Planning Board - Regular Meeting

Good evening. Welcome to the Town and Central Planning Board meeting for July 1st. Would you please join us in the Pledge of Allegiance? Mary, would you lead us up, please?

Thank you.

As I've done in the past with the first agenda item, I'm going to recuse myself as the applicant is my nephew. Jim Duvall, our deputy chair, is on vacation today. So Mary has graciously agreed to serve as temporary deputy chair and will preside over the meeting for the first agenda item.

So we'll hold a minute.

Yes. First, I'll make a motion to approve the minutes from June 17th. Do we have a second? I'll second the motion. Do we have a second? Chuck? Yes. Mary? Yes. Zach? Yes. And I vote yes. Minutes have been approved. And then we'll open the meeting to public comment. If there's anybody here that would like to address the board on any active application, you can do so now. Given nobody's approach, I'll close the public input, and we will move on to the first agenda item. Mary, it's all yours.

Thank you. The first agenda item is a minor site plan review. Joe Marzullo, you want to come up?

Good evening.

Good evening.

Steve Calceranos here, Calceranos Engineering, representing the Epcot, Joe Marzullo, standing next to me, and he's got some architectural samples for the board tonight. I can go over the changes we made to the plans real quickly. Based on the comments from the last meeting, we did add a drop-off area right up here in the front. As indicated in our response to comments letter, we didn't want to move it any closer to the road. One, because there's a light right across from it, so it provides plenty of illumination. And two, we don't really want to encourage people to just stop on the shoulder to pick up their kid or whatever that's there. We moved it back there. The architectural drawings, the site plan has been updated to be consistent. There is a canopy that's now shown over here. And because the sidewalk is flush with the pavement, we did add a couple bollards at the end of those parking spots just to prevent anybody from driving into the doorway. Smart. Beyond that, I think the board was satisfied with the landscaping at the last meeting. And the architectural plans were updated to show two additional windows up at the top of the front face to provide some additional transparency on that front face of the building. We did keep everything else as it was. We didn't change any of the lighting for security reasons on the north and south end. The owner wants to keep them on the back. We feel there's going to be sufficient lighting over the overhead door and the man door in the back. And that's, I believe, all the changes that were made on the site plan. Again, the rest is some samples for the board to take a look at on the exterior finishes of the building, and that's about it.

And I read you confirm there's no mechanical equipment on the outside.

Not that I'm aware of. And I did reach out to the architect. And if there is going to be something, there might be a furnace vent or something like that, some small stuff, but not any of those big pieces of equipment that stick out. And this building, I think, is in excess of 400 feet from the road. So really, I don't think anybody would even notice anything back there. But

and great idea to add the pickup drop-off area in our where we live come fall it gets dark pretty early and you don't want kids waiting where it's not safe so good idea okay you brought samples for us

at the middle, obviously, that we're going to use. Blue was the roof. Siding was the gray.

The roof is blue? That's the roof? Okay.

Yeah. And then as far as the panel board, it was between veneer and this composite, which is going to probably go this route.

Yeah. That looks nice.

stuff stuff out there it's pretty decent stuff so thank you for bringing that in yeah absolutely and outside of the uh stone um look finish um the colors do match the existing um building pole barn that's already up on site so you can go by and look at that and see what it's going to resemble and was there going to be any signs We did show up here a sign, a pole-mounted sign, two 4x4 posts with a sign panel in between. I think we indicated on note that a sign permit needs to be applied for to finalize that there are size requirements. Okay. We have on the detail lighting and landscaping optional. I know that was a comment before. Board might want to consider whether or not that's allowed. I don't think the owner has a preference one way or another. If the board didn't want lighting, I think that would be fine. But if they didn't object to it, he'd provide that detail with the sign permit itself.

But you're saying, Mark, on the sign have some lighting so you can see it. Yeah.

The way they're showing the width. is to, is with, you know, ground-mounted floodlights and those kind of cause glare and, you know, they, I'm not a fan of them. So if I were to make a recommendation, I would recommend against having those. If I were to be landscaping around where the sign goes, it's up to the board if you'd like to see something like that. so you are you don't approve of landscaping lighting like flashing on them okay but the lighting the type of lighting it's not an internally lit sign you're trying to do with exterior lighting with floodlights shining up on and if you drive by those you go to kind of shine out into the street okay

all right then um then you're are you done with your presentation yes all right so we will open it up to any questions chuck sure thank you um as far as that lighting and mark was just talking about this flood lights that you're proposing are the underground or and on it to the tablet of science

I think the detail as it's shown shows them ground-mounted pointing up. If it were the board's preference that that not be allowed, I'd maybe ask that it be maybe a condition of the approval that no ground-mounted lighting of the sign will be allowed. There's certainly the option to

sorry fix them at the top so that they point in and down to the sign and that probably prevents you know that glare from people driving up and down the street i think that might be a maybe a better choice for you know light spillage compared to the others um the main entrance is that in the bottom right zero is that

To the building, yes, it's right here in this corner. There is an additional door that was added down on this end. It was a comment from, I think, two meetings ago, and that is reflected on the architectural drawings.

Okay, great. Thank you. And I have some questions on the usage. Is this going to be used for different sports or just one particular sport?

Yeah, different sports. Girls flag, I would like to get going a little bit in the area. CNS lacrosse as well, our CNS boys football team. So there's a few sports that will be between 18, 15, 25 kiddos each time.

Is this big enough to have two teams working out at the same time? I don't know what to say.

Yeah, just keep it small. Okay.

And this will be a specialty to CNS or all sport teams?

Yeah, I currently coach two varsity sports, varsity boys football and varsity girls flag. Okay. It's all in November, so I'm hoping to have a place to go.

Would it be available for other school districts or just CNS mainly?

Um,

I'm sure CNS would have preferential treatment.

Being a CNS guy.

First choice, though.

Yeah, yeah. Okay, thank you. Make sure it's filled up.

Okay, so thank you for this because I know it is difficult to find spaces for training and conditioning, practicing. I have two boys and experienced that as well. So I know this is a needed opportunity.

uh value for our community I just can't help but wonder um um what about insurance for you so I've already reached reached out to Joel uh Brower he's actually looking into policies uh you know obviously pending approval and we've we've already discussed a few different plans and I got the ball moving on that.

I know it has nothing to do with your site plan, but as a mom, that's something that I just want to make sure is covered since it is our young people that will be using your facility. I see that you addressed a lot of the questions that were brought up at a past meeting that I asked for, so I don't have any other questions. Thank you.

Thank you for the updates and the adjustments. I appreciate it. And I'm all set. Thank you. Thank you.

Steve?

All set. Thank you.

Neil? All set.

Mark? All set. I guess Neil would be very fair on the lighting.

Yes. My take on the lighting by listening to you is that the lighting can be internally lit but shall not be externally lit via ground-mounted lighting.

I think so. Does everyone agree? Sure. Okay, that would suffice. Okay, the next steps. Are we ready to do the standard seeker?

Move the standard seeker resolution.

Okay, so I have to make a motion for a standard seeker?

Okay. I'll second the motion.

Okay. Chuck? Yes. I say yes. Yes. And now we make a motion to, is that a motion to approve?

We're going to move the adaptional resolution to approve the application on a 9160 version of the proposed 140 by a good one 40 by a very ambitious condition on the following one question. But should not be. Does someone want to make a motion.

I'll make that a motion.

Second.

Second.

Chuck?

Yes.

Mary? Yes. Zach? Yes. And the motion is approved.

Thank you very much.

You're welcome. Thank you. Hey, that one's a bit good. And I'll turn it back over to Mark.

Please.

Thank you.

Okay, next item on the agenda is for proposed building expansion at Schneider Packaging and Equipment. Property address 5370 Guy Young Road. Good evening. Welcome back.

Good evening, everyone. um yeah so since our my name is nathan keplinger freeman associates uh since our last meeting there haven't been too many changes to the plan um i'm gonna walk you through those but just so you're aware after that meeting the following day we met with the adjacent neighbors uh myself schneider packaging and those neighbors and we walked the site and we made some changes yeah we added some screening plantings so i'll show you those appreciate that very much yeah um no problem and then um Mark Parrish also provided a couple comment letters and we've addressed all his comments and I believe um we're up to date there and he has nothing further for uh our firm at this time okay let me get my laser pointer so the first change um We added a privacy fence, a wood board on board flat fence here. It runs the length of the property goes down and over. We're removing a fence on the site prep plan. So we wanted to replace that and add a little bit more fencing. We're also adding some trees here. And then we added evergreen trees here. trees here. So we have 30 new trees going in. And these locations were approved by the adjacent neighbors. Really the people that we met with all lived here. So we were really trying to accommodate them. The second thing we did, uh, the third, we put together a lighting plan. Um, and originally we were thinking of lighting kind of all sides of this building, but then we were talking to the neighbors and we're talking to Schneider. So our, our lighting plan really only encompasses this, this side of the building. So really minimal impact. It's all wall packs. Um, so there really won't be much of a disturbance, um, greater than what there is now. Um,

i don't think there's really too much site-wise unless you have any questions i can hand it over to jeff taw he's going to kind of talk through the architectural evening jeff taw from holmes king colicost architects um the uh of course we're talking about a fairly simple addition to the existing uh facility the uh uh pre-engineered metal building and uh we're our plan is to uh match the existing uh colors on the uh metal, which I have samples here. I don't know if they have PDFs of this, but they are.

What do you got here?

Elevation.

Be helpful.

I didn't bring enough for everybody. It's a fairly straightforward, simple structure. If you could kind of zoom in on that. Okay, thank you. Great, no idea.

There we go.

So we responded to some of the comments from previous presentation. We have created a niche between the existing building and the new building. It's a two foot by two foot recess in the facade to kind of break the elevation down a little bit. The existing building has a split face block base And we are proposing to use a light colored metal skin to match the other portion of the building. And the color is complimentary to the split face block. Um, the comments, uh, regarding the fenestration, we, uh, have kept the fenestration in, uh, in line with what exists at this point. Uh, it's an industrial building and, and we felt that the, uh, the percentage, uh, requested was, was, uh, probably not appropriate for this application. And we hope you agree with that. Other than that, it's a, it's a fairly simple and straightforward project.

Thank you. We'll open the questions.

We have color samples.

Why don't you hold them up for us?

Sorry, got my knee replaced. I'm balancing a cane, too. So the tan color to match the split-faced black and the green, which matches the original building. So again, fairly simple presentation.

thank you chuck any questions um it's a huge building of course but i'm talking about breaking up the size of it a bit where you've done where the two buildings meet with a two-foot indentation personally and i'm only one i would like to see one more on each side of the center It certainly helped to break it up into just a long building.

We've got one here, and this is our addition here. We're kind of losing the end of it for the graphics.

Would it be a big deal to do it in the existing building, too?

That would be quite a challenge. It would be cutting through the exterior wall and masonry in order to accomplish that. We felt it was best accomplished by defining the break between the new and the existing building. And it falls within the linear footage parameters that were suggested.

Okay. Well, this being where it is, it's not really seeable from the road to speak of. Correct. And so it's pretty isolated, basically.

It is that.

So we're not looking to make a pretty building so much.

Well, we try to do the best we can on these projects. I think it's going to be a nice looking building. It's going to be a good addition.

Thank you. Thank you, Chuck. Merrick?

So I just want to say thank you for getting the neighbors' input and working with them, getting their feedback. It definitely will help. Their input is important. I appreciate that.

Yeah, and Schneider was very cooperative, and they have an open line with the neighbors now. So I think if anything does come up.

That's great. I had a question about the fencing material. Like what kind of fencing?

Yeah, we're just proposing like a cedar wood fence. And, you know, I think we don't, Schneider didn't want to go with anything like PVC just because it kind of pops out and really stands out. So I think the fence we took down there was wood. So we're putting a new wood fence in.

It's a solid type fence.

What was that?

Solid or?

Yeah, it's board on board privacy. So it'll be a solid fence. Yep. So you can't. Yes, there is a detail on drawing L4. So right at the bottom left-hand corner here. Um, six foot height privacy fence, and it's a little hard to see, but there's, there's a double board. It's not, it's not like a picket fence. There's a board on the other side. So you have alternating boards on either sides of the supports, right. As you can see in that plan B right there. So you have a board, a board, a board, a board.

So it looks good on both sides.

Yep, exactly. Yeah. There's no finished side and unfinished side. It'll be the same on both.

Okay, I think that's all I had.

Thank you, Zach.

I'm all set. Thank you.

One of Mark Parrish's comments talked about the topsoil to remove it from the site. And you added a note that it would be removed or maintained. And I just wanted some clarification on that.

Um, We have a note that says excess topsoil shall be removed from the site and not remain in an onsite stockpile. Can I read? If you go to L1.1, Mark, I can show you that note. If they were going to reuse any topsoil on site and spread it across the lawn area, it would just be seeded. They're not going to leave it. But we put the note as requested from Mark right there. there could be a note hanging out in one of our tech schedules i apologize i just don't recall oh it says sub-based material to remain oh yes that's just yep so we're the stone um this existing parking lot down here we're gonna be trucking in to install this additional asphalt. This is all existing. So what we're doing is we're gonna rip up that asphalt, but leave all of the sub-base intact and just put a new asphalt layer at the end so it all looks finished. So we're not disturbing anything. We're just leaving that stone underneath the asphalt as is. So that was the note. Thank you. Yep, Steve.

All set, thank you.

Yep, all set. Mark.

All set, thanks.

So I will make a motion for our standard seeker. Do we have a second?

I'll second.

Chuck? Yes.

Mary? Yes. Zach?

Yes. And I vote yes for the Seeker. Neil, would you propose a motion for approval, please?

Yes. We're going to move for the adoption of a resolution to approve an application on the Snyder Packaging Equipment Company, Inc., 5370 Guy Young Road. The proposed building expansion is approved as a speaker condition on the following one. The cost gains, rent rates, and or elevations presented by the applicant to the planning board in regards to this application shall be incorporated by the reference. Thank you.

And would somebody like to make that a motion? I'll make it a motion. And do we have a second? I'll second. Chuck? Yes. Mary? Yes. Zach? Yes. And I vote yes. You're all set. Good luck with the addition. Next item is for a proposed baked goods store, Holland Farms at 5866 State Route 31.

Welcome back. Hello, members of the board. Christian Freeman from Keplinger Freeman Associates. Let's get this set here. So if you recall, we had a few items to get to, and then sort of the last domino to fall maybe would be the architecture review comment came in, and we incorporated those, which we have on fresh drawing set. We submitted it as well, but just wanted to get hands on these for everybody.

Yeah. Good. Yeah.

Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you.

So going through the checklist in no particular order, one of the first items we should address was the sign sizes. The sign sizes are now just shy of the max per code. So we adhere to that. No variance is requested. We're not oversized. So the signs are sized appropriately. That was an item. Another item was notation about the other light fixture, which I was unaware of, but that light fixture was not, it was not compliant. It was more of a residential structure, light structure, light fixture. So the glow on it wasn't dark sky compliant. We're replacing that. So all four light fixtures will match. They will be per the photometric plan, per the approved photometric plan, and they will be Obviously, dark sky compliant. The floodlight is no more. The next comment was about the planting. We already hit that. Ryan reached out to Holland, coordinated with them, confirmed their dumpster size, confirmed that we can use a similar size dumpster enclosure. But we are going to knock down that wood dumpster enclosure. We saw it in the pictures. It wasn't pretty. So Ryan's going to... update that, put a vinyl one in, and then I guess let's get to the building. So now we have a painted top cap and then we have our light fixtures. And as you work your way down, we got the signs and we have black metal awnings. And then we have sort of that bottom band, which has kind of like a chair rail trim on the top. And the comment that was outstanding by the architecture review requested that we use a corner piece. So instead of just slapping this thing right on the front, it's going to wrap. Even on the sides, we don't continue. It will slightly wrap, which visually I think will do a lot. Because if you look at it, you'll see it sort of bump out from the building that inch or two. You'll get that shadow line. So that was the outstanding comment. We noted that on there. They call it a... a corner i don't know corner corner something all pro corner pan all pro corner she can read better than i can um other than that ryan got anything to say am i missing anything nope excellent i think it looks good open with questions chuck i appreciate your going with our comments and uh

Is that the same piece that the previous fellow came in with? Yes. It's too funny. Yeah. It looks like it can be installed relatively simply.

I think I picked a better color.

It looks good.

Mary. I also want to say thank you for listening to our requests and answering, making changes to accommodate I think it looks good. Were you going to do any planner boxes or anything.

We're doing a pretty substantial... Yeah.

I think we threw that out once we did the significant buffering. I mean, we just got a goal from a landscaper in the eight plus thousands. So we're going to see who we can get to install that. But I don't want to open these guys up to any more. And I think what they're doing is it's going to be good for the area. You get a little buffer in between some greenery. The trees are going to do a lot, I think, as well in that area. There's a lot of...

there's a lot of big open um pavement areas so it'll feel it'll feel good to have some trees in there I think I agree thank you check I also appreciate the modifications thank you I'm all set excellent same with me Steve all set thank you yeah thanks to you Mark I will move for our standard sticker do we have a second I'll second the motion Chuck? Yes. Mary?

Yes. Zach?

Yes. I vote yes for the Seeker. Neil, would you propose a motion for approval, please?

Yes. We're going to move for the adaption of the resolution approving the application known as Next Choice Property Holdings, LLC, 5866, 231, for the Faithwood Store, Allen Farms. This is for the position on the following. One, the person who is granted gender elevations presented by the applicant to the planning board in regard to this application shall be incorporated by reference into the second board approval thereof.

And would somebody like to make that motion?

I'll make that motion.

Second. Chuck? Yes. Mary?

Yes. Zach?

Yes. And I vote yes. Thank you. How long before we can buy some of those headlights?

I know, half moons, right? Half moons on Ryan.

Yeah, we look forward to it. Thank you. Next agenda item is for a proposed restaurant at 7991 State Route 31. Hi, how are you?

Good. I'm Rob Senecal. I'm the owner of the property.

Can you give a presentation?

My voice is a little gone right now. I'm sorry.

That's not fun. No.

What did you ask me?

Can you give a presentation of what you're looking to do? Sure.

So this restaurant is right before the Bridgeport Circle, and it's the old Bridgeport Diner. So essentially, we're keeping the same footprint. So the only thing that's going to change is the entrance, as far as giving you a little bit more coverage there. The building currently has a porch that was on the left side of it. So we just followed that line and replacing that with a patio with blocked columns, lighting, and paving the whole parking lot. Steve was over and saw the site and wanted some green space put in, so... this is actually probably the biggest improvement to the place is having um what now is the turnaround spot you know so it's it currently goes from just being a road to a wide open parking lot so actually made that actually made a lot of sense so that top image is most realistic yes yeah because some of the images change the parking i know it's just uh Yeah, I had Zussman and Frisch did it, and I think initially they didn't have the green space in there, so they're using that on the bottom, but that top one is accurate.

Is that everything? That's it.

Looking at questions, Chuck? On the left side, you're going to do the ice cream facility?

Yeah, that was part of their business, the stand. So that's actually a bar area now. So when you go in, you're using that space for a pretty good-sized bar.

And I haven't been out there recently, but I remember out front on the Bridgeport side, that sign they had was still up.

It is. it still up it is yeah replacing that with your own sign or just no i'm not uh i'm not operating the restaurant i'm just you know someone in the building but i believe that they plan on keeping the same sign which is an internally lit okay just rework it so it is yeah they got to freshen it up there's a flower box on the bottom so it's part of what they'll do okay and i know i remember from driving it by there was a ditch

from the road basically to the near the entrance for a new service or whatever that was.

Well, it had the electrical service.

Had to redo it?

Yeah, put it underground. It's new.

Okay. It was open for some time.

Yeah. So they got that finished a little while back. That's closed now.

Okay. Look forward to hearing more about it. Mary?

So is that 39 parking spaces?

I think they got us slated for 37 and then two handicap spots. Now, it will be much larger than that because that only takes half of the parking lot behind the building. They're unpaving all the way to the end. So there'll probably be 20 additional parking spots from what you see here.

And how many seatings will there be for the restaurants?

don't know yeah i don't i know that it's i believe they had accounted for it based on either square footage or whatnot okay and i like the changes to the outside so you're saying that you do i do thank you yeah i think that looks nice So we just did the New Mexican restaurant on South Bay Road.

I've been there.

So that's essentially, it's similar, just a smaller version of that. So like the stone and, you know, like diamond coat siding, which is nice higher end composite. So it's done with nice material. Good for that one.

You did a great job.

Yeah.

Thanks.

That looks nice.

Thank you.

I'll be interested in seeing more, too. So you'll be providing the materials for the changes?

I didn't.

So the building doesn't look like this right now, right?

No.

Okay.

No.

So... It's getting worked up. Yeah. Not even close, but it's all stone, and a diamond coat's going to be... um you have vinyl siding obviously okay then you have a composite which looks essentially it feels like wood so but it doesn't rot like it does like the wood so it's it's about as good as you can get really okay thank you jack uh yeah renderings look great um i'm all set for tonight thank you um this will be a nice change i like mexican food so

there's a number of notes on the plans that say to be determined by others that that's going to have to be corrected and indicated on the plans when you come back with the plants there's a there's a few spots that says to be determined or by owner that kind of thing okay we can address that in did you see our architectural standards You did. Steve, you saw a lot of material.

Your office crew, I sent them to it with the analytical stuff. And I think I copied the fellow's name from the algorithm. Yeah, Adam. Adam Scarab, yeah.

So one of the requirements is crown molding. And I came up with this just kind of as an idea or a thought. I think it looks nice, but we do now require crown molding. And I was wondering how it would look so I had a I generate this guys require them. Along with the stone base, so you got that one I don't know if you want this. architectural engineer will do a review and. i'm sure that will be on there. landscaping and night in the front looks awesome. i think you maybe want to put a few trees in there yeah no you got visibility issues visibility so they can be small decorative kind of trees right okay and can you put trees on the where is it on the east side looks like there's a grass area These are requirement to that's why I'm doing this stuff. Now you're going to hear this on the architectural review.

Gotcha. Okay, just just to point that out. So the only Yeah, on the east side, forgive me, stupid in terms of the compass, but we're talking we're talking the O'Reilly's auto parts, right? Yes, between the two. So there's grass there. Yeah, so that can happen. Yeah.

And I don't know if it's a good idea or not. But the patio that you're putting in, that'll be seated for seating.

Yes.

In this area here that's striped, is that pavement?

That is pavement, yeah.

Would it be okay to make that grass? I just think it might be a nicer appearance for the people sitting there. But I know you got snow removal issues. I'll just throw that out there. If you can do that, terrific.

Yeah, okay.

And I'm not... And so you already asked about seating. We're going to want to know how many people can sit in there. So we want to be able to verify that we have enough parking. I know there's room for more. So we're going to want to know employees, number of employees, number of patrons.

Yeah, they had that here. There is?

There is? You showed 14 employees that saw that.

I looked for it.

I didn't see it.

yeah i had something that showed that okay i was just looking at it it showed 14 employees into that i'll be putting together a comment list up so i'll incorporate that yep that's all i have for now steve i'm all set thank you yeah all set like i said we'll do a review of the plans Provide comments so that I can review.

Perfect. So we're all set unless you have anything additional? Good. OK. So where do I go from here?

You'll get the comments. And then you'll be able to do it with us. And then have it clear on a future check.

Mark, there's a parking lot that needs to be broken up. We'll look at what you're doing.

Technically, yeah, but he's adding all that green space. That concludes our agenda items. Is there any discussion from the team? I have one point. I want to make sure this gets in the minutes. Tony, thank you for filling in. I very much appreciate it. I want it in the minutes. Do we have a motion to adjourn?

Motion to adjourn.

Do we have a second? Second.