City Council - Regular Meeting

Thank you. We want to welcome everyone here to City Council tonight. Thankful for people that are in attendance. Thankful for staff that's here. Is your microphone on? Yeah, mine's on.

Crank it up.

The people are really having trouble hearing us tonight. I had two or three complaints out there of people. I don't know why, if it's quieter. Is mine louder than his? Yes, yours is louder than his.

That's because we mic'd you up. You're our sideline reporter.

Is maybe the mayor's just not working?

I'll move it. There. There you go. You must have turned it up, did you?

That's going to be great on the recording. Sorry about that.

She can turn it down. I can yell, but I don't know if the others can yell. I've been told I have a loud voice. So welcome to City Council meeting tonight. Let's make sure that we can conduct business tonight by doing a roll call of our City Council members, starting with Councilwoman Mecham.

Mecham, present. Hurst, present.

Plummer, present.

Councilmember Bangor, present.

Amen, present.

Thank you. So we have two zooming in, they're out of town, and three that are here with us, so thank you council members for being here. We'll start with the legislative prayer of thought by Councilman Brian Plummer.

Thank you, Mayor. I just wanted to say that this is my favorite time of year. I love the Independence Day holiday, and I just love to watch shows that remind me of that. My favorite movie is The Patriot. I try to watch it at least once a year around this time to kind of remind me of how might have been. And so as we approach the 250th anniversary of American independence, I've been reflecting on the principles that allowed our nation to endure both through the triumphs and challenges we've had. The Declaration of Independence, one of my favorite documents, reminds us that our rights do not come from the government. They are inherent and government exists to secure and protect them. Among those rights is the freedom to speak, to express ideas, and to peacefully disagree. Thomas Jefferson once wrote, error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it. That statement, captures one of the greatest strengths of a free society. We do not preserve liberty by silencing ideas we disagree with. We preserve liberty by allowing ideas to be discussed openly and trusting the truth, reason, and respectful dialogue and hope that that will prevail. The First Amendment protects speech, which we agree with. But its true purpose is to protect speech we do not agree with. Freedom of speech is not tested when everyone is in agreement. It is tested when differing viewpoints are expressed and we choose to respond with respect rather than suppression. In local government, we are entrusted with serving an entire community. And that means listening to one another, respecting the dignity of our neighbors, and remembering that disagreement is not a threat to democracy. It is evidence that it is working. As we conduct the people's business tonight, I hope we can do so with humility, gratitude, and gratitude for the blessings of liberty, and a renewed commitment to the constitutional principles that have guided this nation for nearly 250 years. And that's my prayer and thought tonight.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Catherine Palmer. We appreciate that. With those words, if you'd all rise with me and repeat the Pledge of Allegiance.

indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

It's nice having that tourist behind me when I asked to repeat the flag, so thank you for being involved in speaking up with that pledge. Okay. We're gonna do a couple things. The agenda has an open session planned, and I'm gonna do that open session, but I think that I'm gonna delay the open session until we do our presentation from Matt Myers from the South Davis Sewer District, and also discuss, because we have Cole Fessler here from the, while a wildland fire protection division of forestry fired state. So I think we'll get him involved as well too. I do want to mention one thing. There is no public hearing tonight on any matter.

There is one on the budget amendment. There's two.

Two public hearings. Excuse me. Yeah, I went down below that. There is regarding the budget. So there's a public hearing on the budget amendment and on the fee schedule amendment. So when we get to the open session, we'll also have open periods if you're here to discuss those as well too. So I do want to point out that on this agenda tonight, late in the meeting, there was a discussion on the comprehensive general plan update scheduling and process. That is just a discussion if any of you I've been informed that some of you may be here might think that we're discussing the general plan in detail tonight and specifically items in regards to Porter Lane. We are not discussing that tonight. We are just because we've been so caught up with budget and other items These are just setting out the steps and the schedule for discussing the new general plan. It's come back to us from the Planning Commission, and we haven't been able to get to it other than having a public hearing once on it two or three months ago. And so you're free to discuss what you want in the open session, but we have not agenda itemed anything with Porter Lane. So I'm hearing that most of you are probably here for that, and there's not a discussion on specifically Porter Lane tonight. But you're welcome in the general session to talk about it. You know, you keep your comments a couple minutes apiece. But it's not agendaed. We're not going into it. I think the concern is that it's been pointed out to me and I've seen it as well, too, that potentially a traffic light on Porter Lane, but that is if the studies warrant it and that right now would probably be years down the road. I mean, this general plan that we're gonna approve over the next couple three months is a 20-year general plan. It's not a general plan for the next six months or something like that. It's a 20-year general plan. So I'm not trying to scare you away. I don't want you to go away. We love having people here. But I don't want you to panic thinking that we're making a decision on Porter Lane tonight as far as a semi-floor going in Porter Lane. That's not on the agenda. We're just... discussing the steps for the comprehensive plan and how we want to discuss it in the future. So hopefully that puts you at some of these. Maybe it's more stressful to some of you all too. But let's get up here. Let's get Matt Meyer from our South Davis Sewer District to give us an annual update. Thanks, Matt.

Thanks for having me. Oh, thank you. As a sewer person, one of my favorite things is when at a social event someone asks me what I do for a living. And I like to sink my talons in before they can get away, describe to them in vivid detail all things sewage, and just enjoy the look of terror on their face when that happens. So thanks to the city and for all of these captive audience members for the opportunity to talk about sewage. I thought I'd take you on a really quick kind of summary of wastewater treatment. By first introducing you to our district, I think a lot of the city council is aware, and maybe some of the audience too, that South Davis Sewer District, we are a special service district. And we serve the five South Davis cities of Bountiful, Centerville, North Salt Lake, West Bountiful, and Woods Cross. It's a little over 100,000 residents. We have a little over 380 miles of sewer pipe that we operate and maintain. We have two treatment plants. a design rated flow of 12 million gallons a day, one is a design flow of 4 million gallons a day. We are partners in a public-private partnership called Wasatch Resource Recovery that is aimed at taking food waste and recovering energy from that resource. And that's us in a quick and dirty nutshell. But why do public sewers exist? Well, let's take you back. quite a ways. I was actually when researching this, and by the way, AI makes these slides a lot easier. I was going to prepare a presentation on this once on my own, and then I didn't have to suddenly.

Procrastination pays off sometimes. So... Oh, yeah.

You bet. So the public sewers go back to the Mohenjo-Daro pioneer plumbing that the people in the Indus Valley developed at about 2500 BC. It was pretty rudimentary, but the people then noticed that they, must have noticed at least, I don't know for sure, but they must have noticed that they got sick less frequently when they carried the waste away from the community. And throughout history, sewers have been kind of a staple of successful civilizations, right? In Rome, they called it cloaca maxima, or the greatest sewer. Actually, the Romans had a goddess of the sewer. I think Cloacina was her name. So it was a pillar. Public health is a pillar of their society. And I won't go into further detail other than to say that it is... modern sanitary sewer is a pillar of public health and we've been the benefactors of that for quite a while. So that's the public health standpoint aspect of sewer systems and there's an environmental health aspect of modern sanitation. So I think it was the final straw after the The Cuyahoga River in Ohio had caught on fire for the umpteenth time. It actually made some national press. And people at the sight of seeing a river on fire, because what was happening was that the industries that were along the river would discharge their industrial waste straight out of the river and an oil sheen would build up. And every so often a spark would ignite the river the river would burn and for a while until it burned out all the all of the fuel and then you know the river would stop burning and and this was such a such a routine problem for the people that lived along the Cuyahoga that that um when it made the national headlines and they used most egregious looking photo for the time magazine cover from the 50s but when it really made national headlines And the nation got kind of outraged about it. It didn't even make the local news. So, you know, it was such a routine occurrence that people had just resigned themselves to it. Sometimes our river catches fire and that's just what happens, I guess. So that was, in large part, the impetus for the Clean Water Act. The EPA was formed shortly thereafter. signed and EPA was created and signed into law by President Nixon. And we made a lot of good progress by cleaning up the environment after that. So the bottom right of the slide shows that we have since 1984 to 2017, we've made significant progress on fish, and invertebrate health in receiving waters. So lest you think that things are getting worse, we've come a really long way in cleaning up the environment. However, that doesn't mean that there aren't still things that people are concerned about, right? So that's the next slide, which is when the Clean Water Act and the EPA were formed, there was a whole lot of federal funding that went into upgrading the infrastructure necessary to clean up water. And the feds paid for a lot. I think it was like 80-20, the feds paid for a lot of the original infrastructure. So those, in the 80s, the funding shifted to local sources. And then they started, since the 80s, we've been finding, the feds have been finding new things to be concerned about. biosolids was a thing to be concerned about. We would separate all the solids from the water, and then we had to put the solids somewhere, but those weren't regulated. And so in the early to mid-90s, biosolids regulations became a thing. In the last decade, nutrients were a big focus, phosphorus and nitrogen. And that is kind of where we're at right now with our treatment plant, South Davis sewer district. We are starting to, well, we've been under design and then construction for nutrient controls at the wastewater plant. And so that's part of the reason the rates have gone up. And the vast majority of the reason the rates have gone up, but also They're they're never quite satisfied the federal regulators And so they're they're concerned about new and emerging compounds one of which maybe you've seen in the news It's called PFAS polyfluoroalkyl substances. That's the like Scotchgard Gore-Tex that they're waterproofing treatments for for fabric for for other Other stuff you want waterproofed, I suppose. Also firefighting foams. The PFAS firefighting foam, you can use like five or six times less of it to fight like a jet fuel fire and put it out than other competing firefighting foams. So there's really good utility and use for PFAS, but they're termed forever chemicals, which means that they don't break down over time very easily. And significant exposure. of factory workers in the production process has been shown over time to be carcinogenic, et cetera. So those are a big focus at the EPA currently, right now, and they really don't know what they're gonna do about it. There are over 5,000 different species of PFAS. They're really only focused on the two original species which are thought to be the worst but There's a lot of there's a lot of unknown about that presently We don't have a treat for them very well either so moving on So I'm gonna kind of blow through a lot of these slides really quickly now after setting the stage here, but you know this and this presentation In part, I've adapted from the one that was presented to the council about two and a half years ago, I want to say. So we have new phosphorus limits. We have new reduced ammonia limits that we have to meet. The phosphorus limits we're meeting and have caused us to increase our operational costs significantly. The ammonia limits are going to need to be met by spring of next year. We're under construction right now to meet those. And the phosphorus is a concern for harmful algae growing in waterways. And so here's some algae photos. More on the phosphorus limit. And then the ammonia limit is going to be met by this piece of construction that we finished the structural on. This is a photo of our new moving bed biofilter reactor. And we are... We're going to commission this in about March of 2027. Water flows into either one of the basins. There are a bunch of air diffusers that aerate the water, and there's a bunch of little plastic media that will float around the water to provide surface area for the culture of biology that we want to grow in there to convert the ammonia to nitrates, which are not acutely toxic to the environment. We've also been running out of another reason we're upgrading. We would have to upgrade, absent any new regulation, we would have to upgrade our plant to accommodate more solids. So we haven't, interestingly enough, the advent of low flow plumbing fixtures has kind of kept our flows static for the past, 15 plus years. So despite population increase, we haven't seen flow increase. We have seen the increase in strength. So people still send us the same amount of material, whether it's carried there in less water or not. So we've been increasing in our solids loading, we call it, to our wastewater plant and are now, recently last year we exceeded our design capacity for the plant. We're still able to treat with the existing plant with the assistance of additional chemical usage to get to the end points we need to, but for future we're gonna have to expand the solids treatment capacity. And this is a photo of the inside of our new dewatering building, so we have to dewater the solids before we can beneficially reuse them. um there's a quick little timeline of you know how everything kind of fell out in in our world you know it's it's like a matter of a decade we start planning for an upgrade we engineer the upgrade we finance the upgrade the upgrade takes three four years and it's usually about a decade process by which time you know you're already you know about ready to start you know within a few years planning the next one unfortunately And so knowing where we're heading from a regulatory standpoint is usually paramount in that process. And we're approaching a point where because we've had to upgrade recently, or we're upgrading presently, we're incurring debt service and we'll be at a point where about 40% of our annual budget will be just servicing our bonds on the project. Here's kind of a little, and that's just kind of pictorial representation of that. It's kind of really busy, but I'll probably just skip over that one. All of this, while the South Davis area is kind of building out, there's not a lot of developable acres left. So our impact fee revenue is, as a percent of our overall revenue, is diminishing significantly. So we really have to, we only can fund our improvements by user fees and the property tax levy that we currently have. And impact fees are kind of a de minimis source of revenue at this point. You know, we've all been experiencing the inflation recently as far as operating public infrastructure. You know, the one that is the most kind of interesting to me, the biggest impact, let's see if this works. At any rate, so if you look at the chemical line item, that's mostly for the phosphorus treatment. So that's gone up by 278% from 450,000 roughly to 1.7 million annually for chemicals to treat the wastewater. That is still less expensive than building some of the capital options to treat for that without using as many chemicals. The chemicals is still a better bargain. So we chose to do that instead of additional treatment plant. And so our costs are going up significantly to accommodate all of the new regulation and the increased cost to operate. Oh, along that, along those lines too, like 100% increase in electricity. That's not just energy cost increases. That's because we have to, our new plants have to, they use more energy. We have to increase the feed into the plant to run blowers, which is going to probably double the energy usage at the plant. we kind of, when this started happening, we kind of thought, okay, is there something we're missing? Are we not operating this facility intelligently? And so we went and bought some some information from American Water Works to try and say are we are re-operating efficiently so we we benchmarked ourselves against peers and in most cases larger peers so in theory they would have a better economy of scale and we should be operating a little bit less efficiently but we have we operate more efficiently from the standpoint of employees we have you know roughly let's see about half the half the employees that comparable district might have of our size, maybe a little more than half. We operate in a cost per account, far less than the industry median. And on a cost per mile of pipe basis, we're operating at purple header miles of pipe. We're operating at a savings over the median. So we feel like we're doing an adequate job to a good job operating the facility. We're being efficient. We're being frugal, as frugal as we can. But we just, you know, the biggest factor are the capital expenses that we're facing. And that's what's the biggest driver for the rate increases that folks have been experiencing. And we'll continue to experience at least for one more year for certain. And then we'll see where things settle after that. This is just the raw data for some of that. But we're not alone if, you know, misery lives company. So, you know, across the Wasatch Front, there's roughly, you know, $3.7 billion worth of wastewater treatment plant upgrades happening presently or have recently happened. for nutrient controls, et cetera. So these are all the different treatment plants that we know about and interact with and their costs for upgrade. And these are upgrade costs. These are not like increased operating expenses. Here's kind of where we kind of fall out. We had static rates for a long time. We increased rates once in 1988, then we left them and didn't increase them for 30 years. But now we're in a phase where we have to catch back up. We probably could have been, should have been increasing with inflation over time, but... We didn't need that money to operate, so we thought we'd best leave it in the ratepayers' pockets, but we're at a point now where we have to catch up. and it just comes at a really bad time for most people unfortunately. Here's again where we kind of have been recently in 2017 we started increasing rates to afford these upgrades and this is kind of where we've been and where we will be. So 2027 we'll likely have another either tax or sewer fee increase to afford one final round of bond financing on the project and then we'll be hopefully able to keep things static for a good while. Here we are to compare to the nation. You know, we today are about, you know, cheaper than 75% of other utilities out there. After upgrades will be cheaper than 40 or 55% of percent of the other utilities out there, this cost curve will advance over time. So by the time we're all said and done, it might be we're cheaper than 65% of our peers in the industry. And then here is the current charge. This is the cost distribution along the Wasatch Front. So for Utah sewer facilities, we're kind of on the lower end of the curve as far as total monthly fee. This would be our fee plus the average property tax assessment. And then this is where we're going to be after our product is finished in 2028. And again, especially on the Wasatch Front with that $3.7 billion of infrastructure investment, this is changing real time as other facilities are increasing their rates. We'll likely slide down on this curve a little bit as well and be in the lower half for sure of the sewer fees along the Wasatch Front.

um that about does it for me i think that's the last slide um any questions or anything i can talk to to for for the city council that you'd like to know well you brought up one of your slides there's man talked about algae and maybe this question isn't for you maybe it's more for scott paxman weaver basin water do we have more polluted water now than we did a few years ago when I was a young person, let's say.

Hmm, I could get, this meeting's being recorded, right? And I get myself in trouble. So I mean, that's a point of debate. You know, some researchers think that the population's expanded, there are a lot more nutrients running off into the water bodies, and that there is a lot more algae. Some researchers think that. Some researchers think that there really isn't, and that the water bodies have found natural ways to kind of deal with the excess algae. nutrients and there's only so much algae you can grow at any one time anyways. Algae is kind of a fickle pollutant to kind of manage because it needs warm water, it needs sunlight because it's a plant, and then it needs the nutrient content. Well, the nutrient content, if it's there, algae will grow. And Utah Lake and the Great Salt Lake are vestiges of ancient Lake Bonneville. And there's a lot of nutrients in the sediments that can, if the water column becomes depleted in nutrients, the sediments will release nutrients, especially phosphorus, will release the phosphorus into the water column. The harmful algae too, they can fix nitrogen from the atmosphere. So they don't even need the nitrogen in the water column if they don't have it. They prefer it, but if they don't have it, they can fix nitrogen from the atmosphere and continue to to thrive. So it's a point of debate. We kind of, as wastewater folks that operate facilities that have to bear the costs of heightened regulation, we want to see better research indicating that it's necessary. And the state is usually deficient in their resources to do the research. And so they make really conservative assumptions. And so the wastewater community is kind of banded together. We have a research group. We have a kind of a special interest lobby. And we try and participate in that science effort so that we don't get what we're fearful might be kind of really conservative, conservative numbers that cost the rate payers a lot more than what they already have, what they're already bearing. So that's kind of a big politician-y non-answer. You know, I kind of tend to feel like, you know, there were probably algal blooms when the pioneers came into the valley on some of these shallow, tepid waters. Maybe, not sure if there maybe are more now, but... Other questions for Matt?

I just want the public to know that Matt does a great job. And you elect these representatives, myself and these people. And when you elect them, you're electing them more than just to show up here at the city council meeting, because we have a sewer district board. And myself or one of the council members has to be assigned to that. At this time, it's Councilwoman Hearst. She's our representative there. We have a representative with Utopia and Councilman Mecham. We have an emergency preparedness representative here and a tree board representative with Councilman Plummer. I represent us like at the fire board and at the dump waste management board. We have others that are online with Mosquito Bateman and economic development. So all these services flowing in and out of your house, the city provides some of those, but some of those are shared when it comes to the sewer stuff, when it comes to fire services, when it comes to waste management. So I just appreciate Matt, the time he puts in, and all our council members too for the times that they put in serving on these boards to get you daily services. that are needed in your home to have the quality of life that we have. And your presentation was impressive tonight. I've never seen slides like that before. Those are good.

Well, thanks. And thanks for letting me come here. We really appreciate our relationship with the city. The city's been a great partner on a lot of stuff. And thanks for letting us borrow Gina for one night a month. She's really great to have on our board. So appreciate everything you do for us as well.

Thank you. Appreciate it. All right, let's go to item number five. And this is the discussion on, I'm getting to it.

And Cole Fessler, our fire marshal, will come up.

So this is a discussion on an interlocal agreement between the Utah Division of Forestry, Fire, and State Lands. Cole is our fire marshal. We're going to have him up between us and four other cities late at night over the next few weeks putting out fires and making sure that we're safe at our firework shows in the five cities. We're going to get him on the agenda so he can get some sleep at night. We'll keep him up later other nights. Anything from staff before I Turn it over to Cole. Okay, Cole, take it away.

Yeah, thanks for having me today to talk about this agreement with the forestry fire and state lands. For the last, since 2017, the district has held this agreement. We have signed this agreement on behalf of the cities that we represent, so the five cities and then the unincorporated county. We've been signing this in the last year. They've made some changes to require the cities to sign this agreement as well. We've already signed ours for this year, and we're just looking for the city to sign their agreement for this year so that we can continue to provide those services that we do for a fund for prevention, mitigation, and preparedness. What this covers is if the city were to have a catastrophic wildfire like we did a few years ago when we had on the 3rd of July, which was a great day for me to start.

I had started- 2022, I remember well.

Yeah, 2022, I had started June 22nd, 2022. So it was a baptism by fire for me. So we got to show up to that. And what happens is that fire got delegated to the state as a type two or a type three incident. And the city didn't incur any costs for that. So this is kind of an insurance program for the cities that the state has put out, like I said, in 2017 to cover catastrophic wildfire costs What that requires us to do is cities and the fire district is to produce and provide mitigation preparedness and preparedness and prevention so that we go out and do fuel mitigation. On behalf of that, there's a taxable value that we have to do for a participation commitment that the state assigns us every year. And we have to do that in kind of work questions.

This is in a local agreement. I'm not sure, Lisa, that you've reviewed this, right? From the staff standpoint as our attorney? Yes, I have.

The fire chief, Larson, met with me as well to explain this new obligation, but we have been essentially entering into this through the fire agency. So staff recommends we approve this so that we are covered with this catastrophic insurance as soon as possible.

Thank you.

Questions for Cole, for Fire Marshal? Our obligations as a city, what specifically are we obligated to do?

You can answer that for him.

Yeah, so your obligation is to sign the document. Truly that's it. Financially you're obligated for, I looked at it today, $398 financial impact for your city. 24,000, just over 24,000 is what all three cities, Bountiful, North Salt Lake, and well, all five cities. All of you are in this agreement. Two cities have $0 of participation just because they have any wildfire. So really what it is is we go out and do the fuel mitigation. We track that on our side. We use our staff hours to do that fuel mitigation. We use volunteer hours. So your 9-11 day of service, all those things that you guys do, we track all those hours. We put it into the state system and they credit us for those.

It exceeds 24,000 by many. I mean, we do.

Yes, we have a carryover of 66,000 currently from last year.

other questions this is a resolution so 2026-20 so i'm looking for if no further questions for a motion i'll make a motion that we approve resolution number 2026-20 entering into interlocal agreement between the city and the utah division of forestry fire and state lands regarding a joint cooperative for protecting non-federal land wildland fire i'll second that

Got a motion to second. Any further discussion? If not, let's go to a vote on this. Councilwoman Mecham.

Aye. Aye. Aye.

Councilman Bangader. Bangader, aye. Councilwoman Haven.

Bangader, aye.

Thank you. We got it.

Haven, aye.

Thank you. So that's unanimous. Perfect. Thank you, Mayor. Thanks, Colt, for being here. You're welcome.

Thanks for what you do. We appreciate it a lot. Thank you.

All right. Let's get back. We appreciate those outside agencies, like I say. That's the fire board. We have a fire district covering our five cities. And all five of the mayors sit on that board and a county commissioner. So I have the pleasure of being able to serve on that board. All right, let's get back to our agenda. Now we're going to go to the open session. Remembering what I said before, that we do have a public hearing on the fiscal year 2026 budget amendment and a public hearing on the fee schedule amendment in relation to solid waste collection of the service fee. So you'll have a chance if you're to talk about those to talk about those when we get to the public hearing I also mentioned that we were going to discuss At the end of the meeting how we're scheduling Over the next couple of months or so and approving this comprehensive general plan and how we want to handle that so we can get a new general plan in place. Cities are required to do general plans every so often, and a lot more often than we've done ours recently. So we have redone this general plan with our community development department, Mike Haggett, and an outside entity agency called SOMUS. And so it comes back to the Planning Commission and the City Council for approval. So as I said, it's come to us. And we're going to be discussing that over the next couple of months now that we've got through budget. And so you're welcome as we have discussions on the general plan and how we tweak that into future meetings when we get the schedule set. but it is now the open session and remember in the open session to try and keep your comments at two to three minutes. Remember that if it's not an agenda item that we can't go into big discussion, but we sure can take your input and the council members will take notes and the staff will as well too if it's something that we may be using. on the general plan or something that's not in the general plan that you have a concern about that we need to get on a future agenda. So why we can't get into detail because we have to agenda these items and by law We have to let people know 48 hours in advance to get any details. So with that said the open session is now open to you to just bring up what might be on your mind and Just a good sir courtesy for all to try to try and keep your comments to two to three minutes and Identify yourself and where you're from for the record. So that is now If anybody wants to talk in the open session, come to the mic.

Hello again. I'm Lon Hazard. I live in Centerville on Porter Lane.

Good to see you again, Lon.

Yeah, good to see you. I've spoken a few times about the issues we have with the general plan in Porter Lane. And you recommended last time that I talk to some neighbors, bring some people in to gauge the level of concern. Gauge interest in this and that's why we have more people here today Some may speak some may not just Who forget or just a raise of hands like who's here for this reason today? So quite a few So just to sum up the concern I understand it's not set in stone but the general plan states that at some point a signal is going to be placed at both ends of Porter Lane and And our goal here is, we understand it's not happening tomorrow, but our goal is to really just get ahead of the curve here and to avoid future traffic problems, flow problems, neighborhood problems, quality of life issues on Porter Lane, on Williams Lane, Windsor Lane, surrounding areas, and just be sure that the streets we're talking about here remain slow, safe, residential roadways that best serve us and serve Centerville as a community. And I just want to quickly run through what we believe, some of the issues I believe that we need to be concerned about. So each signal would come with its own potential cascade of things. If a signal was placed at Main, then we'd get obviously slower traffic flow, possible school congestion with Centerville Junior High, block some driveways. but probably of more concern for most people here, it can create a bypass for people that are skipping the, that are bypassing the parish lane left turn up on Main Street, and cut through our neighborhood, and then that creates a slew of problems as well. So it obviously creates more traffic, more noise, and the problems that go with that, but it also causes overloading of that parish lane left turn on 400 West. So, With that additional traffic, the need for a signal at 400 West would become a self-fulfilling prophecy. So if a signal is placed there, then we have another kind of cascade of problems. We have problems for Porter with noise and more traffic and so on. But probably the bigger problem is for residents on Williams, Windsor Lane. Because that road is so close to Porter Lane, it's really just one yard away, one house yard away. It can make their neighborhood really difficult, even dangerous, to get into and get out of if there's a light or a stop placed on Porter Lane. There's a way around it. They could take a circuitous route, but that sends them back to Porter, get more traffic on Porter. So, like I said, we're just trying to get ahead of the curve here. I understand, you know, just looking at the bigger picture, we want to make sure that these Suggestions and concerns, I hope, are worked into the general plan. And our goal is that a problem isn't inadvertently created by decisions that are made. For example, a zoning decision to increase density just above Main Street could require a light, which then results in a whole cascade of things, which affects traffic all the way down to Parrish Lane. I love the idea of a walking trail on Porter. I know that's in the plan. I hope that can be funded and that the city can aggressively pursue that rather than just widening the road for more cars. I also love the idea of considering a historic district. There are a lot of really old homes on Port Elaine. And I believe that adding as a historic district adds some more restrictions so someone can't come and take my yard, for example, which is kind of a small house on a big lot, and just put an apartment there. That's about all I have to say. Thanks for listening to me. Thank you to all the neighbors for showing up today. We love our neighborhoods. We love the town. We hope we can preserve the reasons that we love it here. And I really just wanted to thank all of you on the council and the mayor just for listening to me, having patience with all this.

And Lon, we thank you for the times you've come. I know you've come to three or four meetings, and you haven't spoke at every meeting, but as we get into discussing the general plan, this is really useful to the council members to see how people in that particular area of our city, how they feel about it. Thank you. We really do appreciate it. Thanks.

Just one more thing to the neighbors. I created a document that I sent to the mayor and council. If you want that, talk to me or send me a text and I'll send you a link.

Thank you. Others for general session?

Hi.

Helene Huff, I live on Williams Lane. My husband and I have lived there for 33 years. Right now, getting out of Williams Lane sometimes takes a little while, but I feel like if a traffic light was put at Porter and 400 West, we would never get out of there safely. I'm also concerned about property values with having a traffic light so nearby and having the difficulties that would arise from a traffic light there. We can't afford to lose value in our house. That's our assisted living money. That's it. Thank you. We like things the way they are.

Thank you. We appreciate it. I like the sense of humor as well. Thank you. Others for open session?

Hello. My name's Ken Seiler. Thank you, Mayor and council members, for letting me speak. I have some questions about what is happening with the construction that's going on on the frontage road on the north end. I understand that they're working on the drainage systems, but I'm seeing things that are making me rather quite concerned. There was a time when the grass was let go to go wild. It grew to the height of about two feet. And then there are a bunch of people that were out there with push mowers that had to mow it down. A lot of sidewalk has been torn up to concrete, and it's been replaced with asphalt. Is it going to remain asphalt? Is it going to be put back in cement? It doesn't look very good. And then I have one other concern. Up at Lund Lane, where it meets the Furniture Road, there are some trees that are growing wild right there next to the street. Once a year, they get pruned back. And it's not taking care of the problem. Every year they grow back. You can't see around the bend. You can't see traffic coming on. The trees need to be removed and killed out. My son has a house right there. His backyard abuts the frontage road. There are some large trees that don't get anything done to him, and they're causing damage to his back fence. I don't know whether the city plans on doing anything about it, but I would like to know. That's all I have. Thank you.

I used to take the front of the road every morning, but while I was under construction, I diverted myself to Main Street. You probably know that project was to improve the drainage underneath the freeway when they come in to widen. And when they say they, it's going to be UDOT. It's not a city project to widen the freeway. So UDOT was doing that project. I can't speak specifically. UDOT was supposed to be here tonight to talk more about the freeway construction, but we could certainly take questions of them. Some of my colleagues and city manager or public works director might know, but I would guess that the asphalt and the cement, that's going to be uniform at some point in time. I don't think we're going to have a sidewalk that's part asphalt and part cement down there, I'm sure.

So is UDOT responsible for the sidewalk as well?

They are, I believe, yeah. So it's one of those deals that, you know, we hope that the freeway gets done sooner rather than later, but I think it's the 27th or 28th date that it started. But in the meantime, the road's back open. I'll have to have somebody get to you on the trees that are growing wild on Lund Lane. We have your name, and if we can get back to you on that, then we can do that as well, too. But that's a little bit about what was taking place at the frontage road. So thank you. Others for the open session? Come on up.

My name is Terry Nance and I live on Canyon Breeze Drive and I'm going to add concerns to the city plan or whatever to do the signal on Porter. Canyon Breeze is less than a block away from Porter and getting out of that is sometimes tricky because the traffic is there and it's doubly tricky when school is in session because you have Parents picking up kids parked on both sides of the street and kids coming across our outlet without watching. But we have another outlet. Guess what? It empties onto Porter Lane. So we really are stuck both directions. So it doesn't help. I would just ask the city council to think about what is the projection of growth in that area. From what I can see, I've lived there for 36 years. Everything is filled up from 400 West all the way up to the canyon. I don't see any new developments, any track of land where new developments can come in. So it is the need to have more control over traffic on Porter Lane. I mean, the population is going to stay the same. to me, so I just would ask you to consider that. We already do have a pedestrian light a block away, so that also backs it up a little bit. If your concern is to think about rationing the traffic onto Parish, it works both ways. You can stop it for a little while, but you're gonna back it up onto Parish as well with another light. And I would also ask you to consider the cost versus just making the timing on the lights on Parish last a little better so that you can control the traffic in and out of Parish. Thank you.

Thanks, Terry. Thanks for being a resident. And thanks for your family helping out our city as well, too.

Good evening.

My name is Richard Stapler and I'm here with my wife. We live on the historic property right at Porter Lane and 400 West, right on that corner. And we love Centerville. We've been here for many decades and And we appreciate everything that Centerville has done. We appreciate your service and your willingness to fulfill the positions that you're in. And we're grateful for your willingness as well this evening to take comments regarding the general plan and how you may potentially use these comments Consider the things that you need to as far as developing that general plan I have three comments in particular three areas. I like to discuss the first one is What has been discussed by law on which he so? articulately described as far as the general concerns with respect to the parish or Porter Lane widening and potential lights that may go and Their traffic lights in the future. I just to be brief on that part I wholeheartedly and my wife and I second those comments that he made and support them fully and and we're grateful for the effort and the thought that he's put in and Working with you and the community The second area deals with one other point that he brought up, and that is the, well, before I get to that second point, let me just add a second part of that first one, and that is generally, he talked about some of the impacts. More specifically, with my wife and I at that property, right there at the corner of Porter Lane and 400 West. Our driveway is approximately 55 feet away from the stop sign. And even today, currently, to enter in and out of our driveway, particularly heading south on 400 West, and turning onto Porter Lane and then entering our driveway. Sometimes we feel like we're taking our life in our hands depending on how many cars are behind us turning at the same time because as soon as we make that turn onto Porter Lane, we're immediately turning into our driveway and the cars aren't paying attention. You know, there's a potential for safety concerns there and we have to take extra measures just to make sure that we don't get hit with a stoplight there that's going to back up even more cars in the turning lane that raises additional safety concerns as well. So we're a little bit concerned, you know, specifically about being so close to that intersection or driveway if a traffic light were to be put in there. as well as be able to get out of our driveway if the light is red on Porter Lane and then we're trying to get out of our driveway with cars backed up. The second item is the historic district issue that Lon raised as well. I mean, it would be wonderful. We would love to see our home and down there into that area included in the historic district. Nathan Tanner Porter according to his journals built the house that we have on 400 West and 1850 it was one of the You know very early and first homes built here in Centerville You know the other home was also built by him there and and we would love to be part of that historic district to be recognized as such and to recognize all that that the porters have contributed to this community over the over the many years and The third item is one dealing with, and I'm not sure if you're considering this for the general plan, if it's already in there or not, but we feel like perhaps some of the funds that may be used in some areas, as far as traffic improvements and so on, could serve the community very well if it were actually used to create a off-ramp off of I-215 to help alleviate the traffic on Parish Lane. And where that potentially might be a great place to have it is right where the new heading north on I-215, where the West Davis corridor starts its off-ramp off of I-215. Right there, if an off-ramp could be created to frontage road, would seem like a wonderful place to alleviate traffic, to remove some of the traffic off of Parrish Lane where it gets so crowded between Marketplace and I-215, because many of the people get off there to head north into their neighborhoods. And if there were an off-ramp right there at that area, there would be, I think, many people who would use that and would help to alleviate some of the congestion that we see at Parrish Lane. So if that's something that you could consider in the future with a general plan, we'd appreciate that as well. Thank you very much for your time.

Thanks, Richard. So UDOT's proposal for an off ramp is probably not exactly like what you described, but... It looks better than what we have right now. As you come off, you don't know what lane to go to. I mean, it's got a bypass lane to get to the front of the road, and then that'll keep less traffic from hitting Parrish Lane. But those are in UDOT's plans. You can look it up, or we can have somebody get them to you as well, too. But I like the idea. Thank you. Others?

Hi I'm Jennifer Wilson and as of tomorrow I will have lived in this wonderful city for 40 years. So I have the same concern about the intersection and there are light at 4th West and Porter. It would basically block us from getting into our division which is the Williams division. You you're sitting there and the light is green and you need to stop and take a left hand turn and it's gonna cause a lot of problems, not to mention the mailboxes that are along that way so that now the mailman even is gonna, I mean obviously the mailboxes would have to be moved and they're going south and it would just cause a lot of problems and cut us off basically from our neighborhood access which we've been taking for, Many, many, many years. Yes, we're willing to reroute, but it would cause a lot of traffic in other places that I don't think we wanted at. So that's all I wanted to say, and thank you for serving. Appreciate it.

We appreciate you. Thank you.

I'm Kathy Luke, and I live on Windsor Lane, and we've been there since they developed it, what, 36 years ago? It was going to be our starter home, and we're still there. I just have a couple of things, speaking of the general plan. Seems to me, okay, I'm a Midwestern girl. Our main street does not have personality. I mean, there's just, there isn't anything. There's just a mod podge of buildings and I'd like to see something presented where we could actually have a main street that looks attractive and has some personality. Because Centerville's a great town, but I have family that visit from the Northeast and the Midwest and they're like, Where's your downtown? Well, we don't have one. We have Target and Walmart. So just a consideration. I don't know if businesses could afford to do something. It's just throwing that out there. I'm also concerned about the traffic on 4th West. It's something we tried to address when that street was first opened. And finally, we got a light for a crosswalk, which is great. But if that light's red, it's going to block all the way down southwest, south, when people come through. And we will not be able to get out of our neighborhoods. And I know, personally, I divert myself in through Ivory. I'm sure they don't appreciate it. But I go through Ivory and get out at the park across from Home Depot so I don't have to bother. And I rarely turn left coming out because it's just too hard to get out. So I, you know, in the past, sometimes south of Centerville has felt really neglected and dumped on. So I'd like to see that addressed, I guess, a way to divert traffic in a good way. And I'm not a traffic engineer, but I grew up with roundabouts, and a lot of people don't like roundabouts. But I could see how when the traffic's busy, it could keep the traffic flowing, but yet you could still get out. But we're always probably going to be faced for a long time about you know, the traffic on 4th West, just because we have so many businesses north of us. So, I don't know. You probably have to confiscate people's property to do a roundabout, so I don't know. Another concern I have, this is that last summer was the first year that we've had rats in our yard. Rats? Rats. So ugly. I have taken down bird feeders. And, you know, the people who have gotten rid of their chickens, which is great. I mean, as neighbors, we're trying to deal with it. But it's a problem. And I think the creek on Porter Lane, that's part of the problem. I mean, really, the county has not cleaned that out in many years and has not trimmed it back. I'd hate to see the trees go because people depend on that for some privacy. But that creek really needs to be cleaned out. My son lives in West Bountiful where he has the cement creek behind his house. He does have a mouse this year, a rat. But this is the first year in all the years he's lived there. So I'd like to see something done with that creek, cleaned out at least, bare minimum. So when we get water, it can run through.

Thank you, Kathy. So I want to add a couple things. And hopefully it's fact and not opinion. I think it's fact Because I've heard to hurt some concerns here tonight in regards to obviously Porter Lane and in that intersection, but I've heard traffic concerns as well too with with 400 West with frontage road that type of thing I think that The other day, I was trying to leave my house to turn left onto Main Street to just go down two or three blocks to go play some basketball. And there'd been an accident on I-15, and just trying to turn left was ridiculous. It's like a nobody's stopping coming. I mean, I thought I should have just walked over to it. But then I probably got hit trying to run in front of the cars because it was on the opposite of Main Street. So you're going to see some things happening on our streets that hopefully keep the traffic down. So with this additional lanes on I-15. So right now you see, if you drive Legacy, you see that they're expanding that. That was done. because as they start shutting down lanes on I-15, they'd be able to divert more traffic onto Legacy, okay? And that's to be completed first before they come to I-15 to start shutting things down there. Theory should help us and keep less roads off of our less cars off of our frontage road on 400 West and Main Street But when we have an accident or something like that or major construction and You know, we're at a narrow, narrow, narrow spot between us and the lake here where we're at. And we only have those two big main thoroughfares. So you may see some potentially more traffic on our streets with shutdowns, with accidents, that sort of thing. But we're hoping. And you need to understand that when I said UDOT's plans, UDOT has our ear. We have a great city engineer and a public works director city manager and a council that, and UDOT in respect to them is very good at listening. We have a state where you can work with local agencies and taking input. And they've made some changes with the off ramp a few times based on meetings they had with us. I mean, hold on a minute, they're going to decide. But we do have input with them. And so we try and influence them as well too. And you should realize that between Chase Lane and 1700 North this summer, starting July 15th, you're going to have, we need to replace some water lines in there because we've had two water breaks in the past year costing us a couple hundred thousand each water break to fix. losing two millions of gallons of water and 1.8 million the other one, that we need to get that taken care of. But it will be after the parade. But they will be doing that as well too. and why do we want to do that because we need to get to do that now because Potentially if there are times that traffic's diverted as they're redoing I-15 but hopefully You realize that we're going to have that coming up and I've heard that those those concerns so so can it be a question with you and Yeah, I know I don't plan to sit there and say, hey, this asphalt part sidewalk and this cement other part sidewalk, it looks like crap, you know, and I don't want that to be a permanent situation.

My main concern was, is the city having to replace that?

That's going to use that project, yeah.

Because they're tearing up a perfectly good sidewalk just to put asphalt down there.

Well, they had to get in to put the pipes in. So that's a little bit of, hopefully that was all fact. If I'm wrong on my facts, somebody please correct me. And I'm doing it because you'll get back to your neighbors, and you may not see this stuff through our Facebook pages or through other things, so you have a little bit of knowledge of what's going on. More stuff on open session. Anybody else?

Hi, David Leighton, Centerville. I have a different topic. I'd like to talk just for a minute about unsanctioned flags. I've noticed some unsanctioned flags in this room over time, and everybody's seen those, and I thought we'd probably just ignore it. It might go away. Obviously didn't. Maybe I'm late to the discussion here. It's probably been talked. talked about in this meeting before. But I saw it come through on the public news and some of the political programs and thought to myself, Centerville's in the news for this. But I guess maybe any news is good news. There's a complaint for the auditor's office and there's a decision to be made by that office. but regardless of the decision I proposed that the and Say that the city has an opportunity to write its own resolution That supports the state law that prohibits the unsanctioned flags and I recommend that the city consider doing so Thank you Others on for the open session

Thank you everyone that came tonight. Please, please, please, because I think a lot of you here on the Porter Lane issue, some of you on other issues, please look at our webpage. Please reach out. You can go to our website to find city council addresses, email addresses. Send us your concerns so we can bring these topics up at future meetings And you're welcome to email me as well, too and Please watch for future meetings as we discuss the general plan as far as it relates specifically to Porter Lane, I think long here is is a good person to reach out to because Lon, look at how you get people out. They need to have you promote for my business or something. So we'll kind of use him as your spokesperson. So thank you, everybody, for your comments tonight. And with that, we will move on from the open session and we'll go to our business items. So the first business item tonight is the public hearing on the fiscal year 2026 budget amendment. This is resolution 2026-18. And we'll have Nate come up and talk about those amendments.

Thank you, Mayor. So as Mayor mentioned, we have a budget amendment for the current fiscal year. Generally, I like to do, thank you, at least two of these a year, but I didn't do one for the first half of the year, so we'll just take care of it all right now. All right. So to start off, in the police department, we have two different items here. The first is the Citizens Academy. It has a running balance that gets carried over from year to year. So that balance from the prior year was $1,000 that we're just proposing to carry over into this year. And then the second item is regarding the grants and donations that the police have received. There's been various of those. So last year, the outstanding balance of their donated funds was the $17,516. So we just need to pull that out of the fund balance to be able to use. And then this year, they've received about $22,750. Next is in engineering. So these are related to the costs that developers pay for engineering fees related to their development. These fees get passed on to the developer. So we've received in excess of what we had budgeted for revenue. And so we're just recognizing that revenue and allocating it to the expense line. All right, in parks, we've exceeded our budget amount for both our grave openings and our overtime, which are related, because the majority of our, or maybe not the majority, but many of our grave openings happen on weekends. which requires overtime from staff to open and close those. So again, just recognizing the revenue and allocating it to their overtime expense. In the community services, we received various donations for the 4th of July celebration. This is last year's celebration. So again, just recognizing those donations that we received and Increasing the expense line to recognize that Okay in community development, will you go back to that one sure well? So I'm probably missing something, but you've got the credit and the debit, but then at the bottom That's because I forgot to fix that Good catch It's not adding up, but you know what do I know I?

I am like super impressed. She's learning journal entries. I could hire her. That's incredible.

I went through the thing twice trying to catch all those, too. I missed it. I missed it. Good job. Hopefully there's not another one, but it wouldn't surprise me if there was. OK, back to community development and the general plan. If you recall, it's probably been about a year ago, We asked the company that was helping us with the general plan to go back and do the extra survey and put in that extra work to get more feedback. And so this extra cost is related to that, that we didn't have budgeted. Okay, so this is our annual transfer to our capital projects fund. So the state code allows our general fund balance at the end of the year to be between 5 and 35% of general fund revenues. For the past number of years, we've elected to keep a fund balance at about 30% and then transfer any excess fund balance to our capital projects fund. I think this has been a great strategy. This is what allows... This is the primary way of how we recoup those funds in our capital projects fund. So I think our department heads do a good job at trying to keep our operations expenses as low as we can, knowing that that extra stuff is what's going to help us maintain all of our capital assets. So again, we don't know what this number will be until this is the very last entry we make before we compile our financial report So we don't know what that number will be, but we're just proposing that we keep it at 30% and then transfer the excess to our capital projects fund. All right, this is a little bit of a precautionary budget amendment that we won't do unless we need to. I'm a little bit concerned about our REC fund. It's cutting it really close. I think we might go over I think they think they'll be okay so hopefully we won't need this but just to try to avoid a finding in our audit I'm suggesting that we transfer up to $10,000 to the rec fund should they need it if you have to do that will we be notified yeah we can let you know yeah I think that would be helpful yeah I'd like to know that if we're over $20,000 And then also in our recreation fund, we've received more participation in our programs than we had originally budgeted for our summer rec, our off-season, which is our ski school, and baseball. And so these amounts you see here are just recognizing that excess participation. And with that extra participation comes extra expenses. So again, we're just recognizing the revenue. and allocating it to those expenses for those different programs. Okay, in the WRAP tax fund, we are keeping the same distribution that we had originally budgeted, where of all the WRAP tax funds that we receive, 85% goes to parks, 5% goes to the performing arts theater, 5% goes to the Whitaker Museum, and the rest stays in the WRAP tax fund. The reason I put the to be determined amount is the issue arises if we receive more wrap tax than what we had budgeted, then when we try to follow this and transfer out those funds, if it's in excess of what we had budgeted, then that results in a finding. So this is a, again, a precautionary amendment that if we receive in excess of what we had budgeted, we'll still follow the same policy and the same distribution policy that we had,

but this would just allow us to transfer those amounts to those specific areas without getting a finding did we decide on five percent to the dcpo is that was that's what we've done i think uh councilman uh plumber is right now it's as Nate just said, allocated as it has been in the past, but that's always something at any point in time that I think that council has the option to re-look at that. I just thought it was a set number.

Are you thinking of the Bountiful Davis? I guess I am. Yep. So that's all. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

I'm talking about percentages on there. I gotcha. That was a specific. It was a line item.

Right. Okay. Thank you.

Yeah.

In the capital projects fund, we just have the one amendment and this is for the sunshade for the new mower that they bought that was approved last July. It just costs a little bit more than what we had originally budgeted. So this just covers that. It was approved back in July. Okay, in the Utopia Fund, this was an error on my end in our original budget. So our monthly bond payment is the same throughout the year, but then it increases in June of each year. So when I had budgeted this last year, I just took the amount and times it by 12, and that's how I got my budget. And I failed to remember that this increases in June, and I need to add that extra amount. So this is just essentially an error correction on my end. So we'll still pay the same bond amount that we would always pay. It's just fixing my budgeting error. All right, and the water fund, so this amendment is for Waterline projects that are paid for by developers. So when a developer comes in they're responsible for paying the cost of their Their service to their project and we've received more than what we had budgeted for this year so this is just recognizing that and then allowing us to Pay for that installation for those projects And then in our finally in our drainage fund this is for the sub drain Relocation on frontage road so with the i-15 widening project with everything getting shifted to the east they had to Relocate the sub drain that runs along frontage road this is So we pay the bill, but we get reimbursed by udot so they're paying 100% of the cost for that So this is just recognizing this nearly 2.3 million is what the project is estimated to cost and So this is just recognizing the revenue that we received from UDOT to pay for that project. All right, and I think that's it. Just the next few slides here, just a summary. Here's the general fund summary so you can see what the current budget and then the ending budget lines for each of those accounts would be. And again, here's the expense for the general fund. And this is on your separate document in your packet. Anyway, that is our budget amendment. Are there any questions?

I have a question, Mayor.

Go ahead, Councilman Banger.

Yes, Nate, I just had several questions on this, and you've answered most of them. I appreciate that. Thank you. But one specifically that I didn't, well, on the general fund, 15 grand or so there, I was not on the council last year. I just want to understand. Was that money paid to our consultant in addition to their agreed upon price? I know there were some extra surveys or something, but was that in addition to that?

Yes.

What was that?

Yes. So they, we had our agreed upon service. Correct me if I'm wrong, but maybe there was feelings that the survey COULD HAVE HAD A BETTER OUTREACH TO PEOPLE, AND SO COUNCIL DECIDED TO SEND OR KIND OF REDO SOME OF THE SURVEYS, SEND OUT A MAILER, I BELIEVE WAS INVOLVED, GET MORE FEEDBACK, AND THAT WAS ABOVE WHAT THE CONTRACT ORIGINALLY LISTED.

SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THE COUNCIL HAD APPROVED AN ADDITIONAL MAILER TO INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF RESPONSES THAT WE GOT ON THE SURVEY.

Okay, but Somers got paid, I believe it was 129,000 per contract and another 15. So actually it's more like 144,000 that their input amounted to for citizens of Centerville.

Sounds about right. He says that sounds about right.

Thank you. I just wanted to have that understood.

Other questions for Nate on this one? If not, like I said, this is a public hearing matter. So let's go to the public hearing. I'll go to a public hearing for fiscal year 2026 budget amendments that Nate Fazer, our finance director, just went over. And that public hearing is now open to any member of the public. Seeing no input, I will close that public hearing. And we'll come back to any final questions for Nate. And if there is none, I would look for a motion on resolution 2026-18. No questions. Somebody want to make a motion?

I'll make a motion that we approve resolution number 2026-18, amending the fiscal year 2026 budget.

I'll second that.

Got a motion and a second for discussion? Let's vote to the right until Councilwoman Hirsch starts. Aye. Aye. Aye. Councilman Bangerter? Aye. Councilwoman Hayman?

Aye.

Thank you. That motion passes 5-0. Well, we got it. Yep. Here, Nate. Let's go on to another public hearing matter in regards to the fee schedule amendment on the solid waste collection monthly service fee.

All right. Thank you.

So, yeah, we are proposing to increase the fee for the collection of solid waste or garbage. Through this fee increase, this would only affect your garbage or your black cans. We are not proposing an increase to recycling or green waste at this time. So just a little bit of historical information. Back in January, Wasatch Integrated Waste Management increased the fee to the city by a dollar per black can. So due to this increase, we're recommending that we increase our fee to our customers by a dollar per container. Some other increases that we've dealt with are with ACE, which is the city's contracted collector of our waste. We've had a number of increases with them and their rate will be increasing again 5% as per our contract on July 1st. And you can see in the background since 2023, we've had increases with ACE of In 2023 was the last time that we increased our collection fees to our customers, but we've had a 7% increase, another 3%, and then 5% in the last two years. We've been able to absorb these by using our fund balance, but with this, and we're still proposing to absorb the ACE portion of this, but recommending that we essentially pass on that dollar that we're getting hit with for Wasatch Integrated. So that would bring our, the fee every month for our first black can would go from $15.55 to $16.55 and then each additional black can would go from $13.49 to $14.49. And you can see our, I included in your packet The spreadsheet that we usually use to determine our rate, and you'll see that our proposed rate is lower than that yellow portion where it says new rate. It is lower, and again, that's because we're still proposing to use fund balance to absorb some of those costs. But just wanted to provide you with this information since this is the formula that we've historically used. So yeah, with that, are there any questions?

So we're not passing along 100% of that cost that is subsidized with the fund.

With our fund balance, yeah. Yeah, we have about 319,000, give or take, in our fund balance right now.

This is in the sanitation fund?

In the sanitation fund. So we think we can absorb some of that cost, at least through this next year. Our contract with ACE is up at the end of this year. Excuse me, at the end of the next fiscal year. So we have one more year with them, at which point we'll probably be going out for RFP and we'll reevaluate our fee schedule again at that point.

So, Nate, I have a, this is Councilman, Member Bangerter. I have another question on this. I submitted an email, Brent, yesterday morning, just requesting that we take a look at what our neighboring cities are charging for sanitation fees for their garbage cans and, oh, what do you call it? The green can, recyclable can. And I just... It's always important to me you look at what our neighbors are doing and what fees are for comparable cities I Hope that maybe would have some information a comparable study of what our neighboring cities are doing What did did you have time or chance to do that?

Yeah, I believe Our public works team put this together So they had sent me that Clearfield Charges $17.75. This is for trash, so your black can. $17.75. Farmington is $20. Sunset is $23.65. Fruit Heights is $20.50. Kaysville is $15.35. West Point $14.30, which I notice they're asking for a rate increase tonight. So that's their old rate and then bountiful is eight dollars Which we've learned about Comparison to bountiful is difficult well in this case.

They own their land.

They have their landfill So it's going to be significantly as well as their own collection service, and they're all gonna say they have their collection service, too You gave us about eight or nine or ten there We're probably about the third or fourth cheapest, it sounds like, even with the raise, it looks like. Is that correct? Fifth. So we're right in the middle. Of those eight or ten.

And I think that is comforting and helpful to know. I mean, this is a, we have to send this out. This is a company that provides this service, so regardless, we're going to have to, pay the fee because that's what, that's the deal we got. And you know, yeah.

So when you get a chance, will you attach that, those comparisons to the packets? Let's just say as a reference. Yeah, you bet.

Um, so just with our fee that we pay to ACE and to Wasatch integrated, that total for the first block can is 1369. Um, and then that extra $3 that we charge our customers, That covers everything else, like our printing and postage, our banking fees, our software fees.

Replacement cans.

Yeah, cans, your glass recycling, the spring cleanup. So that's why there's a little bit built on top of what we're directly charged.

That is helpful to know. And thank you for that information. I would appreciate maybe each of the council members get a member, get a copy of those kinds of reports. And then can I just ask, With the contract with Ace Disposal and their contract would need to be renewed next year, is there a build-in escalation to what they charge each year based on some factor? Like, can we expect a raise on next year's rates from them before their contract comes renewable again?

Yeah, so our original contract with Ace allowed for two contract extensions. So the first extension covered, it was based on CPI. So that was the seven-ish percent, which was what CPI was that year. And then the contract said that it would be CPI not to exceed 5% the next year. So that's when it ended up being about 3%. And then the second amendment that we are, or sorry, the second extension that we are currently in had a built-in 5% increase. So we don't have anything on contract beyond that.

But that was an extension to the contract, which included an escalation.

Mm-hmm. OK. And the original contract only allowed two extensions, which we are currently in. So we'll have to have at least a new contract next year.

Thank you.

Other questions? You guys ready to go to the public hearing on this then? You can in the public hearing. When I open it up, you can come up on the public hearing. So let me, I'll open it up the public hearing, then you can come up, okay? So this is a public hearing matter regarding a fee schedule amendment on the solid waste collection monthly service fee. Just please identify yourself where you're from if you're commented. Boom. You come up. You can come up. The public hearing is now open on this issue, okay? Okay. If your question's on this issue, then perfect.

Okay. You did the additional fee for the second can? Are you talking just the trash can or are you talking the second can is the recyclable can?

Trash can. We're only raising the black can. What? We're only raising the black can. We're not raising the recycle or the green can.

Okay. The price for a replacement can, is there any chance of going back to the original trash can size? I had to replace one of my cans, and I lost about a third of the size of the receptacle.

It got smaller. You're saying that the can that was, yeah, that's...

The new can that came out holds far less than the original one. Or do I have to wait for a canyon wind to come up and go down to the furniture road?

That's what we get now. Do you have anything else? No, that's it. Thank you. Others on the public hearing matter? If not, then I'll close the public hearing. Nate, come back up. Help if we... Didn't get Ken's questions answered. I think we did. Let's try and answer them for him because we always respond to public comments, if any. I think we did. So I can just clarify that.

OK. Clarify. Thank you. So we're proposing that we're increasing the fee $1 per can for just your black can. So the first can would increase $1. And then the fee for each additional container would also increase $1, and that's additional black can container. The fees for recycling are staying the same, and then the fees for all of the green waste cans are staying the same as well.

thank you for that clarification all right i'm concerned about the size i just heard about this that that that concerns me is that we're paying we asked for a service we negotiated the service based upon the facts that we had at this time and they had a specific size of can, and we were then charged for that specific size of can, and we've been operating under that. Now they change the size of the can, but we're still required to pay the same amount. That's concerning to me.

I'll look to my public works team. I have not heard of a can change.

Like, the size of the can changed? I can tell you that we own...

The old garbage cans that have been around for 25 years might have been a different company, but Ace is the one that provides the cans, correct, Mike?

No, so we own the black... The city owns the black cans and the green cans. Ace owns the blue recycle cans. Okay.

But who provides, who brings the cans? My understanding was it was ACE bringing them, no?

No, ACE brings the recycled cans.

They are different.

It's like cans that Public Works takes care of. So we order them and buy them. The original ones we had, I think the bottoms were a little bit bigger. Now they've necked them down, but they're out a little bit wider. My knowledge are still they hold the same. So the volume is the same? What he's probably getting at is the bottoms might be narrower. That's harder to get in, but we'll check into it and see. But my knowledge is it's about the same.

The tops were like this big? Yeah. Yeah.

So the black cans that I have at my house, which we've had for 25 years, are bigger than the recycle can. The new black cans I've seen look more similar to the recycle can. I think that's where my... It's a different manufacturer.

The ones that you guys have got, they used to recycle them. Now we can't get them recycled anymore. I think we're down to one vendor. I don't think there's an option of vendor.

And I'm not contesting anything. I'm just saying what I see when people say they get a new one, it seems like it's the size of the green and the blue can, but my black cans are bigger than the green and the blue.

Yeah, we'd have to check on that. I'd have to ask Mark. Mark would know, but I'd have to get back with you on that one. I can send it out in the grant report this week.

I would like to know if it's got, what the volume difference is, if there is.

If it is, I don't think it's much, but I'll check. It can be, you know, the configuration, I think, is a different point.

Configuration doesn't, I just want to know the volume. How much can you put on the old ones versus the new ones? And that will help me understand.

Look in the Brant report, and I'll tuck that in there this Friday, Thursday. Okay.

To me, that's the only thing. I'm thinking if it was really a third less, we're paying them to haul a third less away.

We should maybe try to get a bigger can. Yeah, we should be figuring that out. If it is, in fact, it's size difference. But maybe it's not. Maybe it's like you said. They do look smaller. I think they're a little bit smaller. I THINK HE'S RIGHT.

THAT MAY BE ALL WE CAN GET AS WELL. BUT THEN AGAIN, THAT'S NEGOTIATION. THAT'S CONCERNING TOO. YOU'RE PROBABLY RIGHT.

WE NEED MORE OPTIONS. SO YOU'RE SAYING WE NEED TO OPEN A GARBAGE CAN MANUFACTURING BUSINESS.

EXACTLY. IS THERE A PARTICULAR URGENCY

to our passing this resolution tonight on the waste disposal, could we consider tabling this for a couple of weeks until we find out what the cubic foot capacity is of the new cans?

Well, that doesn't have anything to do with it. We're saying we buy our own cans. So if we've made them smaller, that's not ACEs. The city buys the black cans. So we can't go back to AISP and say, hey, we're buying smaller cans. We need to find out if we can get regular size cans.

We certainly could go back to our contractor who's providing the service and say, hey, you're handling less capacity of waste because the cans we're providing are smaller. Can we reconsider adjustments to our prices for our waste disposal from you?

but my two garbage cans are the same size so i don't know that that's going to be i think that's going to have to go into this next negotiation i agree and i think that ultimately tabling i think we're just passing along a a fee increase from the provider and and it's not going to change.

It's a tipping fee increase, right? It doesn't matter what the amount is.

It's a tipping fee increase. It doesn't matter what the size of the can is.

You could have three black cans that are small or one big one that's still the tipping fee is what's increasing. We're absorbing the 5% increase.

So with that said, who wants to give me a motion?

I'll make a motion that we approve resolution number 26-19, amending the Centerville fee schedule regarding solid waste service fees. I'll second that.

Got a motion and a second. Councilman Plummer, you want to start the voting? Aye.

Aye. Aye. Councilman Bangerter?

Aye. Councilwoman Hayman?

Yes.

So it sounds like five ayes. Okay, let's go to, thank you, everybody. Let's go to the certified tax rate. Nate, am I going to get myself in trouble tonight? I don't know. Are you? I came down pretty hard. I felt bad at fire board yesterday because I wasted their time talking about certified tax rates and how long the state takes to get the rate to us. Because you and I had a nice little meeting, and they want us to set this budget, but they wait until almost our fiscal year. Anyway, I'm going to do the same thing tonight, so I better stop. So let's talk certified tax rate.

Yeah, I probably share many of the same feelings with you. we do get to your point. Uh, we have a limited window that, uh, we received our certified tax rate on last Friday. Uh, it was due on June 13th, uh, with this recent change by the legislature. And then we have to set the, uh, tax levy by June 22nd, um, or September 1st in the case of a property tax, uh, rate increase. Um, So you'll see that the auditor's certified tax rate came in at .001137 and would generate the $2,368,383 in property tax revenue. This includes $37,331 of new growth revenue. As we've discussed through the budget process, the city is proposing a tax rate increase that would provide an additional $369,103 of revenue and this would set the tax rate at .001314, which represents a 15.61% increase. I know I've given this presentation a number of times this spring as we've talked budget, but I think as we get a new audience when people see this on the agenda, If you'll entertain me going through this presentation again, because I know property tax rates can be difficult to understand until you've dealt with it for a long time, and even then they're still difficult to understand. So I'll just go somewhat briefly of how these work. So these were the rates. As I said, we have to set the rate by June 22nd, or at least propose the rate, and then we have to uh, set our final rate by September 1st, uh, if we're seeking a property tax increase through the truth and taxation process. Um, as we mentioned, uh, these are the reasons that we've listed on our property tax impact schedule of why we are asking for the increase. Uh, the first reason is for a new police officer. The second reason is our fire assessment has increased, so we're asking to cover that increase. And then the third reason is to cover the increased medical insurance costs. And I will also note that for any member of the public that's here, we do have the property tax impact schedule on that chair by the door. So feel free to take a copy if you would like. And it's also on our website. So when we talk about increasing our tax rate, it's important to note that we are only talking about Centerville's portion of the pie here. On your tax bill, you'll see a number of different taxing entities. But when we talk about a tax rate, we're not talking about your bill as a whole. We're talking about increasing just the Centerville portion, which makes up about 12% of your total tax bill. All right, so the way property taxes work in Utah is that property taxes are revenue based. So it's based on the amount of tax dollars we collected the prior year. So the state law says that we receive the same property tax revenue year after year. unless at least one of two things happen and that's the first that the city has new growth which we did experience this last year so our new growth we would have received the same dollar amount we received last year but we got new growth in the amount of 37 000 so that's new revenue that we get automatically and then the second way it can increase is if we enact the truth and taxation process which comes along with increasing your tax rate So to calculate your property tax bill you simply take the taxable value of your property and multiply it by the tax rate And then get this gives you the amount of property taxes you owe The tax rate is the same for all properties, but the taxable value can vary from property to property All right So I like to look at this as a teeter-totter so As I said, your property tax revenue stays the same year over year unless you have new growth, which means when your city property values increase, your tax rate decreases. And this is what we saw this year when we got our certified tax rate. So our average value as provided by the county last year, it was 582,000. This year, the average home value in Centerville is 610,000. So the value's increased. And then you'll see there at the bottom that our tax rate in 2025 was .0012. And this year, because our property values increased, the rate decreased to .001137. So here is a historical graph of where Centerville's tax rate has been at the at its highest back in the late nineties, um, it was just shy of 0.16% and then, uh, at its lowest in 2008, um, it was about 0.9, uh, nine and a half maybe. Um, you'll see at the very end there, uh, I have in the blue line shows where the 2026 certified tax rate is. And then if approved with this proposed tax rate, you can see what the graph would do as shown by the little red mark there. All right. These are the, this is the updated list based on the certified tax rates. Any city with the asterisk after it is, are there cities that are Seeking a tax increase through truth and taxation this year. That's about half the cities in the county. Um, so again, this is the certified tax rate, not what they are proposing. Um, I don't remember the exact numbers of what they're proposing, but I know if, uh, If our proposed tax rate, if everybody's proposed tax rate was adopted, essentially us and Clearfield would switch spots because Woods Cross is going for a significant rate increase that would put them at about number three, about third on the list. So anyway, I don't love, this gives you a good comparison to know where other tax rates are at, but everybody is in such a different financial situation, has a different, economic base. We have a really strong sales tax base here, uh, meaning businesses that provide a lot of sales tax for us. That is a benefit to the residents because it keeps your property tax rate lower than maybe a city like through heights that has very limited commercial and tax sales tax base. Um, so

Along those lines, I'm glad you brought that up. Knowing these cities as well as I do, and they're mayors, I look at that, and there's a direct correspondence in correlation to other revenue sources that these cities have. You brought up Fruit Heights. They have Cherry Hills. That's it. Yeah. So West Point's growing, so I can see why they're going out. But yeah, I think... That's a fair assessment. I mean, not completely 100% correct. Yeah.

And Clearfield, if I might just add, Clearfield has a lot more new growth than some of the other cities.

Multifamily new growth. Multifamily new growth, indeed. Which generates more revenue and... not as much improvements to infrastructure because there's roads, right? Instead of spanning miles, it's isolated. So anyway, you have less infrastructure to support that large amount of growth.

Yeah, and that's why I don't absolutely love this comparison.

West Point contracts their police, and I think that, again, you're getting a heck of a deal, but your services are not as great as having your own police. Great, Chief.

And since, is West Point the only one that contracts with police? Sunset has their own police force. Small one, I talked to their mayor the other week, they had like 11 officers or something. Yeah. South Weber contracts. South Weber, that's it, yeah.

All right. So then on to some commonly asked questions that we get. Are property taxes affected by inflation? No. Meaning? When your home value goes up, that does not mean that your property tax automatically goes up. Again, the city gets the same amount of revenue. The tax rate is adjusted based on the values of the city. So the rate is fluctuating every year, just like values. Just because your home value has gone up does not mean your property tax rate has gone up.

And Clearfield is a city who holds truth in taxation every year just to match and keep their certified tax rate the same. So if you imagine back in the 90s, we were at 16, if we just said, you know what, your home values are going up, so therefore the property taxes, that's kind of the model Clearfield's taken. We don't necessarily take that, not necessarily popular, but we're sharing it with other models other cities do.

So they're keeping their certified rate the same, so in effect, most years they're doing a tax increase.

Yeah, and then again, so if your value of your home's going up, we're just keeping your rate. You anticipate this is gonna be the percentage you'll pay every year.

Yeah, right, if the value of the home's gone up. If the value of the home's gone down, that hasn't happened for a long time, then they got the opposite, right? Yeah.

So another question we commonly get is, so the city last raised its tax rate through the Truth in Taxation process in 2022. So if the city hasn't raised them since then, then why is my property tax bill going up? There's two possible reasons. One is that another taxing entity like the school district or the county has raised their rates through the truth and taxation process. So that affected your overall bill. The second is that your property may have increased in value at a faster rate than the rest of the city. which may affect your specific property. However, the city did not see that increase as a whole because we get the same amount of revenue year after year. And I have a little example of that that I've shown before, but I'll go over it again. So this is just a mock city that has a taxable value of 1.2 million. So you can see that in year one, their tax rate is the .00125. And then those numbers in blue underneath each house are the amount of taxes they would pay at that tax rate. Going on to year 2 you can see that home values went up for each of those houses some at a different rate than others. But since the values as a whole increase the tax rate decreased. So it brought the tax rate. Remember we were at 1.2 million taxable value. Now we're at 1.65. So now the tax rate decreased to point 0 0 0 9 1. the city still collected the $1,500 in taxes. And then you can see in blue the amount of taxes that each home would pay based off of this. And you can see how it would affect different homes so that some, because their value went up at a higher rate than the city as a whole, Their tax bill went up a little bit and others that although it increased but not as quickly as the city as a whole They actually pay less tax than they did the prior year So it's kind of an interesting study to show that based on how your specific property Value shifted compared to the city as a whole may affect your value From year to year even though the tax You know the city collects the same amount of tax year over year. I All right. So how will this tax increase affect the average resident? So in 2026, as we mentioned, the average home value was 610,000. Remember that residential properties receive a 45% discount, so it lowers your taxable value to the $335,500. So if you were to adopt the certified tax rate, then the average home would pay $381.46 in center real city property taxes. As mentioned, we're proposing that 15.61% increase. And if adopted, then the average home would pay the $440.85, which is an increase of $59.38 a year, or $4.95 a month. If you don't mind, if I share my own Opinion and like mayor said earlier. I I think it's fact But what is this four hundred and forty dollars a year get you? Well that gets you Public safety responding to you anywhere within the city in a matter of minutes That actually increases our service level of public safety because we're adding an additional officer As I was thinking about our city I pretty sure we have a park within reasonable walking distance, no matter where you live in the city. I think you can essentially walk to a park. If not, you can drive to any one of our parks in less than 10 minutes. And we can drive on roads that are very drivable. You think of even our road in its worst condition, in my opinion, that's probably 4th East where there's been a number of...

I was just going to say, we can drive on all of them except 4th East.

Right. And even that road, despite its bumps at the current moment, is very drivable in any type of vehicle. I mean, our roads are very well maintained. Sidewalks, while certain areas certainly need repair and we have budgeted money to do those, we have sidewalks that are in generally very good shape. Um, so I think of the value that your average home pays $440 a year, but gets all of those things for that cost.

Oh, plowing, right. It's endless plow your road so you can get out of your home. I mean, it's, it's a heck of a deal. Yeah.

I think it is a very good cost for the value. Um, anyway, so there's a little bit of my opinion there. Um, but I do think we're, very fortunate to live in a very good community that has excellent services for a generally affordable price. So anyway, there's the impact to your average home. The county also provided us with the average commercial property value at $1,775,000. So with that, tax increase that would increase your average commercial property $314 a year or $26.18 a month. So anyway, I believe that is all I have. I will note in your adoption of the tax rate, Should it include the increase, we also need to set the time, date, and location of our truth and taxation hearing. And the date that we have on the calendar with the county right now is August 25th at 6 p.m. to be held here at City Hall. Are there any questions?

I guess not.

I have one question. Sorry.

I guess so.

Go ahead. This is one that I probably should have asked a while ago. But that $250,000 for the officer, that's not all going to be recurring, is it? Is that going to be annually recurring expense or is there some onboarding cost there that is not going to be?

seen in the next year's budget i believe all of it is recurring with the exception of the vehicle which is on a rotation okay so it does have a recurring cost but not not buying a new vehicle year after year okay thank you all right so we are looking at resolution 2026-17 remember whoever gives me the motion that you're setting the the real personal property tax rate and you're also

at that figure, and you're also setting the date, time, and location of the public hearing. What day is that?

August 25th.

August 25th at 6. Last Tuesday.

Mayor, I'd just like to make a comment that I... This is Council Member Bangader. that while I appreciate and would love to have been able to see and say that we had unanimous agreement on that tax rate, I just can't do that. I won't be supporting that high of a tax rate. I fully understand and appreciate and I'm on the record that I believe needs justify an increase. I believe we're a little high. And I've suggested several specific ways I felt we could look at to consider reducing that 15% to some degree. That's gained little traction and no support, well, very little support. But given that, I will not be supporting that high of a tax increase.

Well, I'd like to say that I also I had thought of some ways that we could decrease expenses and you didn't agree with me on that. But I'm going to have to support this at this time so that we can get the public input into the property tax impact schedule and the proposed a tax increase. So with that, I'm gonna just attempt this and make a motion to Pass Resolution 2026-17, setting the 2026 real and personal property tax rate for the general fund for Centerville City, Utah, and to have that truth in taxation hearing for August 25th, 2026 at 6 p.m. at Centerville City Hall.

I think that works pretty good.

Do we need to say the tax rate itself?

Yeah, sorry. Give us the tax rate. Set at 0.001314.

I'll second that. I'll second that motion.

You want to have her do the second?

She absolutely can be the one. Councilman Hayman has the second. Okay.

All right, let's vote. Councilwoman Mecham.

Aye. Aye.

Aye. Councilman Bangerter.

Nay.

Councilwoman Hayman.

Aye. Aye.

Thank you, Council. And I know that you've seen a little frustration out of me on how long we took on the budget. By and large, I appreciate what everybody did. I think my frustration mainly stems from when we came finally and as we go on to the next, we're going to skip after this to the setting the calendar for the general plan discussion. I think my frustration mainly comes when we finally got to the point and somebody submitted a good suggestion to have you all send something individually to to Brett and I, and I think Nate was maybe on that as well too, then we were able to really see what each one of you was bothering, and if there was things unanimously bothering you, we were able to address those, and I think it went a lot smoother at that point. But with that said, I didn't see anything from anybody that reduced their spending to the extent that we didn't have to take money from Fund 47. Okay. I think the most I saw was 132,000. And even the 132,000 doesn't reach the 390. So it's ‑‑ I just haven't seen that where we don't have to take money from fund 47. So it's ‑‑ we're still taking money from fund 47.

Mayor, if I could add to that, it's not 361,000, it's $1.5 million. If we come up with a really good plan to reduce our budget by $1.5 million, then no property tax increase is necessary. Regardless of where you decide to take $20,000 here, $100,000 there, $50,000 here, the grand scheme is $1.5 million. Any amount of 15%, 10%, 20% is slowly chipping away at what that shortfall is because our use of fund balance is not sustainable at this point. Nate and I, again, this is a future conversation, but Nate and I have been working on this budget for five years to try and find and cut areas and make it more transparent, such as medical insurance. So we're finding money in different pockets where we kind of have some fluff, so to say. It's all gone. So we would have money in the medical insurance side saying, well, just in case when employees not sign up for medical today and they sign up tomorrow, there's $25,000 in there to pay for that premium. We took all that away. We are more exact on what we're doing and more accurate and more, dare I say, transparent in what actually the true cost is of running government. But Nate and I have been making sure and trying to make sure we don't have property tax increases in the past, but that's done, right? Now we are truly looking at this is the cost to run, and there's no more pockets to reach into to find any change, right? So $1.5 million is our shortfall. And so we're going to have some serious conversations over the next year or two to look at what that takes to chip into that. So as we talk about a potential cemetery of $7 million and that impact to our residents and what that's going to be on top of our potential increases just to run the city, that's going to be the true challenge.

Well, that's a property tax increase if we ever do that because the bond's going to increase the property taxes.

And you can argue revenue will cover that, but it will not cover the cost.

And I think Councilman Plummer brought it up.

Just a second. Councilwoman Hurst is speaking.

Councilman Plummer brought up a good point that, you know, one of the things that we have to balance is level of service versus property tax increases. It's always hard to increase taxes. That's not popular. That said, this gives now residents a chance to come in and weigh in. If they want less service and they don't want the 15% increase, they now get that opportunity to come and tell us. And I think that that's the goal here in this particular resolution. And I appreciate the way that you responded on that. I think that was an important part that It's now an opportunity for the residents to come in and let us know if there's something particular. But, yes, they're going to have to show us where, and it will be a cut in services.

And 10%, 11% of that, again, is a new officer. So we're not talking about the only thing that's built into this is 3% to manage the inflationary costs that we're experiencing, which is well beyond what we actually experienced in the budget. We're not keeping up even with the 15%. Primarily, this is to support public safety. Again, I'm not arguing against it. I'm just saying that's the reality. We're adding a service, and that's the cost to add the service to increase our level of service in public safety.

And I appreciate what you said. And the point I was trying to make is, yes, the $1.5 million shortfall. We're proposing a property tax increase which covers from the tax impact schedule $390,000 of that $1.5 million. And what I was trying to say is, coming from all of you, I didn't even see anything reaching $390,000. to eliminate that. And then we're taking another 1.2 or whatever from Fund 47. So that's just the point I was trying to make. Yes, and I like what you all said. I mean, let's see what the residents want to give up.

And may I just make the point as well, council members and mayor, we have spent a lot of time on how to raise taxes, how much and whatnot. The key, please let's not lose sight of the light at the end of the tunnel and the opportunity that economic development can bring to solve some of these problems to a much greater degree. The majority of our revenue comes from sales tax. and and businesses promotion and and opportunities we have opportunities coming up hopefully the generator plan is going to help us facilitate that on the west side and development and by golly we we need to devote some time energy and attempt to increase businesses and economic development in our community to relieve taxpayers of the burden that their property taxes puts on them now.

That's an offset. That's why it's so important we get to this general plan because we have not laid out in our city through a comprehensive general plan where that economic development can come from in the future. We've got to get through that.

I completely agree with you, Councilwoman Bangerter. That's going to take some time and it is going to take a really solid general plan to help facilitate and move that along. But I am in complete agreement with you on that, that that's a great idea and it needs to happen, but it's going to take time and we just, it is not sustainable to burn through 1.2 million. That's not going to take very long to burn through any bit of rainy day fund that we have. So I think this is a good balance, and I think staff did a great job trying to balance that out.

And you know, I also support economic development, but that also is going to require an investment, right? Whether it's personnel, studies, contracting. So economic development is huge. There are definitely, if you do this right, there's a return on investment, and that takes time. But first, we actually have to make that initial financial investment, right? And trying to squeeze it out what we currently have would be difficult because that's an increase in our level of service we've provided. Needed, for sure. But I just want to be realistic that that's going to require an investment from the city first.

Understood, and that's absolutely true. It's going to require a little investment, and we hope we do it in a very wise way so that it's economically viable and helpful in the long run.

very good agreed all right let's go we're going to skip the item number seven and then we'll come back before item seven is just getting a uh uh schedule of how we want to approach the um uh the general plan so uh when brent and i talked about this we wanted to give everybody an input on this. I'm going to start out by laying out a proposal, Mike Eckert's coming up as well too, of how maybe we'll want to approach this and then Am I missing something?

Jennifer is doing okay. I just wanted to report Jennifer. They just startled me.

I'm going to start a proposal based on what I learned from our budget discussions with the makeup of our council that we have now. of maybe how we approach this. You know, we only meet twice a month, sometimes three times a month if there's a third Monday. So if we take ten meetings to do this, it's going to take five months. I don't think we want to take five months to get through the general plan. So I'm throwing out there that similar to what we did near the end of the budget session, that maybe I'll submit to myself and Bran and Mike Heggett each section of that general plan, your concerns, and we can get some consensus of the highest concerns where all five of us are concerned or four of the five are concerned, and we can, boom, hit those Those big ones right off the bat. And if there's areas that only one of you are concerned and it's really small, I mean, we might have to touch on it quick or not touch on it at all. And get an idea and direction first before we just start struggling along with it. And then kind of put ourselves, what do we want maybe, I'm proposing maybe a couple work sessions, maybe a third, and then a council meeting where we have a public hearing on it and see see how the public feels about that point in time and what we bring to them. I'm just throwing something out to get something going and Brant's got an idea too. Discuss what I just threw out there with Brant. I just was thinking of what finally became effective in the budget discussion.

We talked about that. The other intent of hearing what your thoughts are before we go into it. It's not this gotcha moment, but at least other council members have an opportunity to digest what the concern is so they can research it themselves instead of having this meeting where Council Member Meekin presents an idea and Council Member Plummer's like, oh, interesting, let me think about it and I'll get back to you at the next meeting. But now Council Member Plummer has an opportunity to research potentially that concern and come prepared to deliberate it. So we're all effective instead of just taking time. And again, I would recommend, Mayor, I didn't bring this up with the Mayor, but a dedicated special work session. We have items that need to come up in the work sessions, like Mike Romero with UDOT wants to present at the next meeting. There might be one day we just need to find and maybe Jennifer will help coordinate it that we just schedule one off week where we have three to four, five hours. We just digest it.

Kind of like I was going to suggest that too, kind of like what we did with the budget session. you know, or boom, we're able to hit the general plan, you know, and really knock out some stuff. Now, I think this, I believe this is being fully transparent because you're, we're not all five of you, you know, you know, going back and forth in emails. We don't do that. You're all sending your own little email to us of your greatest concerns of sections of the plan. So we go into those special sessions with something to discuss. And I know some of you have put some real serious time into it that I appreciate you doing that. And I do not want to waste Those of you that have put that time into it, that waste that time that you have put into it, that you've learned good educational things from it.

We asked Mike if he's okay with what we have going on. And Mike came up. If he has any other thoughts.

Sorry, I'm just aggressively taking notes. I think it's a great idea. I think it allows every council member to have individual input and then collaborate with that input. So I think that's a great starting point to work through maybe some of the tougher discussion points of the plan. So I'm supportive.

Did you have anything else? Because you were coming up the front before you heard what I just said and I hadn't run that by you.

No, I just, I'm here in case Mayor and Brandon and Council, I'm here in case there's just questions or any need, but I'm quickly taking notes and I'll go back and review hearings and we'll do the same thing. I will note, like with future work session discussions as well, my plan would be to very clearly listen closely to commentary as I work on edits and things that are brought up as there's consensus established. So that would be my plan looking forward and however you want to proceed. And I also would note that it is your plan. I can't reiterate that enough. It is your plan. So ultimately what the council decides to do with the plan will be what we do moving forward. So that's all I'd like to add, Mayor.

Thank you.

we're having this discussion brandon and i and mike have expressed our opinions to see how you like that or any ideas on how we can tweak it i i like that a lot i think i think it was very helpful to get um that input on the budget just to get i mean i know some of those things had been brought up but to have it all in writing in one spot that we could kind of you know see where the consensus was and and also just to be reminded um you know okay these are the these are the top five things that this council member is concerned about um yeah I like it okay that is not anybody else with some other thoughts I mean

I like it. I don't want to take it into too big of chunks. I'm not panicked over five months because you look, we've already gone years. It's really, really important. We paid $150,000 and it's super important. Five months is going to pass one way or the other. So I'd rather get it right than try to rush it. i want time that i can come in i don't want you to say okay we're going to do five hours we're going to do the whole general plan in those five hours because i can't do that i want you to give me a section of the general plan so that i can be very well prepared on that i really like your plan of doing that i'd like that ahead of time so if gina says this is something that I'm concerned about, and I didn't pick that up, I have a chance to chime in and say, I'd like to put another line by Gina, because I agree with that, so that I can see what other people's concerns are. If we're not doing it that way, and we are sitting at a work table, and Gina says something, I can say, well, I hadn't thought about that. Yeah, maybe. But with that, so I don't want to discount people that only have one or two people on that item, if you know I hadn't thought about it so I would like that in advance so that I can look at that and then have a chance to comment as far as you know I agree with Gina or I agree with Brian or I agree with Rick on certain things that I didn't think of or they may You know, they'll probably agree with everything I put on there, so they'll all want the chance to do that.

There's one other thing that I think we need to discuss as far as how, I do like the approach, and I guess, Robin, I think, If it takes more than five hours, maybe we have to schedule another special session to get through it because it does seem like it's rather difficult.

We absolutely cannot go through that. So the intent is not to rush. The five hours is kind of the kickoff to address those issues. We still have a dedicated meeting. Let Brad go and then you can go on. Yeah, so it's not to rush it, right? The issue with just doing work sessions is discussing it two months. Guess what? We're going to forget what we discussed two weeks ago, or we're going to rehash what we already discussed. So ultimately, it's not rushing it. It's trying to be succinct in discussing so we don't rehash and re-bring up issues that potentially we've already solved. So it's not a rush. It's just let's have the first meeting, or at least hear the input from everybody, and say, let's schedule this first meeting of three, four hours. And then we have follow-ups after that. But we've got to be a little bit more deliberate when we meet and maximize our time.

So I agree with that. And all along, I've said I wanted to take it section by section or whatever so that we're not going back. I mean, once we've gone through section one, If there wasn't three people that were against something and it was changed, then we all know that that's what it is. We can't keep going back because, you know, whatever we spend on section one, we decide, I say I don't like something and nobody else does it, we move on. But we can't do that whole general plan. I mean, I want you to give me two or three sections for the first meeting so that I can be really, really repaired. You cannot, I've read that general plan. I can't tell you how many times, even at two and three in the morning, if I can't sleep, I'm up looking at the general plan. But I can't come in and talk to you about that whole general plan for the reason you just said. I get all upset over section one, and then I get to section 10, and then I come in and talk to you, and I'm not gonna remember, and I'm making notes, and I mean, but I do think you need to say, we need... I'd rather have three two-hour sessions than one five-hour session, I guess.

We could still do that. But if you write all your comments and there's a theme of this is in section one, then we know those are the topics in that section and you discuss it. But I think it's important for you all to see where you're at

I think it's helpful to have that ahead of time.

So you could still, section one, this is the general concerns of section one, we can move on.

Do you want our comments on the whole general plan, or do you want, I would say let's have our comments on section, I don't have it, but section one to section five. We want our comments on that. We can't bite this general plan off in one piece.

Before we totally finalize this, I want to bring up the point that I have spent significant amounts of time pouring over the comments that we received during the Planning Commission public meetings, I don't feel like any of those were addressed. I don't necessarily think we're gonna change everything based on that public input, but I do think that the residents have a right to feel like we addressed those comments and we talked about them too. So how do we now incorporate 200 plus pages of public comment? Plus we've had, I mean, we've had another public hearing, city council's had their own public hearing.

We, we did, we started that off public hearing and council will make it. I wasn't, uh, I was, I think five months, uh, having settled five months from now is too long. If we were doing it every two weeks. That's why I liked the concept of, of, of looking at it through like we do with budget sessions. Okay.

work uh... be because uh... it i saw with with our budget discussion we did rehash things over and over and over again and both i'd i'll agree with that that i'll agree with i just think we need to take it in smaller bites because for the budget session i'd come and sit and everybody present they're the ones that have to do hundreds of hours in order to present it to me But I don't have to be able to present it back to them. But for this, I have to have memorized. I have to know everything in that. And so I can't do six hours worth of that. I can do two hours worth of that or three hours worth of that. So I can do section one through five. And then I come and I am... Because I do have to... put in the public comments and re-look at that and decide.

I think that's fair enough to break it down by sections. And in this case, we've had that presentation, like we do in the budget session. We've had the presentation. You're going to have to go back and refresh yourself some because we've had Mike present it, we've had Somos present it multiple times.

And that's what I said, you've still got to, yeah.

It's ready to discuss.

Yeah, like I said, I think that's...

Okay, so we'll get with Mike, and we'll find, essentially, we'll discuss where those natural, maybe, breaking points are, what we think we can get through in a two- or three-hour work session, and we'll start there and say, hey, let's study these sections and come prepared to discuss.

And I'd like a couple of weeks' notice so that I can be really... Have the comments do a week ahead, like we did. I think that was super helpful to be able to... Yeah, because I agree. Sometimes somebody says something, and I'm like, oh, I didn't think of that, or I viewed it differently.

And so with all that being said, I feel like we do need to get this done and I can see us breaking. I could see it going in and breaking up. quarters, you know, just four sessions, two hours. And with that being said, with the week that we would be required ahead of time to present what we have concerns with in those particular sections, I would almost want to see this starting in the first week of August. And that would be my thought. And then if we could really look at getting it done in two months, right? Four, well.

I think, okay, I do think there's some value in condensing, like getting that time frame down because I feel like With the budget, we started in March, and that was really awesome. By May, there were things that we talked about in March that were a little muddy in my head at that point. We had to kind of be reminded. So I think it is good to dive in and just... And as a council, we all have to accept the fact...

that if we're the only person that's against it, we can't go back. I mean, with the budget, we could do those things, but if we've talked about Section 1, and I'm the only person that has a problem with Section 1, then when we get to Section 3, I can't come back and go, but yeah, but what about Section 1? We've talked about it. Everybody has said, Robin, you're an idiot, and we don't care. So we'll move on and so I think that's it yeah We do have to know you've got to have two people that are looking at it with you and before we can spend And we'll get started on it. Maybe it will take longer than us Maybe it will take shorter pick that first section and if we only get through a fourth of it We're going to know it's going to take us longer and if we get through a half of it And we have time to go to dinner then sweet I

I also think it's important that we realize this does not need to be a perfect document. It needs to be a working document.

Correct.

And if we really do our job right and we get into a mode of updating this every five years, it will go a lot better. Like, you know, we had people here tonight that were concerned about a potential traffic light. Fair enough. that may or may not ever meet the warrant requirements for a traffic light and so you know five years from now that may adjust because one of the comments was well there's really not any growth in this area that's true so it may not ever meet those requirements let's let's all agree as a community this isn't this isn't the end-all document this will not define every single change to centerville planning and zoning It will give us a general perspective. And I think if we can agree to that as a community, it will get better over time as well. It's been a lot of years since we had an active process where we were keeping up on a general plan.

And we have no idea. I mean, when they did that before, they probably thought that same thing. They had no idea it would be this long before we looked at it again.

And I would like to say that our committees boards that we have have been really working hard on their master plans that are actually even more of a grassroots from the residents, if you will. And if we look at those and take some language that puts emphasis on those master plans in the general plan, we will have even more resident input in the general plan. So I think that's something to consider as well as we start seeing these master plans from our trails, from the parks and rec, and the tree board that we're going to have input on many levels from the residents.

Mr. Mayor, can I speak?

Yes, go ahead.

I really love Robin's idea about breaking this into chunks and combining it with the proposal that you've made to do it in sort of working sessions. And it seems to me like we should look to Mike and Brent and say, what would be a workable solution? chunk. So take a look, come back to us and have a proposal and say, to Brian's point, maybe we do it in four chunks, maybe we do it in five chunks, maybe we do it in three chunks. Probably three is too short. But whatever the chunks make sense, and then we can get the comments in advance. And if we do it that way, it feels like we're eating our elephant one bite at a time, but we're moving forward and making progress towards getting this done. I also am with Robin that I don't know that we need to push it so quickly that we're trying to promote speed over over final work product, but I'm also in Gina and Brian's camp that we also need to get this thing done as well. So can we find a happy balance in there?

And I'm not necessarily suggesting we don't take the time. I'm just worried if we spread it out over five months, it becomes difficult to just track everything because even though I agree we should not go back to section one when we're on section three, if there is something that does conflict or because we made a change in section one, we've gotta be familiar enough with it and we haven't forgotten it that we missed that. So I guess that's more where I'm coming from on the, I love breaking it down, just once we dive in, we've gotta go. And our public is tired, they want, they want to be able to come and make their comments and and be heard and i've had several call me and you know constantly is it is it time yet is it time they they want to move ahead they want to be heard and and get it done so but i don't mean we need to rush it let's take the time it needs let's just we got to dive in and do it i think we're uh have a

general consensus as far as strategy moving ahead, right? So do we want to wrap this up by, do we want, or do we want to get back to them on what sections we want by your comments by what date?

Yeah, I think there's two things that need to happen here. First, to find that date. I do believe that maybe June and July is busy for a lot of people. Maybe there is that time in August, but we'll have Jennifer help us try and find an off week that makes sense for everyone and then Once we identify that date, and then Mike and I will come back with some ideas of how we break this up. We might reach out to Chris and maybe get some free advice from him. And then we'll propose this is our first, this is the schedule we anticipate.

And I agree with Gina. It is hard to, you can't remember from here to here. So yeah, I really don't want to do a little bit in June and then a little bit the end of July. I'm just saying, I'm not good if I have to make four meetings a month. I'll do that. I want the time to do it right, but I'm not saying it needs to take five months to do it. I'm saying I'll put in the hours and the time it takes to do it right.

It needs to be methodical, right?

Right, because it has cost a lot of money. We already have put a lot of time into it, and we've had a lot of public comments on it, so we need to look at those and be respectful.

Okay, well, that's what we'll do. We'll identify that date. Go ahead, Council Member.

I just want to say I think we're all in agreement. Let's break it into some chunks. Let's move forward. I appreciated everything each council member has identified, especially Gina that respect that there are so much public comment they deserve. sufficient attention to that. I have heard some comments that some of the public comment or written things we had are that even be illegal. I would appreciate staff might maybe Mike you've got some ideas on that what what that would be for direction for for us if there are some major problems with some recommendations that have come in. As far as legality or something, I'd like to know about that. Let's not go down that rabbit hole. If there's a reason to save us some time not doing that. But I think there are some tremendously good comments, some wording things that can be very helpful to all of us as we consider it. And breaking it down into sections like that can be most helpful. And I don't think this is insurmountable and will take... an insurmountable amount of time but we are going to have to dedicate some time to it and i appreciate i think each council member has already spent and staff of course just spent a ton of time looking at this and and let's uh let's move forward and and thank you for all the efforts you're all putting into it

I think, thank you, Council Banger, I think we'll see if we have any legal hangups through Mike and Lisa. Mike's done one of these before at the former city is that. So I think we'll make sure that we're safe in that regard. Was there a second thing, Brent, on what?

No, the legal side, again, that's why we would like to see the comments of staff a week before so we can prepare and we can address those. I mean, it's hard for us to go down something that's potentially illegal if that's really not even a concern. We don't want to spend any time on items that aren't necessarily of concern. So knowing what your concerns are, then we can research those a little bit further and come prepared.

All right. We good on it? Good. Okay. Thank you. Okay. You guys okay moving forward? All right. Let's go to fraud risk assessment. These are always kind of fun. Assuming that the mayor got his report to you. Did I? I did. Late at night.

You did. Everybody did.

Nate was up late at night with me, too.

I was. Excuse me. So the mayor mentioned we have the presentation of the fraud risk assessment. So this is something that's been in place for the last five or six or so years. The state auditor requires that we do it and present it to the city council by the end of the fiscal year. And then we do submit it to the state auditor's office. So to complete this assessment, we are given points based on meeting certain criteria. These points are all or nothing for that specific item, so there's no partial. You either get all the possible points or you don't. So we've completed the assessment for the year, and we've earned a total of 375 out of a possible 395 points, which puts us in the very low risk category. And this is the same score we've received the past four or five years. And the only thing that we don't get points for is item number eight, which asks, does the entity have a formal internal audit function? And we do not. So we don't get points for that, which is not uncommon for a smaller city of our size. But we were able to get points for everything else. Are there any questions?

Good job. Thank you.

Yes, good job. Thank you all for doing your training. I know it's not the funnest training out there, but I appreciate you.

Turns out it's really similar to also the special district training. So at least I kind of got two birds with one stone. There you go.

So I've just Just quickly, on the chart, the yes is the points we got or the points is the points we got?

Excuse me. So on the first page is the points. With question number one, you refer to the basic separation of duties questionnaire, which is the yes or no. or mitigating control.

Oh, down here. Okay, so that second page is where you get the 200 points.

Yeah, so that's all correlated to item number one. So on that, if you don't have, you need to be all yeses. If you have a no, then you have to have a mitigating control. Okay.

Well, Good job. Awesome. You scored higher in some places than any of these I've been involved with.

Good job.

Thank you. Why were you involved with them? They're higher risk.

Really? Like, staff is to be commended. They were still safe. Like, this happens every year that we score this high, and I think that's really impressive and... So, yeah. We're trying to say thank you. And thanks for harping on us that we're a little slow getting our training done. We appreciate being able to comply.

We got it done in time. And no, it really is a team effort beyond just the finance team. It involves you all doing your training. It involves different policies and the audit committees and fraud lines. So it is a team effort to get this score. So I appreciate everybody's help in that.

Thank you. All right. Okay. We're skipping around tonight. So we did five. So it's six. Deferral agreement for installation of public improvements is what we have. Let me get to that. All right. This is deferral agreement for the installation of public agreements of 192 North, 600 East, and 636 East, 2nd North, initiated by Sammy Richards' applicant staffers. It represented Mike Carlson and Lisa Romney. Mike's come to the pulpit, so Mike, take it away. Additional that we don't have in our packet.

Yeah, I mean this is the same thing and you know We've had some conversations about the map being made up on the hill. He'll set the historical area that we want to preserve We haven't got that done So they're wanting to move forward with the sidewalk deferral. As always, Public Works will always deny a deferral because we want to have the improvements put in. We feel like it's in the best interest of the city to have it done up front. Having said that, you guys have the opportunity to go either way that you want. you know, it's just one of those areas that we have to decide when's the best time to put in the improvements and my opinion and my expertise tells me there's no better time than the future the Present to get it down the future it ends up costing us a lot costing the residents a lot more money down the road but You know, one thing is if they put it in now, it's the city's, the city has to maintain it, take care of it other than shoveling snow. But if they wait, they get to pay the full burden of the cost. So Lisa, I don't know if you want to add anything on that. What did I miss legally wise?

Well, yeah, I appreciate Mike's recommendation, which is. denial of the requested deferral. We did put an agreement in your packet in case the council was inclined to approve this, but we had to create a new template because this was the first deferral agreement that we've ever done for a subdivision. So when I went to use our typical standard deferral agreement, it was just because we're building a home and we want to defer this. So I had to change a number of the provisions to address it being a subdivision. And as I thought this through my recommendation is I didn't want to do it on the raw ground and then have it divided into two lots and have the future owners argue, well, no, that's their requirement or their requirement, because now we have, you know, one parcel that was divided into two lots. So I'm recommending that, um, I've prepared one agreement for lot one and two, and the recommendation that if you approve it, that we record the plat and then record this agreement immediately afterwards. But in hindsight, I'd like to do one agreement for lot one and one agreement for lot two. So again, they're not looking at each other and saying, well, what's my obligation? But I didn't have time before the packet went out. Plus, I didn't know if the council was going to approve it. So if you approve it, the recommendation, we did add something to the staff report and the recommendation to just say staff recommends creating two agreements, one for each lot to be recorded simultaneously with the PLAT and then direct staff to prepare those two agreements from this one.

Thank you, Lisa. I think that's an awesome idea.

Sorry about not having them both ready, but, yeah, it was more difficult to draft this than I thought. I think that's the better way to do it. So they purchase the property with one agreement for lot one and one agreement for lot two, and they purchase knowing that that's recorded against the property.

So then would we not have to redo it because then they are each individual lots? So it isn't a subdivision? What do you mean, would not have to do? Would you not have to redo all of that paperwork? Because we already have the paperwork for a lot, and if we're going to divide them beforehand, then it's not really a subdivision. It still is. Never mind.

Well, yeah, they would have to have the deferral agreement approved so that they don't have to pay the bond. That's the whole thing. We told them, go ahead, pay the bond, and then we can work this out, but they don't want to. pay the bond. They want to avoid that. So that allows them with the deferral to record the plat and then this. But it's your decision. We did recently adopt an ordinance that talks about the factors that you should look at, which is how close there are public improvements in this area. This property is located Um, within the map that we adopted, um, to be eligible, but it just makes them eligible to apply, but the city council should still, um, review some of those that, you know, whether or not there's sidewalks within 180 feet. Um, and it's in the area designated. It's on a minor residential street where the speed limit is 25 miles per hour or less. The property is not located next to a public school, church, or park, and the primary use of the lot is for residential.

And one thing it doesn't, I mean, we've made all of those, but one thing, if anybody hasn't been up and driven by this property, there is a lot of properties around this like there's a retaining wall on one of them that would be major construction to move. And I think the city actually built that retaining wall where the sidewalk was supposed to go.

So I went and drove by it again today just to kind of refresh. And I kind of take a little more of a look at the existing landscaping. And I've got to be honest. This one is hard, but a lot of the landscaping, because there are not sidewalks, like we just continue to promote that issue because they're landscaping in a way that doesn't allow for future sidewalks. So I, again, I just don't like this tool. I said that previously when we discussed this in April and I'm still at this tool is not.

Could we put in the contract, as long as you haven't written it, that the ground where the sidewalk needs to be needs to be kept clear for a sidewalk?

Because I feel like in this case... Yes, it does say that in the agreement that they have to provide the construction drawings, number one, which is quite a bit of engineering expense, so that we do not make... the mistake that was made on one where the drive approach would not allow for a sidewalk in the future. So yes, they have to do those drawings and they're not allowed to put anything in that area. But 20 years from now, you know, I mean, things happen.

The other thing is, I agree with Mike. And I've said to people that have called me all through the years, ones that were probably more in a place than this one is that will need sidewalks. I'm like, it's going to cost you this, this much. But if you do it 10 years from now, it could be 10 times that. But I would be very surprised if this area ever wanted sidewalks. And so if it did, I think that would be a point when somebody came in and bought it all up and redeveloped the whole thing. But I don't agree that people want sidewalks.

I agree there's not sidewalks in this area. I don't know that I agree that the people entirely in this area don't want sidewalks. I haven't talked to every homeowner.

I haven't either, but I've talked to a lot of them, and I grew up in an area with those sidewalks.

I get that, and I'm not, you know, for me, it just seems like, in this case, the sidewalks would work. I agree they would not go to anywhere, but then also you have this little square 48, which is, this is the deferred sidewalk, right, that's next door to the south. I'm in the right spot, right? This is the...

Sorry. It's the lot where all the blue lines.

Yes, and this right here means it's a deferred sidewalk, correct? Yeah, I think so. I think that's right. So I'm looking at it and I'm going, gosh, you're moving right along with starting to get some sidewalks. I think for me, I look at 600 East and I go, yeah, that's a short little, you know, traffic is going to move slow, but these big long stretches from 400 East up to the mountain, I don't love that we're not putting sidewalks there.

I was driving in these neighborhoods, this neighborhood, the historic district neighborhood, and not a lot of sidewalks. very few sidewalks. And when I drive through, mornings, people are walking. They're walking in the road. And it makes me think, and I fully support neighborhoods saying we, or neighbors and residents saying we like the way our neighborhood is designed. And that being said, I know that Salt Lake City has lowered their speed limit to 20 miles per hour in certain areas. And I feel like if you want to have something like this, especially like you say on these longer roads going up, that I feel like we have to consider, and this is coming off of some folks coming in and talking about how fast people have gone up and down, what is it? 100 South. 100 South. Yeah. you can still get to where you're going by keeping a safe speed of 20 miles per hour and allow for people to enjoy their neighborhoods how they want to enjoy them. And so I think that if we are to move forward and continue to allow this public input and and allow them to define what they want in these neighborhoods that we might want to have a consideration of a lower speed limit.

I mean, that's certainly a point to think about. And something that goes back to what I said in April, which was, I don't like this tool. Is there a different tool that would be better? And frankly, a tool, you know, you look at these neighborhoods and I guess I think we're going to discuss you know certain areas maybe not having sidewalks i guess i'd really like every homeowner to be notified and come and weigh in if they have concerns about that this is the point where they get to weigh in rather than just deferring these because the concern i have here is you just do not recoup and get them to put in sidewalks it doesn't work and we we've seen it proven time and again and so in this particular case i'm like If we're going to talk about what you're saying, I respect what you're saying. I totally think that's a good point, that this neighborhood should get to decide. But I think the whole neighborhood needs to be notified that we're thinking about that these won't be deferrals. It'll be a permanent no-side box. And I'm not sure that I'm comfortable... deferring sidewalks here especially when you know, this is a longer length of road where You know is the answer what Brian said reduce the speed limit. I don't know I I I'm not an expert in this particular area. I don't know what's worked well in Salt Lake I guess I would want more information and I would certainly want this entire part of our community to have an opportunity to weigh in I if they wanted to. Maybe they'd all come in and say, you are crazy, we do not want the sidewalks, and then great, we know that. But the way it stands right now, I don't think this is best practice, and I think staff is right. I'm not in good conscience. I don't think this is the right tool, and I'm not saying I would agree to a different tool. I just want to have the opportunity to look into it. For me, this is not best practice, but.

Okay, so we looking for a vote on we would do a defer or a motion That we're good for on this agreement, right? We're considering public improvements deferral green between the city so Staff is does not recommend entering the deferral agreement If you approve, staff recommends creating two agreements, one for each lot to be accorded simultaneously to the plot.

So anybody want to tackle that? Are we being consistent if we pass the deferral with how we've dealt with this in the past? Are we being consistent or are we being inconsistent by not passing the deferral?

Council has consistently gone against our recommendation to deny deferral.

But this is a subdivision, not in the first house.

That is inconsistent with what we've done in the past.

You're setting a precedent now for the subdivision. Which could be if you have 10 homes.

It's only two. It can only be a two house subdivision.

We have to be able to state that somehow, somewhere.

It is.

Lisa's got that in the agreement. Well, it'll be that it's a house until it's three and then pretty soon. That's correct. That's the problem. It's a slippery slope. Once you cross over this line, it will become slippery. There will always be something that comes up. You never know what you can't. You don't know what you don't know.

Yeah, the more you turn them down, the more you're right.

Which I think kind of also goes into what you mentioned about getting neighbors, the neighborhood notified of this and what is the neighborhood and do we need to have some sort of neighborhood study where how are we going to break up Centerville into certain neighborhoods and which neighborhoods do not have these sidewalks and who gets to consider that?

And should there be some sidewalks in certain locations, even in these neighborhoods?

And if there isn't, then we have to, I say, consider certain safety regulations such as lowering the speed limit. And if it's a choice between sidewalks or having a 20 mile per hour speed limit, what do the residents want in their neighborhood? but you can't have both. You can't have people speeding up and down the road and have no sidewalks. That's just, it's not, there's gonna be the potential for accidents, and so.

There is, and I agree with everything everybody's saying. I walk every day. I walk Third East. There's sidewalks on both sides of the road. And I never walk on the sidewalk, and neither does anybody else, and I probably pass 20 people every day, and none of them are walking on the sidewalk.

Because you can trip on the sidewalk.

You can trip on the sidewalk.

But when I have smaller children, too, and they're riding a little bike or something, they're on the sidewalk. I don't like them. And if they're on the side of the road because there is no sidewalk, I am standing between them.

I agree. I am, too.

So there's some things about that that I should go, you're removing an option for somebody that may choose to stay on a sidewalk.

And that's true. Like I said, I personally can... vote for this because I don't believe a sidewalk. I think we'll make them put this in and it will be an eyesore because I don't think it's going to go anywhere else. There's not really, I mean that's kind of building it. I think there are places that we probably do need sidewalks. I think we need the map but then we need to look but I can support this. This is all that's before us tonight is this one issue. So we either need to support that or not support it. We can come up with other tools. I think that's what we did when we told them we wanted a map. I mean, we've tried to come up with some other tools, but tonight we have to vote on this one sidewalk in this one spot.

And I mean, I've weighed in. I'm not going to vote for it. And it is a best practice and just... my my professional background doesn't allow me to say i feel like this is staff has given us and weighed in on on their opinion and i respect and trust what they've done and so for me this isn't the right tool for this and i know they really they really want it and i really want to be able to give them what they want but I don't think that we're, I think we're opening a Pandora's box that I just cannot in good conscience support.

And I totally understand that because my concern is you're creating an eyesore because I don't think it's going to, that's what I don't want to do is make them put that in there and have this eyesore because we have this

little piece of sidewalk in front of every in this one little tiny spot when I don't believe the rest of the neighborhood want it but that's my and that might very well be the case I just don't know that and I'm not going to make that assumption without having an opportunity for the public to weigh in we've had we've had a few people come in and say they don't want to maybe that does represent the majority of the neighborhood but I don't know that so I can't vote for it that way we have an applicant here is there a reason the applicant's not here tonight

Mike emailed them. I don't know why they're not here. I don't have a clue so one thing I'd like to clarify though I like what councilman plumber say and you know other than you know we can reuse the 25 mile an hour sign somewhere else But we do got to purchase new ones So we'd have to add some in our budget, because it's not in there to do it now. If you wanted to go forward, down the road. However you want to do it. But I think one thing, too, is I don't know if I misunderstood what you're saying, but I think we've identified the area that we would allow no sidewalks in. Staff has been working on it. We've had several meetings where we went back and forth. And I love that Lisa took off on making a map, and it was It's a work of art. It was beautiful. And it's just, but even with that, it's just so hard to come up with the right thing because you're right. You have retaining walls. You have all different obstacles are in the way. You have one that the builder put the house at the wrong elevation and, and, What do you have him do? You can't lower his house. And the only way to take care of that one is to get rid of the front, having come in through the backside of their house and put a curb and gutter and a retaining wall in front of it. There are some, you're never going to make it all work up there, but if you don't keep moving forward in pieces, somehow you'll never have a sidewalk, but you do have to make a city council. I feel like you have to make a decision. If you're in the old part of town, there's no sidewalks. If you decide there is sidewalks, then we put the sidewalks in. It puts staff in a weird spot, so to speak, by happening to make a recommendation. I had made the statement to several people with my house, I put the sidewalk in because I'm done. The city can't come back to me ever and say, hey, you got to put sidewalk in. I'll say, no, I already put it in. I'm done. It's broken up. No, that's your sidewalk now. Heaven forbid a tree damaged it. You know what I'm saying? So I mean, the infrastructure, if they put it in now, they don't have to maintain it as far as if there's maintenance. If it needs to be ground, the city maintains it. If it's broken, the city maintains it. When it gets to the point. And so that's for me, I would put it in, but everybody's different. And thank goodness, not everybody's like me, but I do think moving forward, what has to happen is we have to have a decision from council that says in this area, historical area, we're not doing sidewalks and it makes it easy for everybody involved. You know, I don't know if this is going to tie in real well, but I'm going to take a stab at it. So I had a conversation with a person on 4 South today, and there's purely a lot of misunderstanding going on over there. You know, number one, they're talking about a light. We've had two traffic studies. Neither one have warned of putting a light in there yet. One day it will happen, it will have to happen. You know, a roundabout was talking about. It's possible that a roundabout comes in, but when it comes through and it says, the traffic code says you have to have something in there, we will have to do something. that traffic engineers will go out they will look at all the options you take like the one guy that can't get out they may have to make a concession for him to find a way to make it work because there is a requirement for that person to be able to get in and out of his driveway safely So all these things will come to place at times. So that's one of the big conceptions. I was very surprised with some of the phone calls I got. And I go, yeah, my plan is it doesn't show anything about a light going in there. Everything I've heard is the traffic studies, there's no light, period, going in there with what we're doing, what the city's doing. The other misconception is we sent out letters to everybody from Main Street on 4 South all the way down to the frontage road. Telling them what's going on. The county is in there trying to get the culvert in there. I don't know what their deal is. I know that they're spread thin, as we all are, and they're trying to get the culvert in. That's not the city. That's Davis County. That's Davis County doing that project. We appreciate them doing it. We love everything that they do for us. We have a great working relationship with the county, and I enjoy all those guys there. But we do have to wait for the county to get done before we can come in on the grant. and to get the sidewalk done. So I left my notes back there. But it's 35 to 40 foot wide will be the width of the asphalt on the road. So if you go down to the bottom of 4th South and you look up and you look at the sides of the road, you can see where the road's going to go up through there. It might meander a little bit, but that's where the curb and gutter is going to go up. So the one thing that I shared with the lady that I think is very, very important, and there again, my paperwork's back there, But we had a TIF grant to put that trail in, which was a 50-50 match. So the city paid 50%, and the WFRC TIF grant paid 50%. So with Kevin and Gina and us, we got together, and we ended up with Davis County third quarters. I misled some people today. I told them that it was 6.77%. It's 20%. Our match is 20%. The third quarter is at 80%. There is a chance that the job will come in cheaper and then the rates go down for both parties, right? The amount that we pay. So what that does for the residents on four south, and maybe some would hate exactly what I'm going to say right now is how would it be if the city came in with an SID and says, okay, we're putting curb and gutter up in the road. And now your allotment is this much money. And they had to pay for the allotment. There's huge lots down there. It's going to cost them a lot of money if it was them to do have to put it in. this is nice they're paying for it they're paying their fair shares everybody else in the city of our part of our what we have to pay for the grant right but the rest of it is paid by the third quarter taxes they don't have to pay for it to me if i was a resident over there i'd say i'm i'm on board i love this you know the nice thing about it is part of the The trails that's trying to go on, the reason why we got it is because of the trails. You know, they're going to put a bike trail coming over by the theater and the Mandarin up, it'll go up to the school. So people will have a nice safe route because it is a trail route going up to the main street, up to the schools. You know, and the biggest navigation thing we have is fourth west and fourth south. That's the area that is probably the most safety concern. We'll have to get it in.

have to see what happens there will be the light maybe we move the light to the other side who knows what way we'll have to go with it but right now i don't foresee us putting a traffic light in there but there's many things that's coming on i think the point you're bringing up is the traffic light is not part of this current project not at all i think there i think there was um some confusion that perhaps because the traffic light is mentioned in the general plan and then You've got this current project going on, which is not really in the general plan. It's current. It's not future.

So I think there's a lot of things. I mean, I like the rural area over there as well. But bottom line, the improvements will have to come sooner or later. It's a minor road. It'll have to be done. So anyway, I rambled on too long. But the point of the matter is that road is a great benefit to every resident in town, I think. Especially those you know with the you get rid of you know the one lady was talking about rats Well if you close that canal in and if you pave it up there the rats go away there They gotta go somewhere else right we're gonna vacate them So I mean there's a lot of benefits that go on as far as you know up on the hillside with the you know historical area You know, if that's how the city council wants it, that's how they want it, I'm all for it, you know? But as part of this, I get to make the recommendation, and no, I won't be mad if everybody votes against me on my deferral, it's okay. It's the way life is, but I do need to be honest with you guys and tell you how I honestly feel. And you can respect that I'm being honest with you, and I can respect your decision, your place, and what you have to do and how you feel. And I will always respect that. So any questions for me, I'll sit down and be quiet until the next item, I guess.

Thanks, Mike. Okay. I think we discussed enough. Somebody want to make any motion on this?

Yeah, I'll make it. I'll recommend that staff does not enter into the deferral agreement for the reasons set forth in the staff's report.

Got a second? Can I second it? We don't have a second. Anybody online making a second?

Council Member Hayman is no longer online.

Right. Okay. Seeing no second, Is there any other motion?

I'll make a motion that we, hadn't thought this one through good enough, that we recommend to staff that we do enter into the deferral agreement for the reasons set forth here within and the council is inclined to approve.

What are the reasons? Because staff didn't recommend it. So what are your reasons?

My reasons are I don't think there's going to be sidewalks up there. And I think it's going to be a danger as far as people are going to, I mean, if you've got to come off that sidewalk, you're going to go out into the road. And I think it's going to be unsightly to have this little piece of sidewalk.

I don't like it either. I don't like having to keep on doing these deferrals, but I'll second it because I think that you're right, that ultimately that there will not be sidewalks, and to have a sidewalk to nowhere is, you know, it's just.

In this case, though, you essentially, if you require that they put the sidewalk in, you've now got 25% of that block with the sidewalk. Yeah.

so i in my mind i'm like this is a that we are going to define something that will you know that we really don't know what the neighborhood wants okay well sorry no no no no and so when i when i second this i i wonder if if if it's not can we why are the people that have requested this deferral i wish they had come

I wish they would have came too.

It really is frustrating to try to do this without that. As you said, Gina, how do we get some feedback from the neighbors and the neighborhood on this issue.

Well, if we're going to pick the historic district and other areas that we're not going to do sidewalks, we're going to need to notify the neighbors and have a public hearing and have the neighbors have a chance to come. Right, because we should do that. I would think if there was any neighbors in this area that wanted them to have to put a sidewalk in, they would be here tonight.

so I don't agree with that I think they should be notified like this is it this would be a major change from current city code and so I don't agree I think they should be notified each individual property owner letter in the mail so are they on a time schedule that they need to have this done tonight I mean can we table this issue and and and

see if the public is interested in coming in and making some comment. That's, I guess, rhetorical in the sense that they're not here saying, yes, we are on a time crunch and we're trying to get things done. Well, they aren't here, so maybe they aren't on a time crunch, so maybe we should table it.

So I have not talked to these people. Kyle Green came several times. He's called me several times, and I know that they have put off, but I don't know this from them, so it's just hearsay.

Mike's coming up. Let's have Mike enlighten us a little bit. Oh, good. I can answer a little bit.

I don't want to necessarily speak for the applicants, other than I can give anecdotes of conversations with the applicants to your question, Council Member Plummer. The applicants are anxious. They are trying to move forward with the finalization of their plot, and they would like to do construction into the fall. They would like to submit building permits and move forward with that, but they feel like this is holding them up, this decision, so they don't want to advance forward. And I think it has to do, again, I don't want to speak for the applicants other than anecdotes. I think it has to do with their financing situation and how they put together all their construction loans. I think that's a part of it, it feels like. But I don't want to over-represent that either without them being here to represent that portion of it. But that's what it feels like to me.

so do you want so how do you the staff send notices out and this next city council meeting which is actually not for three weeks and have them notify people within a certain area around them no that this is this is a deferment that's being i think that's a broader conversation counselor i think this again back to the original idea this is what's in front of us you you mentioned that this is what's in front of us now

Again, you're talking about potentially an overhaul, delaying it potentially months if you want to do the survey and get through. That's fine.

I was just trying to get what Gina was wanting.

You don't need to get it. I just can't vote for it. In my opinion and based on what I've seen, I just cannot in good conscience go this route. I do not think this is the right tool. And I respect that there's many good reasons to do it. I am concerned that I've never seen the applicant here. I don't think a neighbor should be speaking for the applicant, but that's all I've seen so far. And so I to me, it's they're not here to talk about it and it's not best practice. And so for me, it's that's the way it's going to be. That's how my vote's got to be. Just one other note to that point.

I did notify them two weeks ago that this was coming to this meeting, and then I did send them an email as well. A reminder of this meeting.

Just saying that's so one one thought just throwing this out. So could you approve the deferral? based upon the map being done. So they can go ahead and get construction going. They can get doing their thing. They could have the deferral at this point, but could they be put on notice that if the map comes back in a short period of time, saying that it gets sidewalk in there, they immediately put it back in.

I so here's my concern with that is you can't go back and ask him to do that if they if there is some potential financial Issues, so I don't think that for me. I don't know if that yeah, I don't know I'm not trying to prevent them getting house.

I just I I just don't like this tool I Don't like it either, but it feels like we're

You prevent them getting a house, too, if you don't do something about it.

That's true. And I think we need to make a decision.

It's going to be three weeks until you can't address it again. So you've got to make some decision. Yes or no?

Well, there's a motion, so let's vote on it.

We didn't get a second. I seconded it.

He seconded it.

Okay, so we do have a second. Okay. So.

Before you vote on that, if you could add the recommendation that you direct staff to create two agreements, one for each lot, to be recorded simultaneously with the plat, if the motion passes.

So moved.

Mayor, can I, this is Councilman Banger, can I ask Mayor how you would vote if you were voting?

He might be if it's a tiebreaker. He may be voting. Sorry, I interrupted. Go ahead, Mayor.

I'll see if I have to break a tie. I think you probably know how I'll vote.

I know. I think you said enough.

I'll just say I'm conflicted too. I think this is challenging. A precedent has been set in perhaps the wrong direction for staff to initiate this in the way they've identified and go forward with. I think we're behind the eight ball in that we haven't got the map and haven't done that. So I think I'm going to vote in favor of granting the deferral because we don't have a map. And I think it's unfair to a citizen who is in a bad spot and hope we can get something sooner than later identified where sidewalk is and is not permitted.

Can I just clarify my point? When we see a bad spot, they most certainly can subdivide the property and build two homes. They're required to put a sidewalk in. So I don't know if I agree that it's a bad spot. They can move ahead.

So I go back and forth on everything you're saying because I agree with the law that's been said. I'm just like everybody else, but here's my other thing.

You made a motion and there was a second.

Yeah, let's just vote on that. Nobody else in that neighborhood was required to put a sidewalk in.

I think Councilman Banger just gave, I haven't called for a vote, but I think he gave his vote.

There haven't been that many that have been required to do so. Nobody has been. Not saying deferrals.

There are deferrals.

This is a further discussion. It's giving you a chance to pull your motion or we're going to go ahead and vote.

Okay, let's vote.

Okay. Aye.

Nay.

Councilman Plummer. Aye. Councilman Banger, did you vote or am I coming back to you? I think you had a vote problem.

Councilman Banger votes aye.

Okay, so it's three to one for the ayes. Okay, thank you.

What about Councilmember Hayman?

She's not with us anymore. in a location where it's really really now early the next morning she's getting bad reception like councilman Okay. Summary action calendar. This is Centerville common subdivision water line in the amount of 70,382. Anybody have any questions on this one?

Can I make a motion that we award this bid for the Centerville Commons subdivision water line to Forge Industrial in the amount of $70,382? I'll second that.

Okay. We have a motion to second. Councilwoman Mecham?

Aye. Aye.

Aye. Councilman Banger?

Aye. Aye.

Okay, I pass unanimously and we go to minutes of June 2nd City Council Do we have any changes to those minutes Without a motion to approve so moved second Second all favor aye aye Aye, all right opposed. I think I hear it all for okay. Let's go to council report

All right. Mayor, thank you. You know, there's not a lot of updates here for council or for you as far as what they've been doing in parks and rec and tree board from my last report. I believe that Gina had given or Councilwoman Hurst had given an update on parks and rec. a couple of council meetings ago. But overall, let me just say that I'm impressed by the people, again, that serve our community in these boards and commissions. The Parks and Rec folks are working so hard and have come up with some really good ideas for the 250th anniversary celebration that we're going to be having. I would like to just say that they will have a booth at the event on the 4th and the 3rd. They will be having, of course, the movie in the park on the 3rd. which is a league of their own and have some activities that go along with that. And they'll be introducing the mural that they've commissioned to have done that will highlight Centerville from local artists. the time capsule idea has come to fruition. There is a time capsule and there will be some opportunity at the booth at this celebration to take some pictures that will be somehow, whether it's on a thumb drive or some other technology that will be available in the future, 50 years from now, that they'll be able to store those photographs or other items that there is also going to be an opportunity to write notes on a paper with ink that will last that period of time. So lots of opportunity to go down and have that be part of the time capsule as a resident of Centerville. And I would encourage as many people to participate in that as possible because I think it will give people in Centerville 50 years from now a really interesting glimpse as to how life was now.

Are you still doing something from the Council?

That is something that I don't think has been communicated directly, but let me communicate it to you now that, yes, they would welcome any letters or comments from the Council and the Mayor to be put into the time capsule. How that looks will be up to you. Now, at the event, they're going to have some maybe some questions or of what were popular things going on nowadays. So kids and adults will be able to answer those and put those in there. But for us, maybe it's more of a letter to the to the people of Centerville in the future and how that looks will be individual to each council person and mayor. So yes, they do welcome your input and would like that to be part of the ceremony, which would be the closing ceremony would be on the 4th. So they'll seal it and they expect to probably keep that time capsule somewhere on city property in maybe this building is probably the safest spot to remember where it is 50 years from now. So that's going to be I think one of the more fun activities that they're going to be doing there. They'll also have booth in connection with the tree board and they will be able to talk about their master plan. The parks and rec will be able to discuss that with the community that come up and also have the mural at that event on the 4th as well. So the artists will be there to talk about what their inspiration was and how that will be displayed moving forward. And so that's all going to be part of this event coming up, which is very quickly approaching. So I would say that we would want to get those letters and those thoughts put together relatively quickly or soon so that you're not waiting until July 3rd to do it.

I think they are closing the capsule on the 4th.

The fourth is the sixth.

I think they're hoping that the mayor's going to have something to do with closing that either right before the concert.

But then you'll need to let us know what they want, what we need to write on, how big it can be. I mean, they're going to have to. talk to them and see exactly what they want from us. That's what I'm saying.

It's not a very big capsule, so they're not going to want us to... And what they've talked about is, I think Tyson Creamer was the one that was saying that they have a special paper and a special ink that if you're going to write it, you're going to want to put it on that so that it lasts the test of time, 50 years from now. Now, if you're going to type it out... putting it on a thumb drive or the same thumb drive as the pictures, I think that would work as well. So, yes, maybe we could get some feedback from Tyson in that regard and see what they think we should do, whether it would be the written on paper would be better, or if we are wanting to save it as a PDF document and hope that they know what those are.

Hope they can still read a PDF?

Right, in the future. So you're saying the iOmega Zip Drive will not fit in the time capsule?

I don't think so. No, the time capsule will be able to fit. every written submission. I mean, it's not big, but it can fit little enough of the cards, I think, to allow everybody that wants to participate to participate and then you can just stuff the thumb drive or whatever it is in on top of that.

So, yes.

And I think that's something that the parks and rec folks are actually actively talking about over the next little bit, whether it was an SD card a thumb drive. They have not finalized on those items yet. But they are discussing that. And I would say that ultimately from my perspective, I would say that writing a letter to the people of Centerville in the year 2076, it may be the route that I take and however you would look or choose to do that would be something you could do on your own. But again, I think it's a great idea and I think it's going to be a fun opportunity for the people in 2076 to open that up and see where we were at.

Well, if they have certain papers, certain cards or something, get us one and let us be able to pick that up and do it.

Good point.

I'd like to do that.

Okay. Yes. Continue. And really, again, that's kind of wrapping up the Parks and Rec. Again, they've been working on the 250th anniversary celebration. So a lot of the other things have been kind of pushed back as far as the master plan. But they are going to be picking that up once the celebrations are done. They'll be meeting in August. And I think that will be a number one priority. I'm actually very excited to get more of that of these master plans from these committees and commissions and that I feel like it will be valuable for us in incorporating some of the or at least referencing those in our general plan. And that's what I feel is a really key part of what they're doing. And I think I can say the same for the tree board. The tree board has also been preparing for the 250th. They have a booth as well. They'll be discussing what they've been working on as far as trees and trees that are conducive to drought conditions and their recommendations for those types of what would be best to plant in people's yards. They'll be there to give that information to the community and they will be coming back after July and also be talking a lot more about documents that would be something that we could refer to in the general plan such as recommended trees for our city in certain areas depending on what the soil conditions are and whether you're up on the bench or down in the or the lowlands, there's different types of trees that do better in certain areas, and they're working on that. So again, these folks, I'm just so impressed with their, the time that they put in, and really some of the ideas and expertise they bring to the table. So that concludes my report. Thank you, Mayor.

Thank you. The Parks and Rec Committee has been rocks and just solid in this 250th celebration. So I would just say have them, because I've talked to Haley about it and others. They haven't reached out to me to contact. I'm sure we're all thrilled to put anything in it, but I don't know if they had other ideas.

I think that the person who's over that had a little... health situation. So I think just be patient. I think it'll probably be coming.

Okay. Thank you. Anybody else have anything pressing?

I do really quickly. On June 26th, the South Davis Greenway will be having an open house. This will be at the Bountiful City Park. That's 400 north, 200 west in Bountiful. It's between 6 p.m. and 9 p.m. For those who do not know what the South Davis Greenway Trail is, this is a joint urban-type trail through the cities. It goes from Farmington down through North Salt Lake, and part of that trail comes through Centerville.

Along 400?

It starts in Farmington, it starts on the frontage road and it will go all the way to Chase Lane, then it will jog east to 400 West and then it follows 400 West all the way into Bountiful. I believe it crosses, it's on the west side, it's on the east side of the frontage road, it's on the west side of 400 West until about the theater and then it crosses over. It lines up with that.

flashing lights crosswalk that's right at the theater which is very interesting because parks and rec were committee on our last meeting were very interested in this as they are discussing and they had really taken note as to what the trails committee had done recently that they really would like to play off of that this greenway and have like some tributaries coming off of it and going to our own parks and rec areas. And so I think that it's an interesting proposal.

It's basically the backbone. It's an urban backbone spine. And yes, it is definitely designed for people to use it to get to work or obviously they would have to be working somewhat locally. But yes, the idea is that that other trails will, you know, branch off of it. That's one of the reasons it goes in front of Community Park. That's one of the reasons it crosses over to the east side to pass Porter Walton, the library, some of these things that, and it is, I believe it's a 12 foot wide shared use path is what it's called. And it will be, the city obviously will have some say in what type of materials, but likely it's an asphalt path. On the Furnage Road, it will be, most of that's gonna be covered by the UDOT improvements.

So will they be taking people's property for it or will it be part of the road?

They are not taking, I mean, I shouldn't say there wouldn't be a possibility somewhere, but no, they're going to use the existing right of way. And that's what we've been working on for several months is just making sure that it fits into the alignment. The road may become narrower in some places to accommodate the width. But no, they're not taking anyone's property.

And I had somebody else ask me if they would still be able to park in front of their...

there will likely be um you won't be able to park on one side of the road so if it's on your side that's a possibility so that's i'm that's why i'm letting you know this is the point in time where um we need to have people weigh in and provide input on concerns that they have. All of the homeowners that are affected, you know, that it could be, and that's both sides of the road were notified with a flyer.

I've heard from a couple of people and I'm like, I don't have that much information on it.

So this impacts my neighborhood and I had a few phone calls about it. For the most part, it's been a positive response. I think people are pretty excited.

All right, anything else 26 All right the mayor's report International Institute of Municipal Clerks Clark Wilkes and Centerville mayor dear Clark Wilkes and Jennifer Robinson CMC of city of Centerville has earned the designation of certified municipal clerk CMC which is awarded by the International Institute of of Municipal Clerks, Inc. IAMC grants the CMC designation only to municipal clerks who complete demanding education requirements and have a record of significant contributions to their local government, community, and state. The International Institute of Municipal Clerks, founded in 1947, has 14,000 members throughout the United States, Canada, and 15 other countries, and the mission of this global nonprofit corporation is to enhance the educational opportunities and professional developments of its diverse membership. In light of the speed and drastic nature of changes these days, lifelong learning is not only desirable, it is necessary for all local government to keep pace with the growing demands and changing needs of the citizens we serve. Your city can take immense pride in Jennifer's educational accomplishments and achievement of this milestone. On behalf of the IIMC Board of Directors, I'm honored to endorse the conferring of CMC to Jennifer Robinson, CMC of City of Centerville. We share your pride in this achievement and we applaud your support of the role Jennifer plays in your city. Sincerely, Don Abrahamson, MMC, IIMC President.

Thank you. Way to go, Jennifer.

Congratulations, Jennifer.

All right. All of you. I'm going to be sending you a text. And this is what who it's from. Mr. Mayor, it's Mary James. It's that time of the year again. Ha ha. Would you be willing to take a turn in the dunk tank? And would you also be willing to encourage members of your city council and staff to volunteer as well? even just to help with different volunteer needs. So she wants you to be on the dunk tank. And you can't get sick and back out like I did last year. So you've got to sign up and commit like I think Chief did. Didn't you go through? Chief, that's awesome. So I'm going to forward this to you all.

Yeah, but his hair is easier to do when he gets wet.

mine's pretty easy now too but it's uh encourage members your city council and staff so staff you got didn't get out of it as well either according to mary jane's volunteer so uh we're gonna have a great celebration um that leads right into remember on the third we'd we have the children's parade in the South part of town this year on the old route And that is not the morning of the fourth and it'll lead down here to the park and all this neat stuff that Councilman plumber just talked about and Bruce wants to remind us to so please Bruce do That's what I said Oh, maybe I did, but evening of the 3rd. That's all happening the evening of the 3rd.

And what's going to be there? What's going to be there?

Bruce is coming up. I tell you, he's excited.

There will be a lot of the same feel to our old celebration in that the children's parade will start at its OG location at the Second South, and it will run to William R. Smith Park there at the elementary school. There will be food trucks and food booths along the north side of the park where we used to have carnival booths. There's a concert that will start at, I believe, 7 o'clock, and then following the concert will be the movie in the park. And so other than fireworks that we used to have, it will be very similar to our old celebration.

Party.

Yeah, and then the big Fourth of July celebration will start the next morning, and lots of fun and games for kids and the concert and fireworks and all that will be happening.

But the night before will be a bigger... We do need the police to have their auction, though, that night.

It's a country concert at 7, and then there's a movie afterward at 9.15. Yep. Uh-huh. Okay. Well, that's happening on the night of the 3rd, so that'll be fun. And then on the morning of the 4th, if you're all going to run, you've got the 5K run to get up for. You don't have to worry about going to see the children's parade at 9 o'clock, because you're going to be in a parade at 9 o'clock. Okay, so on the morning of the 4th, we will have our parade. The festivities will start down at the park at 11. Danny's got great musical entertainment lined up, and then we have the headline band of Ryan Shoup and the Rubber Band, and then we have fireworks that night. So get everybody excited, and they've been working hard on it, and I had so much, but I'm trying to condense down to what's critical. Please remember to get out and vote if you haven't already voted. And please get the truth because it's funny to be in this position and have candidates come up to you and tell you something about the other candidate and you were in a meeting when that wasn't said. So please get the truth before you vote. It's like don't you realize I would have been in that meeting? So anyway, I always wait to the end to see if they're going to remain solid all the way to the end. But maybe some of you vote right when you get your ballot. And then please remember that this week is Flag Week. Flag Day was on June 14th. The first official flag design was on June 14th, 1777. And President Lyndon B. Johnson signed in 1966 National Flag Week. from June 14th to June 20th to fly the American flag. My son came to me tonight and he says, dad, you got a new flag. I said, you're darn right I did. He says, good, because the last one was yellowing. You weren't being too respectful. So just a little tidbit on there for you. And the last thing is a point of personal that I'm going to take is I had the opportunity in the last two weeks to, a week ago Friday, go to my 102-year-old uncle's funeral, and last Friday go to my LDS mission president's funeral. And let me just, and he was almost 100. And let me just say this, outside of my father, my LDS mission president, It was the biggest influence in my life. And so even though it was a happy, it was hard for me because I think I got my leadership style from him and everything. And he taught me how to be involved in the community as well, too. His brother was a congressman. He was involved in politics. He was really involved in his community, played tennis up till he was 97. My uncle also competed in the Huntsman Games up till he was 100. What a great examples of enduring to the end. And the neatest thing about this is these two men as young men served as LDS missionary companions. So pretty neat things. Reflective time and I just encourage you all to look at those examples in your life and live up to those examples and set those examples for the next generation, so Thank you for indulging me with my personal Point there, and I think that's it so Brett city manager.

Thanks mr. Mayor I honestly we've discussed a lot of reports, so I have nothing else to add unless there's questions for me I

all right uh so we uh need to do a closed session hopefully we can uh cover it pretty quick but um so i would ask to uh adjourn city council meeting with the intention to not return

I'll make a motion that we adjourn City Council and go into a closed session to discuss the purchase, exchange, or lease of real property with no intent to return to the general session. Second.

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