Area Council - Regular Meeting

We're starting in one minute. All right, let's go. Okay. Uh let's go ahead and start with the flag salute. And Helen, would you like to lead us in flag salute? I would. I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Okay. So, um a motion of Okay. Yeah. Moment of silence. So, what do we do first? Moment. Okay. Go ahead. Mission statement.

Uh, math. Mission statement. The Middletown Area Town Hall was formed to operate as a true town hall with everyone participating in voting. However, county officials required us to elect a board to conform with other advisory committees. Our bylaws specify that the assembly makes the decisions based on the vote of everyone present. The board encourages all members to give their opinions and vote on every matter before the assembly.

Thank you, Cara. Thank you, Terara. Um, before we go into the moment of silence, I just want to let let everybody know that there are some flyers in the back that uh uh can give you the information you need for future uh projects for Tango Mike for the the folks that are overseas. And uh let's just take a moment of silence and and pray for their safety. We've got we've got 5,000 We got 5,000 uh servicemen right now who are uh uh currently in the military. Okay. Go ahead. Pleasure.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I I think we ought to take time to think about the young men and women that are overseas. I don't I'm not asking you to agree or disagree with any policy. just remember they don't have a vote on where they go or what they do and they always go and protect us and that's their job and they're hell they do a hell of a job. Also, I'd like for you to think in your moment of silence about those four people that are flying through the atmosphere here in a little bit and are going to be coming back to Earth from a very long mission. not a very long mission, but a far away mission. And give them your thoughts as you uh take time to to ask for uh your God, whoever, however you see him, his uh blessing on them. Thank you.

Safety. Okay. Thank you, Fletcher. Let's take a moment of silence. Okay. Um motion to approve the agenda.

Sure. Go ahead. I noticed that number eight has a Sutter Park survey results. Are we going to take a survey today so that we No, I'm just going to give you the results of last month. I can do that right now. There were 18 people who voted. 10 voted that they like the idea of a fitness park. Eight said there was u they didn't like it or that the parking was there was too much parking and we needed more park. And so there was adjustments made and I believe if you take a look up there you can get an idea of what's going on. Also what's that was added to that was uh the EV parking

right I wanted to see if there was any other space that well not much came up yesterday uh in the ELPAC meeting. So, I think we're going to have more, but I just did not I can't gauge what we're going to have with the with the area plan, how much time we're going to have for this, but we I really don't think we have anything with area plan. So, we should have some time. Okay. Okay. I'll speak to it in the public number. Um, I have no problem with you speaking about it in number six or number eight. Doesn't bother. Okay. All right.

Oh, yeah. There it is. Number Okay. So, a motion to approve the agenda. Yes, sir. Okay.

Testing. Um, it's a much different format than we've ever had and it creates some problems. Uh for example um we have no agenda items for action at all. Um and the reason for agenda is an agenda printed agenda is to give everybody an opportunity to know what's going to be brought before you for discussion and debate.

Um that that's absolutely necessary in order to to vote on any issue relative to the agenda. It has to be noticed and it has to be an action item. Uh number six is not an action item. So we can't vote on anything even though it says pick a name results and vote. You can't.

Okay. Uh let me uh let me clarify that for you Fletcher. Because of the 2050 plan and because we have in the old days we would we would walk through this stuff and we'd work until 10 11 o'clock at night. We got a 1 hour and a half time to do this. What I offered last month is I'm going to put as much as I can on the agenda and I'm offering to come in and do more than once a month with math to make up for the discrepancies. Now, compensating for the the 2050 plan, if anything that came up that was major yesterday on the 50 2050 plan, we weren't going to be able to get to anything else but that because that is the most important thing for us into the year 2050. So, I made the decision to have more there than less, not knowing what my time is really going to be because of uh the 2050 plan in the meetings. Now, the meeting yesterday went pretty smooth. I don't think anything new came up. We just kind of rehashed the same stuff we did in the other meetings. So, we have a chance to do here, but it's my fault and I take full responsibility for not putting the word action there. Okay? So, I would like for some folks to give us some consensus here at least so we can move forward on something simple like the name of the park. That's what I'm asking.

Can we amend it right now? To use the word action, you can't you can't make it an action item because the people on the outside have not been noticed. The people on the outside, Fletcher, they can go on the internet and they can see it on Math Town Hall. I'm just telling you, I wouldn't go I wouldn't go there, folks. If you want to go there, you can, but you'll suffer the consequences of violating the Brown Act. Yeah. Okay. Well, the last chairman wanted us all to go on Facebook, and I thought that was just atrocious. So, I created a website for people to do. Okay. That agenda.

So, it's accept the agenda as a discussion, noting necessarily voting. Exactly. Next month, we'll put action. We'll put action next to it. And so we if we get a consensus of hands, that's all we're that's all we're asking for today. May I ask the board a question? The agenda should be clear on each item and who's bringing it forward. So you know who the expert is, quote unquote, and who to query if you have questions regarding that item. Mhm. And that's the way it's always been and that's the way Robert Robertson's rules of order says

it it's to to organize the the debate so that everyone knows what's going on. So all all I'm saying is I don't have a problem. We can amend it any way you want, but I'm just saying in the future the agenda should have the agenda item and the maker of the agenda item so that we have someone speaking for that. And if someone wants to put an agenda item on and then they don't show up, we take it off the agenda. Okay, that's the way it's always been. And that makes sense to everyone. I think that's reasonable. I'm trying to adjust to changes, Fletcher. That's what I'm trying to do. Thank you, Fletcher. I think and as far as 2050 go, I don't know what the hell 2050 is.

The area plan, Fletcher. I The area plan has nothing to do with math. It has to do with individuals, but we don't we don't run math to fit the county's agenda. We should anyway in my opinion. You want to take this one, Helen? Yeah. Just got to hold it to your mouth. Just hold it up.

Um, you know what? I We're gonna All we want to do right now is start moving forward. We understand that. And I was going to touch on during my three minutes once we get where we can get to the three minutes and we get this uh uh passed. I was going to touch on bringing um our legal counsel in, Mr. Lloyd uh Gavano to uh give us a little um education on the Brown Act and go over that. So, I that's something I was going to be bringing up in just a few minutes, but let's if we can let's just go ahead and adopt this uh pass this if we can have a turn it back to Charlie and then I'll touch on it when I get to my three minutes.

Thank you, Helen. Move to approve agenda. Yes. I move to approve the agenda. Okay. Thank you. All right. All in favor? Now you need a vote. Call for all in favor. I Okay. Any any opposed? All right. Passed. Okay. Reports and con correspondence. Yes. No. No. Public input. Uh public input.

Public input. Okay. Uh if anybody has any public input, uh please come forward and uh yes and give some. If you have a suggestion or something you want to talk about, you want to vent for three minutes, you have it. I do have a timer here for three minutes. Okay. You want me to open it up? Go ahead. Sure.

Going to start. Um I'll just get my glasses and stand right here. I came to the meeting tonight um because I wanted to let everybody know that Pen has some projects for grounding, putting their wires underground and um they're going to be working in this area this year and I believe they'll have some projects again next year. Can everybody hear me? Okay.

Um they'll be starting on Western Mine Road. I believe the 27th is what's scheduled unless that changes. So, there will be construction in that area. Um, for any residents or people that use Western Mine Road that want more information, they will be at the firehouse, the South Lake County Firehouse on the 24th from 3:00 to 5:00 p.m. to answer questions. So, and then um I was going to bring up which was a good leadway from Mr. um Fletcher. I would love it if we would extend our math board would extend an invitation for our um county council to come in and cover Brown Act um so that we can have an edge, you know, things will flu flow smoother and we don't get in any trouble. So, okay. That's That's perfectly okay.

Yeah. And and I'll have Can we do that Can we do that a little later in the year though because we're so busy right now? You know what you guys I'm gonna I'm not doing it. This is for math to invite him. Okay. And I don't know what is on our schedule. So that's up for you to do. I would say the sooner the better. Yeah. But um at the same time I don't know what is on your agendas. So that is up for you to discuss. I'll talk to you about it offline. Okay. I have some ideas for And let me see if there's anything else. And also on that 24th date, she she did confirm that cuz she called me and she said she wasn't sure if it was the 17th or the 24th.

They had moved the dates. So originally it was the 17th and the start date was earlier and they shifted everything back about a week from where they originally were.

Okay. Thanks for grabbing that one. Yeah. Um, next thing, uh, I know I brought it up a little bit earlier with some of our, um, uh, historians here about the trees in Middletown and who's maintaining them. The lights in Middletown should be working now. I believe that we had Pione come in. I know there had been some complaints about street lights not working. So, I think they're fixed now. I was told by Lars Huing today that they are fixed. Um, so hopefully that's that's true. Um, let me see. Underground P. I think the next project after that, I think will be in the fall and that'll be around the casino area and I think there's three on their dockets for right now that that they had mentioned. Okay.

Oh, okay. All right. Very good. All right. Can we donate time? Like if I want two, three minutes, I could donate it to Helen. Then you're going to run the timer. No, I mean, can you do that? This is all new. So, you're going to yield time to go. Of course, you can come up anytime. Okay. Sure. I Yeah. No supervisor. No supervisor leaves here without saying something. Uh, this one's not working.

That one sounds better. Yeah, this one's got a red light. Red's not good. I think that's Oh, no.

Test test. Um, okay. So, a couple things here. First, I I do uh as many of you know uh Margot and I, we attend a lot of town halls and as a suggestion, I would suggest that uh you do have they all have a specific agenda item for the supervisor. So, if you don't have one, it would be a good idea just to add it. Uh the second thing I want to echo what Supervisor Owen said about the Brown Act training. Um, I I understand the comment, well, can we do that later in the year? And, uh, what I would encourage this commission to understand is that there's been new Brown Act um, uh, regulations that come into effect July 1st. So, it's already April and so you don't have a whole lot of time before those new things uh, come into effect. So even those that have Brown Act experience would probably benefit from the training sooner rather than later. Um so those are basically the only two things I have. Uh finally uh we are working I am as wearing my PEG TV board member hat. Uh Thomas and I and um others on the board will be looking at the technology. Right now Zoom is our seems to be our challenge but we'll be working on that. we might make changes. We'll let you know when that occurs. Thank you.

Thanks, Tom. Let me add to what Tom had to say, and that's that that the Marin County, they actually uh do the entire uh Brown Act training online. It's just a matter of me getting that uh that link and give it to everybody. So, uh uh it is possible to do that. And they're they're very uh they're much farther ahead than we are when it comes to the Brown Act and the rules. Um, also on our Lake County Peg TV, uh, we also cover the the Brown Act. Oh, good. Yeah. So, you can also view it there. I'm not exactly sure where it's at. It should be in our playlist, though.

Okay. My name is Lana and I'm mostly here because of Helen because I met her a while back at the community park when she was running for office. And the instant I met her, life changed. And so I think we are so lucky to have Helen as our supervisor because she cares about us and she operates with heart. And I also wanted to thank Margot, Tom, and Nanette. That's another reason I'm here. And although I have quite an extensive background in leadership, I wasn't involved in our town at all. But uh I found this when I came to the first meeting. At first I didn't think I was going to come back when I attended the first one, but I came back and I see it's a wonderful opportunity to have input into our community. And I have two beautiful granddaughters who live in this town and a son and daughter-in-law who are very involved in little the little league cobb sports area. So after we had the opportunity to bring up about the 2050 which I had no idea I probably won't still be here but you never know. And so I took that opportunity after the last meeting to go and have input into the process. So I asked my family because I'm not you know I'm not going to be here probably down the road too. You never know. Any rate, I asked my family and so my son who's a brilliant engineer, global engineer,

his suggestion was for that empty lot, we got the little issue by the bar and that kind of stuff that we built a multi-use sports complex. And my thought was we could easily face the door away from that other activity. And so that was his suggestion. My 13-year-old granddaughter, she wants a place to hang out with her friends around town. So, I'm thinking we need a safe place. Not to be rude, but this is on the agenda. Is it? It is on the agenda. Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah, I'm bad. But we loved everything you said about Helen, so we gave you a break. I can come back to town hall. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

Thank you. Helen's my hero. Thank you. Thank you, Lisa.

Uh, Lisa Kaplan. So, just giving you guys an update on the sculpture. I think I mentioned that we're looking for $10,000. We have a $5,000 match challenge. Uh, talking about the sculpture by Diego Harris out in the park. I would like to bring a sketch. He just finished a big project. So, I hope to bring a sketch. Maybe we could send it out by email and I can attach some sort of a feedback form so that you guys can write what you'd like to write. So at least you feel like you've had your say and we will take into consideration the things that you say. That's number one. And we would appreciate help raising money in any amount that's going to be helpful. Uh me I would like to have a more picture. But on my website on the middletown artcenter.org website is a page. Uh I think it's under rooted in place for Diego sculpture.

It's not you. Go ahead. And then uh the other thing, so you can go there, middletownartcenter.org. Uh and also it would be nice to get permission maybe because it's for Middletown to put that on the Facebook page of the math so that people can find it. You mean the web page? Yeah, on the Facebook page. You send me something, I'll I'll put it in there. Okay. Do you have access to the Facebook page? I not Facebook web page. We have a web page. We don't do Facebook. Okay. Okay. Yeah. We're not doing I've never had access to the Okay. I have access to the Facebook page. So, if it needs to be passed down to somebody, I We didn't We didn't want We didn't want it.

Okay. Um I missed that conversation. Um there was something else I want to say. You guys, the Middletown Art Center is still for sale. Help me find somebody to buy it. You don't want us to go away. You don't want us even to change where we are. The corner is like so beneficial to our activities. you know, just having that indoor outdoor space. If we have to move, let's say there's a place in Middletown where we can be, but we won't have access to that corner and what are we going to put portaotties there? Ew. So, you know, to have outdoor events. So, I mean, we can be on the corner, but we don't have bathrooms. That's the problem. So, help me figure out how to buy that place. Not me. I can't, but somebody buy it so I can continue to rent because the MAC has become a really important asset to our community. Thank you.

Thank you.

Hello, math. Margot Kara, Blake County, Let me get this right. Lake County General Plan Advisory Committee representative. Um, I thought your standing uh agenda item included the s supervisor's report. So, I was waiting till I could ask my question then. Bratz, it's not on the agenda. So, I'm going to use this time to urge you, please make that a standing agenda item because I have questions for Supervisor Owen at today's I'm sorry, not today's at Tuesday. That's not That's not you.

Time travel. Um so anyway uh at Tuesday's board the supervisors meeting there was an update on the ad hoc energy policy committee and supervisor Owen is on it. It has to do with geother partly with geothermal. It should be a broad policy on energy. So that's very important to our future and it's an important part of the general plan. In fact we met on that uh two weeks ago. So, we need to keep on top of what's happening there because it looks like that committee is now going to be funneled to a point of contact, a staff person. And so, when developers have questions or proposals, they're going to go to that staff person. So, I don't know if the committee is going to continue to work on these issues that we need answers on or if it's all going to go to the staff people. So, that would be important for us to know. Now, here's another footnote for you on the Brown Act. Math is unique. You're the only council where everybody gets to vote, board members and assembly. So, it's important, excuse me, that you guys are up to speed on what the Brown Act requires. Thank you. Okay.

Thank you.

Anybody else? Okay. So, now reports and correspondence. Correspondence. Um, so April 15th, they're going to have a uh 2050 meeting and it's going to be in the multi-purpose room at 5:30. Correct. the the ELPAC or not the ALPAC, the general plan, the general plan. Just think of it as a new as the as the area plan. If you have anything with the area plan, you need to be there.

So, April 15th here, 5:30. Uh general plan closes on April 24th and the public comment and general local plans close on April 30th. So, we want to try to get all of our comments in before then. Um, you can make comments online as well. Anybody at home, um, if you're not able to get out and about and come to any of these meetings, um, you can access that online as well. So, um, board of supervisor meeting on May 12th, 1 p.m. cannabis odor, um, that's going to be at the Lake County Courthouse. Um, April 16th, Ben Borgens is going to have an emergency communications. He's starting at that committee um mi emergency communications meeting at Sue Gardens at 6 p.m. on April 16th. There's also a mama mixer on April 14th. Um where is that one going to be? Tanya

six. Six sigma April 14th. And tango mic. Yes. What time? For the the mama mixer. 6 p.m. Okay. Um Yeah. And Tango Mike. So is that That's not this though. Yeah. There's um there's flyers in the back. Flyers in the back for for Tango Mike. Okay. So I just got that meeting at Aren't they normally six to eight?

Um, generally they're kind of always 6 PM to 8:00 PM unless somebody has changed something. Okay.

Okay.

Uh, yes. I can let everybody know if there's any changes. Um, I believe it's at 6 PM, but if it is different, I can email that out. You can also check on the Mama Facebook. They post everything there. What was the date of the last comments for the general plan? Uh, general plan closes on April 24th. The public comment and for the general plan and local plans closes on April 30th. So, we want to submit everything by then. closes on the 24th. Oh, the EIR. Okay, this is different. EIR closes on the 24th and then the general plan closes on the 30th. Yes.

Thank you. Six Sigma says from 5 to 7 on the Facebook page. Okay. 5 to 7 on the Mama Mixer April 14th at six sigma. That's what it says on the Facebook page. Okay. Hopefully that's not a typo. Okay. Yeah. Okay. I'm going to flip back up to the uh approval of the March U meeting minutes. A motion to approve the March meeting minutes. That's number four on the agenda.

Motion to approve. I second. Okay, there you go. Thank you, Nanetta. Um, all those in favor? All those in favor? Against. Anyone opposed? Opposed. Okay. Motion passed.

Okay. Now we're down to number six. All right. This is uh this is the pick a park results. We uh it's not an action item. I should have put it as an action item. I really, this is my second meeting I've ever boarded. And I did know where we're going to have to get with the 2026 plan and what was going to come out of the meeting yesterday. Like I said, it was a very quiet meeting. Not much came out of there that we can report to you. So, that was the good side. So, um, last last month I gave everybody a survey of what they would like to see and the most popular choices were Square Park, which is going to go on the map as Square Park if we don't make a decision. So, if we can't get a consensus by hands, we're going to have a square park on the map because the county on the 30th of April is going to print maps and they're going to say Middletown is a square.

Middletown Square Park. Middletown Square Park. Yeah. Okay. But it's not an official name. Okay. Then you have Library Park, which was the other choice. And then the third one was Gateway Park. Now, um, if you'd like to speak on those three and come to the, uh, podium for three minutes and talk about why you want it to be Square Park, feel free to do that. Anybody in support of Square Park and want to give us your spill?

We don't have enough time, Lisa. We We're really This one was dumped on us at one of the at the at the at the area plan meetings and I was like, "Okay, I'll have to make it happen somehow." We did it last time. So, yeah, last week we had proposals and everybody voted on their top. We did last week. So, if you were here, so last meeting. Oh, yeah. Sorry. Last meeting. So, if you don't want Square Park and you'd like to speak on some other park, go feel free to come forward and speak about that. Nette Deonado. I think whatever the name is, it should include Middletown. It's our park. It should be our name. I agree.

Um, sure. If you got a microphone to walk that far,

the park has always been Middletown Square Park. There's no reason to change the name. Um when we when we started building it, we just naturally called it that. I mean, nobody voted on it. There was no committee, but everyone involved from uh uh Mr. Browning who thought the park up and Commtock who made it happen and everyone thought it should be called Middletown Square Park. And I think we ought to stick with that name. It doesn't won't offend anybody, I don't think. and we'll have that out of our way. So, I would suggest that we just adopt that name and be done with it. We We don't need to spend that much time on the name of a park. Thank you.

Okay. I object. Never heard I've lived here a long time. Never heard this thing called Square Park. I think it should be a name that is very welcoming to everybody and Square Park doesn't resonate with me. Gateway Gateway. Yes. Yes.

I'm gonna speak really quick. Linda asked me to speak for her because she's sick today. And the reason Linda kind of came up with the gateway park is because this is the gateway to Lake County. So the Middletown Gateway Park is um how she came up with that name and just she asked me to do that. So hi um Monica Rosenthal. I just wanted to uh loosen up the deadline a little bit um because it's not there's not a hard deadline at the 30th. You could ask the director of uh community development to use the name that whatever they have in there currently as a placeholder and let them know that this discussion is going on that it's not final on the 30th. That's when it goes back when we're kind of done as a community reviewing it. it goes back to the consultants and will come back around in August um again for another series of public hearings including at the planning commission. So um so there is still time and again the request could be to director Turner to just request to you know have a placeholder name in there and that this community is working at developing a name.

Okay. Yeah. I've always known it as Middletown Square Park and I also I'm Tanya Streick and I also don't see any reason to call it anything else and it's not Square Park, it's Middletown Square Park and if you're not familiar with lots of communities across this great country of ours, they have town squares. Oh, good point.

This is their town square. This is sort of like our our community building here, our library, our senior center, our town square. This is it. We don't have a city hall. We don't have a you know, this is it. And so I personally am all for still and it's Middletown Square Park on the park and recreations, you know, website. That's

Yeah. Anyway, that's my opinion. Hi, Laurel Hogan. Um, I like the idea of place names to help with the local people. So, although it's a beautiful idea to be the gateway of Lake County, I think it helps more in a reference when you say you're going to meet at the Middletown Square Park. And if you're local amongst middletowners, you might just say square. Um, and that's why I like I like it to have a visual of what you've seen. You've seen that square over there. Um, you don't see a gate and you don't see a sign that says gateway and I think it's a little bit too much more than the essence of this community. I like the sweet simpleness of it. I maybe won't even vote because I want everyone to have what they have, but that's just I just wanted to share my opinion since I had a chance with that. Thanks. Bye.

Thank you very much. Charlie, I don't think you finished saying what the tally was. Did you tell us what the whole tally was when people did? It wasn't a vote. It was just a suggestion last month on when it came to that. It was just a suggestion. Terra, you want to the top tallies were um Square Park, Middletown Square Park, Library Park, and the Gateway Park. So, those were three. Those were the top three. But it wasn't the numbers. Which one? You didn't the It was Gateway and Library were the top square was sec or second. So, okay.

If if I may, uh, of course, a name is very subjective. Is this on, by the way? Yeah. Oh, very good. Uh I I know from a marketing standpoint uh not that that's the most important issue but uh the the gateway concept uh I know Windsor gateway to the wine country you know the golden gate you know it's a like you know you're you're going to a different place you're you're entering this new experience and Middletown is is something special and again they're all perfectly fine names but that's just resonated with me.

Yeah. And the way this was was was brought to me was that uh we didn't have a name and somebody just gave it the name square park and so we have now a chance to do it because of the 2050 plan to give our park a name. So that's how I was told when I when when and then I was given the uh the task of saying you guys if you want to get a name that's was randomly chosen as square park other than that then that's what the map is going to say. So, let's just say April 30th, uh, if we didn't come to a conclusion on this, at least some type of consensus, then it's going to be Square Park. If we took a, uh, if if I had put action in as a word, we could have done it now. But that's that's on me. But if we had a consensus that says, okay, you know, I want to keep Square Park and and the discussion in there, that's fine. But I thought Gateway Park was was perfectly good idea. I mean, it's too bad Linda isn't here because she was so passionate last month about it. Go back and watch the video. Linda gave a long speech about how important it was to be the gateway. Okay. So, uh, if Linda's watching right now, dog gone it, you know, everybody go on YouTube for Linda and take a look at that because, uh, I do I did tell her, you know, Linda, I will do everything I can because you just you touch my heart. So, um, that's that's where I'm at with this, you know, so far. Anybody else? Okay. We should try and make everybody happy.

Yeah, we should. But um we should try and make everybody happy. What if we were to do do something? I'm glad that so Middle Town is in the Square Park name. Yeah. So, uh I don't suppose we could slip Gateway in there, too. Middletown Gateway Square Park. Middletown. That might be too much. Middletown.

I just I was surprised to hear it. Uh I would like to honor the people who've lived here longer than I have that apparently know the history and that it is called Square Park. just the first I ever heard of it. One of the other um things that Linda One of the other things Linda had mentioned was um there's currently already a library park in Lakeport. So she didn't want to have two library parks in the county. So I I needed to add that. I forgot the first time. Thank you.

Okay. So, even though this isn't an action item, I'm wondering if it wouldn't hurt just to have a show of hands. If one's overwhelmingly in one direction, then we could maybe put it to bed next meeting. But can we do that, Charlene? Maybe. Sure, we can do that. Let's go ahead. Um, if you want to keep it Square Park, raise your hand. Middletown Square Park. Middletown Square Park. One, two, three, four, five, six, six, nine, seven. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven. Seven. Seven. Okay. Eight. No, that was seven. This was She was seven. Sorry. Did you vote for Square Park? Not me. No, Tara did.

Yeah, I'm fine with Square Park. That was seven. Right. I think all of this is unnecessary. Now, Gateway Park. Gateway. Middletown. Middletown. Gateway Park. Middletown. Gateway Park. Six. Eight. That's a tie. Oh, wow. It's exciting. Tom, you should have drugged your wife here. You should have brought your wife. Well, it is Linda. That's the tiebreaker. It's all Tom's fault. He didn't bring his wife. Nicely done, Tom. Yeah, it was just nice to know. We'll make that We'll make that a fun action next month. Somebody better do some campaigning one way or the other. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, Fletcher. Yes, Fletcher. I I But we didn't make a motion. Yes. Okay. Go ahead. Let him make the motion. Go ahead and make a motion. Okay. Is that okay? I make a motion that we table this until next month and that we inform the the uh the electorate or the body through communication that there will be an action item to name the park. Okay. Period. rename to to rename the park or officially name it officially. It only has a name in your heart and mind. Do we have a second? I second. I second.

Can I ask for amendment to that? Placeer. Placeolder.

Wow. How much they pay you, Margo? Okay, we'll do we'll put that off until that time. Okay, there's been a motion seconded. Now, let's vote. Question. All right. All in favor? All in favor? I. Anyone opposed? Passed. Very good.

All right. So, um, next would be we were supposed to discuss yesterday, but we didn't. We were supposed to discuss water and soil and we didn't get there. So, um, I went there prepared to put something on the table about water and if you don't have one of these, go ahead and get one. They're back there. It's all the PowerPoint slides and everything that have been put together on Sanelina Creek and what we can do uh to uh revive it. The long and short of it is this. I I went to Helen and said, "Helen, we got to do something about South County. We got to do something about the people on the on the creek." Um, they run out of water constantly. The county seems to love to take money for permits for big agricultural things. Let's just say cannabis and um they they they suck a lot of water and there's no water in that creek. We know that because the water doesn't make it from the months of June through September to Middletown or to least to the the Perry's Bend, the bend in the creek at Perry's. So, what I asked what I asked for is uh I did my homework. I looked at the 2010 area plan. I looked at the 2025 uh or 2020 uh well this area plan the 2026 area plan and I said hey you know how can I do this and and find find the money and find the energy and to revive the town. So the ideal is since we don't have water and the and Calomi is not obligated to give anybody in the south part of the county any water. Okay, they are a business and they're only obligated to give water to where their pipes are and their pipes don't go anywhere near there. Um, if we could get the state to take water from the Calonei

uh Calomi uh uh aquifer and Helen has secured that aquifer and a well uh for us near the the mansion and we can have the state pipe the water out to the state bridge. Any of the state bridges doesn't have to be the Hilderbrand bridge. I just picked that one. Pipe it to the to the Hilderbrand Bridge during those months. Drop it in. Let the water flow naturally the way it was made. Same place where the water came from. Go back down the creek through the town. Save the fish, save the environment, save everything. And we'll have water here in in those months. Now, my research is this. I can't speak for the tribe, but the tribe, their constitution says they have they they do and they have to support these kinds of actions. So, I didn't look at it from the point of view of a Middletown thing. I looked at it as everything between the Napa County line and the Weatherwax Bridge. Okay, that is not getting the water. What's What's the benefits for us? I think it's good for business. I think that with the fish there, we can actually start thinking about uh we used to stock that creek with water from the Smith trout farm. Um I've had a lot of locals tell me that when they when they drop the fish in there, everybody has a good time, catches 20 25 fish at a time. The whole town enjoyed that. Um those kinds of things would would be a beneficial uh we would be basically keeping the nursery open for the salmon that are coming back in from the Puda Creek all the way up uh to Sanelina Creek that end up dying when those when those water holes go dry. So it's it's all in it's all in this packet. I'm not going to push any harder than this. If you want to discuss this, uh, feel free to come to the microphone or if you want to read this and we can put make it a future agenda item, just make a motion to put it on the agenda. That's all I got.

Go ahead. We live right off Mirabel and that's where the water stops every year, right in front of right behind our house. So, we fortunately have enough water, but south of that and there's a lot of residents that have been here for a long time and they have to go to Calomi every year and buy water. It's not super expensive, but it's a lot more expensive than having water piped to your house. Okay.

I would just like to comment that my relatives live in Hawaii where it rains a lot and in the winter middle town it rains a lot. And what is this I hear about an ordinance? You're not allowed to collect rainwater. Now, I like to garden. So, if you would have the ability to collect rainwater in the winter, that would definitely help our water supply. Is there an ordinance that says that? No. I think Colorado has that, but California does not. California has no ordinance against doing that. Oh, go ahead. Go ahead, Todd. Do you know if there's an ordinance on that? Um on what?

Uh to collect rain water. There's no ordinance that says you can't collect rain water. Uh not that. If you're going to build a pond, county has the right to our water because of this. No, no, no. We We're rain water. You cannot collect any rain water. That's weird. Did Did they sell because Yolo County has the rights to the water coming through from this is a Peuda Creek wershed district. No, it's not Yolo. It's it's it's Solano County. Solano County. Well, either way, one of the two. There was out in Pope Valley. We had a problem when Yolo County was involved. Hanging. I don't know. There's that. There's everybody do now. There's plenty of laws. There's there's We could go deeper. We can go deeper in that. Just

you can read this if you'd like. It'll tell you where it is. The state. Go ahead, Todd. Hi, I'm uh Todd Fiora. I'm the general manager for Calomi County Water District. Um Helen helped Calomi Water secure a well where we drilled a test well by the mansion. Um so that's what you were talking about. That's the one. Yeah. U so for I mean you can't just plum to a part in the or to a part of the creek and then dump water into the creek from a well um without certain permissions I assume whether it's fishing game or something but um

read the packet but then two you got to think of who's going to pay for that how much water is it going to require you talking about pumping into the creek 24/7 while it's dry so you have a flow um that's going to be very expensive. I don't think anybody's going to want to pay for that.

Um so there's got to be better ways. I would look into better ways. And I think one thing that is possible is I know the Middletown Rancheria has rights to create a reservoir um some somewhere I think between the rancheria and St. in a mountain um and collect water and maybe working with them to um get that going, create a reservoir and have it collect water and hook be hooked to the creek and have

the state water board. There are there are other projects exactly like this that the state water board has approved. We'd have to get it pushed through. And of course, we'd be asking the state, the current situation in the south county is this. During the drought, Lakeport says you're not going to get any water from us. Calomi says you want water, come on down and buy it. Okay? And so you take your truck down there and you and you truck the water in. Um the the state said, "We would love to put a meter on your on your house." And actually there is a there is a a law that says anybody that sells their house, like if I sell my house, they can put a meter on my property and they can start taking uh tracking what how much water that I'm using, okay, on my property with my riparian rights, but they will not do anything for us. So we're still set out there in the middle and uh nobody else is responsible for us except for the state. So, if you read through the packet, it's going to take probably about 50,000 gallons of water uh uh a day or should say a night because you do it at night. And we've done it before back in the old days when everybody was arguing about water and the early 90s when I lived here and I had a $2 million lawsuit against me. Um, we had we had uh talked to the Livermore family who where the old man Livermore was a good neighbor and a and a good steward of the of the of the water. He would allow 50,000 gallons to pass from Napa County into Lake County and keep us alive. And so those droughts we had in the 90s, we never had the problem. The problem came is when our folks on our side started saying, "You're taking all of our water. We're going to call a lawyer." and his lawyers were bigger than ours because he he basically sells water to Nestle which is one of the biggest companies in the world and we we didn't have the clout to go after him which we should never have anyway because he was giving us something for free and now we have to pay. That's the history behind it Todd.

Um yeah so then the other thing is uh I mean we're a water district where we um provide um safe potable drinking water. So, I don't know if we could just really pump water into the creek unless it was like statemandated like Hidden Valley. I think I don't know if they still do that, but they do something like that because the state water board would make that decision. You and I wouldn't make that decision.

Yeah. So, um anyways, I I just don't see that as a likely solution. And it sounds very expensive. So, then you get back to who's going to pay for it. Um and uh Calomi um yeah, we provide bulk water um to like contractors and we actually just extended it to residents out um south of Lake actually south of Lake County outside of Lower Lake where they also run out of water um as a courtesy for our you know community and stuff. So, um, and we can extend out to, um, South Middletown. It just takes uh the community out there um working with us to do it because um you guys like if you guys banded together and annexed in or applied for grants or something or we could apply for the grant but we need you know people we need to know that everybody's going to want to hook up. We can't just

try to get a grant. Say we got a grant and then we um get water out there and then no or only five people hook up and then I I would I would say, you know, I've been Well, anyways, we're willing to work with I've been doing this everybody. That's something. So, so Todd, it's it's great what you It's great what you're saying and I would love to I would love for you to do that, but the last time you were here, you said that you you didn't have the the pumps to take it out that far. Okay. Yeah. It's going to take infrastructure to make it all work because it's a higher elevation. So, it would take a pump station and a storage tank to we fill the storage tank to feed that um area. It'd be a different pressure zone.

Well, environmentally, if the state wants to save the fish and the salmon, they can pay for it. That's what we're looking at. So, we'd probably go past the county and go straight to to Sicilia Aguilar and the state would have to look at it from that end. Yeah, but when it comes to drinking water though is gone and I I researched it and you if you take the time to read it, you get it. I'm gonna come to your meeting on on uh was it next Thursday? Yeah, sure. Okay, I'll be there. Yeah. And then um but anyways, that's Calomi's well, too. So, okay. Um I understand. Yeah. Can I can I say something at the end of Todd's?

Um either way, they're going to need numbers on how many people it's going to affect. So whether we bring pipelines out or whatever. So banding the south uh middle town that area that's needing water together and start getting them kind of getting numbers on how many people is going to be crucial no matter which direction you go and before you can go. Y So I don't know if we have a um spark plug in the room that would like to start getting that kind of together. Okay, I'll do that. I'll do that. No, you know what, Charlie? I'll do that. Yeah, I'll do that. As far as the creek goes, I'll do that. As far as water, getting people together, getting people together.

I'm talking about um about getting the people, the whole community together and and have their names listed on who would be interested. Yes. In addressing water issues. Yes. Um, another thing too, um, Twin Lake Subdivision, they created like some sort of committee or group to where they got a grant to annex in to Lower Lake water system. Um, and Boris Brumfield was a part of that. So, she'd be a really good asset to reach out to

um, to see pretty much how to do it. Um, I mean, yeah. So we I mean we have our rateayers in our boundaries like so like the money we get is from them and we use to provide water to them and uh so I mean we could only do so much pretty much but we need you know other people to get involved. Yes, we need the numbers to make this project this project is more towards saving the creek and the and the environment.

So and I kind of see two different topics here. One is drinking water and possibly getting a permanent infrastructure of piping from potable water from a system that's already established. The other one is to save the creek for fish, wildlife, tourism, fishing, you know, those kinds of things. I'm not saying that, you know, if you're putting 50,000 gallons uh a day or a night for three months, that's not necessarily going to solve a drought problem to some of the water users at the at the homes, especially if you're, you know, depending on where you put it in at. But the these are like two different items of things

and and I think they're both fantastic and I think every I think there's plenty of people in the south end. I live in the south end, so I'm I'm I'm happy to try and spearhead just interest lists and maybe uh meeting getting together for coffee at Perry's, you know, every other Saturday and to see what kind of, you know, I don't even have ad list of addresses and names and and things to get out. Maybe I can get that from Helen so that we could get something in the mail inviting them. So, um I I appreciate both you and Charlie and Todd and Calomi really trying to address this. I didn't realize you were talking about for I'm talking about I'm talking about I'm talking about environmental he's more environmental she's talking about the hills like

two different things west all that all the other side of the highway they they're a whole different water problem. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So two two different issues but I think they're both wonderful and I think this is the place to kind of discuss it. So um Charlie's done a great job on his presentation. Read it, investigate it and um ask questions, you know. Did you? No. Go ahead.

Uh Tom L. I want to Whoa. Time out. This is a gag. Uh you know what? Hi. Uh I just want to uh I heard a couple comments. I just wanted I think some issues about water I I like what you guys are talking about but this issue about rainwater collection I think something's been conflated here as in the state of California since the rainwater act of 2012 you are off you are allowed to collect rainwater okay there's no uh there's nothing against that it's the 2012 rain and water capture act homeowners can legally collect water you do not need a water rights permit and it doesn't limit how much you can can't collect as long as it doesn't create a health and safety issue.

It's collecting rainwater.

As long as it as long as it's for a health and safety issues. So, for example, you could collect rain water and if you put it through a filtration system to make it potable, you would be fine. Um, most people collect rain water for gardening and whatnot. And that's totally legal. It's totally allowed. the yellow water rights uh and you can look this up. It's for surface water and lakes streams and ponds. So once it enters into the water courses of of the county, then the the rules change. But if it's on your land and it's you can't collect it from driveways and parking lots and uh things like that, but you can certainly collect it from your your um from the rooftops of your house or your other structures. So, um I I'd like and I I don't believe YOLO has the water rights to all of the county, only the part that's in the Clear Lake watershed. So, and that I think that's particularly relevant to this part of the county where the water actually goes in a different direction. So, um I encourage you to to look it up on the internet. Look it up because you know the internet never lies. That's uh but the the information is there. Um so anyways, I just wanted to avoid any conflation of that and I'll give it back to the

yeah our the state has ruled against ruled had there's the state has already made the rules on how we can we can control the water in Sanina Creek and all the water basically belongs to Travis Air Force Base and uh Salanto County. We have nothing to do with Yolo County. Yolo County and Kousa County and all those guys are all part of a different water basin. We're unique in the county and we're the only ones who actually had a a salmon run that came every year. So, for us to to go back to what it used to be, it would take some time to to to uh make sure we have enough water in the creek. And that's my point is if we have beautiful soils along the creek and we have no water and we're awarding permits to cannabis growers, it makes no sense at all. Millions of gallons of water going nowhere. Okay. And u so that's that's my two bits on that and I probably should shut up. Um, number one, I would suggest to the chairman that in the future if he wants to speak on an issue longer than two minutes that he turn chair over to the vice chair so that he's free to speak and come up to the microphone like everyone else. That's just good policy and I've been called on it myself. So,

thank you. As far as water goes, I I I I understand the water need out there, but it's it's something else to think about piping water out there and putting it in a creek. You you are you are in for some tough times. You get the core of engineer and everybody involved. If you pipe it out there and distri distribute it by way of meters, you got a chance. But if you're going to try to put water from here into a creek, uh you you're going to be in big trouble because the repairarian rights that these people have over that water is going to come into play in everyone that's involved.

So anyway, that's all I just go ahead and read it. Yeah. All right. I think we've hit this one enough. Anybody else? I have one more thing. Okay. For the agenda for an agenda item next week or next month, I mean, and apologize. Okay. Um, can we we talked about it, but we didn't make a move on bringing this meeting a little earlier. So, is that possible to to move it earlier? We had talked about it and it seemed like we were in agreement, but at least put it on the agenda so we can talk about it. Okay. We can do it again, but it hasn't passed every time we've tried. Okay. Oh, okay. I didn't realize that. then we don't need to if if we voted on it.

We never voted. Not the last I didn't remember voting on it. I thought we brought it. You're talking about historically. We we've tried in the past and we couldn't get an agreement. Well, that's okay. That was the past. Let's let's put it on today. That's why I just kind of tried to push it back and push it back. I did talk to Tom about when the in the summertime less people come. We could talk about it maybe around that time because we could give it more time and maybe make some progress on it. But we're a commuter town by Well, it'd be a quick um Do we want to start at 6:00? Do we want to start at 5:30? Show of hands. 6:30. It's 6:30 right now. And so if it's seven now, so it's seven now.

Okay. So it So just putting the times down and just show hands would be great. Okay. Okay. Well, that's why it needs to come to vote. Yeah. Oh, we can put it on the agenda next. We can put it on the agenda and we can give it another shot. Okay. Yeah, that's fine. Thank you. Yes, we are going to try. We're going to try. Okay. You know, just so everybody knows, I brought Zoom back, so we'll get it on the agenda for future meetings.

Okay. I wanted to speak to item number six on the agenda. The uh it says Sutter Park survey results and parking committee revised proposal. Uh last week, last meeting, we submitted a u a draft of a a drawing of the Sutter uh park that has been donated to us there. Uh and uh this side just the parcel just this side of the liquor store. And um we we drew something up because uh there was a big request for um parking. So we had a lot of parking on it. And then uh a lot of people said uh no that's too much parking. We don't need all that parking. So we revised it and uh we're trying to u find something that we can get some consensus on. There's a picture of it of the revised drawing there. It shows uh 30 parking spaces and then th this half of the parcel with the Methodist church here is all for um adult ex outdoor exercise equipment. I don't know if you have seen it but in some of the upscale communities like Santa Cruz and Scots Valley. They have all the all really neat outdoor exercise equipment that just lasts all through all different kinds of weather. And uh that would meet what one of Sutter's guidelines that their uh restrictions that they have on the u on donating this parcel is they want uh they want some health oriented things there. So, um, this this has not been yet submitted to Sutter, uh, but we wanted to, uh, have it open for discussion and, uh, get get your feedback on this and see if you, uh, like the way that we've, uh, split up the parking and the, uh, outdoor health orientation.

And I'd like to make a comment on that. Um in previous meetings it was unanimously uh or I would say um not unanimously but it was decided that it was not appropriate for anything geared up towards children. So uh that was the focus to steer it to steer it towards health of adults and since it's so close to the senior center and people could be coming to and from and exercise and also have lunch that was what the focus was not. Yes, we might need to have uh more activities for kids, but this particular park didn't seem to be conducive for that for a number of reasons. So,

so we're going to uh speak with I I'm looking forward I'll come back to you next month after I speak with Sutter and see um uh if they're, you know, just how much they're going to pigeon hole us and um see see what uh how much leeway we have in and working something that we that meets our needs. And uh to add to that, we had a meeting last year in July about EV parking. So, we're going to include EV parking also in that entire packet. So, it's not just it's not just the we're going to try to bundle both and not pay for anything hopefully. So,

yeah, I was going to make a quick comment, too, that it's important to understand that the uh the park will require parking as just part of the the plan going forward. Of course, people using the park will need to be able to park. Uh what I liked about the the the drawing that came forward was that you you just utilize just a little bit of additional area to get that to get the additional parking but still have a completely functional park. So I I I was very happy with that. Can I say something real quick on the EV part on the EV um chargers? Um that would go through Lars Huing and currently we're kind of talking about maybe having one here at the senior center

for the because that seemed logical. I don't know how many will get in this area. And when and then I had also suggested don't know if it'll go through down by the Middletown pool and the reason there was because then that way the teachers that have EV cars. So um so that's in the talks just food for thought. Good good to know Helen. Very good to know.

We had no idea about that. So, Nette Donado with the parking committee and they asked me to do a little history on it. Parking committee was formed at the end of 2025 because of various businesses that expressed concerns that customers were being impacted when coming in or out of Middletown and could not find sufficient parking to eat or shop. In the meeting process, uh we were looking for various areas we could put parking in. Things came into play, ideas, possibilities, costs, lighting, maintenance, etc. We then discovered that we did have a grant already that already had parking included, which everybody talked about. Sutter uh health has given the Middletown has given the town of Middletown a grant for the property of Highway 29. Are we able to show the pictures?

Uh, we don't have all set up. Um, so anyway, I went in last week and took pictures of different areas and I can uh email them to everybody. Okay. Okay. Um, we and this body determined that because the property was on Highway 29 next to the liquor store as well as Noble's Bar. was unsuitable for children and an adult park theme exercise park was more appropriate. So we did that came out of this body included in the grant. Now I have down 24 that's what we discussed parking spaces. It's actually 30.

It's actually 30. Okay. And that was included with the park. So that solved our problem and also it got us going on getting this park instead of being an open lot. other grants we qualify for. Oh, and um plus the exercise. So, the drawing that he did would have the parking in the front on Highway 29, the exercise, adult exercise equipment on the back to be determined by either Sutter Health or this body. Uh other grants we qualify for are the EV charging stations for electric cars. And at our supervisor's request, if you go by that property, there are three redwood trees. We want to keep those there, possibly being the entrance of the parking lot. They would remain in place. And Hank Leer has volunteered his time and skills and done a rendering which also includes bicycle racks. The parking committee has approved of this plan and we're bringing this to math for approval. It will then go to public works, the supervisors, and Sutter Health. I'm not sure which order, but there's a process that we have to go through, but we have to start with this body here. And we have a floating deadline, I believe, but we need to move on it. Um, just because we want to get things done instead of discussing, discussing, discuss, let's just get her done.

Good. Okay. Good. Very good. If someone can um make a motion. Oh, you want to do a consensus vote or something? Yeah. Or a motion to approve. I just have one question or input or just, you know, idea. If we were to flop and do the equipment closer to the road and then um by the redwood trees and then the parking in the back, would that afford us like maybe two even more parking spaces? Uh because we have wouldn't have would not give up for the redwood

for the redwood trees. And then also I think that the redwood trees might provide some natural shade for the equipment and be kind of nicer. Yeah. Um and nicer to look at when you're driving through and not looking just at the parking. You're looking at maybe Yeah. some other stuff. We went with this way because we went we went with this way because um the parking uh people like to not have to walk as far after they've parked their car and uh I think the parking spaces would be um much would the way it's drawn up there would lend itself more to uh the businesses on on Main Street there. Yeah.

Would you would you consider giving up a parking spot so the EV folks can sit, you know, at a park bench or something there while the car charges? Because that's that happens in most parking places where they just they'll park and they'll sit there. Something like that. The EV parking on the drawing is very close to the benches. Okay. Yeah. Okay. So, since officially a vote is not an action item on the agenda, we can make a motion now to include it on next month's official agenda for a vote. Well, you want to get a complete project and we just do a consensus vote. We'll send this out so people can actually

Yeah, I can send it out to everybody so that everybody can look at it. You want to get a consensus vote on it or not? Sure. Sure, why not? Sure. How many How many people like the idea right now? Hands Hands up if you like it. I think it needs adjustments. Okay. It does. It always does. Go ahead. Go, Tom. You go, Tom. I have a statement regarding um when I was on the math board earlier years ago, when we got the lighting put in on the highway, we had to work with CALR. We had to work with uh PG& and is that is that Lars? Is that what county?

Yes. Oh, anyway, something you need to consider is if you're putting the power in the power in you got to have bring power to them for the charging stations and if they're along the highway, then obviously it's an easier drop, but then you're going to be having all sorts of things. It's just stuff to think about. Everybody lot already has a that lot has a power pull on it already. So, hopefully we can just use that. Yeah. Or go underground for it. But that's a that's a that's not that's not up for us right now. We just got to get past the We put the EV stations right by the power pole. Did you Did you all those gadgets that you have the PE stuff? Did you guys already decide on that? No.

That's just like a like what if sort of thing? Well, we're looking at all the parks in uh Clear Lake, Lakeport, Chelsea. You mean the equipment that people barely use? Well, you know, we don't know that. Well, you don't see people there very much. Well, it's was a homeless park, so we're we're trying to Yeah. I mean, I'm just going to say this because I have the mic. It's like, you know those walls where you can play paddle ball with yourself? Those are kind of nice instead of all these things where everybody's touching it and you don't know who touched it and Yeah. Well, space space is also a concern. It's not a huge lot.

Sure. What's this? Um,

I I was interested in the flipping idea and also um Oh, Laurel Hogan, I was interested in I like that we have the parking and I like that it also serves the businesses, but do we kind of want to get people off the main street a bit further so that when you're merging back into traffic, it looks like if you were going to back already the corner with the liquor store is a little bit problematic if you know people are trying to cross the street to the post office. So I thought when you were going to do the parking you would naturally put it more closer to where the church is. So, you drive off the main street and you're safer getting into your car and merging to re-enter the heavy highway at one of them at choice because we know at different times day we'll choose a different one. It's not that far to go another block or two. Does anybody get what I'm saying about the traffic?

We're we're not there's actually traffic people who actually plan those things out. We don't propose to know everything there is about parking. We just we got to put the we got to put the product out there.

Yeah. But just we didn't have much discussion. I like your idea kind of like about flipping it and I saw the entrance. So before we send this maybe we should because just like we had lots of community members come in and talk about pedestrian safety and you know and traffic. Let's let's be sure. I love how clean and beautiful it is and how much you're doing, but the safety is a concern. And also, Lisa does have a point about

people really don't use that stuff. You know, they're very exposed when you're out there doing your exercise. I was hoping we would get a basketball court. I still wanted a basketball court. It takes up a lot of space and that brings it does encourage kids unfortunately. courts at the school. Yeah, but the school doesn't let adults go there. Okay. But I don't have to bring that up. I just said my opinion. The answer to the basketball court thing, uh, Supervisor Moch tried that and it got it didn't get approved. So that's why it's back on the table again. Okay. And as far as where the parking is, it was basically they just chose the easiest place because there's already a power pole and we want EV parking. So that's why it's on that side.

That took a priority over that. That's pretty much how it is. And if they have a bench underneath a tree and they can sit underneath a tree and watch their car get charged for a half an hour instead of spend money in town, they should have that right also. Yeah. And I don't think it's specifically the design we are voting on next Sunday or next meeting. It has more to do with the concept that it's going to be an adult parking and uh the concept because there'll be committees that are the parking committee and the yes that we could have a committee that that's that is speaks for the the community. Uh it's this is going to be a very long process. This is more basically giving these committees the authority to that's the vision and the goal. Okay, here's the

it's just a concept kind. Let's see what Sutter will go for. I'll have more information for you. And if Sutter likes this and they pay for it, we'll ask for something for the youth somewhere here in this park. That's what I want to emphasize. Sutter is going to pay for the equipment, the parking lot, the lights, the electricity, everything. We don't get a lot of things handed to us in this town. So, and we can't afford to buy it. It's the same one I sent you. Shall we push forward with a We got one more hand up over here. Oh, yes.

Can somebody give a Thank you. Well, I didn't realize that it was such a done deal or closer to being a done deal. So, I had asked my son who suggested a multi-use sports complex, which to be honest, as a senior, I'm not interested in going exercising in front of town, you know, but uh it's that's just me. But I think a multiuse sports complex. I don't know if that could work with the parking. I thought the parking was going to be somewhere else. But that's what I thought.

You know, Sutter Sutter Health is not going to give us a billion dollars. Okay. There there's going to be a budget. The size is limited. The size is limited. Very small. Parking will be required on the site. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Shall we shall we take a uh Mr. Hands up? Just do a Mr. Chairman. Yes, sir. I'm waiting to be recognized so I can talk. Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah. Fletcher, would you like to say something?

That there's something no one's even talking about. And Hank will tell you this. Anytime you get within one block of a Calran highway, they're going to tell you where and when you can merge onto that highway. So, you don't need to worry about it at this point. You're not going to have a say on how that's going to go anyway. They're going to tell you what you need to do to get permission from them to even put a park there. And that that's the next question. They may not even cow plans may not want to park there because they're definitely afraid of traffic backing up and causing a delay on 29. I know I live through it every week. So, so don't don't get the horse too far in front of the cart. Let Hank do his work with Sutter, find out what they'll accept and what they'll help us with and then we can back down from there.

Sure. Yeah. We don't need to vote on it. I think we just need to let Hank do his job. Yeah. It's just a vision. Yeah. It's a vision. Would you like to test the room to see? Yeah. No, we we did we did a survey last month. We don't need to do it again. All right. Yeah. Thanks, Hank. We'll we'll put you on the agenda every month. You have a job now. All right. Okay. Uh here's the other here's the other elephant in the room. U Trailside Park Dog Committee. Okay. We uh we touched on it last month and uh would like to go a little further and I'm just going to give this one to Elizabeth and let you run with it. Go ahead, Elizabeth. Do it.

Sure. Sure. Um, it's been kind of discussed briefly and tried to get people's feedback and it seems to be a positive re response to wanting to take a portion of the trailside park out on Highway 175 in Dry Creek. Uh, it's a county-owned property and um, Fletcher has graciously got some big ideas and a vision and we wanted to uh, just kind of work with it. Maybe I'd like to uh make a motion to uh start a committee together that could be uh meeting fairly frequently or something for a few months. Um it may take quite a bit of time to do this but um the idea of the concept and uh let you know let the committee start rolling with the idea.

So okay do we need to have any show of hands or just make a motion? Who wants to join the committee is what we need to do. Yeah. It's a dog park. A dog park. A dog park. Yeah. You're the one who suggested it. Yeah. A dog park. All right. Do we have a second? I second that. I second. Do Do we want to take a Who wants to be on a committee for dog park? I definitely do. Okay. We got Nanetta, we got Fletcher, we got Elizabeth. I'll be on the committee also. I would love that one. Anybody else? Okay. I don't want to be on the committee, but I just reached out to me when you guys and I think that it's because

Fletcher reached out to me uh when he started thinking about this again and I think that it's good just to keep me in the loop just because I have might have feedback because I run the art part of the park. That's all. Is there an art part of the park instead? Really? Well, you're gonna have to you're gonna have to educate me, Lisa. Okay. I don't know. Yeah. You know, I don't know until you tell me, Lisa. But I think I mean I think I think it's just about identifying the place and you know, we sort of talked about that. So, just keep me in the loop a little and that's what the committee would do is they get Yeah. You know, do some homework. There is still a motion on the floor to start the committee. Um, everybody in favor? Yes. Anybody opposed? All right, passed.

Good. Very good. All right, I think we got it all and we're only about 10 minutes late. No, almost on time. Did we do all the motions necessary for Park? Sutter Park is going to continue to be uh worked on and Hank is gonna he's going to give us an update every month. Okay. So Hank's Hank's in charge. It's his problem. See what Setter's feedback is. I would like to see it on the agenda as an action item. Action item.

Okay. All right. If you need help with that, let me know, brother. Mr. Chairman,

okay. I think this body ought to formally give Hank the authority to speak for math at Sutter Hospital. Otherwise, they can say, "Well, who are you and what are you doing here?" So, I make a motion for Hank to speak for us at Sutter. Second. Okay. All those in favor? All in favor? I pass. All right.

All right. If you're interested in this item, it is it is on the math the math-aggenda.com website. Okay? Anything Hank gives me, I put it in there. If you like the dog park stuff, it's it's on the web it's on it's on the web page. Okay? It was only created because people were not getting their agendas. Okay? We were not sending the agendas out to everybody. They weren't getting them. We had a lot of complaints. So, as a backup, go look for the agenda there. if you don't get it in your email. Okay, that's the only reason I did all that. Okay, is to make sure that everybody has a chance to be here. Okay, second. Amen.

Thank you everybody. I'll try to do better next time. I don't know. I think I talked