Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

I would like to call to order the January 5th, 2026 meeting of the Charleston County Board of Zoning Appeals, also known as the BZA. The board members that will hear your case tonight are as follows. To my right, Mr. Truslo, Mr. Brown, Sadal, and Neil. To my left, Mr. Nelson, Miss Smith. I have two Smiths here. And then Mr. Jordan should be arriving shortly. Staff members present tonight are Miss Clark, Mr. Hair, Miss Bashet, and Miss Working. And our attorney to my immediate right, Mr. Huji, Mr. Kevin Huji. Because the hearing tonight is a public factf finding meeting and we are in compliance of the Freedom of Information Act and South Carolina code 6-29-70. 15 days prior to a hearing an announcement [clears throat] was printed in the posting corer. A sign was posted on or near the designated design designated property and was mailed to the applicant or the applicant's representative to the parties all parties property owners within 300 ft of the property and parties of interest. Persons, organizations, and news media that have requested declaration of our meeting have also been notified. Board members, the meeting notes for December 1st, 2025 of the public hearing were sent to you. Are there any changes? If not, can I get a motion to approve and a second?

So move. All right, we got that. All those in favor, please indicate by saying I. I.

Any oppose? Good. It carries our case ruling from this and any BZA meeting are available to the public review and inspection during normal business hours at the Charleston County zoning and planning department. The board of zoning appeal is a quas judicial body that has final decision making on the following appeals of a zoning related decision. The BCA is authorized to hear and decide appeals only on zoning related matters where it is alleged that there is an error in the order requirement, decision or determination made by an administrative official in the administration or enforcement of a zoning related regulation. A 23 quorum present is required to overturn the decision of a planning director in an appeal. We also have special exceptions. A special exception is a is issued by the BZA authorizing a particular use in a particular location within the zoning district upon demonstrating that a such a use complies with the conditions and standards specified in the zoning and land development regulation ordinance also known as Zeldar. The BCA must find a special exception meet all six of the approval criteria in the ordinance in order to grant a special exception. A simple majority is required to grant a special exception. And then finally we have a variance. A variance is a relaxation made by the BZA regulation or the ordinance where such an action will not be contrary to the public interest and where owing to conditions particular to the property and to the results of an action or

situation of the applicant. A literal enforcement of this code would result in the unnecessary and undue hardship. And such a variance is consistent with section 6-29-800 of the code of South Carolina title 6 chapter 29. The BCA must find that the variance meet all seven of the approval criteria in the ordinance in order to grant a variance. A simple majority is required to grant a variance. Our purpose tonight is for interested parties to be heard in order to assist this board in gathering evidence that's pertinent to each case. If a board member of the BZA if a member of the BZA finds the need to have more information to clarify a case, the board member or the board has the authority to subpoena witnesses. It is understood that the rules of your neighborhood or subdivision are binding and we can take no action that would neglect their jurisdiction over your property. In addition to your testimony, our board has been presented written information submitted by staff by the applicant or the applicant's agent for each case. This information is now considered to be evidence and is entered into the permanent record of this body. It is assumed that this information is complete, true, and accurate. In addition, we have been presented data assembled by staff for the purpose of clarifying the location and the application's effect on surrounding properties. The board is empowered to approve, approve with conditions, or deny special exception or request. We are also authorized to defer a case should there be a need to obtain additional information.

The BCA's final decision will be mailed within 10 days of this public hearing. It will be mailed certified mail to all applicants and US mail to neighbors and community interest. If an applicant's request is approved, the applicant should contact the Charleston County Zoning and Planning Department staff to discuss the next steps in the process. A variance and a special acceptance grant this evening are valid for 12 months after this meeting and a one-year extension may be granted if construction or development has been commenced or it has been diligently pursued. However, if an applicant's request is disapproved and the applicant wishes to appeal the decision of this board concerning this case, an appeal must be addressed to the circuit court. South Carolina code 6-29-820 states that an appeal must be filed by the applicant within 30 days after the decision of this board has been mailed to them. Failure to file an appeal within this time limit deprivives this board of the jurisdiction to hear a matter because this is a quasi judicial body. Everything said in this meeting must be complete, true and accurate. All the information provided to the BZA concerning is considered evidence and the board may consider it be cert contempt of circuit court and false statements made either in writing or orally will be given the same consideration. Each person that wishes to speak and address this board will be sworn in by the BZA secretary before providing testimony or evidence. In order to expedite this process, we ask everyone who wishes to speak to this board to

please stand as a group and be sworn in by a secretary. Thank you, Miss Working. I will now call each case by case number. Staff will present facts that are pertinent to each case limited to five minutes. I would then call the applicant. The applicant will stand, state [clears throat] stand, and state his or her name and current address for the record before presenting testimony that is pertinent to each case limited to five minutes. I would then ask all those who are speaking either in support or opposition to the case and they will also follow the same procedure to identify themselves and are limited to two minutes each. The applicant will then have a chance to reply to any opposition limited to two minutes and then the BA will make a motion to close the case to the public. Finally, the BZA will make a motion concerning the application stating specific facts and findings and conclusions of law. Tonight, we we will hear five cases and our first first case will be introduced by Mr. Hair and that first case is BZA 11-25-0000917. And ladies and gentlemen, you won't see us typically look behind us at the screens behind us. We have monitors in front of us so that we don't have to break our necks to look behind us. Mr. Hair,

the applicant and property owner, Addison Matthews Andrews, request a special exception to establish a short-term rental property extended home rental at 1976 Wildwing Lane, TMS number 331 0700108 on James Island in Charleston County. The subject property and surrounding properties are located within the lowdensity uh manufactured housing subdivision MHS zoning district. According to the Charleston County records, the subject property contains a single family residence constructed in 2024. The residence includes a mother-in-law suite that is attached to the main house via a covered breezeway. Um the applicant proposes to utilize one bedroom within the mother-in-law suite for the EHR use to accommodate a maximum of four guests. And the site contains six on-site parking spaces, four in the garage, two in the driveway in compliance with the Charleston County Zoning and Land Development Regulations Ordinance, uh, Zeldar. Um, the property is owner occupied and the owner obtained a limited home rental permit in June of 2025. The, uh, limited home rental permit allows for short-term rental of the property for up to 72 days per calendar year in aggregate. Here is the uh location of the property when looking at the county as a whole. This is the uh zoning ordinance section pertaining to STRs in the MHS uh manufactured housing subdivision zoning district. The 300T radius map, the aerials. We posted the property on December 12th of 2025. Here are pictures of the subject property and its parking. The single family residence, uh, Wild Wing Lane, uh, adjacent properties,

the site plan, the tenant notice, and the plat. Regarding the three approval criteria, staff stated that it may meet criteria 1 through three. The board of zoning appeals may approve approve with conditions or deny case based on the BCA's findings of fact unless additional information is deemed necessary to make an informed decision. In the event the board decides to approve the application, the board should consider the following conditions recommended by staff. One, prior to the zoning permit approval, the applicant shall complete the STRP limited site plan review process. Two, the use shall comply with all requirements of article 6.8. Three, the property shall not be used as a short-term rental for more than 144 days in aggregate during any calendar year. And four, the property owner shall be responsible for ensuring that tenants comply with the Charleston County noise ordinance. Is there any questions? Does anyone have a question for staff? Thank you, Mr. Hair. I take it that you are the applicant.

Yes. Okay. All right. Please welcome. Please state your name and address for the record and please tell us why we should approve your application, sir.

So, my name is Anthony Andrews. I'm actually I'm the spouse of the applicant listed, Addison Matthews Andrews. I live at 1976 Wing Lane, which is the property in question. And [clears throat] um my wife and I uh guess we uh built a mother-in-law suite on our house. We just were able to build the house and finish it this year uh this past year. and we built a mother-in-law suite in the hopes of being able to rent it to make extra money and support our family. And um so we were hoping to get it approved for more nights so we can rent for more nights and make more money. Um the reason I think it is it works in our neighborhood. Our neighborhood is has lots of um I believe they're extended rentals. I know at least a few people that have been approved for extended short-term rental in the neighborhood. Um it doesn't materially change the way the neighborhood functions. Um our space is small and so we don't we're not able to host a lot of guests. I mean the maximum is four and uh so we don't typically have we don't have issues with too many guests or parties or noise or anything of that sort. Um it's usually just couples and small families. the immediate adjacent neighbor is um not that house is not occupied by the owner and is a full term a full-time rental property. Um it's much bigger than ours and so it has lots lots more guests. Um and so I don't think that it has, you know, being the the neighbor adjacent to the property and the part of the house that's being rented. Um there's not really any concern about affecting the well-being of anyone that lives there because no one lives there. Um, and we we haven't had it. We've been, you know, we rented it at some last year. We haven't had any complaints from the neighbors. And so that's I guess that's it. That's all I got.

Okay. Well, very well. Good. Good job. Let's see if any board member has a question for you. We'll start on my right. Anyone has a question? Mr. Brown? Um, so do you self-manage? Yeah. the property and you're available basically 247 anytime something comes up and your neighbors have your number and contact info if for some reason yeah the the neighbors that yeah that live there basically the neighbor on the other side of the house we know really well and they got you okay so yes sir um what booking use uh VBR VBO or Airbnb what

so we we use Um, we have it listed on Airbnb and VBO. Those are the only two at the moment. So, we use some software that integrates the two, but primarily Airbnb is the Thank you. most useful one. Yep. Anyone else on that side? No. What about No one on my left. Okay. You just start shaking your head no before I [laughter] know. That's good. I'll I'll take a shot at one or two questions. Sure. So, you have a mother-in-law suite. It's one bedroom. one bath. Correct. Yes. All right. And that's all that you're renting out, correct? Okay. So, you're going to stay in the house the entire time while all this is going on while you're renting out, right? Yeah. Mhm.

I mean, we Yeah. It's our primary home. It's your primary. We live there. So, sometimes we're away and we've had a couple of guests there when we're not in the house, but um but that's like I don't know, maybe one or two nights that we weren't there. Okay. And you have a designated parking area for the short-term rental. I see. Correct. Yes, sir. Okay. And so you're expecting how many people typically for that one bedroom? Maybe two. Two to four.

Yeah. It's a it's a So it's it's kind of one main room, a bathroom, and there's a loft that's it's open and that's where the bed is. So there's a pullout couch below. So it can accommodate four people if they use the couch. So but that's the max. You can't you don't want to fit any more people in there. It's very small. Just out of my curiosity. Curiosity. You got a pool. So, you're going to allow these people to use your pool as well? Oh, wow. Okay. Yeah. The kids don't like it, but your kids don't like My kids don't like it. Yeah.

But we try to give them their space. So, I mean, I think that's the appeal is that it's a it's a place for people to enjoy and not um have kids screaming, you know, next to them. So, we we stay away from our pool when guests are there. Okay. Well, if anyone else didn't have a question, I'm I'm finished. Thank you so very much for your time today and information. Thank you.

Do we have anyone else to speak in support of this application? Do we have anyone else to speak in support of this application? Do we have anyone to speak in opposition? Do we have anyone to speak in opposition? Very good. That case is closed to the public. Board members, do we have any questions of staff? Do we have any general discussion? You you have a question of staff? Yes, sir. Mr. Brown, I'm going to make the assumption that there hasn't been any complaints. I know he's stated that, but there hasn't been any to the that y'all are aware of. No,

no complaints. Cool. Okay. Any more general discussion? Well, that was a question, but any general discussion? None. All right. Since I don't hear any, can I get a motion to Okay,

Mr. Chairman, I would make a motion to approve the request uh in BZA case 11-25-0000 917. We carefully reviewed uh everything that has been presented. Uh most of us have looked at if not all have looked at this before. This case is uh is governed by Zelder uh article 6.8 2 C 1 through3. All the conditions have been u met for approval. There is uh it's been shown that uh [clears throat] there's adequate parking. The request here is to extend from an already existing rental to an extended for limited to 144 days a year. There's to protect the public. There's uh the the potential u renters are going to be vetted by VRBO andor the owner. This is a in effect a mother-in-law suite. So the owner is there to ensure that um that his property uh and that of the community is protected. This is a mother-in-law suite. There's adequate parking. The provisions of of one through three, which is what we must deal with, have been met. Uh there's no there's been no issue with noise, trash, traffic, uh that sort of thing. uh there's adequate provision for setbacks and buffering and this complies with the rules and regulations. Uh and they've already been through through as I understand it site a site plan review but there's an additional one that's that may may be required if it if it is that will be met. So I'll make this

motion subject to the three conditions that have been recommended by staff. So that's my my motion. Four conditions. Pardon me. The four staff conditions. The four staff conditions. Second. All right. I heard a second over there on my right. Okay. Thank you, sir. Any general discussion? All those in favor, please indicate by saying I and raising your right hand. I. Any opposed? It is unanimous. Sir, congratulations. Your application has been approved. Within 10 days, you'll be getting information from staff letting you know the next steps in the process. Once again, thank you so very much and you have a wonderful day, sir.

Good. So, Mr. Hair will be doing our next case. Our next case is BZA 11-25- Z00918. The applicant and property owner, Saphir Carmi, requests a special exception to establish a short-term rental property extended home rental at 2121 Bradom Road, TMS number 341 00000038 on James Island in Charleston County. The subject property and adjacent properties to the north, east, and west are lo located within the lowdensity residential R4 zoning district. All properties to the south fall under the jurisdiction of the city of Charleston. Charleston County records indicate that the property contains a single family residence constructed in 2024. The home includes four bedrooms and the applicant proposes to utilize three of these bedrooms for the EHR use. The proposed rental would accommodate a maximum of six guests to um to meet the parking requirements outlined in Charleston County zoning and land development regulations ordinance. Zeldar, the site provides six on-site parking spaces. Here is the location of the property when looking at the county as a whole. The zoning ordinance section pertaining to STRs in the R4 residential zoning district. Uh the 300T radius map. The aerials. We posted the property on December 12th of 2025. Here are pictures of the subject property. A single family residence. It's parking adjacent properties, Bradom Road, and then uh Terara Brook Lane, the site plan, uh the tenant notice, and the plat. Regarding the three approval criteria, staff stated that it may meet criteria 1 through three. Uh we did receive four

public comments in opposition to this case, including a letter from the HOA. um showing 40 additional names. The board of zoning appeals may approve approve with conditions or deny case based on the BCA's findings of fact unless additional information is deemed necessary to make an informed decision. In the event the board decides to approve the application, the board should consider the following conditions recommended by staff. One, prior to the zoning permit approval, the applicant shall complete the STRP limited site plan review process. Two, the use shall comply with all requirements of article 6.8. Three, the property shall not be used as a short-term rental for more than 144 days in aggregate during any calendar year. And four, the property owner shall be responsible for ensuring that tenants comply with the Charleston County noise ordinance. Is there uh any questions?

Is anybody Okay. Oh, yes. Questions. Uh I was just wondering if you have uh you're aware [clears throat] of other extended rentals Yeah. So, within a 300 foot radius, there's zero. Um, but roughly around a I counted today a mile radius, we found about 13 um active short-term rails, but that's a mix between city of Charleston jurisdiction and county because in that area, it's a the lines are kind of constructed. So, Okay. Thank you. Yes, sir.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Um this Bradom Road that uh is referenced in the letter that is a county road, state of state road. Do we know anything about that? Could they talk about uh county park extension? I mean, there's just a lot of stuff. I'm sure we'll hear from somebody in opposition or we'll hear from the applicant about it, too. But I'm just they're talking about how the road is a very narrow residential road with drainage ditches on both sides and no sidewalks. I was just making I was wanting to know if we could confirm that or anything in the aerial that helps us show that or a plat. Yeah, because it talks about there's no room for parking on it. I just thought if we could see a picture of that might give us a better understanding of things. Yeah. Oh, I missed I missed the picture. That might answer my question then. I I can hold Mr. Chair. That's fine.

Okay. Any You got a question? Yes, sir. Please go ahead. While they're looking for that, go ahead. Thank you. Is the uh the letters in opposition, are those all by people that reside in the county or are they county pe

trying to to are proposing to influence the county? What is the what's the makeup? To my understanding, that neighborhood's from the the uh the back of the this property runs along Terrabook Lane, which is a separate neighborhood, but it backs up to Bradam Road. Um that neighborhood uh is in the city of Charleston's jurisdiction, not the county of Charleston's jurisdiction, but we did post a sign in the backyard because it does property backs up to their their main road um in the neighborhood.

Can I follow up on his question? Are you thrilled to I think that's a great question what he's asking. I'm sure we'll hear from the applicant or the people that are uh representing it at some point tonight, but I would love to know the number of people that are in the community of this community that are against it versus people that are on Terra Brook Lane um the following other stuff. So, if that's something we can um calculate out or something out of how many people signed that that um letter. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Yeah, Brad Road is a um county road. Bradom Road is a county road. Thank you. Okay, Mr. Brown,

can you do you know if the is this property part of the same neighborhood as Ter Brook Lane or is it a totally separate adjacent neighborhood just happens to back up to it? I I don't uh I don't think there's a HOA or neighborhood association off of Bradom Road. Um but this neighborhood you do turn to turn into it you have to go you have to turn on Bradom Road to turn into this neighborhood. But Bradom Road doesn't I don't think has an HOA. But that might be a better question for the applicant. This house is on Bradom Road and not part of this Terror Brook Lane either. Correct. So it's not even part of an HOA. That right is right

to my understanding. Yeah. Because they would they would have to well with the restrictive covenants affidavit that's basically stating that they're in an HOA that restricts STR. So they got any questions to my left? I'll start on this side next time. So, we good on this side? We're good. Okay. Any more questions on this side? Thank you, gentlemen. Okay. I presume that you are the applicant. You're there ready for us, right? Yes, sir. Okay. Very good. Welcome. Please state your name and address for the record and please tell us why you wish us to approve your application, sir.

My name is Sepair Karim. Um 2121 Bradom Road, Charleston, South Carolina, 29412. Little bit louder. There you go.

Um the reason I wanted to do uh short-term rentals for this house is that it is a four-bedroom house and I usually have my room and basically the remainder of the house is empty um other than furniture and I never use it. I do travel quite a bit for work. I before even applying for the permit, I actually reached out to a few um groups that are locally run in Charleston for short-term rentals and I found the most credible one to be Southern Charm um um hospitality group and they do a lot of short-term rental managements in the area and I read the reviews and I spoke to them a few times about a number of things. Um, number one, I wanted to make sure that their vetting process was adequate, and it seems like it is. Um, I believe they use uh VBO and Airbnb, but they only rent out to customers that have good ratings without any bad reviews. There is also a noise alert that's set up by them and they advertise that with the um within the ad and if there is any violations of the noise alert then they will be notified and they are locally run so even if I'm not there then they will know about it and um they will address it immediately. Um, as well I have um cameras installed outside the house and that will also be in the ad and strictly no parties will be allowed in the backyard or anything like that. Um, the entire property is fenced in. Um, and it this property is not part of an HOA. I believe the HOA um community is actually behind the house. Um um and I don't believe that um the

maximum number of guests that I will have at the house would be six. Um and I don't believe that that would really cause any changes to the neighborhood and um the family orientation of the neighborhood, my opinion. Okay. All right. Let me see. We do have one. Mr. Jordan has a question for us. Welcome, Mr. Jordan. Thank you. So, you just said the HOA is behind your property. Yes, sir. So, they are behind it, right? Yes. So, have you reached out to any of those people to get their feelings? They do live there? Yep.

So, I mean, have you talked to anybody behind that or that neighborhood? Not directly, sir. No. Okay. But how have you? Well, this the sign I believe they put a sign up uh in the back and they read the reviews or Yeah. Thank you. Anyone else question on this side? All right, I'm going to start at the very end. Mr. Neil, thank you, Mr. Chair. Um yeah, following up on my colleague's uh question, the uh did you receive the uh public comments uh last week or whatever? Did you have a chance to reach out to this uh person uh from Terara Brook Lane Homeowners Association? Uh because it seems like that's the homeowners association that's behind you, right?

Yes, sir. And obviously there's a large group. Did you have a chance to reach out to them? Are you planning on reaching out to them? I did not, but I would willingly reach out to them cuz I would bet you you'll hear from them tonight. So, um been nice if we could have heard from those 40 if you could reached out before, but I would wanted to ask if you had it. Okay. Thank you. Anyone else on my right have a question? Okay. Yes, sir. Um, thank you for showing up tonight and for your application. You one of the things that's unusual about this particular application is that we have two on the same street on the same night. And just out of curiosity, are you associated with the other site? No, we we met a few days ago, actually.

Okay. All right. Good deal. Thank you. So, since that question hadn't been asked, I will ask. You mentioned that you're using Southern Charm to help you with the vetting process and the management of it. Correct. Yes. Why did you choose them again, please? I know you kind of stated briefly, but yeah, I I did pretty extensive research as to what the best management company for short-term rentals in the area was, and that came up as number one in multiple different search engines. And then I read the reviews by people who had used them previously and that's mainly the the reason. Okay. And you're the only one that resides at this house, correct? Yes, sir.

Okay. All right. So, you're just renting a house out since you travel a great deal, what I heard correctly. Yeah. Okay. Very good. Thank you. Any other questions? Thank you so very much for your testimony today, sir. Thank Yes. Do we have anyone else to speak in favor of this application? Do we have anyone to speak in favor of this application? Do we have anyone to speak in opposition? Okay. Okay. One at a time. Um, let me let Okay. Since you've taken the bull by the horn, welcome, sir. Thank you. Please state your name and address for the record and please tell us why we should deny this case.

Yeah, thank you for the opportunity. My name is Richard Grimes. I'm uh 20 97 Terror Brook Lane. Could you um could you please pick up your mic just a little bit? Hey, raise it. There you go. Thank you, sir. One more time if you don't mind starting from the beginning. Richard Grimes, 2097 Terara Brook Lane. Thank you, Mr. Grimes. Go ahead.

Um well, I'm Richard Grimes. I'm president of the Terara Brook Lane Homeowners Association. I'm representing the entire street. Uh we had uh over 40 people sign up uh to oppose this uh recommendation. Uh we would have probably got them all had it not been done over the vacation of Christmas and New Year's. Uh we're opposed to this and and uh just as a matter of background uh Terbuk Lane parallels Bradam Road. It's immediately behind it and it's a relatively new community. It's about 15 years old. But um where whereas the Bradom Road is an established residential community with the deeprooted stability of James Island's older neighborhoods, it's not a place for a commercial lodging operation. This home was built, the one we're talking about was built in late 2024, was only occupied briefly, and while the applicant claims owner occupancy while guests are present, we must still oppose the special exception for an extended home rental in our R4 residential community. Apparently, the applicant has a by right option for a 72 day limited rental. This applicant, however, is asking to double that intensely to 144 days, effectively a part-time hotel business. In addition, the intent of the applicant to use an outside hospitality group uh for management tends to underscore the commercial nature of the operation. Uh more importantly, unlike a limited permit, a special exception for an EHR apparently removes the strict legal mandate for owner occupancy. And while this individual may occupy the place now, it sets a detrimental precedent that runs with the land, I'm told,

regardless of who owns the house in the future. In addition, if you approve this, you're introducing a transangent guest on Bradom Road, a narrow road with drainage ditches on both sides of the road, no street lights, and no sidewalks. the main it is also the main pathway for students of the Montsour school uh Murray Lain Matsuri school uh to get to and from the school from Turbrook Lane and from Bradom Road. So we would encourage the owner to apply for the 72 day limit allowed by law. It would be more acceptable to us I suppose in part because it requires the homeowner to be owner occupied. And if you read the details of our letter, we've gone into other aspects of this and we respectfully uh ask the board to deny this special exception.

Thank you, Mr. Grimes. I gave you just a little bit more time today because you do represent the HOA. Okay. Oh, I apologize. That's okay. That's okay. That That's quite That's quite okay. Thank you. Um hold on, Mr. Grimes, if you would. We probably have some questions for you that our board would like to ask. And I'm gonna start on my left again. Okay, there we go.

Mr. Grimes, thank you so much for attending tonight. Um, you know, one of the questions we hear a lot of these cases throughout the year, and we often get neighborhoods that that come out here opposed to something that's relatively unknown, particularly if there's no um extended home rentals in or adjacent to their particular community. And oftentimes the um the concerns that we hear are very similar from neighborhood to neighborhood. Uh one question I'd have for you and the Tarbrook neighborhood, I would assume in your HOA you do not allow extended home rentals or any type of short-term rentals or probably have like a 28. You can't rent for less than one year.

Okay. Um and so those rules apply to your neighborhood but not necessarily to Bradom Road behind you. Correct. Correct. We we are not associated with Bradom Road other than that our neighbors.

So, one thing when we if we were to authorize this tonight, and I'm definitely not saying that we will. Uh, one thing to remember with these permits is they are only valid for a year. And the individual must have those renewed annually. So, it's not necessarily a perpetual right that is granted that extends to future homeowners on this property. they have to apply to the county for permits to you to run their Airbnb or their their short-term rental. Um, and so if there were particular issues that came up during the year that if we allowed this type of use and it negatively affected your community, the county would definitely take that into consideration at a renewal time. Um, so just keep that in mind if this is indeed authorized tonight.

That's that's good to know. Everything I know about this entire area, I've I've learned in the last one month. So, thank you. And also, I just wanted to add that the fact that uh uh the owner travels a lot worries me a little bit and uh I would u uh again uh be concerned about the uh sort of commercial extent of this. Thank you. Understand. All right. Let's see if anyone on this side has a question. Anyone? Yes, sir. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

No. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Uh following up on my colleagues, uh he's giving you some really really good information and looking through your letter uh not only for this application, but it looks like another application as well, but they they seem very similar in in your uh remarks that you bring up. You bring up a couple of points I just want to follow up on just to see if you'll add any more points to it. You're the neighborhood character. Um you you bring up the issue of a management group managing it instead of owner occupied. Um, and your your your tone is that you think that's a negative and you don't want to bring the commercial aspect in. Um, my opinion is if they bring somebody in to manage it, that's even more help with the management so that we won't have just a reckless group going in there. So even though you bring up the you want you don't want the commercial aspect of it, the more management we can see on a property even if the owner is there, even if the owner does travel. So I see that as a positive. So, um, so, so I don't I don't think that that argument in my light, uh, um, helps you. Being owned by an LLC versus an individual, again, is not a it's not an issue that really, um, I I think gets to the character of why we should deny this or or really approve it. I just don't think it's a a meaningful issue.

Well, I'll give you an example if I may, sir. Well, I will. Let me let me go through the points and then I'll let you follow up as much as you want. I'm more interested in the traffic um issue back there. Um, I mean, is everything else on Bradom Road, is it residential and and your concern? Is it that bringing in an Airbnb type of property that's going to have additional guests in three bedrooms, two to three bedrooms? He says, are you worried about the traffic on Bradom Road increasing exponentially because of this one property? No. Okay. So, you're not worried about the traffic issue. Your your issue is is what then about traffic because you mentioned about drainage ditches on both side of the roads and no sidewalks.

Well, let me say that I've had to separate the two arguments, this property and the one that's to follow, right? Where I have a much bigger concern, right? The other one has got got 10. So, we'll we'll definitely follow. I definitely want to discuss that on the So, for this property, because it's three bedrooms, the traffic issue is not as as alarming to you as mentioned in the letter. If I may comment now. Yes, sir.

Uh the problem with having an external offsite off-campus uh management company is that if they're having a party in the middle of the night and we want them to be quiet, we have no one to call. If the person is living there and they're in the house, we can call and say, "Hey, please settle down. It's a school night or whatever." That's the pro reason we have problems with external uh operators whether it's an LLC or some other company.

Well, that's a fair argument and thank you for that that detail. Mr. Chair, if I may just follow up with one last one, and that is the infrastructure and noise. Have you noticed any issues with this property or any other properties up and down Bradom Road that are um giving noise issues, noise uh violations, disturbances to the houses currently on Tbrook Lane that you No, this is a residential area. We don't have that problem. Okay. R4 I think it's called.

All right. Well, I think my colleague gave you some very good information is these, you know, whatever decision is made tonight is not a endall decision. It's these permits are up for renewal. A lot of the questions we ask when people go from a regular Airbnb type property to a from short-term to extended. if they have any noise violations or other issues with permits, uh those are red flagged and uh homeowners association is is welcome to that information and and can can speak on it for sure. If I may add one little thing, uh

it wasn't explained before exactly, but par while we parallel Bradom Road, we have to come onto Bradom Road for several houses before we turn into Terbrook Lane, so we're not just that distant from it. Right. Okay. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Okay. Any more questions on this side? Yes.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. And thank you for coming here uh today. Uh I was very impressed by your wellstated and heartfelt presentation. And um just for background, I live on a palms. I'm especially sensitive to the concerns that you've expressed. Uh, I'm more concerned about some of the legal things, not not for you, but some of the the the legal matters that we're dealing with, but I'm curious so I can it'll help me make my decision, perhaps help you uh or help the applicant. I don't want to help either one. I just want to comply with the law. Um, are the people you represent, the folks you're representing, are y'all in the city or are you in the county? My understanding is that we are in the city. We're immediately behind the county. Bradam Road is a county road. Terbrook Lane is a city road. Uh but we're 50 ft away. I I understand. Uh I was thinking in these terms and and maybe we'll get some give it I'm going to give it some more thought, but uh I'm think I'm wondering or concerned about some of the the the president. For example, could could um Mount Pleasant complain about something going on in the county in James Island? Could James Island complain about zoning in Mount Pleasant and on and on? Or or is it something that would be a county issue or a city issue? I I don't know. But you have any thoughts? Anything you can share?

Any thoughts on that? I I have no idea about the legal implications there. what I know is the practical implications of the fact that these folks are 50 ft from our front doors uh in many cases not the whole street of course. Uh so uh it's it's practically speaking I I hope I'm not uh demoting myself by being on the city. Uh I'm just trying to say that this is uh one of we have to come on to Brown Road to get on to Terbrook Lane whether it's city or county. I I didn't find out until I became president who owned what, but that's my understanding. Okay. Well,

I'm I'm still thinking. I promise. I've got an open mind. I'm I'm just trying to understand what what precedent we have when one disparit community can can weigh in on what what another one does. I with I just don't know. But thank you. Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Brown. You have questions?

Yes, sir. Thanks, Mr. chair. Um, you mentioned something about, you know, a commercial aspect and and someone whether the owner live is there when renters are there. If if you had if it was shared with the neighborhood, the contact information of the property manager and they were assured availability of 247 and for things like that. I mean that's a that a lot of times we have those conversations with um for these types of cases is that that number and and contact information is available for everyone because I know that seemed to be a concern. Would that help in any way if if [snorts]

we had contact information for the owner when we had a problem? Is that what you were saying? Well, the the property manager and a number for the property manager. If if you know there's a party going on, not only would you call the police, but possibly the property manager as well. Would that help in the situation, you think? Sure. It'd be it'd be nice to have that. if if you all approved this and uh we and we had a problem, we'd know we'd have to call the property manager probably uh if uh if there was a problem uh and we'd hope it could be resolved and we'd hope they'd answer the phone and we'd hope they'd not be too busy and we'd hope we'd not get a voicemail. Right. Thank you.

Anyone else on my right? Thank you so very much for your testimony tonight, sir. Thank you. See you here again in a few moments, I think. [laughter] We had some other hands. Um, ladies first. Uh, if I would. Yes, ma'am.

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Thank you. My name is Dorothy Brown Magwood. I live at 2036 Aid Lucky Road. First thing I received two mail one today. I got the mailbox for I don't I can't even pronounce the person's name, but my address about this meeting. I didn't open it, but I'm assuming it's for the meeting. I got a letter last week about the meeting for Keith Croc Dawson. I don't know those people. They don't live at my house. The address that I have is 2036A. My uncle's address is 2036. My nephew's address is 2036B. Number one, first of all, that's a residential area where we are. And I think those two houses where he talking about is on Brad Road directly behind my house. When y'all agree to do this thing, our taxes are going to go up. Why? I don't know. So why would you pull a house there and you don't want to be you're not living there. We shouldn't build a house. I don't have money to be spent because you want to put a rental a rental thing there. That's not my problem. When you got that thing, you should have known what you going what you were doing. And if you should have gone through it the right way and they would to tell you you can't do that. That's a quiet neighborhood. I was born and raised. I'm 79 years old now and I don't need that headache. And y'all can sit there and look at me like y'all going crazy or whatever. I don't care. But the point is I don't want that mess there by me because it's in my backyard. The two houses I think that's what they talk about of Rat and Road. I don't need it. The house that I am in was built in 1896 and I'm keeping that house and I'm not getting rid of that house. So y'all got to understand that people who live there, born and raised there, they don't want to move. But why make taxes a thing harder for them that they have to pay? The cost of living is getting higher and

higher. Property, we got a thing was did the survey the other day. Taxes went up. Some people can't afford to pay these high taxes. And when you go to do rental property, the tax is going up skyh high. That's not fair because we're older now. We don't have a say so. We don't have feelings. We don't have no input. That's not right. And if y'all don't like what I'm saying, come and tell me cuz I can stand up for what I'm saying. Any questions? [laughter] Thank you so very much for your question. I want some comments. No, come and come talk to me. I want to understand what y'all doing. Okay. So, if you give me just one moment, I think I got someone on the very end that would like to ask you a question. Who? Where? I'm right over here.

Answer me. Okay. Nice to meet you, ma'am. Um, can staff pull up I guess it's got the plaid up there. I would like to know where this young lady uh lives in relation to the house. Can we give her a pointer or can ma'am, can you see this map? All right. Well, up here. No. Okay. Would you, Mr. I live on Lucky Road. Okay. 23 23 2036A. We're just trying to understand where the which property is hers versus the applicant's property. Oh, which one? So 26 is that subdivided or like that?

How many residences? How many uh homes are on 20? Is it one home or is there trailers mobile homes on it as well? One my house. Yes, ma'am. And my uncle's house. It's on the block house. There's two There's two houses on 20 that that large parcel. It's behind the school. Yes. When you come down Lucky Road, you make a left turn around the curve. There's the three houses and the house at the end down there, too. Okay. And then another guy bought some property from somebody and all the way in the back back there. Okay. So, you access your property through Lucky Road. Yes. Uh you don't go on to Bradom Road or anything like

I do. I can go through there. I go through Roper Road to get there. You go through which road? Roper Road. Okay. Roper Road. Like you coming down Bradom Road. This come to Bradom this way and you make a left turn on Roper Road and you drive all the way back. They sold some of that property sold some of that property back. But there's a road that came through. You can cut through there by my nephew house and go on Bradom. I mean on Lucky Road. Okay. All right. Thank you, Mr. Chair. And if you look at the plat for Bradam Road, it does did say Lucky Road. Um, you know, the actual plat show. So, it used to be called that and it was renamed.

Yeah, that would be that right there. Crazy. And which one? So, she Whoops. So, she's on uh Okay. There's two houses. They're both there. And I'm behind My house is behind that house. My house is in the middle between the trailer and the um the Sunblock House. Okay. Thank you. Thank you for showing up. Thank you for testifying. I see. Anyone on on my right have a question? I'm done with that one. Anyone on my left? All right. Mr. George, come up here. Come on up here, Bubba. [laughter] I guess. Yes, ma'am. No, we're only going to have testimony for one at a time. Okay.

Well, he can talk about that. Get through talking, but I'm only going to allow one at a time. So, Mr. Jordan has a question for you. When When did you say, ma'am, your house was built? 1896. So, am I right in assuming that all development Wait, wait a minute. My grandmother was born in 1896. The house was there before she was born. So, am I right in assuming that all development around it came after your house? Say that again. All the the people that live around you that came after your house, your house, you were there, your family was there first, am I right? Yes. Okay. So you so your family has seen all this development come around your home. Yes. Thank you. Anyone else to my left have a question?

Thank you so very much for gracing us with your presence today and we thank you so very much for your testimony. Did you have another question? I got something to say. My uncle couldn't come because he is disabled and he is my grandmother's son but he couldn't he's 97 years so he can't walk so he couldn't come but I can. Thank you for that information. Thank you. Now you can talk to him. [laughter] Come here. Do we have anyone else that'd like to speak in opposition? [laughter] Yes, sir. Come to the podium. Yes, sir. If you would lift that mic up so we can hear you.

Mr. Hair, if you get that for me, I greatly appreciate it. I'll take it, Mr. Hair. Or it's mailed to the wrong address. Oh, okay. Thank you. I'll I'll take care of it. I'll review it. I'll take care of it. Okay.

Thank you for bringing it. Yes, sir. Please state your name and address for the record and tell us why we should oppose deny this application. Okay. So, my name is Thaddius Smith. Thaddius Smith. Yes. Thank you. I live on 2030 Terror Brookke Lane and I'm actually a part of the county. Okay. And then I want to say that I'm furious about this and I'm going to try my best to talk up here. So, first I learned that this management company is through Southern Charm. Southern Charm is a reality TV show here in Charleston. hospitality.

I know many people who are on Southern Charm and I know many people that could not handle the drama and everything on Southern Charm. Southern Charm owns quite a few buildings downtown. They have taken over downtown and I know of local businesses that have been kicked out of buildings that are owned by Southern Charm individuals. They they're like an aposi. I I personally know one person from Southern Charm that could not take the drama. It was a it was awful on his mental health and he had to leave the show. These people laugh at this. They laugh at taking other people's property and they do that when they aren't they raise the rent and they don't get the money they want. Now, as far as crime rates, we my spouse and I, we moved here about 10 years ago to South Carolina from Ohio, North Carolina or Ohio. We've seen the the changes that have gone through or the changes that Park Circle has gone through drastic changes and also even just Bradam Road. I know somebody that's on the police, well, many people that are on the police department for the county, James Island, and they've been trying their hardest to get the crime down off Bradom Road.

Okay, I apologize. Yeah, at the I'm going have to stop you at this time. Let me see if any one of my board members have a question for you. I'm gonna start on my left. Any questions? I have questions but I don't I didn't get to I'm sorry I wasn't paying attention to the time. Do you have a question for the applicant? I mean not for this asking but just generally I think but do you have a question for him? No. Okay. Anyone else have a question for this person? I will come back to you. Okay. Come come come back to me. Yes sir. Mr. Neil,

I'll say this. Can you tell me in a bullet list of the issues that you have with this property being an Airbnb or a short-term rental? Instead of all the stuff about I might know somebody or whatever, tell me I'm concerned about traffic or I'm concerned. I need three, four, one item, whatever you have, just tell me the items that you have and why. Hey, definitely traffic, definitely noise complaints, and also the as far as having people and friends park next to these Airbnbs, there's just not enough room on Bradom Road.

Shar, may I follow up? Yes. When you're saying in parking, um, we've seen a display of how he plans to park people for the two to three bedrooms that he has available and it looks like there's ample parking on the s on the driveway, not using the street because the street doesn't is not a wide street from from what our renderings have. Do you have more knowledge or an example of something what would make the parking issue negative because of this? So, I have some friends here that live out of state just like he does and travels a lot for work. They bought an Airbnb in Park Circle. Park Circle has purposely

All right. Well, I'm on the top. I'm talking about this issue in this house. I'm not talking about Park Circle and I'm not talking about friends. The issue that you're testifying on, if I'm trying to summarize and and get more testimony from you, is what are your issues with parking on this application? There's going to be more than just six parks parking at this location. And how do you know that? Friends of friends that will go to this Airbnb. Okay, that's here. Well, here. Okay. Well, I've seen it myself.

Okay. And we were going to buy in Park Circle and it was an upand cominging area and I'm glad I did not. We would have moved for how awful Park Circle is right now. Yeah. Okay. Thank you, Chair. All right. Thank you so very much for your testimony. Do we have any Yes, sir. You may come. Please state your name and address for the record and please tell us why we should deny this application. Sir. Uh, Steve Slokum, 21105 Bradom Road. Thank you, Mr. Slogo. Welcome.

Thank you. Um, my wife and I recently moved to Bradom Road um last seven months or so, and we chose that neighborhood because it is a quiet neighborhood. Um, and there are many younger families that are on the street. And as everyone's alluded to earlier, very narrow street, no street lights, drainage ditches on both sides. I walk my dog there every single day, day and night. Very dangerous at night just with the traffic that's there already. Uh introducing people who don't know the road there and you know increase of traffic makes it even more dangerous. Okay.

Along with that, Marie Lasain does back up directly to our road. We can hear the school bell every single day. Very close proximity. Not only is it a main road for Terbrook children to walk to school, also Bradam kids, Roper Road, um, and anyone who else lives on Lucky Road if they're walking down that way. Uh my concern would a be traffic safety for the children walking to and from school, but also ensuring that there was a way to uh I guess [clears throat] property owner ensures that the safety of the children are taken into consideration when they're approving the renters of the houses. And again, I think the increase in parking from the number of people who may be in there, while there may be ample parking, if they do not know like the where to exactly park and have to end up parking on the street, it's going to force people directly into the middle of the road, which again, danger across the board. So, that's uh that's all I have to say about this property. Okay. Thank you for your testimony. Let me see if anybody here on my right has a question. I'm going to go to Mr. around person.

Um, you mentioned how narrow the street is, no street lights. Is it speed limits and children crossing and and all of those? Are those signs on that street as well or No. No, it's just a street and that's it. It's a dark dark narrow street. Okay.

Yeah. I have two for the for the uh testimony. one, um, I didn't catch his address, so if he could point out where his where his home is in relation to the applicant. And the second question I have is I'd love to know if could you mention school walking, children walking to school from the Terrabrook Lane area. Um, I'd like an understanding is where do they cut through to go to the school? Is it right across? Is it further? Where where's the general traffic? If you're walking around with your dog, I imagine you know this information. Yeah, they had it lit up. So 21105 and we are three or four houses down. Can you point out Can you point out what number it is or which one it is? That's where you live.

Yes. Okay. So you're five lots away from this application. Correct. And if you go towards the right about 150 ft down would be the entrance to Terbrook uh neighborhood on Terbrook Lane. [snorts] And is there a cut through for the school or what? Where's the general traffic pattern for kids that walk or ride a bike? Straight down Bradom. Straight down where? Bradam to uh Riverview. Which way? Riverland Drive. Excuse me. Which way would that be? It's working this way. [clears throat] So, right. And Riverview's down that way. And so then and then the uh empty lot there, the big white spots, the school. All right. That's great. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you.

Yeah, Mr. here. Where is the school again? It's behind it. [clears throat] Yeah, right by it. Okay. All right. Any more questions on this side? Any questions on this side? No. On my left? No. Thank you so very much for your testimony today. I saw another hand in opposition. Do we have someone? Okay. Multiple testimony. Hey, I was there too, man. Please state your name and address for the record.

All right. Yeah. My name is Elliot Vulman. I live on 2131 Bradom Road, so two three houses down from both of the properties in question. Uh same side of the road as this particular item. Um so let me just outwardly say I'm actually not directly opposed to this particular situation. However, there are a lot of caveats in this. Um uh maybe give you maybe an anecdote. So I moved here seven, eight years ago. Uh at the time the road was very much as it's described now. Uh with the difference being there was a lot of sketchy activities at the end of the road. Very similar area to where this house is in question. A lot of it is because it was just dark uh dilapidated homes. Uh that honestly just put a lot of onus on the surrounding community and neighborhoods to essentially police it on behalf. Uh we all signed up for it. That's just part of being a neighborhood and community. That's what we do. However, when we have a an equation like this where we have transient people coming in and out, uh the burden of the situation is not on just a agency or someone to handle this. It is everyone around it as situations arise. Now, we have to police on behalf of them. So, we are we're not their employees. We're not working on their behalf. Uh it materially impacts the area that we live in and the safety uh that we live in. Now again I want to clarify if the owner is occupying this particular property it's different equation than the next situation that we talked about after this. Uh I I'm not opposed because someone is there physically dealing with the burden of the challenges that are coming with all the different items that we are hearing. Um but again uh there's already travel being flagged. There's an agency here to support it. So from my understanding that burden is still being placed upon us. There's still safety issues. I have a little one here. It is dark, narrow area. I run there. We go all up on the street. We go right in front of that house all the time. Um, and it's very easy to imagine uh people who are

unfamiliar with the area to just speed through or just not really pay as close attention. So, generally it is a combination of materially impacting our neighborhood uh and um I guess impacting the safety and putting burden on the neighboring community and neighbors. Okay. Thank you. I I hate to say this and y'all forgive me. He looks just like Adam Sandler and sounds [laughter] just like thinking the same. I'll take that. I get worse. I just couldn't get that. [laughter] What enticed you to move to your current home? Why did you choose that neighborhood?

Yeah, honestly, it's very similar to what you've already heard. It is a very quiet place. Um when the sun goes down, the lights are out. There's no one really roaming around. I'm one of the few people that are out walking my dogs or running. Um because most of the people on our property are probably 55 60 years old. Uh it's heir's property for the most part that surrounds us. I'd say there's probably two or three family trees that are interconnected except for a few of us that are here speaking out. Um but it is a quiet, pleasant place is where we wanted to raise our daughter. I see any questions on this side to my right. I I have a crazy question I want to ask. Go for it. But I'm not answering.

Would you be, you know, I I was trying to humor you basically. Um, would you be opposed with someone with a four bedroomedroom house that had, say, six teenagers and bringing a lot of kids, their friends in and out? I I know you may not be at that stage now with that little one, but how would that impact a neighborhood like this? The same. I mean, honestly, we kind of deal with that already. Um the property that is now taken over as uh part of the county park system, it was unmaintained. It was open. We had people mudding, doing drugs, selling all sorts of stuff back there. Uh and that was part of the community to police it and get that out.

But my my question was if you had four teenagers in one home with all driving permits and license, you would have a lot of traffic coming in and out every day, would it not? Yeah. typically going to school again you have parents the capacity to manage that is by the people who live there uh it is not an agency or someone who occasionally hears from neighbors okay

um I mean we're already very vocal community we have a little Facebook group where all the complaints get surfaced uh and they are generally handled very well but if it is a home with unruly kids uh I mean I've been part of that um I mean it's just part of how that works But this is a commercial operation. It's a little bit different. Okay. Well, thank you so very much for your testimony today and that lovely young lady you got with you too. Thank you. Thank you. Do we have anyone else to speak in opposition? Do we have anyone else to speak in opposition to this case?

Okay. Very much. Very good. Where is the applicant? Okay. Behind Per I can't see. Sir, you have the right rebuttal limited to two minutes. So, if you would address the questions and the opposition that you have, uh, we greatly appreciate it. If [clears throat] you don't mind, also please stating your name and address for the record.

Yes, sir. Super car 2121 Braden Road. Um, all right. So, I wrote down a few things. One, I think there's a there was a confusion between the reality TV show and the hospital hospitality group. So, I just wanted to make that distinction. Number two, um, uh, I just want to say at the back of the house, there's no door to this HOA neighborhood. So, the guests would not be opening the door to going into that neighborhood from the back of the house. Um as well I think that it would be important to provide the information of the hospitality group to everyone the neighbors and make that available to all the neighborhoods as well as the HOA. um as well as advertising that um w within whenever they do the advertisements to mention that this is a school area and that you know the um all the um precautions need to be made uh driving in and out of the street. um as well as um having a strict no parking on the street policy um with signs and including that in the advertisement. That's all I had.

Okay. Um board members, does any board member have a question? Yes, sir. I have a question. Um uh thank you for your for your uh rebuttal, if you will. U I had a question. We've we've got um a reality show, if you will, and then you've got is it Southern Hospitality or is is it is it the same is it the same people? I don't know. And I don't believe so. Um but quite honestly, I don't think they're related. Is it the same uh is it same people? Are they shared resources? Are they affiliated in any way? Not to my knowledge.

Okay. I haven't heard anything on either side that would would reflect whether they were whether they were the same or just some unfortunately maybe I use the word painted with a brush of being associated with somebody else. Yeah. Uh the name is Southern Charmed. Southern charm versus southern charmed is two different two different names I believe. So to my knowledge they are southern hospitality. Is yours southern hospital? Southern Charmed Hospitality. They were two different names.

Well, that's what I thought. I thought there were two different names. I couldn't understand. There was a there was a concern that this was a reality show was was acting as your property manager, and I'm trying to get to to the bottom of it and see if there's anything that would give that any legs. Okay. All right. Thank you. Yes, ma'am. Mr. May, um I just want to confirm you have a fence the whole way around the property. Yes, ma'am. Including the backyard? Yes, ma'am. How high is that fence? It's higher than me. So, uh I don't know the exact Okay. And you you said there's no back door. Correct.

So, there's no like back patio pool putting green type deal in the backyard. No, there's no definitely no pool. Uh few trees and Yeah. Okay. Little porch area. Okay, Mr. Jordan, I have a comment and a question. When I asked you that question earlier about had you reached out anybody, you might have thought I was trying to put you on the spot, but I'm not.

As it turned out, because I was going to ask originally about this, but I stopped. But as it turned out, what we just heard is what I was trying to point out. And you you heard that there's several people that had questions your intentions and what you were doing, and it might have made a difference had you talked to those people before tonight. So, if it's true what this lady said, and I don't doubt her, she's the one who lives behind you. Don't you think it would have been a interesting concept if this thing had been twisted totally different and you were living in your house full-time and you had a family, but she was here tonight applying for short-term rental behind your neighborhood, behind your yard. Don't you think you'd be feeling a little different?

Yes. I I I don't believe she lives behind my house, actually. Well, whoever is behind it, don't you think that it would have made a difference if they reached out to you? I think all the concerns are valid and I would do everything I can to make sure. That's what I'm saying. I think I think you should have reached out to him before tonight. And besides, no matter what happens, they're here. You can still talk to them tonight. Yep. All right, Miss Smith. Uh, my question is along the same lines. Would you be willing to give out your contact info to res mine as well as the hospitality group? Okay. Okay. Any more questions on this side? Yeah. All right. No questions on my right.

So, you are going to make your information available for both you and Southern Charm. Yes, sir. Okay. All right. And how will you do that? Stop it. Right. Um I believe the contact information of the H. Will you make it available to these individuals and your neighbors? It's a question. It's not I can do that right now. Well, okay. Yeah. All right. So, you you will be willing to do that. Absolutely. I think that's what they want. Okay. If you do that, if it's approved, I should say that. Any other questions, Mr. Brown? It's sort of more of a discussion, not really a question for him. So, maybe it for Thank you so very much for your testimony. Thank you.

So, this case is closed to the public. Wait a minute. Did you have a question? Anybody? Okay. So, this case is clo You may have a seat, sir. This case is closed to the public. Board members, at this time, I will entertain some discussion because I think we have something. I have a question for staff, if we may. Okay. So, let me run to staff first. I I just So, I'm going to start with Miss Smith, please. I'm sorry. You had a question of staff? I do. Okay. Um, there's been a couple of people say that they live on Terra Brook Lane. Is half of that street city and half of it county? No, the the whole thing's city. The whole thing is city. There's They say it's not.

Well, I'm sorry. You can't address the board at this time. Miss Smith. Yeah, there there's a way to elect to be you can elect to be in the county. Oh. Or if you're a provision in the city, there's a way you can elect to be in the county or the city. I don't think it really matter. So it could be some of the problems could be that's not the issue.

If you're in the city, you're in the county. Okay. Mr. Neil, you had a question. Yeah. My my question is for staff on I'd like to know how many homes are in the Terrabrook Lane Homeowners Association because if 40 of them signed it, I'd like to know um how many groups are how many people that that entire HOA. I would like to know what what percentage they got because in this in the uh letter of opposition there's 40 names that have signed on. I'd like to know is it 40 of 40? Is it 40 of 45? Is it 40 of 90? That's piece of information I'd like to know. So maybe somebody from our staff can get a hold of that HOA president cuz I bet you he knows.

The president's here. Yeah. I mean, I didn't want to ask a question. We could reopen and allow. I mean, if staff can just reach over and talk to him, ask Mr. Hair or Miss Clark, could you ask him instead of me doing Right. Do we have another question? Go ahead. Just ask him. Do we have a question for staff? Any other questions for staff? Mr. Hair is doing that.

So, there's 61 total homes in the neighborhood. Okay. Uh, and they only got 40 signatures. He said if they had more time, they would have got, right? So, that's roughly twothird of the of the neighborhood. I think that's important important to know that two-thirds of the neighborhood signed off on this letter of opposition. All right. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Any more questions for staff? Any more questions for staff? Okay. At now at this time, do we have any general discussion? We had questions of staff, but any general discussion about this case, Mr. Neil?

Yeah, I I have two points I'd make before I I mean, I'm not ready to make a motion. I think we should hear the discussion. I we were asking there were some questions about whether it's in the city or whether it's in the the county. Uh my personal opinion on is that looking at the special exception criteria. The number one thing is or excuse me the number one item the first item is is it compatible with existing uses in the vicinity that will not adversely affect the general where the character of the immediate community. It doesn't say whether the immediate community is in the city, whether it's in the county. So we've got to know we we've got to make the determination. Is it going to affect the nearby residents? So the point of whether in the city or not like that I'm I don't put any bearing on on that. My uh my question is about the the traffic, the roads, the safety, kids walking down the street, things like that. But the biggest thing that just came to me was the twothirds of the community that's a neighboring community says they'll be affected. To me, that's a that that's hard for me to get past that criteria on the test. So just something to think about in in our discussion. Any other discussion? Any

Okay, let me go to Mr. Neil here. All right. Um, yeah, you one thing I also think we could consider as we evaluate this particular request is that you don't necessarily or we do not necessarily have to approve this request for 144 days. We do have the option to, you know, he's already can already apply for 72 since he's owner occupied. Um, and we could find somewhere in the middle and see how year one goes. We Mr. Braille. So we have that option to to change to less. Yes sir. Okay. You do. We just can't go more than 14.

I just want to make a statement and hearing all of the comments about pedestrians and safety and traffic and roads. I'm surprised that a street that is this highly used by pedestrians and cars and adjacent to a school has no lights, has no signs, has nothing. So, I'm just making an observation. I'm surprised that a county road that serves this many people appears to not have adequate safety measures. Mr. Jordan,

well, it seems my issue of the night is is residents. So, I'll go one step further. I'm interested in what my the colleague my colleague the vice chairman said about trying to find I guess some accommodation or work with these people or so I'm interested. I think what I thought you were saying is can something be done to give this gentleman another day or time to talk to his the neighbors?

That's not necessarily what I'm saying. Although I do agree with your suggestion that uh being a good neighbor and talking with your neighbors before coming to this board is always a good idea particularly for these kind of requests. Uh what I was simply saying was that in this case the owner this being an owner occupied property he can apply for 72-day limited home rental without having to come to this board and ask for the 144 days. What we have an option to do since he has asked is say, you know, he can get 72 days without anybody saying anything. The neighborhood can't say anything. If we wanted to, you know, extend um some additional days to him, say 100 days or 90 days or 73 days, whatever it is, that is something that we could allow.

Yes, sir. So, this application is for the extended home. If this denies, if this does not get approved tonight, he can still do the regular for the 100 for the 7, how many is it? 144 days. 72 72 days. And completely correct. Correct. This is different than the next case because this is an owner occupied house. Right. Thank you.

Yes, ma'am. I I don't know how good a discussion item it is, but I I feel compelled by uh him living in the home. And I've I rented out my house on Airbnb with my husband when we had our first starter home, and it was a great way to make money and be able to stay in a neighborhood that that is harder to afford and is becoming more unaffordable. So, well, that's why we have you on the board. We we have all these great opinions and we all come from different parts of the county and so we need that information and it's it's very pertinent. So never feel that way. We we want to hear. Yes sir.

Uh I think it's understood by most people already [clears throat] but I I asked Dr. Google about the relationship between the real estate agency and the TV show and there is none between the two. Uh, according to Google. So, [laughter] according to Google. So, you say it's one or the same? No, they're not. They're two separate. Oh, two separate. It's a separate two completely separate separate entities.

Okay. That's what I thought. Okay. Any other discussion, questions? Okay. So, we we we've had general discussion and very good discussion. So, at this time, we need a motion to either approve or deny this case. Case BZA 1125-0000 918. Do we have anyone to make that doesn't a motion? Mr. Chair, I'll make a motion. Yes, sir. It might not make me the most popular man in this room,

but um in the case of BCA 112500918, I would make a motion that we approve this request. that one and I'm basing this on the fact that in this particular instance the owner this is an owner occupied residence and at a minimum he would qualify for 72 days without even having to have a public hearing. So in making this motion I do say that it meets the um compatible it is compatible with existing uses in the vicinity and it will not adversely affect the general welfare and character of the community. The applicant has stated uh his intention for having a management company assist him with managing the property and he's willing to give his contact information to those that have been concerned. So I I take those into consideration and saying we meet that criterion that two adequate provision is made for uh such items as setbacks, buffering, fencing to protect the adjacent properties from the adverse influence of the proposed STRP use. And there are fences around this property that do protect neighbors from hopefully from unruly noise. And there are noise ordinances in place that can protect the adjacent properties as well. And at three, it complies with all applicable rules, regulations, laws, and standards of this ordinance. In making my motion, I would propose that we limit this particular application to 100 days. So give the uh applicant inability to begin the short-term rental process maybe a little bit more than they would otherwise be allowed to do. Um so this would be keeping the four staff criteria but changing staff criterion uh three to say or special condition three to say the property shall not be used as a short-term rental for more than 100 days in aggregate during any calendar year. Uh, in making this motion, I recognize that the applicant could come forward and ask for additional days in a future year if um, you know, if there really are no issues with the STRP. That is my

motion. Okay, board members, you've heard the motion. Do I have a second? Okay, Miss Smith, I looked that way first, so yes, I got a second. Okay, so we have a second. Do we have any general discussion? Mr. Brown, sorry. In this particular instance, is it um valid to add another stipulation that they share the contact info with these neighbors? If do do you want to I I don't know if that's necessary that he's testified that he would do so. If he didn't do so, he could technically and our attorney can correct me if I'm wrong, could be held in contempt if he didn't do that.

Mr. That's okay. Mr. Neil,

thank you, Mr. Chair. Um the question I have on the motion and I I like the motion from because basically he would have the ability to do 72 without this. So you're you're ramping it up to 100 days but that's far down from the 144. Correct. So my question is what happens in a year if the renewal comes on? What type of feedback can the community give or the neighborhood give saying, "Well, wait a minute. We told you so and and they've gotten crazy there and we can't get a hold of anybody." Um, will it come back in front of us to go for another extended or is it on the city and staff for compliance? I'm just trying to understand what the next procedure is.

So, you want to do it or you want me to do it? Well, I was going to say it's probably more of a staff question, but when they apply when they reapply for their permit next year, it would keep the 100 day limit and staff would then consider whether or not s significant number of complaints have been received to renew the 100, right? To this would only cap it at the 100, right? If he wanted to go to 144, he'd have to come back before the board for a for a variance or whatever of or of that thing. All right. Well, as much as I like the motion, I'm not going to support the motion because with twothirds of a ne of a neighboring neighborhood, I believe you'll have too much of a conflict. But I like the proposal, but I will not be able to support it.

I think it's a fair point. Thank you. Any other discussion on this side? Any more discussion on this side? Okay. So, we have a motion that has been properly moved and second. I'll bring it to a vote. All those in favor, please indicate by saying I and raising your right hand and hold it there till accounts been done. Okay. One, two, three. A little higher. I want to make sure. Okay. All right. And any opposed? Okay. So, the eyes have it. You got it. Well, okay. I was [laughter] I I'm four. Four.

Yes. So, it carries. Thank you. Where did he go? Okay, he's fine, sir. So, your application has been approved. Within 10 days, you'll be getting information from staff letting you know the next step in the process. Once again, thank you for coming and good night and I thank you all for coming and I thank you all. That case is closed. So, our very next case will be I just want to real quick, the vote was 7 to2, correct? Yes. Okay. And the two opposed was Jordan and Neil. Okay. We just want to make sure we got it right. Correct. So, our next case we have will be done by Mr. Hair. I'm sorry. This case is over.

No, ma'am. Don't don't don't try it. Please. I can't answer that question. Why not? Because that's not our jurisdiction. Who do I need to go to? Your office. Yes. Thank you. Did you hear that? No, I did not hear. You would have to go to the accessessor's office. The tax assessor's office. They deal with tax rates downstairs. The tax assessor that's downstairs on the first floor. I know where it is. Okay. Thank you. Ma'am, that that's not within the jurisdiction of this board.

Ma'am, I already Thank you. So, our next case is case BZA 11-25.00919. It be done by Mr. Hair.

The applicant and property owner Iran of MI2 LLC requests a special exception to establish a short-term rental property extended home rental at 2128 Bradom Road, TMS number 341 00000023 on James Island in Charleston County. Subject property and adjacent parcels to the east, south, and west are located within the lowdensity residential R4 zoning district. All properties to the north fall under the jurisdiction of the city of Charleston. According to Charleston County records, the property contains a single family residence constructed in 2025. The home includes four bedrooms and the applicant proposes to utilize all the bedrooms for the EHR use, accommodating a maximum of 10 guests. To satisfy the parking requirements outlined in Charleston County Zoning and Land Development Regulations Ordinance, Zeldar, the site provides six on-site parking spaces. And since the property is not owner occupied, it does not qualify for a limited home rental permit. It must be reviewed as an extended home rental in accordance with Zeldar requirements. This is the location of the property when looking at the county as a whole. This is the zoning ordinance section pertaining to SDRs in the R4 residential zoning district. the 300 foot radius map, the aerials. We posted the property on December 12th of 2025. There are pictures of the subject property, single family residence, and it's parking, adjacent properties, uh, and Bradom Road. This is the site plan, the tenant notice, and the plaque. Regarding the three approval criteria, staff stated that it may meet criteria 1 through three. And we received three public comments in opposition to CA into this case, uh, including the the same letter from the HOA showing 40 additional names and signatures. [snorts]

Uh, the board of zoning appeals may approve approve with conditions or deny case based on the BCA's findings of fact unless additional information is deemed necessary to make an informed decision. In the event the board decides to approve the application, the board should consider the following conditions recommended by staff. One, prior to the zoning permit approval, the applicant shall complete the STRP limited site plan review process. Two, the use shall comply with all requirements of article 6.8. Uh, three, the property shall not be used as a short-term rental for more than 144 days in aggregate during any calendar year. And four, the property owner shall be responsible for ensuring that tenants comply with the Charleston County Noise Ordinance. Is there any questions?

Does any does any board member have a question? Yes, sir. Mr. Hair, I had a couple of questions. Um, yes, sir. This I see that this home was constructed in 2025. Was it constructed for purposes of an extended home rental, short-term rental, or do you know? Not to my knowledge. When was the CEO uh issued the certificate of occupancy? Give me one second. Looks like

um August of last year. Yeah. And is it is it currently o is it occupied? Is somebody living in there? Is it being rented or It's not owner occupied. This is sitting idle. Do what? It's sitting idle. Yes. All right. To my knowledge, he just purchased. Yeah. All right. It was purchased last year. Any other questions on my right? Any on my left? Thank you. Is the applicant present? Please come forward. Please state your name and address for the record and please tell us why we should approve your application. Sir,

my name is Iran I live in uh 2245 Portside Way in Charleston um South Carolina 29407 2128 Bradom Road. It's a new construction built on a third of an acre. It's got a four bedroomedroom two and a half bathrooms. Uh property is fully fenced. On one side we have um a vacant heavily wooded lot. Um we're the second um house to the end of the street which is um there's um the county park I think they bought that uh something is going on there that they're going to develop in the future. Um I heard a lot of different things that I can talk about but um basically there's already a lot of noise coming from the school in the back pretty much during the day. Um, as far as the property will be managed by myself, myself and the kids. Um, you have to be over 25 to book and we always say there's no parties. Uh, when people book, we use Airbnb and VBO. Um, if there's any questions, um, I'll be happy to take them or if you want me to talk about what was previously, um, stated, I'll be happy to do that, too.

Okay. You came before us last month, didn't you? Yeah. And back in October, too. Yeah. And back in October. Yeah. You keep You keep coming. Is he on our docket for next month, too? Not next month. Okay. Probably next. Okay. Um, let's see if anybody has a question. I'm going to start on my left. Yes, sir. Mr. Marone, we thank you for coming back here again and being a glutton for punishment for coming before this board. Um, you know, my my question for you and and this is really maybe something that's addressed to the entire room in answering this question, but you've come before us four times now. Is that correct? Uh, three times.

Three times. Um, with the houses that you currently manage around the area, what issues have you had with your renters and and within the neighborhoods in which you rent? Um, I would say also the houses are occupied 40% out of the year. So 60% is quiet versus a long-term rental which is you really don't have any control on no you can't tell them, hey, you know, keep it down or you're kind of limited. It's it's a lot harder to a big the long-term renter than it is to% short-term rental is uh yeah, if there's something major that happens, we we kick them out, which never happened. So we have a pretty good vetting process and

and I know m Mr. Jordan down here will will ask this question. So I might preempt him in it. Actually, I wasn't thinking of a question, but go ahead. So, well, I'll put this one out for you, but um in this particular instance, you're willing to give your phone number. It's also on our website. We have a phone number there. Yeah, absolutely. Okay. No problem. I I will add regarding the neighborhood, Terrabrook. Um

so the way they constructed the neighborhood is two parallel streets. One goes to Riverland, one has to go to Bradam to get out to Riverland. That's how they the source of traffic on this street is this neighborhood because if you pass the neighborhood, you know, the cut the funnel to get to the neighborhood, which is pretty much at the beginning of Bradom, there is no traffic. It's all half an acre to one acre lots, uh, some tear downs, um, very quiet street. So, and I've been driving there every single day in the last three months. Did you build the house? No, I just bought it when it was on the market already. Okay. Yeah. How long have you owned it?

Uh, three months, I think, give or take. Maybe I don't have any other questions. Okay. Any more questions on my left? Yes, sir. Um, I believe you answered this in the previous case, but I don't remember the answer to the question. Uh, you live in this area, West Ashley Lee. My daughter lives in James Island, right? And approximately how far from this particular property do you live? 25 minutes. 25 minutes. So your intention would be there's any problems with this property, you would you would personally handle it and and the property and deal with it. We're on 24/7. Yeah.

And to restate what I think you said you were willing to give your telephone number to all the neighbors in case there's something that Absolutely. Yeah. All right. Thank you. Uh yes, sir. Hey. Uh, two questions. How many property are you owner manager of these properties or you have another company? I'm also owner through an LLC, but I mean I'm the right I'm the only owner. And how many properties that have either short-term or extended stay rental uh that have been approved by this body? How many properties? Three already got approved. That's the fourth one.

And you built you bought this property uh with plans to make it a short-term rental. I mean, that's what you want to have. Okay. Thank you very much. Anyone else? Yes, sir. Um, I remember asking you this question, I guess in October of last year. I would ask the same one. Am I correct for this property? Uh, it's never been occupied. Is that correct? Never been occupied. And your plan is to or what you would propose to [clears throat] do is to have a short-term rental 144 days a year and then the rest of the year it would remain. We don't like to do longterm, sir. We don't like to do long term. So, it's going to stay unoccupied.

I understand. Or you're saying that for the rest of the year it would be [clears throat] vacant. Correct. So there would So any concern about traffic? I'm I'm thinking of it in terms of safety. You may have less traffic if it's 144 Exactly. days a year versus 360. Is that Is that what I'm hearing you say? Yeah. Way less traffic. We're only there 40% of the year. Okay. There's nobody.

One other question. Under criteria 6.8.2C1. uh there was an indication that this may not meet the fully the criteria um being compatible with existing uses in the vicinity and will not adversely affect the general welfare. I asked the first part of it but can you expand further? Uh so we have a pretty big lot. You know this is not like one of the neighborhoods that has a 15t buffers. Um there's uh should be a really good noise mitigation. There's it's a transitional neighborhood. There's a a tear down. There's a a house that is not even I don't even know how it's still up there right across from me. I got a house across the street that has a rooster singing all day. Um there's couple trailers. So, it's like it's like a good mix of, you know, I heard some comments about um the street doesn't have a sidewalk. What street has a sidewalk in in Charleston? I mean, we don't have sidewalks, you know. I mean, this is just good old Charleston uh street.

I don't mean to cut you off, but with the the um uh in criteria 6.82C1, 82C1. The indication is there aren't, and this is maybe I didn't state my question very well, and if I didn't, I apologize, that there weren't any short-term rentals in the immediate vicinity, and that was the reason why the concern of the investigation reflect that this may not meet the criteria. That's what I would ask you to address.

We're eligible because it's the R4 zoning, which allows us to request. You know, I have on Fleming Road. We have one that is kind of like the same situation basically. It's like three minutes from there. Same kind of Are there short-term rentals in the vicinity? I think Cole said in in in a mile from there radius of a mile, there's 13. All right. Well, thank you very much. Yeah, you're welcome.

Anybody else on my right, Mr. Jordan? I just want to applaud you because I've noticed every time you come before us, you've done your homework, you got the answer, you're prepared, and people don't realize I I don't think for the most part how much we appreciate that. It helps our job quite well, and I appreciate you. I think you're a role model to other advocates. Thank you. Yeah, Mr. N. So, we may have set an unfortunate precedent for you with the previous case that was before us. Um, in in this instance, would you be willing to accept 100 days as well? Uh, just so we can keep it consistent with the previous case.

The problem is 100 days just don't work. We already limited to 144. We pay 6% property tax versus everyone else who pay four. So, it's triple the property tax. It's a fair point. What's your What's your website? Sunissstays.com. Suniss. Sun-kissed su n uh su n Yeah. K i s sunissed-stays.com. Yeah. Space. Yeah. Space. Stays as ins. Okay.

But most of our bookings come directly from Airbnb and VBO. Okay. So like information k I ss-st a ys.com. Correct. Okay. And you said your phone number is listed on that? Yes, we have a phone number. Yes. Okay. And you have hours? We're 247. Try us. Okay. All right. There was another Yes, sir. Just following up on Mr. Jordan's question. Did you reach out to the uh Teragard HOA um after you got this information since you were so prepared? I didn't reach out because it seemed like there were kind of

But you didn't reach out or talk to the HOA. don't think that in my opinion my location all the way down to the end of the street has any interference with their neighborhood. I was just asking if you reached out to them or the 40 homeowners. Okay. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Okay. Anybody else? Okay. Thank you for your time. Thank you. Do we have anyone else to speak in favor of this application? Do we have anyone to speak in favor? I know the room is getting shorter here now. Do we have anyone to speak in opposition? Mr. Mr. Grimes, you coming back up? Please state your name and address for the record. Mr. Grimes. Yes. Richard Grimes, 2097 Terror Brook Lane.

Please tell us why we should deny this application. Mr. Grimes. Uh, yes. Well, first I'd like to say that one of the things that we've been underemphasized so far is the change in the character of our neighborhood as a residential R4 neighborhood. Y

and having a hotel type experiences uh we think would help would would change that. Uh now again the um this is not a request by a neighbor to host guests like the last person host guests in their home. It's a request from a corporation uh to operate highintensity lodge a lodging facility. This house which was only constructed months ago seems to have been well maybe it's not. He said it's not constructed as a commercial investment and it is clear that it will not be owner occupied. It's required to not be. Um your staff uh the BCA staff uh research confirms there are currently zero short-term rentals on Bradom Road. Uh and because the owner will not be present, staff explicitly noted that quote may not fully meet compatibility standards. To us, that means an absentee owner cannot ensure peacefulness of the community required by the ordinance. Furthermore, a special exception for an extended home rental as opposed to limited um removes the Well, finally, the the infrastructure cannot handle this. Bradam Road, as has been stated, uh has drainage ditches on both sides of the road, has no sidewalks, has no street lights, and is as an aside why the county continues to neglect this uh older neighborhood is shameful, but another matter for another board, not for you. uh introducing rotations up to 10 guests uh per you know in this house increases the traffic on a road where children from both Turbrook Lane and Bradom Road walk to and from Murray Lasain Montary School is

also an additional safety hazard. So we respectfully ask you to deny this application. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. Let me see if anyone has a question for you. U Mr. Jordan. Uh, no. I thought of something else. Oh, I do have a question. Yes, sir. I believe that the gentleman said he had not reached out to your group. Correct. So, how does that how did your neighbors feel about that? Yes. About them not reaching out.

I I think uh I don't I don't know what they feel about it. Uh I I don't know how I feel about it. I hadn't thought about it too much. Uh, we just saw a sign put up around December 12th, I think, and nobody paid much attention to it until we got the next week, and I started having neighbors talking to me and saying, "What does this mean?" And that's when I took a short course on what's going on. And um, and we started looking at what this might mean for us. And I did want to say, while there's uh 40 votes, uh, just because it was the holidays, I know we would have gotten at least 59. Uh and uh and then the other comment about this is that uh there are three uh homes uh I believe this is true on uh Terbrook Lane that are in the county and they all voted against this uh particular measure. And

how long have you been at your home? How long have you been at your home? In my home, five years. And how many new new houses has there been new houses built since the you got there on Bradom Road? Yes. And there's been uh one on Terbrook Lane. Uh there was one empty lot left from the developer 15 years ago. And then there's uh uh three or four new homes on Bradom Road to replace. So every time they build one, that just breaks more traffic in the area, right? [clears throat] Yeah. And we don't mind if a couple with their family comes. We don't we know that ain't traffic logical. [laughter]

Why is it okay for more traffic for people live there all the time as opposed to someone just going short term? What is the real difference in the traffic? Well, my my in this particular case, if you have 10 guests, you probably have five cars. You add five cars to the neighborhood and they can't park on the street. They have to park in the Well, it might be two cars the next round. That would be great. I don't I I mean it's unpredictable from my perspective or from our perspective. What we know is that this is just changing the character of the neighborhood to something different than what we thought we moved into.

And uh that's the that's the other thing safety and the kids walking back and forth to school and there's transient people coming and going in these homes. Uh you know that's of concern to us as well. Reason why I ask you is because uh I try to be very fair because of the fact that there's a short-term rental in front of my house and I didn't understand and wouldn't wasn't exactly sure about it, but I have to be truthful about it. Never had a complaint. So, I tried to lift listen to both sides fairly. That's why I was asking.

Well, I I'll respect with your experience. uh you know better than me and if you decide you know that it's probably that these are imagined problems uh that would be your decision and I would hope you would be right. Uh thank you. Did anyone else? Yes sir.

Thank you Mr. Chair. So, the applicant made a a interesting uh point that if this is denied um that he could well, he's applied to have 144 days occupation of the residence by short-term residents. So, the rest of the year is going to be sitting there vacant. So would the HOA or I know you can't speak for the entire HOA, but would your your your knowledge of the people that were opposing this application because of the character change of the neighborhood, would you rather see um the home sit there empty for half of the year or better part of the half of the year or would you rather um I mean I know you're opposed to this application. I mean, you you don't think it's better just to let it do it for 144 days and let it sit empty with the less traffic because I mean, there's a pretty good argument that says the traffic is going to be very little uh for the other period of time from 144 days to 365 days. But you think the changing of the character of the neighborhood for those 144 far exceeds what should be done here? Is that what you're trying to say? I'd say I'd love to see him sell it to a nice young couple who are raising children in a residential neighborhood. The fact of uh the the amount of time it's open uh or is not occupied means it's less security in the neighborhood I believe because it's an opportunity for people to break into it or do other things like that.

So you're really just against the commercial aspect of the and that's what's changing the character of the neighborhood joining neighborhood. I mean, this would be people rotating in and out all the time apparently. Uh, you know, taking vacations and coming in. I I don't know. Okay. All right. Thank you very much. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Anyone else on my right? Back on my left. Thank you so very much for your testimony. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Grime. Do we have anyone else to speak in opposition? Okay. Um Okay. Come on. Yes, sir. I'll get to you next, sir. in the sweater. Please state your name and address for the record.

Yeah. Again, uh Steve Slokum, 21105 Bradom Road. Uh again, from the the safety concerns of the traffic and I know there was a question about no lights, no sidewalks, no nothing. It's another case for another time. Please let me know how I can address that because it's it's brutal. It is really brutal and especially with you know as opposed to the last housing up to 10 guests up to 10 cars possibly up to five additional cars. While they are not going to be there all the time it's going to be people who do not know that road. I have to drive down that middle of the road whenever I'm driving in at night because it is tight. I don't want to hit another car if there is one parked on there on the road which there hardly ever is. But we have neighbors across the street right now who had people over for the holidays and there's still a car parked out in front of my driveway. I almost hit it every single day. But from the pedestrian traffic, yes, that is a major concern. The noise complaints for a 10person house with the proximity to downtown, proximity to the beaches. As a 35-year-old male, I can only assume what's going to go in there for some cases. But, you know, along with that, I think we we pointed it out earlier and and something that, you know, I took major offense to was the street has tear downs on it. Those are our neighbors. Those are our friends. Those are people who actually live in our community and give back to our community. And calling them tear down houses or people who have lived there for 60 plus years. I take major offense to that. And that's, you know, I know that's not part of the reason or facts or figures here, but this is our neighborhood. This is our community and I don't want you people coming in and out of it making a difference to what it is today. [clears throat]

Okay. Thank you so very much for your testimony. Let's let me start on this side. Do we have any questions? That's side. Yes, sir. I just want to ask the same question that I asked the other gentleman from that that neighborhood. I mean, the the argument there that the applicant is making is that it's only 144 days versus 365 days. Um, and you have you're in opposition to it being a commercial entity and that's what's your major opposition besides traffic seems to be that it's changing the culture of the neighborhood and that's what you're really opposed to. Correct.

Culture of the neighborhood, but you know, again to a safety issue, knowledge of the street, I think that that also has major play into it. The uh end of the road is zoned for a county park at some point or another. Um, there is going to be, you know, potential for more traffic there as well, but there is still no sidewalk. There's still no way that people can get to and from it safely. And again, I think this is another argument for another time for a different board. But, um, yeah, I I really want that neighborhood to stay what the neighborhood is today. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chlo, you had a question.

Well, I was just thinking I would like to ask a question and I want to thank you again for your presentation. I live, as you know, I live on the Isisle of Palms. Uh we have seen our neighborhood go or our community go from a community neighborhood where you knew all your neighbors to now it's a rental community, more than more than half people uh on our street are are renters. Um, be that as it may, one of the things that I'm thinking about that if you could help me help me help you or at least address.

Sometimes you're better off having uh short-term rentals because they come and go rather than having a bad neighbor 365 days a year. [laughter] Uh, if you know what I mean. We we've had great ones, but some of my neighbors haven't. Of course, you get some bad renters and then they're gone. very very few because it's pretty expensive, but we get some. How would you address this for, you know, having you might you might get somebody you don't know, um, but they're going to be vetted for criminal purposes through VRBO, but having a bad neighbor, 365 versus maybe one one a year. Fortunately on my street, we haven't had any bad ones, but

u how would you address that?

Yeah. No, I I think that's a great question and you know this my my third house that I have owned. Um I've had very few bad neighbors and every community that I've moved into is very close-knitted and at least it's a place where you have a question or a problem with someone, you can go and talk to them. Again, this could be a circumstance where you can't and I completely understand where you're coming from there. But I'd rather have the ability to walk directly across the street, talk to them, sort it out that way, rather than having to call a management company, wait 30 minutes for them to come, have to rely on like the police, whatever it may be. Um, just being able to handle it myself would for someone I actually know and have had a conversation with before would be great.

Okay. Um, I I was smiling because one one time I was thinking uh when we lived in Columbia, we had a we had a neighbor who decided he was he he pretty bad to drink, but he decided to put a sink of well in his yard so he could have branch water through his with his bourbon and there was no talking to him at all. I just mentioned that in passing, but thank you. Thank you so very much for your testimony. Thank you very much. We had one other person, I think. Sir, did you want to make a statement? and please state your name and address for the record and please tell us why we should deny this application, sir.

Okay. My name is Thaddius Smith. I live at 2030 Terror Brook Lane in the county, not the city. Um I [clears throat] am the vice president of the HOA of Terror Brook Lane. By the way, thank you. I heard something that you haven't you've only heard from one um one person on the board. Um, I was wondering is it 301 that has homes in the city and county? That was a limit like there was a limit. So, how many? So, just go ahead and state your reasons why we we don't typically ask questions like that. Go ahead.

Okay. Um, my backyard looks at the elementary school, so I'm going to be seeing all the traffic. Um, you know, we're already push pushing out local residents like the lady back here now with these homes that are getting rebuilt. That's because they cannot afford the taxes and everything like that. I want to know by this gentleman, is the management company required to even return our calls or return our requests or even talk to us? because I've known of many management companies that have stated, "You're not a part of this neighborhood. You're not a part of my management company that I don't need to talk to you." So, I'm wondering if that's going to be the case for us in our neighborhood.

Um, you know, now we have one does it now, they can do it, two other people are going to come in, they're going to do it. In Georgia, this is a nightmare for people because all the homes, including subdivisions, have been taken over by companies and the residents there feel the same that it's bless you.

It's pretty insane. Um, but that's my thing. you know, if one person does it now, it's going to be two people and three. You know, it's just I think it's observe, you know, that you guys aren't even seems like not listening to the people who are here and to the signatures that we've gotten. So, I just would like you guys to reconsider that. But there's a reason why there's been a limit to 14 45 days. But now there in the whole um city and county, I believe there was a limitation when Park Circle had these problems um to how many homes you're able to approve. So if that's true, I'm wondering why are we still continuing to approve these homes? You know, there is obviously a reason why these homes or there is a limit on how many homes in the city and county are supposed to not exceed unless they're approved. Um, Park Circle, like again, they did away with all their Airbnbs and rentals because of the problems of the neighborhoods they were having.

Okay. Well, thank you so very much for your testimony today. Um, if you hold on one moment, let's see if anyone had a question. But before you do, um, no, I won't do that. Any questions to my left? Yes, Miss Smith. So, I'm from Park Circle and they have not outright banned Airbnbs, but they do have a hard cap and no new um Airbnbs are allowed. But my qu my question to you is why do you think that they um can you articulate why do you think they put that cap in place and the negative effect that it had on on the neighborhoods?

Why it's negative? It was a positive outcome of why they put a cap and it was for reasons of the neighborhoods deteriorating, nobody taking care of the homes because they're gone vacation or they don't live at the actual house. You know, I've been in Airbnbs and I'm in Park Circle and I see how awful it is in these neighborhoods. So, I if I were to I was eventually going to move to Park Circle, but the reason why we didn't was the up and coming and now seeing it, I definitely would have moved out of there. And now we moved into a home where there are no Airbnbs within the neighborhood or my road. And it's it's going to turn into the same thing. I believe Miss Park Circle.

Did that answer your question, Miss Smith? Yeah. [laughter] Yeah. Thanks. Yes, sir. Mr. Jordan, I got a question for Did you say you are vice chair of your neighborhood association? That's correct. I'd like to applaud you for that because I too live in North Charleston and I was head of my neighborhood council for 16 years. Nice. And the only way I got out of that was to be agree to be vice chairman. That became nine years. After that, I quit going to meetings. I applaud you because we need young people like you in North Charleston. Okay. I appreciate that. [snorts] Go ahead.

Yeah. I'm going to ask them the same question that I asked the other homeowners. So, the the situation here could be you would you're testifying that you would prefer to see this home used as a regular even if it was a 12-month around rental property because the owner has bought the property. He can use it for somewhat what he would rather what he wants to his preference is to use it for a extended home rental for only 144 days out of the 365. But you're opposing that because you would rather see it some type of either owner occupied or residential or a rental for the whole year instead of being commercial establishment for 144 days and empty the rest of the year. Is that correct?

No, it's not necessarily I I don't look at it that way. Growing up, my parents had three homes, one in Florida. Um, well, a couple in Florida, one up in Ohio. And those were vacation homes. We took care of those homes because we own them and we didn't want anybody else in our house because of reasons of parties, you know, guests that we have no idea who are in our homes, um, not taking care of the home. And that's exactly what's going to happen. But someone who owns a home and takes pride in ownership, they take more care of it than when they live outside of the state or they're on vacation all the time.

All right. Well, hold on. I'm going to stop you because you're you're going on a subject. Maybe I didn't frame my question right. The the choices here is the application is for him to occupy. He doesn't have to occupy for the home to be used as an extended rental for only 144 days and then the rest of the time it would be vacant. So you're not a you're opposed to that so that it can he can use it another way whether and most likely he would end up renting it out for the whole year as a regular rental month to not a month-to-month rental but just a somebody would a college student or a nurse or somebody a family would rent it for the whole year and be residents of your community they just would be renters instead of owners right

I just think it should be a family home okay that's you know, as a single resident. If he chose not to be there for that long amount of time, then you I'm sure, okay, you know, Airbnbs didn't exist. There's a problem why or there's a reason there's a problem with them in Park Circle. All right. I I don't want to talk about Park Circle. I'm talking about here. All right. Thank you very much. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you. I'm going to conclude it at this time. Thank you. Anyone else to speak in opposition time? Yes, ma'am. Sloum 21105 Bradom. Slow down one more time. You said too quick. Sloum 21105 Bradom. Thank you. M

I do just want to bring to y'all's attention the previous home was owner occupied and you only approved it for 100. Why are we considering 144 days for a house that won't be owner occupied? You also mentioned that people will be vetted via Airbnb VBO. Just the renter will be their guests are not. We're right next to a school. Something to consider. That's all. Thank you.

Okay. Let's see if anyone had Does anybody have a question? No. Anyone? Let let me just make a statement. Um because I don't think it is apparent. That is a statute basically. So that's law that we are actually trying to work within the boundaries and and that's what their application is for is when they come outside those boundaries. But we can grant them that 144 days if they're in the law. So that's what we're looking at as long as they don't violate any of these criteria. So u I just wanted to say that and there's no cap currently in place for the county.

Yes. Okay. Thank you so very much for your testimony. Uh I think that was everybody in the room for opposition or was I wrong or anyone else to speak in opposition? So at this time sir, you have the right of rebuttal limited to two minutes. My name is state your name and address from 2245 port sideway. I'll just touch on a couple points that I feel like I already talked about. Um but I heard some comments. Um right now I'm the second to last as far as that street and um there's that extension of the county park. There's random people come during the day and park their cars and walk the dogs. Does anybody vet those people? I mean, do we know who they are? They just parked the car and they use the, you know, that park. Um, second of all, um, like I said, the house is only going to be used 40%. So, as far as, um, the amount of extra traffic that we're producing is going to be a lot less. We're paying, you know, three times the property tax. Um, regarding the comment that was said about there's not enough houses for people in Charleston. There's plenty houses to buy for people that want to buy a house. There's also people that don't have the money to buy a house and they need to rent from someone and there's already also that the people that want to come to Charleston and they need a house for Airbnb because they can't book a hotel for, you know, eight people. So, I feel like there's a house for every need. And um that's pretty much it. If you guys have any questions, I'll be happy to uh answer. Mr. Jordan,

and what about you reaching out to the residents? We discussed that before. Can you will you as far as well you see some of them are here and the head of the association is here. So I would hope as I asked the other gentlemen you would you know reach out to him and talk to them and hear their concerns. Absolutely. Of course I'm here. We have um our phone number. I'm I'm happy for a discussion. You know there's no problem. Okay. Because I know I'm in a hospitality business. You know I know the other guy when he walked out the head of the homeowner association went out there. I don't know if they talked or not. That's none of my business. But my point is, how about I talk to him before you leave? Sure. We're we're we're in hospitality, so we're Thank you. We're willing and dealing, you know. Thank you.

Anyone else on my left? Yes, sir. Uh for the months that you're not renting it out as a short-term rental, will you be renting it out for a monthly rental? No, we don't like monthly. Okay. We don't have control on what's going on. You know, people kind of hover in the house for a long time. More damage, more We like when they come and we like when they leave. Short and sweet. You like when they pay though more than anything else. They pay before they come. Thank you. Yes, sir. Now, we heard some concerns expressed about the um the maintenance of the home, the landscaping and so forth. Can you talk a little bit about how you would plan to maintain exterior the home, especially when it's it's vacant? Yes.

Um can you speak to that, please? So, being being an Airbnb, um you have to be at the top of your um performance because when people come, if something is off, they're going to complain and they ask for money back and things like that. So, we have a landscaper comes twice a week, year round. Um pressure wash couple times a year. Houses always look good. All my houses, I got 30 houses, they all look great year round because again, this is a product we sell. you know, if it's not going to look good, people are going to complain. So that's that that goes without any saying. Thank you. 30.

He said 30 houses in the Low Country, Horry County, most of them. Yeah. How many bedrooms does that total approximately? Threebedroom houses. 90. Eight, seven, six, five. Over 100 bedrooms. Oh, yeah. You're a Marriott. Paid over 300 grand property tax. Thank you, Mr. chair. Anyone else has questions back on this side? Thank you so very much for your testimony. Okay, this case is close to the public. Oh boy, I need a break. And do we have any questions of staff? Any questions, staff? Any general discussion?

So, Miss Smith, you going to make a motion? No, I have general discussion. Oh, okay. I'm sorry. I don't too fast. I don't see much difference between this case and the last case as far as location. So I I don't know about doing the full 144 days, especially since it's not owner occupied. It's it's uh just a pure business. Um and we've got a lot of members of the community that have come out and expressed opposition to the case and they're saying that it's going to affect their quality of life and the character of their neighbor of their neighborhood. So I'm not sure about approving this one. Any more discussion on that side? I'm ready to make a motion. Any more discussion on this side?

Okay. So, I need a motion to either approve or deny this particular case. And you said you're ready to make a motion. Yep. All right. Let's hear what you got today,

Mr. Chair. Case BZA 1112500919 2128 Bradom Road. Uh I move that we make a motion for denial um of this application. I feel it is not compatible and does not meet the special exception criteria. Number one, it is not compatible with the existing uses of the vicinity and will greatly adverse affect adversely affect the general welfare and the character of the community. The gentleman we have had much testimony. The gentleman in the application just testified he has 30 homes in the area. Um, I don't know how many are going to be are in this area, but he's obviously in the business and this is a business entity. This is a Marriott Jr. satellite going into this neighborhood and you're going to change the character of this nature. I am one vote of nine, but that's how I feel. So, I don't know if the motion will get a second, but I'd like to put it out there.

So, you base it off a criteria what one one incompatible. Okay. Do I have a second? Okay. We have a motion that's been properly moved and second. Any discussion? Yeah, Mr. Chair, I'd like to make a point. Yes, sir.

Um, you know, been sitting on this board now for I don't know, seven or eight years. It's been quite some time. And when the SDRs first started coming up, uh the the one neighborhood that comes to mind is um is it Teal Lane? They had a we actually the initial application STR that came in today on WildWing Lane was one of these neighborhoods that had a number of STRs come before us uh several years back. And a complaint that we got on a regular basis was it was going to change the entire character of the neighborhood. And in reality tonight, we had testimony in that particular case that it has become an accepted norm within that neighborhood. Um, I do believe a lot of the fears that are expressed for STRs are a bit unfounded. Now, I will admit I'm an avid Airbnb user and I will rent Airbnbs around the country and I enjoy going to Airbnbs in different neighborhoods and meeting a lot of different people. So, my opinion is a little bit flavored. Uh, but I think that a lot of the concerns that are expressed are speculative in nature. Now, that being said, I do believe county council has more of a duty for establishing a limit to short-term rentals than we do on this board because we have to hear each case on its own merit. Uh, so that being said, I would, you know, would probably land in support of this particular application just because I believe the fears are a little bit unfounded. But that's just my that's my point.

Mr. Chairman, I follow up as this was my motion. Um, the test that I that I personally set for uh nimbies, for people that say, "Not in my backyard. I don't want this problem. We hear it at every meeting. I, you know, I'm fine with Airbnb, but I don't want it on this street because X, Y, and Z." When there's a overwhelming nonsup support for something from an adjacent neighborhood, we've heard testimony that there's 60 some odd homes in this neighborhood. We got signatures from 40 of them. the president of the HOA said if he would have been Christmas time he would have gotten closer to 90%. When you got that overwhelming um support for a denial, I have to listen to that and I don't think that there's speculation. I think there's enough out there that they just don't want it in the neighborhood. So that's why I'm adamant about voting against us. I I think there's other ones that can work things out. I would be open to 100 days, but the applicant themselves said the business model doesn't work at 100 days. is Marriott need to have 144 days and make them work. I get it. Totally totally makes sense. It's obviously a very good and profitable business model for him. And I think he's buying up homes in areas that need to be built up and and made nice. So, I applaud him for it. I just think in this case with this neighborhood so close way the traffic is and the streets are, I think it's a no. And that's why I made the motion. And if it goes, it goes.

Right. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Yes. Anyone else? Mr. Chlo, you got something on your tongue. Did you close it? I do. Um I respect what my colleague said. His

his um his first comment uh in making his motion was that because the applicant was a commercial entity versus an individual, we ought to treat him differently. I would respectfully disagree and say we ought to we got to feed everybody out of the same spoon of justice. We can't just pick and choose and say, "Well, you're you're rich or you're you're not or you're uh you've got rental properties in Ory County, but you don't have them." We got to treat everybody the same. So, on that basis, I I can't I can't agree with my respectfully. I can't agree with my my colleague. Um we've got to we've got to feed everybody treat everybody the same. Um, the second thing I would say is that my experience has been when people have short-term rentals, they're more likely to take care of the property than if it's a long-term rental, they're going to be gone in a year. They're not going to take care of it because they have no more interest. That's the second thing. Um, third thing, I'm very sympathetic uh with the concerns about a neighborhood, but I would note that when you got somebody that's there long term, uh, you don't bet their you don't bet their friends uh, and associates and the children's friends as well. So, it's kind of a double-edged sword.

Mr. I'm still thinking

just in response to to that. I I understand what you're trying to say about make it equal justice, but in this case, not only does the ordinance say there's a difference between an owner occupied home versus not in this case, this that's what this is, an owner occupied home. Somebody has more, I won't say skin in the game, but they live in that neighborhood when they are home. Granted, he might be traveling the the first homeowner, but it is his neighborhood and they're going to it's his house in that neighborhood and he lives there. This is a different situation. He's a business owner that has bought this as a business investment and it's a different mindset. And I think that not only does that true in how how this case is laid out, that's that's what our ordinance says as well. There is a difference. So, he couldn't come and get 72 days on his own because he doesn't live there. So, there's the difference.

All right, Mr. Jordan, I see you got your hand back up. That's good. Go ahead. I'm not No, go ahead. Well, I'm not a lawyer and certainly don't pretend to be ones, but I'm just sitting over here being torn about something. I thought I heard somebody some other applicant earlier said they were LLC. So whether it be a somebody owns 30 places or somebody owns one and they LLC well LLC I believe is like a corporation is it not? So see to me you're really stragging on the line there of what's corporation what's individual if it's an individual person only has one place or two places. I think you could argue that both ways.

I I have to chime in on this if you don't mind. Um, there's a difference between being in a county and having a property that has an HOA. You know, that's why you buy a house in a HOA neighborhood because there are covenants and there ordinances that you have to live within. In the county, there are less restrictions most time. And so, when you have a property that has less restrictions, it gives you more latitude to do things from my belief. And we're dealing with a piece of property that is in the county that has less restriction that upbutts a resident in a neighborhood that has restrictions. And I think we have to look at it in that point of view as well. Let's not forget that. Um and and to answer the question about LLC, I have several. and and sometime as an individual you put things in the LLC to give you a certain limited amount of

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protection and and so that's why you would see a lot of that Mr. Jordan and as far as you know the business this person could live in this house for 14 days and call it a resident. They could live there and be owner occupied to some extent and and so we really have to kind of watch how we I like the word that you use Mr. Truslo how we extend that spoon regardless of how long it is to everyone equally. and and and I like that we have to really keep that in mind when we administering this justice that we have and we hold in our privilege. So, um I'm I'm kind of in support of this uh to be honest, but I'll hold the last vote this application. No, not not the motion not to deny it. I in support of the application because I don't see how it's going to affect the neighborhood that it's in the the the neighborhood that that's opposing it is the HOA that's outside, but they are neighbors. It's my belief and and that is a vicinity, too. But yet, I I look at that little line. The county draws line, the city draws line, too. So, that's my thing is nobody here from the county that lives outside the county that lives in that county. That's objective.

We had one. Okay. one you okay he's in the county but he elected it okay but that's just my thoughts any other thoughts comments I appreciate them all so say again motion second yep so we had a yeah did I ask who second it yes Smith okay so we finished with the discussion so we're going to call the vote all those in favor to deny this case at this Um, no. Go ahead. I was confused, but I think I got it.

All those in favor to deny this case support the motion, please raise your right hand and say I. I. There's two. Those opposed, please raise your hand. All right. So, that fails. passes. But the motion My motion failed. Your motion failed. Somebody else has got to make. So we need a motion to I guess on this side to approve. Who would like to make that motion? Or approve with conditions.

Approve with conditions. However, would we have anybody like to do that? You can do it or I'll do it. I'll do it.

Okay. Um, I make a motion that we uh approve this application for an extended home rental. Uh, this is case number BZA12500919. I find that it meets all the conditions set forth in approval for approval. Um, I believe that there are concerns raised uh with regard to compatibility. Um, but I think in in my experience on this board, we've had many issues with short-term rentals. Uh, a lot um have been with people renting uh one uh just renting out a room or they have just one property that they rent. Um and in this case uh we have a a person with experience in m maintaining uh properties who has many properties that are in this kind of community and understands the value of of um ensuring that the product he ha has will maintain his rate rating on via VBO or Airbnb and uh has stated that he will and uh provide his information to neighbors to to um uh report any things that that are inappropriate that happens at the property as well as maintain the property to the standards of the neighborhood. Uh adequate provision has been made to protect the adjacent properties we've talked about. He's has put together a fence and has landscape contractors to ensure that the property maintains its appearance and that it

complies with all the applicant rules, regulations and laws uh according to the ordinance. And my motion is uh with the provision that the conditions set forth by staff will be adhered to. All four criteria. All four. All four criteria. All four criteria. Thank you. Do I have a second? Second. Okay. I I just heard this when I saw you. I heard this. Okay. Have a question. Go ahead. What's your question? Would the motion uh include Would you consider including the motion to limit it to 100 days instead of 144? No. My motion is for 144.

Thank you. You had a question. No. No. I 144 days. It wasn't the motion was was made. I don't think

Mr. I think if we're going to I just don't understand I there's so many similarities. I'm not saying these are two exact same cases, but they're so very similar that it is difficult to support. That's what swayed mine was limiting to 100 days before and to now say something that is so similar. Granted, it's a business. I think it's a that's a negative, but I would support a limit on the number of days. So, I'm I can't support this at 144 right now. So, so every application is different and we have to look at it differently. So, I agree. I respect that. Yes sir. I respect what you're saying. Yes, sir.

This is the same neighborhood similar but different. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Does anyone else have a comment they'd like to make? Okay. So, we have a motion and we have a second. All those in favor, please indicate by saying I and raising your right hand. I That's terrible. All those opposed.

Two. Three. So, it carries. All right. So once again, congratulations sir. Your application has been approved. Within 10 days, you'll be getting information from from our staff letting you on the next steps in the process. Thank you. At this time, we're going to take a five minute break or do y'all need 10? Five. Five is fine. And we will reconvene in five minutes. We have these. I can't speak for everybody else.

deal, but didn't hurt my feelings, but I just happened. And they asked me, "Hey, what's going on at your house?" Excuse me. started.

Okay. At this time, we will reconvene and our next case will be presented by Mr. Hair. He's doing case BZA 11-25-0000920. Mr. Hair. Yep.

The applicant and property owner Thomas Klick requests a special exception to establish a short-term rental property extended home rental at 2125 uh St. Luke's Drive, TMS number 343 uh 0100122 on James Island in Charleston County. The subject property and adjacent properties are located within the lowdensity residential R4 zoning district. According to Charleston County Records, the subject property contains a single family residence constructed in 1942. In addition, the residence includes a one-bedroom accessory dwelling unit um located above a twocar garage, which was constructed in October of 2025 and is attached to the main home via a covered breezeway. The applicant proposes to utilize the one-bedroom ADU for the ER uh EHR use, accommodating a maximum of three guests. The site provides five on-site parking spaces in compliance with the Charleston County Zoning and Land Development Regulations Ordinance, Zeldar. Uh, since the property is owner occupied, it is eligible for a limited home rental permit. However, the applicant has not pursued the LHR permit um option and is instead requesting a special exception to establish a short-term rental property as an extended home rental. Here is the location of the property when looking at um the county as a whole. This is the zoning ordinance section pertaining to the STRS and R4 residential zoning district. The 300T radius map, the aerials. We posted the property on December 12th of 2025. Uh here are pictures of the subject property um as well as the ADU above the twocar garage um and its parking. adjacent properties,

St. Luke's Drive. This is the uh site plan, the tenant notice, and the uh platform. Regarding the three approval criteria, staff stated that it may meet criteria 1 through three. The board of zoning appeals may approve approve with conditions or deny case based on the BCA's findings of fact unless additional information is deemed necessary to make an informed decision. In the event the board decides to approve the application, the board should consider the following conditions recommended by staff. One, prior to the zoning permit approval, the applicant shall complete the STRP limited site plan review process. Two, the use shall comply with all requirements of article 6.8. Three, the property shall not be used as a short-term rental for more than 144 days in aggregate during any calendar year. And four, the property owner shall be responsible for ensuring that tenants comply with the Charleston County noise ordinance. Is there any uh questions?

Does anyone have question for staff? No. Thank you, Mr. Hair. The applicant, please come forward. Please state your name and address for the record and please tell us why we should approve your application. Sir, my name is Tom Cosck and I live at 2125 St. Luke's Drive. You could just pick the mic up a little bit. Hey, you talk. It's Tom Cosck and I live at 2125 St. Luke's Drive. Thank you, Mr. Cosley.

So, I'm requesting that you guys approve this. Um, you know, Riverland Terrace is is about uh there's 800 homes in the neighborhood. We've been proud members of the community for since 2009. Um, all our the the way the uh ADU was constructed was for privacy and you know we put a lot of thought and care into how it was designed where we put windows and uh the entrance. It's all very private and uh fenced in landscape buffer but um it's not going to adversely affect the community whatsoever and it's uh you know within the guidelines and covenants of the neighborhood. So based on that, I would, you know, appreciate the approval.

How long have you lived here, sir? In Charleston? No, in this residence. Uh, this one, 2022. Okay, let's see if we have any questions. Any on my left? Any on my right? Questions? Yes, sir. Did did you construct this for to do a Airbnb or a mother-in-law suite or what what what you what was the plan here and how long ago did you build it?

So we got our CEO in October of 25. Um so we started in 24. The main uh purpose of it was for family. Um my daughter, she's at college. She'll be graduating soon. Um, but you know, visitors, people in town, and then uh that that's the main purpose of it. But okay, we're just trying to recoup some of our construction costs. And you're um you're living there in the main house. Yes, sir. Okay. Are you going to have anybody manage this property or how are you going to how are you going to handle that? We would list it through Airbnb or VBO, but you know, we would screen tenants too. We're there full-time and we don't want

Airbnb and V VBO are just the listing to to get the revenue. Who's going to manage it? Are you going to hire another group or are you going to be there or is this going to be your daughter's first job after college? I would I would manage it. We would do it in house. Yeah. Okay. Thank you very much, Mr. Chair. Thank you. Any more questions? Thank you for your testimony. Thank you. You're welcome.

You may have a seat. Yes. Do we have anyone else to speak in favor of this application? Is there anyone else besid Okay, I just can't see him. Do we have anyone else to speak in favor of this application? Do we have anyone else to speak? Well, do we have anyone to speak in opposition? Do we have anyone to speak in opposition? Okay. This case is closed to the public. I'm prepared to make a motion, Mr. Chair. Okay. All right. Do we have any questions of staff? Do we have any general discussion? The floor is yours, sir.

Mr. Chair, in this in this case in 920, I'm prepared to make a motion to approve the request. If there's ever been a case that called for approval, this is it. Checked off all the boxes. Very succinctly stated. Didn't waste a bit of time. Nailed it. uh for technically we have to state this that u you know there's um that there's been proper notice there's jurisdiction uh under article 6.2 6.8.2 2 C one through three. All the criteria for approval have clearly been met. Number one, it's compatible with existing uses. I'm satisfied factually and legally. It will not adversely affect the general welfare or character of the immediate community. In fact, the the applicants on site. So, and I guess his daughter is on on site. Number two, uh number two, you're not his daughter.

[laughter] All right. Well, congratulations, sir. Um, number two, the adequate provision is made for and exists for setbacks and buffering as testified. Number three, it complies with all applicable rules, regulations, and standards and the intent o of our of our ordinance. I make this motion uh subject to the four criteria that have been recommended by staff. And that's my motion. Did I talk too fast? I hope not. Second. You did great. Okay. Do we have any discussion?

All those in favor, please indicate by saying I raising your right hand. I I unanimous. Congrats. Congratulations. Your application has been approved. Within 10 days, you'll be getting information from our wonderful staff letting you know the next steps in the process. Thank you again for coming tonight. Good night. Oh, thank you Jesus. Our last case for tonight is case BZA 1125-00009 2 1 done by Miss Worker.

The applicant Doug Hickerson of Social at 19 LLC DBA along with property owner Teddy M. Hendrickx of Expressway Center LLC represented by John C. Sullivan of Sark Studio LLC is requesting an extension of the approved days and hours for on-site site alcohol sales at the property located at 1919 Savannah Highway which is TMS number 3500500 57 56 sorry in the St. Andrews area of Charleston County. The current special exception granted on March 6, 2023 allows alcohol sales for indoor recreation and entertainment use with specific conditions. Conditions number two limits sales from Monday through Thursday from 11 to 9, Friday and Saturday from 11 to 10 and Sunday from 11 to 7. The applicant now seeks to extend alcohol sales to seven days a week until 11:59. The 1.39 acre property is located within the Dupont Wapu area overlay community commercial zoning district with adjacent properties to the north, east, and west also zone community commercial in the overlay. Adjacent properties to the east and south fall under the jurisdiction of the city of Charleston. Notably, the properties south of Dumbar Street include multif family residential uses and the West Ashley Greenway. the loca location map of the property, the ordinance requirements, the overlay map, the um 300 foot radius or sorry 500 foot radius map, 500 radius for uh alcohol sales aerial.

We posted the property on December 12th, 2025. Stana Highway, Dumbar. A couple photos provided by the applicant. Site plan, floor plan, and plat. Regarding the approval criteria, we stated that it meets 1, three, four, and five, and it may meet two and six. The board may approve approval conditions or deny the request based on the VCA's finding to fact unless additional information is deemed necessary to make an informed decision. In the event the board decides to approve the application, the board should consider the following conditions recommend recommended by staff. One, the applicant shall meet all requirements of the state of South Carolina for alcoholic beverage sales and must provide proof ofstate approval to zoning and planning staff prior to zoning permit approval to establish the business. Two, alcohol may be sold Monday through Sunday between the hours of 11:00 a.m. and 11:59 p.m. Any questions? Any questions of staff?

Question. Yes, one question. Miss working, when we heard this the first time around couple of years ago now, um same was uh the the hours was that at the request of the applicant or did we limit it as a board? It was at the request of the applicant. Okay. Yeah. Thank you. How long ago was that? 2023. Yeah. Wasn't it? Yeah. I think they came before us. A different applicant, the same location. many many years ago as well though, but uh March 2023.

Okay, I'm getting it mixed up. Thank you. Any questions? Any more questions? Thank you. Yes, sir. Please state your name and address for the record and please tell us why we should approve your application, sir. All right. Thank you. Uh John Sullivan with SR Studio LLC, 104 Fishburn Street, Charleston, South Carolina. Um I'm representing the the applicant. Um this is an he's the uh pending buyer of the existing business there. Um and so um he's leasing, right? What he's leasing what? So pending buyer. Okay.

Yeah. So Charleston Golf is the existing business there. He's buying that business, but the both businesses are leasing the property and it it was granted back in March of 2023 with those hours and he's requesting to extend the hours to 11:59 to better suit the business model. Um the business is not changing. It's a golf simulator. There's four golf simulators, a putty green, a small bar with snacks in the back. And a lot of the business is nighttime business. People come in, watch sports games, get some drinks, and do some golf or come in after golf. And so it's it's not good for business to be able to shut off sales at 9:00, you know, at a start of a game when when that's the prime hours to do that. Um, as far as we know, it's been in business three years. There's been no complaints about that. It's on the the business is on the front of the property. The parking's in front of that right off Savannah Highway. Um so it it's not a detriment to traffic or the neighborhood. Um extending this a few hours those times. I think that's about it. Thank you. Any questions? Mr. Brown, I don't believe I saw it, but is there direct access to the out of the rear of the property? So, in the rear of property, there's a bunch of parking and that is leased to a commercial warehouse next door. Um, there's

but I think there can get out that way, but the parking for this business is in front of the business itself. Okay. Any more questions? Yes, sir. I believe in the [clears throat] uh there was a letter of opposition that we received on this that there was a reference to membership certain certain um privileges of membership with regard to sales. Can you clarify is that misunderstanding or what what was that?

Uh I don't think it was a letter of oppos opposition. I think it was just a question about that. Um the existing business sells memberships and the members can come all whenever they want to in and out but that is but they don't have access to the alcohol outside when it's being sold. So outside of the of what you're proposing after midnight they can't come and get alcohol or anything like that. Yes. It all be locked up and separate. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. It's a good question. Yeah. Any more questions to my right? To my left? Yes, sir. Thank you for your time. Um, [clears throat] does the applicant have similar facilities around town?

No, this is he's had other business in town, but this is his only golf simulator business. Okay. All right. Thank you. Thank you so very much for your testimony. Do we have any Is one other person back there? Oh, okay. I'm sorry. Do we have anyone to speak in support of this application? Do we have anyone else to speak in support? Currently use Do we have anyone to speak in opposition? Do we have anyone to speak in opposition? Nobody's against it.

Very good. The case is closed to the public. Board members, do we have any questions of staff? Do we have any general discussion? Okay. Yes, sir. I'd like to get a motion.

Thank you. I'm prepared to make a motion to approve in this case, Mr. chairman in case BCA uh ending in 921. I recall when the application was was first made almost 3 years ago. Uh I thought it was a wonderful uh plan then uh in your application today sir you nailed it. Once again uh you uh in my mind it provides a unique recreational opportunity for the for the public and will be well served by approval. Technically, this meets all the criteria. The criteria are are set forth by um uh and they're contained in uh article 3.6.5 1-6. All have clearly and convincingly been met. This is consistent with the recommendations contained in the Charleston County comprehensive plan and the character of the underlying zoning district. Uh number two, it's compatible with existing uses in the v in the vicinity. Most importantly, it won't adversely affect the community. In fact, it'll enhance our community. And for that, we wish to thank you or I I think all I speak for all of us. We we appreciate what you're doing. Adequate provision has been made for setbacks, buffering, including fencing or whatever is needed to protect the adjacent properties. There's been an indication that there's a warehouse in the back that's consistent um with what is being what is being done uh where applicable um this property is being developed in a way to preserve and incorporate important natural features. I don't know that's particularly relevant but it's one of the things that we have considered. It complies with all applicable rules, regulations and laws and standards. Number six, vehicular traffic. Very good question was made by my uh colleague. Vehicular traffic and

pedestrian movement clearly on the adjacent road will not be uh hindered. People won't be endangered. So that's my motion subject to the recommendations of staff. Um and that's my motion. There are two there are two conditions recommended by staff and I would incorporate that in my motion. Okay. Okay. Do I have a second? Okay. Thank you, Mr. Brown. Any [clears throat] deliberation? Very good. All those in favor, please indicate by saying I and raising your right hand. I I.

It looks unanimous. Sir, your application has been approved. Within 10 days, our staff will uh give you some great information about moving forward in the process. Thank you and good night, sir. Mr. Chair, it's working. It's all on you. I I have a question also for for staff or how to go about something. May I ask quickly, please? So, we keep seeing Can I

We're going to keep seeing more of these short-term rentals, whether you're in favor of them, whether you're opposed to them. I know we take each one one by one and and I'm not the voice of the I mean I'm just one person but you know how can we if the group would like to send a message to county council to say every other municipality in the area has a cap whatever that percentage is whether it's 10% 5% whether it's done by districts by neighborhood I mean we need some guidance here if we're going to have more and more of what we've had tonight and I mean we're all going to take application by application, but it sure would be nice for have county council to say, "Okay, we don't want to have a cap, okay, then vote it down." But if they do want to have a cap, instruct us because I don't think they're getting the message of what we endear every single month. And tonight, we had four or five of them. That's just my I would like for us to send a message to county council, but I'm not going to make a motion for it. But how do we how do we handle that? Chairman,

you make a motion. I'm going to ask Mr. Huji. sits on the council. Well, so no, I I don't sit on council. Well, what I would say is county council, they they haven't made it an issue. So, I think they I think by not putting a cap, they're telling you that they don't want a cap. Yeah. One of the problems with a cap with us being unincorporated is then you'd have it would be very lopsided like James Allen's already got most of them. You see what I mean? In the couple in East area. That's what I was saying. Maybe it'd be so lopsided.

Maybe they could do districts or maybe they need maybe they need a presentation of how many short-term rentals and extended rentals are out there. I mean, I don't sit on county council, so it's not my not my vote, but I just I think they're missing the amount of information that we see and the predicaments [clears throat] that they put in front of us each time. But I mean, I'll I'll talk to my local county councilman and that's fine. But I mean, I think

the James Island County Council person should should be unaware of what's going on. And it's only going to get worse. It's only going to get worse in Edestto. It's only going to get worse up in. And we should be looking at this. I think some of the more dense areas like James Island that are more developed and have better infrastructure, sidewalks, wider streets, all that. Street lights, all these things that tie into all of this are better suited for these than some of these more rural, less developed areas. And if there was something to say one was more appropriate or one type of area is more appropriate for these, [snorts] it's really hard to get them in the rural area. You have to be bonafideed agriculture.

Well, well, sure. But I mean I mean more like this less dense neighbors. You know, your properties are an acre, half acre and it's a little bit different character like this neighborhood that we were dealing with tonight. If there's a it would be nice if there was some more guidance in the zoning that instead of just blanketed, maybe our chair and vice chair can make a presentation with staff, the county council. Y'all should put something together for us. [laughter] I like that. I'll make a motion. Council member that was on this board for a long time that saw a lot of these cases and he still has not elected to make it an issue. I've

I've had some [laughter] I've had some conversations with them as well and I mean it's outside of the individual application that we hear here. It's it's not a huge deal in the county. Now, there are some valid concerns about um you know, property values rising faster than the average homeowner can buy partially due to some STR. Yeah. Like that guy

issues. Yeah. I mean, that that that is a valid concern and it would be nice for county council to address it. We have to hear each case as it comes. And the Riverland Terrace one is another good example. I wish we would have thought of that instead of Riverfront. Um, but you know, Riverland Terrace, we used to get bukoos of people coming out against it and now either they're beat down and they're just like whatever we giving up, they're going to pass it anyway or the issues just aren't as big as people make them out to be other than the property values increasing because of the investment aspect. I didn't mean to take up time. I just it's it hits us long term time. Mord as well.

Yes. I'd like to say that I applaud you for bringing it up because I was going to bring that up months ago, but didn't know how. And I just heard what was said about this county council and all that, but I think we owe it not only to this board present and future members, but also to the applicants out there in the world and also the neighborhoods. If we can't make them do anything, which I'm not even suggesting that, why can't we at least draft something as a board, which is discussion of our experiences, our concerns, and what we suggest to recommend. Now, that wouldn't hurt nothing, would it? May maybe in a time in the future, this board will ask staff to um put together something that says

I mean, you brought the subject up. Why don't we why don't we do something? I don't think we're going to agree on the last as the last item of Are you volunteering the draft something at 7:00 spearheaded but I but I'm not a lawyer. Yeah. And I was going to let you know too that um we did find out the Edgewater case the one the duplex that your decision was actually overturned. So don't you think we should? Yeah. Overturned. Yeah. So we're going to review the order the judge's order with seagull on Friday. What's wrong with expressing our experiences and what I missed the conversation? What was that one again? [laughter]

Send something to county council and tell them something upgraded or changed. Why just call Jenny? That was the one with the um zoning business license or something presented to the county. I'm pretty Jenny. I can't remember. I can't remember. Yeah, it had two curve. forgotten who appointed it was duplex. Mhm. Oh wow. Yeah. Yeah. I've never really met No, that was a couple months ago August. I don't remember it. I mean I remember it but I don't remember the res. It was August 4th. Um

I think it was August 4th and it was uh property on Edgewater Park. So y'all hear what's coming back next month? going to call me and never this is a big deal coming back next month. What she's talking about. Oh, it's not coming back. Y'all listen. They re they decided that your decision was wrong, which I've never seen that before. They overruled the BC. They overruled. Correct. Circuit court did. Yes. So, remind us again. [laughter] We're not going to do nothing.