower he just

1:53:28Speaker 6

You know, he wants to try to get a little bit of leniency from that March 31st date until June 12th, or June 15th, rather.

1:53:35Speaker 14

So he's asking the lien be reduced from $10,850 to $7,500? Correct.

1:53:42Speaker 8

Well, I have a question about that before we, because I'm looking for, is the lien reduction, is that the amount too, or is that the amount of the reduction?

1:53:52Speaker 6

The $7,500 would be the reduced amount.

1:53:55Speaker 10

That would be $3,350.

1:53:58Speaker 6

Correct. Yes. So he's willing to pay the $7,500, but.

1:54:03Speaker 8

He's willing to pay the $7,500?

1:54:04Speaker 6

Well, he's asking if we can reduce it to whatever the March 31st date is until the June 15th date, whatever that.

1:54:12Speaker 19

So the new fine would be $7,500? What's that? The new fine would be $7,500. Correct. Okay.

1:54:17 – 1:54:35Speaker 15

Per this form, the desired lien reduction is $7,500, which would be the reduction from the current lien amount. So what he would be asking to pay for this would be $3,350. Okay. Yes. Sorry about that. That's fine. Just wanted to clarify. The administrative costs are $1,031.20. $1,031.20. $1,031.20. Which you cannot go below. Right.

1:54:52 – 1:55:18Speaker 8

If it's all right with the board, I'll opine on this for a minute and then look for other input. It would appear to me that I see what the administrative costs are. However, the owner has asked for a reduction to $3,350. I have no quarrel or argument with that, but I will certainly entertain discussion on what the board thinks about it.

1:55:19Speaker 14

I think it's reasonable. I can understand totally why the owner wouldn't know about this.

1:55:23Speaker 8

Chair Greg Musil. Yeah, I can too.

1:55:24Speaker 14

Chair Greg Musil.

1:55:26Speaker 8

Any comments, gentlemen?

1:55:28Speaker 13

I don't have any objections. I have no objections.

1:55:30Speaker 10

Chair Greg Musil.

1:55:31Speaker 8

I'm sorry? Chair Greg Musil. Your decision, we're supportive.

1:55:34Speaker 23

I have no objections.

1:55:35Speaker 8

Chair Greg Musil. All right. May I have a motion then for the, to reduce the lien amount to $3,350?

1:55:46Speaker 15

I put in a motion to reduce the lien amount to $3,350. May I have a second? Second.

1:55:55Speaker 8

All in favor? Aye. All opposed?

1:55:57Speaker 6

Thank you very much.

1:55:59Speaker 8

Thank you for coming. Appreciate you coming to speak with us today.

1:56:03Speaker 12

All right. I believe we have another one here.

1:56:09 – 1:56:37Speaker 8

All right. Next on our agenda, item 4.2, case 196-17, consider request by petitioners William Bassett at 301 Baker Avenue to reduce the fine regarding exterior surfaces and abandoned building, and if approved, issue an order that specifies a fine that includes administration costs and establish the date payable. The lien will revert to its original amount.

1:56:38Speaker 26

Is there anyone here to speak on this? Sir, please come forward.

1:56:48 – 1:58:13Speaker 4

please give us your name and address robert bassett 1871 murfield way you obviously are the property owner all right what would you like to tell us about this i believe this this case fell through the cracks is a very old case i brought the property into compliance with the previous code enforcement officer who was there spoke with sarah she was lovely helped me out spoke with The new Daniel, we had an old Daniel that was in there before, he's no longer there. Apparently what happened is he either quit or whatever happened, he stopped working there, and the case has been dormant ever since, accruing fines. At the time that it happened, the officer, Daniel, argued with me about, in the back, I had the whole house painted, the whole house brought into compliance, but he argued there was what appeared to be a chip in the back of my house up under the soffit And he said that had to be fixed, but it wasn't a chip. It was just where the wood kind of popped out a little bit. Nothing, the home is in compliance and nothing's been done to it from the day that I painted it to bring it in compliance till today. So I feel that we weren't out of compliance. We brought the home in compliance and that the fines should have never been assessed in the first place. Even in his report, the original Daniel stated he was confused about which property it was that was in compliance or wasn't in compliance, and that's in the record.

1:58:18 – 1:58:40Speaker 8

Okay. So can I ask some, thank you, sir, I appreciate that input. Sure. I want to try and clear my thinking on this. Sure. Do we have any data available? about compliance on this property and how long this ran and any data on our end on this?

1:58:41Speaker 12

I can give you a rundown because I looked at this.

1:58:44Speaker 8

Oh, you're the one that looked it up. I looked into this. Excellent.

1:58:50Speaker 12

I took special interest in this because I requested a copy of the minutes.

1:58:56Speaker 12

And you were at the hearing on that day.

1:58:59Speaker 4

No, it was the first time I've been to a hearing, I believe.

1:59:01Speaker 12

Are you Robert Bassett?

1:59:02Speaker 4

I am Robert Bassett. Oh, I was at a, maybe I guess it was in 2017? Yes. Okay.

1:59:08Speaker 12

And you confirmed the code violations at that time in the minutes.

1:59:14 – 2:01:44Speaker 12

So I'm just going to give the board a rundown since I've looked into this matter. So the original order, the affidavit of noncompliance, and the recorded lien in case 196-17 were entered against William L. Bassett Trust and Margaret J. Bassett Trust. which remained the owners of a recording with the Pinellas County property appraiser's office. That trust is still the owner. The lien reduction application before the board was submitted by Robert Bassett individually, and no documentation has been provided to establish that he is authorized to act on behalf of the responded trust. In addition, the application provides no competent evidence of financial hardship and presents no new evidence that would justify revisiting the Board's prior findings, order, affidavit of noncompliance, and the resulting recorded lien. I would also note that Board Member Ingle participated in the original December 20th, 2017 hearing and made the motion finding the respondent trust in violation. While the official minutes and orders speak for themselves, this continued service on the boards provides continuity regarding the history of this matter. I will also point out that the lien reduction application states that the application and supporting documentation are incomplete or inaccurate The application will not be scheduled for public hearing. Based on the information before us today, I do not believe the application provides sufficient information for the board to evaluate the requested relief. Should the applicant wish to reapply, the board would expect documentation, established authority to act on behalf of the trust, a corrected application identifying the proper applicant, and competent evidence supporting any claim hardship. If there is no further discussion, I have a suggestion motion. Okay. Tell me what you want to suggest. My motion, I suggest, would I move that the board deny the application without prejudice. This allows the submission of a new lien reduction application in the names of the William L. Bassett Trust and Margaret J. Bassett Trust, supported by appropriate documentation, establishing authority to act on behalf of the trust, and any hardship information or other supporting evidence the applicant wishes the board to consider.

2:01:45 – 2:03:05Speaker 8

I would concur with that, simply because there's, from my perspective on this, I would like to see more data in terms of, I appreciate what you've brought to us today and your explanation and everything, and your narrative about what you've told us about um the fact that that inspector is now gone so we don't have the benefit of his data the thing i would be interesting hearing about is specifically what the violation was was originally what was done done to bring it in compliance um any data regarding okay is it is it in compliance was it in compliance with a certain date if so when was that Because that would help us understand. And before we go there, I think what we're talking about here is, at the end of the day, suggesting you compile some more data. Rather than argue this any further now, compile some more data that would help us in a decision. so that we're not necessarily ruling today. I believe that's the suggestion that Mr. Plumm has made. And from my perspective.

2:03:05Speaker 12

I'll just point out there's two pages of minutes on that case in the minutes. It's quite well spelled out. OK. Fair enough.

2:03:18 – 2:03:40Speaker 8

That may well be the case that it was in violation. I know that the way the system works when a case is in violation and it's brought before the board and we accept that and rule on it, then the fines start accruing. My interest would be in finding out at what point were those violations corrected? Were they corrected? Board, I can give some clarification on that.

2:03:41 – 2:04:20Speaker 13

I can give some clarification on that. This case was originally heard in 2017, and the affidavit of noncompliance was filed in February of 2018 after... it wasn't corrected um generally speaking when violations happen like this we don't go out and re-inspect it for a you know re-complying it unless we're prompted to by the property owner in this case in 2024 i believe it was a previous inspector shelby brown went through the old lien list and went through and checked some of the liens that we had occurring that were like long-standing years old ones and this is one of the ones that she went out and re-inspected and complied out so it was complied and i believe 2024 but i need to clear check on Actually, I think I have it on me.

2:04:23Speaker 13

October 2024 is when we complied it. So the property is in compliance at this point for all the violations.

2:04:28 – 2:04:54Speaker 8

That's one good piece of data. The question I have is that if it was found in compliance and then not, there wasn't anything done until 2024, I understand at that point it was ruled to be in compliance. But during that period of time, If there was an earlier point than the 2024 date where it was in compliance, then the question I have is, is it appropriate to assess fines for all of that time? Nobody knew that it was in compliance.

2:04:55 – 2:05:10Speaker 13

Yeah, generally speaking, that's why we have this lien reduction process, is if someone, basically, they didn't realize they had fines occurring, whatever the reason, they have a chance to come back in, make that case before the board. At this point, the city, the property's in compliance. The city has no objection to reducing the fines.

2:05:12Speaker 15

Can you tell us when you brought it into compliance?

2:05:15 – 2:05:49Speaker 4

I brought it into compliance at that time. I was arguing with the officer at the time. His name was Dan. He no longer works for you guys. But we were arguing about that little chip in the back, and it wasn't really a chip. It was painted. I brought the entire house into compliance at that time. And the reason he didn't cure it was because he said that chip was up there. Then I called the city attorney at the time, which was Mr. Fuso. Did that name ring a bell to you guys?

2:05:50Speaker 4

I have the email here where he emailed me about- I mean, Mr. Fuino.

2:05:57Speaker 19

Huh? Fuino? His name is Fuino.

2:06:00Speaker 4

Fuino? I have the email here. I don't- I'm trying to pull it up. I had it all pulled up for you. Huh?

2:06:06 – 2:06:35Speaker 12

Robert, I think what the board's trying to tell you is just reapply for your lien. I did. Reapply. This one is not, the applicant should be the trust. And if you're the trustee or you have the legal authority to represent the trust and Pinellas County still has the trust listed as owners, not you. So you had to show us that you have authority and interest in that property through the trust.

2:06:36 – 2:07:24Speaker 4

come back so put all that documentation into your new lien request and show your hardships i understand what you're saying the issue i have with that is the house is currently under contract you know for sale it's being bought by a you know property developer and he's going to renovate the property and flip it sell it you know and i'm under contract I understand what you're saying, but we're talking about the property, you know, not the owners of the property. The property is in compliance and it's going to hold up the sale of the property and we need for that to be sold. And from my perspective, it never should have been out of compliance in the first place because I did all the work to get it into compliance back at the time. So it's going to cause an undue hardship on us with monetary losses if I can't get this cured today.

2:07:25Speaker 15

If you're selling the property, you must have some kind of... Yeah, I do.

2:07:28Speaker 4

It's under contract.

2:07:29Speaker 15

No, okay, so you must have a power of attorney or something that shows that you can... Are you the one signing the documents?

2:07:36Speaker 4

No, it's owned by a trust, and we're going through the title company and everything, doing everything correct the way it has to be. So it's not like...

2:07:43 – 2:08:01Speaker 19

a cash sale where i'm giving you don't hold the title to a house yeah we need those the paperwork showing your connection to the trust and that you're authorized to act on behalf of it that's the missing piece that we don't have right now unless you can produce that of course but i would think that's what i mean yeah i can't i can't at the second i don't think i didn't bring i don't think they're going to want to move forward without that today

2:08:01 – 2:08:26Speaker 4

What is, if I could ask, then what is the ramifications of moving forward? How is there liability on the city by removing a violation on the property itself? What does it matter who is standing here? The house, the property has been cured. There is no violation. Why are you going to hold the lien? based on who's coming here and saying it's in compliance. She said it's in compliance. What is the liability to this?

2:08:27Speaker 19

Because we have to make sure the right person is making the request because if we just had some guy off the street who doesn't really have authority to act on behalf of the property owner.

2:08:34Speaker 4

So it could be anybody.

2:08:36Speaker 19

Yeah, it could be me.

2:08:37 – 2:08:48Speaker 4

Let's say it is. What does that matter? Where is the liability for this board to release the lien based on who's up here asking? I'm Robert Bassett. This has been in my family for 60 plus years.

2:08:48 – 2:09:00Speaker 8

Can I ask a question? Sure. Mr. Salzman, or Mr. Plum, what do you show as the registered property owner on this?

2:09:00Speaker 12

I looked it up. It was Pinellas County List of the Trusts. There's two trusts.

2:09:04Speaker 18

There's the Williams Trust and the Margaret Trust. I'm sorry?

2:09:10Speaker 19

There's two trusts here on property appraisal. I was just looking at that. Mr. Salzman can look at it, too, if he wants.

2:09:16 – 2:09:30Speaker 8

My question is if... the name of the trust is this gentleman's name, is there an implied or implicit authorization authority for him to be able to represent the trust?

2:09:31 – 2:09:46Speaker 11

The question goes to the city whether the city has an objection for this individual to be forward and ask this request. That's the only issue here. If the city doesn't have a problem with it, properly before the board.

2:09:46Speaker 14

And I have a question. Are you a trustee of the trust?

2:09:48Speaker 11

I'm not. My mother is.

2:09:52Speaker 19

So you're not the trustee?

2:09:54Speaker 4

No. My mother is.

2:09:56Speaker 12

Are your mother still alive?

2:09:57Speaker 4

Yeah, she's still alive. It was my grandparents' house.

2:10:00Speaker 12

She needs to apply for that.

2:10:03Speaker 15

Or give you power of attorney.

2:10:05Speaker 12

Yeah. Okay. We're doing all that now. Let's step back for a second.

2:10:08 – 2:10:45Speaker 11

First off... You all can't be given legal advice on how this goes. I let it go a little too far. I'm sorry. That's my fault. The city has to object for this matter to be improperly before you. If they don't object, then it's properly before you, and then you should consider it. This is a lien reduction for a fine that the city has on this. That's the sole issue here. We don't give advice, legal advice. If they're comfortable with having him make this request, that's fine. If they're not, then that's fine, too. Then it should be continued.

2:10:47 – 2:11:02Speaker 19

So, Sarah, I'll leave it up to you. We don't have the proper paperwork here necessarily to prove this guy's connection to be the right party before us to make this request. However, that's just my legal advice to you. The ultimate decision is up to you whether you want to move forward with this or not.

2:11:04 – 2:11:17Speaker 11

And that is, and the board, that's separate from the board. The board should not hear this if the city doesn't believe that the proper party's in front of it.

2:11:17Speaker 13

Confirm with the clerk one moment.

2:11:35Speaker 14

We have no objection.

2:11:37Speaker 8

No objection. All right.

2:11:38Speaker 14

And then I have a question.

2:11:40Speaker 8

Okay. Far away.

2:11:42Speaker 14

City costs. Yes. Are there city costs at all?

2:11:46Speaker 11

The costs in this case are $1,291.20.

2:12:03Speaker 15

I would like to put in a motion to reduce the fines to $1,291.26. I second it.

2:12:10Speaker 8

Would you? Well, okay. Fair enough. All in favor?

2:12:17Speaker 14

Aye. Aye. But we have some nays. Opposed.

2:12:22Speaker 11

Three opposed, four for. Four or four, three are opposed. Is that correct? Just want to make sure we have it.

2:12:29Speaker 15

Four are for and three are against.

2:12:32 – 2:13:47Speaker 8

It passes. Motion passes. Chair Greg Musil Thank you all. Chair Greg Musil That was ‑‑ thank you, sir. Appreciate you coming to speak today. Chair Greg Musil Thank you very much. Chair Greg Musil All right. Okay. Moving on to other board action. Accept the affidavits of compliance as listed. Normally we do those as a group. And so I would entertain a motion to accept the affidavits of compliance including number 5.1.1, 5.1.2, 5.1.3, 5.1.4, 5.1.5, and 5.1.6. May I have a motion to accept these affidavits of compliance? I move to accept the affidavits of compliance as listed. I have a second. Second. All in favor? Aye. All opposed? Motion carries. We have an affidavit of noncompliance. Accept the affidavit of noncompliance for respondents Brendan Ryan Buchanan at 4302 Brigadine Circle for permits.

2:13:50Speaker 10

I don't need it. Say again?

2:13:54 – 2:14:10Speaker 8

Item agenda, it's at the bottom of other board action, number 5.2, right above nuisance abatement. So can I have a motion to accept the affidavit of noncompliance?

2:14:10 – 2:14:24Speaker 23

I move to accept the affidavit of noncompliance and issue an order that imposes fines and state if fines and fees remain unpaid for three months after such lien is filed, the city is authorized to foreclose, collect, or settle such lien.

2:14:25Speaker 8

I have a second.

2:14:26 – 2:15:06Speaker 8

All in favor? Aye. All opposed? All right. Moving on to nuisance abatement lien filings. 6.1 has been withdrawn. Number 6.2, Inspector Sudduth. This is, I'm sorry, case 154-26, accept the nuisance abatement lien for respondents Corniglia Enterprises LLC at 510 Brookside Drive for lot clearing and issue an order with a compliance deadline and authorize the city to mitigate the violation if compliance is not met. Inspector?

2:15:06Speaker 24

There is somebody here.

2:15:10Speaker 8

Okay. Well, sir, would you come forward and state your name?

2:15:21Speaker 5

Hi, it's Brett Harris, 510 Brookside Drive, Clearwater, Florida.

2:15:26Speaker 8

Sir, can you give us a brief on what you'd like to tell us?

2:15:30 – 2:15:43Speaker 5

Sure. I'm here today not disputing the violation. I'm here to ask for a brief continuance to July to complete the compliance work. The remediation work has commenced and will be completed shortly.

2:15:45Speaker 8

Okay. Thank you for that. Inspector Siddath, what would you like to say about this?

2:15:54 – 2:16:11Speaker 24

Vicki Siddath with the City of Clearwater. This is for case 154-26 at 510 Brookside Drive. This is for a news abatement. There is one violation there for lock clearing, code section 3-1503B7BAB10B5A. Inspector, I'm going to interrupt you for a minute here.

2:16:11Speaker 8

Oh, this is, I'm seeing an address of 510. 510. All right, you're correct. I'm sorry. I was looking at the previous case. My mistake.

2:16:21 – 2:17:42Speaker 24

That's okay. The notice of violation was posted at the property, and it was also mailed on May 21st of 2026 with a compliance date of June 1st, 2026. The certified mail was not received back signed, so it was posted at the property. This is a picture of the posting of the property on May 20th. This is a picture of the back of the property, the front of the property, another picture of the front of the property. There's a lot of debris and overgrowth. When I went out there yesterday, there was somebody at the property. I had not had any contact with anybody. I just happened to drive by there. I saw him there. He was starting to clean up the property. The front of it was cut as of this morning, but the rest of it, what was cut is kind of left all over the place. This is what it looked like this morning, the back of it. There's a problem with the homeless there, and they had set up a camp right there in the corner, which is what that large area is. This is some of the trash that he had put out to the street. Sorry, I don't know why this thing's not moving.

2:17:43Speaker 8

Not the first one. Yeah.

2:17:51Speaker 10

That's okay, Peggy.

2:17:54Speaker 8

There's a reason they call these things miracles in modern technology.

2:18:03Speaker 24

There's a closer picture of the coroner.

2:18:06Speaker 8

And that was today's?

2:18:08 – 2:18:54Speaker 24

Yeah, these are from today, this morning at... 930 that's just different trash in there all mixed up there's three properties right there that interconnect with each other one is a vacant lot and then the back of his property and then a strip store there was a very large there's a problem with homeless right there there was a huge homeless camp I was able to get everybody to clean up theirs, but I have no contact with this property. The mail was returned, but when I had spoken to him, he said that that's the wrong address that property appraiser has. So I did suggest to him that he get that taken care of so he does get his mail. But anyways, that's what the violation is, is clearing all the trash and debris. Requesting compliance five days after the board renders its order.

2:18:55 – 2:19:08Speaker 8

Inspector, would you care to opine on, based on what you, I believe you shot pictures today, so you were there today, care to opine on what you've seen in terms of what's been done to clean this thing up?

2:19:09 – 2:19:20Speaker 24

Are you asking me what has been done? I'm asking you just to tell us what you've seen because... Oh, he just, just the front section was the only part that has been cut. The rest of it is still exactly how he... Okay.

2:19:23Speaker 24

But again, you know, like I said, I talked to him yesterday. He hadn't gotten any of the mail. He hadn't been to the property until just recently when he said he saw the posting, so.

2:19:33 – 2:19:55Speaker 8

Okay. I think in your request, you're requesting compliance five days after we render our order. Does the board care to discuss with the owner since he's in the process of mitigation? He's asking for more time. Do you care to ask the property owner any questions before we make a ruling and set a time?

2:19:55Speaker 9

We have an ongoing fine, right? Daily fine?

2:20:00 – 2:20:14Speaker 24

No, this is just for the lot clearing. We wouldn't do anything until five days after you guys sign the order anyways, which would give him another week, at least a minimum of a week, probably even a little bit longer.

2:20:16 – 2:20:49Speaker 11

These are just nuisance abatement. You're giving the city the opportunity to go in, clean up the nuisance, and then lean the property. So these are a little different because they're not asking for a declaration of violation and then somebody come to compliance. They're saying, look, we just got to... We've got to do it ourselves, and it gives them a short period of time, five days before they come in, and then they take care of it and they lean the property for the cost of what it took to abate the nuisance.

2:20:49Speaker 8

Okay. All right. Any questions?

2:20:53Speaker 14

This guy says he wants to speak.

2:20:56Speaker 11

I had prepared remarks. I was just filling an order.

2:21:03 – 2:23:46Speaker 5

So? Good afternoon, members of the board. My name is Brett Harris. I am the owner of the property at 510 Brookside Drive. And thank you for hearing me today. I take this violation seriously. I'm not here to dispute it. I do want to explain the timeline for the record because it matters to what I'm asking. The property is my office during the school year. It's on my drop off route. So I'm there weekly and would have seen a posted notice. The mail notice also went to the same property address. So both the posted copy and the mailed copy were sitting there at the property. I was school out for the summer. I lost that weekly weekly reason to be onsite and I was traveling for a good portion of family summer travel. That's the honest reason both notices went unseen, not indifference, just being away. I didn't actually become aware of this until Monday, June 22nd. And the moment I did, I went straight to work yesterday. I was personally at the property beginning the cleanup. Uh, when Vicki happened to stop by, we spoke, we walked the property together. So the city's own inspector saw firsthand that good faith remediation was already underway. As Vicky's reinspection this morning confirmed, the front area, which was a blight and overgrown, has already been mowed. And I have a picture as well, which I can provide, but basically just reiterates that that's what's been taken care of. The remaining work is modest in total, no more than a small trailer's worth of debris. vegetative debris and the trash which was deposited by that homeless encampment that's sort of at that property corner between those three properties. The homeless are actually back in the woods, which is the vacant lot, but they seem to like to deposit trash there and that's the issue. That's what's left to be cleaned up. So I tried to get a landscaper out actually last night in my conversation, talked to Vicki multiple times yesterday. I tried to make the phone calls to get somebody out there yesterday, but on that short notice, wasn't able to. I do have a crew scheduled to come out in the next few days to complete the work, simply remove that trash and get it out of there. To make sure it never reoccurs, I've also reached out and arranged new landscaping crew to keep the property maintained on a regular schedule. So no matter what the season, this won't be back before the board. So I'll simply close with the request is just the continuance to July, a similar period of time I'd have asked for if I had seen the notice earlier to finish the small amount of work that's already underway. I'm grateful for the board's consideration, and I'm glad to answer any questions. Thank you. Lord, do you have any questions?

2:23:46Speaker 15

If you have a crew coming out in the next couple of days, why do you need until July?

2:23:52Speaker 5

Well, I don't need that much time. It's just because that's the date that you guys set for the next one. So I'm asking for the continuance. So I don't need until July. I have them coming out in the next couple of days.

2:24:00Speaker 19

Okay. So what's your connection to this company right here?

2:24:04Speaker 5

I'm the owner of it, yeah. I'm the listed representative.

2:24:07Speaker 19

Okay. Do you have any proof of that?

2:24:10Speaker 5

It's not printed with me, but I'm sure it can bring up some stuff on my phone if asked.

2:24:15Speaker 5

I was just curious. Yeah. It's a sole member LLC. I'm the acting member. On Sundays? Yes, on Sundays.

2:24:24Speaker 10

Mr. Harris, my only question is, did you address any of this cleanup before you went on vacation?

2:24:30Speaker 5

I did not. No, I was not. No, I did not.

2:24:35 – 2:25:35Speaker 5

Before I went on vacation, one, I don't think it was to that level of degree. And if it was, I just wasn't aware of it. So, but as Vicki mentioned in our discussions yesterday, I mean, what I would like to do as a property owner there, because I think it is a real nuisance to have homeless and vagrant activity, and I just realized this morning when I was going to stop by the office to print these documents that I'm standing here, I went to Staples, I realized that my internet cable has been cut probably by those same and I have security cameras back there and now I'm realizing those have been offline for a period of time because my internet's been cut at the location by the vagrants. I'd like to make a formal request of the city of Clearwater Police Department to have the formal authority to trespass people off of the property in the future so that it's not a recurring incident.

2:25:37 – 2:26:04Speaker 8

I have a question for perhaps Madam Secretary. I'm wondering when we first ruled this property in violation, when was that? Maybe the inspector could tell us when we, because typically. This is the first time this has come up. This property has never been on a violation. Okay, so it's just a nuisance of payment. Right, this is a choice the city has made. I just want to make sure, if we had visited before, had this been going on a while? Okay. Okay.

2:26:05Speaker 9

Well, and does the city reaches out to the owner before they come in there, right? They'll look and see if there's progress being made. Yes.

2:26:12 – 2:26:41Speaker 13

Absolutely. So when we cite a nuisance violation, we post the notice of violation at the property and mail it to the address on property appraiser, which case we either get response back from them at that point or we don't. We usually try and reach out to if there's numbers in utilities, but sometimes we don't make contact with the owner prior to code board. In this case, the property owner was at the property yesterday, so that's the first time we've had a chance to speak about this. Does that answer the question?

2:26:43Speaker 24

i did call the number and leave a message but other than that my only way to have communication was to post it on the property but as i had said he had already told me that

2:26:59 – 2:27:28Speaker 5

the address on property appraiser is not his mailing address so that's why he never got okay well it's just it's the same property address so the notice was sitting there for that same period of time where i hadn't been by to check the mail to see the property over these last roughly 30 days which i haven't that's that's the issue and so no i did not see the notice until the 22nd in which i took immediate action thereafter any other comments or discussion on this

2:27:29Speaker 19

I just want to let you all know I check Sundays and he's on there, so. Okay, good. Good to know.

2:27:34Speaker 15

So I guess my question is you're asking for more time than the five days being given?

2:27:40 – 2:27:52Speaker 5

I'm just asking for a continuance so that it can be dealt with so that there's not a formal order placed at this point in time because I'm making the remediation efforts. That's my understanding.

2:27:53Speaker 14

And you asked for July 1? You asked for July 1?

2:27:59 – 2:28:34Speaker 5

Well, whatever day. When I ask for a time period, it would be maybe 10 days. If you're going to set a date outside of the next hearing, then I have no problem tightening that time frame. It's just I want to have a continuance to such time so I can remediate and not have the order placed because I'm acting in good faith. I literally was out of the property yesterday making efforts tried to get crew out last night, it didn't happen. I'm going to have to remedy it. Do you have any objection to that?

2:28:34 – 2:29:02Speaker 13

I mean, generally speaking, the city would request that we don't continue a case like this. What we brought in front of the board today is that there was a violation being returned in an affidavit, that there is, in fact, a violation. So at this point, we're requesting you to rule on whether there is a violation and giving the city authority to enter onto the property and abate. Should the board wish to give more than the five days To render the time, we would have no objection. That's ultimately the board's decision, but we would request to not continue it to the next meeting. We'd like an order.

2:29:02Speaker 23

That will be July 8th.

2:29:03Speaker 24

Speaking to Nicole, he will have, it will be at least a week and a half before we even get the order, and then we wait the five days.

2:29:10 – 2:29:28Speaker 8

So if we do the five days now, that's what I was thinking, that physically, if he gets it done within ten days, you guys show up and there's nothing to do. I mean, typically you're going to show up, whoever you assign it to is going to show up later than that. If it's done and there's nothing for them to do, then.

2:29:28 – 2:29:50Speaker 24

Once she sends us the paperwork, Nicole tells us what the date is of when we can go out and reinspect it. If we go out there and inspect it and it's all done, then the case is just closed. If it's not done, then we will send our contractor out there to give us an estimate of what it's going to cost to clean it up, and then it goes to Sarah and it gets approved, and then the contractor will be scheduled to come out there and clean it up.

2:29:50 – 2:30:12Speaker 8

Am I to glean from that then if we render an order requesting the compliance within five days physically, it's longer than that. He has more time than that physically to get it done, which is essentially where we're going to end up. If you get it cleaned up by then, then you have the time because the wheels turn a bit slower than the five days.

2:30:12Speaker 19

Just make sure we're all speaking into the mic.

2:30:15 – 2:31:05Speaker 5

Sorry, so I mean part of the reason for me spending my time here today with you is given, I made immediate efforts when I was made aware of it of the 22nd. In my understanding, I do have a real consideration as a property owner if transients and vanguards and homeless are depositing trash on my property. you know, I don't want this issue where, you know, you guys rule on this, I'm happy to clean it up, get it fully remedied, but I don't think going forward, and this is what you kind of explained to me yesterday, and I have an issue with, is the concept of once the order is issued, then you come out three months later and there happens to be trash in that corner from that one simple corner, you immediately act on it without me having any response time.

2:31:05 – 2:31:43Speaker 8

That's a different issue in that what we're talking about here is there's a certain condition that the inspector has observed. If we're talking about issuing an order here that says five days, but you end up with effectively something like 10 days, you're getting cleaned up. I mean, you can document that yourself. You can call the inspector and say, it's in compliance. Come look. I have pictures. And anything that occurs after that, I mean, at that point, I don't want to speak for our inspector, but at that point, if you're in compliance, then the thing is done and goes away. We have no control or no predict about what happens in the future.

2:31:44 – 2:32:38Speaker 24

I also did explain to him that because there is a problem with the homeless back there that he needed to get with the Clearwater Police Department and get a no trespass order for that property. Once he does that, if the homeless come back on there onto his property and the police are notified, they will come out and issue them a trespass. And if they come back, then they have the authority to arrest them. That is what I suggested to him to make sure that he does right away and to also change his address. Like we did go over all of this. and what i had explained to him was if the property does not get cleaned up and we go out and clean it we will have that order for the future if it's cleaned up though the case is closed and it would have to be brought back in front of the board it's only if it's not brought into compliance by the date understood all right any other questions any other discussion that we need to have all right i'm ready to entertain a motion

2:32:42 – 2:33:15Speaker 9

I move to enter an order finding the respondent in violation of code and requiring the respondent to correct the violations within five days of the board's written order. If the respondent does not comply within the time specified, the City may take all reasonable actions, including entry onto the property to abate and maintain the nuisance and charge the respondent with reasonable costs, which will become a lien on the property. If costs, fees, fines, and fees remain unpaid three months after such a lien is filed, the City is authorized to foreclose, collect, or settle such a lien. Chair Greg Musil?

2:33:16Speaker 8

May I have a second?

2:33:18 – 2:33:50Speaker 8

All in favor? Aye. All opposed? Motion carries. Thank you, sir, for coming today. Item 6.3 on our agenda, case 155-26. Accept the nuisance abatement lien for respondents' cloth management, LLC, at 1116 Amble Lane for an operative vehicle and issue an order with a compliance deadline and authorize the city to mitigate the violation. If compliance is not met... Inspector Casman.

2:33:52Speaker 26

I don't think there's anybody here.

2:33:55Speaker 8

All I see is blue shirts.

2:33:57 – 2:34:48Speaker 26

That's right. Good afternoon, gun board. Andrew Casman, code enforcement inspector for the city of Clearwater. This is case number 155-26 for 1116 Amble Lane. This is for a nuisance abatement. There's one violation here for code section 3-1503B6 for an operative vehicle. These are dates to notice a violation went out with a compliance date and affidavit of posting. This is 1116 Amble Lane. It's a duplex. The other address is 118. I'm sorry, 1118 Amble Lane. I came here originally due to a bunch of exterior storage in the rear of the property. While back there, I noticed there was a boat trailer with no license plate on it. A tenant let me in the back because the tenants were having a bit of a feud about one tenant's stuff all being in the rear of the property. This might be a future code board case, but we'll hopefully maybe won't get there. And I went back for my reinspection. I also noticed there was a vehicle out front with no license plate on it.

2:34:50Speaker 23

I'm sorry to interrupt you. You said 1116 or 1118?

2:34:55Speaker 26

1116 is the official address, but it's a duplex with two addresses. So one is 1116 and one is 1118.

2:35:00Speaker 23

Okay, thank you.

2:35:03 – 2:35:39Speaker 26

This vehicle is a sedan with no license plate on it. I also noticed the boat was still in the rear of the property. I posted the property that same day. when i went back i noticed the car had been turned around but still had no license plate on it the boat was still in the rear and when i went back today the car was still there with no license plate on it and the boat in the rear so compliance meant for an operative vehicle by displaying a license plate with current tag on every vehicle ensuring that all vehicles are physically operable or by removing an operative vehicles from the premises I'm requesting for this one compliance item before five days from the date the board registers its order.

2:35:39Speaker 10

Daniel, can I see a picture of the front and back of that car again, please? Yeah. It's black. Oh, it's black and white.

2:35:47Speaker 26

OK. The front is white. It's got a different color scheme on the front. When it was the original day I went and looked at it, it was spun around the other way. But it looks like it's the same vehicle, same sticker, same make and model.

2:35:59Speaker 8

Thank you. Any questions? May I have a motion, please?

2:36:06 – 2:36:32Speaker 15

I move to enter an order finding the respondent in violation of code and requiring the respondent to correct the violations within five days of the board's written order. If the respondent does not comply within the time specified, the city may take all reasonable actions, including entry in charge of the respondent with the reasonable cost which will become a lien on the property. If cost, fines and fees remain unpaid three months after such a lien is filed, the City is authorized to foreclose, collect or settle such a lien. Chair Greg Musil.

2:36:32 – 2:36:59Speaker 8

May I have a second? Second. Chair Greg Musil. All in favor? Aye. Chair Greg Musil. All opposed? Motion carries. That's case 6.4 on our agenda. Case 156-26, accept the nuisance abatement lien. for respondents Tealcrest Properties LLC at 1002 North Garden Avenue for lot clearing. An issue order with the compliance deadline and authorize the city to mitigate the violation if compliance is not met.

2:37:00 – 2:38:24Speaker 25

Inspector Maddox? Good afternoon, Board. Kevin Maddox, Code Compliance Inspector. City of Clearwater, case number 15626. This is a nuisance abatement for 1002 North Garden Avenue. One violation for section 1503B7B8 and B5A, lot clearing overgrowth right of way and accumulation of debris and trash. Notice the violation was mailed and posted on 5-18-26. compliance date by five 28, the green card was received signed. I still posted the property, um, on a five 18 shown here at the back of the property. You can see a pile of homeless encampment trash. Um, this is a five 28. It is, it got a little bit better. Probably the mowing was still happening, but, uh, the trash and homeless camp remained. This was this morning. The property with the trash still remaining. Compliance can be met for cutting all grass and vegetation to include the curb line sidewalk and continuing to maintain it, removing all trash and debris, and continuing to keep it clean. Trying to get this homeless encampment out of there. Recommendation for this case, 156-26, requesting compliance five days after the board renders its order.

2:38:26Speaker 10

Inspector, has this case been before us before?

2:38:30Speaker 25

To my knowledge, no. I've only been in this area since last July. Okay.

2:38:34Speaker 10

I thought it was, too. It just looks familiar.

2:38:38Speaker 25

Well, along Garden Road, there are a lot of lots that are empty.

2:38:46 – 2:39:09Speaker 8

look familiar and they're small they're deep they're weird yeah it's up there close to parallel by the pinellas trail there's a lot of vacant properties up there yes and they're up around that they seem to be waiting for a mysterious buyer i don't know yeah yeah all right i wonder who that could be any other questions can i have a motion please

2:39:15 – 2:39:47Speaker 14

I move to enter an order finding the respondent in violation of code and requiring the respondent to correct the violations within five days of the board's written order. If the respondent does not comply within the time specified, the city may take all reasonable actions, including entry onto the property, to abate and maintain the nuisance and charge the respondent with a reasonable cost, which will become a lien on the property. If costs, fines, and fees remain unpaid three months after such lien is filed, the city is authorized to propose, collect, or settle such lien.

2:39:48 – 2:40:13Speaker 8

May I have a second, please? Second. All in favor? Aye. All opposed? Motion carries. Next case is item 6.5 on our agenda. Case 157-26, accept the nuisance abatement lien for respondents Mark G. Montgomery and 1206 North Garden Avenue for light clearing and issue an order with compliance deadline and authorize the city to mitigate the violation if compliance is not met. Inspector Maddox?

2:40:13 – 2:41:19Speaker 25

I am here again. Kevin Madden, Code Compliance Inspector, case number 157-26, a nuisance abatement for 1206 North Garden. One violation of 1503B7B8B5A, overgrowth, right-of-way overgrowth and accumulation of debris and trash. Notice the violation was mailed and posted on May 18th with a compliance date of 5-28-26. The green card was not received. This is the property with the posting. The grass, as you can see, is long. Again, on 5-18. 5-28, the grass is longer. On 6-24 this morning, it's longer. Compliance can be met with lot clearing by cutting all grass and vegetation, removing all trash and debris, and keeping it clean. For this case, recommendation 157-26, requesting compliance five days after the board renders its order.

2:41:21Speaker 8

Questions from the board? No.

2:41:23 – 2:41:59Speaker 12

All right. May I have a motion, please? I move to enter an order finding the respondent in violation of code and requiring the respondent to correct the violation within five days of the board's written order. If the respondent does not comply within the time specified, the city may take all reasonable actions, including entry onto the property, to abate and maintain the nuisance and charge the respondent with the reasonable cost, which will become a lien on the property. If cost, fines, and fees remain unpaid three months after such a lien is filed, the city is authorized to foreclose, collect, or settle such a lien.

2:42:00 – 2:42:30Speaker 8

May I have a second, please? Second. All in favor? Aye. Next case, Item Agenda 6.6, Case 158-26, accept the nuisance abatement lien for respondents Matt Allen, 1260 Wellington, LLC, and 1260 Wellington Drive for an Operative Vehicle. And issue an order with compliance deadline and authorize the City to mitigate the violation if compliance is not met. Inspector Jensen, you have the floor.

2:42:30Speaker 27

Good afternoon. This should only take about 35 or 40 minutes.

2:42:35Speaker 8

Can you shorten it up a bit for us?

2:42:45 – 2:44:38Speaker 27

This is for 1260 Wellington. The actual address itself doesn't exist anymore, so it's a parcel number. It's a nuisance abatement. That's case 158-26. I'm Dave Jensen, code inspector with the city of Clearwater. Just have one violation for 3-1503-B6 for inoperative vehicles. These are the dates for the posting and the mailings. Certified mail came back undelivered. However, I have spoken with the owner. He uses an out-of-state address for the property, but he is local. He originally told me that he was buying the vehicles and waiting for titles as he had bought them at auction. I've got a complaint from a neighbor, however, that he found Facebook postings where the vehicles are being posted, so it looks like this owner is buying the vehicles and then reselling them. I wasn't able to go on Facebook and see the ads myself. These are the vehicles on the date of the original violation. None of them have license plates on them. Again, the owner of the property did tell me when I spoke to him that he didn't have titles for the vehicles yet. This is 5-15. Vehicles are still on the property after the compliance date. Again, on 6-8, vehicles are still there. A couple have been moved. Again, this was today. Vehicles are still present. No plates on the vehicles. There are a couple other things that are not public nuisance that we wouldn't have fall under here is the grass parking, storage, and a residential area, which we don't allow. However, if we get the order from the board and the vehicles are removed either by the owner or by the city, that remedies the other situation. Requesting compliance five days after the board runner's disorder. Compliance can be met by the vehicles either being removed from the property or being plated, but they are going to have to be removed anyway.

2:44:38Speaker 10

And Inspector, on our printout sheet, it says inoperative vehicle, but there's more than one, right? There's more than one, correct, yeah. Yes.

2:44:48Speaker 8

So it's, yeah, this says vehicles on these violations, even though on ours it may say vehicles. Yeah, so.

2:44:54Speaker 10

Well, I give it that. That's why I'm confirming it.

2:44:57Speaker 23

Did the owner...

2:44:58Speaker 10

Thank you for that detail.

2:44:59Speaker 23

The donor ever state when he bought the vehicle? Because I've bought vehicles from auctions before.

2:45:05 – 2:45:20Speaker 27

Well, yeah, and the last time I talked to him, I asked him if he was getting anywhere with getting these things moved out of there. He said he'd only received one title so far. I've tried contacting him back and haven't had any luck yet. So, again, I can't stipulate to what he may or may not be doing, but...

2:45:21Speaker 15

When you say inoperative, you mean they can't be driven?

2:45:23 – 2:45:48Speaker 27

Correct. Yeah, so our inoperative ordinance, it has to have a current registration, and it has to be displayed on the vehicle. Yeah, so even if you did have current registrations, if they're not on the vehicle, they do have to be displayed on there as well. They have no tags. Yeah, they're just not on there. So again, if it's flat tires, again, hoods up with no engine in it, or just not even have a license plate, they have to be roadworthy. Correct.

2:45:48Speaker 8

When did you last speak with him?

2:45:51 – 2:46:03Speaker 27

I couldn't tell you when it was I last spoke with him without having to look the case up. But it's, again, I told him to make sure he'd keep in touch with me and let me know what was going on here. But I tried contacting him back and haven't had any luck with him answering the phone again.

2:46:03Speaker 8

The reason I ask is I wonder if he realizes that if he doesn't do something soon, he's going to lose all that.

2:46:07 – 2:46:25Speaker 27

Well, he does because the property was posted with the... with the notice and then what happens. But yeah, the notice of this hearing was gone from the property after I posted it too. And again, the vehicles have been moved while I've been watching it. So he or somebody has been out there moving the vehicles around the property.

2:46:25Speaker 10

And he has not contacted you?

2:46:28Speaker 27

No, I've called him a couple more times and not had any luck getting a hold of him.

2:46:31Speaker 8

All right. Any other questions? May I have a motion, please?

2:46:36 – 2:47:09Speaker 10

Mr. Chairman, I move to enter an order finding the respondent in violation of code and requiring the respondent to correct the violations within five days of the board's written order. If the respondent does not comply with the time specified, the city may take all original actions, including entry into the property, to abate and maintain the nuisance and charge the respondent with the original cost, which will become a lien on the property. The cost lines and fees remain unpaid. Three months after such a lien is filed, this city is authorized to foreclose, collect, or settle such a lien. Chair Greg Musil.

2:47:10Speaker 8

May I have a second, please?

2:47:11Speaker 24

Second. Chair Greg Musil.

2:47:12 – 2:47:39Speaker 8

All in favor? Aye. Chair Greg Musil. All opposed? Thank you. Chair Greg Musil. Motion carries. Thank you, Inspector. Last one, 6.7 on our agenda, case 159-26, accept the nuisance abatement lien for respondents William Lawrence Reese, at 1874 Greenhill Drive for lock clearing and issue an order with compliance deadline and authorize the City to mitigate the violation if compliance is not met. Inspector Kasman, you saved the best for last. Thank you for that.

2:47:39 – 2:48:33Speaker 26

Ian Kasman, Code Enforcement Inspector for the City of Clearwater. This is case number 159-26 for 1874 Greenhill Drive. It's a nuisance abatement. There's one violation here for code section 3-1503 B8 and B10 for lot clearing. These are the dates and notice of violation that was sent out with the compliance date and the affidavit of posting. This is 1874 Green Hill Drive and that was the posting and this was the issue with the property. This large bush or vine or whatever you want to call it is outgrown and is taking over the roadway. I did speak with a tenant there who I tried to explain how he could remedy it. He said he would try and the result was not where we needed it to be. There needs to be at least an eight foot clearance above the right of way and it can't go past the curb. So there needs to be some more chopping to be done for them to be in compliance. I went by this morning. And it's still...

2:48:33Speaker 23

I feel like fairies are going to come out of there.

2:48:36Speaker 26

It would have to be a cutout like this if you can follow the mouse at all. Eight feet high and behind the curb.

2:48:43Speaker 15

Is it attached to that light?

2:48:46 – 2:49:23Speaker 26

It is entwined in a way in which you'd have to completely go in there by hand with clippers to remove it. It's houses, probably hundreds of birds. You can hear them in there. Again, if it was just cleaned up a little bit to be out of the right of way, I'm okay with it as it is. Duke Energy has obviously not cared. They probably don't think it's doing anything wrong. But it is growing up. It's growing too wide is the problem. I mean, over the pole. Yes. It's in the road. So compliance was met for lot clearing by trimming back bush. So there's at least an eight foot clearance above the right of way and does not grow past the curb. And I'm requesting compliance on it before five days from the date the board renders its order.

2:49:24Speaker 8

All right. Any questions or comments? None. May I have a motion, please?

2:49:30 – 2:50:01Speaker 14

I move to enter an order finding the respondent in violation of code and requiring the respondent to correct the violation of code. of the Board's written order. If the respondent does not comply within the time specified, the City may take all reasonable actions, including entry onto the property, to abate and maintain the nuisance and charge the respondent with a reasonable cost which will become a lien on the property. If costs, fines, and fees remain unpaid three months after such lien is filed, the City is authorized to foreclose, collect, or settle the lien. Chair Greg Musil.

2:50:01Speaker 8

May I have a second, please? Chair Greg Musil. All in favor? All right. Fair enough.

2:50:10Speaker 12

And I've got a comment.

2:50:13Speaker 11

Certainly. We're also going to tell you that we're going to have at your next meeting a discussion on how to handle fine reductions.

2:50:19 – 2:50:30Speaker 8

Excuse me. We've got a conversation going over here, ladies. Sorry. Mr. Salzman has the floor. He said next time. Yeah, but everybody didn't hear.

2:50:30Speaker 14

I know, but we couldn't hear.

2:50:31Speaker 12

They were talking.

2:50:32 – 2:51:25Speaker 11

No, at your next meeting, we're going to have a discussion about fine reductions. I think there's some... confusion as to how these are handled and what your responsibility is or role in these. We believe that would, Nicole and I discuss that. You have to understand there's a definitive distinction between the city and this board and so what the city wants to bring before you or what the city's comfortable with bringing before you you're acting on basically basically on their request the applicant and their request and so we have to look at those a little differently than we did today so it's it's we do this periodically you know when we see something that maybe there's some confusion we want to clarify.

2:51:25 – 2:51:43Speaker 12

I was just trying to find out if I could ask some questions. On the lien reduction applications, it specifically states that the information has to be true and correct. And the applicant has to have an interest in the property or it has to be in the person's property owner's name.

2:51:43Speaker 8

That's where it's supposed to be.

2:51:45 – 2:52:31Speaker 12

Three or four times we had today different times when we did we have curve authorizations and things like that. But the one time for this one, It wasn't required simply because the city said they didn't care. I'm just confused. It says if this application is not filled out properly, it doesn't go before us. It doesn't go to hearing. And when I read these different comments by this guy, he's bringing allegations about the inspector. And when I read the two-page minutes of that meeting, The same guy gave testimony that all the violations existed except one. But the other two violations were there. So, Mr.

2:52:31 – 2:52:52Speaker 19

Plum, part of what you're saying is I'm just kind of getting up to speed on everything that's going on here. I didn't even get to review all the cases before coming to this meeting. you know, moving forward with these type of requests or anything else, we're going to be in lockstep with like what we're requesting and what, you know, who's requesting and making sure we're getting the proper authority and authorizations. But that's what you were seeing a little bit today was just us kind of.

2:52:52 – 2:53:21Speaker 12

That's one thing I was going to suggest is that we have the minutes from previous cases if it's an old case. that we have the letter of authorizations. And then going forward, the board probably, I mean, we can take, everybody can have attorneys. Like if you went through a divorce, you take your vice attorney. But then you have to decide, is that what you're going to do? And when the board has to decide, are we going to accept? lien reductions without proper authorization. We had three board members.

2:53:21 – 2:53:40Speaker 11

This is not a court. We don't use evidence. It's not for you all to judge that issue. That's the city's presentation to you. This is one of the issues. In fact, what we did here was probably improper. You cannot do individual research on a case and be part of this board.

2:53:41Speaker 12

I requested it and everybody got it.

2:53:44 – 2:54:26Speaker 11

You cannot testify as you did today. That is improper. That is not your job. You're the judge. You're not the prosecutor in this case. They bring the case. You judge it. If you all are doing your own investigation and looking at this, you have... basically placed yourself in a position where you cannot sit in this case. That's one of the problems that we have. And that is just a mistake that we let happen. We won't let it happen again. It's not on you. It's just we didn't, you know, it's not unusual for you to have done what other people have done that over the board. We just probably shouldn't have allowed you to do it.

2:54:26 – 2:55:18Speaker 8

Well, that begs a question. And that question is when, you know, I see this. We've been through a number of them since I've been on here. And it's good they provide the data, but in a particular case like this, the data was very one-sided because it only came from the property owner. And my dilemma is that I want to make a fair adjudication and a fair assessment of the details. And so the question becomes how best to do that. If he's the only one that's here speaking to that, then how best, especially on an old case like this, how best Do we gather data so that we can make a fair and proper evaluation so that if we have someone that's truly deserving, we can rule in their favor? If we have someone that is totally irresponsible or contending things that are not true, but we have no way to verify those, how do we evaluate that data?

2:55:18 – 2:57:16Speaker 11

What the law says is that what you hear at this hearing is the only evidence that you're supposed to determine that and one of the things we could discuss at the next meeting is what you all need to make that determination and it may be exactly what you all have said which is we want to see the minutes or we want to see we want to have a detailed summary which really should be it shouldn't be necessarily you seeing the minutes it probably will say to the city please have this information or present this in your presentation this is this is what occurred This is when they came in compliance. This is why there was a gap in time, as if, in this case, was it true? The only evidence we had was the individual saying that, well, the guy never came. No, and we had support of that. One of these had fell through the cracks because we had somebody change up. Yes, is it the obligation of the violator to contact the city when they come in compliance? 100%. Yeah. Does that... happen most of the time? No. Maybe not. But you determine at this hearing the competent substantial evidence to make your decision. That doesn't have to be, it's different than a courtroom, and again, for those that don't know, I'm a trial lawyer, so I'm a former prosecutor, so I know how to do these cases. The evidence that is presented before you is how you make your determination. That's why I got a little concerned about evidence that is discussed that isn't necessarily the proper way we do it. There's nothing wrong with having everybody have that information, that's the correct way of doing it, but that should really be coming from Nicole or the city when we have that before you. So we'll correct that. But I want you to say at the next meeting, this is what we need. This is how you want it. Because that's what we should be doing, making sure the cases are presented in a way that you can make a decision.

2:57:16 – 2:57:29Speaker 8

Do we have to wait until the next meeting to do that? Or is there some adjustment we can make as a standard practice that when we have a lien reduction, that we can at least get a summary of the case history on it? Yeah, I think we've gotten that direction.

2:57:29 – 3:00:06Speaker 11

Or again, when I say we, it's really the city. Because I'm your attorney, so I have to make sure. Here's what happens. If an individual sues this board, I'm the one who defends the case, not the city. What I just told you is how I defend it. I need to have competent substantial evidence for you to make a decision. Your decision could be completely wrong in everybody's eyes, but it's okay. As long as you base it on competent substantial evidence. What we normally have as competent substantial evidence is a presentation by the code officer, because that's everything you see, that's competent substantial evidence. What we don't usually see is on these fine reductions, and that's because A lot of times they're just people coming to you in certain circumstances. Most of the circumstances we see is somebody selling their property. Right. And there's a lien on there. And so then you all have, as part of this, you have to adopt a philosophy as to what's your goal with this board, right? Right. Because this board is to get compliance because your neighbors have a situation where somebody has done something that's causing them problems. You have a hoarder, you have, I mean, you've seen all of them today. You have a hoarder, you have somebody doing short-term rentals, you have somebody doing all these things. So your job is really supposed to be able to get compliance as soon as possible so we get rid of that nuisance. Or we do things like these nuisance abatement cases where the city comes in and cleans it up so we don't have these problems in the neighborhood. So you have to decide, and the reason, honestly, and I'll just, give you a couple more minutes of information. The reason that the way you've done these fine reductions in the past is when we first started doing these, sometimes they came back and said, yeah, you owe us nothing. And then we finally had the board adopt a philosophy or policy that says that, well, we're not going to go below the cost because then you're, you know, these are real costs. These are city costs. These are administrative costs that have occurred. So you took that philosophy. Now what's the determination as to whether or not somebody should have it reduced? That is not objective, that is subjective. But for you to get to that subjective determination, we need to know what you want. I think we heard that today, what you all need. The city needs to present that to you versus you guys coming up with it.

3:00:06Speaker 8

So what's the best way to achieve that? Do we make a formal request or simply a verbal request?

3:00:12Speaker 13

I'm certainly hearing that the board would like more substantial background on these lien reductions that come in, and I can make them happen.

3:00:18Speaker 11

And it's a work in progress. So I think the next couple ones we see, we should probably have comments of this is good enough or this isn't good enough.

3:00:27 – 3:01:01Speaker 12

I'll just make one quick comment. Like when inspectors show the photographs, if there's two buildings in there, they know which building they're talking about because you had to ask. I was going to ask the same thing. Which building are you talking about? I don't know which one. And it was in the background, the yellow one. I was looking at the foreground one. so they got to identify better what they're showing what we're looking at and then also what the violations are that they're because they're just showing photograph after photograph but no explanation of is it the roof is it this just the sightings the painting we need to make sure so we don't know what they're saying

3:01:02 – 3:01:14Speaker 13

Absolutely. Happy to accept this feedback. I'm sure you can understand from our point of view, we look at this all day. To us, it's obvious what we're looking at. This is great feedback. We'll make sure that we point out more clearly what the violations are.

3:01:15Speaker 10

We shouldn't investigate the case.

3:01:17Speaker 11

If you investigate a case, you cannot sit as judge.

3:01:21Speaker 23

I didn't investigate the case. I simply read the notes. That is fine. Here's the other thing we don't do in

3:01:31 – 3:02:42Speaker 11

We probably should do it. So when I handle these cases for other cities, a lot of times I'm sitting in Matthew's seat. So I'm the city attorney, so I'm prosecuting the cases. We should check to make sure that you all have not had any kind of conference with anybody affecting these, right? And we also want to make sure that any information you do have, you're sharing it. So everybody has the same information. So every one of you is supposed to walk in here and base your decision on the same information. So if you've had discussions, we want to make sure that that's known. If you've looked at a document, we want to make sure everybody has that same information. But I also don't want you to do your own investigations Because, you know, that's where we run into a problem. But you could be living in the same neighborhood as one of these houses. I'm sure you are. Or you may know the person, and there's nothing wrong with that. You just, hey, I've driven by this property for the last six months, and nobody's done anything. Okay? Now everybody knows that. That's good. That's fine. So we just want you to all base your decision on the same information.

3:02:43 – 3:03:03Speaker 15

Can I ask a question before we adjourn really fast? Just regarding the fines that were gonna be placed on that Airbnb property, is it now standard that we can't give fines, post-dated fines, basically? We'll be reviewing the process.

3:03:03 – 3:05:10Speaker 11

The basis behind that is the way the Florida statute reads is that, so I'm a violator, so you have brought me, and we honestly know that I've had a bunch of opportunities to fix this before I get before you. So now here I am, and guess what? The loss gives me another chance lets me come before you because i'm presumed innocent and uh and uh you say okay here's a reasonable period of time but how do you determine that reasonable period of time well that's the information that the city is presenting to you i talked to this person and they said they would take care of it but they haven't or i couldn't get in touch with the person why well we we posted the property We sent, we mailed a property. Oh, I don't come to that property. That's not the city's problem, right? Right. You own a piece of property. You're expected to know what's going on with your property. So we don't have to find you in Hawaii. We have to just post your property. It's your responsibility. But are there mitigating circumstances? Sure, there are. So how do you deal with this? You deal with the fine, because remember, the fine is up to $250 per day. So you could really increase some of these fines depending on the issues. And number two is how much time is reasonable for compliance, right? Unless they're a health and safety issue, we'd probably look at 30 days depending on it, 10 days, it could all go on that. If it's health and safety, we ask for a shorter period of time. But those are the things that they should be presenting. The individual violator should be coming to you when they do and say, look, I need additional time because of this, this, and this. And you determine whether that's reasonable. The case that's presented to you, the competent and substantial evidence, that what you need to do is a general direction to the city, which we've heard today. What more do you need to make that finding? Because that should be the relatively easy part of the case. The easy part of the case is, yeah, the city proved up their case. We see a violation. This is the right section. Now, what do you have to say as to before we tell you how much and how long?

3:05:11 – 3:06:43Speaker 8

I have one last thing, if I may, and that is that it's not the last thing, but back to this lien reduction that you provided data on and everything else. During discussion, we had the motion was introduced to define the violation and everything, and I would have liked to have had more discussion on it. So it's just as a courtesy to all of the board to make sure we get adequate discussion because we ended up with a split ruling. And I hesitated because I really had some other questions and I wanted to try and gather some more data to make a fair evaluation because this was a very different one in that it was very one-sided from the homeowner. And it was difficult for me personally to... to evaluate what was really the fair thing to do. And we ended up voting before I got enough data. So I would respectfully request that before we make a motion, If it's okay with you guys as chair, I would like to make sure we've had all the discussion. I'd like to request a motion and give everybody the opportunity to speak. Because this ended up being like a one vote swing. One vote one way or the other would have accepted this or killed it. And it turned out very beneficial for the homeowner. And at the end of the day, I didn't feel right about leaving this guy. with this horrendous lien when he was trying to sell a property, but we were making a decision, in my opinion, without enough data for me to make an adequate, so I would like to be able to gather enough data to make the educated decision.

3:06:43Speaker 11

Two things. One, you control that by saying, I'm not ready to take a motion.

3:06:49Speaker 8

But we had a motion and a second, and based, not to interrupt you, but based on earlier stuff, I mean, when we've, I said, wait a minute, and you've indicated, I'm not blaming anybody, I'm just saying you've indicated we have a motion.

3:07:00 – 3:09:10Speaker 11

well what do i do i mean you could right okay and i and i apologize no no that's okay no we'll make sure that that's a little more clearer um for that the second thing i want when you're thinking about this particular case and i and maybe this is because i you know i've been doing this so long when the city tells me that um or makes the comment that they're not objecting okay there's reasons behind that. And some of them are reasons based on what this individual said is not an unusual situation. We've had situations where somebody has come in compliance and just never knew that they were supposed to tell somebody or asked to be re-inspected or things like that. So we've seen those over there. That's not an unusual situation. And when you have an inspector who's gone and we've had, it's been a while, but we used to have a little more turnover the ball, it just falls through the cracks. So when you see a huge fine like that, and you know what the violation is, that's not a surprising situation for somebody to come in and say, well, yeah, I did come in compliance. And I do get, I see what the city says. If the city was going, no, you didn't, or, you know, we contacted you and told you to, no. And other ones, when I hear the city go, yeah, okay. They're telling you that something happened, whether it's their fault or the other person's fault. They're not opposing to it. And when I look at these again, especially for my cities, I look at it as what is our job? Our job is to get compliance. These fines are somewhat fictitious. You're not going to recover these fines. We recovered one big fine. in all the years we did this for in excess of $400,000. I wasn't going to say who, but that's the one big fine we've ever recovered. And that's because they just really didn't do anything. And it went on for a long period of time.

3:09:10 – 3:09:26Speaker 14

And I just want to say something about this one we did let go. Because the inspector was gone, there was just this huge amount of information we'd never have. So to me, it was kind of ridiculous to keep beating a dead horse. I just wanted to say that. Because of that missing data.

3:09:26Speaker 15

And they have, what, they have 15 minutes to present or something? Yeah. More than passed. Yeah.

3:09:33Speaker 8

I mean, we generally don't hold them to that. I think it's a courtesy. I suggested not long ago that we limit people to five minutes, but at the end of the day, if we're trying to gather data and understand, is that really a...

3:09:45 – 3:10:09Speaker 11

You gave people as much time as they needed. It was a long meeting, but you gave everybody their ability to do this. Remember, that's the other part of this. You're giving individuals the opportunity, residents, to come in and say their piece. Otherwise, the city could just take them to code enforcement at the criminal courts complex.

3:10:11 – 3:10:54Speaker 19

judge won't even give them this much time and then they'll deal with farming i tried to keep them out of the weeds but anyway i knew you were going to say something but i would say one more thing if you don't mind you go first okay yeah thank you so i've just been kind of thinking through this in my head from like the city's perspective and it's like you know when i'm not doing this board i'm typically the city's development and like land use attorney and of course with like land use approvals you usually have like a recommendation from staff like for a particular development application we're looking for Would it be helpful, since lien reductions aren't like your typical type of case where either someone's in compliance or they're guilty or they're not guilty, would it be helpful for a lien reduction request to get like a recommendation from staff maybe? You don't want to recommend anything? No?

3:10:55Speaker 11

It would be helpful for this board.

3:10:57Speaker 19

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. Because it's like, well, is this something that the city supports or is it not? And if we don't support it, why don't we support it? If we do support it, why do we?

3:11:07Speaker 12

I think it just tested. We have asked for that in the past. But if we had that in the actual item.

3:11:13Speaker 11

It would be nice to know that the city has had problems with this property or didn't have problems with the property. But that's...

3:11:21 – 3:12:00Speaker 13

I would say generally speaking, before my time, the philosophy was always that the city would not want to recommend us to reduce the liens purely because we are the ones who sought out the liens, the fines in the first place. I'm pretty sure that is the philosophy. I can't really speak to it necessarily. It was before my time. However, if the board is looking for whether the city approves, generally speaking, we just say we don't object to us reducing the fine, that's a little bit of a, I guess, not failed language, but it's like we don't object to reducing the fine means that we're okay with reducing the fine. However, I am happy to go speak with my management team about whether we're okay with basically giving a stamp of approval on the reductions on the verify.

3:12:00Speaker 19

Maybe like a no objection statement or something. I'm just thinking out loud here, because the note's like, okay, well this guy is standing up in here and wants a reduction, but how does the city feel?

3:12:08Speaker 13

I mean, generally speaking, the board asks whether the city objects, and we say no. However, if the board's looking for more information, then...

3:12:15 – 3:12:26Speaker 11

Well, I think you could solve the problem one way or the other. Either you have to give the board more information or you have to make a recommendation because the board either has to figure it out themselves or you have to help them in that.

3:12:26Speaker 23

But in order to figure it out, it's time-consuming, right? So I think the more information we have behind it, then I think it will be more helpful.

3:12:34 – 3:12:55Speaker 11

But if you came in and said, for example, we would like you to reduce this to $7,500, because X, Y, and Z, then the board wouldn't have to sit there and go, we have to figure out what X, Y, and Z is. You're telling them that. So that's the evidence they want to hear because this is, again, subjective.

3:12:55 – 3:13:07Speaker 19

Yeah. Yeah, and that leads into my next point, Andy, is like we don't have, like unlike a development application, we don't have criteria that we're weighing the lien reduction against to determine whether or not we think it's a good idea or not.

3:13:07Speaker 11

You could adopt some and then you could... I mean, that's...

3:13:11 – 3:13:39Speaker 19

I'm just thinking out loud here because it's like, well, if I'm sitting up there as board member, like, well, how do I know whether this is good or not except just... That's why this is the hardest thing that they do. Yeah. That's why... Because I remember when I was first doing this, like, years ago, and I was doing this with Nicole, we would just kind of do them on the back end, and these didn't even go to the board. Of course, we found out later that it's better to bring it here, so... Actually, we like the way you used it. I don't want to know how you found that out. That was after my time had changed.

3:13:39 – 3:14:09Speaker 7

Are we still on TV? Yes. We're still in session. We're still in the sunshine. Let me just say real quick, though, that the whole goal is compliance. And so it's not did he, did they, what did they do, when did they do it, how did they do it. It's complied. And that's the ultimate goal. It's not to collect the money. It's not to... do anything else but compliance. And so when they're here for the lien reduction, they are in compliance. Unless it's a stipulation agreement and that's a whole nother back.

3:14:10 – 3:14:28Speaker 8

Sorry. Go ahead. my mindset is I'm trying to look at it and evaluate it and determine the merits of the reduction. And I think we were today on the one because there was just so much missing data and it's hard to wrap our head around it.

3:14:29 – 3:14:40Speaker 7

But at the end of the day, regardless of the fall that got us here, the mess that got us here, it's in compliance. And that's what the ultimate goal is.

3:14:41Speaker 12

I'm going to give you a compliment. I thought you handled a lot of the situations very professional. Well, thank you. I appreciate that. It's an extremely good job.

3:14:49Speaker 8

It's an interesting gig.

3:14:51 – 3:15:09Speaker 9

Do we have anything else? We're either going administrative costs. I think that's all I've ever seen, except for today somebody asked for something more than administrative costs, and we said okay. And so that's kind of incongruent to me.

3:15:09Speaker 1

What are we doing here?

3:15:10Speaker 9

But I understand what you said. If they're in compliance, we take it down to administrative costs.

3:15:15Speaker 7

You take it down to whatever it is the board decides. Right.

3:15:18Speaker 9

And if they're not in compliance, we're probably not going to see them up there. I don't know that we've ever seen that.

3:15:22 – 3:16:05Speaker 11

It's very rare that you would see that. But again, the whole idea of administrative costs is that the city's made whole. Right. So now the question is, in my mind you are hearing why what took so long right right you know is it somebody that i mean we've had after um the hurricanes you know and we still have it where we people couldn't get contracted and so that was a reasonable basis but we've also had cases and people that have come here frequently where they just come up with some excuse oh i had a contract and i couldn't you know So is that a reasonable one for you to reduce the same way as the person who's been trying? That's that unknown subjective part.

3:16:05 – 3:16:18Speaker 23

I have one question regarding the reduction amounts. Is it always going to be or are we always recommended to go as low as administration costs or do we as a board discuss, do we feel like they should?

3:16:18 – 3:16:29Speaker 11

You just can't go below that. So when we tell you that, we tell you that's the lowest you can go. Whatever you want to do between that and the top number is up to you.

3:16:29 – 3:16:51Speaker 8

We in Point had a case, no names or anything else, several months ago where I think we assessed the full $10,000 fine because it was clear that I just... Didn't take care of business and didn't care and kind of thumb your nose. So we've had those. And I think that, again, my point earlier was I want to gather enough data that I can make a fair evaluation.

3:16:51Speaker 2

I agree as well.

3:16:51 – 3:17:22Speaker 8

Because if they basically tell them the city to take a hike and not being responsible for their property, Well, you know, it's not only our duty to get compliance, but in my mind, there's a certain level of responsibility that should be assessed there. Right. And that's being, to me, it's being judicious and fair. I agree. Like, look, you can't do this, you know? You're going to pay a penalty because you're not being responsible, and so next time be responsible. Right, wrong, or otherwise, that's kind of my viewpoint about it. To me, that seems fair.

3:17:23Speaker 12

So are we going to schedule an outside board meeting? Schedule it proper? I'm not leaving. I've discussed it. Okay.

3:17:30Speaker 11

We will have it at your meeting because everything has to be done in the screenshot. All right. Anything else before we get up?

3:17:38 – 3:17:54Speaker 11

We'll be a little more, yeah, we'll be a little more specific and get these ideas that you've talked about and get those things in place so that you can have what you need to make your decision. That's the goal here. Make sure that you have what you need so that you can make your comfortable decision.

3:17:57Speaker 8

One last comment I've got in there is I appreciate your due diligence on looking up that data. I think we all learned something about how best to approach that. What's that?

3:18:07Speaker 15

We weren't supposed to look it up.

3:18:09Speaker 8

Well, it was great, but don't do it. I just want to acknowledge that because at the end of the day, we're trying to make a fair adjudication, and any data we can get is good.

3:18:19Speaker 12

Any of these old cases, we should have all of the...

3:18:23Speaker 8

a good case summary or something presented by the city, and I think we can get it.

3:18:27Speaker 12

And welcome Matthew. All right.

3:18:28Speaker 8

Anything else before we go back? This has been an interesting experience. Going once, going twice.

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