Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

Thanks, Randall. Looks like the first item of business is approval of minutes. Would anybody like to make a motion? I'll make a motion to approve the minutes from October 7th. Turn your microphone, please. I'll second that motion. I had it on. Okay, we have a motion and a second to approve the minutes. All in favor? I

Beautiful. Can two, three, and four all be the same. So, we have a public hearing. Um item two, general plat amendments. Um item three, zone changes. And item four, development agreement. And I guess Mike, it's time for some platitudes, right?

We're getting to the finish line with this project. So yeah, this is our general plan zone change map that's going to be uh recorded with the development agreement. The shade the different colors were the original zone and general uh plan areas. Now the the lines that run basically north south those are our new general plan and zoning areas. So, what we decided to do is is we have this is the Iron Crest subdivision, which is an R1. This is which Randall's going to love to hear this because we're going to resurrect the Empire project. Why?

We don't know how vesting is, but that's a different story. But that's R2. Probably passed, but we'll lucky. Uh, but we're going to feather it out from R1 to R21 to RNZ to R22 and then you hit your uh R3 and commercial towards you get to Lond. So to me it makes more sense and it should have been done this way to begin with but I wasn't involved but here I am. This is the one by the way that was discussed a couple weeks ago but we had only published part of it not all of it. That's my way of hinting you don't have to readress everything all over again. Oh good.

I only had one question Mike. Um we added a couple things to that DA. One was a 300t driveway spacing on 800 fencing at least on the residential areas. There might have been one more. Was the developer there aware? I just want to make sure they were aware of that. Uh fencing along we brought it up last well two weeks ago, but fencing along 800 for the residential portions. And then that wasn't in the original one. That's correct. That's why I'm bringing them up. Yes. This same version is the one that's with for the council's packet for tomorrow. Yep. stole the same one. So,

cuz I briefly looked at a uh pre-plat for the commercial area and some of those lots were kind of small. So, that's why I'm bringing it up. I just want to make sure you guys know it's there and if if you disagree certainly. Oh, you're talking entrance from 800 north on those commercial one. Yeah. Be 300 ft apart. Yep. The driveway spacing and then the residential property. So, was that number six? No driveway access from residential property 800 north and the six foot block wall. The interconnected streets that was in the previous DA. And then the park space that was in the original DA.

Are we going to consider a driveway an access road? To me, a road goes through. A driveway you don't go through. So a driveway is different than a road in my opinion. Well, right. Well, I think the indication is there will be no driveways on it. No residential driveways. No residential driveways. No residential driveways. And then your access. That makes sense. Yeah, that makes complete sense. I agree with that. And then and then the fence does I'm not want to spend anyone's money. Actually makes sense to me because you're separating the industrial. You got all that new industrial.

Yeah. I I don't you'll just have to be aware of that. But if as on that I guess we can talk about the commercial stuff and then Yeah. and no driveway access. So So where's the fence address, Don? I'm not finding that's that's number six there. Can't Oh, there it is. The second half of the Thank you. Yeah, we And that that makes sense. Goes with the ordinance because 800 North Master Plan Road. We don't want people backing out. That's already Yeah. And you are right. It does read road Mike. Developer gives access roads to the property. I'm not sure if we'd have any concerns with a commercial property on the east side of this development. not what you're changing with the east side coming on 800 because that's not any different than the industrial ones coming out.

It's certainly not different, right? We just want to make sure we have some good spacing on those start. Okay. So, are we okay with driveways in the commercial then and not I'm okay with that and not roads and I want to get when we do when we do kind of lay out a subdivision. We have one actually may come through here in a month or so. I do want to kind of sit down with Ken and say this is what I'm thinking. Are you okay with it before we start really plowing through where we want these entrances? Because in in my opinion, if we have one that lines up on Phil's side of 800 North, let's line the next one up across the street so everything's Yeah. No, I agree with that, too.

Yeah. We're going to want to look at spacing and how we're matching up with Phil's. Exactly. And then when we get up close to Lond, we want to make sure we're held back a little ways from that intersection there. Um, so, so Ken, if you're okay with the way it reads, I just want to make sure.

Okay. So for the planning commission, if any of that was lost on you, too often we discuss things we've already discussed privately and so we shorthand things. Part of our goal here is because 800 North is a master plan, a very wide master plan road. Residential properties would not be allowed to back out on it. Hence the justification for here just not having any driveway access at all. Uh we also want to make sure we don't have access roads between Amber subdivision below it which is all industrial and the residential above. We don't want offset roads because that just creates a danger level and we don't want them like staggering 20 feet apart from each other because again we're just trying to consider safety concerns. Okay.

Very good. It sounds like you've had extensive conversations with the city and everything's good there. Am I right? Yeah, we've Is that correct? I just wanted to make sure, Mike, that I think I you know, they knew it was there. That's that's the change. I'll tell them. I mean, you you have to put a fence up. That's just is what it is. It separates the two zones and you can't back out on that that road anyways. You can't do it on any master plan road. That's can't back out. Sure. So, nothing that you're not doing anyways.

Yeah. And just for the commission's benefit, what we were attempting to do here was to not be not try to tie down where exactly every access would be or where exactly every road would be, but to lay out the principles of the connectivity, access spacing. And then, you know, that gives us, you know, something good to to rely on as we end up in conversations later to as we're trying to work out what the final product is going to look like. Right.

And then I guess food for thought and this is just I didn't think about this on the commercial side of things. Maybe we give two of those lots a shared access so that limits a 50 foot wide. So 25 on each side of the lot line and that's what they got to use. That's be smart. Yeah. I try to be accommodating. We'll stop talking. No. Excellent. Anything else from the city that comes up? Commission. Any questions? This is a public hearing. So, we'll open the public hearing for items two, three, and four.

That's right, Mike. Good. Good move. Doors locked. There was an accident on the corner of Maine. It stopped everybody. So, all right. If not, we'll close the public hearing and um be happy to consider a motion. It looks complex, but go for it.

I know, and I'm the worst one to do this, but I'll make a motion to um for a positive recommendation for the general P plan amendments. um low density to medium density, low density to high density, medium density to low, medium density to high density, medium density to high density, and high density to medium density. And that is um the um general plan amendments and on item two and then the zone changes for item three. And can I do the um development agreement amendment for item four? Yes.

As well. Okay. So, I'll make a positive recommendation for for that as well. Okay. We have a motion in a second. All in favor? I. Any opposed? Motion carries. That was easy, Mike. Well done. Thanks for showing up. Sometime we'll try to have another easy one for you, but don't count on it on all of house. They're like, "Oh, good night." And then just to warn everybody with you you've can see the two empty seats. Um that may impact your next two and remaining two items. Oh, on the agenda. Um yeah,

as far as I know, they're the only ones that turned in their homework sheets. And the item six is Tom's. Okay. So, it's entirely up to you. It's your group. Um, it may be wise to table it just to allow them to be part of the conversation, but again, it's your call. It's your meeting. Boom. Tabled. You may want to make a There we go. Make a motion. I got you. I got a 30page PowerPoint. I I think the boom was the motion right there. Okay. Boom. All right. All in favor of tableabling items five and six until next next time. You You have a meeting next week. Can we give that? Yeah, you have a meeting next week because we had to move it up from elections. Oh, thanks for meeting us.

So, if you didn't already remember that from January, whenever it was that was decided, we don't remember that. Yes, we have three meetings this month and only one in November. So, yay. We have fourth one is when's the next one? To the 28th is your next meeting. So, you could table this till then or longer if it's your calendar. What's on the do you have a agenda? Does it look full or empty next? Or do you know I mean it's only three items on it right now. There's only three items on it right now. Uh for next week you're so much better at this. If you want me to add them, I can.

I would suggest at least doing Tom's for next week. He's just sick, so hopefully it'd be better by next week. I leave it to you on the other one. All right, let's do that. I he a long time under advice from our legal department. It's great when I'm the whole department in the whole thing. We'll move Tom's to next week. I suppose both of them to next week and if we need to discuss them, we can. And if it if we need to push again, we can too. Anybody have anything else? All right, you're done in time to go home and motoriize your camp trailers. So, we'll see you.