City Council - Regular Meeting

Thank you. Uh welcome everyone to the Centerville City Council meeting being held here on March 3rd at Centerville City Hall. We welcome uh those of you that are joining us from the public. We welcome staff. We welcome uh those that are online. We welcome council. And as always to make sure that we can do business tonight, I I'll do a roll call at the council starting with council me. Mikum present. Bangader present. Cayman present. Hurst present. Plumber present.

Thank you council members for being here and being diligent in your duties uh on Mayor Wilkinson. So um the since we can do uh the business, let's proceed. Uh, I think first thing we'll look at is a legislative prayer of thought from Councilwoman Shayen Haymon.

So, um, I think that most in the city, certainly all of those here are aware that we recently lost our fire chief, Greg Stewart, an incredible man, an incredible civil servant. And um I just I wanted to take a minute to pause and to reflect and to appreciate his life and his service. And I've um I I met him for the first time when actually you and I mayor were going through newly I was a newly elected city council member and I went to fire school to learn how to be a firefighter and I met Chief Stewart for the first time and I was very impressed with him then. um I didn't have the opportunity to work with him closely, but I know that mayor did. And so I have asked for purposes of my time just to turn over the time to mayor to share a few thoughts um about Chief Stewart.

Uh there's a lot to be could be said about the chief. Uh and as Greg as I know him as well too. Fact, we have one of our former chiefs with us tonight as well too that knew him really well, even better than myself. But I'll just reflect on a couple interactions I had. I was I was the board chair in 2024. The board is made up of the five mayors and one city council, excuse me, one county commissioner uh uh make up the board. And I was the board chair. And when uh um the former uh fire chief, Chief Stone, resigned, uh we went through an interview process and I had the opportunity to extend uh that offer being the board chair to uh Stewart to be the chief. Uh he served in that role for a year and a half. He did a marvelous job. I had had two or three months to work with him as uh as the the board chair. uh and and and that was a very positive experience. But I think the thing I remember uh one thing I remember really well uh about Chief Stewart is the opportunity that this past fall he and I had to go up to a Utah State football game in Logan and uh they were playing the Air Force and um we had the opportunity I'm such an Aggie, but here uh Chief Stewart and I, it's like what? We start talking about the Air Force and we talk about these these uh these guys playing football for the Air Force that they're really just playing football uh because they love to play football, but they

they're going to be serving our country in the Air Force. And um uh you know and and and Greg was one of those um u servants as well too uh being a fire being a firefighter and and and we're both we're both such Aggies. He's he grew up in Richmond up there in Cash County. And here here we are going back and forth saying, "Oh, those guys are just studs, man. They're just awesome." and and we're both Aggies and and we we just talked ourselves into, well, we we got to cheer for Air Force today, you know? I mean, they're the guys on the front line for us, you know. Uh and and Chief Stewart was one of those on a front line. Um and um uh just love the man and had an amazing experience with him. We had an amazing day that day uh and and evening uh as well too going to dinner and and talking as uh we came home and and uh that's when I could see why he was really in uh the fire service because he loved to serve and he uh felt that was a way that he could serve and serve his country just as as those players that we saw on the field that were serving uh for the in going to the Air Force Academy and we're going to be serving us in the Air Force. So, that's uh my thoughts of Chief Stewart.

Thank you so much for taking that that time. I'd just like to have a moment of silence so that we can remember the service um and the the amazing human that Chief Stewart was. Thank you. Thank you.

Um, with that, uh, I'm going to ask, um, Councilwoman Mika if she'd lead us in the pledge of allegiance. But before they we do that, uh after that moment of silence, it makes me think that uh I'd like to offer a prayer as well. Our father in heaven, we're very grateful that we can be here this evening. And we're thankful for this this time that Councilwoman Haymon take took to honor our chief Greg Stewart. We ask that thou may be with him and his family at this time and also with all our uh our firefighters and policemen and other first responders and all of us as well too. Uh we're mindful of others in the community that uh have lost loved ones and ask that thy blessings and spirit may be with them as well. We're so grateful that we can live in this country, that we can have these freedoms that we have, and we have this ability to meet in an open meeting like this, to discuss the business of the people, and help us to be able to have thy civil discourse with us as we have these discussions this night, and that we may gain stronger friendships uh from uh this activity. And this we say in the name of thy son Jesus Christ. Amen.

Amen. Amen.

Catholiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Okay. Uh let's get to the business of the meeting. Um we have three public hearings tonight. We have a public hearing on the concessionire agreement and fee waiver. We have a public hearing on the general plan comprehensive update. And we have a public hearing on municipal code amendments, adoption of the wildlife urban interface code and centerville wildlife wildland urban interface map. Okay. So, uh that means that those three public hearings, those topics that you will have an opportunity to comment on those topics when we get to those public hearings. But right now, it's the open session. uh you needn't needn't comment on any of those because you'll have even more time then to comment that the openness session is where any member of the public can come forth and uh say what might might be on their mind uh trying to keep the interest in mind that we want to keep the move uh the meeting moving along. So keep your uh comments to two to three minutes if you can. Now I always for those of you may be new at it uh I always stress that we have to uh by law put agenda these meetings in advance. So if you bring up a new topic

we can't go to extensive discussion on it but uh many times they are topics that uh uh we haven't thought of or we need to dive in a little further that we will talk uh staff and council. we may get on a further agenda or we we uh we'll try and get back to you with with a phone call or something like that. But uh uh just so we never want you to feel like hey you came and we didn't discuss it because we have to uh put these things on agenda 48ers in advance if we're discussing something in detail. But with that said, other than those three topics that you'll have more a chance to uh talk on, uh the open session is now open for uh any public comment. Uh just maybe state your name. So uh we have that for the record if you're so inclined.

Hi everyone. Uh Larry Smith, Centerville resident. Um, if I can go back in time, I was actually instrumental in getting the open session back on the city agendas back in I think 95 time frame and also with the school district getting back the open session or whatever it's called in the Davis school district in about 2014. So, it's kind of cool that we have open sessions. seems rather obvious, but there was a period of time in both those entities where we didn't have it. I don't have a lot to say uh specifically since the general plan discussions or for later, but since I was also and this is a little tooting my horn a little bit, um the first entity that started this city website, thank you very much. I want to compliment whoever did the city website and uh brought it up and it said it would be easier to use with your phone. Sure enough, it's good and uh it worked pretty well except when it comes to printing stuff out um those PDFs like the general plan that's a lot of paper. So, and then it's hard to read. So to to get to my little bit of a senior status, maybe I'm not quite a senior citizen, but um it's nice to have the open session so people can chat and communicate. It's nice to have a good city website. I guess my only comment would be the sound system. Not that I'm going deaf, but uh it's a little hard to hear. So, I don't know if we should recommend a sound specialist to come in and modify maybe a filter or two or maybe some of the speakers, but um it's a little it's a little tough to hear at times. Um I'll leave my comments if I see I'm actually going against my my protocol of never standing up during

an open session. Even though I helped get them on there, I kind of like to stay away from uh getting too verbose. Um but anyway, thanks for all you do and u looking forward to hearing the discussion on the general plan since I reviewed many of them over the years including uh the early one in 92 or whenever it was created and uh so it's good to have some discussion on that. Thank you. Thank you Larry. So everybody speak up. Uh can't fix our sound system right tonight but speak up. Uh, anybody else on the open session?

Mayor, can I just make a comment? Uh, we've recognized another great human being, Chief Stewart, here tonight. Uh, Larry Smith just lost his beloved wife a few weeks ago. And we had the fire department, the first responders when she was uh moved from the from the transport vehicle that brought her from the care facility to to her home so that she could pass away in peace at home with her family. It was like an honor guard having our first responders there and attending to that. and Larry, we we uh extend our condolences and our appreciation and love for you and your dear sweet Kim for being such honorable and exemplar residents of Centerville.

I really appreciate that, Rick. Um Councilman Banger, that was a profound moment driving up the street. I got sorry I'm coming back, but I guess I had to say something in that context. I got a text from my son that the EMP the the emergency team was there and I didn't know what to expect. I didn't I was worried about everything in that context. But when I drove up the street, I saw two emergency vehicles. My neighbors were a little bit flumxed, including the 12-year-old boy across the street was looking up inside upside down the street going, "What is happening at the Smith house?" But when I opened up the door and then looked at those those Yeah. It was like an honor guard right in the back of the vehicle standing strong and tall. I got to meet the chief. I believe that's the name. and they did their job and thank thanks a lot to them whoever they might be. I got a picture of them. So it's a memory that I have not only in my head but I can look back at it very profound. So thank you very much to whoever who is in charge of that and extend my gratefulness to them if you could.

Thank you.

Thanks. Sorry for your loss. Kim Larry Kim's from Great Stock. Uh I before we moved to Centerville, we lived 8 and a half years in Bountiful and we were four doors down from uh his his father who is an amazing man. Um so great great family, great contributors to our community. All right, anybody else on the open session? All right, let's go to our first public hearing. This is the concessionary agreement and uh fee waiver for the UYU conference uh down at our community park. Uh and um uh is that uh Lisa or is it Haley? Haley, it looks like Sorry, I got to move ahead on my agenda. Haley.

Yes. Thank you. This is to review the agreement. Last year we entered into this agreement with the Ute Conference football to um provide a concessions for our spring baseball league and it went very well and I have actually invited them here tonight. Um but this is basically for you guys to review um the fee structure for them using that concessions which last year we charged them $1 and this year we are looking at a fee waiver for that. But I did just want to um have them come up and present just a little bit on their success this season if you don't mind. This is um April Nelson and Steph Jensen. Jenny Nelson. Sorry.

Oh, sorry. You're fine.

We are excited to um just kind of briefly cover how successful concessions were last year. We you we were able to use this as a fundraiser for our football players that all reside within the Vmont High School District. So, the majority of them are in Centerville. Um we allowed parents and players of a certain age to come work the concessions and they were paid um a an hourly wage basically. And the money that they earned was put towards the registration fees. And we were able to completely cover the registration fees of nine football players. Um, and then we had some that didn't completely cover their fees, but but a good chunk was taken off. And while nine may not seem like a huge number, were one of the smallest districts in the Ute conference. um the majority of the players and parents that took advantage of this opportunity either their children would not have been able to play to pay or play um or they had we had one family that had three or four kids playing and so you times our registration fee by four and that's huge. So, as um a conference or as a district, we didn't take any money. We simply provided the concessions. Um we made our money back and then everything was given back to those in our community that helped run it and it was very successful.

Great. I will add that I had compliments from the community because, you know, for a while we didn't have it open and what's going to the ball game without a concession stand? That's the only reason the brothers and sisters go. So to have that bustling was wonderful. And these girls did an amazing job. Steph is making pulled pork sandwiches over there. And I mean they've gone above and beyond. It's amazing. And I can't tell them thank you enough for bringing our park alive over there because they really did help to do that.

Well, and it actually, just so you know, it does give the boys an added love of playing because they worked for it. And so it honestly was kind of cool to see the families come in and all support the one kid on the team that you know in their family that would be playing or in the one family that had three. It just I it made them work for it and it you know it wasn't just like a handout. They actually had to put forth an effort. And so I think it just I don't know it was very good for everybody. And we have a long list of people that want to do it. We're hoping we can accommodate everybody now because it does help out a lot of families. So, we appreciate it.

Thank you. Thank you. And just as a reminder, when we were running the concession ourselves, we were having to pay staff on purchasing product. Um, and so we were running at a deficit for the city and we thought, let's come up with a solution where we're not subsidizing that anymore. Um, and now we're able to give back to our own community who uses our facilities for their games. So, yeah. Do you have any questions? You have one? Yeah.

Just out of curiosity, there is not anything I don't love about this program. I think it's great for the city. I think it's really great that we're able to that you guys are able to provide opportunities for kids to play football. But I but I do have one question. Did anyone approach you or the city and say, "Hey, why why not us? I just want to make sure that we're not um I guess prioritizing one group over another." Um nope. We we haven't had any other interest. Okay. Great. It's really hard finding anybody to take on that potential. It's a big responsibility. It's a huge cost and when you have volunteers, it's it's No, it's a great partnership. Okay.

We we try to find We couldn't find anybody for a couple years. So, well, it's I agree with Robin. Found some suckers to take it on. So, yeah, there's energy in the park when there's when there's treats available. So, that's really it's really wonderful for a lot of reasons. It really is awesome. It's a great partnership. Yeah. Lisa, can I just ask is is there any problem with precedent where we're not charging anything? Is that is that is there I mean I'm totally supportive too, but there anything we should be worried about that way?

Yeah, I think that um we have noticed this as a public hearing tonight. Um there is a statute we call it the 1082 which talks about how municipalities you know we're a fiduciary with the public's money and so if we are going to donate money um then we need to have a public hearing and I they've made some amendments recently to the statute that make it clear for this kind of situation where we're waving fees for a nonprofit we just have to have the public hearing. We don't have to comply with a lot of the other requirements. So um I think and also given the history that we have tried to rent this out and that this is a win-win um again so I think there is some consideration in the contract for us because the city is getting services provided for uh the baseball program as well as you know providing this. So I I think in this situation that um it's really just having a public hearing seeing if anybody's opposed to the use of our funds for that wave. Again, last year we we just charged a dollar, but I think this year we're suggesting we have that public hearing so we can comply with the 1082.

Okay, great. With that, then uh since Lisa says we need should do a public hearing on it, we'll go into the public hearing portion. So, the public hearing for the concessioner agreement and fee waiver uh with the youth conference uh is now open. if you're inclined to comment. Uh once again, uh state your name for the record. Anybody online?

We have Dell online, but I don't think he wants to come.

Seeing no comment uh from the public on that, I will close that public hearing. and we'll bring it back to uh I don't believe council any more questions but if you did is there any more questions for the applicant or for our staff at all before I look for a motion I'll make a motion that we approve the concessionary agreement with the youth conference incorporated for the use of the concession facilities at community park for the spring 2026 baseball season for purposes of raising funds for the Vmont Little League football program and approved the fee waiver after the successful Completion of the public hearing for second.

Motion to second. Further discussion. Let's vote. Council Mikum. I I I I I.

That passes unanimously. Five to zero. Thank you. Thank you uh for uh keeping our people happy with food as they watch their little ones play ball. So appreciate it. All right. Let's go to item number two. This is probably what many of you are here for. This is going to be a public hearing on the general plan. Uh we're going to call up Mike Evot and he has a guest with him as well too. I'm going to let him introduce rather than going into a big long uh update of it. But basically, we'll be doing our general plan. It's been quite a few years and it's gone through planning commission. after many times of them hearing it, it's come forward to us and uh we're this is not the last discussion we'll have on it. This is actually our our first after planning commission approved it. I mean, we talked about doing it months and months ago, years ago. Um, but uh I just wanted to we wanted to have this public hearing first to get any comments from from the the public uh before we go into the the further deliberations. So with that, Mike.

Thank you, mayor. Um just to give a brief history, I won't go over all the details. There's a larger summary in the the council pack public can look at it but uh the city's engagement with Selma started in June of 2024 where uh they did the commencement of their process to get research and and talk to key stakeholders and learn more about the community. Um, since that time, they continued to work with staff and and members of the city to um prepare for public engagement opportunities that took place during um the fall into, excuse me, the winter of 2024. And then in 2025, there was an open house that was provided to the public um in January. And then there was a mailer that went out in April to all the residents, a survey mailer to receive a feedback from the public. Um and that documentation came back and was provided to the contract group SUS. Um following that uh SUS through Chris Hup who is the lead agent of their company uh took took all that information compiled it and continued working on a draft comprehensive general plan update document. Um he continued to work with city staff, multiple different department heads and leaders as well as community development in putting together the document. And then the final draft version of that document was prepared and ready to go to the the planning commission on October 22nd uh with the public hearing element. That meeting for the planning commission first review was scheduled and the public hearing did occur on October 22nd wherein the planning commission accepted comments from the public as well as um deliberated amongst themselves on the first draft. I believe at that same meeting, Chris did do a presentation to the planning commission, that first review presentation for them to to learn more about the final document or at least the draft document at that time and to deliberate upon it. At the conclusion of their discussion and and

following the public hearing, the the planning commission did continue the public hearing on that item to November 12th. Uh during the November 12th meeting, they did hold that that second public hearing. And I will go back and say that the guidance was for staff to explicitly state that written commentary could be provided and it should be provided if members of the public had written comments they would like to share. Um we did receive written commentary that was included in the packet for the November 12th meeting and um the planning commission reviewed that that information as well as um held another public hearing to re receive further commentary. And at the conclusion of that um discussion, they made a motion to table the matter for another future discussion and scheduled that discussion before December 10th. Um they also afforded more time for the public to provide written commentary up to the date of the packet creation. Um that was the Friday before the the December 10th meeting. Um at the December 10th meeting, there was not a public hearing. There was just a meeting wherein they reviewed all the public commentary that had been provided to them. um and the the general plan and then worked through um the information that was before them. Uh the ultimate conclusion of that discussion was that the planning commission made a recommendation for city council consideration or a favorable recommendation to the city council uh for the the comprehensive draft document, general plan document with the understanding that there was a list of items that they felt needed to be further evaluated, topics of discussion. Those eight items are identified in the minutes that are attached in the packet. Um and then also with guidance that the staff work on um any scrier's errors that had been identified or would be identified prior to it going to city council as well as a substantive error regarding an active transportation plan that has not been uh adopted by the city. Those changes were made. The

document was updated. And the most recent documentation we received um from SUS was on uh January 15th and that is the version of the document found in the packet. I will note um that with the document that's found in the packet, there are two alternative versions of pages 51 and 52 relative to moderate income housing strategies that could be evaluated. Um as as I discussed the planning commission findings um with Mr. hub and also some comments I'd received from the public relative to that. Uh what you'll see in your packet are the the u main updated document that is the January 15th version, those alternative pages, the comments that were provided to the city up to uh November 12th in in advance of the um meeting with the planning commission and then comments that were provided up to December 4th that were provided in advance of the December meeting with the planning commission. And then there was a commentary provided on December 8th that was also included in the packet by resident of the community. Um and then you'll see the notice information and then the planning commission minutes. I will also note that this meeting tonight, we had a a public hearing um scheduled for it and we met state and city requirements for that. And as part of that, we did receive a public comment packet that had been provided by a resident and had been emailed yesterday to the council and the mayor as well as city staff and the city recorder has received that email as well. So that is is there on the record. Um with that, I will just note real quick an introduction to Mr. Chris up who is sitting here who will take my place in a moment or you can come up for Chris if you'd like. Chris Chris up does as I note worked works for SUS and has helped multiple cities with planning elements, general plans, code updates as well as private sector projects. Um one notably that he he evidenced in the work session is the station park project in

Farmington and continues to help that group with that. So Chris does have multiple years of experience in this industry doing that. And I will also note that he is a a board member of APA Utah, which is the American Planning Association, Utah chapter. So, uh, he does have a pulse of a lot of things that are going on with state legislative updates and even this most recent se recent session, which I'm sure planner to planner, he and I may have further discussions about what those implications are because there may be some impacts to to uh moderate income housing discussions and other items that we may have to look at. So, um, I believe that that's that's everything on this item as an introduction and I will turn it over to you, Chris, if you'd like to take it from here. Okay.

And I'll be available for questions. I'll just sit here.

Excellent. Can Can we pull up just those first three slides? So, uh, go to the There we go. This is the jitter plan overview. Just our our timeline. Uh, we've already addressed some of that. I don't need to to go into depth here. This is also the same timeline that we presented at the planning commission back in October, but the general scope and schedule that we took for this progress to or this process to date to date. Um, you'll notice the orange ones are the public open houses where we had specific in-person events. Uh, and then there's some other mailers and other things that happen throughout the process. Uh in addition to that the drafting of the elements started in in February 2025 as far as starting some of the pieces for example transportation the other like open space as we went through that and then we had that additional survey that went out to every resident in the city in March 2025 and then we incorporated that feedback and adjusted the elements as we continue to go through. So there again very brief overview of of the timeline. Um slide here are the vision and goals. So these vision and goals were refined over three in-person events and the mailer and two online surveys. As we went through this, our first version of this actually excluded, you'll notice the uh item three, create, maintain, improve city parks. That was actually not in the original survey, but we had so many writings that it became part of the survey and then was voted on so much that it became the one of the top three priorities as far as vision and goal for the city. These were all ranked by

residents of the city and and then prioritized by votes that they received. So, first and foremost, and and I don't think anyone uh wouldn't agree with this this main priority is maintainil's culture and quality of life. We want to keep Centerville Centerville. And so, that was the the number one thing. Number two that we heard from residents was preserve the hillside for open space. meaning let's not develop, let's not build this out, keep it open space, keep it recreation use. We we don't want houses and things up up the hillside. The third item again as mentioned before is create maintain and improve the city park. So there's specific items and things that were delineated in those those public engagement events that residents wanted to be part of the park system and we've notated those. And then the fourth item, this actually came out in a few different versions. The question uh it kept being refined. The the last three survey responses had the option um as part of the questions where no development and then the other four options had some version of a change to the development. And we'll touch I can touch on that, but over 80% said we want something changed on Main Street. We don't want it to stay as is. But it it became a heavy priority as far as beautifification when you drive into Centerville knowing the difference between Bountiful, Centerville, Farmington, Centerville. Uh there's no transition when you cross the city boundary. And so creating that sense of place uh further so that when people come in, they they can see and feel the difference. And then the the to round out the top five is create a plan for the west side. So there are state mandates. There are state things that need to happen. There's the wetlands that exist on that west side. And so

there's there's a lot of opportunities there. There's a lot of challenges and creating a plan for that west side became one of the top priorities as heard from residents. And so as we went through this, those were the the top priorities. Again, you'll see they're rounded out to the 10. um dining uh early on. Sitown restaurants was one of our tops. It it dropped as as time went on, but it still it still made the top 10. Um and so there's a few different items on that list that that made it into those top 10 as far as residents and and a cumulative review of the surveys and things that were were made. If we can go to the last or this next slide. So these are the seven general plan elements. You'll notice I've I put on the left the seven elements and the primary driver for these elements. Land use transportation and housing are state required elements. You have to have them as every general plan. Open space and recreation is not a requirement but is public uh desire and so we've included that to that desire. Public facilities matches that as well. two specific items that we heard multiple times, a cemetery and schools. Just just for clarification, city council and the city doesn't distinguish if schools are happening. That's the school district. Uh you can help facilitate some of that use by giving data and projections of what will happen in the city, but that's a a school district maintained thing. But we do address all public facilities uh as as part of of that element. Conservation preservation, it's a state requirement in that you need to have a water element and we incorporate the water element into the conservation and preservation

element. And then economic development. There's some opportunities for uh there's a term called leakage, which means if I have a $100 and I'm a a resident, am I spending all $100 in the city or is some of that money leaking to a different city? That's essentially what that means. There's some significant leakage that we wanted to look at. Overall, the city's doing well. It's a 151% uh as far as I'm going to use another term, capture rate, meaning how much of that $100 you're capturing from every resident is actually staying in the city versus going somewhere else. And so you're you're over that 100% meaning that and then some are actually coming into the city to spend their their dollars. So, that's that's a good piece and and that's sort of the general overview that we'll touch on before we open up to the well that that's this initial presentation. All right. Well, what we're going to do now is uh I think the council's going to have some questions for uh Chris and Mike. Uh maybe it'll help the public answer your some of your questions and what you don't get answered. Then we we'll have the public here come up as well too. I just want to ask Chris a little curiosity question first. We got 419 on the mail out response that we did and and that's when the council stepped back and said we want to give the people more time. They authorized more funds to do a mail out because not everybody is on email. So we got 419 responses there. How many responses in overall at Christmas parties, at Fourth of July parties? How many residents you think you've talked with? Oh. Um,

I mean, we know Fort9 for sure. So, I'm not going to hold you. It is over 10% of the population. Okay. So, over 10% of our population of 16 and a half 17,000. Who's our perfect on how many people we have? Got the calculator. 16 or 17,000.

Okay. So, realizing that they're not all here tonight. Appreciate everybody's here tonight, but people have put put their input as well, too. Uh we wish 1,600 people would be here tonight or at least the 419, but uh so I'm just urging CA council that as we deliberate over the next few weeks on this that we remember that uh we have had response from all those people uh and remember in in our representation of the the public as a whole that that we remember all those people that have put their comments in. So, I just wanted to start it out by that to realize that uh we have had quite a bit of involvement. They're not all here at this meeting, but but uh we've had some great input in the period of almost two years. So, with that said, uh council, what questions do you do you do you have for for Chris, if any?

Chris, we have had a few comments. Um, one of them was uh related to water just specifically. I just wanted to ask you, it seems like it might be helpful to reference our master plans. Is that a typical best practice in a general plan? Yes.

Okay. I think that would be helpful because some of that information is very detailed in the master plan. Like for example, the water plan goes out 40 years on water supply. It doesn't just go 20. So I think that those types of things might be a you know attach the parks and wreck master plan that our parks working on all of those some of those are have not been adopted by the city council and would have to be but I think that those are critical in just broadening you know where you may find other resources.

Yeah. Where the legislature is going is to require more in the general plan to date. It's it's a little bit looser as far as you you're supposed to consult the um DNR and you're supposed to consult water consultant or the water conservancy districts. That's generally the requirement. Outside of that, you need to have a water element that that talks about land use and how you're minimizing consumption, meaning the usage of water. That's generally what a general plan needs to do. Now, with that being said, the direction that they are going is to use the water resource plans that are being established in each of the cities and integrate that into the general plan so it's more prominent, but it I'm going to use this on purpose because it's funny, a watered down version of it. Um, so that was cool, clever. Um, okay. I just wanted to make sure that we had because that is part of the state required part of the general plan. I wanted to make sure that we had effectively covered that. It seemed to me that we have but maybe just referencing that.

Yeah. As far as requirements today, we technically meet all those. We can we can add a few items um to to help further demonstrate that that water preser or the water conservation plan. Okay. Thank you, Chris. We talked earlier about Fizz. Um, we're a lot of the people are really concerned about that being in our general plan. Is that something that you feel like we need to leave in the general plan?

No. And and let me clarify that answer a little bit. The the general plan, the moderate income housing pieces of the general plan, the you are required to have three we have we're showing five and the reason we're showing five is because when you show five you get priority funding. So if if all cities are equal, nobody submits any. No one gets funding. If if you submit three, you get funding or have the potential to get funding. If you submit five, you actually go to this upper echelon of priority funding, meaning before the general cities that only had three. So, by doing those five, you're actually putting yourself in a different bracket, a closer bracket, more priority to get funding. That being said, those five elements, uh, we propose specific items that could help based on the vision that we've already talked about. It does not need to be those five. The city can choose which five they or or if you don't want priority funding. If you want to be second tier, you can choose three. I would propose going with the five because at the very least, if you hit three of them, you still get funding. If if you make moves to do the five, you can get better opportunities for that funding. But it doesn't need to be fizz. It could it doesn't need to be hops. It doesn't need to be any of these specifics. That's up to the city and the vision of the residents.

And so these are not the ones the council has picked. These are just ones that you these are proposed five as placeholders and we need to talk about that and pick which five we would like to be.

Yeah. There's several of the ones that are already in that plan were utilized in the past and so there's some tradition already there in reporting uh and and God bless planners uh city planners because the amount of recording that they have to do or reporting that they have to do thanks to our our wonderful state uh legislature is a lot. Um so keeping some of that tradition is helpful but fizz is is a newer one. Uh since we originally proposed that new discussions have happened where there could be a significant amount of work to go into establishing a fizz. So that may be one that we transition off of that five. Just just for reference. Hopefully that helps.

Chris I'm I'm newer to the council. Were those five identified by a previous council or did they come from you? So those five parts of them came from the previous reports that had been done. There were uh so we have Zans's Bank Public Finance as one of our subconultants as as our consultant team. Um Susie Becker has been doing this for longer than I've been alive um almost. So they're the group that actually proposed these. They're highly related to the legislature and understand a lot of what's happening. And so that was the original proposal.

Okay. That that leads me into my next question. A little more intense. Chris, as you know, Cedville is very unique. You've worked with a lot of different cities

and we're about build out on the east side, correct? And we have opportunity on the west side which I think everybody is uh thanks for and and looking forward. Uh in identified as priorities on our on the elements and you've mentioned that the priority in this city was small town character and culture and feel. And it's it's strikingly uh evident that in the plan there is a tremendous amount of of emphasis on housing and on density and on on land use. And in fact a little word search uh five times in the in theund how many pages are there in the plan total uh small town character or Phil is mentioned and 252 times density related issues are talked about mandates from the state talked about we all know the pressure from there

right we're we're a unique city we're different than other cities and we appreciate that. And then other development terms, mixed use, multif family, town center, walkable, uh 252, that that's a 50 of that's a ratio of 1 to 50. The feel in in reading and reviewing extensively the document is it is heavily centered on which was clear down to number seven on the priorities and very little emphasis put on number one priority. Can you talk to us a little bit about that?

Yeah, I can. And um I would most likely guess because I I don't have the document in front of me clearly. Most of those references are found in the moderate income housing. And the reason why is because state mandate specific things and they use the dword. I don't use the dword. In most cities, it's a curse word. And so moderate income housing, most of those references to density and and those types of things are referenced in the moderate income housing. That being said, if you look at the land use element, you look at the map and the discussions that we have on the use of these different product types and things like the detached and so on. The east side, there are two specific changes on land use. They're both green field and what that means is undeveloped um agricultural grounds at this point. There's two agricultural grounds that we show in the future land use map as detached housing and that just means it doesn't share a common wall. So if you look at the land use element, it talks heavily about leaving that east side alone. And the map realistically and and this this is a uh a commentary on society everywhere that I've worked. People don't read. It's really sad, but it's reality. So that map shows a lot. Now, with that being said, I work on the development side. I work on the city side. I've worked with so many cities. One of the very first things that I do is I look at a city's general plan. And the first thing that I do is I look at the vision. And the reason why I look at that is because if I look at the vision first and I understand this is their priorities, this is the lens at which they're looking at everything.

If I'm trying to argue a specific thing later in the document and it doesn't match the vision, 100 times out of 100 times, that argument will be lost. I know this because I've gone through this. And so, you may not know because you're newer, but as I've worked with the rest of the council, I love Centerville and I want to protect Centerville. I know exactly what I'm doing. I know exactly what the legislature is doing and I wrote this specifically me to protect Centerville and the values and the things that I've seen here. So I can understand uh a general search may show 252 items of a word being used. A lot of that's in moderate income housing. A lot of that may fall under mixed use because we talk about mixed use on the west side. But outside of that in the um node two I'm going to call it as such and then I'm going to explain where that is is a commercial on parish that is commercial and entertainment. We don't talk anything about mixed use. We don't talk anything about density on the east side. Zero mention of that it's all west side and mixed development. And also we don't reference vertical mixed use. And I'm going to class or clarify that so you understand the difference between vertical and horizontal. Horizontal mixed use means I have a a commercial building here and right next to it is a house or an office. That's horizontal. Vertical mixeduse means I put a house on top of a commercial building. So that's vertical. We don't mention the vertical mixeduse. Especially there's already some mixed use along Main Street. And realistically, thank you. My mouth is super dry.

Um, we don't mention it at all along Main Street because frankly, if you try to do vertical mixed use, a most developers are going to come in and try and go four stories bare minimum. You've all been on Main Street. That doesn't belong there. So, don't do it. Don't screw it up. And that's why we talk about it that way. We're allowing horizontal and things because it already exists. We're not going to say, "Sorry, um, oh my gosh, I forgot the name of the restaurant. I actually got a free sandwich from them because I came so

Cutlers. Thank you." But we don't want to kick existing users out. And so we were very careful how we wrote that so that if a developer would come in they would not have the fodder to fight it. Hope hopefully that gives you a sense for it. Well, Phil uh Chris we you understand I we all feel a real responsibility to have

Yeah. the the citizens served in every way financially and and every other way with those precious tax dollars that have gone to to fund this this uh study. And $130,000 uh is a is a significant amount of money. And we and talking again about the uniqueness of the city. I don't know how many cities especially of this size population after a presentation like that. There's 144 full pages of public input we had at the uh which is more pages than the plan itself. very specific, some excellent uh suggestions and some excellent input from some very knowledgeable and commendable citizens in our city and I've c can you please explain to us you've you've put a lot of emphasis on citizen input are surveys tremendously helpful, insightful uh and there were some public comments about maybe the way some of those were worded and leading and those things. I understand there's there's going to be challenges and complaints about lots of things and uh but but that's been a real emphasis to get to where you draft a plan. So then we get a written draft of the plan and the planning commission by the way and I want to clarify Mike mentioned a little earlier that that planning commission reviewed it extensively. uh they only had the majority of the public input, the hund and something pages uh for a few days before they then reviewed it. and the sentiment of the planning commission. I sat in every one of those meetings and listened to every

presentation you made and that the planning commission discussed this and they identified that they preferred the city council look extensively at the public comment and review the input from from the uh uh excellent people we had who presented. Right. C can I can I interject just momentarily? So, here's the thing. Um, I love residents. I've spoken with a lot of residents. I've read all of that and and as a side note, you've read all 60. I just want to clarify.

Yes, I did. I donated nearly $200 of my personal time that I did not charge to this project. Realistically, $130 $130,000 is a significant amount of money, but most general plans are significantly more expensive than that. Just so you know, I've dealt with a lot of cities and I love centeril and that's why I was willing to donate that time to read through those comments. That being said, I'm going to put a pin in that and I'm going to come back to it. When you go through a general plan process and you go through all this public engagement, what's more important looking at the mass body that you put together or the write in information? And and I'm going to clarify this comment. When you look at poll statistics, when you look at mail-in votes, when you look in mailers that get sent out, the vast majority of the people that respond to that are a very specific demographic. It's not a nice framed view of the entire public. So, do you want to look at only the upper echelon or do you want to look at everyone? And that's that's the difficulty I have with putting undue pressure on just this upper echelon of information that came in. I want to look at everyone in the city. I want to include everyone, not just a certain portion. And that's what hurts me when I hear some of the things like that. like just just being honest and and personal here. That's what hurts me because we went through extens extensive research and and extensive public engagement and and something that's very interesting. 2% is statistically valid, meaning 2% of the population. And realistically in most cities they get about one and a half to two% of the population saying

something because there's so much lethargic nature to the way that people respond to things nowadays. So that we have to get innovative in how we approach the people and get a true snapshot of everyone. And so that's what we did. So to throw away all that public engagement for the people that and it's no offense to anyone in this room, but typically the people that come to these meetings don't have an issue with it. They're fine with it and they gave their feedback when they wanted to and they're usually a certain demographic of the city, which is a wealthier group, hands down.

Okay. So, did you make any changes? My goodness. Did I make any changes? Yes, a lot. Um, let's uh I think Rob might have This is why I tried to bring up that 419 people responded to surveys and you probably potentially met with 1600 people. So, we want to listen. We want to hear every council me. Did you have something or is Councilman Councilwoman Hurst up? I thought you may. The question was, we've spent a lot of time on our foothills plan. Can that be attached to this general plan as like an appendix and referenced in the document? Yeah,

it's accepted to be part of it when somebody's looking. I mean, they spent I was not on the council, but they spent years and years on it, and I feel like it really has some great protection of our foothills, a little more than what this general plan has. So, can we just kind of incorporate that into this general plan? Um, I I can't make that decision. That's a your decision. So, um, yes, it can be incorporated, but that that's that's not on me. That that's this body. Okay. Can I ask you, do you feel left out, Mike? You can engage, too, because you've been in this whole thing. So, doing a fantastic,

let's go let Councilwoman Hurst go then. Councilman Plamer, you can go. Chris, just to clarify, the 10 goals listed on page 11 and 12, those were determined by the surveys that you ran, these this ordering of these goals, just to be clear to the council, is residential input. The first five were very clear what mattered to residents seemed to be across the board pretty statistically. I I think there is importance in recognizing that that's what it is. But also with that you um the housing is number seven, but it's also state required, right? That that modern income housing element has to be in there.

It it wasn't always the case, but yes, it's a must and and the state has been adding and adding and adding pressure. This new legislative update may soften that a little bit. They're pivoting because they lost their their housings are sub. Um I that's their appointed name, not mine. Um they lost that individual and so they've made some pivots in this last legislative update that they've just finished up. And so we're waiting to see how some of those things unfold, but some of that pressure may be released a little bit, but not a lot. the pressure like the thumb is still being pushed heavily.

Yeah. I still think it's important to note that the housing um some of the comments that I've heard just in the open houses and other things is that people are wanting it's family centered housing which doesn't always necessarily mean just single family detached housing options. It depends on where you're at in life. Older people complain to me that there are not retirement housing options. Obviously, we have younger families, too. Can you provide any When you get when you get statistics like we have in this, the statistics are telling to me, the 418, you get to 400 and you've got a pretty statistically stable plus or minus 5% margin of error,

right? Do you see that with other cities? How are we ranking with statistics? We also had some very high percentages, 83.5% that looked at moderate income housing on the west side. How did those statistic What do they say to you? I mean, it's it's pretty obvious when it's that skewed one direction

that it's needed. And again, the the point is it's not needed everywhere. We even had this discussion and and all the counselor well sorry you weren't there at the time but the rest of the council was there and we had this discussion of do we leave it complete on the west side because that's what residents have said or is there pockets that make sense on the east side okay and as a body we came together generally and said don't put on the east side put on the west side so

can that make for I Guess I'm I'm just trying to understand the data that we received versus, you know, state requirements trying to put these all together. Um, can we make flourishing neighborhoods on the west side with that type of plan? Yes. Okay.

And and so currently when we spoke with residents on the west side and even residents on the east side were like, "Wait, we have a west side." I was a little shocked by that. I-15 makes sense. It's a big dam blocking the east and the west. I I understand that. But there was a sense on the on the west side that they're not integrated with the east side. And the reason is because it's essentially a few spots and then they're surrounded by industrial. In order to make them feel part of the community, you add more community, which means of commercial and and residents and other things like that to add to that community so they can feel more a part of something as opposed to Yeah, we're forgotten.

Okay. Thank you, Council McLower. Yes. Thank you, Mayor. Um, I've got a few technical questions and a couple of other questions regarding the plan. Um, do does the city have the edible source file for this general plan? Not not the not the most recent recent version. We sent the previous, but we didn't send the most recent version. But are there propriety limitations to that? No, no, no. That's we already sent the previous version. We just haven't sent the most recent because

what format is that in? So the original format is designed in in design. It's a an Adobe creative suite product but uh historically we'll give the in design will give the PDF and we'll give a word version okay of those documents so they can be edited. Correct. Thank you. Because again something could change 50 years 10 years down the road like co nobody knew that was happening. Right. There may be opportunities in the future to amend it

is what we'll be looking at as Okay. So, um uh first off, I do want to say thank you to you and your team done and you provided a good framework for us to start from moving forward here. I think um is is there any thoughts on the pages lane where the DI was? Let me uh just uh finish up my kind of long uh question here. I don't remember seeing really a a lot of information on that area. Um, and it it looks like on the map that it's staying the same, but that to me is is maybe unrealistic. So, I I was wondering if you it had any conversations with the church in that regard as they're the main property owners in that area. Um, also is there any um thoughts or uh how uh a large residential development on the west side would affect the current political climate of the city? If we added a a large group of people onto the west side, how is that do we need to take that into consideration as we we look at um higher density the the dword, but it will be most likely higher density than what we have on the east side. How would we want to uh mitigate some of those challenges with uh a number of new residents coming in to the city?

As far as voting on council or as far as how that might affect the the political balance of our city as it currently is.

Yeah. And tell me if I I miss generally the sense But typically and traditionally, if you look at councils across Utah, the whole nation really, the individuals that run for council, and are typically in in a how do I put this delicate, they're a little bit more well off than others. They're they're usually in the middle to upper range. So adding more affordable type product, you probably won't see anyone sitting here from that group. That's not to say that it wouldn't happen. It's just it typically doesn't happen. So as far as council is concerned which is essentially the buck stops here that wouldn't change much uh historically looking at cities. That being said the the voting may change but you don't run on a political party. So if if you get more intense, maybe there's a shift, but generally culture in Utah is certain way. And so I I don't foresee a massive change in the character of the city based on what's being proposed on the west side. Most of it's commercial. There is some additional residential, but as was mentioned and there's some individuals in in the audience today that we've spoken to that specifically mentioned the the this is something that we missed early on after the first we didn't really hear about senior housing, but I've heard from residents in the

congregation or I say congregation but audience uh you know what I mean? um the audience about well that's a miss you need to add this in and so we added some of those components into it. So there's there's a significant component that could happen on that that west side for senior housing as well. So which wouldn't change the demographic. It just gives a place for the people to grow old in

because in most cities that don't think about that they kick their residents out and and I'm a product of that. My wife was born in Sandy, Utah. We lived in Sandy when we were first married. And at a certain point, seriously got kicked out of the city because there was nowhere for us to live. We There's nothing that we could afford there. So, we moved. We had to. We got kicked out of the city because of that affordability issue. And that is what we heard from residents. We got nowhere to go. Or I'm I'm getting into my older years and I can't live in my house anymore. I can't take care of a yard. I need a place and there's nowhere here. So that's going to be part of that component. So realistically, I do not think it will shift the political climate of the city significantly.

And the pages lane, thank you for that. Yeah, pages lane again to the east side. We were told leave it alone. So we essentially left it alone. like we have infill on our targeted areas and things like that for the commercial so that we can increase the tax base but generally we love it the way that it is leave it alone trying to do that. All right. Did you have any

I actually did. Um Chris, you were just asked how the westside development would impact the political makeup of the city and there was a specific reference made to higher density, which I have to assume that the unstated concern there is that higher density will result in more lower income residents who will skew more liberal. I assume that that's the basis for that question. In your view as an experienced planner, as a member of the APA board, is it appropriate for a city to make general planning decisions based on how it will impact political demographics? No, it's not.

No, it's like you need a place for everyone. I want a place for my kids to live. They will not be able to when they first get married or when they first move out be able to afford what I have. They just won't. And and we've all lived in something that isn't what we live in now. You had to start somewhere. And I know people think, well, just get a single family home. You can afford. No, they can't. New single family homes are ridiculous. Your home might be X price, but a new one is at least $200,000 more. It's rough.

Thank you. Um, based on those last two comments, I grew I grew I don't know if this is re Yeah, I think it's relevant. I grew up in the Mil Creek holiday area. Uh, it was a wonderful wonderful area. Uh, when you talk about political and religious, it's completely different now than what it was. Okay. Uh my wife is more conservative than I am probably and uh she grew up in Alabama than St. George. We moved to the Centerville. We've tried to integrate. We've been here a lot of years and and be what Centerville people are. We've loved Centerville. Okay. But as cities are closer to Salt Lake and that sort of thing and as people age, I saw it in the Mil Creek Holiday area. people from the outside come in and they may not be of your same political and religious belief and your homes get bought and and and I don't know how you stop that even if you put in just single family homes everywhere you know. Well, and and the incredible trend that that you're sort of referencing as well happened in a really rapid pace after 2020 where Utons who grew up in Utah, left Salt Lake because it was expensive and they went elsewhere and then we had thousands and thousands of people come from California and New York and Texas and Midwest and all over the place. It adds diversity. It adds character. It adds understanding. The culture of Salt Lake County is not the same it was four years ago. Is that a bad thing? No. Is it a good thing? No. It's a thing.

It's the reality of where we live. And uh if we continue to t we have the best economy for the last 18 years and we want a great economy, we're going to attract people here outside of And your kids, our kids, if you want them to stay here, they got to have a job. Okay. And so you have to have a decent economy. Heavens knows we don't want some major catastrophe, some nuclear fallout or something else that makes us our land undesirable and none of us can live here. So it it's growth growth brings challenges, right?

And I love single family homes as well too, but it brings challenges. and what we're getting from the state. Uh that last uh uh slide beforehand. I mean, I often tell my my clients, I'm a a tax practitioner. I often tell them there's black and white with the IRS. There's gray in the middle that we can be aggressive or conservative as you want, but we have to obey the law. So, there's laws that come from the state. And this past session, maybe because we lost our housing zar, the the league wants to say it's because they've been been doing more uh promoting. Maybe it's both. Okay. We haven't been interfered with as much land use wise, but they still they've tried to hit us property tax- wise pretty hard. Um uh we have to obey the law unless we're going to secede from the union and declare our own independence. Right.

Yeah. And so maybe we can be aggressive in some areas, but there's other areas it's black and white that we have to follow uh in in in some of these housing plans that we're getting. And that's why I constantly put in mayor's messages. Uh we continue to battle from what the for what laws the state's putting upon us, but it's reality. It is there and we continue to battle. And I've often said to residents, uh, if you don't like some of these changes from the housing standpoint, you need to be hitting your representatives a lot harder. You need to be hitting us because it's not us that's that that's setting those. And so that's just a comment I want to make too before we open it to a public hearing as well.

I want to add one thing to that as well. Up until 2021, the growth in Utah was the vast majority of births, not in migration. People weren't people were moving in, but not at the rate that child births were happening. So most of the problem is our own fault. It is our kids aren't having kids. I mean, if we ought to start getting getting into it, you know, I mean, they're not generating the the amount of births that they used to, you know, and so we we have to have some in migration that to help take our care of our service needs, take care of an aging population.

And and the greatest state secret is out. Everyone loves coming to Utah because it's beautiful and we've got all these opportunities and these recreation things. Great. Great. Yeah. It brings challenges but opportunities job security for everyone in the room.

So, uh, council, I'm sure you're going to ask some more questions, but the public came as well, too. And I think I've given everybody a chance to say something. Uh, so we are going to go to the public hearing, uh, portion of this. This is a public hearing on um, uh, the general plan comprehensive update. I I do uh want to make notes so y'all know that we received from Mike Egget and Chris Hup, we received messages that uh and and notes of your changes to the general plan. And when I say we, the council received them all and they have them and these will be discussed at at further work sessions and gatherings. Okay? And I want anybody to comment that wants to comment. But I'm just telling you that uh uh for those of you that are here that are named Cammy Leightton, Craig Preston, David Sherry Leightton, Nancy Smith, Richard Leighton, Tammy Bryson, and Heather Taylor uh from that she was representing the tree board. If if you've given those notes you've given to us or you gave the planning commission, they have come to us. So, uh you can comment on those again if you want, but you don't need to. We have those if you're concerned we don't have them and the council all has them. So, uh those are in our possession, but uh you know, well, anybody's welcome to comment, but I just wanted you to know beforehand that those uh that we do have those. Uh and so with that said, uh there the public hearing is now open on uh the general plan comprehensive update. State your name, please, for the record. And mayor, can I make a quick request that uh if they are willing, anybody that comes up, would they just mention if they responded to one of the surveys and which ones they did respond to?

If you want to. You're not you're not required to do that. That's not a requirement to speak. Uh but but if you want to. Thank you.

Good evening, Dave Leighton. I was on his list. Um I was also at the meeting earlier the public uh the other meeting work session uh one of the one of those that participated in the planning commission meetings. I've attended a lot of those and and uh spent spent some time with with those with those members of of the of the uh planning commission. Thank you for hearing us and and knowing knowing also that uh we are interested in in Centerville. It's Centerville, not Centerville. Um I only ask that you thoroughly review review the the comments that are given by by the citizens. Uh there's a lot of time and a lot of effort put into those. Thank you to Loy Patterson, the subchair of the planning committee. She

That's Lorie Patterson. Loray Patterson. Laorray Patterson. Thank you to her. Not Leroy. Laorray. I meant to say Laorray. Sorry.

Uh the subchair of the planning committee uh she passionately recommended that uh this this uh general plan not pass in the in the in the uh pine commission without without notes and without the uh the uh comments from from the citizens. Uh, with that, I think it's really important that the um you consider every word that that's been shared. Without her, I think it might have passed the other way. So, thank thank you to her for her um making sure that that that happened. Um, I'm sure that Mr. Hoff and this company mean well and they're they're they're they're professionals at this and and better at a lot of what they do than than what we do. But we also ask you to consider strongly the the words words of the citizens of Centerville. Um I'm I'm okay with my kids living outside of Centerville. I've shared this before. Um I have kids that live in in various various parts of Utah and I'm okay with them not living right in Centerville. It's fine with me. One daughter was living in Kisville. Uh she wanted to live in Centerville and she did a ground downgrade in her home so that she could buy a fixer upper and now she lives in Centerville. And uh so I I I think that it's okay if we don't have a place for each one of our children to live in Centerville Centerville. I I even said it wrong. Um I also uh prior to one of the open sessions of the planning committee, I

walked my neighborhood and visited four or five homes of of individuals to let them know that there was there was a general plan. And each one of them didn't know there was a general plan. Somehow they missed the survey or the information. Five of them didn't know about it. And five of them attended the the the uh the open the open meeting and made three of the five made comments. These are people that are not upper class. These are in a common neighborhood. Two of them are retired. Three of them have have common jobs. Uh these are common people that have a have a great a great love for Centerville and and want its want its best. So, thank you for your time and thank you for all you do and thank you for hearing the the words of the the uh the citizens.

Thanks, Dave. And yeah, I did I did receive uh the uh the survey. I know the last one I did. I'm not sure I remember seeing the first the first one. So, okay. Thank you for answering.

Hi. Hey.

Um I'm Brea Johnson. I live at um Williams Lane, so near um Porter Lane and Northwest if that helps you in the area. So um a couple comments I wanted to say. First, thank you for engaging a good and responsible service to help plan and map this out. I was very impressed by them. Um, and they were very thoughtful in their approach. Um, so I really appreciate that. I have a bit of a cold. I wanted to be here tonight because I felt it was important. So, if my voice is raspy, sorry about that. Um, for context, I'm a transplant from California. I came here in 1999 to go to Utah State. I married a bountiful boy. We lived in Logan in a fixeruper house and we moved here to Centerville. We were so lucky to get a house here in Centerville 12 years ago. No, way 2012. I can't do math.

Yeah, a long time. Um, I have three kids. They enjoy our city parks. Even my adult son loves Freedom Hills parks and plays disc golf. So, thank you for prioritizing parks. It is good to have a healthy active population to have that area for them to do. So, thank you. Um, a couple of things. Based upon my address, you know that um, Porter Walton Homes were very controversial that were built, the town homes there. I am LDS and so I attend the ward house and know that population. I am grateful for the those single ladies that live by themselves that are older families with young kids that have come in because that development came in the homes that were torn the home that was torn down next to the church there. There are milliondoll homes being built right there if you look them up. So town homes do not devalue the property. They add a great population. will say many of those town homes they're directors and biotechs many things. So I'll leave it at that. So I'm very pleased with that. This is lengthy. Um again I want to just say you know I have some input from the trails one and a city one that I did very early on. I have not been giving commu you know continual comments on that. Um I'm also a mountain bike coach for Vmont. So we give back to our community. So please know that people are coming. They love the community. they want to add to it. And just because I grew up out of state doesn't mean I don't love it here. My children are thriving here. My family thrives here and I want to maintain it and build it responsibly. But growth is coming. You can't prevent it. And if you don't set a plan as has been done, then it won't be done responsibly and it will be haphazardly.

There'll be lawsuits and expensive things for our city. So, um, I appreciate that. Thank you. Thank you so much for doing this. Others

Tyson Kramer. I'm a local Senova resident. I've been here for roughly 20 years. Um I'm a supporter of the plan. I think it was well thought out. I think it's been a lot of efforts been put into it. Uh, one thing I do for work as I travel around the country, I run businesses in communities all across the country. And the one thing I found is that the communities that don't find ways to evolve and grow and adapt, they're the ones usually suffer the most and die. And I really don't want to see that in my own community. I love Centerville. I'm an active participant here. I've volunteered at the Centerville Elementary, at the junior high, at the high school. I've coached little league baseball here. I'm part of the Centerville uh parks and wreck. I'm an active participant and I'm a huge supporter of keeping this alive, vibrant community and hoping that you guys can see that as well. So, I just want to put my support towards this community plan. It's great work and I appreciate all the effort you guys put into it. Thanks.

Thanks, guys. Nancy Smith, Centerville resident. I always feel like I need him on up because we can't hear you. We assume you can't hear us. Um, thank you, mayor, council members, for what you are doing. I think and I hope that you will look through the comments that I recently submitted which pretty much sum up the core issues that I have with a lens of clarity. I'm just looking for clarity to make a the general plan a better product because as I went through that there were quite a few areas that were confusing and because I have them in the documents I won't go through all of that but just to mention a few. For example, as I read um in the reinvestment areas that talked about CDA, it specifically shows that and yet in the context there is nothing that refers to a CDA. It's only CRAAS and other other type of developments. That's confusing to me. Also, um, as was mentioned tonight, it was brought up by the consultant that Main Street, one of the top priorities was to revitalize Main Street. And yet, I find it very interesting that in the document in the reinvestment area, Main Street is deleted. It's not part of it. That's confuses me. The other area that I want to point out, there's a ton, but you have the document is um was mentioned tonight, the value of having color-coded maps, which are great. I love seeing all of that green

for attached residential and detached residential. But what bothers me or concerns me is that we do not anywhere in the general plan show base zones. I can look at attached residential, but I don't know what my base zone is. And if a developer were to come before the planning commission and ask for a zone change in attached residential or detached residential, is there anything in the current general plan that would guide that decision? And I would have to say there isn't. Now maybe maybe those are going to be put in the zoning ordinance and taken out of a general plan. Historically, they've always been in the general plan. So without a policy direction in a general plan that weakens the possibility of keeping our city what we envision it to be. So those are just a few of the concerns that I have and I again I hope that you will take those documents that I submitted look at them through the lens of will they help clarify will they help understand and is that actually what we want to have in our city. I thank you for your time and I appreciate the effort that you will go through as you go through this general plan. Thank you. Thanks, Nancy.

Andrea Richmond, Centerville. Um, I know the massive amount of time that Nancy has taken to review the the general plan and I know her her wisdom and her knowledge and um I just really want you guys to, you know, respect that and make sure that that you read what she's actually taken the the time to to submit because uh she took a lot of time um to to submit that to you guys. And also, um, I live in the same area as as, uh, Breida does and and I love where I live and, uh, the the Brighton homes down there. Um, I love the the the people there and, um, they have been an absolute beautiful thing, um, in our area and our in our in our ward. However, it also has been World War um three down there because of the the cheap construction that Brighton Homes left them. They just there's been so many so many issues down there. So I I hope that with this um new general plan and that you entertain quality um you know that we entertain quality developers, developers who are honest and respect the people for whom they are building for and that you actually send inspectors to inspect the entire you know building instead of just them inspecting one of the condos. that that has been such an issue down there and I feel sorry for the beautiful people of that the road is way too small. There's just been so many issues. People have actually moved out with uh a lot of anger in their hearts because of what Brighton Home has has left them. So anyway, um that's all I have to say and I I really appreciate your your service and also all that that that you have

done. Thank you.

Thanks, Andrew. Hello, I'm uh Brian Richmond. I live Andrea's husband. We live in Centerville. I have not heard anything about the cemetery. Um we're full. We need more land for the cemetery. I realize that there's not a lot of land to to have for the cemetery, but that's something we need to think about. So, thank you. Thanks, Brian. Now, we're going to give staff a chance to respond and some of those things or or cancel some of those things uh we'll hit on. Uh so, we're we're taking your comments, Dan. Next,

Dennis Davis. I really just have a question in you referred to the requirements of the state uh I think trying to promote lowcost housing and such. Do they have any uh does the state have any power to uh influence zoning in in the city or can the city council zone land the way that people want and the state can't say anything about it? That's a question because um I think property owners and and the city council zoning makes a big difference on how the land ends up being used.

So if anybody has a quick answer to that, I don't know. No, but they continue to try and push hard. There was a a bill this year. Okay. But so there's usually a bill every Yeah. So you want me to we can go into more detail after your public hearing. Yeah, we can because we'll we're writing these questions down. So hope we get to them. But that's why I just answer it generally. We'll get into more detail on others.

I'm gonna I'm gonna read a little bit. Sorry. Um, good evening council members. Appreciate your time and the amount of effort and energy that you put in. I'm getting there. I'm just saying thank you for all the work that you're doing. Okay.

Um, my name is Dallas Johnson. I've lived in Centerville for almost 15 years. I was born and raised in neighboring Bountiful. Um, my father was the mayor of Bountiful for 12 years. I've sat in a lot of these meetings. Um, I recently quit my corporate job and got a job teaching at local junior high over at Bountiful Jr. I spent almost a decade at Centerville Parks coaching one of the the young baseball teams. Um, now with my wife, I've spent almost eight years coaching Vmont's mountain bike team. I love this community. I love being here. I love living here. And I love my family living here. Um, I like the history of this area. I think it's it's neat. We're in a unique space where there's not a lot of room because of the the mountains and the wetlands. Um, we have a small town Phil, but we're next to a big town. Um, so there's some challenges that you all face for that. Um, I know sometimes there can be a strong aversion to certain types of growth um because of how we feel or how they're named or or um it was the bad word density, right? Um and I I get that. I completely understand the desire to protect what we have. I do believe it's important to recognize that thoughtful gross growth can also strengthen our community. Um, as a parent, I'm perfectly fine if my kids choose to live somewhere else outside of Centerville. However, I would love for them to have the opportunity to choose to live here if they can, and I would like opportunities for them to have those choices available in the forms of where they live and the types of homes they can choose. Um, it's been brought up a few times, but we have a few areas in our neighborhood like Brighton Homes and Shayla Park that are higher density homes that have brought a number of

amazing families and people to our area that could not be here otherwise. Um, younger generations like different kinds of homes. They don't necessarily want the yard. They don't necessarily want the space. uh but they do want the same kinds of values and community that we have here and those types of communities offer that to them. I think it should be explored. Um growth also means thinking about our amenities that we have. Uh I have an adult child that spends a lot of time dragging me out on the mountain and spends a lot of time dragging me over to the disc golf course. Um, I've done a lot of running races and a lot of bike races in a lot of the different areas of this town and I'm super grateful of all the growth that we have there. I hope it continues and I hope that that is a direction that we'd like to go to provide opportunities for all kinds of individuals to enjoy this unique space that we have. I just want to make sure that the council knows that there are residents, especially younger families that do support balanced, thoughtful development um in growth of different types and sizes, not just single family homes. Um we have our issues like with the cemetery, if some of you have been here long enough, my dad was not kind when he came and talked to you about that. Um but they're issues that we do need to solve. Um that we can solve. Uh but there's more than one way to do it. And it's really important that we all um as citizens do our best to understand that we have different peoples of different ideas, different demographics, um different religious ideas, different political affiliations, and they all belong here. Um diversity makes us stronger and and I I just think it's important that we keep all of that in mind as we continue to listen to all the feedback and all the input and all of our own desires as we put forth this plan. Thank you for your time. Thank you for all the long hard work that you guys

do. I know how much you love listening to us talk. Um I've had a lot of conversations with my dad about it before he passed away. Uh and I thank you for your patience and your understanding for all of us. Thank you. Thank you, Dallas. And by the way, sorry for your loss in last year. If you guys never met Joe Johnson, he was a cool dude. He was the best. Uh, and you might have said he wasn't kind when he came to talk to us. I wasn't here, but he he he was he was a kind guy. He was awesome. So, thank

Cammy Leight in Centerville President. I have been very excited the last so many months to hear that our governor Cox has pushed more smaller homes. I think Salt Lake has finally realized that they have overburdened Salt Lake City with town houses and apartments in these smaller places and they need that transition now. And so they have been excited I at least from Governor Cox is what I've gotten the feeling from that the next step is these smaller homes. And so my thing is is why can't we be that city for these this transition? Um I met somebody has it been about a year getting my new phone. She was from Holiday. She's single and she said we're so tired some of us that are living in these apartments and con condos and town homes. She says I can afford a home but I need a smaller home. She does not want to stay in a condo or a town home type complex. And some of these senior citizens want to get out of their 4,000 square foot homes. They want to stay in a home, but they just want a smaller home. They don't want a twotory or threetory townhouse or apartment. And we have those, and I'm glad that we do, but we do have plenty of that. We probably have enough for Centerbell. So I would ask you to really look at this next transition um of a smaller home area. The other thing is is that in an apartment, in a condo, and in a town home, how many children can you have? And I've talked to people about this and they're saying they're almost forced to not have more children because they are stuck in a

two-bedroom apartment and they feel like they can't grow their family like they would like and they want to get into a smaller home with a very small yard. And so that's what I'm hoping that we we look at. And I don't think we've talked enough about industrial. I would like to see more industrial on the west side and more business. We need to bring a lot more business in. Thank you.

Thanks, Gabby. Larry Smith, senator resident since uh 1995. Um, I guess I whoever asked if I filled out the survey, I I noticed that I'm one of the non-lethargic demographic individuals who didn't fill out the survey, but I collected my data by walking around the city and I might have an opinion. So, I'd like to go to the plan real quick since I did read the whole thing, which is is kind of odd, right? I don't know who reads those kind of documents. um to the principles and practices which I think are kind of summed up in goal number one. I'm going to read it even though it's obvious. Maintain Centerville's culture and quality of life. Centerville residents cherish their small town community first atmosphere and convenient access to services. The city will protect its historic buildings, support community events, and preserve the unified small town feel that defines Centerville's characteristics or character. So then a couple of pages on down from that is what I feel is the essence of that statement and that is preserve centerville's character through thoughtfully planning development to maintain Centerville's unique charm and I saw the word quaint other places. So, just because I do this, I looked up quaint. Quaint and charm require a lot of work. They do. Quaint, pleasingly or

strikingly old-fashioned, marked by skillful design, marked by beauty or elegance, and charm is a trait that fascinates, allures, or delights, and brings admiration. That's going to require a lot of work. So, I'll give my bottom line up front even though I have more to cover. Um, this plan needs to be reviewed again and get some more input. Um, and the council continue to debate it and look at it. I don't know what the hurry is. So, um, I I do like the structure of the report. Uh, there was a lot of charm in it. I think you can use a lot of those pictures that they took on your website because they're quaint and charming. Um, you might since you paid for it, might as well take get access to them. A few more things. I heard the word protect centerville. It may require that we secede from the union if we control our zoning laws. I'm being somewhat facitious, but mayor, you use those words. So, secede from the union to protect Centerville. I noticed on the report there's a list of stakeholders. I also noticed that there's a lot that are not listed um that are kind of implied but not listed and that's the ones that like are the UD do and the other corporate entities, the legislature um the general class of state requirements, but kind of like 47G group that's kind of you've heard of them. They're the the entity that kind of controls Davis County North and Hill Air Force Base and the building that's happening there. They're a huge stakeholder up there and they kind they in some cases they run the show. So those stakeholders were not listed in

the plan as stakeholders, but in the reading of it, I think those other entities were brought in as stakeholders. Um, when I was on the Davis school board, I we we listed a we listened to a lot of plans, particularly when entities like cities wanted to revitalize certain areas and uh got tax increment funds. The biggest stakeholder is the school district because they're the biggest property tax taker, I guess. And hence, and I thought it was odd that we were always the last ones to review these plans. And so Centerville did that. Um Blaine Lutz, you remember him probably came and presented the frontage road and also the Westside Business Park. And you know, everybody has good ideas and good plans, but sometimes the things change. So again, really careful planning. And if you're going to design this quaint charm, even on the west side, um that'll take a lot of uh looking into. I remember looking at Clearfield's uh plan and reviewing it and also Woods Cross where the Smiths are and I was against some of those because sometimes the data that is presented is not the data that is makes it self manifest. One of those was that it's also in terms of the high density here in Centerville on the west side when the apartments were being built there by Maverick is and also when Blaine Lutz and others presented the west corridor um for the business park uh area that they said that it would the the highdensity housing wouldn't affect the schools. You mean like you can control who moves into those apartments? So, I don't want to be too brutal, but that was bunk because they did affect the schools in some way and and so sometimes there's ramifications for what

we do and what we don't do uh in the the outy years. Um the walking path, I forget the name of it, that's supposed to be considered through I think Main Street going down Parish Pages Lane maybe or uh Chase Lane and across the frontage road. There's a buzz word to that. I forget what it's called, but that's going to be a lot of work to bring in because I don't I don't recall how they're going to put that in the general plan. But those uh sidewalks that are separate from the street with a parkway, that's going to require a lot of space and very very careful planning. And I believe those could be very quaint and very charming. Um but again, that's going to take some work. Um I think the the mountain bike folks that a few of them are representative and I have a number in my area. They're almost like a voting block unto themselves. Just saying. But um yeah, we can do something really great that that accommodates the the walking and the trails. Again, quaint, charming is probably still applies to even mountain bike trails. Um um I want to be brutal on one development if I may. Um the Hive development I believe that's north of Centerpoint when they were first developing and taking over the the zoning that was there. Um we asked what the price of those units would be. They're kind of like the highdensity housing town home kind of combo deal, I guess. And the price was pretty high. pretty high 400k plus and then it went to 500 and then people were probably selling it for like 600. I don't know what the current market is but if that's high density housing or I mean I don't quite know what it is but it's brutal to

the citizens for regardless of your uh pay ability. Um it's it's just very expensive. So that's just one comment. Uh, real quickly on Freedom Hills Park, um, I went up the other day and that's great park, but it also speaks to the legacy of the forgotten gener or the, uh, the greatest generation, which the words quaint and charming, I think, would apply. They would probably think differently uh, if they had got to speak. But the interesting thing I find out when I talk to my kids, they kind of are now reverting to the music of my generation, rather than going progressive, they go what daddy and mama liked, which was a little bit more traditional. And uh we may have seen that in some of the how some of these things turned out. Comment on the center cemetery that was just brought up. Um, yes, I have some my my daughter actually sent a text of putting some flowers on my wife's uh grave up at Lakeside or Lake Lakeside Memorial there in Bountiful. Although I live in Centerville and it was full, but uh I think last meeting and I've come to two meetings in a row, so I'm going to drop that trend. I'll see you next year. Uh um one of the your city staff and I talked about that uh Centerville Cemetery hillside potential. That could be amazing. I think 10K is what they mentioned about spending the funds to at least look at the possibilities for soil. It's worth 10K. Um I think it could be amazing and charming and beautiful like the Freedom Hills Park. kind of like a bowl that looks into the this the whole city. Uh that

would require some work. Quaint and charming would be wonderful I believe with the cemetery as I can testify to. So those are a few of my comments. Uh I guess the bottom line repeated is the principles that were outlined in the top goal. goal is almost like a requirement is to uh consider reviewing this again at least you as a council maybe reverting back to the planning commission for their comments. I don't know how the process has worked. Um, and make this quaint and charming, which is, I guess, the words that were heavily stated by virtue of their definition of protecting Centerville. Thanks. Thank you, Larry. So, while he's walking back, charm definition, the power or quality of giving delight or arousing admiration, not only in what we build, but that's up to us as people as well, too. Us 16 and a half, 17,000 people. We have the responsibility to uh be charming as as well too, just not what we build. Okay. So, that's what makes community great, the people that's in it. So that that's what you want to build is that continual service and friendship amongst people. Next.

Hi, good evening. My name is Becky Wright. Um I'm resident here of Centerville for nearly 20 years and uh grew up most of my life in South Davis County and love seeing so many familiar faces. I was on planning commission for seven years, if you can believe it, and had a great opportunity uh to learn a lot about Centerville, specifically through the planning and zoning opportunities of that um body. Um huge thanks to all of you for coming because this is sometimes a thankless job and even though we all come and say thank you, thank you, thank you, that was great. Um and I just want to say what an amazing opportunity this is. This is such a wonderful opportunity. I remember back in 2015 when we had the Main Street plan and then we started talking about the general plan. And guess what? That's been 11 years now. But if we don't come to an agreement on a plan, it's sort of like starting the new year without any goals. Maybe there are people who don't like to do goals the new year. I get it. I get it. But I love that we're looking at this great opportunity. This is a beautiful opportunity to come together and say, "Hey, what a like we have done amazing job. We live in a great place. We are such a unique place and also we're sort of like a lot of places in in Utah as well. There's a lot of things that are really great about Centerville and also how can we maintain those things but then look forward and say we do need to plan. We do need to have something on the books so that when people come before planning commission, which I was part of, and they say, "We're following your plan and we're giving you this new thing that we want to do." If we haven't updated our general plan, if we haven't looked at what um could potentially be pitfalls, then we're left at sort of the whim or the or the the real will of what people or developers want to have in

Centerville. So, I love this opportunity. I will say uh in general, I am a big fan of just planning and making sure that we have a plan. Also, in general, I would say I am um supportive of the general plan as it stands. Do I think it's perfect? No. Do I think that Centerville is perfect? No. But I think that we can come to an agreement. I think um coming together and recognizing not only the the comments that we're hearing tonight, all of your ideas that you have on um the council and then recognizing maybe some of the things that you want on the council are not exactly what might be good for the for Centerville in 10 years or in the next little bit. And there is a lot of talk about what uh the state legislature is doing. And it's really easy to point to them and say like they're the bad guys. They're telling us that we have to do stuff. As a reminder, and I'm sure that Lisa Romney will remind you of this frequently, municipal municipalities gain their power from the state legislature. We gain our power. We have the ability to be a little city given to us from the state legislature. So, there are some things that we have to recognize. Um, yeah, we don't want them telling us what to do, obviously, but they're trying to look at what's going to happen in Centerville with the Olympics, what's going to happen um for Centerville with the Great Salt Lake, what's going to happen here? And so, there are going to be some things that we need to take into consideration, say, not just they're the boogeyman, they're the bad guys, but why would they be asking that of us, and if they're truly representative of us, what can we learn from that? So, I would just I would just caution us from saying everything that they say and do is wrong. I do think it would be better if we can have more control over that. But but look at that and say why would they be asking us to look at smart housing? What trends are

we seeing generally in the state in the region in our Wasatch front and how can we be a part of that solution? The other thing I would say too that I've always felt is pretty unique about Centerville, it is that we always talk about the geography of Centerville, how it is, you know, landlocked between different things, but we have a real chance to with this general plan look at what we can do to make us really stand out as a feeling of a of a community, right? So, we don't want to just become the pass through city. Logically, there are people that are going to be passing through our city quite often, and especially if there's something wrong on I-15, but I would encourage you to think through what it is that we're doing in this general plan that does support what we've heard tonight, community, diversity, and diversity in thought and opinion and diversity in buildings, diversity in businesses. I'm a small business owner with my business here in Centerville. I work from home most of the time and I love being here in Centerville and having a small business here, but I also know that there are some things that I'm definitely going to go to a different city for because it works better for me as a as a um small business owner. All of that being said, I think generally the plan is a good plan and I would encourage you to continue to think through ways in which we can work together and strengthen one another through some of our different opinions and notice that it doesn't have to just be one way or no growth or nothing like that actually will will be a detriment to our city. So, if we can look at how can we see this as a great opportunity to plan for the future and recognize these um amazing opportunities that we have, that would be my my charge for us as a as a city and as a council. So, thank you so much.

Thanks, Becky. I love the enthusiasm. And she's pricricked my heart. I don't hate the state legislature. My dad was in it for 10 years. I got every nook and cranny memorized up there from when I was a kid. They're not perfect. I I love the state legislature. They just passed too many bills, especially this year. It's just hard to keep up.

That's right. And I love the passion. I was I did not appoint uh I was not the mayor that asked her to be planning commission. I was Cutler, but she was on it when I came in and she was excited about this general plan. She had to start her business and so she couldn't couldn't stay on planning commission. But that synergy that we have going and that excitement, uh I get excited about. Uh, and so I love this process, everybody here tonight, and trying to come up with a really great plan that that that fits fits what our needs are for the future. Is there more? Wow, I shouldn't have made those comments. I It discouraged everybody, but I guess we've got through everybody. So, all right, not hearing any uh more comments. I will close the public hearing. And I think we've all taken notes, but I'm going to turn it back to the staff, to Mike, and and uh to our consultant Chris to answer some of these areas. And council, if you've made notes, too, check off if they get some of these these questions answered and uh what what they they don't hit uh I will cover and what I don't cover, you guys can hit. Fair enough. Did do you need me to bring up some points or did you take notes? I think both.

Okay. So, just kind of address the uh their some of their questions quick. Do you want to go first? Yeah. Maybe hit them. Right. Well,

so just just starting off at the consider the comments um we heard okay with kids not living in Cville. I I wanted to address that one first. I I heard both sides of that. Um the unfortunate thing is again I've worked with currently I'm working with I don't know 14 different cities along the Wasatch Front. Every single one of them I've heard residents say the same thing. So if nobody wants their kids to live with them, and this may be this may come across as harsh, but it's not intended to be such. It's more to make a point. Stop having kids. Cuz the reality is I I I in a different city shouldn't be responsible for your city's children, just like another city's not responsible for your children. So to take to take that approach to say someone else will deal with my my problem is is sort of an inappropriate thing and going back to the state comment that is why they are pushing this because everyone is saying the same thing. I don't want to deal with that. Have them live somewhere else. And the state's like well everyone's saying that so now we're going to push these mandates on all of you. And and to the same point of they grant the authority to the city to make decisions and there have been a few bills that would take that authority away in certain circumstances. No one wants that. That is not good for cities. That is not good for the state. We have to take care of our own. Chris, if I can add a little bit to that and the concern I've brought up several times is there are states like the state of Oregon where any of the land use planning is actually approved by the state. They have actually taken on all land use planning. So if you want to make changes to your zoning within your city, you need to find a neighbor who's willing to take on that zone and and

swap because they have certain expectations. And luckily right now we're frustrated with the state, but also we can't necessarily resist the state because right now they're they're allowing us to dictate our own future if we do certain conditions. So right now we're getting incentives and we're getting the carrot, but if we continue to resist or fight or we don't play ball, the the stick will come out. And that's the the worry for us that we we need to continue to work with them um and find a positive path forward. So Chris, I don't know if you have anything to add to that or

Well, so I'm not saying you need to plan for all of your kids. You're a finite community. You can only do so much. And I'm not saying stop having kids either, but the reality is we need to plan at least for some of them. That that's that's the only comment with that. I don't know if you had anything to add. And and back to your point, like Oregon's going and other states are looking at it. They're not the only one.

They're not the only one. They're thinking the West Coast. Yeah, there's several states, right? Five total, but there's another like four because I work with a lot of the APA boards across the country to understand what they're doing and their issues. A lot of states are dealing with the same issue we are and it's it's frightening. Yeah. Okay. Thanks. Um I I think I want to go to the one where we talked about redevelopment areas and there was some confusion about commentary there. And just a quick uh I guess update or reminder to the group about redevelopment areas. The state has given us a lot of confusion in that field of of development as well over the years. When the redevelopment areas first came out in the 80s, they were just called redevelopment areas and then they did modifications of them in the '9s and changed the rules and they updated those rules. And then in 2007, the state legislature further changed the the term of a redevelopment area from an RDA to uh community development areas. And they they bifur well not guess not bifrocated they split it three ways into urban renewal areas uh economic development areas and uh community development areas. And all three of them had very different uh reasons for existing. And I don't I guess I could just briefly say like an urban renewal area was for redevelopment of an existing area for new uses or other uses. Uh a community development area was raw ground development uh into new typically retail or other similar office products for a community. And then economic development areas were for industrial development needs of a community. So if you're going to try to grow a job or a business park, you would do an economic development area. And then in 2016, because the the three um areas were so I guess confusing and confused by a lot of communities, the state thought, well, let's just consolidate all these into a community renewal area, which are CRAAS. And so when you look in the plan and you see

CDA or RDA or CRA, there's some deliber deliberate reasoning to identify them as such because of the age of that area and how it was developed. So when you talk about like your your parish your parish lane redevelopment plan area, there are tools within those areas. There is a development plan, there's a development budget, and then there's the actual agreements that that crown those documents. And so the reason that the language in the document is referenced the way it is is because of the nature of how those areas are being referenced I believe in how you've put together the language. And so it could feel confusing to someone who doesn't maybe have that understanding of the difference in those areas. But you don't want to intermix uh we don't want to intermix an area that was established by using a CDA principle and call it a CRA because they are not the same. they weren't established by the same rules and they're under different guidance or different codes throughout the years. So I just want to clarify I think that point because I think that could dispel the confusion with that that language that's found in that area economic development section

and there's certain economic development tools I'll call them that can't overlay over each other either and and are actually conflicting in their nature and so you can't because of different code guidance of how they're operating. Yeah. Yeah. Um I I'm just going linear through comments that I heard. Uh town homes don't devalue. It wasn't a question I don't think, but that's actually an accurate statement.

Um we've done a a fair amount of research on attached product and in most cases it actually increases value because commercial and other sources come with it and then the whole values go up. So that's actually an accurate statement. Sorry to fact check you, but it's factual. Uh, communities that don't find a way to evolve, uh, adapt and die. Look at Oram, wonderful ORUM. They have essentially said no growth and certain parts of the city are dying. The commercial is leaving because they're like, well, if you're not going to update, we're out. And they've moved to Provo and they moved to AF and they've moved to all these other cities. So parts of the city are dying because they're like, "We don't want it." And so it's struggling now. And and and we're not proposing change everything. That's not it at all. But just as you have a house, if you don't paint it every once in a while and if you don't do the upkeep, your house is going to fall apart and then it's not going to be worth anything. We don't want that. No one wants that. You have to, as was mentioned, the quaint. We need to keep doing these quaint things so that we stay quaint. Point yesterday is not point today. So great comments.

Um cemetery briefly. Oh, the cemetery. Yeah, let's talk about

the general plan actually addresses several locations for potential cemetery. We knew that was an issue. Uh we talked about it here. We talked about it with the public. We established several locations. There are cost issues in some of those locations and and constraints. Uh, for example, one of the potential locations is west of I-15 and you would have to elevate the site otherwise you'd have like not to be crashed but you'd have floating gaskets. Don't want that. Uh, so and and the slopes on the hillside are problematic because you also don't want to lose run. So there are some issues with some of those locations, but we've identified those locations so that that study can be done and find that location. it is needed. Um,

right back here. Okay. There was a Brian Richmond. So, and and I should also point out two weeks ago we had a big long discussion on that in our general session and went to a close session about potential properties we're looking at. So, we continue to to uh to work on it.

Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. Uh the the next one that I wanted to address just quickly is the base zones don't show anywhere. The general plan according to Ludma which is the state legislature laws and everything that we are governed under. Uh it talks about land use. It does not talk about zoning. And the difference between land use and zoning is one is regulatory and it says exactly what you're supposed to do. The other is this is the general use for this area. So that's why we address this as a land use because that's the requirement. We show the land use. That's not to say that we can't add a segment that says these zones could be equated to these zones. So

we we talked about that and and we can add that

with little effort. Um but being clear land use guides the the use of it and it also does another thing. It allows the council and planning commission flexibility to make changes real time after whatever distance of time. So a good example is in American Fork as we were working with them COVID happened and they had a zoning map and as opposed to a land use map and they basically had to change everything because CO changed everything. But land use gives you greater flexibility where it says this is the general land use of employment or whatever. It could fit these types of zones and that gives you the ability to say no that's not in line with what we're we're pursuing as far as vision with this. So it gives you greater flexibility by not establishing a zoning map as opposed to just a land use uh for the general plan. This is a general plan which guides the general vision. Zoning map is required for enforcement. Hopefully that helps. Um, did you have anything to add with that?

So, typically not best practice to include the zoning in the general plan. Uh, the a practice could be if this is the land use, it could equate to these six categorical reference to zoning as opposed to it's this that could be amended or modified as the city needed to. Correct. Yeah. So, Mike, is it in our old general plan?

I don't I don't know if the zoning is the zoning specifically outlined in the general plan. Yeah, it's it's well, no areas areas do identify. So, the neighborhoods do identify RL or AL uses depending on the neighborhoods and they do identify specific zoning types that are allowed within those neighborhoods. So yesishish I thought it did but it's a it's a hybrid version because things were established and so I was like well that's there is guidance there. It's it's commentary and direction of what types are uses and geographically speaking in each neighborhood. What types would be allowed in those areas of those neighborhoods. Bryce found the old general plan in my office when he's clean it out. I can give you a copy if you I have a copy. I can read it.

Let's see. Um there is there was a question uh by resident Camulon about housing types in areas of the city and that is an interesting comment because I as I was thinking about I was thinking about the hops which again I will send you all that so you can see that is that six units an acre is the number I I actually thought of the hops too when she

when she was talking that would be a great zone because it doesn't require attached unit to be within in those areas. They can be solely detached units. They have a moderate income housing element. I think 60% of the the area has to have a moderate income housing element, but we're talking 80% of of uh average median income of the community is what would be the attainable price rate for that. They're owner occupied for the first Do you know if it's five years they're required to be owner occupied? Does that sound right?

Yeah, you um Lisa can probably correct, but it's 5 to 10, but yeah. But anyway, um, and there you can't have it be any larger than 10 total acres in area. So it seems to match what is being being considered here. The other benefit of creating a hops is it's actually increment driven for the infrastructure. So the city gets the proceeds of the increment growth and can use those proceed to develop the area for these new homes to be owner occupied to grow true residential home units as opposed to town homes. that that's not the city's preference. It seems like the state's trying to say, "Hey, we're trying to afford home ownership even if they are smaller home types that the city's open to that." Another advantage of a hops area is all of the um taxing entity districts are required to participate up to 60% of what the the local government entity determines is necessary to develop those areas. And it can be for a period up to 15 years. So, I know that's a little more deep than just the question, but I think that evidences some of the programs that are available to communities to benefit these types of of development that are maybe more single detached housing units um but still accomplish moderate income housing goals of a community. So,

yeah, there's a lot of tools that that could be utilized to help. And again, that's what the previous question was. It doesn't have to be these five. We can adapt those to the ones that best fit the city and and and that's the way that it should be and they could be different every year. I don't advise that because that's a lot of work. Don't don't Mike would really like it.

Um I I wanted to address uh one question about the the state having power just so we can directly the the state could take that power back. I I already addressed that, but the state could take the power to zone back as was previously mentioned. I just wanted to address that directly. They they aren't anticipating it as a general thing, but there are locations that they're anticipating it because of the issues that have happened where they've had runins with cities and like that and there's been concerns with that where it's got to go somewhere. So, I just want to address that. And then the um let's see uh as far as the apartments, town homes, town homes nowadays are as far as size of the house, they're just as big as single family detached homes. They have the same amount of uh in Utah County. If you look at the new town homes versus the single family detached, generally on the same or on on the same size as far as square footage, exact same units that you can have a family in a town home or you can have a family in a single family home. And as was mentioned, everyone has a different preference. I want a yard. Others may not. It's okay. It's okay to to not force what I want on that person and them not on me. that's okay to have that diversity of product type and diversity of product type actually increases the value of everything and makes things more affordable. So uh and then uh as far as the industrial, we actually propose industrial to shift north and be

yeah the business park to to shift north. The the we don't want the whole west side to be tilt up because that's actually one of your lowest tax values that you can get outside of residential. So, you would want commercial because dollar for dollar or square foot per square foot, you're getting 4x plus, it's actually a lot more than that, but you're getting significantly more tax revenue on one commercial building than you are on acres of tiltup. So, be careful about pushing all tilt up over there.

And when you say tilt up, you're talking industrial industrial flex type uses. Use a little jargon there. apologize, but you want a balance. Have both. You need both. It It builds a better vibrant community, but don't overdo one or the other. Well, it creates variation in job opportunities for your residents, so they get most more benefit that way, right? A a wider range of job opportunities to stay here. Yeah.

Um high density doesn't affect schools. Uh that was it does affect schools. He had mentioned that it doesn't affect schools. It does affect schools, but it affects schools at a drastically lower rate. Typically, you don't see children in apartments. So, that that comment is accurate. But town homes, it's almost one for one as far as a single family home and a town home nowadays. It's they affect schools very similarly. It is a little bit less of a rate for town homes than it is for for single family, but that is actually trending the other way. It's actually moving in the direction of town homes because more and more of the single family homes can't be afforded by families

demographic. So shift uh more of the effect is happening on town homes. Not so much on apartments. It does have an effect but but even single family homes we're seeing a trend where it's it's going downwards but it's it's sort of going to equalize uh as well. I think we addressed Yeah, I I don't I that's the thing I couldn't see anything else. Can you address as our community development director uh Andrew Richmond brought up uh building quality, selection of contractors and inspections of those homes?

Yeah. Um so we do we do in community development oversee um the building inspector for the city. to contracted an employee. And clearly if issues are identified and notified throughout the process, I would have a conversation with our building inspector about that. But um one thing that is continually being reviewed and debated by the state legislature again with town homes is how we go about inspecting and doing plans for town homes. And they're continually trying to take away the ability of a city to go one by one by one by one. And so it becomes harder and harder to um and I'm not trying to throw the legislature under the bus. It's just the facts. It becomes harder to look at each and every unit plan and then inspect each and every unit as they take away more and more of those keys from us. So, it's a it's a tough push pull because I recognize what what was said by by Miss Richmond about the quality of developers, but property developers do have rights to develop units and we do want to get the best quality we can. So, we need to make sure we're holding the plans to an expectation or standard of our community as well as making sure our our inspector is doing their job. Um, I guess another comment to that would be that as we do look at maybe other housing variations, even small home, smaller homes, the city can always evaluate uh design expectations or style guides that could be looked at um and and apply to project areas if uh a lot of times it's through some kind of agreement process or or light expectations. Again, I'm trying to be careful there because the state legislature, ironically, is still trying to even pull some of those design expectations away from us. So, again, it becomes a targeted push pull and how we get quality development, quality projects, quality homes, but at the same

time do it in a way that state legis legislature says you can't do that. It's a tough dynamic. So, Mike, I have a question. Are you telling me that on a town home? I mean, so many years ago when I built my house, they came and they checked the electrical, they checked the plumbing, they checked the framing. Do they not do that on each individual?

They they should be. Again, I can't evidence what was happening before. They should be, but what I guess I'm saying is more and more the state is eroding even that that because what developers are saying is we're building the exact same unit every time. Why you're questioning what we're doing? And so the state continues to erode those um studies of plants and those inspections of the units. So I think right now the inspections could happen unit by unit, but I know for sure like the plans you can only do one plan set and if the if the developer says they're each identical, then the one is good enough and the state is putting that pressure on us when we look at them that way.

I I can see that. I would it would make me nervous like with the electric, right? I mean, we had an electrician come to our house who was not the regular one that worked for our contractor and he wired everything backwards, including our phones. I mean, finally, the phone company just said to us, "Look, we're just going to rewire you backwards on the phone on the pole." It was easier than trying to rewire the whole house. And so, I'm thinking just because you have one electrician wire it here doesn't mean that it's here. So as a city I would Isn't that our responsibility?

It is and we're assuming liability before we give a certificate of occupancy on it. So that that's where but but I if there are challenges with the housing unit's been established for two or three years and the inspection's been done right then then I don't know. But if if after an inspector comes through and something's missed, I would hope that I get a call, right, to communicate to the inspector that something is missed or needs to be re-evaluated. Okay. I just was Yeah, sorry to confuse that, but I guess what I'm getting at is the state even on on a build that's identical, they're they're pulling back further and further our ability to regulate those kind of units

and materials and design standards are are being more heavily pulled back as opposed to allowing that regulation to happen at the city uh scale. And and all of these things are happening for the idea that the state's saying things are not affordable. What are we going to do to make them more affordable? That's why the state is doing those things from what we've heard. That's why it's happening to make things more affordable. So, I guess it just becomes more of a tight rope to get quality communities without the state saying you can't do that, right? But even though the argument is to make it affordable, they are still selling their units for market price as we've seen. And

oh, we do have a problem. So, it makes it it helps them. And I was gonna say we do have a problem because our legislator is made up a lot of developers and realators. I mean, but that's but that's the conversation they want us to have with developers where we incentivize and say, "Look, we'll give you more density, right? If you can restrict these units to being affordable to this amount and try to restrict that and that's how we control pricing and and to keep it low. So th those are the options. But so how do they decide who gets the cheap houses.

Well, it depends on what we want to do. So, um we'll get off just a little bit. Sorry. So, in a previous life, I managed these type of programs, deed restrictions, um type properties, and they're actually time consuming to make sure that the owner, it's owner occupied as well as incomeverified, but you can create as a city, we can create the application process to say here's how you qualify for the unit, and we manage that. But now, it's staff time verifying that it's owner occupied and not being leased out. And it is timeconuming but they're valuable programs after 5 10 15 years then they can they can move on but you've given this family an opportunity to move into a home. So they are timeconuming but we could create those plans or you work with the housing authority or the county who have these programs. You say look will you manage these for us since they already have those applications in place and which is what I would recommend if we went this direction. So,

so that that leads into Larry Smith's question, not part of the general plan, but the high development market prices control what they're selling for. That was a difficult one. We changed the use. We didn't as a council didn't come to us. Plus, her heart, she was chair of the planning commission and they they went through that emotional process. The use was changed. Uh we can't dictate what the prices our people sell. That's that's that's the market. Will you touch on one of the other Larry's questions? This general plan is an idea as you guys introduced of what the public would like to see going through those 10 priorities. Okay. So, when you outline the walking path, is that just what we want to see or do we have an idea of how we're going to put that walking path in that he's talking about? So I I feel like that might be talking about the South Davis Greenway, which is the other project that that we're working on with with council member um Hurst guiding well as the council representative on that. And that is meant to be a grade separated where where possible. It doesn't have to be in all cases, but clearly a separated pedestrian path to accommodate full safety for uh any cycling, walking, rolling type behaviors as a safegraded area to connect to our uh counterpart city in Bountiful along Northwest, go down Chase Lane, and then continue northward along frontage road as it connects to Farmington. And the the idea there is to create, for lack of a better way, a linear park amenity is the idea that would have landscaping features and and maybe even coloration or or directional signage and those sorts of things. So, it becomes almost in its own way a really exciting um community asset that could be an extension of the park system for the

community to that point. even it goes right by in in its conceptual um establishment community park which then with UD do's connection of their bridge over I-15 and Legacy connects to the Legacy Trail and you get this really nice unique connective park and trail system that becomes a great amenity for the community. So I guess long story short that's a little out of sequence with the general plan because that's a newer um process that we are working on is a benefit to all of the communities. When I say all the communities it's north Salt Lake Boundful us and Farmington connecting to even Fruit Heights. So on the north end it will connect to Fruit Heights. On the south end it'll connect to Salt Lake is the idea. But it it becomes then a large um feature of benefit. And I I guess mayor to your point, maybe that should be shared with Chris as part of the final document um to make sure we evidence that so that that's more clearly

explained and discussed in the document. That was one of my thoughts is that we maybe needed to add a little paragraph that's kind of potent because that could impact future trail and park development. Yeah. even guide further connections into it as as part of the system it's trying to be. So that's a that's a good good request for that. Well, and funding opportunities and a lot of different things because there's layered funding that you can put towards some of these things to make them work easier.

Yeah. Okay. I think we're losing people. So maybe you've got through your questions. So let me say the process going forward. Thank you for all your comments everybody. over the next few uh weeks, the the city council will be me meeting further on this as well too. Uh we appreciate all the comments and other comments that we have have gotten as well too. I just think and anybody correct me if I'm wrong that we cannot expect a perfect document, but we can expect a dang good document. Okay, I kind of look at it as the Declaration of Independence. You know, Thomas Jefferson was uh given the charge to write that. He he he struggled with it. If I get my history wrong, somebody's going to correct me, I'm sure. And uh he ultimately came back and he thought it was a perfect document. And he had to change some things and strike some things out and that sort of thing. But uh we don't want to get too caught up on words and I or a me or that sort of thing. this just the general of the plan. If there's conflicts uh from one section to another, then definitely we want to fix that. But we we got to understand that we'll never get through this thing if we get caught ups about all all the eyes and these. Now, if council sees they're all in agreement on a few of those, then you know that that then we'll get those changed. But uh it is an involving document but uh we would like to get get it settled. Now we also have to mix in our budget as well too which is all important to you as well too and uh we start that process for two nights in a row in a couple weeks. So that's where we're going with it. We love the comments. Uh look look for you're welcome to join uh further on work sessions and that sort of thing. Now, moving forward tonight, we got a public hearing on the adoption of of the

wildlife urban phase and arborday proclamation and a couple other things. And then council member Robin Mikum's going to sing to us her report. So, you might want to stay for that. You probably don't want to stay for that one. I have one question, Chris. So on this general plan, if we make some, you know, we talked about some changes, you'll do that and then give us once we once we've all met, we've got our got it where we want, then you go back through and re plug that in and give us the shiny end end product. Is that correct?

Right. So, so the end result of this process and was I can't remember you correct the inesign document the the final draft um that's been approved the word version of it all the I'm going to use another term it's a a software GIS data so that the city can actually track things and make adjustments to things so all of those things will be packaged up and handed to the city. Okay, that's what I want to We'll get the shape files what you're saying. Yeah, exactly. Okay, thank you. Thank you. And Chris, may I just comment to thank you for the hard work and and there's a there's a lot to this and we all get that,

right? And I think I think we're all grateful for a great backbone and a good good uh format here for for the general plan. I I wonder as as you have understood there's so much public comment are you willing to to give us some direction some guidance on that like yeah this is a great idea or this is not even legal or this is maybe incorporate I mean will you help us with that? Oh yeah and that's that's what we've been doing through the process. We got Chris to do that. We got Mike as well too because he's legalities and we have Lisa as as our attorney to see if some of these suggestions are even legal as well too. So,

right. So, hopefully we're and we got Brent. He's been a city manager and he knows what he's doing. Boy, I'm going to miss somebody. Okay. But anyway, um uh so so yes, I mean that but but you're contracted to do it. Can you can you look at those documents that we have now and say give us some feedback shortly because we want to we want to get to the end of the road here, right? We want to finish this up and we have done that. I I I mean I've read a lot.

We need to be respectful of Chris as well too. I own a business where you build by hours and uh and you you you try and be so polite but you can't let a few people take up all your time. So, we'd have to stay focused on who take who takes up their time.

Well, and I think it's important to remember, too, that we did expand the contract a year ago. So, I think I do think there needs to be some respect to the when he says he's spent 200 hours beyond the contract. That means he's not he is volunteering that time. Sus is not collecting money on that 200 hours. And I think it's really important that we he's been really good to us to donate that time. I think we need to be fair to him in our expectations of what he's going to do. And the reason I'm going to bring that up is because beyond the scope of what was presented and I did go back through and kind of review from the interview process your proposal. Um that did not include that mailer to all of the residents. I think that was extremely helpful but it was very timeconuming and it was beyond the scope. So I think if we're going to talk about that, we need to talk about being also fair to Sus as far as that goes.

Cuz you're right, he was willing to do that. I don't think S should have to work for free. And we'd spend extra money to do that as well. Well well too on the mailing part of it, you know, even though he was willing to do it with without any

cost. And when you delay because of that, it's delayed it. I mean, we we're a year beyond when this was supposed to be turned in. anytime you delay that long and you have that much more comment. I appreciate it and I'm so grateful for all of the resident comment. I don't I don't resent or I'm not sad about that. I'm really glad we've had this opportunity to get this out to the community and have more engaged feedback. I just think we need to be sensitive to the fact that this has gone a year beyond which means Chris has spent time that just wasn't included in that contract.

Yeah. Can I add one thing? Because mayor, I'm like you. I bill by the hour. 200 hours of donated time is five weeks. Five weeks of your life you gave to us for free that you and that's my personal life.

No, I know. So I just what I'm telling you, Chris, is when I heard that, I was actually shocked, right? Because I know how much 200 hours is to donate and for you to do that for us. I just want you to know that I really appreciate it. which is why I asked if we had the ability to obtain the file and internalize this from here on out. That was my intent because I feel like he has done a great service, a great uh and he's provided us a great product that we can now take from here if we want to go through and edit it ourselves. have somebody that uh in on staff that can make the strikethroughs that and uh edit those changes that we all can agree on and then provide a maybe a a a working final draft to SUS if they're willing to review that product. That might be what I'm talking about. But trying to incorporate Chris and Sus in any type of further uh support or advice. I think that's that's going above and beyond. And I I would want to internalize it from here on out.

I don't want to answer for Chris, but I'll uh want I'll answer that this way. In my opinion, I take pride in my work. Everybody takes pride in their work. and he doesn't want a product slashed all get out that really uh he doesn't want to put his name on. Okay. So, so that that's that's that's where we have to be careful with with what we do. We want uh we we we want a good general plan. But, uh why why did we go through the process of engaging a professional? That's and all the all the steps we went through. But that was because the council approved it including yourself. Uh, Councilman Plamer, I was not on the council at that,

you know, it it we approved that contract or it was approved. It doesn't, but it was approved. Okay. So, that that's just part of the process. So, so yes, we could make some changes, right? So, the process, he's been paid. He's provided a product. He's worked 200 hours outside of what we've contracted him for. Why are we trying to bring him back in without having paid any? Let's do it internally and then provide a product that to the to the the city that the citizens have a little bit of uh

you know they they they've bought into it because they've also had some input into this document. It's not just a corporate SOUS document. as we as we as we discuss this further as a council uh in in future sessions we we can make we can make our uh uh get the feel of the council of what direction they want to go there. Did you have something you want to say? We need to take a quick break. Uh no, if we're going to discuss it later, that's fine. Okay, let's take a quick five minute break uh because it is is late and then get back here to do those last few uh items that I talked about.

Okay, let me back up.

All right, are you ready, Jennifer? Okay, let's continue on. Uh, we actually have another public hearing. I don't think we'll have as many comments on this one unless uh uh Bryce King's longwinded or something. Uh so let's move on with that adoption of the wildland urban interface uh map. Um so uh Brent, Lisa, you guys want to talk about this? There's background in your material of why we're needing to do this, but uh you guys go ahead.

Great. Thank you, Mayor and Council. Um, I will say it's with a very heavy heart to present this item. We've been working with Chief Stewart um and Fire Marshall Fesler on this. Um, they've been helping us with our map and understanding the the reasons and the importance of this. And a couple weeks ago, Chief Stewart and uh our fire marshall walked I I think almost all of our border um and all of these areas and provided us with a 20page PowerPoint with pictures and which areas we should include in our map or because fires come down these drainages and they actually um continue to go down those drainages. So, some of those areas are important to protect and Bountiful has protected those areas outside of what we're proposing. But, um, anyway, I just want I do want to say that, uh, Chief Stewart was an amazing man and a a great leader and an amazing mentor and I will greatly miss him as well as thousands of people, our entire community as we've seen in the last couple days. So, um I appreciate all the work he's done on this and how important this was to him and so we are proposing to comply with state law which was adopted last year in the 2025 session um adopting the wildland urban interface code. So essentially it's uh a building code that the state has adopted. It's the 2006 version. Um, and they're proposing to adopt the 2024 version in some legislation this year. Um, I just double checked and I don't know. I it doesn't look like it's passed yet, but anyway, in order to comply with the law,

we just decided to move forward with this and adopt the 2006 version as the state is mandating all cities do. And if this new legislation passes, we'll come back with some amendments. But essentially what the law does is adopt this wild um wildland urban interface code and any properties within a designated area will need to comply with that code. Um they've left it up to cities to determine that wilder wildland urban interface area um with subdiscretion. Again, the legislation this year is is taking away some of that discretion, but the state came up with um sort of a risk fast factor and they have an entire website devoted to this where they show um how fires spread and where the embers go and you know where the drainages are. And so they've given properties um a risk factor from one to eight and um depending on where you are in that risk factor. Um the legislation this year is saying hey if you're five and above that's all cities can do. We we can't go lower than that. So

you can you can add if you want add properties like if it's a three or a four you can add that property but you can't go the other way and remove five and six and only do seven and eight as part of your code we are required to do five and eight right and so what the chief was helping us and had also done for bountiful is to help us understand that there are some areas and this is why the state said look we're going to do this massive state map but cities you need to do the detail work and decide are there some parcels This is parcel by parcel. Are there some parcels that really do have, you know, more dangerous conditions that you would like to add? Um,

so if it's not marked in green, it is not a level five. It's lower.

It's not exactly four and less. And so what we've done here is we're just proposing that Centerville adopt so that we can comply with state law. We adopt this uh wildland urban interface map which is all of our parcels listed on the state risk factor factor website as five and above. Um you can even see some properties that are right right in the hillside are not included in this. So, and we would like to work to possibly amend this, but right now I think this is probably as far as we should go until we see what the legislation does because the legislation is potentially going to limit us to this. Um, so it will, this is the easiest part of this process is adopting this two-page ordinance and we will then have to implement it and train someone to understand this code um to create, you know, we're going to have to change our process for building permits and make sure if you're in this area um you have some options to either comply um or you know with different building materials and other things. So anyway, we will have some implementation afterwards and um I think Mike Egggot will his department will probably be in charge of working with our building officials to to implement that and getting our applications um up to date and some checklist. But other cities around us have already done this and so we do have some good examples um with Lake and Bountiful um that we can look to um for some of those checklists and things. So, I guess with that, yeah, we're we're just recommending that we adopt this. Um, and then just as a cleanup to be

transparent, we're also proposing an amendment to the version, the international code version of our electrical code. We still have the 2020 edition in our code and it should be the 2023 edition. Again, the some legislation is looking at updating all of those um construction codes, but um we would like to adopt this because there is some risk um of losing some funding in the case of a wildfire. Um and if the city doesn't cooperate, that's our risk is that those costs would be incurred by the city rather than having assistance from the state. So, to me, it's I I think both Brandt and I that's a risk we don't want to take. um we're entering spring. We just assume get this on the books, the basics, start implementing it, and then talk about if we want to add properties or and see where the legislation is as well to see if we even have the option.

So, going back just a a little bit, the the reason why there's a little bit of a delay here, particularly with the five cities, is that South Davis um fire Chief Stewart was saying, "We'll take this on. This is our responsibility." But going through this, they realized and were told basically no, it's the city's responsibility. So Chief Stewart and his team had done a great deal of research and was actually advising all of the five cities on how to do this. And then so this was supposed to be implemented as of January 1st. So the risk right now is if we had a fire on the hillside and required state assistance, we are 100% required to pay for that fire. there is no assistance from the from the state. So the adoption of this code is critical. Um it places this this burden on the property owners. They go through this this new code that we'll have to educate all these homes on that you now have this extra layer of of permitting or or requirements for you living on the hillside. Um but ultimately if we don't adopt this code and there's a fire on the hillside after tonight between now and when we do pass it we will bear 100% of that cost. So that's why we're saying we'd like to adopt this tonight. Um just to make sure because ultimately we're getting some great rain which is awesome not likelihood of fire but that's a lot of fuel we're putting on the hillside as well between now and our next meeting in April. So, I think it's good to to get something passed now and then we can make some potential changes in April with changes in the legislation at the state level. I don't I don't want to add to any homeowners that we don't have to and I'm fine to discuss this another day, but I think it should be noted that there is a rather significant area that um in my time since I've been on council, the Worsley Lane and North area, 540 North,

that is the neighborhood that was evacuated during that last fire. So I I'm not trying to make their lives more difficult, but I do think that that is I mean that neighborhood's the one that got evacuated. So to to that point, I mean neighboring city um Mayor Bradshaw actually walked her the entire community in Bountiful and added properties to it based on her own experience and pictures she took. Okay. And and so again, we're not advocating to create the the area larger than it has to be right now.

That's fine. Just because again this is once we get through the permitting process we can come back and say council do we want to narrow it down to other properties that potentially are a four based on their location but right now let's adopt the five to the eight uh get the uh implementation in place and then potentially make tweaks after that if necessary.

I do have um some requested changes in looking at the new legislation. they do a better job describing the state map. Um, so I would like to recommend amendments to the proposal that rather than just calling it the structure exposure score called the smooth smooth structure expo exposure score map. So there were two maps. one was just the the partials and it was sort of jagged and then they took a smooth map and so anyway they're recommending use the smooth back map. So I would like to reference that um and also um referring to it as a risk category on that map of five or higher. So that's the language that they use in the new legislation. So I think I just want to stay consistent with that. So there's two areas in section 10.03 903.126 if you could just in your motion um include those changes as discussed and then this does not require a public hearing but I think in terms of the um discussion from the council and the transparency importance uh this will impact homeowners um so we have noticed it as a public hearing to give um homeowners home homeowners um and property owners an opportunity to comment on Does it affect their fire insurance, their homeowners insurance?

Um, I'm not if they're in this zone, we'll add it will add additional costs. We It's going to Yeah. If that's said looked at a high-risisk area, that could be a problem for their fire insurance for sure.

Yeah. And that's where I think the mayor stated that people need to engage with their legislators because this is coming down from the state and we really don't have a choice because it would be unacceptable to have a situation where uh we didn't have this in place and we ended up having an emergency where the state had to step in and help and we were on the hook for all of that. that would be unacceptable. But it by implementing it tonight, we I feel like we are coming in we're going to have a situation where we just don't know all of the uh outcomes that will come from this other than the state will step in and help pay for an emergency that they come in and help support. We don't know if co how costs are going to rise. So, we do need to probably be a little bit more transparent and uh as we can see there's not anybody, no offense, you all here were for the general plan, but if you are here for this next part, forgive me, but there aren't a lot of people for this public hearing. So, are they going to be aware of what's going to happen tonight? And how can we help them become more aware if and when this does pass?

Yeah. And I I think as staff we'll have to discuss how we we roll this out because there will be an education process and there will be some impact. But I think um from the legislative standpoint, I think we've seen throughout the West and and the country that wildfires are a significant risk and concern and something that we really need to handle uh systemically. And I think this is the first step towards that to try to help educate that you know there are some building materials that we can do. There are some clear you know safe zones that we can build. We can put different vents that that close and the embers will not be sucked in during the during a fire.

Trees can't be the blimps can't be on the roof, right? If you have a tree near your home, it can't be on the roof. and those types of things that are actually just smart if you live in this interface so that it doesn't come all the way down and engulf the entire city. So say taking five homes, it you know takes one home maybe and nice cemetery on the foothill help but it will also cost more to build maybe. So those homes that fall in that area, I guess the process we've been through is we have to include them, right? I mean they've fallen in that area. Yes. an area

unless you want to take the risk. A dare defined by the state legislature. Yes. They're the ones who determine the risk. Yeah.

Where's Casey Snider's He? I don't like Okay, I got you. Uh further questions. Oh, I guess I should clarify that the state is allowing cities to prepare their own map, but there's a debate. I mean, we need within reason. And so, this is our recommendation.

The the 5 to8 is just adopting what the state more than likely is going to be passed to the state legislature this year. We could say seven to eight till that passes or even just we we you have some flexibility right now, but ultimately uh based on on Chief Stewart's recommendation was more than likely this bill will pass because he actually testified on the hill about this bill and the impact it will have. Yeah, I maybe you could see where I was getting at. Can can can you pass it? Uh just going right to the homes and not include the homes, you know?

Uh I mean, you're talking about vacant land and determining which parcels meet it and which don't. I mean, it does they still if you have a vacant parcel and they want to build, they would then have to adhere to that. Most of these homes are already built. If you're coming in for a permit, um then yes, you might have to comply. But if you're just talking about vacant land, then you're actually making it harder on them than the existing homes. Yeah. I'm talking more about the existing homes and the potential of their uh costs for insurance going up. Wow. With this new law coming into effect, the insurance companies might they're going to be name they're going to require it because they're going to say we're not going to.

Great points. Great discussions. I mean obviously people already on the hill and bountiful have had homes for years. there. Yeah. The rates have gone up and there's less insurers and Yeah. So, yep. And just a reminder, is it just remind what it's a public hearing? You can.

Oh, yeah. I just was seeing everybody done with questions. So, I'll do a public hearing. Uh this there's public hearing on municipal code amendments, adoption of the wildland urban interface code and and our own particular wildland urban interface map. Anybody want to comment, please come to the the podium and say who you are and where you're from. Seeing no comments, I will close the public hearing. I don't know if there's more discussion or not because we didn't have any comments. So, and sounds like discussion had ended. So, further clarification before I look for a motion on this. If the state was to pass a bill that uh raised the threshold from 5 to 7, would that be something that we could amend in the future?

For sure. Anybody want to give a shout out? I move that we adopt ordinance number 2026-03 amending the Centerville Municipal Code to adopt the 2006 Utah Wildland Urban Interface Code and the Centerville Wildland Urban Interface Map as required by state law with the two changes to section 10.03.126 uh referenced by staff.

Second motion second. Further discussion. Can we add an amendment now that would uh raise that threshold if and when this bill passes? And it did uh raise that number from five to seven. Is that something I could It would be kind of a a retroactive uh amendment if if they passed it up at the the capital, then it would go into effect.

I think on that that you would probably want to have the 20page PowerPoint and maybe a little bit more information to understand what is that risk. you know what are what are the homes in now you're taking it up to seven like I actually don't know where the seven starts so anyway I it's it's a policy decision for the city council but I think a more educated decision if and when the legislature changes it fair okay all right let's vote then start with council I don't I don't think I know there was a second I seconded it second thank you council banger going to the right I I I I I

All right, let's go to Arbor Day proclamation. Uh Bruce isn't here, but it looks like it's just a proclamation stating that uh declaring March 28th is Arbor Day. Anything else I need need to know about it? Anybody? More excitement. Mayor Arbor Day. I'm just kidding. Yeah, mayor. I don't proclaim it. Mayor, I am excited because uh that's Is that what makes this a tree city? Is that official Arbor Day? No, I was going to say Bruce isn't here, but but the official Arbor Day isn't until I want to say April 26th or it's it's sometime in April this year.

Yeah. But um as part of our application to apply for Tree City USA, we do have to pass this proclamation. And so and the tree board is planning on doing a tree celebration on the 28th. So he just had us declare the 28th as uh Arbor Day for Centerville. So Heather was the one that pushed this forward. It came to me from Bruce. I haven't talked to Heather about it, but I'm sure it came from the tree board through B Bruce and came back to me. So, but I haven't spoken to Heather about it. Heather's usually always I mean not Heather the tree board is obviously

in the past has always been very supportive of our everyday pro. Absolutely agree with that. I just the last meeting I was at, which was just the most recent, we did not discuss it to be on that day. And that's why I'm I'm and I had hoped that she would have let me know that that was something that they had discussed just so I would be aware. And uh I think that um if Arbor Day is indeed on April 26th I really 25th 24th 24th excuse me. Uh

I would really like to I mean I don't want to counter Bruce and if he's discussed it with Heather then I suppose that is something that they've done. It just sounded to me like the city celebration is planned for that day and they have some things planned to do that day and so they just decided to declare coordinated trees and all that stuff. The event itself. Oh, is this uh for the um so there's another a third party that's coming in and doing some things?

Not necessarily. It's what we coordinate once a year. So parks department coordinates and usually works with the tree board um on a date that works for volunteerism and things like that. Right. And it it just didn't come up and I hadn't seen Bruce at the meeting. So I I'm just trying to get it all clear because we had discussed it being you know but again I may be out of the loop on this one. Bruce said, "The Tree City USA requirement is that you declare it and have some kind of recognition celebration and each city chooses what works for them." He said, "I suggested April 24th to the Tree Utah folks, but they're too busy in April with other celebrations, so they asked if we could do it." I have come out for you, too.

Okay, very good. I'm glad that. Thank you for reading that. Yeah. All right. We got a motion. I'm going to say this with enthusiasm. Ready? I move that we approve proclamation 20261 declaring March 28th 2026 as our go enthusiasm you know like I'm just it's it's it's the caffeine man second second so we got a motion to second all in favor I I posted

I I'm excited I'm just trying to get go get through it you know so all right uh some reaction This is a bid award uh on Porter Lane Culinary Water Line. Uh as you can see, there's about eight bids in front of you there. Um and uh it looks like the motion's to accept P&L Construction. If any questions anybody can answer any questions though, it is some reaction. Do we need Mike? I was I was happy to see seven biders. I was very happy to see seven biders and I was going to comment the same thing obviously. Very good job.

Mike, you want to say anything? I'm good. If you don't no questions, you're good. You want me to make a motion? Okay. Yeah. Make a motion. I'll make a motion that we approve the bid award for Porter Lane Estate subdivision culinary waterline to P&L Construction in the amount of $78,996.50. I'll second that. Oh, go ahead. Give it Robin. Motion uh by Councilwoman Hurst, second by Counciloman Mikum. Uh Councilwoman Haymon to my right. I sorry. I apologize. I

I beautiful. Okay, we got minutes review and approval. The February 17th city council and the February 17th close session. Uh do we see uh any changes that need to be made on those minutes? Hearing none. We have a motion to approve. I'll make a motion that we approve the minutes. I'll second that. Motion to second. All in favor? I I

posed. Awesome. It passes. Uh you have in front of you on the next item the monthly financial report. This is it's not a quarter end. So, it is just presented for your information, but as always, our trusted uh finance director has highlighted a few areas. If you have any questions about those areas and any others, he looks like he's out there still, but if not, like I said, it's not a quarter end. So, uh uh that's just there for your information. Any questions for Nate? Thank you, Nate. Uh, Councilwoman Mikum, who will report on committee assignments, including the Whitaker Museum Board. So, first of all, I'm on the Utopia, but I don't really have It's just kind of doing its thing. We're staying pretty even with our takers. a little concerned because as you know Quantum came through and put the fiber in and did a big push and then AT&T bought them. So that would probably be our biggest competitors, but as of right now we're staying pretty even with where we're at. Um the museum is doing some really cool things. I'm so excited for the museum board and those guys work so hard and I wanted to bring you all a little blue card. I will bring it next time because I got so excited over the general town I forgot my blue cards. But they do have I want you to know that um March is they're celebrating the women's history month and they've got some really cool stories um of women from Centerville and they've got the stories on the walls over there. The museum is open Tuesdays and

Thursdays from on Tuesdays from 10:00 a.m. to 6:00 and on Thursdays from 5 to 8. And then on the 14th they're having a women's history free event and it's got a lot of act a lot of fun activities. So it's pretty cool. But they've got a lot of really fun activities throughout the rest of the year. And they've got a really nice little postcard with them all on. And I have one for you, but I didn't bring it. But I did bring all my binders. That's all I've got.

Wonderful. Thanks. Any questions for Councilman Mikum on that? Anybody else highlights that we need to know about in their committees before your reporting time? Can I just ask one thing, Mayor? I I I got a message here. FBI's urgent warning about America's enemies have found a way to strike without firing a single shot. Hackers are attacking city water systems, overriding safety pro protocols to weaponize our utilities against us and positioning themselves to strike when the signal comes. I just Mike I I assume we're

fishing Mike or uh he did did a did a thumbs up on us so he's wear something on it I'm guessing.

Well just real quick. So we run independent servers so being safe is a big priority on our water system. We've had Homeland Security come in a couple times. They've looked us over. They've gave us recommendations. Right now, I'm trying to figure out how to apply for a couple upgrades on two servers. So, our we're not tied to the web too much. We tried to have everything discontinued. So, part of our system, it independently ran. So, we feel pretty good about where we're at as Homeland Security. And what about somebody dumping something in a reservoir?

Oh, they're the hatches are all locked. They got shoe tops on them that they're real hard. It'd be tough for them to do it. So, yeah. I'm sure in good control I think.

Well, we have like at our warehouses, we have switches with the door opens and alarms. We can upgrade however we want. If we want to have a high security, we can have it call out our operators whenever one goes off or whatever. But it kind of we just go off the security level of what the state has at the time. So which right now is not that high for some reason. So any question you got to go before Never mind. Thank you, Mike. Okay. Uh mayor's report. Um America 250. Uh we're doing things in our community. Uh Haley's not here, but um and unfortunately I met with Councilwoman Hurst and the member from our uh parks board, Brooke Johnson about because because she's aware of in touch of 250 activities are going on throughout the state. But uh we our our committee chairs on that comm uh committee are the uh heads of the various boards and committees that we have and each one of them are coming up with various activities. Uh so we'll report further uh what a and I still had to meet. She couldn't be at that meeting. She had her grandfather's funeral. But uh her and I need to follow up and we'll get back with you more on 250. But but they have been coming up with the activities. I think you can report when you went to uh parks and wreck uh board that uh they had some that they come up with, right?

Yeah. Their movies in the park night will have a themed on the third. It will be kind of themed that way. And it sounded like each committee is coming up with something. Yes. So, correct. Uh-huh. Um uh I went to a ribbon cutting the Coldwell Banker office uh last week. That was nice. Very nice. uh didn't realize that uh Councilwoman Hers had some connections there. So, um uh that that was fun to see her there and her husband, but uh that they were down there in the new uh in the in the what is it? The MTC building. Yeah. Yeah.

So, that was nice. Uh that that was something that the the Lakesiders did from the the Chamber of Commerce. uh ri cutting. Um we appointed uh a week ago Monday as interim chief Jeff Larson. Uh and we will be meeting together again shortly as fire board to this to see where we go in the future with that. But uh he's he's been been a good uh soothing influence to Ashley. Uh that's Greg's widow and their family and helping the department the the department through right now. Um Bryce, will you help me? Will you come up and report? I had to miss last Thursday because I had another board meeting in my responsibilities. Did you go end up going to the 4th of July one or did you not go?

Uh so that the inklier's on top of it. They got some things going. Is there anything that uh you you you want to tell council? Is he trying to land the or are we just on top of it? Yeah, they're on track. I don't have anything to report. I I'm kind of lost for words. Um that's a first.

I set you up for that one. Um, we Haley or not Haley, I went to an event a couple Saturdays ago where we did like a battle of the bands and we got to see a bunch of different bands and so we picked I think three people. We're going to have like boom boom boom headliners uh three back to back to back and we're going to be well under budget for that. Um something that is a challenge this year with everything being on the 4th of July is everything's coming at a premium cost. Uh most of our the stage went up to almost $3,500 just on the stage. Um and some of our other expenses are going up as well. So that will be a something we'll address in the budget in a few weeks of the rising costs of doing this on the 4th of July. Um trying to think what else

the cost to buy our own stage. At what point does that break even? 10 15 years probably. I mean, you're probably talking a couple hundred thousand dollar easy. Okay. I mean, it's Yeah, I don't know. Something we can explore, but it's it's pretty pricey and we're only using it one time a year, but I mean, it it is Do they ever Do people ever sell them? Like, could you buy a used one? Yeah, but then we've got to find someone to run the sound. It's the nice thing about the guy we have is Oh, you get the sound with it. Sound and lighting and the stage. So, I mean, there are Okay.

pros and cons. There are going to be a couple. So like next year I believe we're not going to be on the fourth again. I can't remember it. It's going to rotate again off on a Saturday because it's on a Sunday. So we'll have some savings potentially there. Um all of the chairs kind of have co-chairs because this is the year that a lot of the chairs will rotate off including the inkleys. Um, and so they've put together some ideas and I think mayor, they've given you some names, so potentially some people that could take over. I told the Inkleys they were on for five years. Hopefully that was okay. Um, but no.

Um, I'm trying to think what else. The What day is it on this year? I can't even remember. I just know it's on the 4th of July. Friday. Friday. Saturday this year. Saturday. So the children's parade is going to be on Friday night. That's going to be something that's different. Um, and we'll be working with police to get that taken care of. So, that's all going to coincide okay with the movie in the park on the third. In fact, the way they've designed it is that it's going to actually end at the park. Um, and so draw people to the park for that event. So,

um, so yeah, that Friday night activity is kind of the hometown for the locals, uh, type of event. They're going to have a movie in the park and some activities. So, is it going to be at this park or it's going to be over? It's at your park. It's at Smith Park and I think they're having some music. I can't remember, but I think they we'll have a concert. I'll look at my notes. So, we'll have a concert and a movie and then some some vendor stuff, some food, um, and tons of activities. The parks and rec committee kind of does that. That's kind of their baby. Um, and then they'll have a pickle ball activity on the on the Monday before. And then I can't Gina, do you remember what day? The the children's market's on the Monday, too, I think.

Oh, I don't know if I caught that in my notes. I'll give you a better update. I'm sorry. I didn't have it all. And the website's down, so um I couldn't couldn't look it up for you anyways, so I apologize for that. I thought that I missed it. Sorry. So, any other questions? Well, at least got a comment, man. They like you like the new website even though it's down right. So I just thank you Bryce. I just wanted to give you guys an update that we are moving ahead on it and I I had to miss that meeting because like I said I had another board meeting in my responsibility. Uh that's it for me unless anybody has any questions.

I have a question. Were we supposed to do anything with the general plan that put it table or just did we do any vote on anything for the general plan? Were we not going to to table it or to We're moving ahead with further Okay. So, we further work sessions. Okay. Very good. Yeah, there wasn't any any vote on anything. Is the public hearing closed in the general plan? Uh well, that one was I would I would think that uh as we get to uh I'm sure we'll open. I just wanted to know if that one was closed. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. just felt like it kind of ended but didn't really end.

Well, it's just a matter of scheduling it in uh what you guys can do schedule-wise. I mean, uh you know, this kind of maybe goes into Brandt's city manager report, but we got two weeks from tonight a caucus that uh city council was uh you know, council for to allow you go to your caucus meetings. Then we got budget meetings on uh the night after that on the 18th and the 19th. And so then it leads as far as official city council meetings, it leads to the 7th of April, you know. So So we'll just uh we'll come out with the plan and and uh based on dates that we can do it and and uh run that by you. So Brad,

uh, thanks, Mr. Mayor. Just a couple of things. Um, one is, I guess, philosophical to some extent. I've been thinking about a class I took at USC in statistics in my international relations classes. And, and the thing that's come to mind, I've shared this with staff already, is big versus little N problems. And, and really, this is what's kind of fascinating about this discussion is what we focused on in the class was data versus anecdotal. as you're going through these decisions that you have to make as council. Big N is is large population, large survey groups. Little N is small population, small survey groups, which is the anecdotal side. So sometimes when we making these decisions, the anecdotal is critical to know, but it be careful to make sure that that's this defines the entire population. And then one of the examples I could think of as a small hospital the birth the birth is gender 65% males and it's a small hospital 65% of the births are males saying well all bursts then there across the board are all 65% males but no but if you take a larger sample size a bigger hospital then you're more closer to 50/50 right so as we look at these anecdotals are critical to help you make decisions but the but we can't lose sight of the dig and there's there's a 1971 article that was part of our studies that defines all of these. So big N versus little N. Sometimes I feel like we get caught up in the little N a little bit uh and we forget about the big N and and I've always thought Centerville has been great and that's what I love about it here is we've always been data driven and I think that's always been helpful to help tell the story when we look at the data. So again I just want as we go through this don't forget about the data because it's critical and I think it's very helpful in in driving our decisions. Um, so I want to share that. And lastly, I just want to take my moment to share my thoughts on Chief Stewart. Um, he will be dearly missed

and we had a great conversation two days before he passed that I will forever remember. And I'll I'll share with you a little bit. I won't share all of it, but a part of that I I shared with them says, you know, could you imagine 30 years ago we'd be where we are today and these decisions that we make and the challenges we face? and and we both kind of discussed the challenges we're faced with today. And but at the same time, we we also appreciated the purpose-driven life that we have chosen that that guides us. As much as it might get bumpy here and there, we we we are driven by purpose and and I think we both just kind of said yes. And and I appreciated the conversation and um with him just to kind of remind me and reminisce together. But anyway, I will dearly miss him and the example he set for me that I could be a little bit better. And uh one thing I learned today is we need to suck less. That's what I learned from the funeral and that's something he regularly says we just need to suck less. Um, but yeah, I think there's always opportunity for improvement and and Chief Stewart, I appreciate the reminder to continue to be steadfast and and serving people and doing the right thing even if it's hard. So, I appreciate him and I will miss him, but I'm also appreciated that I got to know him really well. So, um, that's all I have here, unless there's questions for me.

Any questions? I don't think we have a close session item tonight, right? Not unless you want to. So, uh, anything else? Look for a motion to journ. If not, some moved. All right, we're doing