Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

my spot. I was just saying I need to be where you're at. I'm a lefty. Not too bad. [Music] Thank goodness. Okay, this really isn't too bad, honestly. Power hour has arrived. Oh, no. From Sim. James is named at his desk. All good. Yep. I'd like to call the July 3rd meeting of the Cash Grand Planning and Zoning Commission to order. Please rise and join me for the pledge. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Erica, would you let the record show that all all members are here are present? Are there any changes to the agenda, Mr. Chairman? There are no changes to the agenda. All right. Thank you, commissioners. We have a set of minutes. I think just the one. Yep. I had in front of us. Mr. Chairman, like to make a motion, please. Have we approved the minutes of the June 5th, 2025 meeting? Second. Okay. Got a motion to second. Any discussion?

All in favor say I. I. Any opposed? Okay, motion pass approved. Okay, so next on our agenda is the consent agenda which has just the one item and this is um this would be acting enacted by one motion, one vote of the commission. There won't be any separate discussion about this particular item unless the commission member or a member of the public would uh like so request this event will be then it'd be removed and and heard as in the normal process. Um so anybody in the public if this is something that you want to hear about or want to comment on please let us know. Okay. Seeing none there, commissioners. Good. Okay. Chair like I'd like to make a motion. That'd be great. I'd like to make a motion to approve the consent agenda. I'll second. Okay. Got a motion in a second. Any discussion? Um Erica, why don't you call the role, please? Member Smith. I. Member Alderret. I. Member Vanderhden. Yes. Member Hubard. Yes. Member Peters. Hi. Vice Chair Garza. Hi. Chairman Benedict. Yes. Very good. Okay. Next is the public comment portion of our meeting. This is designed so that anybody from the public that would like to address the commission on any issue except what's on our agenda. Um, anything that's on our agenda. We'll get to those comments when uh when that comes up. There's anything else that you'd like to

address the commission. Please come forward. Good evening. Thank you, commission. And um my name is Nancy Wood, 513 East Veel Road, Cas Grand, Arizona. I'm coming tonight because of things that I've spoken of in the past on zoning. uh for the area that's Courtzson and Cas Grand Avenue where they were doing the um manufactured home kind of RV um zoning uh for for that area there. The reason I had spoken before was because um on that particular property there's the issue where the water comes down Cass Grand Avenue and diverts into that property and then winds around and goes down to Courtzson and um what happens is it almost all the water that comes from the west side just south of that area comes down through the the uh housing communities down um different streets and a lot of it uh ends up on Cas Grand Avenue which gets pretty well flooded. Well, last night it was more than it's been in a long time. And the thing was the problem was that it really wasn't draining very well. I think I had seen that they had taken on that property where they had um a lot of mosquite trees and other things and they'd been bulldozing and knocking stuff down and uh there's still a lot of debris um on the property. I don't know what the zoning is and how the the the property is being worked at the moment, but uh I believe that the work that they had done or the fact that things hadn't

been cleaned up also with uh AOT and the city with the drainage that goes all the way down to the the north Santa Cruz branch area because it goes all the way out to uh panel and then goes north to drain into the north branch Santa Cruz and a lot of those um coverts are plugged up and they're not cleaned out by the by the state I think is responsible like AOT and uh it backs up the water and it doesn't flow. So the main thing is is you know I have concerns about what's happening with that property with the zoning and and uh whether that can be checked out because it really um my road gets flooded and it didn't drain last night. It was there was water standing across the road. They couldn't I couldn't walk across the street for you know most of the night because it just wasn't draining. It was really deep. So if it can be checked into to see what is going on with the plans for that property and if zoning comes up in the future that that's a really critical issue to see about how that property is going to drain uh if it's developed. So that was what my issue is tonight. So, thank you very much. All right. Thank you. Yeah, there was a Okay. Anybody else like like to address the commission? Okay. Seeing none, I'll close the public comment portion. We start on our new business. First item, your request by Capital R Construction for conditional use permit for approximately 895 square foot accessory structure at 1296 East McMurray Circle and DSA 250059

and Sam. All right. Good evening, commissioners, chair, vice chair. It's good to see everybody tonight. Uh hopefully we're going to start off real easy here. I've got a request for a conditional use permit as you said for the Tominson garage. Uh they were requesting uh by Capital R Construction for the conditional use permit for approximately 895 square ft uh accessory structure at 1296 East McMurray Circle. Uh this is DSA250059 and I am Samuel Leonard. Uh the applicant is proposing an 895 square foot detached RV garage with a height of approximately 15 feet 5 and 12 in. Um and the uh proposed garage exterior finish will match the existing home. Uh you can see this is the existing lot now. And here's what that existing lot will look like once the uh RV garage has been constructed or at least this is their proposed plan. Um, so the accessory structure is here. Um, and then so, uh, you've seen these before. These are our criteria for a conditional use permit. Uh, the first of those is that the site for the proposed use is adequate in size, topography, and accommodate the use and all that yard spaces, walls, fences, parking, loading, landscaping are adequate to properly relate. Um the proposed RV garage meets all city code requirements for detached garage in an R1 zone. The second one is that the site proposed used relates to streets and highways. Uh the proposed garage will not generate any increased traffic volumes. Uh they have no adverse effect upon the abuing property. uh staff doesn't feel that there should be a significant uh adverse effect on the abuing properties and that the proposed use shall be in compliance with the general plan and it is the neighborhoods allows for uh detached accessory structures that the conditions in the state are approval are deemed necessary to protect

the public health safety and general welfare. Um yeah, that's the wrong uh but yes there's uh so at this time all criteria has been evaluated and covered within a staff report and staff finds that all criteria have been met. Um public notification has been done in compliance with all of the requirements. Uh staff did receive one inquiry this morning with concerns about light bleeding from this from the proposed uh structure if it's going to be let's say they put up a bright light up high on this structure and it bleeds into their backyards. So that was a concern that an adjacent property had. U there's not in the plan currently that I noticed any lighting diagram. It's not something that we require. Um but going forward that is a a genuine concern that uh we're being good neighbors. Um so that was brought up. And then at this time staff recommend that the planning commission approve the conditional use permit and associated resolution DSA250059 for an approximately 895 square foot accessory structure at 1296 East McMurray Circle. And at this time, if you have any questions, I'll be glad to answer them. Very good. Thank you. Commissioners, any questions for staff? Okay. Would the applicant or their representative please come forward? Address the commission. Nobody's here. Okay. Then we will open the public portion of the of the meeting for this item. If you anybody from the public would like to address this issue, um please come forward. Seeing none, I'll close the public portion of the for this item and bring

it back to the commission. Mr. Chairman, like to make a motion. That'd be great. that the commission approve the conditional use permit and associated resolution DSA 25-000059 for the uh 895 foot square foot accessory structure at 1296 East McMurray Circle. Second. Okay, got a motion and a second. Any discussion? Um Sam, what was the height? 15t 5 in. Thank you very much. Okay, any discussion? Hearing none, please call the role. Member Smith, yes. Member Alder, I. Member Vender Hayden, yes. Member Hubard, yes. Member Peters, I. Vice Chair Garza, I. Chairman Benedict, yes. Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you. Next is a request by D Robinson and Associates behalf of the Spre gift trust for uh for Evermore ever home suites zone change. So the general plan DSA 25007 and Jim talk to us. Good evening and just for clarification, this is for a major site plan for Ever Home Suites. And the the request in front of you this evening is to develop a hotel on approximately 2.8 acre site located at the southeast corner of 9inth in

Colorado. The proposed building would be three stories at 35 ft tall, 117 rooms with 119 parking spaces. On the upcoming slides, I'll show you more detail of the site plan. This is an aerial image that shows you the outline of the property that is proposed for development. As you can see, it is right at the corner of Colorado and 9inth, just north of more furniture and the Dollar Tree. This gives you a little bit more close-up detail of the layout of the proposed hotel and the elevations. The property sits within an area zoned B2, which is the city's general business zone. And if you notice on the map, the B2 zoning is that which is colored that pinkish red. There are some other zone districts nearby that site. Due west is a P A which is a planned area development which allows for storage use nonresidential. And then east of Potabomb is Lowe's which is also in a planned area development zone but its entitlement is for commercial. So generally everything south of 9inth Street has a non residential designation. Um I think the the real concern about this area is because it is so far north in that B2 area just on the other side of 9inth you go into the residential zoned areas. You do have a mixture of residential zoning. There is an area to the north that is R3 which is multifamily and then of course um to the northeast

at Pabama and 9inth is also R3 but other than that it's a single family residential neighborhood. In the B2 zone, I have a list of various uses that are considered permitted by Wright. Among this list are hotels, but any development within the B2 zone district does require the submitt of a major site plan and that's what's in front of you this evening. And it is subject to specific review criteria associated with the major site plan. Also in the B2, there is a list of uses that could be allowed through the approval of a conditional use permit. That also would require a major site plan, but there's an added layer of of review because these specific uses are known to be more sensitive depending on the location. With regard to the major site plan that's in front of you this evening, this is the list of criteria that gets evaluated to determine if it's appropriate to consider approval of the proposed development here. The staff report goes into all of these items. Um, but I'm going to just focus on those that are highlighted because I think these are the most pertinent to the discussion. The first criteria that I want to talk about is the conformance to the city's general plan. So just like with the zoning map that I shared, this area is designated as community corridor in our 2030 general plan. It does support urban type development and a mixture of uses. It does um identify properties to be more intense

than other general plan designations. It encourages buildings to have a higher floor area ratio than other designations and um it has a list of zone districts that are considered appropriate. B2 is among that. But then again, just on the north side of 9inth Street is in the neighborhoods general plan designation. Neighborhoods is more accommodating for single family residential development. And 9inth Street, the center line of 9inth, is that divider between community corridor and neighborhoods. And when we receive development requests in areas that are on that border, there is a lot more sensitivity to the to the use proposed because of the adjacency of a of a different type of land use. This is another aerial imagery looking to the south where you can see just right where that dividing line is. You have commercial development along Florence and then you have 9inth Street and then you have the single family area to the to the north. So to contend with that sensitivity with the fact that that you do just have a street dividing the community corridor area from the neighborhoods area and the the B2 area from a single family area. There have been certain site considerations taken into account to help offset some of those impacts. And I was just going to walk through those offsets that are shown on the site plan here. So I've I've highlighted in green all of their landscape area. Um the reason why that's important is along ninth. It's a 50 foot landscape buffer. Uh the code required minimum is 15. And

so that has been done just to add some additional screening and separation of this site from the street and what lies beyond that. The minimum building set back from residential zoning areas is 45 ft and I've denoted that on the site plan. This building has been set back 112 feet from the property line. So further from what would ordinarily be permitted by right. And with regard to the next criteria, relationship of the plan elements to conditions both on and off the property. This is just to walk through some additional site features that help illustrate improvements that are going to be associated with the development. If it were to get approved, there would be the um site's drainage retention needs primarily placed towards the north end of the site. That's why that 50-ft landscape buffer is there um between the parking area and 9inth. By doing so, by putting the drainage retention needs there, it it does again create some additional separation. The setback of the building is 112 ft from 9inth where 45 ft is the minimum. From Colorado Street, the minimum building set back would be 35, but the building is set back a little bit further at 44. There would be a screen wall that would sit between the parking areas and both Colorado and 9inth to help shield the glare from parked cars. There would be a 10-foot rideway dedication for Colorado Street to help achieve its designation as an 80 foot

wide major collector road. 9inth Street um already has its full required dedication as a minor collector at 60 ft wide. The site plan does identify the trash enclosure towards the south end of the site. So that helps minimize noise from garbage pickup, etc. And there would be site improvements um or off-site improvements, including a new sidewalk along 9inth in Colorado, as well as street lamps along both those streets that match the street lamps on the opposite sides of both streets. And they also are showing the primary access to the site off of Colorado, but it's placed towards the far south end. There would be another driveway that accesses Ninth, but it would be anticipated that the primary driveway used would be via Colorado because most people entering the site would be coming into it from Florence, turning on to Colorado, and then into the into the parcel. Another way to help um mitigate the impacts is staff is recommending implementing some signage restrictions on the site and I wanted to walk through that with you. So, because this is in the B2 zone, there are certain sign rules that apply for development that pertain to both wall signage that that goes on the building itself and freestanding signage. So, our um sign code would allow signage to go on any elevation that is parallel to a public road. We want to minimize the amount of signage that goes onto that north elevation because it would be within view of the residential area. So, should this be approved, the recommended condition

would be that wall signage on the north elevation is limited to the first 12 feet of building height and shall not be internally illuminated. with that sign restriction, it would prevent signage from going up along that top band and so it would it would uh help mitigate some of that impact. Ideally, it would be uh a good situation to have signage on the south elevation so that it can be seen from Florence Boulevard, but the sign code does not allow signage on an elevation that's not immediately parallel to a street. So there is a process by which the applicant can apply for a comprehensive sign plan um that can be submitted and considered for approval that would allow for some signage alternatives. So with the restriction of signage on the north elevation, staff would be comfortable to allow signage on the south elevation to where it can be visible from Florence. With regarding freestanding signage, the B2 zoning allows signs of any kind up to a height of 30 feet. So, a recommended condition should this be approved is that freestanding signage actually be restricted in height quite a bit along 9th to 8 feet and along Colorado to 15. And it shall be monument style signage only versus a pole sign. that that could be another scenario without implementing that type of condition. The next criteria that I want to talk about is the impact of the plan on existing and anticipated traffic and parking access and pedestrian and vehicular ingress and egress as well.

So, as I mentioned on a previous slide, the development, if approved, would involve the construction of public sidewalk along Colorado and on 9inth. And they do have two points of ingress egress on their property. The primary one being off of Colorado and then one being off of 9inth. There was a traffic study prepared by Kimley Horn and revised by or reviewed rather by our city's traffic consultant and it was determined acceptable by our city traffic consultant. Both Ninth and Colorado as well as Potabomb south of 9inth are designated as collector roads which are designed generally to handle trip generation anticipated by the hotel and they're designed to collect traffic from neighborhoods as well as commercial businesses and as a collector road they're they feed into arterial roads such as Pier and Florence. Hotels usually have a smaller trip generation than retail. And since this is an extended stay hotel, it's likely to have quelled peak demand hours because there isn't the the typical check-in and checkout times that are associated with standard stay hotels. Should this site be developed as retail, that would promote drive-thru traffic in neighborhoods because it would be a a a known entity, a commodity that the community wants to get to. And so they would they would drive to it in any way they were familiar or knew how. The typical behavior of hotel traffic is to stick to the more um known arterial and collector roads.

The last criteria that I want to talk about, well, the second to the last is um I'm still actually on the the vehicular part. Apologize. This is just a closeup of the um of the access points that I've already gone over, but I do want to point out that they would be bringing in a sidewalk into the site from Colorado. It would cross the drive aisle and and then be access to the building from the south. The the last criteria that I want to talk about is the adequacy of the plan with respect to land use. So, as as a part of our public outreach process associated with major site plan reviews, uh staff received a lot of objection to this proposal. Um and and in summary, the contention is is that this is just not the right fit at this location. Um the map that I'm sharing on the left highlights um locations of of people who provided letters of opposition with respect to this site and and just kind of a summary of the comments and I I understand there's a lot of people in attendance to talk about these issues more specifically but the the primary concerns was traffic increase, lowering of property values and increase in crime, safety concerns about school children, rocking to Grande Innovation Academy, which is located on the east side of Pier north of Home Depot. Um, occupants of the hotel may be those who weren't successful at passing background checks to live in permanent housing and so they will locate at this hotel since it's offers extended stay. And so that was a concern. And then if should they be evicted out of this hotel, then they would be evicted right

next to this neighborhood. And then there was a lot of comparison to Seagull Suites, which is an existing extended stay hotel in the city that has many calls of service and and does have undesired activity and and the concern is is there there is not the want for a seagull suits in this neighborhood. staff did ask the police department to provide um a reporting of the calls for service received for a variety of hotels between January 1st, 2024 to December 31st, 2024. And I rank them in order of the um most calls to service to the least with respect to the number of rooms each hotel has. So technically quality in had 8.1 calls for service per room. Um and then the lowest amongst this sampling was best western at 08. I do want to um clarify that calls for service doesn't necessarily mean criminal activity. It could just be hey I need police here for whatever reason. But that is telling to see the um breakdown of the calls for service for each hotel. the the concern about it being very similar to Seagull. I just wanted to offer a little bit of insight or a different perspective, although that that is a valid concern. Um, Everhome Suites is part of Choice Hotels. And there is another Choice Hotel product in the community known as Mainstay, which is uh also an extended stay hotel located off of Hennis Road, just southwest of Palm Creek. And although mainstay is a twostory building

whereas ever home is proposed to to be three stories just like seagull I think there's a lot more similarity similarity to mainstay than seagull because as you can see just different samplings of ever homes throughout different areas of the country and mainstays they're all internal accessed so they have a lobby that people go through um to check in. There's not the ability for the general public to go to just any random room. Whereas Seagull Suites is not part of the Choice Hotel brand. It's owned by the Seagull Group out of Las Vegas. And as you can see, a lot of the samplings of their hotels are exterior accessed or in the case of the upper right picture, it looks actually very similar to the layout here in Kasa Grande. that does look to be interior access, but it's more sprawling. It's more of a of a of a compound type layout. And here's a picture of the existing seagull suites in Kasa Grande. Just basically, uh, Mainstay Suites has 71 rooms on just shy of 2 acres and it was constructed in 2006. Ever Home is proposed to be 46 more rooms on a larger lot, but when comparing the two of those hotels to Seagull, there's 363 more rooms than what EverHome is proposing. It's on a much larger site. Um, and again, it's exterior accessed and it was approved and construction began in 2006, the same year as Mainstay. Mainstay has maintained the same name um and has been fairly consistent in terms of its appearance. Um whereas there there has been a lot of um opinion that seagull

has declined over time. Regarding the public notification, there was notice sent out to owners of property within 500 feet back in April um advising that this application had been submitted and it's under review. Uh we invited uh comments to be received. Due to the number of comments and the concerns that were expressed, there was a neighborhood meeting scheduled and that was held on May 29th. It was well attended with 24 people who signed in. There were probably more but didn't sign. Um and and there was just a lot of concerns expressed and you'll probably hear that this evening as well. Um and then on June 17th, the notice of this meeting was mailed. Um and then there was a sign posted on the site as well as a newspaper publication. And I had already highlighted some of the concerns, but again just um there this just captures the the bulk of the comments that were received. But staff does recommend that planning commission move to approve this. But subject to these four conditions um pertaining to a parcel split that would be required and that a map of dedication for Colorado Street would have to occur and then also the restrictions that I discussed regarding wall signage and freestanding signage. And I'd be happy to answer any questions. Jim, I have a question for you. Commissioners. Yep. I do. Um the south side of the property um where you can see that truck right there. Uh what kind of fencing are they thinking of back in

there? Because I I was by there today and um where all those trees are, there was probably 15 shopping carts and four tents of people living back there. So I'm just um Is that those trees are all part of that piece that would be going? I believe most of the trees are on the uh shopping center side, but there may be a few that cross over onto this um property proposed for development because they'll have some for a block wall back there, I'm assuming, between them and the parking lot of the the uh buildings to the south. So, the applicant is here and he can um talk about that. I I want to and I I should know that answer. Ordinarily, there is a six there would be a six foot block wall. Um but they can confirm that. Got it. Okay. Another question for Jim. Um the um illumination I think there was a some um statistics about what they're proposing for their lights. Can you tell us anything about that? Am I wrong or what? So, Mr. Chairman, they did provide a phototric plan and we do review that to ensure that it meets our light control standards. So, the the parking lot light poles would have to be shielded with full cut off um so that you can't see the light source and then any wall-mounted lights would have to have a shield on them. But the phototric plan did not show that there was um bleed of light onto adjacent properties. Yes. Question. Um on that property we over the year it's

obviously it's been vacant forever. Um in the last 10 years or so has there been any activity of any other type of uh somebody wanting to submit something from for that property like a like a church or like a whatever some of the other choices on the B2. Has there been any interest in that property at all? There was a probably about three or four years ago a pre-application meeting held with a colleague of mine um to pursue the possibility of developing that area for multifamily. Okay. But it didn't make it to an application submitt. Okay. Um, it was just it was more I don't even know if it was a quote unquote preapp, but a a discussion on the steps that would have to occur to entitle that property for a multifamily use. The infield lots are hard to get folks to make decisions on, especially in developing the second street off your main street. It's going to be a lot of Okay, thank you. Very good. I have a question, Jim. How tall is the the Moore building? Yeah, that's what I was going to ask. I had a feeling you were going to ask that and and even despite that, I didn't look it up. Um, you know, it's it's not 35 ft. I can tell you. Um, if if I had to just take a a shot in the dark, my guess is it's probably about between 20 and 24 feet. The it does have high ceilings in there. Okay. Thanks, Mr. Any questions for staff? Okay, seeing none, we'll go regular process with the applicant or their representative. Please come forward and address the commission. Please give us your name and address for the record. Good afternoon. Alex Feldman with Choice Hotels. Address is 915 Meeting Street, North Bethesda, Maryland 20852. Very good. Anything you'd like to

present to us? Uh well, we appreciate the commission's consideration. Um we put many many hours of uh research and work and and energy into this project. We're very enthusiastic about it. Um we think it'll be a wonderful addition to the community. Um we're very excited and look forward to moving towards next steps. Uh that said, I'm happy to answer any questions that you may have. So there's a question about the wall about the back the southside wall there by by the trees. What? So, it's going to go from parking lot parking spaces to the retention area to the wall and that's kind of the back. So, there's not currently a wall design for that back area. There is a little bit of an elevation change because there's some drainage that we have there. Um, that said, we do find with sites that typically have homeless problems. Once that we come in, start construction, people tend to clear out of these areas and especially once we open um our staff, number five to 10, depending on the day, regularly walk these areas, the whole hotel and the parking lot, uh they keep a tight eye on everything. It's part of their daily checklist. So, that's something we can track very closely. So, they where they turn in off of Colorado, then that's just going to be just something real small on the south side of where they turn in off the street to come into the property. Is this the south border between Southside? Southside still. Were they coming off of Colorado down there in the bottom lefthand corner? Yeah, there will just be uh I might have to tap in one of our engineers who's here, but I'm just I'm just curious what it's going to look like. I believe it'll just be a small patch of land, but he will confirm. Uh good evening, commissioners. Christopher Robbins, Doll Robins, and Associates, 1560 South Fume, Arizona. Thank you. Uh we're the civil engineer on the project. Uh along the south side of this project, it's about a 15 foot wide landscape retention basin. Okay. Uh, no wall, no requirement for a wall. I'm not sure what purpose it would serve, but I'm just wondering how it's going to flow into the parking lot. It should. Yes. Usually, we want to eliminate what's back there now. Right. And usually we find I don't know,

sometimes you install a wall and it becomes a canvas for graffiti. Yeah. So, that's why I'm Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. and uh uh quite a few or several conditions for approval and and presented to us. Are those all acceptable? They are. Good. Okay. I got a question. Yes, please. Can you um can you you know a lot of the contention is is the crime. Can you kind of explain some of your other products and whether you notice that happening um maybe in different areas of the state or different states? Does you know is that something that happens? Unfortunately, more and more recently, it's something we see more. Um to us, it's not a matter of if it happens, whether it's homeless or crime or any sorts of those things. Um it's really how we deal with it. um whether it's at a hotel or a Starbucks or a Panera these or Home Depot. These things tend to happen in public spaces like that where people are coming in and out. Um hotels more so especially sometimes um how we deal with the problem we have tight security at our property. Like I said we have people 24/7 that are on site during the day several more people than at night but the hotel is always staffed. Um we have interior exterior cameras so we can keep an eye on everything. uh person at the front desk who's there during the night will have their eye on that uh and access to that. Um and all of our uh exterior doors have locks on them so nobody can who shouldn't be there can come into uh the building. And then just one more question about the the folks that plan to use the hotel. Are they for there for typically long periods of time or are they three to six months or just kind of you know what do you typically see? Yeah, it's a mix. We're certainly an extended stay hotel, but we will People can come in, stay a night if they'd like to. Some

people can stay for weeks or months. We accept all sorts of guests. Okay. Yeah. Yes. Just out of curiosity, what was the appeal for this particular location? And did you consider any other alternative locations in Kasa Grande? Yeah, absolutely. We have a pretty rigorous site selection process. So we looked at uh just under a year trying to find other properties in the area to develop. Uh but the important things that it comes down to is um you know appropriate zoning uh and all the other various code and zoning uh requirements. Uh the site size and orientation works out for what we need um and somebody who owns the property that's willing to sell to us uh at a price that works for the project. Uh ultimately, uh we had a couple of deals that we worked on that we got in and out of contract, but eventually we settled on this site. Thank you, commissioners. Any other questions for the applicant? Yes. Um yes. So on the south end where the trees are right now that that do not butt your pro they butt the property but not on your property. We do have a homeless problem and they do I mean they do stay in that area plus like in the Lowe's area since that's not on your property there's nothing you could really do if even if you're canvasing correct even if I'm sorry that last even if you're canvasing the property if they're not we can monitor it it's not on our property I don't think legally there's anything that we could do about it but we would keep an eye on it if we saw some a crime being committed or something not looking good, we would alert the authorities even if it wasn't on our property. Okay. Okay. Any other questions for the

All right. Thank you. Thank you very much. So now I would like to open a uh public portion of the meeting for this item. Anybody that would like to address this issue, please come forward and keep your comments to three minutes. Please try not to repeat what somebody else has already said. Greatly appreciated. Hi, I just had a quick question. Give us your name and address, please. My name is Lorenda Alawita. I live at 1394 East 10th Place in Acacia Landing. Um when we had the meeting on May May 29th, we asked about security and they said that they wouldn't be providing security, but now they're saying they're going to have security. So I we just want a clarification of what the plan is for security. Okay, we'll we'll work on that. Thank you. Go ahead. My name's Abby Johnson. I own the home at 1359 East 9inth Place. I live there alone. The only thing separating me from this halfway house hotel is a five- foot wall. I feel endangered by it. I read their reviews on Ever Home Suites. Uh homeless people in the parking lot, drug deals, drug use, tons of calls for service. Their landmark in Corona, California has dropped their property values for three years since they put it up. It has never recovered. They're getting 17 police calls a day, every day, if not more. That's the minimum. It doesn't meet the architecture of our neighborhood at Acacia Landing. We all have clay tile roofs, southwestern colors. More importantly, most of us have onestory houses, some two a three-story

gargantuan building. The second and third floors are going to look directly into my yard, directly into my windows. I work at night. I have dogs. I'm in my backyard a lot. I feel that this is a danger to our safety. Uh the corporate whatever the guy that was just up here told us point blank they will not have security on site and did not give a lick about our safety concerns the last time we were here during public comments. I'm also concerned with all the breathing problems in our neighborhood. COPD, emphyma, asthma, you name it. That's going to put off their AC and HVAC is going to put off so much carbon dioxide and pollution into our neighborhood that we're going to breathe. Um, they actually Choice Hotels is the only major hotel chain that failed to try to meet net zero on their pollution goals. All the other chain hotels are driving at net zero. Choice Hotels is not. They also use more than eight times the water of the entire city. Their fans run constantly. And a three-story building does not belong 50 feet from my house. It does not. Especially with that clientele with 247 comingings and goings. a nice church, office building, doctor's office that belongs 50 feet from my yard. This does not. There are no other three-story buildings in eyesight. I can go stand on that lot, look in all directions. There's no hotels. There's no three-story buildings. The first one is Sunlife down by I 10 in Florence. That's where this type of facility belongs. where there's infrastructure,

restaurants, gas stations, there's nothing to offer here and there's nothing to benefit us. It would benefit the businesses that already cater to the hotels in the hotel zone. Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate your Good afternoon. My name is Beatatric Luick. I'm the owner of Rocks Real Estate and we represent the buyers on this project. Our address is 1923 North Tel Road in Kasa Grande. Dallas Giddens, the owner of uh Giddens Tire Pros, wrote a letter to the editor and he is unable to be here today, so he asked me if I would read this for the C uh for the commission. On July 3rd, there will be a meeting of the planning and zoning commission to discuss the proposed building on the corner of Colorado and 9inth Street. This is an amazing project that is much needed in our community. The extended stay hotel will bring a needed addition to the other similar facilities of Kasa Grande. I've watched this vacant land sit for the past 30 years and have seen how bad it looks when the unattended weed and vegetation growth gets out of hand. The property has trash buildup and unwanted homeless encampments come and go. The proposed building is a much better look than the back of a shopping center building directly south of the site. I have heard the opponent's arguments on traffic, prostitution, and noise. The fact that people could see in my backyard, there is an apartment complex on Colorado west of Acacia Landing, and the homes behind them outnumber the four to six homes that are on the culde-sac backing up to 9inth Street. We need this to go forward. It will help give future investors a positive look at the cooperation the city and community have for growth. I believe I am the only one

that has a commercial property close to this project and am in full support of this. Many of you forgot that this was here long before Acacia Landing and has been zoned for these kinds of projects. Lowe's is backed up to ninth also and has a lot of traffic come in off the road onto Pota. Accept this change and help Kasa Grande become the city we will always know that has our best interest in mind. I am progrowth for our community. Signed Dallas Giddens. I would al also like to address the comments about homeless people staying here. If you're there for 30 days, at $50 a night, it's $1,500 a month. Have you stayed in a $50 a night hotel? I doubt they exist. If you stay at a $100 hotel, it's $3,000 a night. Uh $3,000 a month. If it's 150 a night, it's $4500 a night. These are business professionals, contractors, construction workers who will be staying at this type of property while they're here on job assignments. They have the revenue resources. They are not homeless. They don't rent hotels by the hour for prostitution and drug activity. Thank you for your time and consideration. Thank you, M. Hi. Uh, I'm Sebastian Maxim. I live in 1379 East 9th Place, uh, Nacia Landing. Uh, I understand that when a city grows, the line between commercial and residential zones is often blurred. I don't believe this is a bad thing. In fact, I think it's fantastic. It encourages spending, provides people with easy access to jobs, creates potential youth, uh, creates potential for youth to have

activities other than stealing booze or getting high at the skate park, among other things. However, I think it's very important to consider what goes where. I find it troublesome and odd that we are putting one of these in the middle of town. I'm not a travel agent, but I don't think Kasa Grande is on anyone's list of places to go for a good time. For those of you who may disagree, when's the last time you knew someone who was frothing from the mouth at the prospect of going to see Neon Sign Park? We are a commuter town. If you don't believe me, we if you want to do anything reliably and immediately for fun, you have about three choices. We got Hikkins, a Peter Piper Pizza, and a bowling alley that's out of commission. Uh, all three of which can be found in other metropolitan areas. It's not going to attract snowbirds either, which would be a demographic for people to show up. Um, I think they would much rather live in 55 plus communities, and even if it did, I don't think we should encourage them. Our local businesses already struggle enough in the offseason and we should work towards obtaining more permanent residents to mitigate that. Beyond that, I don't think we should cater to an aging population that is, putting it bluntly, dying off with no clear replacement in the market. Going to a dumpy town in the middle of Arizona to escape the cold is becoming less and less appealing due to future generations, mostly due to the rise of home entertainment. Um, if you don't believe me, you can look at the way those industries skyrocketed during the COVID pandemic when everyone was stuck inside. The only options for potential customers are people who are working and individuals visiting their families along with people who are uh less fortunate. The only long-term

benefit that I can visualize for the city is squeezing more sales tax out of those who are down on their luck, which isn't very efficient. and hardly, if at all, addresses the problems that we face. Uh, in addition, it can, as it's been mentioned before, can encourage organized crime. Uh, while it's not the prime target for drug dealing, as it's a mid-range hotel, it is still a concern as Arizona frequently outperforms their neighbors in drug seizures. Um, also, uh, human trafficking is a concern. I'm running out of time. I'm sorry. I guess that's it. Uh, can I keep going? Just for a couple seconds. For a couple sec, just one paragraph. Um, most people believe they go their entire lives without seeing a crime, but the harsh reality is that it uh much of it occurs in plain sight. Many nonprofits and government agencies estimate that much and sometimes even majority of human trafficking occurs in hotels of all income levels. Um, obviously this is a concern considering the uh organized crime issues that Arizona faces and has faced for the last 40 or so years. Um, and that's it. Okay. Thank you. [Music] Uh, good evening chair, members of the commission. My name is James Stillwell. I live at 1479 East 11th Street in Acacia Landing, uh just steps away from the proposed site. I'm here tonight as a concerned neighbor asking for you to deny this request for an extended stay hotel uh that's adjacent to our residential community. Uh extended stay hotels are fundamentally different from trans uh traditional hotels. They often serve as temporary housing for transient guests, some staying for weeks or even months. This change in character brings with it

significant concerns, especially when placed next to a stable residential neighborhood like ours. Um, but let me be clear. I'm not opposed at all for development on this site. Uh, a traditional hotel, a well-managed apartment complex, either could be very well and appropriate uh on this property. But the extended stay hotel brings a very different set of impacts that are simply not compatible with the family oriented residential setting. U we don't have to speculate about that. Uh we have precedent. Um look at Seagull suits. Uh representative from Rocks who has a financial stake in this matter uh made made statements about Seagull. Um those same statements were made when Seagull was in front of this commission. Look what's happened. Despite the promises of the professional oversight, many of these properties become long-term problem areas, drawing frequent police activity, contributing to neighborhood decline. It's a real risk, and once built, it's incredibly difficult to reverse. We see that with Seagull. Safety and security are our top concerns. Uh our neighborhood is home to families, children, and retirees. Introducing a high turnover quasi residential commercial operation will strain the peaceful environment we've worked so hard to maintain. Uh traffic and congestion will inevitably rise especially during the off hours. Extended state facilities operate 247 with guests coming and going at all times of the day and night unlike your traditional apartments or hotels that tend to have more predictable patterns. And then finally as mentioned property values and neighborhood stability are on the line. Placing this type of development next to single family homes is inconsistent with good planning and it undermines long-term community investment. There are plenty of appropriate places

for extended state lodging in this city, but it's not next to homes, parks, and schools. Please stand with the residents who care deeply about our community. Please deny this request. Help us preserve the safety, character, and future of our neighborhood. Thank you for your time. Thank you. [Applause] [Music] Hi, my name is Jessica Stillwell. I live at 1479 East 11 Street in Acacia Landing. I apologize if my voice is a little quivering. I wasn't planning on speaking today. I was just going to listen. like the rest of my neighbors, I don't want this, but I was going to let them do the talking. There's something that really bothered me. This is going to be a seagull suits. We know that Seagull Suites had 375 calls in a year. They want to say, "Well, let's get it down to a percentage by room. It's less than other places." No. This is an area again with parks, children, schools. Do we want this many calls in our neighborhood? We have a person from Bethesda, Maryland coming to Cassagrant and admitting, "Yes, this will bring in crime. Not if, but when." If this is something you truly feel that we need in our town, invite it into your backyard. I don't believe Dallas lives in Acacia Landing. Invite it into his backyard. How many states, counties, cities between Bethesda, Maryland, and Cassagrand are there where it can go in their backyards where people want it? But we we don't want this. We don't want that chance. We don't want to hear it won't be an if or a when. We say no. No when. Thank you. Thank you.

Good evening, Mr. Chairman, commissioners. Um, my name is Craig McFarland. I live at 152 West Auburn Sky Court here in Cascade. And I've been in your position on many of these types of hearings. And I'm here to to advise you that this is really an application for a main for a major site plan. And what the city needs and what the community needs is some of these long-term stay locations. We have a a landowner who wants to sell. We have a developer who wants to build in a piece of dirt that's been sitting there for 30 years. It's in the correct spot. It's in the right land use. It It's zoned properly. We have 2500 employees at Lucid. I can't find place to stay. We have 500 more coming with the next million square foot of warehouse that they're building that they have started construction for their smaller sedan. So with that, with Coler, with all of the industry we have here in Kasagande, we need places for people to stay. Now we have a lot of apartments that have come online, and this is a short-term stay location. It's zoned properly. It'll clean up that whole backside. And I believe that the lighting and the activity will eliminate the homeless activity that's going on over there now, which is a problem. We have a homeless issue here in Cascadante. Um Mark knows about it as much as any of us in terms of of the things that I have personally tried to do in terms of that issue. And so I would ask you uh to approve this. Uh I

am in support of it and I'm here to ask for your approval. Thank you. Thank you. Good evening everyone. Good evening. I live at 1374 East 10th Place. I've been there for 23 years. Both my girls were born in that community. That's all they know. We stayed before it because it was quiet, because it was safe. What's coming to the community? What I'm going to ask everyone here that has children. If you want what this um the uh what they're bringing to the community, if you think it's going to help your children, it's going to bring crime. It's going to bring everything that everyone has said here. I'm standing here to say no to this project. Thank you. Thank you. [Applause] [Music] [Applause] Good evening. My name is Danielle Deli. I live at 1322 East 12th Street in Acacia Landing. I'm also opposed to this. Um, but I'd also like to point out that um, the representative that's here said that they considered other sites, but when we were here on the on May 29th, I asked him specifically if they had looked at other sites and he told me no. Um, that this was basically the the best financial option and that's what they went with. So, if he's now been dishonest about two issues, um I just would question what else they'll be

dishonest about after the project is complete. Thank you. Thank you. [Applause] Hi, my name is Matt Harrington, uh 308 East Wy Way, Kasa Grande. Um I'm here on behalf of the owner. um he does live out of state so he's not able to attend but he's owned this land since 2005 and one of the primary reasons he purchased it was because of the zoning and he sat on it for many many years he went under contract with the applicant in November of 2024 and it's been a long what eight months but the primary reason he did it was because of the zoning and the use the permitted use that was coming hotels. So for him to somewhat be denied for this, what does that s signal to other investors or land owners that have have a certain zoning and it were to be denied? So I just ask that you look at what's permitted as far as the city codes and accept this for the both sides. Thank you. Thank you, M. Hello. Excuse me. My name is Melinda Ray Burroughs. I live at 9:30 North Hillary Court um in Aash Acacia Landing and I've lived there since 2008. Um I'd like to visit today a little bit about um a lot we've heard a lot about the land use the land use but as I understand it that the land use and the business coming in cannot jeopardize or negatively affect the property values of

the existing community um the flagship Corona California um and I've provided tons of graphics and also studies to show what I'm speaking of right now. Um, Corona, California, their crime rate went through the roof. The property was an existing building and it had zero to little crime rate, which you can see on the photos that I've provided. Um, when Evermore took it over, it went from having basically zero crime rate to, as somebody else had already set up, 17 calls a day. This is the only community that we could find that buted up against an actual community rather than out on the freeway. Um those neighborhoods took a nose dive. You can check on Zello. I've also provided the graphics. Um from the time that the Evermore open, it just sunk. Some of those have still not recovered. Most of them have not recovered. um the crime rate, the property values of having it right there have negatively affect that entire area because it only opened in 2022 and this is a relatively new product for them. That's the information that we have to go on. Um so that's what we did. I called the Glendel Evermore today and I know somebody had said it's going to be $3,000 a month. No, it isn't. They're renting it out at $1,950 a month. I believe it is. Let me double check that. Um, which is still a lot of money. Okay. However, the oversaturation of vacant apartment units and uh units in Cassagran is going to leave this project probably completely vacant for a very long time because their 1,900 a month um is versing Seagull Suites which was I'm wanting to say it was

it was 11.90 I think and there's open units at Seagull Suites right now. So, if anybody is going to need an extended stay, they're going to choose the lower option. They're going to choose the seagull suites. Um, and all this vacant land is really causing an issue with everybody's property values, not just us in aacial landing. The more property that we have that's vacant. Everybody's property values are lowering. This is not a good idea for this specific um at this specific time. And I realize that they've had this property for 30 years. I honestly I bought knowing that that's commercial property and we don't want the crime and it will negatively affect us and I think that's something you guys should consider. Thank you for your time. Thank you. Hello Kelly Harrington 308 East Wy Way Caster Grand. I just want to put a personal perspective as um when I was growing up, I moved and lived in six different states from the time I was born until high school. And there were some times when my dad got transferred for his job. We had to stay in extended stays because our house wasn't ready or we were still looking for a house. And so not all these people that you think are going to stay in an extended stay are bad. They are families. They are people who work. And I think there's this negative connotate annotation that I wouldn't want to stay in a seagull suit. So yeah, our family would pick probably a more safe option this near a neighborhood, near a Lowe's, near things like that nature. And I think this will attract a higher caliber of person and families. And I I think the fear there's that fear-monger, but I do believe that

their intent is to attract a higher cal caliber person. Um, so I just wanted to point that out as someone who has stayed in these growing up. Um, you want to pick the one that's a little bit better. And I I think that this is good for our community. And that's all I have to say. Thank you. Thank you. Anyone else? Great. Thank you. Hello, my name is Simone Sierre Maxum. I live at 1379 East 9th Place. Um, my I I've been there since 2005. So, I've original owner of the home in the community. You know, we have my primary concern is of course crime. Yes. what it'll eventually draw. And it it's like someone else had uh previously said, it's not a matter of um you know, it's a matter of when it will happen, you know, and of course there's good people that stay in places like that and there's bad people too that don't make good choices. My primary concern would be the crime that it possibly would bring. But my number one concern would be children that are quite a few of them walk down um 9inth Street to go home from school and and to school in the morning. So, uh Grand Innovations Academy, as you know, is right down the street on um Kurt Road, right behind Home Depot there. And there's a large number of students that live in Acacia Landing. So, all it takes is one child. I I worked at Belago Middle School for 10 years and um all it takes is one child to be afflicted by trafficking or crime or drugs or or whatever that may be, you know, and that could be anybody in

anywhere in any community, but places like that are um they're known to attract negative crowds. So that that would be a concern is imagine if it was your child or someone you loved that was affected by something like that from a community that that is in your neighborhood. So all right that's all I have. Thank you. Thank you. [Applause] Good evening. Uh, my name is Bill Maxim. I live at 1379 East 9th Place. Somebody mentioned intent that their intent is to not allow crime or not have crime or whatever it is. I get that. That's intent. It's not reality. Somebody mentioned price. $50 a night, $100 a night, $150 a night. Great. It's a lot of money. Not the drug cartels, which is what's probably going to end up being there. Not necessarily the the drug cartels, but the people they work for who work for them. I get it. People come through town and they stay here for Lucid or for whatever or anything like that, then put it by Lucid. If that's what you're worried about, if that's what you think this is going to do, put a extended stay hotel by Lucida, you know, put it there. That way they don't have to drive to work. Two two great things. One, they have a place to stay. Two, it saves the environment a little bit more because you're not driving 20 miles to go to work. You know, I I don't

I don't envy your position. Um, I know you guys have to make hard decisions and you have to listen to the community complain about what you guys are trying to do to improve the community. I understand that. I just hope that you stop and think about how it would affect your life if it was in your backyard or your children. I have lived in my home for 20 years. Uh my wife, who just spoke, moved in there uh in uh 2005 while I was deployed, and that's the only home my sons have ever known. I have 22-year-old twin boys. They moved there. She she moved with them when they were about 18 months old. That's the only home they've known. Everyone in this room has a financial stake. At least back here, has a financial stake. Not just the hotel, not choice hotels or anything like that or rocks. We all have a financial stake because of the property value, because of the crime, because of this or because of that or whatever it is. We don't have enough police force as it is to take care of the city of Kasagrant. Why would we want to invite more crime to a quiet nice neighborhood? I moved here from Phoenix 20 years ago and bought a house in Kasa Grand because I like the community. It was quiet. It was a bedroom community, whatever you want to call it. It was a nice family town. I don't understand why we would even consider inviting what could potentially be a major crime area or crime place. Not intent, but potential. Thank you very much. Thank you. Anybody [Applause]

else like to address this issue? Appreciate hearing from you. Okay, seeing none, I'll close the public portion for this item and bring it back to the commission. Yes, sir. I just have a quick question for staff. I don't know if they're so come January, this commission will not be hearing major site plans anymore. Correct. In compliance with ARS. Yes, Mr. Chairman, members of the commission, uh staff is currently working on a code revision based on new state law that was signed by the governor. Actually, you're to be hearing about it in August. Okay. But you're you're that's true with if you have existing zoning in place, site plans will become um be reviewed administratively. Okay. As opposed to going before the commission. All right. Thank you. So, kind of going on top of that, I was just going to say explain. Uh well, I guess if if if you want to have it explained first, if you could explain it. Yeah, please explain it. No. she the state law recently changed and we have until the end of the year to update our codes. Right. Currently, city of Kasagran uh requires a major site plan to go before the planning and zoning commission for approval. The state has passed a law saying that site plans shall be uh reviewed and approved administratively by staff essentially. Okay, I need that. Okay, I thought I missed something. And so I understand that a lot of people see that as the state kind of taking power out of the community's hand and their ability to comment on things. Um, but I think this

case really provides a good example as to why the state did that because this property owner has B2 zoning. They are permitted to do the hotel use. They don't have a it's not a conditional use. They are permitted by right to do that use as long as they meet all the standards of our code. They are currently showing they meet all the standards of our code. Our process currently, it created those neighborhood meetings and things like that as part of a major site plan and for it to come before us to kind of provide additional comment to get something that's closer to working with that neighborhood. Um, I think staff has already done a really great job of ensuring that those additional conditions that they're requiring make this more compatible with the neighborhood. And then additionally, what the applicants already proposing as far as the landscaping and everything like that, uh, it's going to provide a pretty good screen. Obviously, that stuff's going to take a while to grow because it's their plants. U, but it once they do grow, they'll they'll provide a pretty good screen for a 35 foot tall building. Um, and so since they are currently entitled to that and they're we're only hearing a major site plan, we are very limited in our scope as to what we can do and our decision cannot be considered arbitrary and capriccious because if it is the property owner can challenge it. Obviously, they would have to appeal it to city council. And then if city council were to deny it, then they can challenge it legally and go in front of a judge and say, "This commission or this council made a decision that was arbitrary and capriccious and took from me." And so what that would be, we would be taking it'd be a violation of their fifth amendment right. It'd be a takings on them. We are taking something the permitted use that they're already currently allowed to do. We are taking that right from them with no just compensation. And so that's kind of where we're at right now. Were we to deny a site plan and then it'd be appealed to council and they deny that, we would be taking something from a property owner. This property owner

currently has the right to do a hotel on this property as long as they meet all of the standards of our code. They currently are showing they're meeting all of those standards of the code. We are very limited in deny in in our ability to deny this because we're not talking about the use. We're talking about the site plan. The use has already been determined as appropriate based on the zone. And so that's we're we're looking solely at the physical design of this. So if there's anything additional that I think this commission could look at, I would love to hear it as to how we can make this site better. But as far as the use, we're we're very limited. And so I'll leave it there. Great. Thank you. That is your opinion. Yeah. They don't own it right now. I mean, it's for sale, but the property owner has B2 zoning. He does, but there's a lot of there's a lot of other things in that zoning that he can do with that property, not just hotels, but he wants to do that. Yeah, but there there's an absolute reason that there is a public process today and I would hope that the city considers the fact that they should incorporate some sort of ordinance to provide that same public process moving forward. 100%. Could could Mark weigh in on this? What's what's the question? Whether whether it would if we were to deny something and this even council a property owner would have the ability to go to a judge to appeal our decision because they believe a they their property there was a takings. Well, if you guys deny it, they could appeal to to city council and then if city council denies it, then yes, they

could take it to a court. if our reason is baseless. Correct. But they could I mean people can sue for anything. Yeah. Right. Okay. Okay. Thank you. That's Yeah. I'm just I'm trying to provide the other side. Okay. Well, you're on. This is your job. I'm just it's really unfortunate that Seagull has ruined the extended stay, you know, situation for the city because had they not been there, had we not seen the crime numbers, that just really bothers folks. And I have a real hard time with the fact that we have a lot of public comment and a lot of people in the community that don't feel like this product fits this location. So, and I think that there's absolutely, you know, I'm if it were a multif family product, if it were apartments, it makes perfect sense, but it just doesn't fit in this location. It doesn't fit. I was It doesn't It just doesn't fit. I don't see why you would want a hotel behind. Normally, they face major arterial roads or by the freeway. This doesn't make sense where they're putting it at all. I don't get it. I just don't get it. It doesn't make sense to me. Okay. Thank you. The cheapest option. Okay. That one. Yeah. And you know, it it may not make sense, but the property owner is that's that's what they're choosing to do with their property. The property owner has a right to do that with their property. And if we were to to line item their permitted uses and say, "No, you can't do this one." It's still takings. And so that's where even though they are other permitted uses, we can't permit them from not doing a permitted use.

Okay. Thank you. And that's your I mean that's your opinion. I you know back Jim. Can you bring up the other uses that could be done on the property in B2 zone? There. There they are. They're not lining up to do it. They they are lining up to do it, but it doesn't. So, but even if they're not lining up to do it, I mean, there's still extra space, you know, just east of the place that, you know, of this property and do we really need a three-story building right here? I mean, it's going to overlook the other building like more. It just doesn't make s. It's a good concept. It just doesn't make sense at this spot. In this spot, it doesn't any sense at all. It's a, you know, the roads like if it was by where Texas Roadhouse is, whatever hotel that is, that's two lanes each way. It has perfect incoming and outgoing access to Florence, to the highway, everything. I don't get this at all. There's no good access to to leave, you know? I It doesn't make any sense at all to me. Okay, good. Did you want to say something? I did. No, I've I've seen do a lot of traveling and I've seen a lot of developments like this on the secondary street behind the main street. It starts somewhere and that's that's what happens. The secondary street get starts develop. So, um I don't have a problem with it personally. I just wish it was something else. Go ahead. I just wish it was something else. That's all. Oh yeah, even apartments because there's town, you know, those forplexes across the street that would be compatible. Um, and there's a school down the street.

It's just very busy. Just not not to mention that the road floods. You know, it does. The water flows down Colorado and there's no consideration for the fact that drainage is a problem. So there's two large basins on the site. Okay. So it deals with theirs, which is what they're required to retention, but not they can't solve the city problems. That's the city's problem. We can't require a developer to do that. No. True. Yeah, but they should be collecting their half streak, too. Well, they are making improvements, right? They're dedicating that additional I from the planner's perspective. I'm just trying to get your point then his point. Um just just if we're interrupting each other, we can't hear each other. That's all I'm Yes. So I think you know how I feel good with that. Yes. Yeah. Yes. Question question. In regards to the actual zoning, the B2 zoning, it had hotels listed any kind of hotel. Yes. So there in lies the problem. Right. 100%. That that's what needs to be corrected. How would we get that corrected or who makes that decision? We can't because that's part of being not not us. I'm just saying who. So if you're asking if the city can go about right the city the council would have to I mean I but you ask Mark to change the definitions within the Yeah. If a text amendment to the code would have to run through the process as any other text amendment does which it would come to you guys first. You would provide a recommendation to council and council would ultimately approve any text amendments that are provided to them. So if you wanted to change, you know, if if we were to change definitions, things like that, that would be the process. Okay. Thank you. So that's what really needs to happen. Eliminate this going in the future. Okay.

And I I'll jump on that. Go ahead, G. And I can I I don't think that'll ever happen. Mainly because if the city were to amend our code and remove a use that people are already entitled to again that's a it's a takings. We can't just amend our zoning code and remove a use from a zone that you already have. You have that zone. It's part of the code. You are entitled to that use. The only way you can give that up is if you consent to that. And so a property owner with B2, why if you have a use permitted, why would you ever consent to the city taking that away from you? It would devalue your property. And so it wouldn't make any sense for a property owner with B2 zoning to consent to the city taking away a use from them. And so I don't see an amendment to the code like that ever happening just because I don't I don't see any property owner willingly giving up value. I don't think that's the question before us at this point. Yeah, definitely. you know, it's an interesting discussion. Um, but uh, right now, right now we have the code in front of us and it allows it and so and we have this request in front of us. So, I don't want to, you know, I don't want to squaltch the discussion about this. I want to hear what your thoughts are and and everybody's thoughts are on on this. I'm still a believer that somebody has a piece of property, they have a right to sell that piece of property as long as it follows the codes that are set forth in front of the city. And we have to go along with those codes uh as a commission. And we also have a duty to sit and

listen to public comments also and take into consideration their feelings and after the fact then collectively we will make a decision based on I don't want u your personal feelings or just your personal feelings to enter into it. um we're guided by these guidelines and I think that's what we have to follow. So, uh 30 years this this place has been sitting vacant as a dirt lot and uh there's an opportunity here to um functionalize that empty lot whereas city is going to get tax income from it. and uh a lot of speculation on will there be a lot of crime in that area. That's still strictly strictly speculation. Okay. Okay. Thank you. That's it. I'm good. Okay. We're all good. All right. Guess what I need? Guess what our next step is, commissioners? Sure. I'd like to make a motion. Be great. I would like to make a motion to approve major site plan for Ever Home Suites DSA 25007 with the uh attached conditions. Okay, I'll second that. Peter second. Mark Mark. Okay. Second. Okay. Any other discussion on the motion? Okay. None. Please call the RO. Member

Smith. No. Member Alderret. I. Member Vanderhden. Yes. Member Huard. No. Member Peters. I. Vice Chair Garza. No. Chairman Benedict. Seriously. Yep. been a lot of good discussion on this um on this issue and um a lot of good concerns, a lot of good concerns about what the usage what might happen with this usage and Um, but it's been pointed out and it's something that I've always um talked about that you can do with your property what you would like to do as long as it fits we set up these rules. As long as it fits these rules, then you need to be able to do what you need to do with your property. With that, I vote yes. passes. We vote for you guys, not people who come and buy and sell our property. You guys res one more time. Come on. Yeah. All right, we're going to take five

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Boulevard and North Emerllo Street. Uh here I have a quick overview of the preliminary site plan. Um I want to be upfront and say that this is a conditional use permit. It also has a minor site plan. Minor site plans are generally uh reviewed and uh approved administratively. Um, so that is still in the process, but tonight I'm here for the conditional use permit. Uh, quick overview. The proposed project consists of the development of a new Wii Snissell restaurant on a portion of the property located at 1150 East Florence Boulevard. This property is zoned B2. And in the B2 zone district, convenience food restaurants require an approved conditional use permit. A condition uh convenience food restaurant is generally defined as a restaurant whose primary primary source of service is take and go. So this is your fast food restaurants. Um anything that you kind of order at the counter and take out to eat with you. Uh the architectural design that they are proposing will reflect Winter Snit's modern prototype. Uh we will not be getting one of the big yellow barn looking ones unfortunately. uh with a complimenting the surrounding commercial developments along Florence Boulevard. Um and here's what that's going to look like. So the uh image on the top that will be the side facing Florence Boulevard. Um the bottom issue will be the facing into the parking lot. Um they have offered to provide a comprehensive landscape plan as part of their minor site plan and it will feature low water use desert adapted plants, decorative ground cover, shade trees um and water conservation practices. Uh this landscaping will be placed along the perimeter, the parking lot and around the building to soften

the build environment. Uh the city is also asking for approximately 22 feet I apologize 22 feet of rideway along Florence Boulevard um that they are currently willing to dedicate. Um so here is where this location will be. Uh the street running north there is Amarillo. The street across the bottom east and west is going to be Florence Boulevard. Um here it is from another angle. Uh we're really getting a lot of use out of our our new drone. So I appreciate that. Um and here it is looking south. Um so you've seen these so many times. Conformance with city code. Here's our five criteria for a conditional use permit. Um I will go into a couple of these in more detail. Um but quickly staff has reviewed this and has found that um all these criteria have been met. But I do want to focus on a couple. Um so I will focus on criterias one, two, and four. Uh that first one's going to be that the site is proposed that the site for the proposed use is adequate in size and topography to accommodate the use and that all yard spaces, walls, fences, parking, loading, and landscaping are adequate to properly relate. I hit the right button. So this site is proposed uh or the proposed site is zone B2. uh general commercial use. Uh it's quick service convenience food restaurant is a permitted use in B2 zones as long as they have an approved conditional use permit. Uh the site meets the required requirements for lot size. Uh the building location meets all setback requirements. The proposed location um the applicant is proposing a comprehensive landscape plan. Uh there is sufficient parking on site and there is an access agreement um with the surrounding land owner. Um so they

will have access to that additional parking if it should be needed. Um there is a shared access agreement uh with the joining party that I just said that. Okay. The proposed restaurant will fit in with the character of the surrounding area. Um that part of Florence is commercial. There's already a food city. There's other dining. I think the um Jack in the Box is on the opposite corner. Um so this is kind of this is where those things go. The restaurant will provide additional options for the Kasa Grande community. I think Kasa Grand's got a great food network. We've got a lot of different places and um I think it'd be nice to have a little bit more variety. The proposed location is greater than 50 ft from a residential zone boundary. Um that is one of the conditions that need to be met for a fast food restaurant is that it must be at least 50 ft from a residential zone boundary. Uh this is right in the heart of D2. That's not a concern. Um as for our second point and I think this is going to be more contentious than the first um is traffic. So that the site is the site for the proposed use relates to streets and highways adequate in width and pavement type to carry the quantity and kind of traffic generated by the proposed use. And on its surface the streets are fine. Um I will get to uh the concern here momentarily. Um so as part of my review I looked at the trip generation letter that was provided by the applicants uh traffic engineer firm. Um, and what they found was that the proposed development is anticipated to generate 797 daily trips. So, it is going to increase the number of trips on Florence and in that area. Uh, they're looking at 75 a.m. peak hour trips and 49 p.m. hour trips, peak hour trips

during the average weekday. Um, so AM and PM. Uh this restaurant will not provide breakfast service and therefore it is not planned to generate a significant amount of morning peak hour traffic. So because there's no breakfast, it's not going to interfere with that morning commute. Um and it should be noted that the peak hour of generator volumes will likely coincide with lower adjacent arterial traffic volumes than would be experienced during the peak hour. And what I believe this is saying is that your peak and morning travel, your commuter traffic isn't overlapping with your lunch and dinner crowds. Um so that keeps and what the traffic report or the the trip generator letter um that they provided their conclusion was that based on the anticipated traffic volumes for the Bose development and the fact that the morning peak hour trips are negligible no no significant impact is anticipated therefore they are recommended no changes or improvements um so that is where uh planning staff has um used for their or that's what I have used for uh that review criter criteria. Um so in here is that we snitle proposed location. Um you can see uh the intersection of Earillo and Florence. If I can get my pointer option. So the access to the wiener snell that they are proposing is here on this south end and it is undesirably close to the corner. Um the other two accesses that would be possibly available to them. Uh there's the access easement agreement that would allow them to use this one here. Um as this whole lot, and I don't have that in front of me right now, but I I will have

that here shortly. But the larger lot was split to sell off a portion to the Weiner Snitle Group. Um they were part of that sale was access to the south um access drive um and an easement for the access drive to the north. Um and then the fourth um issue that I wanted to look at is that the proposed use shall be in conformance with the general plan um and the 2030 general plan site design standards can be found um in the non-residential specific development standard section of the community corridor chapter. Uh so here's that uh image again. You can see our proposed site uh various retail and services with food cities there. We've got the Jack in the Box. Uh we've got a new fitness uh proposed to go in and the hobby lobby is up and running. Um so the uh general plan asked to encourage a variety of uses on a single site both horizontally and vertically and you can see here that we are including multiple uses with the various retail. We'll have more dining um so it is meeting that first standard. um that the usage should place adjacent to arterial and collector roadways, promote visibility for businesses and to encourage transition to surrounding residential areas. Florence is a minor arterial and I believe Amarillo is a collector and I can be corrected if that is incorrect. So it is at the intersection of a collector and um an arterial road there. Uh encourage encourage shared parking facilities between the buildings and uses. We've got that shared parking arrangement. Um, so that is being done as well. I encourage pedestrian, bicyclist, and vehicle access into and between uses and parcels to decrease congestions and promotion. Um, it's hard to see in this image, but there will be some uh

sidewalk cutouts and walk paths that they will be creating as part of their site plan. Um, and provide for this same thing for the bicycle access, surrounding neighborhoods, and residential uses. This is quite a distance from a residential use. So, this doesn't quite apply near as much. Um, and then encourage use of appropriate open space including plazas, gardens, courtyards, and other pedestrian areas. Um, they are providing a largerish open uh landscaped area here on the east side of their building. Um, they will have a dining area and I know that's not directly for the public um but it's more than we get with some of our um establishments. And then uh encourage open space to be visible from the city streets. Um this is going to be pretty up front and center next to Florence. Um so that will be visible. Um and then quickly the public notification process that is required was met. Um I think right now I'm going to go ahead and do this part. staff recommend the planning commission approve the conditional use permit and associated resolution DSA250062 for a convenience food restaurant or weer snitle located at 1150 East Florence Boulevard near the northeast corner East Florence Boulevard and North Emerill Street with the following condition that any site plan for this development shall meet all departmental requirements addressed through the minor site plan review process. Um, this is a conditional use permit and while it is intended to make sure that this use is adequate and meets the requirements of the surrounding neighborhood, um, the conditional use permit is is a lot like asking can we, whereas the minor site plan is more this is how we're going to do it. Um so at this time um that is

staff's recommendation and I would be happy to answer any questions. Oh staff I did staff did not receive any inquiries or comments about this proposal from the public. Um there was some comments that are brought up um by commission but I wanted to address them here. Um so that did happen. Okay. questions. Sam J, I have a question. Sam, um, the Florence Boulevard streetscape project, is this a location that there will be a raised median? So, yes, as I understand my communication with Clark um, about two or three months back when we discussed the southern access drive, which is contentious, and I think uh, public works is going to talk on that tonight as well, and I'm going to give them their place to do that. Um but yes, when the Florence Boulevard project comes through here, they will get a raised medium median which will prevent any left turns into this location. Um, and now that you've brought that up, I didn't specify too much, but the 25 or 22 feet of rightway dedication um, is our first step into getting that ride of way dedicated to the city so that as we start to procure those easements, um, this one is uh, maybe one of the first ones on the list. So, I'm happy to say that um they're currently okay promising to So, it's contentious with the applicant, not necessarily. Uh well, they're not completely agreeing. Well, I guess we'll hear from them. So, let's My applicant did not make it here tonight, so we will unfortunately not be hearing from them directly. Um, but I

can say that uh their concerns are that that south access would be the only access that is on a property that they own and to have them remove that and put a sidewalk across it. they would then be subject to two other property owners. Um, which is not always the best place to be in as well as with the flow with the flow coming into the drive here. um to pull their access from up north, move that traffic down, and then through their drive-thru um would not be ideal for them in their opinion. Um I can understand if I've got to go to a restaurant that's right on Florence, but I got to drive half a block up, then drive half a block through a parking lot, get my food, drive half a block back up, and then half a block back down to Florence. I'm going to eat somewhere else. And I think that may be their concern. Um I don't want to speak for them but I think in general um that and not having now they do have a shared access agreement that shared access agreement does require now between them and the the legal people who sold those properties does require that the wiener snitle keeps that access open and maintained. So if we do something different I don't know what that would look like on their end. that's for lawyers and but so yes, my applicant does have concerns. Um, and that's what those are. And I wasn't trying to sugarcoat them or move through them. I just knew that this was going to be a discussion and I wasn't sure how deep into it we needed to get. But, uh, I do have information. I will answer questions and like I said, I I know that public works. Okay.

Talk to us. Yeah. Can we hear from Dwayne? I just want to hear from public works. Okay. I want to clarify a few things that uh Sam said. One is Force P Florence Boulevard is a principal arterial. The peak traffic time is lunchtime on Florence Boulevard. And of course he was correct that uh Amarillo was a collector. And what we're suggesting is because of all the traffic on Florence Boulevard or busiest street in town that that driveway is not in a good spot, doesn't meet our access management standards. We were suggesting they get a driveway off of Amarillo and come in that way. And I can't believe that little bit of space should concern him that much about going going up street a little bit, making a turn and coming in the other way, considering the amount of safety issues with that driveway on Florence Boulevard. Is that drive already in place? Yes, it is. Yeah, you can take it. So Dwayne, what you're saying is when they come through with their minor site plan, you're you're going to close that driveway that's off Florence. You would like them to? That's what we would like to do. Yes. Okay. But they'll still be able to go down Amarillo and into Yes. I mean, they'd have to build a new driveway there, but if they want one closer, we have no problem with them building a driveway in between where that existing one on the north is and Florence Boulevard. Do they, Sam, do they own that space between the green line and the red line? No. Okay.

So, Dwayne, uh, correct me. The spacing for the access is a/4 mile on a primary arterial. Yes, full access on on a principal arterial is a quarter mile. Okay. So on the screen here, that red line is the distance from that intersection that a quarter mile would look like. We understand that we can't always meet the quarter mile access in our standards. There is a statement that the traffic engineer can make changes to that if it makes sense. So, nobody's asking for them to get access quarter mile away. All we're asking is close a one on Forest Boulevard and put it on Amarillo. Sounds chair. Yeah. Good. Get to discussion. Yeah. And yes, we will be building a raised median when we do the streetscape project. And will Amarillo have any no access right right in right out on Amarillo in the future? We haven't got that far yet. We're just in the process of putting out an RFQ to hire a designer designer. And so we although we do have a design concept report, it doesn't get into those kind of details yet. Got it. Thanks. Okay. And when is this going to be happening the street? This is the this is the second phase once they begin. This is like the 15-year plan like we'll probably get here in 15 years. Yeah. So, probably never. Okay. Yeah. So, we're starting the Forest Boulevard tree project. It's a progressive design build project. We

should have it completed. I would say within five years. The whole all of Lawrence. I thought they said 15 years. No, between five. Well, this part, five years from this, we're starting out with the six lane from Hennis to I 10. That's a few years away. Then this is the second portion of it. And most of this isn't widening the roadway or anything. It's putting a raised median down and then a bunch of landscaping and things on the edges. Oh, I was I would I would say between five and 10 years at 10 at the mo most we'd be done here. The 15-year part was way downtown in the TKLE to panel area, but even that should go quicker with our progressive design build. Okay. Okay. Okay. So, they only own what? What's gray right here? Nothing else. Yep. That's my impression. Right. The red circle. The red square. Circle. or whatever. So yes, this red square here is the property owned by Winter Snitle. The green square is the larger portion that that was um split from. Okay. The red triangles here are the various accesses on the north side there of Florence. Okay. Okay. Anything else? Okay. Seeing none. Okay, the applicant's not here. So, the applicant or their representative. All right. So, anybody from the public like to address this issue? Please come forward.

Good evening again, council. Hi. Um, Nancy Wood, 513 Speckle Road, Cas Grand, Arizona. Uh, I just want to make a I love Weiner still. It's not not the issue. And I It's actually a kind of a nice location for them to do. Um, can you pull that mic down just a little bit? The The only thing I wanted to make a comment on, and again, he's kind of already addressed they've the issue with traffic. um all that section uh on Florence Boulevard with um Food City, Cal Ranch, all the because it's the older development of how they put the roads in and where they put the driveway accesses and things and a lot of those driveways that access into these storefronts are problematic because they're not designed very well and they're pretty rough and a lot of the traffic that's turning into like Food City to go to their uh they slow down extremely slow because the entryways into these storefronts are really not designed very well. So adding more traffic to those locations, it just really creates a nightmare for traffic. And um again, you know, I know they want to have people to be able to turn in right to their their uh business, but I I wish there was some way of talking with the de the land owners like Food City and the places like this that they could get in and develop um a right turn only uh to get into these locations that uh they they've got open space for parking. So, one of the things that could be solving some of the issues to getting

into weir snitel and food city is if they would make a a right turn only section to get into both of them and then shut off that one uh access in front of snitle and it would solve multiple problems. So, you know, take a little bit of that parking space and turn it turn a right lane only in. so people can get off Florence Boulevard and turn into the the businesses and it would be more safe for everybody. So, I don't know. It would be talking to businesses. I know that. But that would be the the thing that I think would be the most helpful for getting wiener stencil in here. Thanks. All right. Thank you. Anybody else from the public like to address this issue? Seeing none, I'll close the public portion of the meeting and bring it back to commission. Commissioners, I'll just say I'm in agreeance with public works and I think as part of the conditional use, we should require the closure of that at South Southern access point. Mainly because when I look at our access goals of access management and our access management standards, bullet points two and three, general guidance regarding access management with respect to the city's roadway network uh follows. seek to employ the principles, practices, and techniques of access management early in the site plan review process to asssure potential changes in access are fully evaluated and provide a means for initiating changes to improve existing access conditions. This site very much meets that. Two, focus on obvious access control situations that represent or have demonstrated qualities of unsafe traffic operations such as stripped commercial areas where driveways are a frequent occurrence. And so Sam, if you went back to that photo of all the driveways that you're pointing out, you got two just for the Jack in the Box on Florence, one for the food city and then one for this site,

all between PBLO and Amaro Street. And so that you have four right there. That's just too many. Like it's it's going to cause an accident, especially when you start putting in another use that is not proposing to do indoor dining, but they're they're planning to use a drive-thru, which means they're going to use a lot of drive-thru traffic. And so that means a lot more people coming through there with vehicles. And so that third access, it may not be used currently a lot right now because there's not a whole lot there. You'd rather use that center one and go to the food city. But you put something there like this, it's going to increase the use of that that access point. And so it's going to create more potential changes uh or more potential for unsafe traffic movements. Uh and so that's where I'm in complete agreeance that we need to close that. And it it's also part of our general plan. When you look at the Florence East neighborhood strategy area or strategic area, it talks about the area between Potty Bomb and I can't remember the TKO maybe a little bit further. Uh but it it talks about the blight of this area and the need to redevelop it. And so through this this use they're asking to do something. We should look to redevelop this and make sure that it's safe access and it's an attractive use and it's not going to cause problems. And so that's where I think we we need to require the closure of that southern access as part of the conditional use permit. Okay. I guess my only challenge with that is we as a city are going to do changes and so I'm going to force them to do one thing and then city's going to come change to something else. I I I don't know what that change is going to be, but that's just my only challenge. What do you what do you mean by changes? We're changing the streetscape. We're changing the sidewalks. We're changing the you know what are we what all are we doing? I don't know what those are. That's all I'm saying is I don't know what they Yeah. But whether it's closed

or not is those changes are going to occur whether it's closed or not closed. And so if it were to remain open, those changes are going to come through. Traffic or the sidewalk's going to be improved. The the landscaping is going to be improved next to it. But that access driveway is going to stay there. If we require them to close it, whether they build this or not after we require that, I don't know. But if they were to build it and we required that to close it, they're still going to come through with the sidewalk, it's just instead of that access drive, the sidewalk's just going to go through there right now. And it's going to be curved rather than having a driveway. That that's really the only difference. And so the city's changes are still going to be the city's changes. And and so I don't whether we close it or not. Okay. Commissioners, any Anything else? I can just say from experience, it's much easier to close it before the development occurs versus after the development occurs. So, I think it's great that they're taking some initiative and, you know, saying we need to close it before it gets there. That's how I'm understanding it. Right. Say that again. So, the driveway will not exist. the development process is going to require the closure of the driveway. Not currently. And that is part of the minor site plan where planning has recommended uh that we leave that open. Um and public works is recommending that they close that and choose access somewhere else that they don't own. So this is a disagreement between public works and planning. Not necessarily. Planning has is planning is supportive of of public works. Um there there was some dialogue with uh the traffic engineer and some emails with

concerns about using Amarillo. Um and so the so but we have been supportive of of closing the access drive. realize that it's not a safe condition. There's too many access drives. Anybody who drives Florence Boulevard knows that we should be closing some of these access drives. But in consideration of the property owner and their development, um I think it does make it tough for them to be at this location without that access drive too. But but I also agree with you um Commissioner Garza that you know it's hard to close it once they're there. Yeah. I would like to say there was some miscommunication. Yes. Do I say it again? There was some miscommunication in public work from what Sam said about the traffic engineer and what the two of us want to do and we're going to rectify some communication problems inside public works so this won't happen again. But we definitely want to close that driveway. So this will be determined by the time we get to site plan then. No no we won't see. Which we won't see. Oh, okay. That's right. Because it's a it's not a major site plan. We would recommend that you condition the approval of this um to close that access drive. That would need to be done in a motion. I think we need to start thinking about this Florence Boulevard streetscape project along the like we've approved something else further to the east where I thought you know we needed to make some considerations for the project but I don't think everybody was prepared to have the discussion but I think this we need we need to start somewhere and this is where we start. So, and I I'm not I'm going to say this because I think this does also affect the use of the property, right? So, this is how this person develops and you

know, they bought the property knowing it had this wonderful driveway and now we're changing things. So, I think this could be before a judge as well in an issue. So, I think this is a similar situation because the access management guidelines do not go to the property owner to ask them what they think either. So, but I think this makes perfect sense. So, I'll I'm not going to make the motion. Big chicken. Can I ask staff what would that motion be to add the condition? Um, you would make a motion to in the affirmative of the cup with a condition that the southern access drive or the Florence access drive uh be closed um before minor site plan approval. Okay, go ahead. All right, chair. I'd like to make Dan, real quick, Dan, just to be sure. Yeah, hang on. Mark, so before minor site plan approval, it has to be closed. No. Okay. Because that's what you just said. So, I just want to make sure this site plan would have to demonstrate that it's being closed. But thank you for Yeah. that detail. So, it just needs to be closed. Like the site plan needs to show that that Okay. We wouldn't approve the site plan essentially if if it's not closed. I just wanted to make sure it doesn't have to be closed before you approve major site or the minor site. I just want to make sure you that's what you meant. So, so would you give us the verbiage so that we can make that motion properly? whoever but I think he was saying that the um uh the minor site plan shall show the driveway on Florence Boulevard being closed prior to any approval of a minor site plan. Is that what you meant? Yes, it is.

Thank you. Is that I'll try I'd like to make a motion to approve the conditional use permit and associated resolution DSA250062 with the following conditions. Any site plan for this development shall meet all departmental requirements addressed through the minor site plan review process. And two, the southern access point shall be closed prior to development. Shall be shown shall be shown as closed on any min minor site plan. Prior to approval prior to approval. Second that. Did you get that? Erica, how you doing over there, Erica? Okay. All right. So, we think we're good with that verbiage. All right. I have a motion. I'll second that. Did you read it? I love it. Okay. Motion to second. Any discussion? Again, I got to say, well done, guys. Good, good discussion. Talking through it all was great. So, please call the roll. Member Smith, yes. Member Alderret, yes. Member Vender Hayden, yes. Member Huard, yes. Member Peters I. Vice Chair Garza. Uh I Chairman Benedict. Doesn't matter. I I would be disturbed if I was this owner. Uh but uh but I sure see the point and it's going to happen at some point. We need it to happen at some point. So I'll say yes. All right. Motion approved with conditions. Next. Where we at? G4 request by new singular.

Singular. Okay. Wireless AT&T on behalf of Clark Septic Tank Services LLC for All right. So, I'm change yet, Jim. Sorry. I was I was chomping at the bit. Conditional use permit and a minor site plan. Okay, I'll get out of your way. Go, man. I was like, oh, you're still talking. I'm sorry. I apologized. I was just eager. Um, so as you were introducing this item, Mr. Chair, this is uh for the consideration of a conditional use permit and minor site plan for a wireless telecommunication facility to accommodate a tower for new singular wireless AT&T. The location of the site is on a 6.5 acre parcel east of I 10 south of Selma. And what's being proposed is an 80 foot tall wireless telecommunication facility. It will be of stealth design and involve a lease area of about 2500 square ft and an access road to get to the tower off of Selma. By stealth design, I mean that it's going to be designed to appear as a water tower, which will help make that um facility look less utility in appearance. There are two requests in front of you. The primary one is for consideration of the conditional use permit. It sits in a in the urban ranch zone where um facilities are are permitted use by right up to a height of 28 feet, but over 28 ft it's subject to a conditional use. So at 80 feet tall as is the

request to cup would be needed. And then I'm actually deferring the um what would ordinarily be an administrative consideration of a minor site plan to you all. Um, unlike the last case that that you heard this evening, the CUP review criteria has been discussed within the staff report. And when we talk about wireless telecommunication facilities specifically, there's additional review criteria that has to be taken into consideration. and staff has looked over both the site plan with regard to the placement and height of the facility and we feel that it has met all of this criteria. Um I I do want to point out that at 80 ft tall where the tower is placed or specifically the lease area they're more than meeting all of the necessary setbacks. It's basically a onetoone relationship. Um, meaning that at an 80 foot height, the tower can't be closer than 80 feet from any property line and it more than meets it from from all four directions. And we also are supportive of the fact that they are proposing a stealth design of the water tower. um primarily because even though there's just fields out there today and and may be that way for quite a while, um the area is surrounded by an approved planned area development zone district known as Mountain Shadows. And um although that area doesn't have certificates of assured water supply, there may come a time when there is a solution to that and it might develop residentially. I'm overlaying that

approved P A to show you how much land it encompasses. So having the uh a cell tower that is of of water tower design would be a benefit to that future neighborhood. Regarding the public notification process, we met that which is required by code. Um staff has not received any comments as a result of our public notification efforts. We are making the following recommendations that you approve the conditional use permit subject to these six specific conditions that's within the resolution. And then we also are recommending that you approve the minor site plan for this facility. And I'd be happy to answer any questions. Commissioners, any questions? Uh would you go back to your list of conditions? These are the same as was in the report. Yes. Yeah. All right. Thank you. Any other questions for staff? The applicant or their representative like to come forward? Okay. Not here. All right. So, I'll open the public portion of the meeting. Anybody from the public like to address this issue? Please come forward. Seeing none, I'll close the public portion of the meeting. Commissioners, back to you. So, we have two. Yep. We need two different two motions. Chair make a motion. Thank you very much. Glad somebody else pulling it up. Let's go. I'd like to make a motion to approve conditional use permit DSA

23002000 and associated resolution with the following conditions. Second. Okay. Motion to second. Any discussion? Hearing none. Please call the role. Member Smith. Yes. Member Alderret. I. Member Vender Hayden. Yes. Member Hubard. Yes. Member Peters. Hi. Vice Chair Garza. Just a quick question. Uh Garrett said 002000, but on the screen it says 00247. So which one is it? Yeah, you know, actually, thank you for pointing that out. I want to I want to point out two errors on this screen. The first one is is that the correct file number is DSA 2300 2000 and that it is um 80 feet in height, not 100. Oh, okay. And I'm an I. Just wanted ahead. Okay. So, we're at voting here. I, Chairman Benedict. Yes. And chair. I'd like to make a motion. Thank you very much. I'd like to make a motion to approve DSA 250054, the minor site plan for the wireless facility at 1464 South Dusty Lane. Listen to you just like a professional. Is there a second? Second. Thank you. Okay. Motion and a second. Any discussion? Please call the RO. Member Smith. Yes. Member Alderret. I. Member Vander Hayden. Yes. Member Hubard. Yes. Member Peters. Hi, Vice Chair Garza. Hi, Chairman Benedict. Yes. And I love this plan. We got to do

more of these. This looks I hope it looks as cool as it does on paper. Never seen one before. I think that just looks the pine trees. Yeah, the palm trees. Yeah, palm trees. Or the pine trees. The pine trees. We don't have any Harley in in southern Arizona, but they got this huge giant though. Maybe up north. Yeah, that'd be great. Down here. No. Yeah. And this is just giant. Yeah. All right. So next we have to consider forwarding a recommendation to city council for request from the city involving 304 acres of land in C Grand Mountain Park south of I8 minor general plan amendment and a zone change. All right, you're on. All right, so as as you indicated, there are two requests in front of you this evening pertaining to Kasa Grande Mountain Park. I'll give you a a walk through specifically with what's being requested. So I have I have it colorcoded here. Kasa Grande Mountain Park proper is approximately 1350 acres owned by the city of Kasa Grande and within city limits and that's what's identified in blue on your screen. Um, if you notice specifically between the north and the south, it gets really skinny. But there is some acreage identified in yellow, I call it Utah, that is within panel county jurisdiction that's owned by the state, but it's accessed and generally available for

users of the Kasa Grande Mountain Park. And within our general plan, by the way, um the area that you're seeing both in blue and yellow here is within our open space category. May lightning strike me if there's a firework. Oh, that sounded like lightning. That's true. I realized that. So in green um that entire area is our current open space designation per our general plan. There are some additional acres um that's identified in that orangey color that are used and accessed by the public and thought to be part of Kasa Grande Mountain Park. Um but the area that you see in orange are not um state, county or city owned. So these properties that you see might be developed privately in the future unless acquired at a future time for open space purposes. So we're going to specifically talk about the 304.5 acres of land that's outlined in purple there or dark blue. It's owned by the city but not officially part of the park. It sits outside of the area designated as open space by the general plan and until recently the city-owned property was reserved as part of a contract to sell to a private owner. Um these 304 1/2 acres as well as land owned by the private owner is part of a planned area development zone that's entitled for a variety of uses. It's part of the Kasa Grande Mountain Ranch P A, also known as Dreamport Villages Kasa Grande South P A.

So, the request in front of you this evening is to um reszone those 304 acres out of the P A and change its zoning to Urban Ranch. That would be the same zoning that the rest of the Kasa Grande Mountain Ranch proper zoning is zoned. And then in order to consider that zoning, it would have to be supported by the general plan designation of open space. So that's why there's the two requests. Um, a little bit more context. On the left is a general approximation of the area that we're talking about. Um, in fact, that's where the Erica trail head is located. It's not on the Kas Grandi Mountain Park uh property proper. It where the Erica trail head sits is within um the P A that is currently approved for that area. And this just shows you the two specific requests. The left shows you the existing general plan designation of neighborhoods and the proposed general plan designation would place it into open space. And then of course the zone change. Um this gives you a little bit clearer image on the left of what its current PED land uses are. You'll notice um LDR and VLDDR stands for low density residential which would be up to about four and a half dwelling units per acre. And VLDDR is very low density residential which basically allows one dwelling unit per acre. And even within that 304 acres as it exists, there's about 92 acres designated as open space.

But 212 acres does have that residential designation when considering general plan amendments and specifically minor ones. Um these are the criteria that have to be evaluated. And the staff report goes into all of these in great detail, but I just want to focus on items six and seven for you. Um, six is how does this accomplish general plan goals and what action steps are achieved by the proposed amendment. So, specifically within goal 04, expanded city network of open spaces, parks, and trails. And that's exactly what's being sought with this request. Action step 04.2 Two is target properties adjacent to Kasa Grande Mountain for purchase for open space expansion. We don't have to purchase it because it's already owned by the city. Another action step is to continue to acquire land to develop a scenic corridor around Kasa Grande by connecting large parks with greenways and multi-use trails. Kasa Grande Mountain Park proper as well as this 304 acres already has trails developed upon it. It would be a loss of of trail if if that 304 acres ended up being developed in a way that the area that many users already think to be part of the park ends up having to be redesigned. And then the last action step is increase recreational resources by maximizing the multi-purpose uses of existing open spaces. So Kasa Grande Mountain serves as an opportunity for people to hike, uh, mountain bike, trail run, bird watch, etc.

The other criteria that I want to talk about, it's kind of interesting to me, is describe how the proposed amendment impacts the general plan land use pattern. So, currently there's about 51,000 acres in the neighborhood's general plan designation, 304 of which is this area. So, we would we would lose 304.5 acres out of the neighborhood's general general plan designation, and it would go into the open space designation, increasing the the open space designated from 2,892 acres to 3,196. It would be a 10% increase in the city's open space. Meanwhile, less than um 1% of a decrease of neighborhoods. So, regarding the the zone change, there's three criteria that get evaluated and they all have to do with the city's general plan. Again, um the first criteria associated with zone changes is that the action is consistent with the general plan. And um the second is that a resoning conforms to the general plan if it proposes densities and intensities within those uses identified within the general plan. So for um open space designation, it supports urban ranch zoning and it does support um public you know there's there's some improvements that are supportable. Um there is a limited amount of u utility installations like wireless telecommunication facilities etc. um water tanks, things that um can utilize the advantage of the elevation and so forth, but it would be through leases um agreed to by the city. But

otherwise, it's it's primary function is to accommodate for for open space. Regarding the um notification process, there was a sign posted at the trail head and notification was sent to owners within 1,500 ft. That was five times uh increase. Normally, we do just 300, but that didn't reach very far at looking at all the undeveloped land around there. And then there was publication in the Kasa Grande Dispatch. Um, we did receive a couple of calls and there are some people in the audience that uh I do believe intend to speak about the project. We did receive a lot of correspondence over the last couple of days and so that didn't make it into your staff report, but it was distributed this evening for you. Um, that was in support of this um request. But we also do have um uh people that are not necessarily in favor of this uh change at this time and they're here to speak about that as well because they believe that there's an opportunity to to perhaps um keep the zoning and general plan designation as is, but an opportunity to um have it be developed in some way as its current P A which may be an amenity um to the city but I I will have that um gentleman speak about that perspective. Should this be recommended for approval this evening um the minor general plan amendment and zone change would go to the August 18th uh city council meeting and they would be the the final authority on both

decisions. staff does recommend that planning commission forward the city council a recommendation to approve the minor general plan amendment um from neighborhoods to open space. And then our second um recommendation is that you forward a city council recommendation to approve the zone change from Kasa Grande Mountain Ranch, otherwise known as Dreamport Villages Kasa Grande South to Urban Ranch. and I'd be happy to answer any questions. Commissioners, any questions for staff? Would the applicant Oh, you are the applicant. We are the applicant, but um we we also have some other staff in the the audience that would probably be also considered applicants. Would they like to address the commission? Good evening. Uh my name is Danny Gyos. I am the community services director for the city of Cassagrand. Um I manage the entire department, libraries, parks and recreation and one of these areas is Cassag Grand Mountain. Um we are in the current stages of doing um some um um plans for additional plans for here. We have some working with some different um uh trail developers and or excuse me designers. Uh we are going to be putting up signs here pretty soon. We're actually going to be reviewing some of the signs coming up shortly. Um as a parks and recreation professional. That is one of our goals nationally uh locally throughout the state through our associations is to try to preserve open space for the public. So um I'm here in support of of keeping that uh open space. Um, and I'd be happy to answer any questions about the operation of any

of the trails that we have here in the city. Okay, questions for quick question for the city. Yep, please. Dan, do you have any trail counts of how often people use it? I mean, I know it's heavily used. I was just curious. I don't have any of those numbers available right now. Do not I know it's very not it's not avail. It's not very busy right now, but Oh, come October. Come October, it's very busy. Um, we get a there's hiking clubs. There's a lot of biking clubs. I know. Um um there's there's various groups that utilize the space that, you know, I'm in communication with from time to time on trail maintenance and and uh uh trail issues and things like that. Would you would you say that the the city has a little bit of an advantage to have this u mountainous recreation versus a regular desert, you know, flat flatter area? Yes. I mean for enthusiasts especially because um a lot of the areas throughout the area are pretty flat. Uh if you know if you live in various areas um but to have the opportunity to actually go into mountains, mountain bike, hike um you can go into any farming area and go into flat lands, but it's very few mountains within actual city to be able to go and have technical trails. Especially some of the mountain bike community are looking for areas. They have to drive to Phoenix, they have to drive to Scottsdale, they have to drive to Tucson areas. This is one of the few places that are actually um a public space for them to do technical rides and actually have um be able to compete in race and things like that. Great. Thank you. Any other questions? All right. Thank you, D. Thank you. Okay. Now, I'd like to open it up for the public. Anybody from the public like to address this issue? Please come forward. Chairman, give us your name and address for the record. Evening chairman, members of the

commission. My name is Jack Gilmore. Thank you. Uh Gilmore Planning and Landscape Architecture. I'm here tonight on behalf of the property owner George Chasse, who is the general partner for Kasa Grande Mountain Ranch Limited Partnership. Um, we're here. I am here representing George asking for a postponement. I want to give you some history here. George bought this property in 1978. Um, as you can for you who were here, that area is quite remote and George had to wait for urban development goatee to grow to the south. In 1988, George put together a contract to acquire this 304 acres and he made a substantial down payment. And over the intervening years, he's made more principal payments and interest payments, but that's 37 years of a mortgage. In effect, that number is quite sizable. I first got involved in this property in 2005 or six, excuse me, uh when George was trying to address some of that uh interest from builders, home builders especially, who saw the benefit of this kind of property uh being presented to the market. So I worked with George to prepare the original P A on this property, Kasa Grande Mountain Ranch. And part of that effort was to distribute the density on this property because as you might be well aware there are very few opportunities in this area to do hillside development comparison parts of North Phoenix, North Scottsdale where you've got those dramatic views. Um in 200 um approximately seven or eight um George was contacted by the city and

around the city property on that northwest corner that Jim showed initially. Is is that still up here? That uh first general plan exhibit. There's a and and Jim showed that uh big yellow area right on that norththeast corner of that yellow area there was a break in the trail system. So George donated three acres so that the city of Kasa Grande could have a continuous trail network around that property. So that was a donation George made to the the city for the parks department. In 2014, we processed another uh major amendment, journal cut amendment and a pad for the north side of uh I8 and that was regional gateway commerce center and that's center point of the southwest that was put together as an exhibit. Yeah, that's perfect. Um, if I can indulge, I'd like to go for another minute or two. I'll try and wrap this up. But the north side was Regional Gateway Commerce Center and they started a national marketing campaign to attract, uh, some national users. Got a lot of interest. Um, as you know, we went through the recession, we're going through COVID. Uh, but I can tell you, uh, there are three major employment, uh, entities very seriously interested in this property. Um all those entities was seen the benefit and the wisdom of bringing both sides of these properties together north and south of Interstate 8. Uh these employment users, entities, national guys see the benefit of having a master plan community of this caliber with those hillside views as part of the package.

George has had to gone through a change of access report with ADOT which was lengthy and very expensive. Um, we're having to deal with uh the u ability to get water to this area which is also very expensive. And part of that marketing effort is to be able to package this as a master plan community employment and and uh a residential basis on the southside. So part of that effort is to preserve as much of the property as possible so that these national entities can attracted uh partner home builders who see the wisdom and benefit and the value of hillside development. So, we're hoping uh because of this interest that we can request a continuence or a postponement. Uh George would like to be here, but he's recovering from some back surgery. Uh so, I'm here in hisstead. um he did not know about this uh this effort by the city to go through this process to change the zoning. We just found out about this last Thursday. I understand he was notified by mail, but for some reason George did not receive that. So once we found out about this, we wanted to come down here and request because of this interest that uh we have your support to postpone this and give us the time to work with these users to finesse their interest and work with staff to share that interest and establish that that potential. So that's that's my request. Can we get a postponement to allow us to work with these entities to finesse their interest before this decision is made? Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Questions? We need to go on this public hearing. We

need to hear anybody else that wants to wants to speak. Thank you. Anybody else like to address this issue? Good evening. My name is Matthew Wallen. I'm at 249 East San Lorenzo Trail here in Kasa Grande. Um resident for nearly 20 years now. And uh this mountain in particular, I've got a lot of my own personal blood, sweat, and tears. I've been a trail steward for the last gosh almost 10 years now. A lot of the trails and uh open space that have been built out there, I've been a part of with a team of dedicated volunteers. uh previous community services directors and um city staff uh working on this trail system, working on this um having this piece of property and others like it as they become available and keeping this open space is something that's um invaluable. Casagon Mountain is a treasure for Casag Grande. We have people, you asked earlier, how many people use this trail system and the number is thousands uh throughout the year. We have people that travel from Tucson, Phoenix area that come down here. We've had people that travel from um as far as Canada and other places around the world. We have the jump zone which is down in Eloy and residents from there that uh stay to train and to um um practice skydiving routines and practice um military procedures around that type of stuff there. They um they recreate up that mountain as well. So, the mountain is something that is is heavily used and utilized. And this particular section of trail has um some trails that go through it um that connect uh the north end and the south end of the trail system um and have some of the most beginner friendly segments of that trail. So eliminating this piece of property or developing this type of thing would eliminate those

beginner friendly trails and make it so that certain people in the population wouldn't have access or be able to connect from the north side to the south side. It would cut them off and in a way that um would be ultimately detrimental. uh the short-term gains of developing property and and building, you know, beautiful homes that are on a hillside and that type of stuff don't they're not going to benefit the city and the community in the long run. And I would ask that you would approve this and consider doing that for the benefit of not just the here and the now and the developers now, but for future generations and for the city to come as we develop and we become larger and we get to the point where our community is completely built out. Um it may not be in any of our lifetimes, but sometime down the line some generation is going to appreciate the efforts that were made here tonight. Thank you. Thank you. Hello, my name is Debbie Mummy 9916 West Arveda out of Arizona City and I represent My husband and I have the junior high high school mountain bike race team and our practice track is Casrad Mountain. We're fixing to start up uh starting off Erica Trail Head. We'll be using the south side of the mountain. Some of our elite athletes will be headed north and encompass the full mountain. Not on the west side, unless you want to chase bullets, but over into the middle and to the north. What an exciting opportunity to bring open spaces in here to keep the natural. We're growing so fast in Cassagrand, taking up all of our nature. It'll be wonderful to have an area that's not built up with houses and and just brick

and mortar. So, I'm for the open spaces. Um, we're my husband and I are trail stewards. We have a lot of trail stewards out there. Uh, we're currently working on the south end on the trails. Uh, keeping it safe for everyone. That's something that we love to do and we've been doing that for gosh 20 something years. before a lot of the trails were made. So, um, love that mountain and I I'm just in all support of it to keep it open. Thank you. Anybody else from the public like to address this issue? Evening again. uh Nancywood 513 Speckle Road and uh didn't quite expect to come up and mention some things about this, but uh I've always been an advocate for open spaces and preserving our way of life to be able to experience the outdoors. This is one of the biggest health benefit benefits we have and to lose it to the public is just not good for our ourselves in the long run. And um I would promote you know getting this preserved for the open spaces and the use of the public. And there's many many things that could be done that would be better than private home use. I mean, you could do something like a botanical garden and there could be public events and other things that that could be used for this area that if people wanted to to really make the investment, it could be actually probably more financially uh long-term benefit in things like that

where the public would have use for appropriate outdoor uses that they would use on an ongoing basis. So, I support the open spaces. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Anybody else like to address this issue? Um, you spoke before. I Thank you, Chairman. One minute. Um, I guess I want to reiterate the fact that one of the things that brought George to this property was the views and the relationship to those mountains. In all the land planning we did for this, the trail connections into that master plan community are critical. And we have a separate trail plan that illustrates some of those opportunities. I guess I'm hoping we'll have a chance to work with staff uh parks and rec staff to finesse a relationship that allows these things to come together. I think a lot of that land can be preserved for open space. Of course, that 92 acres will be automatically, but by the time you put in trail heads, I think we can preserve more of that land. I think George would very much support the different groups that are using the trails. And that's all part of the marketing, I think, to make this project so attractive. So, I guess I'm hoping as part of this process, we have a chance to work with staff to finesse what everybody wants to see on this because I know George wants that, too. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Anybody else like to address this issue? Seeing none, I'll close the public portion of the meeting, bring it back to the commission. Um, I did have one question. I have to ask it. the way legislation is going, it's maybe it will become more and more mute

apparently. But are there any cause in this property we're talking about? Currently there there are not issued certificate of assured water supplies. I I there's there is some history to that land that um I think there was at one time a a certificate of of um the tear down from that. It's it wasn't a certificate of assured water, but it was what you get right prior to that. And so there was always hope that that that could be converted to certificates, but it's been an ongoing process. Okay, thank you. Good question. Commissioners. Hey, Mark. We can only postpone them or table for like one meeting, right? Let me check the I'll check the code just on because it's different for each um each kind. each kind, but I think I think we can table it, but for no more than two meetings, but let me just double check. Okay, I believe it's 60 days. Um, if you want to double check, um, as the as the applicant, uh, we would request that the commission make a decision. It's just a recommendation to city council and then, um, they can hear these arguments and make the decision as to whether they want to either move forward or not. Since this isn't the final action this evening, um, do you know when it's scheduled for the council? Yes, August 18th. So, 30 days. I was just going to say I don't really see a point in postponing this or tableing it mainly for the fact that the amount of discussion that would be

needed to kind of come to agreement with property owners and other interests, especially because you're dealing with the city. I don't think you can get that done in 60 days. And so I don't see any point in us postponing this. Go ahead. I think I think if if if he wanted to develop, he would have done it in the last 30 years. That's where that's where I'm at. And it didn't happen. So, you know, we've we've recreated on it for all this time and it's become, you know, people have built trails, volunteer communities, we have schools using it. So, I think it needs to be preserved as park open space, not park and it is for two meetings, just to let you guys know. Can't table it for more than two meetings. Gota. Okay. All right, commissioners. Okay, I'd like to make a motion. Thank you, sir. All right. Uh, like I can make a motion for forwarding a recommendation to city council for the request for a minor general plan amendment. City of Kasa Grande general plan 2030 and covered under DSA-25- Z00 78 and we we don't have any no conditions no conditions were recommended just to be clear I'm not sure but for favor a recommendation of approval because I just heard a recommendation I didn't hear Okay. Just wanted to make sure. Right. I want to recommend that we forward the recommendation to the city

council of approval to approve for approval. Okay. Just I'll second that. Okay. Good motion to second. Any discussion on the motion? Hearing none. Please call the role. Member Smith. Yes. Member Alderret. I. Member Vanderhden. Yes. Member Hubard. Yes. Member Peters. I vice chair Garza. I chairman Benedict. Yes. Okay. Second part of that, I would like to uh recommend to the city council an approval for the zone change of the city-owned land from a portion of Kasa Grande Mountain Ranch P A zone district to urban ranch under DSA-25-000079. Second. Very good. We had a motion and a second. Any discussion? Hearing none, please call the role. Member Smith. Yes. Member Alderret. I. Member Vanderhden. Yes. Member Hubard. Yes. Member Peters. I. Vice Chair Garza. Hi. Chairman Benedict. Yes. All right. Planning Director, this is a report. Thank you, Mr. Chair, members of the commission. As Dwayne mentioned, the RFQ for the Florence Boulevard design is currently on the street and it'll close August 15th um in August planning and zoning commission meeting. You are going to hear um a number of code amendments that uh was started when Director Ty was here. And so, we're going to try to get that across the begin the process of

getting that across the finish line. Um there was a code amendment for the city council passed based on new state laws about expansion of construction hours. The city was um mostly in compliance with that. We just needed to add a language to allow the pouring of concrete one hour before construction begins. Um the urban camping ordinance was passed by city council um and staff is uh will be meeting to decide how that rolls out. Um the tablets uh just to let you know if you log on to your email uh you might want to log out or just not do that because you won't be getting the same tablet back and uh yeah next more than likely not getting the same tablet back and happy 4th of July. That's all I have. Thank you. Very good. Anything else commissioners? We stand adjourned. Yay. Good. Me neither.