City Council - Regular Meeting

All right, ladies and gentlemen, it is 5.30, actually 5.31. We're gonna start this City Council work meeting for July 15th, Wednesday. This is a work meeting, and because it is a work meeting, if there is an item on the agenda that you wish to respond to as a public after the presentation, the two council members have a chance to discuss it. We'll welcome you out to the podium if you have a public comment. We're gonna start tonight's meeting with a prayer by Ann Clark, followed by the Pledge of Allegiance by Scotty Harville.

Our dear Father in heaven, we are so grateful this day for such a beautiful day, for the rain. We are grateful that we live in such a wonderful city. We ask you that we will have thy spirit with us this night as things are discussed for the good of our city, that we will be directed in ways that will bless the lives of the people that live here. We are again grateful for all of our blessings that thou hast given us and especially for our city and ask blessings on all of the city workers and city employees and those that represent the city in any way. And we say these things in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen. Amen.

Thanks, Anne.

Would you please stand and their proper honors? Ready? Begin.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and

Thank you, Ann, and thank you, Scotty, for that. I will need a motion from someone.

Mayor Pro Tem, I would move that we approve our agenda order as outlined. Second.

I have a motion and a second. All in favor?

Aye.

All right. We will move on. I just want you all to know I am acting tonight as Mayor Pro Tem in the absence of Mayor Nelson, who's away on a family trip. And also we're accusing Robert Cox and Waldo Galan, who also have other business affairs tonight. So it's a work meeting. We're small, but we're mighty. We'll get through this pretty easily, I hope. Like less is more? Isn't that a saying? That's something like that. That's something like that. So we're good. Counsel, any business that you need?

Could I take a personal privilege?

Absolutely.

Well, the last couple weeks, I've had a great opportunity working with Eric on the park over behind the Elks Club. working with the city water department last night. Maybe some of you might have been a little discomforted. We turned your water off about 10 o'clock, but we did have it back on at three. We upgraded the vault. and now have a 12-inch vault with a four-inch bypass, and everything went pretty well. Our crew was there and had the city people there. Councilman, where exactly is that located? That's right there on Lund Highway, right in front of Wheeler's equipment.

Got you.

Then we had the fire chief out burning weeds and wood in Coal Creek south of the bridge. We're getting Coal Creek cleaned up for a future flood, so I've just had a great week working with all the city employees. They've been great, and I'm just very grateful for the good help we have, so I just wanted to give them a shout out.

Thank you, that's great. I hope it's a future runoff and not a future flood. I hope so. Anything, Councilman Wilkie? Nope. All right, we will move on then to staff comments, and Chief Adams.

Good evening, Mayor Pro Tem, Council, and staff. Darren Adams with the Police Department. It's good to stand before you today to introduce two new officers, Jason Miller and Jacob Jackson. We'll let them introduce themselves and tell you a little bit about them before we do the swearing and the pinning. Great.

Hi, I'm Jason Miller. I'm the new co-enforcement officer with Officer Vasquez. I'm from Price, Utah, so three-hour drive. I got married June 19th. This year? Yeah, this year.

Well, congratulations.

Thank you. I came down here because my wife is currently going to college to be an elementary teacher, and I just love the area.

Great. Glad to have you.

Oh, yeah, this is my wife, Ashlyn.

Thank you.

Good evening. I'm Jacob Jackson, one of the newest officers here. I just transferred over from the University Police over there at SUU.

Well, it's about time some came this way. We lost several of them the other direction.

Well, unlucky for them, lucky for me, the city offered me a great opportunity here. Wonderful. I grew up in southern Utah, so it's kind of always had my heart. I met my wife here. We've been married four years. We have a little baby gorilla that's 18 months old. And I'm really happy to be here because I can't think of a better way to ensure the welfare of my family than to help ensure the welfare of the community they live in.

Thank you. That's great. Yes, you're welcome to take photographs. Anyone is welcome to take photographs. Stand right there. Amber's coming.

You trust Officer Hoyt to do that?

Hopefully, it wasn't a close second.

Just kidding, Jake. And you guys will come shake our hands, too.

Let's get a picture of at least the husband and wife here. Yeah, newlyweds got to eat. Look at her, Bubba. Get up there, wife.

Great. And then if you guys will come over here, start down here. Congratulations. Welcome. Thank you.

Welcome to the city.

Thank you.

We appreciate it.

Always enjoy when you can swear on new officers. It's a great evening. Thank you, Chief. Thank you, gentlemen, very much. All right, any other staff comments or staff business? If not, we're gonna move into the business agenda. Our first one on the public agenda is a resolution to approve a replacement board member for the trails at Schurz Canyon PID.

Sir, introduce yourself. Good evening, council. My name is Tyler King, here on behalf of Trails at Church Canyon PID. As you just read, there's currently a vacancy on the PID board of trustees. And per the governing document, the PID needs to approach the city council. to have a replacement appointed. So Mr. Wilson has resigned and the landowner has nominated for your consideration Mr. Tommy Mann to replace him on the board.

I read about Mr. Mann, very interesting background. I guess a question I have, I mean, is he a landowner out there, Mr. Mann?

He's an agent of the window. Oh, he's the agent. Okay, gotcha.

All right. Does the council have any questions regarding this replacement?

No.

All right. I'll entertain a motion. We have to, it's a resolution.

Yeah, so Mayor, with that, Mayor Pro Tem, I would move that we put that on action for next week.

I'll second that.

All right. Moved and seconded. Thank you very much, sir. Appreciate your time.

Yep, you too.

All right, moving on. We'll move to staff portion now. We have the Fiddler's Park Big T Recreation presentation. Paul and Ken. They're gonna tag team this, I guess. I want it to be a little soft shoe show, a little tap dance number.

Ken Nielsen with Leisure Services. Thanks everyone for having us. So as you know, we started the construction for Fiddler's Park. PRT is turning dirt and doing all their work. Paul Foster with Big T is the fun stuff. I call him the fun stuff because he's got all the playground amenities, the pavilion, all those good things. And so I wanted him to come to kind of just show some concepts for you, just an update as we move it forward. He'll give you the timeline for all those things, and you're welcome to ask him any questions. He's really good at what he does, so I'll just turn the time over to him.

Thanks, Ken. Pleasure to be here with you, Councilman. I feel right at home. Talk to Ken a lot. I come from a Parks and Recreation background, and so I've been in this seat before. Certainly never comfortable, but tonight we're talking about some really good things, so I'm excited to be a part of it. First thing, you're probably going to recognize this, but before we get started in the presentation, Paul Foster with Big T Recreation, we do parks all over Utah, Idaho, and Nevada. Large projects, small projects, and everything in between. Over the course of the last four to five years, I've worked with your staff here at every level. from your parks to your cemeteries to your aquatics to Ken. And just, I can't say enough about how phenomenal your organization is, the vision of what you're doing with your parks and everything that's happening here. We're proud to be a part of it. Anytime anyone wants to look at some of our best parks, I send them here. So great work. We're excited to be a part of this one as well. It's going to fit really well with what you're doing throughout your whole park system as a whole. So again, give Ken and Pat on the back as well. They do great work and we're excited to be part of it. To tell the story of this park, I'm going to show you a few things, a few concepts. We've been working with Terracon, who you guys selected as your landscape architect, for about three, maybe four-ish years on design concepts that would fit the vision and the goals of where this park started out with the Parks and Rec Board and concept. So we want to just start off by saying that we took everything, we deal with them a lot on a lot of projects, great firm, great people to work with, and we've had to tweak a few things, but we've stayed very true to the design intent. So I just want to make that clear as you see some things that might look different than what is in the original plan, but we've stayed true to that design intent and what we're trying to do here. As you take a look at a nice, robust park system, one of the things that is becoming a little more common is to have some nature play elements. Now, the equipment that you're putting in here at Fiddler's Park is a natural wood product. It's called Earthscapes. And it's fantastic. It's 20% cooler than a traditional steel post platform type playground. So it checks all the boxes as far as nature play goes. And then from an aesthetic perspective, It's going to look even better than what you see in the renderings and the pictures. It's just really sharp, really catches the eye. It's going to mesh really well with everything that you see in the background as you look at the part from top to bottom. So we're really excited about that portion of it.

What's the maintenance like on that product?

It's awesome. It wears naturally. You can always expect a little bit of weathering. Sure. The wood will gray, but they don't treat it with anything. But they have a process that they use to refine that wood that makes it so it doesn't splinter. You can climb on it. We have some that have been in the ground in Utah for eight years now. And they've weathered, but you can climb around on them and be on them without getting... Everyone worries about the splinters and the longevity of it. I know you've had a wood park before. Completely different. It's naturally bug resistant, naturally UV resistant, because it's made to be outside. What kind of wood is it? It's robinia, locust robinia wood. And black locust robinia. I said blue, but... So it's, again, a natural wood product. And the timbers are pretty impressive in their scope and size. So as you see a few of these.

Have you used this product before?

That's where I was going to talk about the story of the park.

Oh, sorry. No, you're good, Scott. So when you look at something like this, and this is the current rendering of everything that we're going to be doing. With Terracon, they had a massive slide coming off the backside of that tower. This is going to be one of the longest slides in the state of Utah. It's pretty awesome.

Wow.

But we talk about concept to creation, Scott. So that's kind of the place to your question. So yes, we have these in the ground. You look at that, and then it's actually been done. Similarly, there's a little bit of difference on the backside of that. But you go from concept here to creation here. And you can see that it's not just something that we talk about and show you some fancy pictures of, but they're a proven product. They're in the ground. All over the United States and Canada and they're even branching out into Europe now so With this particular one the tower is massive The square footage of the parks massive you've got the all the latest and greatest in rope play With a double decker cone spinner you add an inclusive element on the bottom right hand side of that with an inclusive It's a merry-go-round type thing, which is a great motion element as well, and you add some space to view. There's some depth with the hillside play, and you'll notice that we've got some things spread out through that hillside to make it a play structure as well, so it's functionally linked.

Is this all part of phase one of the park? What you're showing?

Is that right, Ken? The park stuff all part of phase one? So as we've looked at some of these spaces with Ken, This is just a recent thing on these hillsides. Terracon kind of left that up to like some interpretation, and so we're moving through some of the things that we can do with these half domes, modular play domes, rope climb assist, and some rope play up that. There's two spots where we're going to be doing these.

Is that pour and play underneath that? Yes.

Okay. Yeah.

I didn't want it to be gravel because it's going to all go downhill.

It'll shift in the port in place. We'll be really good with this base compaction of the port in place so that it adheres really well. But some fun things up and down those hillsides that'll create a really functional play environment with some mod pods and some play climbers there. In addition, looking at the shade portion of that project, We went through and made it a lot more functional in our opinion working with Ken and his staff. So there's a large, what we call a high bar shade that goes over the top of the play elements, shades the majority of the slide and some of the other features. We got a great square shade over the inclusive element in the cone spinner on your normal playground. And so from a shade perspective, I think there's over 1,500 square feet of shade that's going to help cover that park as well. I know there's a lot of natural shade planned as well, so it's going to look awesome and be awesome that way. These are just a few drawings. The other one that goes up by the kids' tables and the water feature that I'll show you here in a minute, that's a double cantilever structure that can be put in the middle and shade those two spaces as well. So from a shade perspective, very robust. It's going to look awesome. And the colors will be to match. We're not going to do the colors you see there. Those are just some renderings of the size of the structures. The other play feature just above the playground has a variety of different swings to swing on. And then that rock feature you see on the top left is a functional climber. And it's going to be awesome. It'll match kind of the rock and the terrain that you see just in the background of your natural mountains. What's it made out of? It's made out of what's called glass fiber reinforced concrete. And so I'll send you a video on that one, Scott.

They use it at Disneyland a lot. They do. They test this.

And it is a really cool product, very robust, very vandal resistant, we'll say.

How tall is that? feature right there supposed to be, do you know?

Yeah, it's eight feet at the peak. And so it's got some things and natural ways to climb up and around it. All the safety surfacing underneath it will be rated.

I'm just thinking my eight-year-old son, I'm like, okay, can he jump eight feet?

He'll probably jump off the top of it. That's true. This has the wood fiber on this part, Scott.

You what? This has the wood fiber on this part. Oh, the wood fiber? Now, if you were I jumped off at eight feet... We probably wouldn't be feeling very good afterwards. We've passed that point.

But it's fun, it's a functional piece of equipment that you don't have anywhere else in your park system. And so we're pretty excited about how that's turned out working with Ken and his staff on some concepts there that'll match really well with the park aesthetic as a whole. And then you go to these little kid tables and the water feature you see on the left, I'll show you a better rendering of that. That was just kind of a placeholder until we really refined what we wanted to do there. And this is just a shaded seating area where kids can come. There'll be a little water feature there. And again, just a nature play where it's unscripted, where they can kind of be there in a cozy space and relax. The feature that we, I found really fascinating as we started doing this is this really cool water table. We've done sand and water tables in the past, but this is quite a bit more comprehensive. It's just a water in, kind of goes down, kids can play in it. It's only about three foot high on the one end and it goes down to about 18 inches at the very bottom and just empties into a drain. all self-contained and so that it's perfect in a park environment. Again, it's going to look exactly like that other rock, so it'll match mesh well with everything around it.

That has the pour and play all around it?

This one does. No, this one calls for a decomposed granite, I believe, on this play area. Decomposed granite? It doesn't need a use zone because it's not a play structure. But yeah. So like rock? Remember the plans. Yeah. It'll just have like a compacted.

So kind of like crusher fines. Yeah. Yeah.

They're the same thing as like the crusher fines. They compact really well. It'll be, it'll be good in that environment. And again, shade over both this and the seating area. Good questions. The plan's called out a hammock area, and this is the best rendering I have right now of what we're going to do in that space. Working with Ken, we're going to be putting up some large steel powder-coated hammock poles so people can bring their own and put them in this space. Bring your own hammock? We started with some that were already there. I think otherwise we'd go through so many hammocks if we put our own up. Exactly.

People would just ruin them and steal them.

Yeah. Ken and Anthony know how to manage and maintain a park.

We believe this is a really good way to- Is there any way that those, this is just a question. Any way those poles could be a little more natural looking?

Absolutely, and they won't be that blue color as well.

Okay, so they tie in more with the natural quality of the park.

They'll be like a beige sandstone-ish color that'll match the colors of the park, the shelters, everything else in that park environment. So they're not going to stand out being in a blue or a lime green or something.

Can they also have hooks added to them at a lower level for slack lines? Well, they have slack line attachments as well.

Yeah, we work with the fabricator to put those in exactly how you guys want them.

I don't know how high slack lines are supposed to be, but...

Depends on how brave you are. I don't even know what a slack line is.

It's essentially, it's like a one inch wide, one inch wide roughly. It looks like a bungee strap, like a ratchet strap. And you attach it between two points and you tight walk across it. And it has a little bit of, you'll see them do it at the college. They'll pin it up between two trees. It's like tight walking, tight roping.

Very popular. Very popular.

Again, not for me.

It's a really good value option that we caught with Ken and his staff, and we really like how that portion of it's going. In addition to that, the shelters, we started off with some pretty massive shelters. We scaled those down to be more functional, again, a little more of a value component in the shelters. But these are Icon. They're the best in the industry. Again, colors on these will match the aesthetics of the park as well. We've talked about some Bayesian and some terracotta-type colors on the structures to make them match and mesh well. And the site furnishings will be the same.

What's our square footage on those? I don't see a measurement.

On these, it's a 24 by 44 pavilion. Yeah. And the ones that were scheduled to be there were 42 by 30. So we're not losing a ton. The other ones were more of a vaulted, but they had massive steel. And the entry heights on those were like 16 feet. Big structure. So we're staying true to the design intent by giving you a really good value option.

And are these on concrete? These will be on concrete pads?

So they can, there'll be tables and stuff so you could have picnics.

Yeah, site furnishings will be under these and throughout the park according to Terracon. Power? Yes, power. That's where you go when the kids are jumping off stuff. Yeah. There's a spot for you to see it right over there. Bingo. Yeah. So that's the park top to bottom.

How much sitting space for parents do you have?

There's two of these large pavilions. In addition to the two large pavilions, there's four benches around the main play area. Then I think we've scheduled a few others to be around some of the auxiliary play areas. And then there's the seating area with two kids' tables by the water table in that space. And then looking at Terracon's design, they've got a lot of natural boulders and things spread throughout the park. There's lots of boulders out there. Yeah. They might just take some and move those around, but those will become seating spaces for people at the park as well.

Some of the seating, will it be under some of these shaded areas? Yeah, absolutely.

Some of this might be a question for Ken, but Ken, I don't recall in the landscape package, I mean, we are planting a number of trees out there, aren't we? You knew Scott was going to ask that question. Well, I mean, we see all this lovely stuff, but we've got to eventually have shade.

86.

96 would be better, but 86 is good.

But 86 in five years will be a lot of natural.

It will. No, it will indeed.

So yeah, we didn't, that's not counting the shrubs and all the other stuff that goes in.

And while you're up here, so what kind of a time frame do we think we're looking at for this process?

PRT will be done in October. The bridge will be done in November.

Okay.

And then it turns to Mr. Foster in the spring because of the pour in place and the stuff.

It has to be a certain temperature.

All the fun stuff, we'll have the restroom, PRT is part of that. Parking lot, those kinds of things. If all the stuff will be planted. If Paul has the ability to put the pavilion in, he'll do it. But all the play features, that would be a springtime.

So we think by next late spring, early summer, it'll be functioning as a park?

It just needs 50 degrees for a certain number of days.

Yeah.

So the grass will be, the sod will go down this fall so that it can germinate.

All the stuff will be implanting, growing. Great. Doing all that stuff. He's the finished dresher. He's the fun part. Yeah, he just comes in and when he's done, the ribbons fly.

Can we go back to the site plan, both of you? You might be part of this too, Ken, so stay right there. So where are we at on things? Because I've heard both things. So with what we've budgeted and what they're planning on doing now, what are we at on the other side of the canal? Are we doing anything? I mean, I see it on here, but does that mean that are we doing stuff on the other side where we've talked? Or is he only doing stuff on one side?

He's doing it on the south side to finish that up. We put the bridge and the infrastructure over there. And the pipes will be along under the bridge and all those kind of things. But as far as amenities over there, we haven't.

So there's no grass, nothing's being built on the other side? It's a bridge to nowhere.

We have it designed, but that'll be another day.

Yeah, sure.

Okay.

I just wasn't sure because this makes it look like some stuff will happen over there.

We have the outdoor classroom concept and those things that have been talked about over there. It hasn't been put to a budgetary number.

Right. The trail segment that comes through there is supposed to be on the north side of the channel.

That will be done.

So the bridge will take you from the trail over to the park or vice versa? Yep.

Yeah, the Fiddler's Trail will end up being from what it currently is to hook on to here to go to get us, you know, down to Main Street and under and doing that whole connection. So that'll be really nice.

Yeah, absolutely. And that's all part of, that's a different contract, but that's all still part of this whole idea, right?

Yeah, you'll see this park turn into, when that trail's done, it'll be a trailhead. People will park there and then take the trail and go further on.

When is the trail expected to be done?

That's a Jonathan question. I don't know the timeline on that.

That's fine.

All right. Okay. Do you also have any further questions? Anybody in the public want to comment?

I'd say Ms. Shoemaker might have a question or two. Yeah, come on up. Come on up. I figured you might. She's here to represent her north side.

Yeah, my name's Kim Skinmaker. I've been a part of this process for those four years that we've been waiting for this. I just have a couple questions. Not a lot, just logistics. And maybe not even to you, but maybe Ken can answer them. Well, on the playset, the tall one, the structure, the slide, is it going to be natural colored? It's not going to be orange, right?

We have finalized colors, but what you see are the proposed colors.

Okay. Because I know in the renderings that I saw that were put out kind of through Terracotta, there was more of a stainless steel kind of look. or a grayish look that was far less loud, I guess. Anyway, and...

So, Paul's really good at giving us whatever flavors we want. This park is not going to have any of those bright colors that the Park Discovery has. We want to make this the natural.

More natural.

So it's all going to have those beiges

Is it more like a burnt orange, kind of like a red rocky orange?

A red rock kind of orange, not a Denver Broncos orange. Sorry, Paul. You're not going to get it. So it's more of a, you know, Texas flavor, Texas University flavor orange than it would be a Bronco flavor.

More of a Longhorn than a Bronco.

How about the Red Hills? More like the Red Hills.

There you go. We wanted Paul to include Like the play feature of the water and the rock climbing thing, that'll blend in really well with Fiddler's Canyon and those kind of things, so it won't detract from the area.

Okay.

Okay, and I guess the other logistical question I had, and it's just because I park at the library park a lot. Did we clarify that those parking slots are going to be a little bit bigger than the ones that are at the library? Okay, because I hate those ones.

These are new parking lots. Have you seen our new parking lot?

I've seen the new parking lot, but the ones I know. The ones on the street. The ones on the park side recently in the last two, three days. Yeah, they're very narrow. I can't fit my car in them.

They are very narrow. Why?

Okay, that was, I think the main stuff, I think the other questions were kind of answered. Thank you. Thank you so much.

All right, anyone else? I just have one last question for Paul. What's the life expectancy on the ropes and everything like that? I mean, what do we need to expect? Because there's a lot of ropes on that tower, right? There's climbing ropes and all that. I mean, how long do those usually last, and what do we expect costs to replace them?

Yeah, you look at those structures, there's a lot of rope play involved in all of them. And so rope play always depends on use. And so typically what we see with ropes, and Ken's done this a lot as well, excellent warranty if there ever is anything that happens with it, but it's a four... piece rope design so it's got four layers of it. Very robust, it's typically a 15-year life cycle on all the rope plate and everything you see on the rope including the spinner all comes from the same place so it's all the same thing if there's ever any issues. For replacement purposes or upgrades. then Ken just comes directly to me for anything that they need if there are any issues with it. There's some flex tread items through it as well that are similar to a rope, same warranty on those, and we have it. We'll outline that really clearly as well. So yeah, great longevity on the equipment in general. In the woods, a lot more maintenance-free than what you've seen with other wood-type playgrounds.

Thanks for bringing that up, Councilman Wilkie, because that's part of why we work with Big T is because the warranties that we get, the replacement parts that we get, he doesn't give us any guff about when we bought it and what it was. He just sends a part. We replace it. A lot of the things they do are nice now because they're in sections, so it's not replacing the whole thing. It's just replacing the section, making the section right. And like the climber down to Main Street Park that we just put in, the climber, that's in sections now. So if one of them, somebody gets crazy and decides to break one, he just sends us the other section. We just connect it, and away we go. So we love the longevity of Big T's stuff and their warranties, and we appreciate his service. He's really quick at fixing things that wouldn't happen. So I'm not concerned with the warranty. That's the great thing about what we're doing now, Even the West Canyon one and that one it's not gonna be a park discovery thing. It's gonna be Way way way down the road.

So don't go away because you might have to come back up here first We'll have Kim come back up and then Scotty Okay, so this is I know we touched on this but is there I don't know from the city or for the City Council as far as like Timeline on when phase two we're gonna start working on that and when we hope to have that done. I

As in the outdoor classroom side?

Yeah, the part between that small section.

It'll all depend on budgetary stuff, but we'll look at impact fees, we'll look at other general funds.

So like five more years is kind of what we're thinking, because that's how long it's taken us. I would like three more years. And we've had the money for this one, so...

Well, I think it also comes down to, you know, we've talked to lots in the past. There was fundraising efforts. I don't know where those have gone. We need to get back together, I guess, and talk about where things are at. I mean, there was, you know, originally plans to have memorial stuff and all that kind of stuff. And so we just need to get back on track there and see. If there is anything that I don't know.

I would hope that this would be the second phase would be done sooner than later.

Yeah.

That's the best I can tell you right now.

Okay, thank you.

I want it done during my tenure. Scotty.

Scotty Harbell, post-adjutant, American Legion. Are there going to be an American, is there going to be a flagpole with lighted? And is there going to be any future plans for veterans memorials? That's my question.

I don't know about Veterans Memorials because it wasn't designed other than a park, but I let Ken talk about the flagpole, I don't know about that. Doesn't mean we couldn't.

No, but there's a flag, designed, we just don't know exactly what location we want it to be.

Okay, great. Make sure it's tall enough that we can get a couple flags on it or at least two flag poles or something.

We're gonna make, kind of look at the tree design, pick the right spot for us.

Yeah, I think we should do that. Then I have one other, just my last comment was, in the powder coating process for the hammock portions and maybe other things, I don't know who you use, but could you explore, I mean, I'm really struck by the notion of trying to do a wood, and I know we have scenic painters that can create wood because they do it all the time in my profession, but I don't know if such a thing's even possible in a powder coating world.

Okay, I'll check with our vendor on that. I know they have a chemical process that we use because it's our site furnishing vendor that can do that powder-coated steel. Yeah. Where they use a chemical treatment that comes out really cool. It looks like kind of a copper-plated looking thing, and they can do it in different colors. Yeah. As far as making it look like wood.

More like wood.

Yeah, I'll check on that.

Yeah, I can't imagine that they haven't been asked that before, but whether that's possible, I don't know.

Yeah. I'll check capabilities. Okay.

Thank you. Any other questions from the council? This is just a presentation.

It's just a presentation. We don't need to move it along, right?

Thank you so much, Paul, for being here, and thanks for your presentation. Thank you. Thanks. All right. We're going to move on then. Our next item under the staff agenda is considered resolution approving the Heritage Center fees and contracts. Mr. Clark.

Jason Clark, manager, Heritage Theater. Before we begin, in my layman's understanding, you know, someone signs a document, you sign it, it becomes a contract. In sending what we had looked at in contracts to Randall, he made some comments and then got back to me about, really, we should be doing waivers, not contracts. And so we have kind of suspended that portion right now simply because there are some legal technicalities there, and we would literally need to be coming either to Dallin Alcott or Paul to have our hundreds and hundreds of rentals signed. So we decided we're going to reexamine that as a waiver. Randall, do you care to speak to that in any way?

Why are we diverting to this?

I mean isn't, I'm signing an agreement to pay you X amount of dollars, I'd like to use your space.

Well, yes. And so the concept is, and you can use either option. Most of our other agencies and our departments are using the waiver route. That way they don't have to find someone who's authorized to sign contracts under the city's policies. The result ends up being the same, right? It forms, we're letting you use our property. You have to sign the waiver first. So it ends up with the same legal result, but it simplifies the process in having to get it done.

And are we protected in that in court of law?

As much as you can be by any.

If somebody doesn't pay? You make a pay up front.

Yeah, so the payment's up front. This isn't to cover payment. This is with regards to liability risk.

The pay is what it is. You guys set the rates. Jason charges them the rates. The waiver just says they're not going to break stuff. They're not going to do stupid things in our facility. They're going to treat it respectfully, things like that.

Yeah. Okay. So thus we decided that we want to reexamine that as a waiver type situation. Once again, layman's understanding versus an actual practical legal understanding. Okay. Okay.

Any questions, counsel, on that? No. Okay. Okay.

We have done an extensive review of the rates for comparable facilities throughout the region and staff has worked diligently in addition to the staff under me. My department head, Dallin Alcott, as well as the economic development team has assisted greatly in putting this together. Hopefully that when you see this, you'll have a clear understanding of what we're after. We were asked to look at different, okay, Festival Hall. We can start with Festival Hall. Festival Hall, we were asked to look for competitive rates, and what we did is we looked at various places. You can see at the bottom the various.

Excuse me, Mr. Clark. Tom, could you ask those young ladies to quiet it down, please?

Yeah.

Thank you. Go ahead, I'm sorry.

Okay. We've had some rate increases in the past, but inflation and also we've had many addition venues come into our community versus what it was 20 plus years ago. And we examined that and currently I had my staff break down what are we charging per square foot per four hour block? Because that's our minimum. We don't want to rent someone for 30 minutes or an hour. whatever time they need, by the time we've put in four hours, we feel that's an appropriate block of time. So you can see there that presently we are on a, we're on the downward slope of that. You can see that dotted line. So after all this investigation, we're gonna propose the following. Once again, council have asked for some competitive rates. Next slide, please. OK. And this is what we propose, a doubling of those rates. And as you can see, we basically flatten out that line and become where everyone else is in our community. So we do have, as you see, there are some outliers there that are way out there. Those tend to be very luxurious places, primarily designed for private parties, wedding receptions, that kind of thing. And while we do have that, that's kind of a niche market.

Yes. Well, one question I have, would you agree that probably your number one rented room upstairs is room number seven? It is. So why is it the cheapest? Price per square foot. I mean, I just I mean, that's the room I've always rented. I just was my question. It's I mean, that would be my only looking at this whole thing is that would be my only thing is it's like and if and if that pushes people into other rooms, I'm OK with that because in other rooms are getting rented. And I just don't see why room seven should come at a discount when it's our number one rented room.

You know, we certainly could raise that. We're raising it significantly. So you're taking it from, because right now is it 250 every four hours or 300 every four hours?

We've doubled the rate. So it's going up to like 600 every four hours. It's further down on the thing if we want to scroll down there. Will you scroll down? Yeah, so.

Yes, okay. So if you scroll, just scroll down just a bit more, and there we go, room seven, okay? So now, we apologize, the numbers are transposed here, but we're going from, we're going from,

The right column to the middle column.

Yes. So you're going from 225 to 445. Yes. And we kind of tried to round to the nearest five in all things considered. So we're going to a substantial increase. And being that the case, we would like to test the market with these rates. and see where we fall. We will have some drop off. Some people who are getting the room currently will not come back. We do plan on once rates are established of having a major marketing campaign. We kind of held back on that because we wanted to get new rates. We didn't want to get a lot of business and then jack up prices on people who hadn't paid. So we wanted to kind of nail this down first. So we think that's a substantial increase. And we would like to kind of take this where we look at this each of the next two or three years. So we're dialing in the price that is most effective.

And it looks like now you're also going to be charging for the kitchen, where before that was just included in Room 7. Is that right? That is correct. So now, in addition, if you want to use the kitchen, you have to pay for it.

Yeah, not everyone uses the kitchen. And the kitchen is more labor-intensive to clean. So we thought we ought to include those rights.

What's the difference between basic and full use, though?

That's probably an antiquated term that we might want to eliminate, to be perfectly honest. Because unless you're monitoring the person, they're going to use it all. So we will make the appropriate adjustment to that. It should just be full use.

Yeah, I would agree with you.

That's something that hung over. Like I say, we're literally examining dozens and dozens of different categories, but that's probably one that should just simply go away, the basics.

Yeah, if you want access to the fridges, you can ask the guys.

Please. I have a question. So if you look at some of your totals on, let's just take meeting room seven, since it's there, you have 890, you have 420, you have 105, 210. I'm assuming those numbers derive from square footage then times...

It's a four hour block.

And let's say it's $45 an hour so you times that by four and that's how you get whatever you get. I'm just wondering why it isn't $450 or why it isn't $125 or $225 or $200. I mean it just seems like weird numbers but I'm sure there's a reason those numbers.

Well, we're basing it on square footage and things like that. So if we want to set more block rates, we certainly can do that. But we're trying to keep it to the square footage versus our competition. We're trying to just dial it in. What is our competition looking at?

Do you think that will be a better marketing angle for you if you do that as opposed to getting 25 more dollars? Because if I'm running a room, quite honestly, and you tell me it's 420 or it's 425, it doesn't make a bit of difference. I'm going to pay 425 or I'll pay 450 if I need the room. But I just don't know if there was a marketing angle you thought might be more.

There was no per se marketing angle other than we were trying to tie it to what the current market was and relate it that way. We certainly can adjust that if you want breaks at each $25 or $50. If that is a request by the council, we certainly can adjust to that. But we were just basing it on square footage as compared to our competitors.

By you doubling these, essentially, you could lose half your business. And you'd still make the same amount of money and it would cost us a lot less because it'd be less light, less employees. You'd be making the same amount of money with a lot less effort.

Yeah, as per council request, we took all those factors into consideration. Right now, the heaviest users are the county and the city, which use the facility for free. But there's ways to go to fill up available dates on the festival hall side.

Councilman, do you have any comments? Councilman Schmidt?

No, I like what you're talking about there, Councilman, that I'd like to see nice, good, solid numbers. Round numbers? Round numbers. That's fine.

We can adjust that. That's not a problem. We rounded them to the nearest $5. We certainly could round them to the nearest $25, if that's what you request.

I think that, and then I don't know how many people really understand square footage, but... take a look on the buildings and what we're renting them out for. Instead of saying so much per square foot, probably most people don't even really get how big a square foot building is.

Most people, what they do, they come in and we show them the rooms and they're like, This room's too small, this room is too big, this one's just right, Goldilocks type of situation. We broke it down to a square footage so that we know exactly what our competition was charging versus us, and then we realized that we have not raised the rates to be a competitive, and that was the request by council last time to make them competitive, and so we have, but we certainly can round them to the nearest 25. Like I say, most people do physically come in and look at the rooms they want to rent.

Yeah, I mean, it may be rounding down, too, because if something's 205, you say, we're just going to charge 200.

Round it to the nearest 25. We certainly can do that. I think that would be good. Yeah, the public will never see the square footage price. That was just for you to know.

No, we don't show that. We were providing that for information for you, where we have been, where we're going, and how we got there.

So with these new price adjustments, we're a lot more in line with this?

Yes, we're basically in line with what the room rental market is. Okay. I'm fine with that.

Mr. Alcott, are you okay with those revisions that council is seeming to want to move towards? Is that something that we could have available by next week so we could vote on that?

Yeah, we can easily round it to the nearest 25. That is no problem. I mean, we already have it in the documents.

Any other discussion you guys have on these fees itself?

Well, we talked about some of the renovation stuff. How are we coming on that?

Do you want to take a second and look at the theater fees? That was the Festival Hall side.

Yeah, sure. The theater, we basically have, I'm not sure whether it's scroll up or scroll down, it's per seat. Go up two more, two more please. There we are. Theaters are usually compared. The biggest comparison is not how big the theater is, but by how many seats you have. What we've done is we've taken a look at what are we charging per per seat in the venue. There are other factors. The producer wants to know how big the stage is. Can you do certain lighting effects? There's a lot of other factors involved in renting a theater. But the first one is how many seats do you have? And so we broke our facility down per seat versus other venues within our region.

This is not the right page, I don't think, Ken.

No, that was the right page. That was the right page. No, that's the price per square foot still. Oh, pardon me.

Where are we? OK.

You've got to go down here. Okay. Keep going. Keep going, keep going. No, that page right there. Okay, proceed. Okay. Let me see what the header is on that, if I may. That's the proposed rate, so let's go up one more. So anyway, so. Okay, I apologize. That's okay. Okay, so let's scroll down just one and we propose increasing it so that We're not gonna flatten that curve. We don't believe flattening the curve in one year is a realistic way to do this, especially, basically, we are booked at capacity now, but this dramatically flattens it. I wish, let's see. Yeah. I mean, before, just so you know, somewhere there's a slide that says should say it's 76 per seat, and we're going to 96. So we're dramatically lowering that elevation, and we believe that the rate increase, we'll be able to reduce that between revenue and expenditure. Can you scroll down one more slide? To give you an idea, I guess back up, my apologies. Oh, there it is. No, that isn't. Would there be one higher? Possibly. Okay, yes, here we go. This gives you an idea. We just selected four different events we had in the past, and we're withholding names for that just as an example. These are four kind of different types of event, smaller use, larger use, and you can see in here what our current rate would be. what our original proposal was a month and a half ago versus what this new increase that we've come for or that we're requesting. You can see in that first example, example A, it's more than a $1,000 increase. For a local non-profit, that's a huge increase for them. Other of the increases are not as drastic, But we're asking all of our local groups to chip in a little more and to pay away their way a little more. And that gives you an idea of the difference there. So the original increase was approximately $50 more for the use of the theater. We have increased that to $100. We've also increased the charge for our technicians. And you can see what in. And that's probably why that one is so big is because it's a tech heavy. It's a tech heavy example. Tech heavy event. And you can see at the very end, D, that's not a very tech heavy, so the increase isn't all that large. That's mostly just increase in the rental. But these are all things that add up for our users. And so we're making a concerted effort to meet council objectives while pacing in for our local groups.

Yeah, the other thing, though, that we have to consider as council, and I'm very sensitive to what you're saying, Mr. Clark, but our costs as a city are going up. I mean, our employee costs are going up. You know, heat goes up, air conditioning costs go up, power goes up. We've got to be able to somehow recoup some of that in the facilities and Very honestly, I know more and more ARCH groups have come into the RAP tax pool, but fortunately, for the time being, our revenues have also increased in that area. So all of the organizations got a bump this year that applied. So it's just what it is. We have to... Councilman.

We ought to... We went to a meeting today on another deal, and they talked about their fees. And I won't go over what they all are, but they were quite substantial. But they had to do that in order to keep up. And I don't see with the maintenance that is required or needed on our facility and the fees that we're charging, the amount of people, the bookings that you currently have, I see us falling further and further and further behind. We're not saying we have to make a profit on all these everything, but we got to be able to cover at least updating and fixing some of these things, and we're not doing that. So we need to get these prices up a little bit.

Yeah, we fully agree. We're hoping that we will have a similar rate increase next year.

Well, we're not talking next year. Well, I understand. We're talking now because we are not getting there. Not yet.

So you're not comfortable with the proposed increases that?

I don't think it, I don't see it being substantial enough. We're still falling, even though everything around economics and everything else is going up, to me, on the theater, we are falling further and further behind. We're not there, but that's just.

Okay, well, like I say, we're here to serve, and if you want us to go back and propose yet another

I think what we want to do is I think for the purpose of trying to move this forward, we want to have you round this to the $25 we talked about. And are there any further discussions on the theater itself? Can we go to the one sheet that talks about the theaters that talks about $750 to $900? I think it's... Next one down. That's the current rate right there. Yeah, that's the current rate. And now I think it's the next one right here. No, that's... No, got to go down maybe one more.

No, where is the proposed? Because I know there was some. But that's per seat, so that's, you'll need to scroll up. So this is the current rate for the theater. We'll keep scrolling up and let's see if we can track it down. This is the four different items.

I don't think that slides in there. No, I don't think it might. The one thing I see on the seat rate.

It is in your packet. We're asking for, with sound and lights, it would be an additional $200. For a four-hour? Yeah, for the use of the theater. So a $200 increase, you know, Is that where we need to end up eventually? No, but from one year to the next, we think that's a sizable increase for our organizations.

Yeah, I think the one thing that we need to keep in mind is there's one night performances and then that's the $200. But somebody that's in there for three weeks or two and a half weeks, it's $200 every day they're in there. Exactly. And so that can be a substantial increase.

For a single night, that's not substantial increase. But people who are doing multiple performances, that begins to stack up fairly quickly.

Correct.

but by them being in there for multiple nights, are they taking that location from somebody that could use it for a single night?

There are, there is a lot of what ifs and how bes to utilize the theater differently. Right now we are under a first come first serve rental arrangement. So that's a policy that if the council wants to address, we certainly can address that. We thought at this point that was beyond the scope of just the fee increase.

I'm just saying that's why it's hard. I mean, I get what you're saying. It's just it's hard to say, well, if you're past a certain number of nights, start giving a discount per night because could we fill it up with somebody who's not gonna get a discount? I don't know.

Right. Can you go to the seat price? It's down one page. Go down one page. Scroll down. He's going.

That's at the very bottom, so we need to scroll up somewhere. Up.

My wife and I always disagree on that.

Keep going. As if you grabbed it with your finger and pulled down.

Yes.

What are you looking for? Keep going down.

The per seat cost. Right, right. Okay, so this is the new proposed.

Okay, now I'm looking at the theater Sunday through Thursday at 96 cents, and I look down here at other venues, and I don't see anybody even close to that.

And so I... They probably don't break it down. I imagine that's just their standard fee, I guess. I mean, we are above some.

At 96, we're above some, and we're below others. So... The high school's below us.

10 of you is the only one.

So if you want to rent the high school auditorium...

I think there's just a little bit of room here.

I think it's fair. I think it's a fair question, Councilman, to ask. I don't know what you're proposing.

Well, I'm just looking at this thing. I think that from what I'm seeing on this chart, we could at least go up to $1.06, maybe $1.05. If we're standing around numbers, go from $1.96 up to $1.05. Puts us more in line with everybody else on the side.

Jason, can you explain to me, so the difference between rehearsal and theater, so they pay a cheaper price during all their rehearsals, and then the nights the shows are actually open, they pay more?

There are other venues that do similar things. Some don't. But when you are rehearsing, as a rule, You don't have as many people in the building. You're not using the lobby restrooms. You don't need all the tech support. Yeah. So you only have technicians there. You don't have house support. So our running costs are lower on a rehearsal night than a performance night. Yeah, it makes sense. You just bumped your microphone. My apologies. Cost during a rehearsal process are lower for us. Also, it is just industry standard because there is no way they make money. This is just an outlay for them. So that's just money they're losing. They only make money on the nights they're doing performance. It's typical in the business. Now, that doesn't mean we have to offer that, but it's customary, shall I say.

Well, I would love your opinion and maybe Councilman Phillips' opinion. I guess my only concern with that is giving somebody a rehearsal rate that's less on a Friday and a Saturday. Like if you're going to take the auditorium over the weekend to rehearse, I think you should pay what we could. I mean, those are our biggest days. So I'm fine with them getting a discount on rehearsal during the week. But I think on the weekend, if they're going to take up the whole auditorium and we're having to say possibly no, to something that would be using it, and we could be collecting $1.06 per seat. We're only charging half of that because they happen to be rehearsing on the weekend. So I don't know. What are your thoughts? I mean, is it weird?

I think that's a fair – I mean, you have to look at supply and demand.

Correct.

And generally speaking, our Fridays and Saturdays are the busiest times in the theater. I assume that's true with Festival Hall, too. I don't know if that's true, but – Festival Hall for evening events, yes, during the week. It's all meetings all the time, yeah. So I would be fine with something like that.

I just struggle to give them the whole theater on the two busiest days of the week for a much lesser price because they want to rehearse on a weekend. I get it, right? I mean, they're doing, you know, especially when it comes time to doing your, you know, your full curtain call and your full cast rehearsals, Saturday is their best day to do it, right?

That being said, rehearsals on Fridays and Saturdays are less frequent for that very reason because they want to perform on Friday, Saturday. So we could simply eliminate it. Yeah, so it shouldn't be a big deal because most things are not going to be rehearsed. It will not affect many groups because very few are rehearsing on a Friday and Saturday simply because that's when they want to perform. Yeah. But we can eliminate that if that's your desire. We can take a look at that.

I guess what it is is I would just hate the weekend before their performance and be like, well, let's rehearse on the weekend, too, because we can get it for so cheap.

All right, gentlemen, in order to move this forward, let's see if we can synchronize here what we want them to walk away with so they can come back next week with some direction.

Take a look at changing the seat price.

Yes, you may make a comment before we move away.

Yes. Good evening, Tom Jett. Phil's exactly right. This theater's gonna disappear and so are a lot of other options if we don't get it in our financial house in order when it comes to being self-sufficient. No one expects it to make a profit, nor do I. We have a, I guess I had just a question for Jason here. How often is the basement below the main theater used for play rehearsals and so forth.

Not too often.

That's a very large room.

I know, but the problem with that rehearsal hall when it was built, and correct me if I'm wrong, Jason, but the ceilings are so low, you can't really do a full stage rehearsal in there because you can't put your arms up over your heads, you can't raise a sword, you can't climb a staircase.

They're not 12-foot ceilings? Oh, no.

I think it's eight, maybe nine. I don't know that for positive.

It's been 20 years since I was down there. Yeah.

But a good point, but it comes back to the design of the building itself.

Okay. Well, I just think maybe they could push it. Yeah. And for those events that aren't raising the swords or. or that type stuff just for general performance. Sure. And so we get that utilized a little bit more because it's a shame to let that space be heated and not utilized. Yeah. Thank you.

Thanks. Thank you. The one thing, you know, my final comment on this and I think, I think Jason will agree with this. I think Councilman Phillips will as well, is we do gotta be somewhat cautious. Some of these things that we're saying we gotta be competitive, we're competing against private enterprise. Their job is to make money. This is a community theater. It's our job. This is for the community. And so we need to always keep that, try to keep that as part of the conversation. We don't need to be the same price as a private enterprise. Their job is to make money. Our job is not to make money off of this theater. Our job is for it to try and pay for itself as much as possible. So, well, as is the golf course, as is the aquatic center, as in any parks. So, um, round them to 25. We talked about that round all the rooms to 25. That was one of them. Um, I think we are somewhat in agreeance to try and remove the rehearsal on Friday and Saturday or something with the rehearsal on Friday and Saturday. I just. Maybe you could pull up a calendar and see how many times it happens, and if it's once or twice a year, then.

It's more than that, but it is not a regular, it's not a, because they want to perform on Fridays and Saturdays. So if we were to eliminate it, it would impact only a minority group, simply because that's when they want to perform most often.

And then I think the other thing was Councilman Schmidt wanted to look at the rehearsal.

I'd like to raise the seat prices.

To the $5 or $6?

$5 at least, or $6, make them both.

And see what that does in terms of its rounding.

Yeah, I mean, these prices are based upon the rental cost broken out per seat. Sure. This was just to give you a comparison so you know what we're looking at. So we're looking at $1.05. Roughly.

I mean, let's see what that is. We don't want some odd number of $1,013.

Okay, so what we will do is we will take it to the $1.05, and then we'll round to the nearest $25, and we'll bring that back next week.

That would be great.

Great.

And we appreciate all you're doing.

Yes, we do, so I still need a motion on what we're gonna do here.

Oh, well, with that, I would move that we put it on action, because it's a resolution.

Okay, that's fine. Do I have a second to that motion?

Second.

Okay, thank you, Jason. We'll be having this an action meeting next week.

Thank you, gentlemen. Thanks, Jason.

All right, as I am mayor, I have the authority to go back on something, because I missed something early on in the meeting I wanted to talk about, so I'm gonna break protocol here for just a minute. I wanted to ask Ken Fugel, our city engineer, to give us an update on the 100 East Road project.

Yeah, so the 100 East Road project is substantially complete. I think we're down to really just punch list items that we're trying to finish up. But yeah, the project has gone fairly well. We've got the curb gutter sidewalk in, the It's paved, and we've been moving forward with that. But yeah, we're just trying to get it wrapped up, get the contract.

Is that on both sides, or is that just up to 900 north?

So I believe, well, that's a good question. I honestly don't know the answer to that.

They paved over on... They've paved both sides of the golf course road. I don't know if they've chip sealed all the way up, though.

Yeah, and I'm not 100% sure. The last time I was out there, they had not yet, but I was under the impression that had now been done. That may have been incorrect. But yeah, the portion that's being widened with the curb gutter and sidewalk and the full asphalt mat, that is substantially complete now. Great.

Thank you. Alrighty, thank you. Now we'll move on. I'm sorry to keep you gentlemen waiting, Steve. I apologize.

Is the net up?

I do not believe the net is up.

The net is not up yet.

Steve, do you know when the net's going up?

Steve Carter, Golf Course Superintendent. Thank you, Council and staff, for taking your time tonight. The net is not up yet.

Do you know when it's going up?

Along the road. It's actually, I don't think it's even out to bid yet.

We should probably bid that out so we don't have people driving up there and getting hit with golf balls.

We met with the engineer just a couple of days ago actually and that's moving forward. So I guess that's all I can tell you there.

You're talking about the net along 100 East? Yeah.

So there's a netting that runs the length of the driving range along 100 East.

I have a wicked slice, so yeah, that would be nice because I don't want to be beaming cars.

So when people are shanking off the driving range, they don't hit a car?

Yeah. All right. For the record, I just want to know that we are considering the purchase of a Toro Real Master Fairway mower in the amount of $100,277.

Correct. That is, I know on the quote here, there were other things on there, but it's just for the fairway unit. It's to replace the fairway unit that we have that was bought in 2014, has 5,000 plus hours on it. We've used the life out of it. And so we're just looking to move forward with this.

So this is a new machine? It is. And are we selling the old one or giving it away?

No, we're actually going to keep it. We're going to use it until it just quits as a first cut mower. So we're going to use it to mow just the first cut. And we do that probably twice a week, so it won't be used as much as the other one. but I think we can get another year. Another year, year and a half, maybe two years out.

So the information that was in our packets for all the additions on there, that's not part of what you're proposing here?

So it includes everything that is in underneath that right there all the way down to the MVP kit and the hydraulic hose.

So all that's included in the $100,000 price. Correct. Yeah, but you're not looking at the other stuff below it.

Nope. Okay. Uh-uh. We're actually going to go a different direction on those utility vehicles. Okay.

And this is in the budget, correct?

It is, yes.

I tried to look it up, but I didn't get time to say. Okay.

It's in there. Okay. Well, then, Mayor Pro Tem, I would move that we put this on consent. I would second that.

Okay. The motion is second, and we will put that on consent for next week.

Sweet.

Thank you. Now, don't go too far away, I guess. Now we're considering a lease agreement with Highland Golfing in the amount of $5,198.27 per month. This is on the new golf carts, correct?

How many golf carts are we?

80. 80 carts? Yes, 80 carts.

And then this current lease is for how long?

So it's for five years. It's a 60-month lease, but generally it goes four years, and then you flip it over after the fourth year, and you get a little more bang for your buck on the carts that you're turning back in, and the lease just starts over. If we don't do that, then the city decides whether or not they want to do the lease or buy the carts, which...

So once this is approved or whatever the council decides here, what is the time frame on getting these new carts? When will they be here?

I think the date that we were told was around November 1st.

Oh, not until then.

Yeah.

Yep. And where does this put you at compared to, so you're getting 80. How many carts do you have in your fleet now? I think right now we have close to that. It's 80 or 81. Okay, so it doesn't increase our, I just know when it comes to some tournaments, we max out.

The reason we max out is because we probably have about 10 carts down there that are broke down that are not. Yeah, okay, so.

And you need one or two for staff to run around and take care of issues, and sure. So I just did some simple math, and I just want to make sure you help me here, Steve. I looked at the amount we're proposing, and over a year, that's $62,379,000. but I didn't think that was the amount we had in the budget. But now, if they're not coming till November, I guess that's where we're gonna be okay.

So the budget, we didn't have that full amount, but they already had an existing allocation in their budget to replace golf carts. So we added that allocation plus what you guys added to the budget equals the lease amount.

That was my only question. Good question.

And this amount is including giving us a credit for the trade-ins because we're trading in most of our carts, not all of them.

We're trading all of them in.

Yeah, so we're not going to have a bunch of carts all over.

We're going to have those things working while they pull it up on the trailer. Good. Because that's the determining factor on the trade, and it has to be running.

Yeah, sure.

So we're going to have them going. Most of them right now we're close. I think there's only maybe two carts down there right now. I think we're keeping just a few to send out to the treatment plant, a few things like that, aren't we? Correct.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay. Great. Mayor, with that, I move that we put that on consent as well. I'll second that. Okay. We've got a motion and a second. We'll move that to consent for next week.

Okay. Mayor Pro Tem, with that, I would move that we close this regular meeting and move into our closed session. I'll second that. I have a motion and a second. All in favor? Aye.

You need a roll call.

A roll call. You're so right. Councilman Wilkie. Aye. And Councilman Schmidt. Aye. And I don't vote. Aye.

No, you're wrong.

Yeah, so motion carries. Thank you all for being here tonight. Appreciate it. Ken, thank you.