County Council - Regular Meeting

Thursday, August 27, 2026

Charleston County Council extended a 24-month moratorium on major subdivision applications in historic districts and approved CARTA's request for eminent domain to acquire land for the Lowcountry Rapid Transit project, despite significant public and council debate regarding the fairgrounds property.

About this meeting

Government Body
County Council
Meeting Type
County Council
Location
Charleston County, SC
Meeting Date
August 27, 2026

Transcript

200 sections

0:01Speaker 7

All right, we're going to move into our public hearings, starting out with Item 1A, Extend Moratorium in Historic Districts.

0:10 – 0:48Speaker 23

Notice is hereby given that Charleston County Council will hold a public hearing on Thursday, August 27, 2026, at 6.30 p.m. regarding an ordinance amending the Charleston County zoning and land development regulations ordinance number 1202 at Chapter 8 subdivision regulations in Chapter 21, the Code of Ordinances of Charleston County, Section 21-6 subdivision plat application reports to provide for a temporary moratorium for 24 months on the acceptance and processing of major subdivision applications in Charleston County historic districts.

0:50Speaker 15

We have four speakers. The first person is Thomas Tisdale, followed by Richard Habersham.

1:02Speaker 9

Good afternoon. Just a simple request that whatever moratorium extension that my family's property is opted out of it. Thank you.

1:12Speaker 15

Richard Habersham, Anthony Bryant, Carla Pinckney.

1:20 – 3:06Speaker 24

My name is Richard Capucham. I'm at 2938 Bennett Charles Road in the Phillips community. First, let me thank the staff who's doing the work on the Overlead District. I think they're doing an awesome job, but I think you can have a little more people to help out. And that's why I think that we need the moratorium. It's not that we are lacking, not trying to get it done. It's just the personnel that you have, you don't have enough people to help out. Ten Mile was the first one to do it. And when they did it, when they got finished, we didn't have enough time to do Hammond or Phillip. So standing in the moratorium will be very helpful. So like right now in Phillips, we got four, well, four development coming in. One is a major development. One is 39 houses. that's in the community. And the only reason they got it, because there was on the planning before the moratorium start that you got another property that's got four development, four houses. The third one is full. And another one that he's trying to get permitted for 13 houses. Do you see how many houses that are gonna come before we can get this overlay done? So now, with this extension, it'll help us in the Phillips community, and it'll help some of the other communities, too. Snowden is coming on board. You know, they haven't gotten their historical destination yet. So even when they get it, they can have a limited time than Phillips have or Hammond got. So please extend the moratorium to help the communities out.

3:09Speaker 15

Anthony Bryant, Carla Pinkney.

3:10 – 4:51Speaker 25

Glad to be with you. Last meeting, I will not tell you that Anthony G. Bryant, who's been in the Energy Corporation, was a Rule 77 by a judge out of Lexington County. I live in Lexington County. The Rule 77, it would strike the case, but the issue is 11,000 people have access to e-filing, not pro se litigants in South Carolina. So 3 million people who pay into a court system don't have the same access as our e-filers before us. And that's troubling. The federal court, you can't go forward all the way to the Supreme Court like I did twice in 2019. So that's how I'm feeling. But I don't live in Lexington County. I live here. So send the information to Lexington County while we're at it. The issue simply is this. Markets are brutal. Warren Buffett clearly states that markets are brutal. Now, if you come out of plantation, market's going to be more brutal and Jim Crow. So there's a level of brutality on us via the markets. The government itself has been derelict for years in terms of mitigating that issue, which I talk about all the time. But if the state of South Carolina didn't want to define growth to existing residents, and tourism that undermines all efforts we do here. So we hope that the people who will be going further along in life will not forget those in urban areas and rural areas that are poor and that have the school-to-prison pipeline all around us where they can't be productive in their life, so they won't be at a press conference with the U.S. Attorney General of South Carolina.

5:00 – 5:39Speaker 22

Good evening. My name is Carla Pinkney, and I live in Almodovar, South Carolina. I'm here on behalf of the Ten Mile Community. As established at previous meetings, we're requesting an extension to the moratorium to allow all settlement communities the time to create the necessary documents. specifically for them to become historic districts, to create an overlay, and to create an area character appraisal. This will allow each community to protect their respective settlement communities from overdevelopment. As we've established, and as a reminder, it took 32 months to pass the overlay for 10 Mile, and it took 18 months to pass the area character appraisal for Hamlin Beach.

5:40Speaker 23

This is also in addition to active participation from other settlement communities as well.

5:45Speaker 22

So once again, we're requesting an extension to the moratorium. Thank you for your time.

5:51Speaker 7

All right. Moving on to item 1B, North Charleston City District Easement 4350 Azalea Drive.

5:57 – 6:17Speaker 23

Notices hereby given that Charleston County Council will hold a public hearing on Thursday, August 27, 2026 at 6.30 p.m. regarding an ordinance authorizing the grant of a perpetual utility easement to North Charleston Sewer District on portions of the county property located at 4350 Azalea Drive in North Charleston.

6:18Speaker 7

All right, no one signed up. Moving on to 1C, amend Charleston-Colleton multi-county business park agreement to add a new parcel.

6:26 – 6:49Speaker 23

Noticed by given that Charleston County Council will hold a public hearing on Thursday, August 27, 2026 at 6.30 p.m. regarding an ordinance to amend the agreement for the development of a multi-county business park in conjunction with Colleton County to add additional parcels in Charleston County as part of the multi-county business park. Anthony G. Bryant.

6:53 – 8:25Speaker 25

Very important, I made a public comment, Public Service Commission of South Carolina, in terms of Collingwood County, Santee Cooper, Dominion Energy Corporation, regarding a natural gas plant. And not knowing I was in Lexington County's portal, I didn't jump the portal. I don't know how he jumped the portal, but maybe I did jump the portal. But we're going to talk for real. I did struggle with the BZA with telecommunication towers, so that's kind of amazing I could jump the portal like that. But again, we've got to stay on point. 323 was based upon that, and sitting here with the rate increases here at 325, where our e-filer running for Congress might be our governor soon, was one of the only e-filers out of all the e-filers supporting the effort of reducing our bills, not knowing. That next era, that 12 million people in Florida, right? Combined with 3 million different corporation is going to be coming together in consolidation. Which we have not made public comment as a county regarding the rate payers, 800,000 rate payers at that. Now, I would hope that the chairman and others would find it hard to contact the necessary folk in Columbia, let them know that we want to get free markets. Why can't Georgia Power come in? Why can't Duke Power come in? Why can't we be free market Republicans, as we say, and bring everybody in so I can compete for my business, not have a monopoly come over and have Enron in Charleston County?

8:28Speaker 7

All right, moving on to 1D, Charleston Harbor, Holding Company, LLC, 1998 pilot agreements, assignment and assumption, hotel and marina.

8:39 – 9:19Speaker 23

Notices hereby given that a public hearing will be held by the County Council of Charleston County on August 27, 2026 at 6.30 p.m. before final approval of an ordinance authorizing the execution and delivery of an assignment and assumption of pilot agreements by and among Charleston Harbor Holding Company, LLC, 20 Patriots Point Hotel, LLC, and Charleston County, South Carolina. And... By and among Charleston Harbor Holding Company, LLC, Charleston Harbor SMI, LLC, Charleston Harbor PropCo Series, Charleston Harbor SMI, LLC, Charleston Harbor OpCo Series, and Charleston County, South Carolina.

9:20Speaker 7

Since we didn't have any signed up, we'll move on to 1E, FY27, County Budget Amendment.

9:26 – 9:48Speaker 23

Notice is hereby given that Charleston County Council will hold a public hearing on Thursday, August 27, 2026 at 6.30 p.m. regarding an ordinance amending the 2026 and 2027 budget ordinance number 2391 to amend section 15C regarding the sheriff's salary, repeal section 15D, and other matters related thereto.

9:49Speaker 15

We have one person, Anthony G. Bryant.

9:54 – 11:55Speaker 25

The budget's so important. I heard Teddy Pride made a plea to people to go to their church for $500, $200. Anybody got $200 from y'all church to give to Teddy? Because even in the prayer, his church is off the muscle with his program for years. My grandma would go to his church. And he has a deep concern for the poor and hungry people. And he grew up in Union Heights. Did you grow up there, Teddy? Yeah, you grew up there, right? That's poverty or something like that? Yeah, so you came out of that, didn't you? Yes, sir. Okay, well, so I want to make sure that you understand that Teddy probably was not being disrespectful. But he was saying, put a little skin in the game. And we know that all the churches do a great job in our communities. We're not going to begrudge that. But if we've got to chip in, we can go ahead and get Mr. Weirman to put out an RFP for everybody. We all can jump in and do our part, right? Not just Cajun. Everybody got to do something. We all see people struggling out here, right? So in this budget, here we got Coastal Carolina Fair here. I get so excited about them. I mean, just the fact that they're in here, I can smell popcorn and everything now. And here, y'all in a debate over them, they committed half-cent sales tax to three counties. Berkeley, Dorchester, and all them counties. Why can't they all come together with us and come together with us and do something? So they don't have to suffer and lose their property. And somebody playing the game with a hefty bag. Somebody got a bag. Somebody got a big bag. Now, $340 million, you can lose your $340 million. The Trump ain't passed the money. The money ain't come through yet. So why he got the stuff? And I can smell the popcorn. I'll tell you that. Every time I see that, I think about growing up as a kid, my daddy and my mama riding the car. And we had a nice car, too. My daddy's always dressed fly to go there. But at the end of the day, at the end of the day, sometimes we got to look out for the binyons. We're the vineyards in the budget. Now, if they gonna come y'all from every place else and don't get taxed to pay me down, why don't they get taxed to pay me down?

11:55Speaker 7

I need a little help. All right. Moving on to 1F, James Island Public Service District General Obligation Bonds.

12:04 – 12:23Speaker 23

Notices hereby given that the County Council of Charleston County will hold a public hearing on August 25th, 2026 at 6.30 p.m. on the question of the issuance of not exceeding $11 million aggregate principal amount of general obligation bonds of the James Island Public Service District.

12:24Speaker 7

All right, no one signed up. Moving on to 1G, amendments to the Charleston County Zoning and Land Development Regulations Ordinance, or ZELDA, round six.

12:32 – 12:51Speaker 23

Notices hereby given that Charleston County Council will hold a public hearing regarding proposed amendments to the Charleston County Zoning and Land Development Regulations Ordinance, ZLDR, on Tuesday, I'm sorry, Thursday, August 27th, 2026 at 6.30 p.m. Good afternoon.

12:51 – 15:00Speaker 13

So today we have a couple of amendments to the short-term rental ordinance of the ZLDR. These amendments are intended to clarify the the STRP application requirements related to bedrooms, designated sleeping areas, and corresponding parking requirements. We have received several STRP applications in which the stated occupancy exceeds what can be supported by the number of bedrooms listed on the applications. This is resulting in applicants designating areas such as dens or living rooms as sleeping areas to accommodate additional guests. So this first amendment will clarify how we deal with areas being used for sleeping that are not bedrooms. The building code has certain requirements that must be met if sleeping areas, including bedrooms, exceed a total of five or more, or if occupancy exceeds a total of 10 or more. So this amendment will require that designated sleeping areas are listed in addition to the total number of bedrooms on an STRP application. Now, additional sleeping areas that are not bedrooms can increase occupancy, which is typically controlled through our parking requirements. Every single residence type has a minimum parking requirement for the applicable use, such as single-family detached dwellings, which require a minimum of two parking spaces. Currently, applicants are required to meet the minimum applicable use parking requirements plus one parking space per bedroom. This amendment will require designated areas used for sleeping to also provide one parking space per area. So overall, these proposed amendments will ensure that applicants are made aware of building code requirements upfront regarding occupancy and bedroom thresholds through the STRP application process. So the amendments were heard before the Planning Commission on July 13, and they recommended approval. And then we did not receive any public comments for the Planning Commission meeting, but we did receive two comments in support for tonight's meeting, and then one comment that was requesting clarification of the parking requirements. And then these amendments were notified as required. Thank you.

15:02Speaker 15

We have one speaker, Anthony G. Bryant.

15:07 – 17:07Speaker 25

That's when the robber meet the road. I don't ever hear about no money. We got a residential house. You pay your taxes. Now, are they units? What are they? Are they making money? If they're making money, then they should be able to offset folks in the community who are existing residents. The lower their tax, like economic development, y'all do that? And y'all say, well, that reduces my bottom line, right? So why can't these folks reduce my bottom line? You have an opportunity here to be great. Now, if you're scared to be great, then maybe something else y'all should do for a living. But we don't vote for people not that want to be great. We don't know nobody who ever did politics with Joe Riley. You know, all the great stuff. Everybody talk about Great Park, Churchill. There's everybody else. There's all them other people, then there's everybody else. People want to be everybody else. Raise your hand. Nobody. So quit being everybody else. This is Charleston County. This is Lexington County. This is our county. We don't do partisanship in Charleston. We just really don't do it. We don't do partisanship well here. You know what I mean? Let's get out of that business, OK? Because people are struggling and suffering on the growth and success of our county. We are successful. That's a good thing. Who regrets the success? I hear all the time talking about that the budget has to have a purpose higher than normal budgets. And so what I see every time with this zoning and planning is I don't see no money attached. Hooking nobody back up. Who been here forever? Aren't you tired of being here forever and you looking, you window shopping? Why you can't get hooked up? You know what I mean? I don't want to shop in Charleston. I want to get hooked up. So whatever you do, especially for this group here, they got to get hooked up. I got to go to the fair. That's a part of my life, okay? I don't care what none of y'all say. Whoever y'all dealing with, whatever y'all got going on, don't mess with the fair. That's all I'm going to tell y'all.

17:11 – 17:22Speaker 7

Okay, this time we're going to move into our public comments period. Each speaker is afforded two minutes to speak, and we ask that you all keep in mind the public comments code of conduct that you agreed to when you signed in.

17:24Speaker 15

All right, we have seven people signed up. The first person is Mike Jernigan, followed by Duncan Townsend, and then Art Bean.

17:33 – 18:10Speaker 14

Good evening. Thank you for allowing me to speak tonight. My name is Mike Jernigan. I'm here on behalf of the Exchange Club of Charleston to ask County Council for two things. First, we'd like to ask County Council to require Carter administrators to negotiate in good faith to resolve the legal battle over the fair property. Three years ago, we offered Seekings and Mitchell a six-acre tract on our property at the northwest corner of Highway 78. They told us at that time that they didn't have time to consider our offer.

18:11Speaker 8

After three years, our offer is still on the table.

18:16 – 19:31Speaker 14

And we're still willing to negotiate reasonable terms and get this matter put to bed. Over this three year period of time, much taxpayer money has been spent by CARTA on Myrtle Beach lawyers trying to take our front gate property, which is not for sale. We've made that clear. The impact on the fair and our community will be substantial if our front lot is taken by CARTA. Our two front gates will become less efficient as we turn these lots over multiple times on our busy days. The loss of the revenue will reduce our ability to support our community with public service grants and also our scholarship program. Our second ask of council is to encourage CARTA to negotiate for the offered six acres. And in order to do that, we're asking county council to defer the approval for another attempt by CARTA to take our front property by eminent domain. Vote against this tonight, or at least defer the vote until the legal process has been completed.

19:36Speaker 15

Duncan Townsend, Art Bean, LaGree, Clement.

19:42 – 21:37Speaker 8

My name is Duncan Townsend, and I'm an officer of the Exchange Club of Charleston. As I watched the Live 5 News report last night, I saw Rob Wurman, vice chairman of CARTA, explain CARTA's response to the Exchange Park press release made earlier in the day, and I realized that he is the same man who is about to vote on this county council to pull the trigger on another eminent domain action against Exchange Club Fair. While this arrangement may or may not break any laws, it certainly brings up ethical and conflict of interest questions. It reminds me of a national level problem that we have wherein leaders of the National Institute of Health and the CDC sit on the boards of the same drug companies that they're supposed to regulate. But this gets even more interesting when you consider that Mr. Darby and even Chairman Borgen sit on this council as well as the CARTA board. Members on both boards simultaneously represent three of the five votes in favor of spending another million dollars or so of taxpayer money to sue the exchange park to take by force a specific parcel of land. This will set a dangerous precedent as we know that we're not the only landowners in this position. Please understand that I'm not here to attack personally the integrity of anyone. However, you must admit that this is a problem. At face value, it looks like There are independent boards debating the various sides of issues and looking out for the best interest of the people, when in fact, only a handful of people are driving the ship. Why is it that only a handful of people get to decide that Carter will not negotiate in good faith with Exchange Park to use a parcel that will serve both the public good without damaging the mission of the exchange as well as the 70-plus local nonprofit organization that the fair supports? Please table your decision on this matter tonight and give Carter another chance to sit down with the Exchange Club to resolve this transaction in good faith. Thank you.

21:38Speaker 15

Art Bean. LaGree Clement, Anthony G. Bryant.

21:44 – 23:49Speaker 6

Good evening. I am Art Bean. I'm with the Exchange Club of Charleston. I am the president-elect. Before council votes to authorize Carter to use inmate domain against Exchange Park, I want to raise one fundamental question about this process, and Duncan just alluded to it. A judge has already ruled that Carta cannot exercise eminent domain without first obtaining approval from Charleston County Council. That means county approval is supposed to mean something. It is a separate governmental check before one public body is allowed to forcibly take private property. But today, there are three members of Charleston County Council who also sit on Carta's board. Chairman Boykin, Councilman Darby, and Councilman Wehrman. Councilman Wehrman is actually Carta's vice chairman. And this goes beyond simply serving on two boards. On November 19, 2025, Carta unanimously reaffirmed its decision to condemn these six acres. The Carta minutes identified representatives attending the meeting as proxies for Councilman Boykin and Wehrman. Now, Carta has come before county council seeking approval the court says it needs tonight. So we have members of the governmental body requesting condemnation also sitting on the same governmental body being asked to approve that request. Council Wehrman has even publicly said, just as recent as a couple days ago, that we really already identified this as the best site, and I think we really can't go back now. Then what exactly is county council independently deciding tonight? Before you vote, I respectfully ask the county attorney to answer one question on the public record. If county council is supposed to be an independent safeguard on Carta's eminent domain power, should Carta board members participate in deciding whether Carta's own condemnation request is approved? Eminent domain is an extraordinary government power, and it needs to be properly monitored. Before taking the six acres from our nonprofit, please make sure that you are asking the private property owner to accept it.

23:50Speaker 15

LaGree Clement, Anthony G. Bryant, Katie Zimmerman.

23:55 – 26:03Speaker 1

Good evening. I'm LaGree Clement. Council members, you have an important vote this evening, but please consider the following before voting. First, Ms. Honeycutt. was december 11 2023 when you called me demanding that i remove a social media post to our 60 000 fair followers asking them to email county council regarding carter using eminent domain to take the fairgrounds you claimed county council had nothing to do with that decision tonight you do second mr sass if you recall a couple of months later we were in your office with mr mitchum He stood and threatened to walk out of that meeting when he was confronted with his not-so-accurate recollection of the discussions with fairground representatives. He presented these same inaccurate recollections to the Finance Committee last week, yet y'all still voted to move forward. Again, it was never in agreement with fair leadership to sell CARTA our property. Ask CARTA to show you the document or contract. It doesn't exist. Third, please remember that nearly $2 million in legal fees have been spent by Carta and the Exchange Club fair so far. And the judge ruled that Carta was responsible for the fair's legal expenses because Carta acted in bad faith by initiating eminent domain without proper authority. So $2 million in taxpayer money lost fighting for the right to acquire a parcel that Carta only valued at $1.3 million their initial purchase offer I hope each of you finds this alarming especially at a time when County Council is trying to gain public trust in hopes for a favorable vote for continuing a transportation sales tax a no vote tonight will bring this nearly three year two million dollar turmoil to an end it will force Carter to negotiate It is only 600 yards further down Highway 78. Thank you.

26:04Speaker 15

Anthony G. Bryant, Katie Zimmerman, Paul Sperry.

26:08 – 28:07Speaker 25

You don't know nobody until they get power. See, once they get power, then they turn to somebody else. On a man, a woman can't handle power. He don't know history well. I recommend you read Thomas Jefferson's first inauguration speech. I read that speech all the time. Yeah, brother read that. And I read that to look at a man who wrote with his pen the last thousand years after his lifetime. And if you write something, you think that way. When I die, how it's going to be read, you think different. And so when Judge Graham said I was not worthy as a taxpayer, he is a lawyer. He is a prosecutor in Lexington County, a judge in Lexington County. And he knew in 2019 that an average citizen could not even use a prose litigation in a court period. He striked it. Because I didn't have any power, he thought. But he don't know what empowerment means. To suffer and to go to humiliation is the closest relationship with Christ. You have to suffer, my father told me, to sometime prove a point. You have to be the bridge of humility to the future of other people. That's my ancestral lineage to this country. So I have no problem looking like a fool first, not a genius second. But somebody got to do it. Our court system as it is right now is problematic at best. And we shouldn't pay for something that doesn't function properly. I don't pay for systems that don't work. It's about systems. It's not about who in it. It's the system itself you come into. Charlton Hamilton Houston saw a system and said, you're going to end segregation. That's why I'm here right now. They're a good marshal. They said, I wouldn't be here right now if the world was the way it was. Life as it should be, life at its best, is three-dimensional. Mastering your individual self. Mastering your relationship with groups of people and relationship with God. That's the three-dimensional complete life Dr. King said in the sermon, one of the greatest sermons ever.

28:07Speaker 3

So what are you going to do?

28:13Speaker 15

Katie Zimmerman, Paul Sparrow.

28:25Speaker 1

Hi, I'm Katie Zimmerman, Executive Director of Charleston Moves.

28:28 – 29:54Speaker 20

And I wanted to thank you all tonight. And hopefully I'm not being premature in my thank you. But on your consent agenda tonight, there's three really important milestones that you all are going to vote on. and I don't want that lost in the shuffle with everything else. One is phase one of Rethink Folly Road improvements is finally gonna go under contract, which we've been waiting seven years for this moment. It's a really big deal, and you all should be really proud of that. The other one is the Waupu Road multi-use path that's going to connect the West Ashley Greenway to the Maryville Bikeway. That's something so many people, including myself, have been waiting for for I think it's been 10 or 11 years. And it is actually part of the Ashley River Crossing project. So it's a really big deal as far as you guys are fitting in puzzle pieces of the larger bicycle and pedestrian network. this is really important stuff tonight that i just want to make sure and thank you all for and also the the step forward you're taking on the old town district improvements as well that's a whole other area of connectivity that's related to the north bridge ashley landing what's going on in 61 the maryville bikeway as well so thank you for for moving forward on these things and i appreciate y'all

29:57Speaker 15

I'm sorry, Paul Sperry.

30:02 – 32:07Speaker 12

Thank you. I'm Paul Sperry on behalf of South Carolina Animal Welfare Alliance. I know you guys have heard from us probably the last couple of meetings, but I'll be relatively brief. So, first of all, thank you for working with Maggie Kloninger on the TNR cats issue. That's been great. I really appreciate you working with her. And I know, Joe, I sent you our most updated presentation to go over with you at some point. We had some great conversations, and I really do appreciate that. So I'm looking forward to sitting down with you. So success breeds success. So I wanted to give you guys an update on what we've done with some other jurisdictions over the last 30 days. Mount Pleasant, through our inputs about the readout, their first reading on Monday, the revised animal welfare ordinance, Berkeley County, I've been working with their attorney and with certain council members there. And we'll be meeting with them tomorrow to go over our presentation on their draft revised animal welfare ordinance. That's what we're looking to do with you guys. We just want to have a seat at the table and work with you to update some of the items in the ordinance. You've got great bones. There's just some things where we can put the meat on those bones to help it out a little bit. And not only help our animals out, but also help the folks in Charleston County out. Because ultimately, one of our goals is to put things, not just help our animals, but be more cost effective as far as the end result. Less animals in shelters, less animals we're caring for, save your taxpayer dollars. So that's one of the things we're trying to work with you guys on. Last night at the Republican caucus, one of our founding members signed up four additional representatives in support of the uh rally act the rally act is part of what we're doing at the state level and that is to enhance the criminal penalties for animal uh cruelty that's totally out of your hands like we know that's got to be at the state level so we're not just working on local jurisdictions we're not just working in a low country we have leaders signed up pd midlands upstate to uh meet with uh counties and cities up there so that's our update just looking forward to you guys thank you all right thank you

32:08 – 32:20Speaker 7

All right, well now we'll move into our county council meeting and we'll start with a prayer from Mr. Moody and the pledge by Mr. Sass.

32:20 – 32:42Speaker 5

We welcome your presence here tonight. We thank you for the needed rain and ask you to bless our meeting. We thank you for engaged and passionate citizens who come forward on behalf of their community. We also thank you for our council members who serve their communities and we especially lift up our staff and first responders who keep our county safe. We ask you to watch over our proceedings and that your will be done here tonight. In your precious name we pray, amen.

32:42 – 32:55Speaker 5

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

33:03Speaker 7

Freedom of Information Act.

33:05Speaker 23

In compliance with the Freedom of Information Act, notice of meeting was posted and agendas were distributed to news media and persons requesting notifications.

33:14Speaker 7

Item 2, minutes to approve.

33:16Speaker 7

All in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. 3A and B.

33:23 – 33:35Speaker 7

All right. Any discussion? All in favor say aye. Aye. All opposed? Ayes have it. Moving on to item four, Mr. Moody.

33:36Speaker 23

I'm sorry. Read those resolutions.

33:39Speaker 7

So at this time, is Sergeant Taylor here tonight?

33:47Speaker 20

He's here. He's not here.

33:52Speaker 7

Okay. You'll read the resolution then.

33:55 – 35:49Speaker 23

You want me to read it? Yes, sir. A resolution of Charleston County Council recognizing and honoring the members of the South Carolina State Guard during National Preparedness Month. Whereas September is observed as National Preparedness Month, an annual observance dedicated to raising awareness about the importance of preparing for emergencies and disasters and strengthening the resilience of individuals, families, businesses, and communities. And whereas South Carolina communities face a variety of natural and man-made hazards, including hurricanes, flooding, severe storms, ice storms, earthquakes, wildfires, and other emergencies that can threaten lives, property, and critical infrastructure. And whereas effective preparedness requires strong partnerships among individuals, local governments, emergency management organizations, law enforcement, first responders, state agencies, nonprofit organizations, and other community partners. and whereas the South Carolina State Guard is composed of volunteer officers and enlisted personnel who stand ready to serve the citizens of South Carolina when called upon. to support state and local authorities with preparedness and emergency response efforts through a variety of capabilities including disaster relief, search and rescue, medical support, logistics, engineering, legal services, chaplain and counseling services, communications, and other specialized support. And whereas the members of the South Carolina State Guard exemplify commitment to public service by volunteering their time, skills, and expertise to assist their fellow South Carolinians and strengthen the state's ability to respond when disaster strikes. Now, therefore, be it resolved that Charleston County Council does hereby recognize and honor the members of the South Carolina State Guard during National Preparedness Month for their dedicated volunteer service to the people of South Carolina. Charleston County Council, Joseph A. Boykin, Chairman, August 27, 2026.

35:52 – 36:07Speaker 7

Okay, and at this time, I'd like to invite Ms. Geraldine Minter to come forward, Lieutenant Jean Frazier's daughter, to receive a resolution presented by Mr. Pryor.

36:14 – 38:52Speaker 23

a resolution of charleston county council honoring the memory of eugene frazier senior and his service and contributions to the citizens of charleston county whereas charleston county council recognizes that the foundation of our community is grounded in those who give of themselves selflessly to help others and from time to time has the privilege of recognizing an individual who exemplifies such community commitment and whereas Eugene Frazier Sr. was born to Sandy and Viola Frazier on James Island, South Carolina, on May 7, 1936, and entered eternal rest on August 5, 2026. And whereas Eugene Frazier Sr. was married to Frances Elizabeth Prello for over 60 years until her passing, together they had three children, six grandchildren, and three great-grandchildren. And whereas Eugene Frazier Sr. served in the U.S. Army as a drill sergeant, he later became one of the first African Americans employed by the Charleston County Police Department, serving over two decades and retiring as a lieutenant. Upon retirement, he went on to work for the U.S. Marshal Service as a court security officer. And whereas Eugene Frazier Sr., was a member of St. James Presbyterian Church, serving as a Sunday school teacher, chair of the men's council, and former member of the trustee board. He also served on the organization to preserve and protect African American cemeteries on James Island, Friends of the McLeod, 32nd Degree Mason, past worshipful master of the Sons of Elijah Masonic Lodge No. 457 and the Charleston County Constituent School Board. And whereas Eugene Frazier Sr. was a writer, historian, storyteller, and community activist, his goal for writing was to continue to educate the world on the brutality of slavery and inspire future police officers to make a positive difference. And whereas Eugene Frazier Sr. received numerous accolades during his lifetime, he was known as the hunter bear, enforcer, dogged investigator, always treating people with integrity and dignity. His life of service was dedicated to uplifting and inspiring others. Now, therefore, be it resolved that Charleston County Council memorializes the life of Eugene Frazier Sr. for his service to this community and recognizes him as a faithful and caring servant leader whose legacy will not soon be forgotten. Charleston County Council, Joseph A. Boykin, Chairman, August 27, 2026.

39:14 – 39:50Speaker 10

Thank you, Father. Some of us had to go to work on it. We were excellent. We were well-managed. We were tough when it needed to be tough. But, you know, we mourned him. We lost him. We mourned him. We were in the door for the night, but he always had us in the morning. So remember the memories of that. Keep them alive in your mind. Make it hard. He stayed with us. He worked. So if you have a child at county council, and if you're all willing to say something, you can say something if you want to. Turn around to the audience and you can speak to this council.

39:51 – 42:15Speaker 3

Thank you, Mr. Brown. You're welcome. Giving honor to God, first of all, because if it was not for him, my father would not have lasted 90 years. Not during the segregation era of 1960s. My dad was a pioneer. He wasn't afraid to challenge racism, bigotry. prejudice of any kind. My dad believed that everyone was entitled to the right to life. Everything we said about the flag that you set up, that's what my dad believed in. And if he didn't do it, he wasn't going to stand up and say that he believed in that. My dad loved people. He believed everyone deserved a fierce shot. And he did it. I followed him a little bit, working in both court systems, federal and county. Solicitor's office, federal public defenders, and any power that you have, my dad believed that you use it for good. So in those arenas, every time he had the opportunity, he tried to lift people up. We want to make America great again, Lift everyone up. That's what America should be about. It should be about lifting every one of us up. That's the only way we make it great. I've lived in a foreign country before. I know how they lifted people up. It's not about race. It's about people, loving people, believing in people, and lifting each of us up. There were many men in the county police department, like Chief Walter Gay, John H. Ball. These were men who knew they had privilege, but they understood what my dad was facing, and they worked to help those men, like George Gathers, James Owen. They helped to lift them up.

42:16Speaker 22

Jesse Williams.

42:18 – 42:53Speaker 3

They were pioneers and faced incredible odds. Every night my sister and I sometimes would be pressed against the window waiting to see and hear my dad's car. It wasn't about the people on the street sometimes. So I just want to say thank you, and please continue my dad's legacy. Officers, that's what he stood for. You got the power.

42:55Speaker 3

Thank you very much.

43:13Speaker 7

Ms. Minter, I wanted to speak to you directly. If you'd come up here in just a minute.

43:18Speaker 8

I had the honor and privilege of working for your dad as a county police officer.

43:22Speaker 3

He said your name, Joe Boykin.

43:25 – 43:41Speaker 7

He was my lieutenant, and he was an awesome man. He mentored me. I worked Union Heights and Ackaby and all those areas up there, and he took good care of me. And then I also got to enjoy his company down at the federal courthouse when I was a federal agent and see him all the time and will miss him greatly. And he was so fortunate to have such an awesome dad.

43:42Speaker 7

Thank you, ma'am.

43:43Speaker 3

Thank you so much. Bless you all.

43:51 – 44:04Speaker 11

I'd like to recognize former Councilwoman Ms. Johnson. Absolutely. Thank you for reaching out to me as well.

44:04Speaker 7

Now, Mr. Mooney.

44:05 – 45:07Speaker 5

Thank you, Mr. Boykin. On item 4A, I thank this council for their support. You may recall I had brought an issue to council a couple weeks ago, and we voted to send to the Planning Commission my motion, mentioned some recommendations to Planning Commission on how to tighten up our subdivision policy within our planning department. My prior motion was after meeting with the attorney, Chairman Boyk and Mr. Sass joined that meeting as well. I think we decided that that motion was maybe a little too tight and did not include staff, which was never my intention. Therefore, it also really didn't take advantage of the creativity of the planning commission. So I would like to amend my motion. from that evening to have staff to review and update any relevant internal processes regarding zoning permits and approvals, including subdivision and site plan review applications, and I would further request that staff provide recommendations, if any, to the Planning Commission. Staff should not consider amendments that make requirements more onerous on the applicant than necessary based on the approval or permits sought. Second. Thank you.

45:08 – 45:24Speaker 7

Properly moved and seconded. Any discussion? All those in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Yes, sir. All right. Moving on to item five. Third reading of ordinance is 5A, extension of moratorium on historic districts.

45:24 – 46:02Speaker 23

An ordinance amending... were you you want to wait let her read it first yes okay and ordinance amending the charleston county zoning and land development regulations ordinance number 1202 as amended at chapter 8 subdivision regulations in chapter 21 of the code of ordinances of the county of charleston at section 21-6 subdivision plat application reports to provide for a temporary moratorium for 24 months on the acceptance and processing of major subdivision applications in Charleston County Historic Districts, excluding the Tisdale property in the 10-mile community and other matters related thereto.

46:02Speaker 7

All right, Mr. Kapowski.

46:04Speaker 18

Make a motion to adopt it.

46:07Speaker 7

No, this is third reading. I mean, in favor. So we're going to vote in just a second. I'm going to make it final. Okay. You want to call the roll? Yes, sir. Yes, ma'am.

46:18Speaker 23

Mrs. Honeycutt? Nay. Mr. Kabrowski?

46:22Speaker 23

Mr. Middleton?

46:23 – 47:39Speaker 9

I would simply like to, I know this is not the time for a speech, but certainly I do agree that there are protections that the historic preservation commissions afford for historic settlement communities and certainly I believe the process itself is robust. I have been resolute by saying that the early on the communities really should trust these processes because the processes were there and certainly, you know, almost begging and pleading for the communities to come on board. And so when we find these levels of protections available, The communities themselves have to come to a place where we recognize that government is not trying to take anything from us, but certainly trying to engage and or partner with us in processes that will protect us. So I vote nay on this one, because again, I think that there has been enough time, the process has been available, and certainly with all of the levers available, To settlement communities that can also join in it will further protect them in a moratorium would be redundant Thank you so much.

47:39 – 47:56Speaker 23

Yes, sir. Mr. Moody. Hey, mr. Pryor Yes, mr. Sass. Yes, mr. Worman Yes, mr. Boykin. All right the ordinance passes third reading with five eyes three nays one absent and

47:57Speaker 7

Okay, 5B, North Charleston Sewer District Easement Request. Third reading.

48:01 – 48:36Speaker 23

An ordinance approving and authorizing the grant of a perpetual utility easement to the North Charleston Sewer District on portions of county property identified as tax map parcel number 41113-00004, located at 4350 Azalea Drive, North Charleston, South Carolina, 29405. Mrs. Honeycutt? Aye. Mr. Kabrowski? Aye. Mr. Middleton? Aye. Mr. Moody? Aye. Mr. Pryor? Aye. Mr. Sass? Aye. Mr. Worman? Aye. Mr. Boykin? Aye. The ordinance passes third reading with eight ayes and one absent.

48:36Speaker 7

5C amends Charleston-Colleton multi-county business park agreement to add a new parcel. Third reading.

48:42 – 49:00Speaker 23

an ordinance to amend the agreement for development of a multi-county business park in conjunction with Colleton County, South Carolina, providing for the development of a jointly owned and operated business park, so as to include additional property in Charleston County as part of the multi-county business park. Mrs. Honeycutt? Mr. Kabrowski?

49:02Speaker 23

Mr. Middleton? Aye. Mr. Moody? Aye. Mr. Pryor?

49:05 – 49:35Speaker 11

This has nothing to do with adding a company. Just this... Extended because I know I voted. I didn't vote. I recuse myself on Okay, I'm I okay I Want to make sure I want to make sure for you as well, yeah Well, I'm a recusal yes, sir, I think you do need to recuse yourself on this one before so I recuse myself from it, okay, I

49:38Speaker 23

Mr. Sass? Aye. Mr. Worman?

49:42Speaker 23

Mr. Watkins?

49:44Speaker 23

The ordinance passes third reading with six ayes, one nay, one absent, one abstention.

49:53Speaker 7

5D, Charleston Harbor, Holding Company, LLC, 1998 Pilot Agreements, Assignments, and Assumptions Hotel. Third reading.

50:01 – 51:07Speaker 23

An ordinance authorizing the execution and delivery of an assignment and assumption of payment in lieu of taxes agreement by and among Charleston Harbor Holding Company LLC, 20 Patriots Point Hotel LLC, and Charleston County, South Carolina, whereby Charleston Harbor Holding Company LLC will assign to 20 Patriots Point Hotel LLC all of its rights, title, and interest in and to the real property and personal property. subject to the payment in lieu of tax agreements and all of its rights and obligations which arise or relate to the period on and after the closing date as defined in the purchase and sale agreement under the payment in lieu of tax agreements to 20 Patriots Point Hotel LLC authorizing the execution and delivery of an estoppel certificate relating thereto and other matters relating thereto. Mrs. Honeycutt? Aye. Mr. Kabrowski? Nay. Mr. Middleton? Aye. Mr. Moody? Aye. Mr. Pryor? Aye. Mr. Sass? Aye. Mr. Worman? Aye. Mr. Boykin? Aye. The ordinance passes third reading with seven ayes, one nay, and one absent.

51:07Speaker 7

5F, FY27, budget amendments.

51:11Speaker 23

Wait, I've got E. I'm sorry. 5E.

51:14Speaker 7

I'm sorry. Excuse me.

51:16Speaker 23

The marina. That's right.

51:18Speaker 7

5E, Charleston Harbor Holding Company LLC, 1998, pilot agreements and assignments and assumption for the marina.

51:24 – 52:34Speaker 23

Yes, sir. An ordinance authorizing the execution and delivery of an assignment and assumption of payment in lieu of tax agreements by and among Charleston Harbor Holding Company LLC, Charleston Harbor SMI LLC, Charleston Harbor Prop Co. Series, and Charleston Harbor SMI LLC, Charleston Harbor Op Co. Series. and Charleston County, South Carolina, whereby Charleston Harbor Holding Company, LLC, will assign to Charleston Harbor SMI, LLC, Charleston Harbor Propco Series, and Charleston Harbor SMI, LLC, Charleston Harbor Opco Series, all of its rights, title, and interest in and to the real and personal property subject to the payment in lieu of tax agreements and all of its rights and obligations which arise or relate to the period on and after the closing date, as defined in the purchase and sale agreement under the payment in lieu of tax agreements to Charleston Harbor SMI LLC, Charleston Harbor Propco Series, and Charleston Harbor SMI LLC, Charleston Harbor Opco Series, authorizing the execution and delivery of an estoppel certificate relating thereto and other matters relating thereto. Mrs. Honeycutt.

52:34 – 52:50Speaker 23

Mr. Kabrowski. Aye. Mr. Middleton? Aye. Mr. Moody? Aye. Mr. Pryor? Aye. Mr. Sass? Aye. Mr. Worman? Aye. Mr. Boykin? Aye. The ordinance passes third reading with seven ayes, one nay, one absent.

52:51Speaker 7

Now 5F, FY27 budget amendments, third reading.

52:56 – 53:31Speaker 23

An ordinance to amend the 2627 budget ordinance number 2391, here and after referred to as fiscal year 2027 budget ordinance, to amend section 15C regarding the sheriff's salary, repeal section 15D, and other matters related thereto. Mrs. Honeycutt? Aye. Mr. Kabrowski? Aye. Aye. Mr. Middleton? Aye. Mr. Moody? Aye. Mr. Pryor? Aye. Mr. Sass? Aye. Mr. Worman? Aye. Mr. Boykin? Aye. The ordinance passes third reading with seven ayes, one nay, one absent.

53:32Speaker 7

All right. Moving on to the second reading of Ordinances 6A, James Island Public Service District General Obligation Bonds.

53:38 – 54:05Speaker 23

An ordinance authorizing the James Island Public Service District, South Carolina, to issue not exceeding $11 million aggregate principal amount of general obligation bonds, providing for the publication of notice of the said finding and authorization, and providing for other matters relating thereto. Mrs. Honeycutt? Mr. Kabrowski? Aye. Mr. Middleton? Aye. Mr. Moody? Aye. Mr. Pryor? Aye. Mr. Sass? Aye. Mr. Wurman? Aye. Mr. Boykin? Aye.

54:05 – 54:34Speaker 11

the ordinance passes second reading with eight eyes one absent all right moving the committee recommendations the first reading ordinances second any discussion i'm sorry there's some partials that we put in the names of these that we're putting in because we just did seven i mean we just did five um See, right? So who are the companies that's going to be in there? Because I want to make sure River's Landing is not in this.

54:35Speaker 2

River's Landing is not in this one. It's Cordelia and the Charleston Housing Authority's project.

54:43Speaker 7

No problem. Any further? All right. All in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? Ayes have it.

54:50Speaker 11

One day, Mr. Dabrowski is in there.

54:53Speaker 7

Oh, Mr. Butler-Tarrant. I need to read the ordinance here.

54:59 – 55:21Speaker 23

An ordinance authorizing the execution and delivery of a special source credit agreement by and between Charleston County, South Carolina and CHA Robert Mills Manor LLC with respect to certain economic development property known as Robert Mills Manor Multifamily Rental Project located in the county whereby such property will receive certain special source credits and other matters related thereto.

55:23Speaker 7

All right, moving to the consent agenda, a motion.

55:26Speaker 9

Move to approve, well, are there any that we need to?

55:31Speaker 23

I've got one more ordinance.

55:33Speaker 7

Oh, sorry, excuse me. We apologize. That's okay.

55:36 – 55:51Speaker 23

An ordinance to further amend the agreement for development of a multi-county business park in conjunction with Colleton County, South Carolina, providing for the development of a jointly owned and operated business park so as to include additional property in Charleston County as part of the multi-county business park.

55:52Speaker 9

OK. Are there any on this list of A through O that need to be voted on by itself?

56:03Speaker 5

I voted O out.

56:04Speaker 9

All right. Move to approve 8A through N. OK. Do I have a second?

56:10 – 56:29Speaker 7

Second. OK. Any discussion? All right. Myself and Ms. Honeycutt will be recused from 8M, as in Mary, because we were the travelers. All right. All in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Okay.

56:29Speaker 18

Make a motion to approve 8-0.

56:33Speaker 7

Second. All right. Properly moved and seconded.

56:36 – 56:50Speaker 5

I had a question. I think this was the one that I think I commented last week, that other parties are buying this, that there likely will be a comeback to us next week or next year or sometime. Not that you don't.

56:51Speaker 2

Not that I'm aware of currently, but correct. The Greenbelt program is not involved in this project currently. Thank you very much.

56:57Speaker 5

I'm going to support it tonight, but I will not support a takeout later. Thank you.

57:00Speaker 7

Any further discussion on 8-0? All right. All in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? Ayes have it.

57:10Speaker 9

Hope to approve 9A, B, C, and E. All right. Nope, nope, nope. Not E, please. A, B, C. A, B, C. All right.

57:19 – 57:32Speaker 7

Motions for A through C. Any discussion? All in favor say aye. Aye. All opposed? Ayes have it. All right. 9D. Do I have a motion?

57:32Speaker 9

What you asked for 9D. 9D. Committee recommendation.

57:36Speaker 7

Move for committee recommendation.

57:39Speaker 8

Do I have a second?

57:41Speaker 7

I'll second it. All right. Any discussion? Mr. Milton, I heard you first.

57:48 – 58:40Speaker 9

Well, you know, again, vehemently I am for the LCRT. I would like to say that publicly by vehemently oppose the eminent domain by CARTA. of the property in question. I think that if we are able to allow these parties to work this out on their own, and I know this is a legal matter, so I'm not even getting involved in it. it would be in the best interest of all. I do feel that we've heard things tonight that should concern all of us to an extent, to at least pause and take a step back and come to some healthy resolution on our own based on our internal positions. But I'm not going to support that. Thank you.

58:46Speaker 10

Mr. Milton finished?

58:49 – 1:00:37Speaker 11

Okay. Mr. Pryor. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I, too, like Mr. Milton and support the LCRT, but some of my concerns is we are waiting on $360 million from the federal government. There's no telling that that money is going to ever come because of the way where this war is going on now and all the budget cuts. I just don't want to see... I just don't want it to end up like it was in the Kenhoy area. I think some of you remember when the South Carolina porch was over at Kenhoy, and they forced those people out. And what, a year or so later, they decided, well, we're going to move to North Charleston on the neighbor base. And it was too late to save those people property because they had already bought the property. And there was no recourse for those people. The same thing happened in North Charleston with the port. Communities were destroyed. And right now the port is closed because they don't have anybody operating it. The prices are so high. So I don't want to make the same mistake. What I would like to see happen is, and I don't know, they can negotiate this themselves, maybe just... you know, do a right of first refusal if this thing passed, allowing, you know, the fairgrounds to be, have the right to purchase that property if we don't get the funding from the federal government. And I think it's a win-win for both parties. But if it's going to pass, I don't know if Carter may have to do that when they get back. Because if we can't do anything about it, can we do anything and demand that Carter gives them the first right of refusal if this doesn't pass? I mean, if the federal government doesn't give the money.

1:00:39Speaker 19

I think that pursuant to the agreement, your task is to approve or disapprove the eminent domain.

1:00:46 – 1:01:31Speaker 11

Okay. All right. Well, that's my, you know, I voted no on last week, Thursday, and I'm going to vote no again tonight because those are my concerns. I spoke to Mr. Mitchum about some of these concerns, but I'm just worried about the federal government. They've let us down so many times, and we started this back in 2016, and we still hadn't done the first shovel yet. So I just wanted to be up front. to know that I support the LCRT, but I'd like to see us get as much as we can, because if they buy this property in the fields, does the property go back to the exchange club, or is it on the market for anybody? Now, you don't have to answer that because that's not your problem.

1:01:31Speaker 19

Okay. I just wanted to make sure that you were aware that that is something that the parties could actually consider.

1:01:36 – 1:01:47Speaker 11

Yes, and that's what I would like to see the parties do if this goes through tonight. Maybe sit down and talk with them and do something. And I think it would be a win-win for everybody, even the community. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

1:01:48 – 1:02:47Speaker 21

Yeah, I was just going to say, I mean, to the point that was raised in public comments, it doesn't take a no vote to come to the table and we can make a deal tomorrow. So, you know, I'm happy to be a part of that. But when it comes to improving transportation for this community, improving opportunities throughout the LCRT corridor, improving people's day to day lives, that's what I'm here to do. And I'm not going to be a part of further delay on on this project, which I think is truly transformative. Like you said, councilman prior we've been waiting for 10 years on this this was promised a long time ago and i'm not willing to inject any more time money uncertainty into it certainly happy to work out whatever we can to make the fair as successful as possible i mean we're ultimately talking about a a portion of a parking lot that's still going to be a parking lot i have to feel like there's a a way that the impact can be minimized there. I'm happy to do that, but it doesn't take a no vote to make that happen.

1:02:52 – 1:04:05Speaker 18

I think that the eminent domain is an awesome responsibility undertaken by the government, taking somebody's private land away. What struck me is, although it's a 180-acre property, six acres, it's As I understand, 60% of the front parking lot, and this is something, as our population has grown so much in accessibility, I've worked in businesses or owned a business for about almost 40 years in Peninsula Charleston, and when I started, every law office was on Broad Street. Now I don't know if there's any. It has to do with parking. People won't come there, so they're all spread out. So I do feel that in this situation, You don't look at the amount of acres, but what do we do? And that's the front parking. I feel that take businesses parking where people, especially at a fair, people, you know, with all the traffic to get there and then not knowing if you could park there, it would impact the business. And for me, that's why I'm a no vote. I do feel that would severely impact their business.

1:04:08 – 1:04:57Speaker 5

thank you mr moody question mr samson after that yeah i was listening to mr darby's music um just mute them i turned my thing off i did turn the speaker off as well just mute them mr thigpen um yeah we've heard from from both sides very passionate um you know they both have compelling arguments One of my follow-up questions was, follow-up to Mr. Worman's, was we hear from a lot of people, just move it. It's the same tax map number. Why can't you just move it? Was that originally where it was supposed to be, where they're offering now? I don't know. You tell me. But they said, well, I can't just move it. It's the same tax map number, same six acres. It's just up the road a little bit. I don't know if we asked you that question in council from an engineering perspective. Why not just move it?

1:04:59 – 1:05:37Speaker 4

Mr. Moody, I'm not knowing the... The final details of this, I understand that the environmental document for the project had been completed. If we're doing a road project and we change the design or change right away, we have to reopen that document and go back to the federal government to ask for approval. Sometimes we're asked to do more studies because the area wasn't part of the study that we originally completed. So that takes time, effort, money to do that.

1:05:37 – 1:05:54Speaker 5

Setting aside what the folks said tonight, which was concerning about the legal fees, this was not a listed project in 2016, but I think it was pretty well implied that transit funding was going to be spent for LCRT. Is that your recollection? That was a little before my...

1:05:54 – 1:06:06Speaker 4

That is correct. In the 2016 referendum, $256 million was identified to be the match to the federal grant that they were pursuing.

1:06:06Speaker 5

So like any other wood project listed, we would pursue that? Yes, sir. How much of that to whatever has been spent to date do you know?

1:06:15Speaker 4

I think right at $74 million.

1:06:21 – 1:06:56Speaker 7

Thank you. Mr. Meade, I'll add to this. We had Mr. Mitchum here last week. He further explained, absent the environmental work not being done, that that's where the four lanes go to two lanes, and that extensive work would have to be done to meet DOT requirements to allow any left turns out of there. So that was yet another issue with that other part. So we'd have to widen? We'd have to do road construction and stuff to make it all work. So I'm not sure what that cost would involve. And also, that was $1 million a month for any delays. And we had to, he had to account for where that money was as far as having it on hand.

1:06:58Speaker 7

Okay. Ms. Hanneke.

1:07:00 – 1:08:28Speaker 16

I just wanted to make a statement on this one so that the record is clear when we go to vote. I am a member of an exchange club, so I have to abstain from this vote. I am a huge supporter of the BRT. I think we need multiple modes of transportation in order to relieve the congestion we experience on our roads. It's part of the bigger picture here. But I want to be very clear. I have never told someone to take down a social media post. So to the extent you may have heard that this evening, I want to be clear and on the record. I have had discussions with everybody who would talk to me about this project to try to reach an agreement that everybody could work with. But I am not involved in the negotiations of this. And as a member of council, I feel that my role in an exchange club would prohibit me from taking part in this vote. And I also want to say to Mr. Bryant's point that he raised, I have gone to the Coastal Carolina Fair every year since I was about four years old. My grandfather worked 40 hours at that fair every year when I was a kid. We thought the fair belonged to my grandfather. It was my poppy's fair. And I take my kids every year still because my birthday falls the week that we have the fair. I want to make clear that I love the Coastal Carolina Fair and what it brings to the area and the work that the Exchange Club does. It's a lot of time that they spend, and a lot goes back into the community. But I also feel we have to balance those issues with the needs for additional transportation. So I hope we can somehow get there.

1:08:28Speaker 7

Anything further? Mr. Sass.

1:08:33 – 1:09:08Speaker 17

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I can attest that we all have spent a lot of time trying to work this out. And it's been years and years and years. And my hope is that somehow Carta and the Exchange Club can work together. But I think we're at a point where we have to make a move here. We have to do this. But I'm hoping that somehow that everybody will work together to make this come out to be the best possible outcome. So thank you.

1:09:09Speaker 7

All right. Madam Clerk.

1:09:14 – 1:09:28Speaker 23

Okay, Mr. Darby, we're going to call the roll on the motion to approve the resolution. And you're first, Mr. Darby. What am I voting on? This is a motion to approve eminent domain for CARTA for the LCRT.

1:09:31 – 1:09:44Speaker 23

Yes. Okay. Mrs. Honeycutt is abstaining. Yes. Mr. Kabrowski? Aye. Mr. Middleton? Aye. Mr. Moody? Aye. Mr. Pryor? Aye. Mr. Sass?

1:09:48Speaker 23

Mr. Boykin? Aye. All right. The motion passes with five ayes, three nays, and one abstention.

1:09:56Speaker 7

Okay. Item 9.

1:09:57Speaker 23

That was the last.

1:10:00Speaker 7

90 was on here and it was approved. No, no, I'm just going to say it was requested to be deferred by Mr. Wehrman, so we're not taking it up tonight.

1:10:09Speaker 21

Yeah, we're deferring that. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, for allowing that deferral as well.

1:10:16Speaker 7

Now we'll move on to council comments, starting with Mr. Moody.

1:10:21 – 1:11:33Speaker 5

Yeah, thank you, sir. I first wanted to lift up that nice lady who had a great message for us tonight. Lift up people. Lift people up. That was a good message. I also wanted to thank Mrs. Zimmerman. Hey, we agree. I am with you. The Old Town improvements and Savannah Highway intersections, which bisects a great proportion of Mr. Middleton's district and mine, long overdue. And so I'm excited those are going to get going. And then one thing that I wanted this council, we got a blue sheet this week from the administrator about a Greenbelt project that's been three years old, Ms. Hamm. I'd like to speak with you at some point. It was the 10-mile neighborhood association, the Askew family, who was supposed to repay this council $135,000. That was in 2023. I bet that's probably a little more now. ghosting us, so I think we need to probably take that up from a legal perspective and decide what this council may consider doing. That is unacceptable, and some of those parties have been in here telling us what we ought to do about other people's property, and here they are holding ours, and it's pretty disgusting. So I'd like to talk with you and see what our options are. Thank you.

1:11:34Speaker 7

Mr. Middleton?

1:11:36Speaker 5

No comment. Okay.

1:11:39Speaker 17

Nothing for me, thank you.

1:11:41Speaker 7

Mr. Wehrman? Mr. Chairman.

1:11:44Speaker 18

I'm good tonight, Mr. Chair.

1:11:46Speaker 7

Mr. Hrabowski.

1:11:48 – 1:14:48Speaker 18

Several things. I'm very proud that we finally had the third ordinance and the extension of the moratorium in the historic districts. I think we did something very important tonight to recognize the historical significance of those districts across the county and preserve them in a way that As they say all the time, we see all the everyday things eroding that we love about living here. And we did moratoriums and special things for the buildings downtown in Peninsula Charleston. And I believe that the communities that we helped this moratorium tonight to give them time, and not be overrun by development is equally important. Remember all the blood, sweat, and tears of all the generations that have gone before there. So this is a big deal, and I hope it inspires people all over the county to try to save what's of irreparable importance where they live. Ten Mile is in my district, and I just want to emphasize that if we don't do this, it'd be like vultures descending on them. I've met my wife from McClellanville since 1979. I've been probably thousands of times up that road, and a generation ago, nobody could have even dreamed that development would go that far, and now if you go and East Cooper and Mount Pleasant, where all the subdivisions have now finalized, and Park West, Carolina Park, and Dunes West, this is the next frontier. It's right over the line. If we don't do this in another generation, it all be gone and all the history there and the lives will be changed. But also about 10 mile, I just like to respectfully say, I don't think council members should attack people personally who can't respond. I just feel that is a lack of decorum and whatever the reason. I also want to say we also did something very historic about the property purchase adjacent to Cape Romaine. I'd like to say my father-in-law, as part of the Civilian Conservation Corps almost 100 years ago, worked on Cape Romaine to make it a wildlife sanctuary during the Depression. Every generation has a role to play. They did what they had to do, and this is some of the most pristine body of water, not only on the East Coast, in the country, in the world. So this is something we save for future generations. And like I've often always said, people won't remember any of us here in another generation, but what we've done tonight is a step that all of our children, grandchildren, and henceforth will be able to have this preserved and maintained for posterity. So that's a very important thing. Thank you.

1:14:51 – 1:15:37Speaker 16

I, too, wanted to echo what Ms. Zimmerman brought up. There were a couple of projects on here we've worked on for a long time, and especially over there on James Island, the Folly Road Bike and Ped Project. It's taken a long time to get through, you know, the process to where we can go ahead and put this out for bid. And so I'm very excited because I think this will really bring a lot to that area and our roadway and the landscape. So I appreciate the support that her organization has offered and that this council has. has done to support that. And also want to echo what Mr. Kabrowski was just saying about preserving this land adjacent to Cape Romain. I think that was a historic step toward preserving what makes our area beautiful. And this is absolutely the type of space that we should be protecting. So thank you all.

1:15:39Speaker 7

Mr. Administrator?

1:15:40Speaker 10

Nothing tonight, sir.

1:15:44Speaker 7

Madam Attorney? No, sir. Well, with that, we are adjourned.

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