Council - Regular Meeting

meeting is now in session. Please rise for saying the pledge of allegiance. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Please remain standing, Miss Gary. You bow with me. Thank you, Father. Father, we're so very blessed. Thank you for loving us. Thank you for Jesus. Thank you for our counsel and the beautiful town we live in. Father, I pray that you give them the wisdom and the courage to make big decisions and be with them. Thank you so much. It's in Jesus name I pray. Amen. Thank you. Miss Garrett, will you please take I will. Joseph Cox, present. Eric Hayden, present. Dennis Johnson, present.

Jacob Everett, present. Emily Pearson, present. We have a quorum with all five members present. Moving along to the approval of the agenda. Does anybody have any additions? Um, I can take that redevelopment commission. I just want to remind guys that we need to schedule a meeting, but we've already done that. So, okay, go and take that off. Um, we are going to add a 15-minute parking discussion for downtown. What are you doing? Uh, new business. I just have a couple or should I put that under miscellaneous park new businesses? New business. Okay. Um, the concrete pitting in front of Jimmy's uh trucks through town. Yep. And Frontier boxes going in the neighborhoods everywhere.

I mean, it's a bigger discussion than just Frontier though. Yeah. I mean just utility boxes in general. Does anybody have anything else? Not I'm good. Not I'll entertain a motion to approve the agenda as amended. So moved. Dennis Johnson. Second. Emily Pearson. Motion and a second. All in favor? I opposed. We have an agenda. Moving along to the approval of the prior minutes of which we have four. We have the town council retreat memorandum from March 12th. the town council staff meeting from March 12th, the town council retreat memorandum for March 17th, and the town council meeting minutes for March 17th. Has everybody had an opportunity to review those?

I'll make a motion to approve all four sets of meeting minutes. I'll second Dennis Johnson. Motion to second. All in favor? I opposed. Good to go there. Moving on to the approval of the claims 47. Any questions on those? If not, I'll entertain a motion to approve the claims as presented. Oh, I did have a question. I'm sorry. Hey Rhonda, I saw the claims there were some expenditures for the related to our uh Yes, for our experts for the battery project. What's the process for how those are being covered or whatever? Do we have we received a payment from AA? Okay.

And those are being all they they were all paid out of that some that money that they sent to us. Thank you. And the balance returned correct from the escrow. When when it's when it's completed. When it's completed. Okay. Thank you. I'm good. Thank you. All right. I make a motion we pay our bills. Have a motion. A second. Dennis Johnson. Motion. A second. All in favor? Opposed? Let's get them paid. Thank you.

Uh moving along to council committee reports. Nothing for EDC. Mr. Freeman, you back there somewhere? time. I guess nothing new for the board right now. I'll defer to Keith as far as start time on the infrastructure and more space, but that's all we have at this time. I do agree with you. The utility boxes we've I think we've told talked about that before. We coordination with them. So hopefully they're not right on top of us and they can keep track of keep clear of all the lines that keep. All right. Thank you very much.

Moving along. Legal council report. Mr. Colt. Uh nothing at this time other than I will have the ordinance governing the absort seating will be presented at the next meeting. Um I will get the revised document out to you later this week and that way you have time to look at it and if you have a question or change we can have it ready to go. Awesome. Thank you very much. Mr. Col um talked about it before trucks limiting weight through tunneling. Um I mean I'm seeing more and more trucks coming through. So can we get that? We we can I I just need to know what route we want to prohibit and what the tonnage or the weight limits are.

So I think the route is Jackson Street. You guys agree with that? Yeah. But from are you talking Jackson Street from 19 to Maine or town limit? Just town east to town limit to the west right now. Okay. So cut them off the bridge too which makes perfect sense because once they cross that bridge there's nowhere for them to go anyway. And from the east, I mean, if you let them come all the way to 19, they've become a significant part of Jackson, which kind of defeats the purpose, right? Yeah. I mean, that's the main purpose, right? This extra weight. Yeah. And watching sim go through downtown. I mean, there's more people moving around with the sidewalks we've done and it's pretty tight. I'm a little it can become tight.

Are we going to make an exception for local deliveries? Yes, I think you have to. And farmers Yeah. That's standard. What would be the tonnage? What are we going to restrict? We're going to have to research that. Unless you've already done it. I haven't.

I sent that one. I'll see if I can pull it up. I sent version I found from another community which I'm not advocating for. I just was sharing it as a reference. Uh exceptions are garbage trucks, school buses, a municipal vehicles, tow trucks. It doesn't say local deliveries, but that obviously that there has to be an exception for that. I'm trying to see if it has the tonnage. This says this one is exceeding 17 tons, which is 34,000 pounds. I have no idea if that's a good measurement or not.

It seems like a lot, but this is town of McCordsville. Okay. Can we get back to you on that? Tractor trailers are 40 tons and and that might be something to So towns often post much lower limits. 5 tons, 10 tons, 15 to 20 tons. We might want to ask Terry and Keith to give us some input in terms of what we would want. Keith, you're you're looking like you want no part of that. I just I don't know off top of my head. Okay. All right. Would you mind reaching out?

As soon as I have that, the ordinance is going to be very simple. Okay. You get think you guys can have that ready by the next meeting? Yeah, I'm sure the next couple days. Okay. Be super appreciated. Thank you, Terry. We would need signage. Yeah. On each end of town. Any other routes that concern you? I mean, that's We just invested heavily down Jackson Street. So, I know we get a lot of traffic down street now, too. We do. Yes. So, I assume that's a that you would like to see it on string town as well then.

No restrictions. Yes, restrictions. I don't see why we have to have semis on string town anyway. No, I don't think so. Is it semis you see or what do you see? I see everything. Everything. Interesting. Why a semi would ever be on string town on string town for that. Come over and visit. Well, we believe you. Yeah, we believe you. I just I don't I don't understand why they would need to. So So it's how they get off the direction on their the GPS and that's how they gotcha. So we would like Jackson and String Town to start definitely Jackson. I had thought about string town. I

think something you'll have to consider is what alternate routes are going to Yeah. Yeah. What's our obligation? Like how do we direct them? I know what that mean. It's not going to be on the side. So I thought about it. Yeah. 32 to 38. But I mean what do we do to direct 276 you just have to put on your side I believe. Oh it goes on the side I think. You'll have to I'm not mistaken in most communities that I've seen they will have an alternate route directing them on what direction you need to go and what road to pick up. Okay. To go from 236 to 276 to get from 31 to 19. Yeah.

Well, Chief, you got any thoughts? No, I'm more the restriction. Absolutely. I mean, we'll have to rely on you to help us enforce it, obviously. Oh, yeah. Yeah. For at least a while. He's he's going to get those skills one way or another. Is there a way is there a way to register that with like a a Google Maps or something? So I think you have to you okay? All right. So we everybody understand the assignment? All right. Thank you guys. I assume I can cross that off from the And for the alternate route, you can even send them north and have them take another road and then cut back down to 236 at some point. Yeah. So they don't have to go all the way up to 26. The one by is the right road.

281st. That one has 281st. 281st from 19, 276 from 31. I mean that's the right route. and 32 and 38. Yeah. But if they get off, let's say they get off at 236 and they come eastbound and they need to essentially get through downtown. You just want to route them not all the way to 276. You want to just get them around the same, right? Well, why not? Yeah, but you need a plan or something is what I'm saying, right? You don't want you don't want semis on the back roads other than 276 or 38 and 32 in my opinion. I I agree with that. We saw what happened to what

I can't think of what 246 during all that and that was just from car traffic. All right, moving along. Um Cisco Jackson Township Plan Commission report. Mr. Zoladsky.

Evening council. I sent this out uh by email earlier today. Uh this is the uh latest version of the director's report. This is for March of 2026. Permanent revenue for the month of March 2026 was $6,920 and some change brings us up to a year to date of $34,490 and some change. At the same time, last year at March 2025, we were at $5,191 for the month and $8,63 for the year. That's the difference for the month of March. A plus $1,729 and change and a plus for the year $26,427,000 and change. We issued a total of 26 building permits for March of 26. 18 were for within the corporate limits. One new home there. We issued another eight out in Jackson Township. No new homes out there though. Uh estimated cost of these projects permitted was1,169,328. Uh plan commission meeting coming up has been cancelled for April. Originally scheduled for April 8th due to lack of business. The BCA meeting schedule uh scheduled has also been cancelled due to lack of business. Um in other news, our annual report to IDM for storm water runoff was forwarded to them during the month. Uh, I got the reply back on that today after I sent out my report and IDM says no deficiencies. So, I was very glad to hear that. Uh, that's my report.

Great. Good job. Good job, Frank. Thank you very much. On the topic of cancellations, are we cancelling the staff meeting next week? I have it on my agenda miscellaneous. So, it's up to you. All right. I we don't really have anything we need to run to. And Thursday night, it was going to be moved to Tuesday night originally. So, do do you have something? Oh, I thought you were trying to get my attention. So, everybody, there is no staff meeting next week. Cancelled. Thank you. Unless you really want to come in. You're welcome to, but hold on. Keith Dano, you have anything? All right. Thank you, Keith. Your show now.

Go for it. Town engineer report. Mr. Bryant. Waste work continues. Remember continues working on the oxidation dish and hard rehab. They updated their schedule. It indicates that they'll be finished in miday. We'll get a meeting on site tomorrow. See how optimistic or not right now. I did submit after review that was just on Friday. just see if you have any questions.

So, going back to the contingency before we get to the their payout. Um, I mean, it's sitting and I know you thank you for sending the email after our last discussion to that. I mean, I'm not satisfied about a million dollars for half the the effort, right? Um, so Erin, I guess I don't know where we go from here. I mean, what are you

what? So, I think I think maybe what we need to do is we need to get a list of every piece of apparatus that we're paying for it that was on site for that extended time. I mean, I get a portion of it, but that million dollars, it's been a while since we looked at I think that's pretty much double the cost for now three months. So it just doesn't it just doesn't sit with me. So I I mean I know that they have in their sheets the equipment that's there. So I I guess do we ask for a summary summary of each of that piece each of those apparatus above what was originally planned to be there or how do we go about doing that? I mean, it's it's beyond reasonable in my mind.

I mean, we we can certainly request that they provide the documentation for us to look at it and then if we disagree with it, there's a process through the agreement if we want to have a grievance or contest something like that. But depending on the route we want to go through, we need to decide exactly how you're wanting to proceed. And some of that may be depending on it substance for an exact session rather than have public discussion.

Okay. I guess you guys think about it. I mean, so they've come back for roughly a million dollars because equipment had to stay on site, which we owe. That's almost I mean going from memory, it's almost double what we had expected. So, all right. Let's So, what are our options? Are we just sitting on everything for the moment,

which I don't have a problem with? assume that we're not process any

I would like to better understand what's going on. I'm not thrilled with what I'm hearing. So think about it they're talking about. So that's what makes me even a little more upset, right? Terry and I spoke about it. Well, they came in what, three, four weeks ago and told us that they only had a small anticipated amount of other contingency and now they're coming in with all this. Well, the trucks the other was

the other 18 months above what their estimate was. Yeah. But I thought they'd indicated that between then and the end of the project, they didn't foresee they did. They did. Yeah. It wasn't four or five days later that Yeah. What uh moves do we have?

Well, I think we need to understand the data first before we we do anything. We need to understand the data. I'd like to see what equipment was on site. Kind of get Terry's feel if he thinks that's accurate and then why it's for a three or four month delay. Why? equal to the whole length of the other equipment on site.

Some of their explanation is more equality if their estimate was off by contract the contingency. So it's I'm not sure. I I share your concern. I'm not just sure. What would you do about it? Just be honest. Kind of feel like this is the equivalent of change ordering your way into profitability, you know, in a construction scenario.

Would they also make some statement about their productivity levels or something? Did I hear something about that? They mentioned I think there were some delays in the equipment and they mentioned that their productivity went down at the end again ask questions we'll see tomorrow Yeah, I'll do some research and try to do a better job of pushing through equipment.

I know it does. I can't, you know, I can't say they were using every piece of equipment every day. Odds are they weren't. Well, it's not. It's If it's on site, though. If it's on site, we're paying for it. Yeah, that's correct. I just I I just don't understand for that three months when they've been working for 16 months and they extend it call four months whatever the duration is right and it equals the equipment budget for that previous 16 months that's doesn't make any sense

all right I will um if you don't mind me giving them that feedback again. They they were here once and I let it slip slide. But they attend the next meeting. Well, I mean, I'm still stuck on that that added expense even. I know that they were here and I I'm just not sure how to go about what extra equipment was here that wasn't for over that other 16 months to essentially double that budget item line item. I'm close if I remember correctly. It essentially doubled, didn't it?

Close to you and every payout we could tell. We would check our burn rates and we would very low response typically and you know I think and I think their hope was back so I mean I can agree that there's some extra amount sure but is it double is where I'm stuck

well their last report to us was so they positioned it as such a positive report that they were almost done and they were giving giving us some money back into, you know, and like so and now here we are a month later talking about the exact opposite doesn't sit well with me.

So then their pay we have time to table it till next meeting correct? Yep. So just to be clear what we see in the margin or is it only if they want to tap contingency again? Yeah, only if they want to tap contingency again and if they do tap contingency again I want to have a detailed review of I think we want to have a detailed review of um that extra equipment. And you know what I'm trying to ask. I'm just not doing a very Good job of explaining it. Thank you.

Is the Baker's Corner treatment plant construction project is that public information? I mean, will we be able to see the same type of scenario over there?

I'm just curious if this is the same mo I don't know public information request and I don't think they had a contingency like we had. Okay. Well, and it's also probably not apples to apples because that was a new bill. Yeah. Versus That's a fair point. Yeah. Yeah. So, but there's got to be others like ours out there that we could probably It gives me something to do. All right.

All right. Move on. Thank you. 2024 CCMD is West Jackson Street. unlisted. There are a couple items on the on the list that really warranty items that they're still working on waiting for temperature. One of the concrete probably you mentioned the pitted concrete come back and replace that is that in front of my wife pointed it out. So yeah, it was on the list in front of Jimmy's. Yeah. Okay. And Larry Shel with CCNT was in town today. Talked to Terry. I text him here. I think we were there tomorrow. meet up with him fixing it next week.

So they will tear it out and my understanding. So then Terry, can you or Dan, can one of you guys please make sure you get with Jim and let them know or whoever wherever we're going to look at tearing it out, please?

Yes, we'll definitely have to let them know. Thank you. And then striping is going to get fixed. They're committed. Their sub is committed to doing that. They just have to until we got in writing from anything that's left we got in committed to do it at no additional cost. So on this same topic Terry at one point, excuse me, we had talked about the bike racks downtown. Is there a plan to put those back in? Uh wait on I've had multiple businesses ask me about it. businesses.

Well, Dark Side being one the most recent. So, they apparently they have a lot of traffic that people bring their bikes and there's nowhere to put them. But that was a concern from the get-go of mine, but my understanding was that they were going to remain downtown. Did I misunderstand that? Uh, we're just I'm I'm just waiting on guidance from the council. Okay. What's your I mean the ones down on the east side were never used down the east side. So there used to be one down by the pocket park down there. Okay. I've never saw anybody. There were How many were there? Three or four?

Oh, but essentially there's nowhere for people to lock their bikes up at this point downtown. You have to be real careful where you put on there's not there's not a lot of places for room for sure. Could you guys do me this? Could you at least take a look at it and find out where we might be able to place a few of them where it would make sense? Where are the where are the hot buttons? The hot buttons are going to be any business that has transient customer base. So what is that? Dark side.

Dark side being one of them. I would one on this side of the street whether it be for Betsies or I I don't think you're the groomer is going to be using it much but um even if we had like four downtown total I think that's too much but just if you could just look at it to see where they could potentially be placed I'd appreciate it. All right so I can scratch off the concrete pitting. Okay.

Last two or three weeks it seems like. So we did recommend up there 11 and 12. They have 11 they're retaining. So that's money they've already earned that looking to release in cap 12 as their final invoice for final quantities which in conjunction was sent with a change final change order that change order is $12,000 in change deduct to the contract. We did utilize all the grant loans. So this $112,000 is 100% return to the town.

So the 36 of 11 you said is it's just money that was held over that's retained. Yes. Basically by contract we held 10% of their invoices for every invoice until they got 50% complete and then and no more. So it end up being 5% of the contract roughly at the end just to ensure that they do everything on the punch list. But we're not done yet.

We're technically done with the punch list and the only left are warranty items technically because they didn't do them. They just come back and fix them. So we still have a warranty on top of that that's protected by performance and payment for the next year for anything fall apart. Everything needs to be redone errors. We can hold this money longer, but our problem is we have to get these paid. We have to get all the final paperwork to end up when I say paid, we have to get cancelled checks back by the end of the month or we lose our by the end of this month.

So, it's it's really a necessity and contractually it's it's correct and they do have that concrete But those are things next week for days. I guess I didn't realize we if we don't approve it. So what's our mechanism if there's a problem in the future? We have the warranty. You have the Okay. 12 months after substantial completions.

Same same with any construction contract. Yeah. So then how does payout 12 work? Looks like it's 82,5445. They they just take that off of something or trying to see what you're talking about. So PA 12 just has it under deductions. So they're going to write us a check.

No, that's where the change order comes in. So if you go to the next page on that is the change order and that actually deducts what's not done. What you know the final quantity. So that 82. So you're looking at the are you looking at the first page of the Yeah, the first page.

That is just that that is what total change was to the original contract by change orders. If you remember right, the first change order was a $30,000 ad. So that's why there's 100. There exactly 30,000 there. Change order one was when the town signed the change order before we started construction to replace the street lights rehab. That was the original ad. So then pay pay application to all the 75 53279.

Correct. So basically change over one was a $30,000 ad for the lights and change $12,000 the net change by change orders because of those two adding together. So I'll make a motion to pay pay off 11 and pay off 12. Have a motion. Have a second. I'll second Dennis Johnson.

Motion to second. All in favor? I opposed. Let's get them paid. You also approve that sign that final change. I'll make a motion to have Joe sign a final change order. Second. Motion and second. All in favor? I opposed. I will sign it.

Sure. I won't take a chance on losing this grant.

The grant was about $877,000. uh 2026 CCMP East Jackson. We're reviewing. We got some bills from the contractor companies today. We're trying to get from them. We did get their bonds and insurance which are good and we're competing the council have Joe being able to sign the notice to proceed since we need the bonds and some of the information yesterday. We we haven't sent that out. do have that here tonight and then we're just working with them on their schedule when they're going to start so we can have a pre-ruction meeting.

So I'll make a motion to allow president Cox to sign 2026 CCMG. I'll second motion and second. All in favor? I opposed.

Good to go. board meeting that the project morra that contractor is pipe solutions have submitted more subsals we're trying to confirm with them they thought they would start in the next week or two but wait that relay it to anybody we talked about media web pages such we did do a mail impact directly impacted property very last We did send that letter, but hopefully they're going to start a couple weeks. Actually, thought they'd be done in a month or so, didn't they? Only other thing I had on my list, and it's totally up to you guys. I didn't know if you wanted to bring up that task that we had last call on that task force was to basically survey the existing towers on the same and see how that impacts possible pressures.

Right, Dennis? Were you looking at that? I am. I don't have an answer yet. Okay. Postpone till the next meeting. Yeah. Okay. You good with that, Keith? Sure. But we so to go along with that however I mean I guess we still have time for another project kicks off. So okay you have anything else Mr. Brian? Thank you very much. Thank you. Thanks. Moving along to old business lateral transfer policy. Chief Frasier.

Good evening. Good evening. Good evening. So uh just revisiting what we talked about last week. Uh we pushed off this meeting to actually have a conversation and uh so open up if you guys have any questions from what I the information I had given you. Yeah. About lateral transfers. I don't have any questions. It's pretty straightforward to me. It's been being talked about since November. So, anybody have any questions for Chief? No. I We just need to formally adopt the language tonight. Correct. All right. Good.

One thing I didn't go back four to five year. Does that match from a salary perspective? Yeah, it's close. So, if it does, you're okay with it? I'm okay with it. Yeah. So, do we need a Yes. need a motion?

We need a motion to adopt the language. Or actually, are we modifying the handbook? I mean, how do we need to present this? I just think you need to adopt this policy. Just adopt the policy. Okay. I also make a motion to adopt the the new lateral firefighter language. Yes. Hire and pay credit policy. Policy. Yeah. Hiring uh and pay policy. Um, I don't have it here, but

so anybody in the audience that's wondering what we're talking about, essentially we're in a situation where we're competing with other fire departments um for staffing. And we're adopting a policy to essentially um honor their tenure from their other department instead of having them come out and like they're a brand new firefighter. So, they'll retain some of their benefits and everything. um just to make it more attractive. We've actually had a lot of success with it so far. So, this is just the formal adoption of the language. So, I will make a motion to adopt the new lateral firefighter hiring and pay credit policy. Then I'll second. Motion to second. All in favor? I opposed. Thank you. Thank you.

Do you guys need a copy of it or do you have I have a copy. We all have it on.

All right. Moving along to new business. We do not need to talk redevelopment commission. We've already got that scheduled. So, we're good there. Okay. So, the only other thing we have under new business is uh 15-minute parking downtown. So, in the world of un unintended consequences that we often speak about, um the loss of the parking has created some challenges uh between removing parking for seating and adding ADA compliant spaces. Um, so we've had some business owners reach out about the potential putting some u essentially 15-minute parking spots downtown that would operate in a 15minute zone during certain periods of time. Um, so that's what we're talking about here. So instead of putting them both in Sullivan's, the proposal is to remove the yellow stripe uh in front of Sullivan to make that 15-minute parking during a certain period of hours. Uh and then also the same in front of Dark Side and in front of Betsies. Those would all have 15-minute parking areas during a certain time frame, which we do need to determine what that time frame is. They don't have to be the same for each parking spot. talking to Mr. Sullivan. Um, his peak business hours during the week are 10:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. Um, they are open longer than that. Um, I think Dark Side given their limited hours, it would make more sense to be early in the morning. Um, and Betsies would probably be similar to Sivan's in front of Solivvens. Why was this area yellow? to begin with

because of that alley. It's always been that's what I assumed. It's kind of close to where someone might try to pull out of that alley. But with the stuff they're storing on site in the alley anyway, there's pallets full of stuff. Nobody's going to be turning that close. Mhm. No, I don't. It's just I think it's just sight line of sight. line of sight. Yeah, I don't have a huge problem. I was just curious why it was yellow. And have you spoken with all three businesses? They're willing to lose a spot out in front permanent spot.

They're not technically losing a spot. They're only losing it. It It's just being timed for certain hours. Dan, I I've spoken with Pat Sullivan. Have you spoken with the Emory's? No, we did not speak to anyone else. We just went out knowing it might be a speaking to Cooper might be losing by using corner areas that allow easing in and out. You're not trying to parallel park

between cars and some of those things and those seem logical spots and certain move in that direction, we talk to them. But I know we've heard from the Jackson Street and I think it is it would be nice if they had a drop out point. So, you know, I think there would probably be Yeah,

Mr. D, how do you police that because that question came up meeting I'm not for sure when 15 minutes started. It's got that period on five minutes into it or something like that. Rhonda in the old vacuum truck have her drive around town.

Did you depitize us? Do we get weapons? Sure. No stun guns. I think it would be a bit of an inconvenience. You know, if we wait on it probably won't get exact

and we would have to draft an ordinance and adopt it to write tickets off of it. So, we need to specify which spot, what the time frame was. And I I that's not complicated, but that's part of the enforcement. Sure. And I don't know that it even needs to be 15 minutes. I mean, I maybe we make that a little longer of a time period. 15 minutes is pretty tight. You can stand in line for 15 minutes of dark side. Yeah.

I don't have a big problem concept with this as a concept. I think what I don't want to have happen is the next time a new business opens that they're going to want one. And you know, it's like how do we I think these locations make strategic sense today, but we just I don't think we we're in a position to provide these to everybody that wants one and I wouldn't even justify it as for those businesses. No, I I understand that, but I just minute drop off downtown.

Yeah. And I agree with that. So, it's just it's something we've never done before and I don't want it to turn into something either. That never happens. What if instead of on the main street, maybe you guys already talked through this. What about right in front of town hall? I thought about that, too. They're just less visible. They're less visible. I agree. But that's kind of the point. Well, for the easy in and out, these really do make sense.

So, as long as the site part of the intent of why we sort of looked at them, came up with three, you know, originally it was sort of being requested by one business as you all know, but and trying to keep things for businesses, locate those strategically downtown. So, everyone from that picked up newer spots. So, yeah.

And I could honestly see that would be a big benefit to Ericas because a lot of older people go there and want to drop someone off and then park and Svin's would be a pretty close walk. Uh would we have to cut into our beautiful new sidewalks to put these signs in or is there another way to put them in? We were trying to discuss that. Best way to do it would be to come in a hole

and put in a plastic sleeve. And then we can put a black be dual purpose bike rack right now. The bike racks we'll probably have to drill and whack those down. That's how they were installed. Those bike racks were always in the way. I'm even a bicycle rider. I ride my bike all the time. Yeah. But now we've got the kids with the ebikes and they're higher value and they got nowhere to put them. We love how they zoom around town at 30 miles an hour and on the sidewalks. Got to promote that.

Well, we could. All right. So, basically from this discussion, I mean, how I read it, the one that we kind of know makes sense is in front of Solivans, right? Mhm. And then we maybe we need to review the other ones or how do we want to tackle this? I like the three. I I mean I I like them, too. I'm just I do too.

I mean, I I I think for starters, this is a I think it's the right move. Signage that you got to do. Obviously, they'll figure that out, but the more I look at this, the more they make sense, you know, and me personally, I'm not looking for it to be like downtown Noblesville where there's strict enforcement on these things. I mean, we're more bringing awareness and asking people to be courteous with this in my eyes, um, and to respect the rule. But, I mean, it will get to a point that we probably do have to enforce it.

I was going to say that too. We could put the signs up and not even attach a ordinance necessarily. Means Jeff can't really chief can't really do a lot but now we have to. You put it on record.

Can you dump that from the video feed? Um, but we could try it and see if people respect it and then we could come back and pass an ordinance if we feel like we need to. Everybody good with that? Yes, I'm good. All right. Uh, do we need to vote on that? So, what are we doing? Are we putting signs in these three locations? Is that what we're doing essentially? Yeah. I mean, so we know the three spots we're want to put it. Yep. You can work on an ordinance at your convenience area. Okay. Yeah. What I would I would suggest is let me come back with an ordinance and adopt it that way.

Okay. And then the chief can go out and get the sign or Terry can get the signs and stuff. Okay. So, we'll adopt the ordinance at future meeting. Yeah. But we have our plan to work from tonight. Yeah. And I can probably do one ordinance that will address this as well as the the tonnage for the the streets because they're both will go into the same section of the traffic code dealing with parking and and speed limits and weight limits and all that stuff. Okay. All right. Sounds good. All right. Moving along. Miscellaneous. I have nothing. Mr. Strong has Oh, wait. You already had your opportunity. Go ahead, Dan. We'll let slide.

Needed clarification. So, the board briefly talked about the 15 minutes or potentially longer. So, you want to do the 15 minutes or you think a longer time frame? I I personally would like to see at least 20. That's me.

Five minutes doesn't matter. It could. We're not. I mean, that's three more coffees to get rid of already. I guess I'm disagreeing with your 20. Five minutes doesn't make a difference. As long as you're agreeing with me that I'm

fine with 20. I'm good with 20. Thank you. Thank you. No, that got strapped for Oh, sorry. I put that down at the bottom of the page. All right. Uh Frank, we're going to need you on this one. Well, I think it's even a bigger discussion. Well, that's why Go ahead. You can start.

No, what we're talking about essentially is we're not necessarily targeting Frontier here, but we've got a situation where we've got multiple utilities running lines and they're each putting their own boxes in and most recently the boxes are pretty large. I mean, at what point do we put our foot down? Why can't they use the same junction box? Well, it's pretty Um, Brian, come up here so people online can hear you.

I can show you some pictures if you'd like. Also, bud in a discussion with the previous council, my previous leaison when we had we not had that problem with the previous contractor, we probably would need to be here just for the record now that it's actually on record. Um, so what the previous council member and I had discussed was if there is more than one high-speed internet utility provider that that could potentially be good for the public because there would be some competition and could keep prices down if you only got one option that's, you know, pretty much the only game in town. You pay what they want. So that was the beginning of that discussion. Um, and this came because another company that we did not approve, um, wanted to put in the same type of system around town. Um, you guys may remember that we, uh, put together this ordinance kind of in a hurry. Dan was a huge help on that. Uh, Aaron also helped quite a bit. Um, and, uh, we got this ordinance up and running. So, at least we have some means to regulate. Previous to this, we had no authority, as I understand it, to stop them at all, uh, or even regulate at all. So, this was definitely a step in the right direction. Um, what other kind of specifics would you like?

Well, no. So, the so the issue is theoretically you could have these boxes all on the curb. I mean, that's where we're headed now, correct? So, and and this company that's out in Mors Landing now, they're putting in pretty large boxes. So, why why not reuse? I know they didn't cover the cost of the previous, but I think we need to think about instead of adding another box for whatever comes in next that we need to be able to reuse something. Well, I think that's a pretty easy question to answer. Those other boxes are not their property. That's another utility provider.

We need to figure out how to order it in our ordinance so that we don't line the curves with boxes. We have three more companies come in and try to do this. It's literally going to be plastic boxes down the whole street. Yeah, correct. Uh from what I understand though, the vast majority of these boxes are flush mouth. Um I mean grass doesn't grow on them, right? Yeah,

they are. If you drive down through there, some of them are under the ground level, some of them are over the ground level. There's a bunch of old ones. We do have a provision in the uh ordinance itself if um the utility that they're replacing or upgrading. They're supposed to remove the old equipment. Um they have done that in a great number of locations around town. There are still however a bunch of uh customers still on old landline phone lines which is Frontier Communications. They call it copper system. So they used to run their internet through those phone lines. The old uh what do you call that? DSL. Yeah. DSL.

And some folks still have that. So they still provide that service. Um I don't deny that it's getting crowded. Um, we weeded out a lot of these like we did with another provider by insisting on a pretty high permit price and um the uh the bond um the last company really pushed back on the bond and we just stuck to our guns and uh they ended up pulling out.

So Erin, I guess the question might be for you. How do we tweak the ordinance to be able to leverage you don't have to answer but to leverage existing boxes? And I understand it's not their property, but we need to figure this out because I don't want neighborhoods being lined, the the curbs being lined with boxes. Yeah. The the difficult thing we face is, you know, back in the days when everyone had a telephone line because they essentially granted monopolies to areas. There was only one provider where the internet is kind of the wild west. Anyone can run a line. And if there's an easement there that's designated for utilities, they're they have a right to put a line in there. Um, I don't know to what extent

that's I don't know what extent we can I'll have to look into. I don't know what extent we can try to force them into sharing boxes or or things like that. I don't even know if necessarily provider A and provider B's technology would mesh enough that they could share one hub or how that works. But I can certainly look into it. that I can also see because I can't imagine we're the only community facing this particular problem. Yeah, please. Yeah. Do we do we think there's abandoned boxes around? I'm just I'm just talking about I know. I'm just curious if if that's even a thing. Usually they pull that out because they can reuse that elsewhere.

Any thoughts? They, like I said, we do have a provision in there about removing the old equipment, but that has to be their equipment. Obviously, it has to be their equipment, but I can personally say that, yeah, there are several uh abandoned, what do they call those things? I call them towers. Yeah. Oh, the the old phone boxes. Pedestals. Pedestals. That's the word I was looking for. I mean, I know it's a separate issue, but if that stuff's sitting around our town abandoned, I' i'd love to see whoever owns it be required to come remove it. I don't know if we can make that happen. I can certainly look into that. My assumption is they take them out of service and they just let them sit there and rot.

If we can get rid of them, that's just one less thing cluttering up the easements. You know, one thing I just wanted to bring to the council's attention is if anywhere that has overhead service would be kind of exempt from this because there are no boxes installed um the same way when the service is overhead. Those are all cables run directly to the house overhead. So, we'd be effectively doing it in one section of town and not doing it in another section of town, which I think would kind of be a concern to Erin's point. We need to come up with something that's getting out of hand

and we can't be the only people that I agree. Right. Yeah. We got them all up and down my street, too. They're going in right now.

So, that Yes. Thanks for Thank you. All right. Now we're done with new business. Uh nothing under miscellaneous. What now? We need to schedule an executive session. We already did. We need to schedule another executive session for potential land utilities. Um, how quickly and how long do you want to set aside? I mean, is that can we do two?

You want a full hour for that? So, we'll need an hour. I would say an hour.

When? Uh, I mean, we already our next meeting is the 21st, right? That's not going to work. You need it before then, Terry. We cancelled our staff meeting. You guys, why did we cancel our staff meeting? Nothing. Well, because it was already rescheduled for the Tuesday because the building's being used on the Thursday. So, why don't we just push it out and do it before the first meeting in in uh May. Does that work for you? Too long. No, it's fine. Whatever you guys got plans.

All right, that works. Five at five at 6 o'clock. Six o'clock. Yeah, that's election day. Wait, hold on. Yeah, it's election day. Yeah, that's election day. We don't even have a meeting that day. So, our meeting will be on the 6th. The Wednesday. So, can everybody do it Wednesday to 6? See, we're off the hook for Cinco de Mayo. We'll be voting. It'll be 56 at 6:00. 56 at 6:00. Thank you guys. Does that happen soon enough? Yes.

All right. Moving along. Comments by citizens. I have no blue slips. Oh, they're yellow. Oh, they're yellow now. I have no yellow slips. I was You're good. That'd be Mr. Strong's fault. Yep. Come on, Dano. But his shirt's blue. It is. It is. All right. Yep. Just state your name and address. Christine Bianke, and I'm speaking today about 990 Main Street. Um, I've had several people drive into the driveway. I was wondering if um there were any way that uh we could have signs with arrows like private driveway or something like that. I don't know.

Property. Is it a long driveway I assume or Brenton? It's at the stop sign right here on Brenton and Stringtown Main Street. I live at 519 Shore Lane and I have and I own 990 Main Street. Gotcha. And when I was on vacation, these kids came down my driveway and turned around. So, they just uh was wondering if uh right there if the town or somebody or if I could put up a sign bigger than a foot. Excuse me. Just a second. So, they're coming down. They're just

goes Yes. going straight into Velma's old driveway. And that's not Morgan. Hold on a sec. 990 Main Street. Share it if you want. Yeah, go ahead. If you don't mind, I've got Macy advertisements popping up left and right and I can't get There we go. Oh, I haven't. This is the park. Oh, runs into String Town. Oh, I know exactly where you're right right here at this intersection. It's the White House, right? Yes. So, this is String Town. Fresh Stone. It's right at the intersection.

What about just like a private drive sign? Something said I think she just wants it to be bigger. They go and turn around or what? Oh, no. They just drove straight. I had Greg like cut out some of the mud so we could put the rock down so that I uh had more um parking spaces cuz I try not to park in my driveway because no one lets me out and I kind of have to like just go, you know. But um so I was wondering do I sub do I do it or am I asking I

what are you wanting the sign to say? I want the sign to say a private driveway. Um, or you know how you have the arrows on certain things where you can't go straight. You got to go either up main or downstream town. And if there could be because I can't put something on the rightway. I can't it it can't be bigger than a square foot. I don't know what to buy. I don't know how to stop people from coming in my driveway that um do not have permission. It looks like a four-way stop there. Exactly. Are people driving in there and real then realizing it's not a road and then just backing out or what are they doing?

Um that and then they drove in slow and did a drive out. Well, I'm just saying I wasn't there. I saw him on camera. I'm like, who's in my driveway right now? I'm in I was in another state. So, so that's the one thing. So, I don't know if I'm I'm I'm asking the council if there could be something put there either by the town or by myself and then I would need help trying to figure out how to get a sign and where to put it because I need direction on a gate. What about a gate? Uh

I I don't see how you're going to put a big sign in the middle of your driveway and you not back over time. No, I don't. It doesn't have to be in the middle of the driveway. I mean, there's a utility pole right next to it that it could go on.

I mean, could I put a big sign in the center of my grass? I have to ask permission. So, that's today's job. I mean, it never should have been allow designed to have your driveway come out to a a three-way stop, right? Like, that just never should have wasn't here. No, I know. That's what I'm saying. I mean, it's it's not we can't change it now, but um that's that's the problem is that it's your driveway comes out to the three-way stop, which we can't change, obviously. So, would you like to try a sign?

Yeah. I just I don't know what to put up. I don't know who can help me. you know, if you guys you do signs all over town. So, um, and no, I wasn't asking for it to be in the center of my driveway. Just somewhere that it was reflective that drive that helps people realize you have. Yeah, understand. That's all. And then, um, the next subject is about those boxes with the internet. Um, okay. Let's let's talk let's decide about your sign first. Can we do Is that right? Yeah. Yes. I know you're looking for some direction there.

I just if if I put something up, you know, I know it's has I appreciate you asking before you just putting a big sign up without permission. So, I appreciate that. Well, I've made contact with Frank's um assistant and she gave me um a group of uh residential things I can and can't do. And you know, but I wanted to bring it up to the council to see if I can get some guidance or help. And I mean to me just a a small street sign that says private drive to the I guess that would be the south. Do you know those arrows that are reflective?

Mhm. That you put it at three. Well, yeah. Well, if you if it's a T, there's some sign of there's a sign that has arrows that are reflective. appropriate for the town sign to just be directional rather than say private drive. Yeah, I mean I'll accept that if that's acceptable. I don't know. Just something. It doesn't have to be ginormous. Just something. Terry, do we have any private property signs running around? No through

if they exist. paper were probably put up by a homeowner, not by us. I don't know of any that we've definitely not been put up since I Yeah. And I I don't stop those. I don't Do we have a stop sign? Can I make one? We have all kinds. We stop sign, but we have a stop sign. Can we just add a like a 32.99 on Amazon? It just says stop private driveway. It fits the aesthetic since there's already Oh my goodness. That's I'm so glad you did that. I didn't even think of that. Joe, how big is it?

Uh, do not understand mistake. 36 in tall, 12 x 12 reflective aluminum. 12 by 12. That's inches. Inches. That's perfect because you said what's what's one square foot? It's 12 by 12. Exactly. Okay. And that's a two pack. Yeah. It's only $18.99 for one. But the sign itself is 36 in tall. So it's not a square foot. No. No. 36 in. The stick. Yeah. Your post and everything. Oh, it's a little It's a ground.

That's 12 x 12. Yeah. So it's not going to stick up the same height as the other stop signs. Gota. So Frank, if she were to buy those, can she put one since it's comes in a two pack, one on each side of her drive? If it's on my property, if it's on two separate properties, I think we could do that. Um, we could use theformational sign clause, which is exempt. They can only be one square foot maximum. Um, I I do think we could. There's one on either side, one on I90 and one on your place. I think we So your property is adjacent.

Is that what you're saying? Yeah. I didn't realize you were on first. Oh, I see. 59. Yeah, I see. Okay. Yeah. So, it somewhere right there and then somewhere on the grass. Well, something we do have to count for is run through the boxes. I'm telling you, I got them all over. And you know what's the worst part? Try mowing with the screws they don't put back in the lids. Yeah, I believe that. I've got one in my front yard, too. I guess technically it's in Dennis's front yard. Well, we share it.

We share it. I mean, I prefer not to see signs where we don't need them. If you would if you My opinion would be if you could try one of those signs or something similar and see if that stops people. Yeah. I don't have to buy the two pack. You can buy whatever you want. I just Okay. You just want the permission to be able to I want permission from the council, too. Yeah. And honestly, that's that's not really even our decision. That's more of a Frank thing, isn't it? Well, yeah. I didn't talk to him. I only got the paperwork, but then um they always ask you permission. I always thought I had to ask. This would be a variance, I guess, in a way. No, he's saying it fits. He's saying it fits.

Oh, it fits within ordinance. So, okay. Oh, okay. That's Go ahead. Okay. It's got to be on It's not on the It's on my It'll be on the grass. It cannot be in the right way or correct. How deep is that easement? Um that's not the side it'll be on. There is an ement through there, but we can figure that out. Oh, the sewer. So Frank, I think though, I mean, as you go look at those easements, the intent would be to push it as far toward the road as possible, right? To to make sure people can see it. See it for sure. Yeah. Okay. Yes. So you you know the Are you good with working that?

Anybody can drive by and say, "I put it in the wrong spot and I'll move it." I be happy to help out. Thank you. Thank you. That's all I'm asking. All right. Thank you for Thank you for talking to us about that. Thank you. And and then those boxes. Yeah, there's a problem with that because I have to deal with um you know mowing and those there are screws that are this thick. And then um the trucks we talked about uh I don't know if it was uh the commercial trucks. I get them all the time. They're coming up going to the main street. Oh, okay.

Okay. and I get I know all the names. Um, which is it doesn't matter because everybody's doing it. It's just like they have their the truck drivers have their own little map. They have it's their bread and butter. And then um I have a I've spoke to the chief of police about the vehicles that are um disobeying this uh family community. Um they are uh speeding excessively and there's no ordinance signs and I was wondering if we can put the noise ordinance because they do it all the time. You're Oh, you're talking about the actual sound of the the cars

the exhaust

backfiring like they it's 30 miles an hour in front of my houses and a stop sign. So in their minds, they see the 30 m an hour. They think they got to go 30 miles from, you know, the stop sign to the sign. And um this is where people are crossing to go to the parks with their dogs, with their kids, you know, on bikes, on scooters, on everything. And I was wondering if it's possible to that block and that block where the uh park is if it could be uh toned down to a 20 miles to the stop sign for safety and um um that is a big issue right now. Um uh the the noise ordinance is could we have signs put up for these young kids that are driving around our city popping their um backfire in their cars intentional especially because I'm complaining about them and then they come back later and they keep doing it. I have them on camera. Um, my phone because I'm always outside. Is there any noise ordinance in this town?

There's noise signs. I don't know about signage. Okay. I don't know that signs are going to help.

Well, if it's posted and you could quote it that you what you're doing is you have a sign about a go-kart needing a license. Why do they need that? That's common sense that if you're driving on the street, you have to have a license. So, they have a sign for driving a go-kart with an ID, but they don't have a noise ordinance for these young kids that are just uh racing. I I got brand new skid marks on the stop sign um from yesterday. Somebody did that long skid marks. Um, so I'm just like, we we got to do something. I'm tired. It hurts me because I feel the perc, you know, noise. You can feel noise.

Yes. With that high pitch p. Well, we deal with it more landing even. I mean, it's But let's take care of it. Let's get these kids educated that they don't disrespect where they live or um they're going to be fined, make money for the town, but they'll stop doing um disrespectful um behavior. I mean, really, it comes down to a matter of enforcement. Yes. Chief, have you has this been brought up to you? Yeah. Yeah.

Um of course, she's got video. pulled over and had conversations with him. Uh that car is supposed to be the white one. Sometime some switch in it that he could make it go away. And so the Tom said he got a warning. He get the understanding that he wasn't going to do it again. But what the next day or two days later? That night and the next day he he by himself back and forth into the the uh where you work. He come from where the black basketball courts are at Terry's place where they parked there north.

He's been doing it. The Mustang was here two days doing quite a bit or maybe three two different Mustangs or something like that. I think our guys have pulled over each one and tried to have conversation with them educated and gave them a warning. Do they always listen? Absolutely not. But uh we are doing some enforcement. This is catching on the act. It's kind of hard to go and go, "Hey, 10 minutes ago you were doing this." They go, "No, I wasn't. You don't have anything to back it up." But they have to a couple times. Okay. Except the officer. I don't dictate. When you stop a car and you ride a war, you write a ticket.

Right. I understand what you're saying. I've been wearing those shoes. Okay. Thank you. And then you got Can I make a comment on your construction people over there that are doing that water? Remember you were s I was listening to your conversation about how the trucks are sitting and not being used. How come you have to pay for that? Part of the contract. Oh, cuz I would say if you're not using it, take it back so you don't have to get charged. It's not how it works. Not how it works, unfortunately. Oh, I'm sorry. Anyways, I'd like to thank you for listening and um uh thank you. Thank you.

Thank you. Anybody else have anything? If not, I will entertain a motion to adjurnn. So move. Dennis Johnson. Motion to second. All in favor? I opposed. Thank you'all.