Planning Board - Regular Meeting

Good evening. Welcome to the town of Cicero Planning Board meeting. Would you please join us in the Pledge of Allegiance? Jim, could you lead us out, please? Thank you. First order of business is the approval of the May 6th minutes. Any questions or comments? Do we have a motion to approve?

Motion to approve.

And do we have a second?

Second.

Jim? Yes.

Chuck? Well, I'm seeing I wasn't here last week. Mary? Yes. Zach?

Yes. And I vote yes, minutes have been approved. Now we'll open the meeting to public comment. If there's anybody in the audience that would like to address the board on any act of application, you can do so now. Any of the applications, so including today. Absolutely, please. You just give your name for the record.

Sure. My name is Gordon Perkins. And I'm here on behalf of the residents of Chestnut Street in Burriton. I myself am not a resident. But I had sent a letter to the planning board some time ago. I'm not entirely sure when the zone change regarding the zone change. Yeah. And so, as I mentioned, I mean, I think Schneider's packaging has been a neighbor of the residents of Chestnut Street for some time. And there is a little bit of concern regarding the expansion of the building. um and after reviewing the site plans I've noticed you know they're they've left a pretty good vegetative buffer along the south side of the building um but there's still concern from some of the neighbors I think a regarding the state the planted vegetative buffer on the south side of the building that abuts their property and then there were also some concerns about idling vehicles in the parking lot of that building and so i just wanted to make sure that you know as you go through the site plan review that those neighbors are taken into consideration i think um you know based on an industrial use that is abutting John Potter, A residential use directly, it makes a lot of sense to pay some particular attention to any sort of mitigation that can be put in there, and then the last thing was excuse me. John Potter, i'm currently on the site plans. John Potter, I can't see any indication. John Potter, um. And I'm assuming this is early stage, but there's no indication of what types of lighting is going to be proposed on the building and what types of fixtures. And I would assume that would be of interest. It'll be between weekend. Yeah. Yeah.

We have guidelines that they have to meet relative to that.

Say that again.

We have guidelines that they have to meet relative to lighting.

Right. Right. And so I'm, I'm assuming that would appear in future site plans. Um, And then, yeah, I think, you know, just an understanding of the new building elevation, the materials that are going to be used and things like that, just so that these neighbors can understand exactly what's going to be abutting their properties in the future.

Can you repeat the vegetation where you thought there might be a concern?

Yeah, so it's labeled Cedar Row on the south side of the building. And there looks like some grading that's going to occur on that side. Yeah, it does say on that cedar row that the existing vegetation is to remain. And then just beneath that, or south of that, you can see there there are there's a notation for four inch spruces and 10 inch maples in there and essentially that entire spruce buffer is in pretty bad health and so those those trees are dying and so that portion that's on the John Potter, neighboring properties, because that starting to fail really the only vegetative mitigation those neighbors will have is whatever Schneider packaging proposes to put in back there okay. John Potter, I think that's it. John Potter, Thank you, thank you for your time. appreciate your time.

And is there anybody else that would like to address any active application. Given nobody else is approaching, we'll close the public input and move on to the first agenda item. And this is for the Schneider Packaging Equipment at the property of 5370 Guy Young Road. The applicant's here.

good evening good evening how are you mike smith with schneider packaging so just wanted to kind of give an intro and then uh the designer will talk about the plans themselves so um you know schneider has been a neighbor for over 50 years in the area we are trying to grow the business it's been going well um some of the equipment that we had manufactured in canada We would ship into Brewerton. We now are manufacturing that in our plant. So it's actually expanded that manufacturing we're doing. It's similar to what we're doing. It's a piece that we would do with our systems anyways. We do a lot of automation equipment is what we do. You know, we'd like to continue doing it in Brewerton. We do need more space. We are cognizant of the neighbors as well. Thought we were good neighbors. We want to continue to be good neighbors. One of the things that does allow us to do is, you know, right now with the Business, we're having to put containers and trucks for storage on a lot. That would eliminate that. So, you know, we don't like the look of it. Neighbors probably don't like the look of it. But running out of space, we're kind of using them as, you know, temporary storage as we need it.

I saw them today.

Yeah.

Yeah. So, you know, we want to be able to eliminate that so that we have the warehouse storage that we need and the production storage we need. When we do refrigerated materials, we have to put a... electric refrigeration truck backed in. We would be able to do that inside with expanded space. Obviously, we'd follow the lighting rules. The trucks idling, you know, we appreciate the neighbors bringing that to our attention. We do have a policy. We don't allow trucks to idle and spend the night. We have put new signs up as well because we did see that you know, some of the signs over the years either faded or were lost. So those signs have been put back up, and I'm hoping that they have not seen that happening in a recent time as well now that's been brought to our attention. So we want to continue, you know, being a good neighbor and mitigate those and continue being able to do business in the Brewerton area as we expand.

What's the verbiage on those signs?

Jeff, no idling.

No idling, yeah.

Yeah. And no, uh, we don't allow them to sleep in our parking lot. So I think a few times, maybe a truck came in late when we were closed and they decided to just spend the night there. Uh, but similar to other parking lots, we put those up, not allowing that. So, um, but happy to answer any other questions, happy if, uh, any of the board or neighbors want to come visit us and kind of get a better idea of what we're doing and get the input. So.

Any questions at this point? Or do you want to wait for the rest of the presentation? I'm good for right now.

Let's continue with the presentation. Go through the layout.

Please.

Good evening.

My name is Nathan LaPierre, Keplinger Freeman Associates, landscape architect. I put together the site drawings in front of you. If you want to start on drawing L1, I can just kind of walk through the plans really quick. Paul Haney, show you what we're looking at so the existing building is in the light tan there and then to the right is the outline of the proposed building it's the exact. Paul Haney, same size as the existing building 35,000 square feet it's a pre manufactured metal building same as the existing it's going to look the same as the existing building. Paul Haney, And the height is the same as well. that large area of trees you can see the removals we're talking about um and then mr perkins mentioned we have the buffer um see if this works this is the vegetative buffer right here Um, there's really no changes to the existing lot. We're just extending it. Could you please switch to the grading plan? So, the orange building is the expansion, um, as stated, there is some grading around the building. Um. And then this is the parking expansion right here. And this is our proposed proposed storm water area. Um, this accounts for all of the. Added impervious being the building and asphalt. um it outlets to the existing stormwater facility but there's no change to the stormwater facility at this time we were able to accommodate everything right here there was a comment about the photometric plan and we're finalizing that right now i'm just waiting for the cut sheets from the vendor but we have the actual plan completed adhering to all the light levels so we'll submit that what we have is a series of wall packs on the north east and south side of the proposed building Very similar to what's there existing, just the wall pack on the building. So there isn't any light spillage anywhere near the property line. In terms of screening, so I'm sorry, can you go back to the site prep plan, Mark? this red line right here that's an existing stockade fence and i think it's in pretty rough shape but we're removing it um and one thing that isn't shown on the plan but it will be is a new stockade fence in that location i'm just finalizing with the gentleman schneider on the exact limits of it but we want to put that back um just to add a little bit of a visual screening um Mike just, it just confirmed to me that those spruce, you know, some of these trees are in rough condition and that's because the deer are also eating those cedars. Um, so I think we can explore putting in some species where the deer leave, leave be maybe something like some Norway spruces or something like that. That's just the real hardy tree or some Serbian spruces, but we can show that in the next submission as well. Um, And other than that, I think I can answer any questions you have or talk about some materials or something like that.

Jim? You answered what I was going to ask about the buffer. So I'm good for now. Thank you.

Chuck? You mentioned the building is going to pretty much mimic the building that's there?

Yes.

Same coloring materials?

I say materials. I'm not entirely sure about the coloring. Our architect couldn't make it tonight. He had a anniversary dinner with his wife. So he's going to be at the next meeting. And we can, you know, if you guys want to see material samples, we can provide those as well. Okay.

Reaffirm the coloring.

Yep. i'm glad you're addressing the uh foliage and the boundaries there um are you expanding the workforce also um yeah they so they they're expanding um you know mike can probably talk this a little bit more but on our layout plan we have um we have 145 employees is the max that would be on site at one time In our parking count, we're at 200 right now, and we're adding 10 additional with this expansion. So we'll have 210 parking spaces with a maximum count of 145 employees. And I'm not sure where you're at right now with your employee count.

Okay. Okay.

what are your hours of uh being open we're six to six right now and again this will this will help us the other alternative we have is we'll go second shift if we need to we can't expand we have time in the second shift um and uh do you mind just give me you know

manufacturing 101 course on what you guys do? We are an automation company. We do a lot of robotics.

And we're mostly in the packaging industry. So food, beverage, pharmaceuticals. We don't make the products. We help those companies automate their process. So probably the easiest example I can give you is like Keurig Dr. Pepper, you know, the little K-cups that you put in to make coffee. We don't put the coffee in the cup, but we do everything after that. We form the cartons. We fill the cartons. We take the cartons and seal the cartons. We form the cases, we take the cartons, put them in the cases, we seal the cases, we put those cases on a pallet, and we put those pallets, we wrap them, and we send them to a warehouse. We do that all through automation.

Working with AI, I assume?

Some AI, a lot of it is high speed, so it's a lot of controls, a lot of robotics, a lot of servo motors. It's very high speed. It's typically in industries where you couldn't get enough people to do it. So an example of that is, you know, in the K-Cups, we package 1,500 a minute. You can imagine the workforce it would take to try to do that, and we do, you know, hundreds of those lines. So it helps to really help the economy be competitive. We only serve the United States, so we cover all of the U.S., And when we build the machine here, we do the whole thing. The company will come and test it. And once it's tested, we break it down and we ship it to that location and we rebuild it in their factories.

I'm just curious, what would an average... truck and traffic flow in your production be?

So, you know, we don't get a ton of traffic because it takes us about six to seven months to build a machine. So we have trucks coming in with parts, you know, the raw materials. And then at the end of a job, we may have anywhere from three to six trucks to take that machine out, right? So it depends on how big the machine is, but normally it's, you know, probably, what's the average, two to five trucks? Two to five trucks, and usually we can fill those trucks within two days to get the machine off the floor and out of the building. So we're not a heavy warehouse, so we don't have trucks in and out all day long. It's, you know, trucks here and there delivering the raw materials, and then at the end of the job, it's, you know, a couple days of trucks leaving the facility.

Great. Thank you very much.

You're welcome. I have a question. Just to clarify, so you make the equipment that packages things you don't package?

We make the equipment that packages things.

So you mentioned refrigeration trucks there and you're going to include that in your expansion. What would you need to refrigerate?

An example would be Chobani yogurt.

So the yogurt. Do you package it there?

No, the yogurt is in the package. We take that yogurt and we put it in the store ready cartons that would get shipped to the store. So in the Chobani factory, when they make the yogurt. They need to put those in cases to transport them. They need to put the cases on pallets. They need to wrap them and send them to a warehouse. We create the equipment after the yogurt's in the cup to do everything else after that.

So you package the package?

We package the package, yes. We do the bulk packaging for cases and cartons on most any goods you could think of.

You do the graphics too and the packaging materials?

We don't supply the packaging materials. No, we only supply the automation equipment. Thanks.

Interesting.

Yeah.

So then I probably have questions for you, but maybe you can answer with the expansion. There's not going to be a way like a a way to travel around the building like there's no that's not in the plan no no and we have design standards now which we probably didn't with the existing building that would have to be um you'd have to comply with okay that would have to be able to go around the building or no um no i'm just thinking of fire trucks yeah so the building code

limits the size and area of the building based on its occupancy in this type of construction you get increases for frontage you get increases for fire sprinklers this building is going to have to be fire sprinkler so i i don't believe it'll be a need okay as long as they're if they're getting an increase for frontage they need a minimum of 20 feet that could be a lawn for a fireman to get around or something like that but did you not not require to have a road necessarily around the building yeah we would have access two sides of the building would have complete okay yes they have access but

driving in a physical fire truck around the building is extremely challenging due to the grade change. There's like 20 feet of grade change. So it's kind of a unique building because on this side of the building existing if you go inside there's a structural concrete wall that all the grade is built up against so it's probably over your head right at some points so this building is going to be constructed the same way there's going to be a structural wall of concrete that way we can fill against the building because just the export alone on that would be astronomical to try to get all that soil out level to site just wouldn't work with the surrounding parcels either okay that's all i have right now

Mark, is there any way we can do like a street view from the street? Kind of try to peek through the house. You can do it. See what they can see now. You can partially get into the site on street view.

I'm not sure if you can see from the surrounding streets.

Maybe the front suite. A guy young, you might be able to see up the driveway.

Yeah, I think that somebody actually went up your driveway a little bit in the street. Okay. Yeah, right to there.

All right.

yeah so again that that container there that's an example of what we would be able to get rid of um with the space because right now we're using uh some containers for extra storage as we need it so we bring them in and out and that was the stockade fence i was referencing earlier right yeah that we're going to be replaced

Or can you go on the street to the east of the building? It's probably going to be the residential street. Chestnut or? Yeah, somewhere over there, yeah.

Probably. That's going to be hard to see because you're just going to see woods, I think.

Yeah.

Yeah, so that power is, we're beyond that power. Behind those trees. You should put it back in there.

You can see the building from Guy.

I think I'm mostly all set for tonight. I'm curious to see your final plan, your materials. Architectural materials?

Yeah. The intent would be to try to make it look exactly like the existing building, which is why we're really just mirroring that building.

So you can see through there a little bit.

Okay. Yeah. I mean, you guys were here for the neighbors' concerns. Maybe just take those concerns, try to reflect them as much as possible in your final plan.

Mark, can you go to overhead again, please?

I'm sorry.

Overhead. So I was on site today. A lot of employees. Got a lot of cars there. yeah it's a good thing um and one of my concerns is the fact that you're a button residential and so i was looking at screening and zoom in a bit mark to where the fence is coming down yeah so you're taking the trees down here as well right

Um, yes, those, those trees and the stockade fence are going down and what's going up.

And so you put up a new stockade.

Yep. And what about, we have some plantings going in, in the storm, uh, storm facility, but those are a little lower. So we could explore putting in some, some trees too, to replace the ones we took out.

Yeah. What's important for me is, you know, some landscaping to help buffer the residential understood.

Yep. Yeah, those shrubs you see there, that's more of a requirement of the DEC manual with the bioretention basins. But those are just native.

I guess those trees are pretty mature. Do they have to come out?

Yeah, unfortunately, if we didn't remove them, we're going to be into the root area. So we're going to have to put, like I said, the stockade fence. Then we're going to explore some.

The fencing, will it continue along the new building?

Yeah, well, I was just talking about it with Mike. We're kind of thinking, yeah, we were kind of thinking, you know, so there's the existing fence, but wrapping it down like right there, you might as well.

It's actually pretty open from that neighbor's backyard.

Yeah, there's a jog in the property line there that kind of, you know.

Including shrubbery, some landscaping that will help buffer.

Yeah, okay.

And then on the south side, slight down mark. We talked about these trees. You're going to be doing something there. I think a mixture of different types of tree would help.

Deciduous evergreen, yep.

And will that continue along where the new building is going?

Well, we're maintaining the woods to the right. If you move the page right a little bit... Yeah, you can see that bubble line. That's the existing vegetation we're leaving. So I feel that's sufficient right there. But I think the concern is that these are in poor health. The deer have eaten them up, right? Yeah, the bottom of this area would be.

I saw it. So the new trees or whatever you put in there, it'll go to this tree line?

Yes. Yeah.

I made note of the containers. You're saying those are going to go away. The pavement on that side is a little bit rough. Are you planning on redoing that?

We do that whole part. We've kind of been holding off, waiting for this project to do that whole lot at once. That whole lot there.

That's all in rough shape. Yeah, we can show that on the next set of plans.

And the detailed landscape and that we'll be doing and

yep the landscape so landscaping fencing um photometric plan and then the architectural materials yeah perfect lighting yep steve uh so architectural materials but also color architectural elevations some plants right we submitted some elevations um would those be suitable with colors on them mr chairman we have them yes a 2.1 i just think it needs it probably just needs to have some more call outs and some color on there so you can visually um see what's going on it actually a 2.1 shows the elevation of the existing building in the proposed on on the um on the north side yeah no i don't see it i didn't see it either Oh, right there.

Yep.

So the existing building, obviously, to the right, and then the proposed to the left.

That shows colors?

No, I'm saying if we added colors to this, would that be acceptable? Or what else are you looking to see?

You're going to want to look at the architectural standards and work them in a bit.

The bottom of the building, is it a different material right now, or is it just a different color?

Split.

So the lower half as a different material. So what is that material you say you're trying to the same.

We would be trying to match up the steel.

color all the way down, but the tan color you see there, what is that material that's masonry that means, but I thought yeah that's right yeah.

To the new building would be the same and.

No, the new building would just be the steel. It probably would not have the masonry. It would just match the steel on top.

Yeah, I think we misspoke earlier. We're not architects, you can tell. We'll make sure our tech's here next time and we'll provide you with color.

I'm looking at our standards.

Okay, architectural standards. Yep, got it. That's all. Thank you.

Thank you. Anything at this point?

All said for now, yes i did i guess most of the issues are really related so i probably will do a fairly thorough review of these plants as they are yep

It tweaked.

Okay.

Perfect. Great. We're all set for now.

Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you. Have a good night. Next item on the agenda, this is for Oneida Lake Properties LLC. This is a proposed office for Salt Spring Paving at 9328 Brewerton Road. Good evening.

I have 11 by 17 copies of the drawings, and we'd like to see those rather than look at the full size or whatever that would help you.

That would be good.

Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

For the record, my name is Jim Hagan, architect, and I'm here representing the applicants who are here with me tonight. Mr. Dygert and his son, Mr. Dygert, also are here. They own the property, and they are the applicants. They own the Oneida Lake properties, but they also own and operate Salt Springs Paving, which has been around for quite a few years in the local community. The property that they own is located on the east side of Brewerton Road, north of Mud Mill Road, quite a distance. And the aerial photo that I've got on the top is shown in light green in the site area. It has a four-acre total area, but has only 154 foot of frontage on Route 11. The property is also about 500 foot deep from Route 11 back to their rear property line, which is the right-of-way for the National Grid overhead power lines, high-voltage power lines. And in fact, National Grid has a 50-foot easement that encroaches onto their property that limits what could occur in that portion of their site. The power lines themselves are actually about 40 foot off of the edge of the property line. So it's not like the lines are right over the top of the property. The One thing I wanted to show you with the aerial photo, it sometimes gets a little confusing, but they're actually quite a distance away from Route 81. But at that point, Route 81 and Route 11 diverge a little bit, and it's a large area that's undeveloped, and I believe a lot of that is wetland area. There is a road that goes behind the property that National Grid uses to service their equipment back in that area. And in the area, you can see that lightly on the light line on there. To the north of the property on Route 11 is a vacant restaurant. Let me get my pointer out here. On this property right here, there's a vacant restaurant. Next to it is a smaller parcel that is currently just vacant land. This, the L-shaped property is what Mr. Digard owns, and there's a series of five houses that front on Route 11. And then to the south of it, there's a property that I believe in the past has been used for boat storage. So the area is generally a mix of residential, commercial, and given what's going on, we expect more commercially recurring down the road. Mr. Digard would like to build a one-story building to house his business. It would be at 60 by 120 rough dimensions, so about 7,200 square feet. That will be his primary office for his business. And he does work throughout the central New York region. A lot of work in within the town as well. Building actually set back about, you can go to, you know, we got the site plan from Route 11. Could you shift that up a little bit, Mark? Okay. That's close enough. From the street line on Route 11, it's about 319 foot to the face of the building. From the west face of the building to the property, which is the rear line of the residences, there's a 50-foot dimension right now. And there's existing trees in that area. The building is set back about, let me know who's here. 117 feet from the north property line, going a little bit of a diagonal, and about 226 feet to the south property line. And then over 100 feet from the building to the rear property line adjacent to the National Grid. In terms of coverage, the building's actually got about 5% site coverage. It does have areas around the building for paving for storage of vehicles. The primary office will be located in the front northwest corner, right there where my dot is, which will have entrance door and some windows, and that'll be the one you will see from the street. However, being so far setback, I don't think very many people are going to see that building most of the time. He is showing, we are showing 17 parking spaces to be located along the entrance drive. He has approximately 15 full-time employees, a lot of seasonal work, but peak, he had 15 people. Because of the nature of his business, he doesn't get a lot of visitors coming into his business. And a lot of the guys will come in in the morning, drop their vehicle, and then they go off to various job sites. There's no physical work being done here. This is their office and headquarters. We have retained the services of LJR Engineering, Alex Wisniewski, and the package we're presenting tonight is kind of a preliminary discussion. Alex has done some preliminary work on the storm drainage system and come up with some basic concept for it. He has run preliminary numbers, but he hasn't gone through a full detailed analysis or even thought about approaching a SWPPP at this point. Currently, the land is generally flat. However, it is high in the northeast corner and generally slopes gradually to the south. And then you have some drainage that goes out to Route 11 with existing drainage along the highway. There is a 15-inch diameter pipe that starts right about where my dot is and runs diagonally across the property onto National Grid property. That drainage drains a lot of the site right now, but also picks up the drainage from the rear of these properties, which flows east onto this property and goes into that culvert, the pipe. What we're proposing to do is actually raise the center of the site so we get more positive drainage directed both to the west, where we will have a biofilter area right here next to the parking area, And then from there, it will be piped over here to a forebay and a detention basin, which then ultimately ties it to the 15-inch diameter pipe. So the stormwater will be controlled on site, and then channeled to the current drainage course. The site is served by public water. There is a fairly large main. I think it's a 12-inch main on the west side of Brewer 11. There is a hydrant located kind of just off the corner of the building on the west side of the highway. Steve, you and I talked about the need for fire hydrant. You mentioned the 400-foot. We're close to that number right now. It's a question of how it gets measured. If it's a furniture property, we're okay.

If it's a building, we're probably close. So we'll have to look at that with a lot of thought.

There are no sewers up there. We do not anticipate a lot of sewage being generated, given the fact that you've got a relatively small number of occupants on site most of the time. But what we have made provisions for is installation of a new septic system to be located up in the front of the site, which is shown sized right here with room for future expansion. When finished, that will be basically the lawn area. In our package, Mark, do you want to go to the next drawing, please? What we've done is blow up sections of the site at a 20 scale, mainly to facilitate readability. When you look at that at 30 scale, it's hard to look at some of the details of the grading and the utilities in that area. So basically, all that is a blow up of the overall site plan. We have... existing tree line that runs along the south property line. And some of that may be removed. We understand there'll be a probably need for additional buffering along that area. We haven't really looked at in a whole lot of detail at this stage of the game. There is, Mark, could you go to the next slide, please? Yep. This is the floor plan of the building, which, again, is 122-foot wide. I said 120 earlier. That's because of the way the building would be constructed and about 60-foot wide. But in addition, there's a roof overhang on the east side of the building that's 10-foot wide that would allow them to store materials and equipment adjacent to the building under that roof line. But that'd be on the opposite side from the residential properties We go one more slide elevations The building is proposed is a metal building Would have a sloped roof We have had discussions with Steve about the design guidelines and we know we're gonna have to do something more than this and What confuses me a little bit is when I read the guidelines, I understand how that was developed. And I would assume it's oriented more towards the Route 11, Route 31 corridor, as opposed to remote sites like this, particularly where you've got a building that's set back so far from the road. We're certainly willing to discuss that with you and see if we can make some improvements. I'd just like to know some comments to get some direction before we go too far.

Um, good question. And yeah, I think we've been told before we have some flexibility with that. Um, so we're going to want to see more than what's showing now. We're going to want to see more than what we see. So somewhere in between would probably be acceptable. Oh, between the fold fall and where we are. Yeah. Everybody agree with that given the location of the building.

I know you've had some circumstances with similar type buildings elsewhere in the town. Is there any indication what direction you were used on those projects? Was it different colors, different materials? I mean, the mass.

You mean what's required now under the detailed guidelines?

Yeah.

Different materials, different colors, a base, a crown.

I don't know how it's appropriate on a mental building, though.

At 60 feet, you've got to jog the building.

Given the economies of the building structure, the basic rectangle is what works best for his operations. If you start playing with the massing of the metal building, you lose a lot of economies and create other detailing problems. What I was referring to was have you, under the new guidelines, dealt with similar metal building structures in the past?

Better cut off the road like this? Yeah. Not that I can think of.

Now, this is kind of new for us to begin with.

I understand that. I don't know that.

I'm not reaching. Unless I'm missing something. I don't think we had anything exactly like this at this distance away from North Avenue. No, I don't either. That has been more forward. The closest thing might be the fire department to tuck the building back behind their building a little bit. But where we've dealt with it, much smaller we've talked about and i think that's maybe where jim is going is you know what have they done in those buildings what would have we requested you know different colors at the base or the top or you know so i think he's just looking for a little guidance and then we're there and what we did to the fight department or well there are other metal buildings i know we had that landscaper on east staff road we had some discussions about his building uh

Yeah, I can't answer that off the top of my head.

Okay. Again, I'm looking for some input, so we're not just playing 20 questions. I guess what I'm saying.

Okay. Okay.

Okay. I'll get your contact from him later from Steve. Okay. That'll give me some direction where we got to go. Perfect.

You guys just guess.

Yeah, I don't have a detail. It tells me this is what we kind of can.

Yeah. The setback on 60 feet and, you know, change in elevation, those types of things. my mind, or if you're up along a road project, right, where you don't want to be driving down and seeing one big long mass. This is set 300 feet down from the road, and it's hidden from view all over the place. That's probably not needed, right?

It doesn't have to be as trenchant, yeah.

As far as how to make the building more attractive with one material, again, I didn't I would suggest getting Andy involved and providing, you know, working with Jim to come up with something that he would be comfortable recommending to the board as being acceptable.

Good idea. Okay. We will do that. Perfect. Good. We obviously have some work to do. The purpose of the meeting tonight was really to expose you to what our thoughts were and get some initial feedback as we head in the right direction or we have issues we really got to address. You know, the site plan is pretty straightforward. The driveway's got to come in off Route 11. We know what to do with New York State DOT, the highway work permit, ACWA. We've got a lot of engineering to be done. to address any concerns the town or Mark may have. That's going to take us a little bit of time to do that. And so realistically, it might be two or three meetings down the road before we come back with a revised package. Are there any other thoughts the board may have as well to what we proposed?

Can you get into the detail a little bit about the daily activity? There's two 40-foot vehicles inside, one 60-foot vehicle. So kind of traffic, you mentioned the number of employees. What kind of activity actually happens within that facility? These vehicles, are they moving in and out? If so, how often? And if you don't have that now, that's fine. I understand that. Chuck, do you want to add something to this? Could you please approach?

Sorry, this is Chuck Dygert.

Good evening. Typically the crews go right to the field. That's for maintenance and vehicles is what that area is for. Some mornings there might be five or six people in there leaving at seven o'clock. Other mornings there might be eight. Most mornings there's none. I mean, that's what you're looking for.

What are the large vehicles? Trucks, dump trucks. And how often are they coming in and out?

They leave in the morning, come back at night.

You also got your paving machines and they're out on the job sites.

One's a 60-foot dump truck?

A 60-foot trailer.

So is all your equipment going to be at this site?

in the, just specifically in the wintertime, but during the season, very seldom is there, unless there's a problem with it.

But it's not like there's another facility where it'll be coming from. I mean, everything you have will go in and out of there.

Mark, those kinds of trailers and trucks, is there any special, you know, Dave Kuntz, guidance, we need relative to traffic control.

Dave Kuntz, I mean they just have to have the entrance design correctly to allow them to enter exit. Dave Kuntz, You know. Dave Kuntz, State high label. address that and make sure that it's got proper width and radii?

Yeah, I think what Chuck is saying is, for the most part, it's a very low volume traffic generator. Yes, it does occur. Some maybe in the mornings and stuff comes back in the afternoons. Right. And periodically during the day, if they have a problem with a truck, they'll bring it in and take care of it and back to the job site.

I do have a question. I guess, so you're going to plan on doing maintenance and working on the vehicles in the air? So are there any boardrooms or anything in the building?

There will be, ultimately. So you have to worry about oil, water separators, things like that.

Yeah, and so it's not on septic. It's on septic. It's not on public sewers. That's correct.

So we have to make arrangements for that, yeah. It may have to be pump stuff.

So that will be detailed?

It will be, yes. Yeah, we can't put that in a septic system.

That's my concern. Yeah, that's it.

They're open to questions, Jim.

OK, so you're going to store part of your equipment inside. Inside is for maintenance. OK. So everything will be outside that. Yes. Trucks and pavers and rollers and what have you.

They'll be predominantly along the east property line away from the building. So it's far away from the levers we can get with it. He may have a, what I'm going to call a storage trailer, but basically it's parts equipment that would be parked next to the building, small tools.

Okay.

And that's a gravel area? Yes.

And where the proposed building is, it's dark gray, but the other gray, this is all paved?

Yes, it is. The road coming in from Route 11 in front of the building on the north side of the building and wrapping around on the east side is partially paved and the rest of it is crushed stone. Now, if he has a good year, that may get increased, but we're taking that into account with the storm drainage.

Probably no good paver to set you up, right? I look forward to seeing the next presentation.

Okay, where all the parking spots are, that's all paved?

Yes, it is.

Okay, and on the one side of the building, it says crushed stone. Okay.

Backhand? The shaded area to the right is crushed stone.

on the east side of the building, building to almost the property line from what I'm going to call the north wall of the building further south is crushed stone. So the darker shade is where the paving is.

And that's near where the equipment would be in that, right?

Some of it would be on the crushed stone area along the east property line.

And where would you be cleaning the vehicles in that that are used for it? That would be in the building. In the building? Yes. Okay.

Good. Chuck, anything additional? No, I'm all set. All right.

So you said you were going to build up the property before you build, and this bio-retention area will handle all the draining?

Yes.

And that's including for all the neighbors?

Looks like we're trying to bypass the drainage from the neighborhood route where it goes down. Separate that drainage from the outside route.

Or could you back up a little bit on that site plan?

As you said, the drainage from the neighbors flowed through. Let me show you the plan.

This is probably the best bet.

Yeah, okay. What happens is the property line elevation is lower than this site. Right now, the drainage from the neighbor's property drains onto this property and goes over across. There it goes. goes from their property line over to a point here where there's an existing 15-inch diameter pipe that crosses the property and goes over onto the National Grid property with other drainage courses. What we're proposing to do is leave a surface swale along the property line that would pick up any drainage coming to residential properties run it along the west property line and where it'd be picked up in a pipe that would pipe to the north to the east where it ties into that same 15-inch diameter pipe. So that drainage is separate from what we've got to do on the site. But then to accept the increased runoff from the paved areas, we shift over to the north side of the site the other way. There we go. All this paved area, it will be graded and actually we're showing a catch base in the air and a pipe coming to the biofilter area. So the runoff from basically this area of the site, the entrance drive, and a portion of the roof drainage will go into the biofilter area. From there, it goes through a catch basin and a pipe structure to a forebay, which will hold some water, and from there, the detention basin. And I don't have the details of that with me right now, but part of that detention basin will hold a permanent water volume. We have been on site, I guess, at the end of last year, beginning of this year, before it really hit. And they've done per test and some preliminary deep holes. So you have a general idea of what the geology is and what we're going to have to deal with with the drainage.

okay thank you for that explanation i understand it better um i also want to ask is there an issue with the septic field being so close to the road i mean it's probably not you don't actually need the appropriate step bags we're going to want to see that this has been approved by the county prior to cycling we haven't even started that process yet okay and it's commercial paving is that what you do commercial okay you do a little bit of residential work primarily commercial

is there ever ever um like noisy trucks like preparing for the day we're right in dewitt now and we were with another large contractor and i mean the truck started quarter to seven in the morning and we're actually in a residential area um and there hasn't been any problem there there was one neighbor years ago we did a sound test and it's

all good a lot of ways that's similar to this site in that it's in a residential area but the way the trucks and the vehicles are set back away from the residential properties quite a bit and the property actually backs up to a wetland yeah and 481 yeah so it's very similar circumstance okay that's all i have zach

i think i'm pretty much all set for tonight besides building i'm just one opinion but maybe we can give them some type of direction do we think the staggered every 60 feet is necessary can we at least give them a answer on that what kind of insight being set back so far yeah i'm i'm good with what you're favorite by the road i understand but does everybody agree with that

Chuck, do you agree with getting rid of the stagger in the building? Yes, absolutely. So that can go away. We'll let Anthony know that. Okay. Or I'll reach out to Anthony.

Good. I'll try to contact him in this next week and get dialogue going back and forth.

All set? Yeah, I'm all set besides that.

I am as well. Steve?

I'm all set for now. Thank you.

Neil, anything? Mark?

separate. I'm not going to do any sort of view on these at this point. I'm going to allow them to advance them further.

It works. Good. All set? Thank you very much. You're welcome. Thank you. Have a good night.

Thank you.

That concludes the agenda items. Any discussion from the team?

Any questions? Absolutely. Steve, any quick questions?

Yeah.

A couple of the houses that have been seriously burnt to recognition.

What's the status on those coming up?

I think one was on Ferguson Road down from the dump. And the other is on Smith Road.

All of them we've been in communication with property owners. I know that I've been in communication with one on Ferguson Road with... mortgage lenders and violation notices out there. Without getting into too much detail, there's legal matters that are being resolved. The other one at Smith Road, we've talked to them a number of times, they're supposed to be getting their plans together, the contractor committed for an application, he just hasn't submitted an application for a fellowship. I hope that those are two you're talking mostly about. There's been some other recent ones. It does take a while.

Yeah. Just concerned about the kids getting in there, vagrants.

We've been eyeing them and seeing that they're secured. And one, we had to put a construction fence around it just last week because, again, another situation where insurance companies don't know what investigation is treating the findings, you know, trying to.

Sure.

Thank you. Thank you.

Anything else? We have a motion to adjourn.

Motion to adjourn.

And do we have a second?

Second.

Meeting is adjourned. Good night, everybody.