Council - Regular Meeting

9:00. Uh, the Cisco town council meeting is now in session. Miss Gary, if you please take Dennis Johnson, present. We have a quorum with all members present. So, just to be clear, this is a retreat with streets and utilities. Thank you. have their mics on. Yes.

All right. So, getting started on the retreat. Terry.

All right. Council, I do have some talking points u that I handed out. Matter of fact, quite a few handouts. So basically I was just wanting to give an overview of the personnel and what's been going on since the council um gave you know uh an increased pay for our certified operators. We were the council wanted to try to get the employees to um want to you know step out and take the responsibility to be certified operators from water and wastewater. So I was just given an a countdown that we have five employees now with water certifications. We have four employees with wastewater certifications. We have six employees with the state pesticide applicator license and one employee with a state registered pesticide license. Now the pesticide license as noted below that is for Cisrose mosquito control. So, they're actually licensed, it's through Purdue, uh they're actually licensed to know how to mix, know how to spray. And another note, our equipment is certified every year. So, there's a company that comes in so that the the atomizer part of it, the molecules are exactly right, the hang time is right. It's not a just a swing in the dark like probably Facebook thinks, but it it is certified every year. And like I said, we the people that are doing this are certified licensed pesticide applicators. [snorts] Uh also I wanted to just to touch on I know some of you are new to the council that I had discussed about an additional utility employee as the the sewage plant is doubling in size and uh will probably be doing some upgrades to the water system that you know I foresee that

we'll need to have an additional water plant or water uh operator or person toward the end of u us building the new water plant. Of course, the wastewater plant's going to be online real soon. So uh basically I just to let you know I'll Ronda and I when we work on the 27 budget that'll be in the budget maybe for you know for 2027 but for your review basically

we don't necessarily need to hire in the near future. No, I I would I would suspect that we probably as we get into 2027, we probably will. My hope is that we will be in construction for the water department and so kind of bring them on during 2027. So, I thought it would put the numbers in the budget knowing that okay, it might not be utilized in 2027, but this is kind of what we're looking at. Just kind of get get it on you guys' radar screen. great job with pushing the certification added certification. So,

thank you. It's all the council. I mean, many times they've come up and told me, "Hey, you know what? 40% 40 cents an hour me taking responsibility because now when they come in and run the plant, they can't say, "Hey, I'm not a certified operator. I'm just an employee." Now, it's like the state says, "Hey, wait a minute. You're certified. You should have known better." So, it is a responsibility. Mentally, it's a responsib Yes, they they very much appreciate um being rewarded for doing the extra step and it's helping Cisero out by now we've got several certified operators. Good job. Thank you. And pushing us to

Well, on top of all that, just to put it on the record, your whole team over this last two weeks been fantastic. Make sure they know that. Yeah. Very much appreciated.

Thank you. And then I I just wanted to introduce you again to the management team. So you know I have Sean Wilson who is the senior superintendent. He has 23 years of experience with the town of Cicero. You have Matt Dodson. He's your wastewater superintendent. He has 23 years with the town of Cicero. You have Donald Bennett who is DJ. He's your water superintendent with 20 years of experience with Cicero. And then Shannon Fiddler is your town foreman with 12 years of experience. I just kind of wanted to reintroduce you guys to your management team. Next page, it's uh street department uh your CCMG projects. We're we're finishing up the 2025 West Jackson Street and compiling a punch list. Um, so I have talked with Keith and soon as this weather breaks, we're going to do a walk through and actually double check and make sure we got everything down for that. Uh, as you know, we're opening the bids for East East East Jackson next Tuesday and uh, so kind of in talking about what our next U CCMG projects, you know, the 2027 say, you know, I I would suggest we finish the West Jackson Street from Pearl to the Bridge. I mean, I I understand there's a lot of moving park because of the intersection. Uh but that is one of my suggestions that to finish this major corridor from Tollgate through town. That's one that's really catching a lot of traffic because of 31 being open now. um you know so and that's what I said for 27 2028 continue this bridge to tollgate and what I what I've done now if you'll look u Eric

wanted me to present this to the council this is our pacer uh grading scale and then the other sheet is how you come up with those numbers now we have a manual that actually has pictures because we I do better with pictures that shows you exactly how to come up with a a grade five or a grade seven. And one of the things I I do want to bring to your attention, and I'm just pulling these numbers out. Say a a grade four in a local street is not the same as a grade four on a major collector. And the reason is is traffic count. your your local streets are not going to get the traffic of a a major collector. So, you know, you're probably getting 50 times the traffic on u Jackson Street than you would say on a Britain street or so or even in subdivisions. You got to realize that a grade four in a subdivision is not going to catch the same traffic as a grade four on a worst street. I'm just throwing those numbers out, not looking at the actual grades, but that's something to kind of keep in mind. It's traffic count. Um, just in a nutshell, um, your pavement acts like a paper clip. Every road, every time somebody drives it, you're bending the paper clip. So, it's a traffic cycle that starts breaking down the pavement. So,

and on this sheet here, there's nothing that refers to the traffic. No. Okay. you you know you kind of just know that okay that's uh Morris Landing Drive from this section to that section and you can kind of visualize that it's not going to get the traffic that a Pearl Street's going to get or um you know one of your other roads definitely not going to get the traffic that you know Jackson Street gets but u they still are all graded the same but the deterioration of a four in Morse Landing is not going to go to a three as quick as a for in the other parts of town. That's that's just kind of what I was, you know, kind of pointing out.

But opportunities part of that.

Yes, that's a great point, Dan, because Dan does the getting the grants part of it. And so, uh, you get better chance to pick up grants and they actually want to see those grants what in the four to five range of grading. In other words, they're not going to grade you as good if you're trying to repave a seven or eight. Um, and and another thing I'll bring up is that, and I don't know if it's put in here, is that a brand new road for the first year is a 10. So, if you see it go to a nine, that's that's what you're supposed to do. So, a brand new road is only a 10 for one year, then it goes to a nine. Now, it might lay there at that nine for several years, but that's kind of how kind of read the grading at 10. Well, it probably says in the 10, the nines, the eights. That's a new road. And so, basically what you're doing is what we do is crack seal.

Are you the one who gives these ratings or your guy your team or who does these? Uh Sean has been doing that for the last two years. I I started it out when I first started here. And then Sean I that's that's his baby rock now. So yeah, we uh these are all dated that they were rated last year. Do you guys do that every year? Yes. Okay, that is every year. So uh usually u Septemberish of this year, we'll grade them again. Usually you see the biggest change in a road after a winter cycle. The requirement is every two years, right?

Well, yes. And Yeah. Yes. But uh if you want to a CCMG grant, you have to do it every year. Okay? So, that's only a caveat. You can do it every other year, but then you're not grant eligible until you do it. So, so we just do it every year because that that way we have a chance if we want to get a cross community across the land. So, thank you for providing You're welcome. I do have one problem to the council something. I've been seeing a lot more traffic coming through.

I know that there are some communities that [clears throat] you have to go around, you know, they put a federal fair out by vets. Um, just something on the back of your minds to beautify downtown and to make it walkable and there are semis that are coming through more frequently than I've seen. I have noticed that traffic's backing up in the afternoon way back here. I [clears throat] think we're going to have to have a conversation about some kind of turn lane, whether it be an alternate cutting. Oh yeah. Yeah. I mean it was backed up past Grooming Dales the other day when I was coming out.

So that's I mean that's a different discussion we have to have other than semis but I think we discuss if we stop semis coming through town how does that get registered local or is it a local ordinance that our police you have to put sign I'm saying what I think I know and I'm not an attorney but I know you can You can put signs up and I believe is if it's an ordinance your police officers can enforce it. Do we have to provide an alternative route? I don't know the answer to that. I mean over 28 that bypass they just did

and I don't we can't do anything with a state but street I'm not even sure where they're going because I am seeing a lot of them but I'm not and not understanding where exactly they're they're headed around. So, that is if they're loaded that dump truck is definitely an issue on our roads. Yeah, I see a lot of dump trucks and they're all overloaded, too. A rule of thumb is if they're above the metal part of the bed, that's where they're designed to be their load. So, if they've got a side on top of the sideboard, that's how much overload they are. I think he

there's got to be some way for a truck driver because they put in GPS and they take their designation. Yeah. And there's got to be something that can say for instance Keystone Parkway in Caramel. 18 willers aren't allowed on that road. Sometimes they do it. I just followed one the other day. But sometimes [clears throat] you'll see cops have them pulled over because they're going to get a ticket because they're instructed to go down Meridian. Sure. It's just I don't want to take away from this. I just want you guys to I think we should have a conversation. It's valid. Definitely valid.

The next thing I want to um talk about is the rage salt. I know I I don't do Facebook, but I hear from Facebook that everybody's got a solution on Facebook of why we shouldn't be out of salt. So, I I just kind of wanted to to let you know that the town Cicero is in a purchase agreement contract with Cargill Road Salt Division. Cisrose in a co-op with Hamilton County and nine other uh Hamilton County towns and cities. Our salt barn was filled on April of 2025 and it was over 120 tons. It was filled because we couldn't get another piece in it. And that's to assure that when you know we would not have any interruptions at the start of the winter 2025 salting operations. We have been unable to receive additional deliveries running only on what we had on hand due to a regional salt shortage. I have tried to secure other supplies of salt and thought I had found salt at Burns Harbor, Indiana, which was about a six-hour round trip that this did not happen. I uh I I was actually talking with U Prader, Josh Prader. He had two uh triacles. He already told me how much he would charge to go and pick that salt up. And then when I tried to actually secure it and make sure it was there when he got there, they didn't have salt. Um, and then I another lead

actually made the trip and they didn't. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Before he went, I was going to be assured that the salt would be there when he got there and they couldn't assure me that it would be when he got there. So, no, we called we he did not go. Then I heard that there was some in Kansas, but that that's not feasible. So um and then an update uh since well on the 27th we did receive 40 tons. So we have how many?

So we pro we got two uh triacal loads the 27th and using it wisely. That'll probably get us through unless we have some sort of a huge ice storm. We've probably got enough to limp through the rest of this season if it's a normal season. Are you still going to try to secure more? Yes. Uh matter of fact, we're still under contract. They they they've got a contract for 120 more turns.

But if they don't have it, I can't get it. So, uh I will fill that barn as we have every year since we built a barn. We've only had that barn for about three years, and man is that a godsend. So, we fill that every summer or spring, Aprilish before the new contract. So, just out of curiosity, what's causing the shortage? Uh, I've heard uh that there are mining problems and then they also said it was compounded by the extreme weather we've had and so they've pulled salt out of our region because we wasn't getting it and now we are getting it. So, it's kind of like several different things that they're said that's causing the supply chain problems.

We're all in, you know, in our co-op. That's Caramel. That's Noblesville, Hamilton County. Uh we're not the lone rangers and and I've been talking and the only the only reason why you're seeing the state still salting at the high levels are is they've got multiple salt barns that was full all over the state. So they're they're sort of been able to pull out of different areas. We until just a few years ago, we had a little lean to that we throwed about probably 20 tons in. So, I mean, thank God, you know, the council uh built they, you know, allowed me to build that salt barn that where we we we're going into season at least 120 tons.

So, I think that's the key take. He fills it up in early spring. We have 120 tons. Then we have an order for another 120 tons during the season and they've only delivered 40 tons, right? So, there is still 80 tons out of of what they have committed. when he signed the contract to us, right? And we did take we got snow, significant snow a little earlier.

Uh the street department, the new duck truck insult spreader, uh the truck chassis is in. It's setting in Indianapolis and we're waiting on delivery of the plow and so box parts to complete the truck build. The builder hopes to have everything finished in March and this will be a great addition to it. will have two big trucks in to go out and sold. Uh the the other thing I wanted to bring up is that the council had discussed uh being the bank on this purchase and the street department would make annual payments with interest to the town and Rhonda has received new quotes. So here is Whoops. Here is uh the new quote that Rhonda received as far as the interest rate uh and the payment that um the bonds the government leasing and finance company to give you an ideal of you know what the interest rate is and our payment of uh $56,000. So

So Rhonda, that's higher than the interest rate we're getting currently, isn't it? It's No, not really. What do you mean? on our cash investing. It is certainly

okay. So, so Terry and I talked about this. I think it would make sense. So, if you remember that's a separate entity that's not part of the general budget. [snorts] He has his own budget that has his own revenue sources. So instead of Terry and I spoke and I think we talked about this some other time instead of paying an outside company we should cover them cover this money to this department at this interest rate or whatever is determined and it's beneficial to both. So, one other thing I wanted to bring up is that uh we order, excuse me, we ordered this truck last year and I had a payment in the budget for last year and I encumbered that. So, there is a $56,000 down payment or however the council wants to do that, but I do have like for this year I could either make a double payment uh or I could pay down the $246,000 by $56,000. So, uh there is that option. Um if

they don't like to do we because we did that when stormwater gave the exact they prefer to they said we don't do business this way. So basically what we would do then is if we go with government leasing or with the town of Cicero we would that $246,000 would be less the $56,000 I have set back for last year's payment. You see what I'm saying? We ordered it last year but it was in the budget. So the the town will gladly accept your addition. There you go. B US Bank Corp. Not so much. Okay. I just wanted the council to know I do have two payments right now. True.

I don't know how. So however with this needs this year before we make the decision. So So to me, I I think the town should And then we just have to agree on an interest rate. 20% sounds pretty good. [laughter] And that's that's fine with the street department because you guys fund me anyway. [laughter] Uh Terry, are we taking a truck out of rotation or

No. So uh because the truck we have is 20 23 four years old. What we're going to do, and it's going to be really great, we will have a dump truck during the winter. So, what we do now, we have to uh like we had that big water leak uh just right in front of Christmas. We had to have a dump truck to carry spoils off, carry sand and gravel back, and that keeps us from having to break down the salt spreading bed, take the all, you know, break it down. So, because the trucks, it's worth a lot to us, but not as a trade in. We're going to leave that as a dump truck. But in case of an emergency, if we see another snowageddon coming up, we still have this stainless steel salt bed we can put in it and the plow put on it. It's just so old. It's got a tendency if you're out plowing stuff, things quit. So, but now we'll have two full trucks that we will have ready to plow, ready to salt, but then also a dump truck.

Do you want me to wait till this gets closer to delivery to add it to the agenda or go ahead and add it to the agenda for approval? So when it comes and do I'll do some research on that. We need to have Aaron draw some paperwork up between his department. I'll talk to Aaron about legally what he needs to do and what we need to do.

We done this once before a long time ago and we did have to have a a payment agreement for state board of accounts. I mean, Aaron can definitely tell you how to do it, but we done a backhoe this way and that's what we had to do. It was spelled out x five years at x% but yeah, that's a great idea. I agree. I agree.

So, I I thought I'd also bring up uh the truck that was involved in the crash during the last snow event. Uh we received the parts and repaired the items damaged in the crash. The truck and plow system performed flawlessly during the last snow. I have been in contact uh with the gentleman's insurance which is progressive and I have invoiced progressive insurance for the parts and labor to repair the damage in the amount of $4,145. And I did this is what I invoiced them and I gave you guys a copy of that. Uh, actually the truck uh done real well against that little car. So it [laughter]

So our driver of the truck, did he go get checked out or anything? Does he have any medical? No, he I don't want to get into his medical, but I guess we need to make sure that everything is good with him so that their insurance covers. So I I don't know the particulars of what, but I do know Progressives have reached out to him and he has signed paperwork with them. Okay. Okay. So there has been communication between Progressive, the gentleman's insurance, and the driver. Okay. Perfect. Yeah. Yeah. I don't want to know anything. I just want to make sure that he's covered. Yep. Okay. Thank you. Uh Storm Water.

Hey Terry, progress has been good. You expect they'll pay this invoice promptly? Uh, that's what they're saying. I emailed them uh this into them yesterday and copied Rhonda and they're they're happy. Okay, good. You can tell they was very happy [laughter] that they hit a quarter of a million dollar truck and only done $4,100 worth of damage. They were proud. So, [laughter] get it repaired anywhere else?

No. And the reason why we repaired it is because uh we called the the truck builder and he said, "Man, we're six weeks out if we can even get you in there." just to look at it. So, the the truck builder did show up the very next morning. Uh we went over the damage we seen and uh he concurred that and he kind of told us, okay, and that's the reason why I was glad that we had a snow event before I sent this in.

So, because he said this is, you know, what to look for. Uh we looked at the frame. We got underneath it and there's pinch points in the frame. He said that they're f it's fine. So, in other words, he knew where to look that it flex that frame that it would have shown not only on the plow system but on the truck itself and he couldn't find any other damage than what we had but until it had its first good plow underneath its belt you know then I was confident enough to send it the bill into but that's the reason why we did it but I charged shop great hours good

uh storm water department uh the mors landing drive under drive under drain system replacement from 300 to 670 Morse landing drive will be the installation of a new semi- rigid perforated drainage system with stone backfill. Existing sump pumps and other encountered drainage connections will be reconnected to the new piping. Curbs will be replaced. Pavement and driveway restorations will be included as needed. The project was needed to reduce water draining to the roadway causing pavement deterioration and icing during cold weather. The bid opening was Monday, January the 26th, 2026. We received nine bids with the low base bid from SLB Pipe Solution in the amount of $282,375 and the mandatory alternate bid of 117,345. And I did uh give you guys a copy of the bid tabulation sheet if you wanted to review that. Uh just to give you a breakdown is that uh the main lo the base bid was there's two sections. So between 300 and 670 there was one section of pipe that we could get through and clean and so it was usable. It was passable. The alternate bid we broke it down in case the bids come in too high and the storm water board couldn't afford the whole stretch is the reason why we broke it down. So the alternate bid is to do in that section between the two. Uh so it's one section from 300 to 670 and not breaking in the middle where we had pipe that was it. It's probably going to fail but it's not failed yet. So that's what alternate is. It's that section between that

hasn't failed yet. So So it's deteriorating. It just hasn't exactly. And and that gave the storm water board uh an option that hey the bids come in more than we can afford. Can we break this down? And that would have just left that middle section of $17,000 that we'd have to come back and do later. They they voted this week. No. So right now this is under advisement to Aaron and Keith. Okay. So to do the entire section you got to add the two numbers together. Exactly. Yeah. Add the two numbers together and that's the total project. So we do nothing. That's a storm.

So then is this public information? Yes. I've had contractors already call one of the contractor wanted to copy this. Oh, so you did send it. Yes. So I've matter of fact it was I can tell you who it was. Directional boring professionals LLC has already asked for a copy paving I believe. Yeah. Okay. So

uh the next thing we'll touch on is wastewater department. We are still on track for substantial completion in April or May of 2026. work is continuing. We've been doing startups u on the sludge press system, all the automatic systems, the ska system. U the other thing I want to touch on is that unseen damage to the original oxidation ditch. It was less than expected, but there still will be a change order because uh the additional expense was in the bot contract as an unknown since we couldn't assess the damage until taking the tank out service and draining. So, it hadn't been drained for u 35 years, of course, because we only had one treatment tank. Well, now we're going to have two. So, from now on, we can have maintenance on this tank. We don't wait 35 years and and drain it and dig out 4 foot of grit out the bottom of it. So, but uh the

how deep is the tank? It's probably Oh, I'd have to look on 20 ft. So, you 20% wasn't even being utilized. Exactly. Which is cutting our capacity. Yeah. It So, it Yeah. There's just no way to to tell there's that much. Oh yeah. It just dawned on me. 20% of that tank is was not able to do what it was intended. Exactly. And that's volume. So in other words, uh when you start, we call it blowing a plan out. You start blowing it out 25% quicker than what the design flow is because you've lost 25%. So the change order is really just moving into a descriptive line.

Exactly. We [clears throat] don't know the numbers. We we we don't know the numbers yet of that. Uh, but we was all right with the grit removal. I had we had money set aside for cleaning the tanks and thankfully we had enough to do that. Uh, what's going to be the additional cost is some of the tank with the concrete tank was cracked. It had big cracks and actually I got pictures. I should have brought some pictures and it's it's cracked and actually moved. One of the good things and and uh Eric and I was talking about some of the major damage was done where they already had to cut it out and put new towers in for the new rotors. So yeah, they're probably going to charge a little bit extra for that, but it's not like, hey, there's a huge crack right out there in the middle and you got to pay 100% of it. So it was kind of lucky there, but

So we'll want Keith to make sure he's paying attention to that or showing me so of it. Y [clears throat] so we have been asking for you know uh what you know you know what's what's the price what is this going to cost in our contingency money so we just haven't received that yet so wastewater department service truck uh the wastewater service truck is scheduled to be replaced in 2027 the cost will be included in the 2027 budget for council review estimated price is $30,000 Um, the reason why we can buy a brand spanking new truck for $30,000 is that number one, we trade ours in at full retail and we buy at wholesale fleet prices. So, we we don't get hit with that um depreciation like a normal person does. and two directors ago uh started uh our service trucks on five-year uh replacement and so we're actually right in their prime tradein price. You know, we're not running them to fail. You know, they're not 10y old truck [clears throat] that's got all kinds of issues. So, um that's the reason why we can trade these trucks in that cheap. Um on on paper u it's they they look like I you know but there is issues with us plowing snow with them. I know you guys know that we kept two of the trucks out of cycle and sold one to the parks department and we kept one and within 8 to 10 months the transmissions went out both of them. They they're not I mean they're great trucks and we take care of them but they get a full dose of plow and snow and so that's the reason why Jerry and Pat

the two previous um directors put it on a fiveyear so we're getting good trade and it's not like oh my god they're they're junk so we're going to pay $55,000 for a new truck you know we're just getting good trade uh the water department. I [clears throat] just wanted to touch bases like I did last time. So, if you'll look at that, that's January of this of 2025. The plant ran 483,000 gallons a day and the plant run 10 hours, 10.3 hours. And then uh last year we uh pumped the same time in parentheses is five 580,000 gallons. It's just kind of giving you an ideal. Uh so say the plant runs 10.3 hours. That means we only have 14 less than 14 hours to do all the maintenance backflow or back wash. So it's just to kind of let you know that uh when you get up into some of these others where it's running 16 hours a day that really compresses the time that we have to do what we need to do any replacements. So that being said, you don't want to see a lot of run times like that. And actually we had we've actually seen I don't know on this one but a few years we've seen 19 almost 20 hours the run times during the summer but u uh one of the things I I noticed oh and what drives that is that summertime everybody want to water their yards as you can see that historically that's when we use a lot of water and uh I I feel that's just my personal opinion I think the last one or two rate increases people decided that water wasn't so cheap that they just wanted to throw it on their yards. And I've actually kind of see seen there's a little bit of reduction during the summer months, which is great. That buys us time because I'm sure they'll they'll

get right back to watering their yards once they get used to it. So, hey, I didn't know how easier this is. Would it be possible to add another column of what we build for that same period?

Oh, yes. And you know, and we touched on that. I'm glad you brought that up. So, every year we do a water loss audit. And so, uh, the carrot to that is the state wants you to do a water loss audit. And so, they dangled the carrot that if you want an IFA loan, you have to do it every year. So, I mean, if you don't want a loan or you don't want a grant, you don't have to do it every year. But, I think mandatory every other year. So we do that every year. So and we take Ronda's u build so we know how much they build. We know how much we pump and u we we figure out a water loss. It's not that easy because you have fires, you have uh we flush fire hydrants which is part of our maintenance program. Uh we also sell water independently. So there's several factors that goes into a water loss audit and and the state gives you uh you know this is horrible and this is oh my god and you're doing great and this is you know so uh we we're falling into the great part of it. So um now we do have water loss. So water loss would be uh leaks there. I'm I know that there's valves out there that's leaking that we don't know about. I know that there's joints out there just like in a se There's joints probably leaking out there, but the only way that we can find those and if we if if and when we do get to a bad spot, there is companies that come in and it's uh they hook up uh listening devices on fire hydrants and valves and then they can by the sound, the vibration, they put it through a computer program and they can spit out, okay, you got leaks here, here, here, here, and it just be a park where you'd go out there and catch the biggest the worst one. So

I think it was in DJ when he was moved from wastewater to water, he his first report he said, "Oh my gosh, he couldn't believe the amount of water loss." So he was like a dog with a bone and he found so many areas that we could improve on and did. So he's done a fabulous job.

Yes, he he has. DJ, he really takes his work worked hard and you know, one of the things that he uh figured out is we was losing and it's expensive. That's the reason why you'll see in my budget, we we spend 50,000 plus a year on meter replacement. That's what generates your income. So, if you let an old meter lay in the ground, not only does the they tell you they need to be replaced every 10 years, that is you're losing, you know, a meter doesn't go fast. I know you see on u on Facebook and you talk to people, oh, it's got to I use a lot of water. It's because my meter's old. No, the meter's like an old truck. How many people go down the interstate, I had to ride the brake on this 550 year old truck because they wanted her to run 100 miles an hour. No, you don't run into that. The old trucks like an old meter, they they run slower. And uh so some of our water loss is coming from our big meters, which are very expensive. And so the last couple years we have been replacing and big meters are like 2 in commercial meters. Uh we've replaced and matter of fact this past year we started even replacing the 1 inch meters because we we continually upgrade the five the 58 by 3/4. So what we do we do 10% a year. We replace 10% of our residential meters a year so that every 10 years you replace them to stay in there and keep our revenue stream of us not giving away water. Uh the water department also has a [clears throat] uh is scheduled to replace one of their trucks uh in 2027. Uh this cost will be also included in the 27 budget for the council to review. The estimated cost is $30,000. So uh that's uh any question? That's pretty well what I have for the for the retreat part.

Thank you for putting this together and laying it out. Very prepared. Very nice. Well, thank you. Good job. Great job. Thank you. And if you go back and have any questions, you know, reach out to me, call me, email if you [snorts] doing a nice job. [clears throat] Well, it it's my team. I tell you what, those guys Got a good team there. You do. We do. We're in a pretty darn good group in town right now. We are. You know, morale's high.

Uh I'll go, but you know, it's I there's nothing I can say bad about the guys. I mean, they got a real good team and like like you already saying, you know, them guys, you know, we not only have to plow. So the guys is plowing all night, half the day, they have to come in. We got water We got sewage plants. So, she's got work orders. And I hated it. I mean, we just no more got home. Um, and I know I was already in bed. I go to bed when the chickens come home, but I know the other guys. So, at 5 till midnight, you know, I was already sound asleep. I know those guys are asleep. You know, the PD calls me. It's like, "Oh my god." You know, we've got a home that his basement has got sewage creeping up in it. So, I hated it. And I, you know, had to call Natt, our wastewater superintendent, and I said, "Hey, he just got a call. You know, I'm sorry." He said, "Well, yeah, I just got to sleep. I'm on my way out." You know, and that gentleman actually came to the shop [clears throat] the next day and to to thank us that the response time was so quick that nothing happened. You know, he said, "Hey, I called the PD and there's flashing lights out in front of my house within 20 minutes." Well, if you guys ever get in a shortage in a plow situation, I mean it sincerely. We can get Rhonda behind the wheel.

Oh, I'm game. [laughter] Put me back there. I like that. I suck at that. [laughter] Well, you can put on my golf cart. I'm gonna bring him with me. [laughter] We already put Dan out on the Gator. So, he's good on the gator out there. I like it. I like it. I've done that. You feel like the perfect utility hitter, my man. [laughter] Every situation. That's all I have for that. And whenever you want to go to the next stage, you can. I'll make a motion to close the retreat. Second. Motion. Second. All in favor? I opposed. Meeting adjourned. Because of entertainment, we have to