Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

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So it is 6:30 so I will call the meeting to order. Um, our first item on the agenda is to approve the agenda. I move to approve the agenda. We have a motion. Do we anyone second? Thank you for the second. Any further discussion? All in favor? I. And those opposed. That was an easy one. Uh, next we need a motion to approve the minutes from June 26th. Motion to approve the minutes. A second. Thank you. Any further discussion? All in favor? I.

And those opposed? Motion carries. Uh, new business. Uh, Erin, will you present information on United Properties? I sure will. Thank you, Planning Commission. Tonight, we have one actionable item on our agenda. It's review of the 212 West Business Center. And then I'm going to request that during communications I can give an update on the Enclave, which is the Dr. for Horton project. We have made some progress on some updates that the planning commission and city council were looking for. So, uh, council reviewed an updated concept plan. So, I wanted to share that with you as well. Is that the Lensen? Yeah. Property. Okay. Is everybody good up there? Do you need something? We're good.

Okay. All right. So, getting started on the JCP Holdings United Properties 212 West Business Center. For some context and location of where we're located, we are near Lake View. I went to the state fair today. So if my voice sounds weird or if it sounds my mouth sounds dry, it's because it is.

So just know my sodium intake was high this morning. Okay. So where we are located near Lake View Industries and Fleet Farm, we are adjacent to County Road 11 or Jonathan Carver Parkway and Levi Griffin Road north of Highway 212. So north of our traditional uh residential section of Carver into our growth area in the north portion of town on the left you can see the city's 2040 comprehensive plan and design Carver. The property is circled uh it's purple on the comprehensive plan which is guided for a commercial industrial mix. So think about that as we begin review of the project and then I think my cursor is working here. So this is the project site here, 12280 Jonathan Carver Parkway, formerly uh right now is owned by JCP Holdings. So the site plan that you saw several months ago uh is on the screen now. So proposed by United Properties. Josh McKini is here with Measure Group. He's been part of the development team. He'll be part of the conversation later to answer any specific questions that you have. So this was the concept plan that you reviewed. The city council reviewed provided some feedback. uh then this is the process where we started moving forward into preliminary PL plans etc. Since the time of concept plan we've learned a lot more about the project that I'll share with you first and probably the most exciting is a rendering of the building. So that was included in your packet and on the screen now and then working through some site details some of the nitty-gritty information about the project you'll want to know. So on the concept plan and through the preliminary plat, it's been proposed as two industrial buildings, both at 189,000 square ft. The preliminary plat shows an extensive amount of parking. The concept plan was much lower at the time. We had some questions. Is it enough parking? What does it look like? Uh everything has been updated and parking has been greatly increased. The space in the buildings will include high ceilings, space for demising for multiple employers, flexible site layout, and

parking areas. The types of users that United Properties is looking for for the site is production, lab, research and development, warehousing, and distributing. Right now, no end users have been identified or shared with the city, but that's the type of user United Properties will be going after. Um, Connor McCarthy with United Properties has also let us know it's pretty typical that they build the space they need, make the space work for them. So, this this process is not atypical for them. Some additional uh project details. This project will not have direct access on the Jonathan Carver Parkway or County Road 11. So, right now there's an existing driveway that will be closed. No access will be from County Road 11. There will be direct access from Levi Griffin Drive. Levi Griffin Road. That is not a drive. Levi Griffin Road and Commerce Drive, which is the street that was constructed for Lake View Industries. And this project triggers the need for a signal at Levi Griffin Road and Commerce Drive. So if you think about that location, if you're traveling west on Levi Griffin to get to Fleet Farm or beyond, there will be an intersection when this project comes online. So at that intersection that's circled now, it'll be a full intersection with signal. So the requests that are before the planning commission tonight, the first is reszoning. So as you know, as a planning commission, anytime a project is annexed into the city, the default zoning is agriculture. That's not unique to this project. as part of our orderly annexation agreement. So, right now the project has been annexed into the city, but the default zoning continues to be egg until the planning commission and city council act on the request. So, the request tonight is to reszone the property to our industrial zoning district. And then I've listed the uses from that district on the screen now. So, you'll see one through four are similar uses to what United Properties is proposing on the site. So thinking about manufacturing, fabricating, warehousing, scientific research office and admin facilities. So that's all within the industrial district in our

city code. So matching the project to that resoning request. And then the second request is preliminary plat. So you will review the project for consistency with the zoning code and then review building setbacks, materials, access, parking, trail, trees, etc. So through the process, it has been about a year since we have started looking at this project. So August 5th, 2004, 2024, we saw the concept plan annexation was January of 2025. Something that we've talked about a little bit here, but the planning commission is not tasked with reviewing is an environmental assessment worksheet. I have some information about that in an upcoming slide. And then the planning commission most recently did a review of the project to compliance with a comprehensive plan for a TIFF application. Again, the planning commission is not tasked with reviewing that TIFF application. You are just tasked with reviewing the project to the comprehensive plan. So that was your most recent review. And then through the process, there have been some behind the scenes things that have happened. They happen in every project. The amount of times we go back and forth with the developer, get some more detail. But a big one that occurred on this site was building demolition and then soil remediation. So thinking about the environmental assessment worksheet or the EAW, it's a process that's run through the Minnesota Environmental Quality Board and it studies both the natural and built environment before a project happens and then how the project will impact it. So it thinks about animal species that are on the site, light pollution, sound, traffic, etc. The EAW is drafted by the developer. Staff reviews it. Usually, we go back and forth a couple times to say, "We don't understand this part. What did you mean? Here's some more information." And then once staff is comfortable with their review, it's reviewed by outside agencies. So, the EAW is sent to a whole host of groups. Some of note would be the Environmental Quality Board, the Department of A, Department of Commerce, Department of Health, Pollution Control

Agency, the EPA, Army Corps of Engineers, etc. So that group has 30 days to comment on an EAW to give questions, feedback, uh critical thinking about things on the site that we might not not know or understand. As part of the EAW, the comments have to be reviewed and we have to draft responses. So we can't just say, "Got your comments. We're not going to think about them anymore." We have to fully address them to be able to say, "Yes, we know that to be true. This is how we're thinking about it. This is how we're mitigating XYZ." So the city council was then asked to determine if an environmental impact statement and or an EIS would be required for this project. So an EAW is the first step in environmental review and that's the determination of if an EIS is required. An EIS is a lengthy process that is required if the EAW brings up something that needs to be further studied. So through the review of the EAW, the comment period, staff review, council review, the Carver City Council determined that an EAW was not required for this project. So the EAW generally came back with some things that we knew, some concerns about traffic was one of the big ones with the county, but beyond that, there were no um direct impacts of this project to the built or natural environment that would cause an EIS to be required. So the city council completed that review. EAW goes back out as being completed. Part two of site cleanup that we've been thinking about at a staff level. Um some community level and then the development team through demolition of the single family home. Uh there was some site remediation that was required. I shouldn't say some, there's significant site remediation that was required. So a company called Braraw Intertech oversaw the remediation. So they were on site uh watching the the excavation of the site, testing the soils, making sure everything was removed in uh compliance with state rules, and then Bronn Intertech oversaw that process and

generated a report at the end of the process. So in the end, 3,100 cubic yards of contaminated soil was removed from the site and transported to a disposal facility, which is a lot. It was a lot of dirt that was moved off the site. It was a lot of trucks. It was a lot of contaminated soil that came off the site. uh Brun continued to test soil throughout the process and then after and once the remediation was complete soil contaminates contaminants did not exceed regulatory limits. So there was contamination it was removed it was reviewed by Brun then um sends a report to the MPCA and then the MPCA reviews that report as well. So remediation has been completed. So all of those steps have been completed. Dirt has been removed. So from staff perspective, development perspective, Bronn perspective, the site is ready for development at this point. There was contamination. Based on that report, we know that to be true, but based on the work that was completed, it's been remediated. Now,

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Yes, the fuel tank under the home that was used to heat the home was the primary source of it. I don't know if this is a good joke or if this is just that I ate really strange foods today, but um I was going to do project review highlights, but these were some of our low points with the development team. So, the things that we um struggled with, thought a lot about, went back and forth on a lot. So, two things of note for the planning commission specifically. I'll talk about them in a couple slides. Um trail along the property adjacent to County Road 11 and then landscaping, tree removal, and replacement. So the tricky part about installing a trail that's usable in this space is that you can see that Jonathan Harbor Parkway in the stretch. So this is going north to Victoria. The Levi Griffin 11 intersection would be right behind you in this picture. You can see it's not improved. So there's not a curb gutter system. So water from the street goes into that ditch which makes it hard to put a trail there. It's significantly lower than the road. It's significantly lower than the project location. and water travels through that ditch right now. So, we uh thought about it creatively. We uh frankly thought some pretty silly ideas about trail location. Um but ultimately this was not a feasible location where we typically would install a trail along the right of way due to the ditch condition. We also thought about um when Jonathan Carver Parkway would be improved. Could we wait and require that the trail go in then when curb and gutter is installed so water then would move under the street instead of in this ditch? But the county doesn't have a super solid timeline of when that would occur. So we didn't want to have something north develop have a trail section and then have this remaining gap where we're waiting for the county to improve county road 11 to get that one trail segment back in. So that was

a trail on the other side of the road. Correct. It's in Chesca. Oh, which is fine and we could use that trail. like there's nothing against Trasco's trails. Um but crossing County Road 11 didn't feel like a feasible option for us. So we'd like to support the trail system on both sides of the street. Got it.

And then not knowing um like this user the United Properties piece uh north is guided commercial industrial and then north of that in our comprehensive plan there is a big commercial district there. So we didn't want people to have to go from the Carver side to Chaza go up and then come back if they're riding their bike to a commercial user. that's a little bit further north. So, uh, we thought it was really important to have a consistent trail on the carver side as well. And then there was a lot of information in the packet about landscaping, tree removal, and replacement that we'll work through in a couple slides. So, on the screen now is the preliminary plat. This is the technical planning document that gets recorded at the county. Um, highlights of it is that it uh memorializes drainage and utility easements for the city primarily. So, we think about access into the site. Um, I'm going to go back and talk about that a little bit. So, full access will obviously be at Commerce Drive and Levi Griffin Road. And then there is a slip right here on Levi Griffin. So, cars will be able to access the site directly in, not coming out. So, there's an access here as well as a full access at Commerce Drive. So, thinking about that for site access. Preliminary plat is a lot of like pretty technical planning information. And it doesn't give you a ton of information about the details that you likely care about as planning commissioners and residents, but uh this is the formal planning document that gets recorded uh memorializes some things for us that we need for zoning, drainage and utility easements, access, etc.

So Erin, um it's got the old driveway correct there. Is that going to be straightened out? The driveway on this plat. It's got a turn in. Yes. So it will be fully closed. Fully closed. Yes. On counter at 11. So it's not recorded like that with the county that it would be fully closed. So this is the preliminary plat. I anticipate at the time of final we'll have some more information about how that will align with county road 11.

Okay. So the site plan we get a little bit more information. So we start thinking about uh the zoning of the property layout etc. So the buildings are still consistent 189,000 ft. There have been some additional details added since the time of concept plan. I often talk about preliminary plat being the heavy lift where we learn a lot about the project. These are those details that we start thinking about. So you'll see access into the site, parking window of the site. There are some pretty significant wetlands on the north portion of the site. Aaron in a bunch of slides is going to talk about water on the site through that wetland complex. But in general, um, here's the general site layout to note like the Carver monument sign is here if that's at all helpful for you of how the view will be at that intersection and then traveling north and south along Jonathan Carver Parkway. So, as part of our hefty trail discussion, the building between the first submitt and the submitt that we're looking at tonight has been shifted about 18 ft west to be able to accommodate a trail that is closer to the building out of that gutter system. Um, ditch system, not gutter system, ditch system. So, my arrows there are indicating that the building is moving west to allow for the trail to travel along Jonathan Carver Parkway dashed in red. So, there was a removal of some parking on the west side. Buildings will shift. Um, all of that happened internally through staff and developer review. So, if you're thinking like, I don't remember what that looked like on the plan, it was just version one for us versus the version that you're seeing tonight. So, you'll see that that trail um pops around the monument sign on some existing sidewalk that's there. And then it's an 8ft trail traveling north up to Victoria along our growth area. So that's in essence just shifting it, making space so when the trail comes someday.

No, the trail will be installed with this project. Oh, one of the idea that was one of the ideas that we had. Could we wait until County Road 11 was improved and then we require the developer to come back and make that to fill that gap. But just based on timing, how development might work, we found it really important to fill that gap now instead of waiting for a future project to happen at the county level. So then any future projects happening to the north of this will the developers will be required to continue the path. Correct. Okay. So it ends at the end of the building. Nope. It goes all the way up the property line. Okay. Is there a sidewalk on the Commerce Trail side as well too or No, there is not.

Or Commerce Drive. Sorry.

There is on the south side. And then uh we talked a little bit about future like what it would look like moving throughout this site. We're anticipating right now that commerce will travel north south on the site and then up into the Wikcinhouser piece and potentially be a culde-sac. So at that point we didn't feel like trail was appropriate for such a short stretch of the street. So moving it to the county road 11 section JCP was important for us at a staff level. And then thinking about this site, there are a lot of trees on it, which was interesting to navigate uh since we typically are dealing with cornfields that are developing. So, uh we knew about some of this old growth forest with the Commerce Drive project. If you'll look really closely at the Commerce Drive um version that's on the plan right now, you can see there's a little jog in the street. We had to move out of this property to preserve some of those old oak trees that are in the corner of that property. So through review of Commerce Drive, we knew some information about landscaping on this property, the trees that were existing, how it might work. I'll also just say in general, industrial projects take up more space. They're they're bigger buildings, more people are visiting, more parking is required. So there has been a lot of discussion at a staff level and then with the development team about how we can uh adequately do justice to the site for the amount of trees that were there with the amount of space that an industrial project has. So right on the screen right now is the tree removal. So all the areas in red are obviously proposed for removal. And then you'll see I blew up the calculation that's on the right side of the screen down on the bottom. So you'll work through uh the amount of trees that were on the site. Our city code allows for 60% removal of all total trees on site. And uh you can see that the proposed removal is above that 60% threshold. So we uh were thinking about

a deficit of about 2792 caliber inches of trees, which is a weird measurement to think in um caliber inches instead of just a round number. So, uh, we got pretty creative with the development team. We've gone back and forth a couple times about increased landscaping on the site. So, on the screen now, you'll see a really robust landscape plan that I would say is atypical for an industrial project just based on the amount of space that's available for the development team to work towards that number that they needed to replace. Uh, in the end, there is not enough space for the replacement that's required. So staff and the development team have come up with a shared calculation of how the city can recoup the caliber inches lost on that site. So in total I think this number is going to increase by the time it comes back to you again for final plat. But it's around $11,000 right now that the city can use specifically for tree planting or tree remediation. So something that we're starting to grapple with is emerald ashbor and its effect on city trees which is a really significant cost to the city to have to remove and then replant trees. So we're already thinking about a couple projects where we could use this excess money from this site to remove diseased trees throughout t throughout town and then replace them. like all of the trees along the shelter and community park are likely going to die in the next couple of years and that's a really significant shade area for the park the shelter. So we've been thinking a lot about that project specifically um scratching our heads about how we can take those trees down but also be able to get trees back in that space. So a lot more to come on that in the future uh as we start thinking through how those dollars will be used but just in general uh there was significant removal. We are at a point where staff and the development team uh would say we have put as many trees and shrubs as we can on this site but there is still a deficit. So coming to an agreement of what that deficit means to both of us together.

This is the phototric plan which shows light spillage from the site. It's a little bit tricky if you really squint your eyes. You can see some green figures um throughout the site or you can see where I'm like the circles are. So you can see that this is the heavily lighted space. This is where the lights are located. And then you can see the amount of light that will be leaving the site. So under the lights, obviously the foot candle, which is the measure of light, is significantly higher, but spillage off the site will be minimal, which is what we'll require in our city code. So just general information about lighting. So tonight you do have a public hearing on your agenda. A little bit about the process. A notice was published in the Wakona Patriot and sent to property owners within 350 ft of the site. So the 350 ft requirement is set in state statute and it's every property line. So it's not just the center of the site, you go from the property line on all sides. Um staff did receive comments from one property owner. The information was included in the packet. Um I was able to talk to the property owner that provided comments, discuss project details, concerns, and next steps. We're going to dive a little bit into some of those concerns though. just thinking through what that looked like. So the I would say it was split into three buckets. So it was like process, land use and zoning, remediation, and then storm water. So Aaron, get ready. It's storm water. I throw it over to. So um the property owner and resident was able to share a lot of history about the site, the area, Carver in general, which is I think always helpful and fun to learn about just what Carver has looked like in people's lifetime based on what it's looked like in my time here. Uh we talked a lot about market changes, retail changes. So um prior to our 2018 comprehensive plan, the numbers that we had in our comp plan had Carver at about 40,000 residents by 2020. And that hasn't been our story. We're seeing a lot of development, but not the numbers that we anticipated in the 2008 comp

plan. Uh largely, I think, due to market changes, retail changes, the recession of 2008. Um, we talked a lot about the future land use map and the comp plan and Carver's continued desire and commitment for additional commercial development. So, uh, thinking through conversations we're having with grocerers. We know, uh, everybody in this room and probably everyone outside of this room is pretty hungry for a grocery store in town and, uh, just some feedback from staff, the work that we do continuously to try to get a groceryer interested. um working on a couple sites in town, but thinking trying to be thoughtful about that, trying to be enticing for a retailer, for a ger. And then just changes in staff, elected officials, appointed officials, uh how the process has changed, remediation, the environmental assessment worksheet, and then the work completed by Braraw. Um I shared with the property owner today that I think my main takeaway from the conversation and review of this project is that the site was contaminated. The report from Brun told us that um which is tough. It's tough to know that there was a property near a home that had some type of contamination in it. But I am uh confident in the work that was completed by Braraw in the excavation that the site has been remediated at this time. But it's challenging to know um and not know what impact that might have had to have a site that required remediation that just existed for so long. But through development of this project, the work by Bronn and the development team, the site is development ready, that the soils have fully been remediated. So Erin, I'm going to give you storm water now. I put those two.

Okay. Good evening everybody. One of the questions that was posed um through the comments received was related to storm water and how that's um released off the site. And this is uh this is one of the main pieces of the review that we do during development reviews. It's reviewed at a city level and it's also uh re reviewed very heavily by the watershed management organization which in this case is the CCWMO. So um what you do when you review developments is you look at what what are the existing conditions. How is the water um routing off of the site today? And then you compare that to postdevelopment where is the water going and how is it being released off the site. So in general terms what you what you look for is the existing drainage patterns off the site are being maintained and secondly the rates at which the water is being released um through the storm water system is not increasing in the post development conditions. So those are kind of the big um things that to keep in mind for development reviews is what we're looking for. So in this case um the areas in yellow and green those ultimately go to the north today. Um they're routed to the ditch along Jonathan Carver Parkway and there's a very large wetland complex to the north where all that storm water makes its way ultimately and then ultimately down to Chaza Creek and to the Minnesota River. So that that takes care of over half of the site is all going that way today. Um the piece in blue as you see in the bottom right that gets routed off site through a through a cross culvert under Levi Griffin Road and that all goes south directly down to the 212 system where it's captured and and taken taken through different systems in that direction. And then the piece in red um

which I'm highlighting here um about a quarter of the site that actually goes west today that goes under Commerce Drive. It goes through the ponding systems that were constructed as part of the Lake View Industries project. And then that water actually is routed to the south um to the stub of Commerce Drive by the Levi or by the gas station for Fleet Farm and is discharged off site at the end of that stub street which is routed through a a drainage ditch and it makes its way to 212 in that direction. So that's just kind of the the general routing of how things are are going today. And then in the proposed condition, um the the routing is matched very closely to what it is today. So um the yellow and green still go to the north to that large wetland complex. The area in blue is still going to that cross culvert under Levi Griffin Road and then that seven and a half acres is going to the west and then ultimately to the south uh to the the system on the south side of Commerce Drive. Um, so related to rate control, as I mentioned before, the water can't leave the site faster than what it what it does today. And as you can see here, um, we look at three three storm events. The the two-year rainfall, the 10-year rainfall, and the hund 100year rainfall events. So, you know, two, four, and seven inches, you know, round numbers, that's about what it is. And you can see here that there's actually a a considerable amount of reduction in rate leaving the site in all rain events um upwards of 50%. So that's a really good thing. Um so that that's all um very good. There's other things that we look for between the city and the waterhed district. Um they have to provide water quality. Um so basically you're removing uh phosphorus and suspended solids from

the water before it can leave the site. So that's done um by means of the ponding systems that they construct as part of the development. Um and then lastly volume leave total volume leaving the site is looked at and there's rules for that as well. Um it's for basically you take the imperous surface and whatever's new imperous surface created on the site you take that times 1 inch and that is the volume of water that is supposed to be controlled from a volume perspective on the site. Um, in this situation and in many situations, I'd say the majority situations in Carver County, this is what we'd be considering a constrained site because of the soil classification. So, when you have clay soils, you can't infiltrate water into the ground. So, that rule is reduced dramatically um to a half inch. And basically what you do is for that half inch of rain, you you filtrate that through a filtration basin on the site. And then so that basically captures that water. It filters it out. It gets the solids and the phosphorus out of the water. And then it's ultimately still released off the site um through under underground drain tiles that hook back into the storm sewer. Um but in all situations, this development is proposed to meet those rules. um that are dictated by both the city and and Carver County. So, um I have no concerns with what they're proposing right now and just thought we should kind of give the the commission overview just so you can kind of know that too going forward with with the things that we look at. So,

when you when you talk about a rain event, is it 2 inches in an hour? It's a 24hour distribution. Yep. So, like for example, like I said, the 100 year is about 7.2 two inches in in a 24-hour distribution. So um obviously there's a large increase in imperous surface compared to a small house versus you know 200,000 square feet of building and plus uh

you know sidewalk and asphalt right um so what is the main method is that the retention ponds and then the the depth right so again more improve surface we have to hold the water for you you know, like has to, right? So, there's a presumably a specified rate it drains out of the pond, right? So, as as the um more the ponds are just deeper or bigger or a combination to kind of keep that, you know, outflow like you said, consistent, right? How is that accomplished? Right. in general.

So, yeah. So, the ponds in general, they're sized so there's a volume that it can initially keep, you know, before the water even would get up to the outlet elevation. Um, and then what what what we design or what developers design a lot of times is um there's an outlet control structure on like the downstream end of the pond. So there's a pipe that goes out, but there's also like a manhole, and it can control the rate the rate at which the water can physically like push out of the pipe like offsite. Um, a lot of times we'll put like a weir wall in the structure with like a smaller diameter hole

and it basically throttles how fast the water can can leave the site. Gotcha. So basically the output pipe is higher than the input pipe, right? So the input pipe fills with the water. As the water gets higher, it eventually hits it starts to let it drain out drain out. Okay, that makes sense. And then um these calculations are all set by the Carver County Water Management Agency and other Right. This is not the city. So even if we wanted to exempt it, we couldn't, right? We have to get it approved by independent agency, right? And

correct. Uh and the CCWO is very involved in development review. So they actually have their own um calculation like program that they use to help developers or anyone else like with like the water quality calculations and everything and that's what they expect to see when they review the plan. So they have to follow basically every step by step and submit the necessary information that they're comfortable with approving a plan for development. And then uh the last thing about so on how to choose which areas drain is again was based on the original right so the draining to the north there was that set volume. So again based on those calculations you had to like you might have one manhole or one grate on the parking lot go one direction and the next great goes the other direction to keep that volume consistent. Right. Like that little

correct the red line. Right. So if there was a great Right. So it was all calcul right it's a very so like the storm sewer systems are are like segregated right so like as you see there like the two ponds up in the north end so there's a pond and a filtration basin up there that treats all the water going that way and then the stuff that's on the west side treats the water that's going out to the south to the west and the south so that's all I had does this affect the property to the north that's not yet there I think that's north the the property to the north. So everything in the yellow that drains directly to the ditch that's on Jonathan Carver Parkway.

And then this the stuff in the green is that large wetland complex that's uh right on the east side of Commerce Drive today. And that wetland overflows. There's a there's a ditch system that goes back out to the Jonathan Carver Parkway ditch and it meets together and then it goes to the north. Okay. So, as it continues to get developed, it'll have to be addressed. Every developer will have this plan. Yep. It'll change. It'll keep Yep. The system will keep advancing as as development advances and they'll need to to meet the existing condition and it it all just kind of

But you're not taking this whatever doesn't drain here and pushing it to the next person and pushing it to the next person and at the end you run out of space with the water. No, that's for the guy on the south side. The CCWMO rules don't allow for that to happen. Okay? So, you have to independently be able to handle your own water. Okay? So, United Properties can't give their water to somebody else. They could through a system. So, like as water moves off the site, but they can't just say it's going to drain somewhere. Okay. Okay. So, I think that's the completion of the slides that we have prepared. Josh, do you want to come up and introduce yourself? I'm sorry. Can I just ask

Yeah, I'm I want to start the whole discussion. Do you mind if we bring someone up and then you're free to ask ask any questions of any of us? Do we need to open the public hearing? I'd like to get through the discussion first. Sure. No problem. Will you turn on that mic, too? So, just one more question on the water. The prior was 7.7 acres in red. This new one is 7.5. Mhm. But is there more or less potential water flow in those acreage in that acreage? That make sense? Potential water flow um

the volume of water is the volume of water calculated higher at 7.7 acres versus 7.5. No, there's going to be more volume because just due to the nature of the like imperous surface that's created. So that's that's just how it works when you have more impervious but the rate the rates can increase. So once it's going off the site that's like the cut off line. So that's why you have like rate control built into your ponding system. So you have to deal with it on the site and then when it it leaves it has to be controlled. Got it. Thank you.

What was that?

Sure. My name is Josh McKenna. uh with Measure Group. I'm a consultant for United Properties. Uh thank you so much for having me here today. Um and we're excited to to kind of talk about this project. I think staff did a phenomenal job explaining the intricacies of the project. Um I know we were here about a year ago. Um I've actually been working on this site with United Properties since spring of 2024. Um and kind of walking through many iterations of the site plan. Um, and it just struck me tonight how how close actually our final site plan here uh kind of matches kind of what we we're looking at from a conceptual level too. Um, and so I think you know the couple of the concerns that we've uh we've heard I think they're valid, right? I mean I I would if I were to Jason I would want to understand um the kind of the finer points of the project as well. Um I um am not the geologist that wrote the report relative to with Braraw. Um but I think the you know 480page report does a nice job detailing kind of the level of complexity that we went through um to ensure that the site was was cleaned up um in advance of this development. I think the other thing just to recognize is like um I think it's kind of a sign of the development process working which is we are required to go and do this environmental review um and that environmental review and we you know when it came up that there was an underground fuel tank. It was a requirement that we go investigate in in in terms of you know is that tank sound? Um, and so the result was no, it wasn't sound. And and as much as I wish it wasn't the case where we had to remove, you know, 300 truckloads of dirt, um, that's where that's what it ended up being. And the to the extent where, you know, that level of cleanup is required. Um, I guess I would say, you know, we're feeling more confident that that is a we have a clean site at this point where

we're not going to run into something that's, you know, unforeseen because of the level of complexity of the Brun report. Um, and then, you know, also just um, you know, recognizing that there is a process in place for this. This is not necess I mean I'd love to tell you that it's atypical that we run into contamination on sites that we develop but particularly with farm sites it's common to have a fuel leakage um and this kind of what the process um requires of us as a development team is to go through the paces and make sure and double check and check again. uh and this project actually um because of the EAW and the involved nature of kind of this you know and the scale of the project required an ancreased um of of scrutiny on the environmental front and so um I guess if you know if I were a resident or you know wanting to really dig into this project I would say boy you know the thousandpage EAW and a whole bunch of other documentation and all the people that have looked at this thing both from the city state and federal level um should give me uh on the at least on the environmental front some comfort um that no step has been skipped here um you know and so we feel good about that as a team as well that we've kind of we've gone through that there's been no shortcuts we've gone through every single uh step in that way um and then I think Aaron did a nice job of explaining the storm water um component to this project I think the easiest way and I'm not an engineer I'm a landscape architect Um but um but I work with engineers quite often and the easiest way that I'm able to understand it is the rules require that the existing condition cannot be exceeded both from a rate control or a volume control on this site. And then we utilize the giant pawns that are on this project in order to ensure that's the case. I don't get to review it and say it's good. Even our engineer who is stamping it and certifying it doesn't

get to be the person that gets to determine that. Aaron and his staff get to look at it. The watershed management organization has to look at that. And those people are bound by the state and federal laws that establish these requirements. And so it's not, you know, there's many kind of steps through that process. The other piece I think Aaron did a nice job of of kind of articulating um kind of collaboration on knowing that we need a trail here. You know, we wanting a trail here. And it's it was more of um hey, what can we do to make this happen? Um and shifting some parking around and and that felt like a good compromise for this site um related to I understand the city of Carver is looking for a trail. Um we don't want to have to rely on Chaza for a trail. I get it. Um, and so that piece just kind of those small tweaks, it doesn't seem like a lot, but those, you know, that shift of the parking lot, you know, the whole pro site really, um, to accommodate that was something that, you know, our team worked on with city staff. And then the last piece, um, I mentioned I'm a landscape architect. I'm not a fan of te taking down any more trees than what we need to. Um but on this site and I would argue on any site of that a commercial site of it that's this type of scale um is going to require that amount of tree clearing and I think something that's unique here in addition to the funds that Aaron was talking about is you know we're recognizing we do have a high quality wetland in the northwest corner of this site and so working with you know professionals in that realm to restore the wetland buffer to work through that that process in addition to the you know I would say abnormal level lands caping that's found on this project. Um it's just kind of that extra step of like we get it. I know your ordinance isn't written for a landscape or for for an industrial project, but regardless, it's an ordinance and we need to work through it with you guys.

So, I guess with that, I'm we were excited to work with the city of Carver. Um I I pass along Carver, sorry, Connor and his team. He's traveling. he'd be here tonight and I wouldn't be speaking in front of you, but but you know, he's what I would say very excited for this project to move forward. We're having robust discussions with different folks um from a tenant perspective. Um and one of the things that our tenants keep the prospective tenants keep asking is where are you at in the approval process? So, I would love to share more. I just, you know, we're just not at that point of kind of having identified users, but recognize that the point of these buildings, as Aaron mentioned, is to have, you know, the ability to demise them into multiple users. Um, and so, you know, call it, you know, 20 to$40,000 or 40,000 square foot chunks through the building. Um, and have multiple different employers that are in need of this type of space. So, with that, I'll stand for any questions.

Um, I'll start. Uh thanks everyone for explaining and making sure we understood at the the level that we're at. Um my questions were does this meet the commercial industrial setbacks? Yes, it does. That's one thing we also talk about. Yep. Um and then I think you explained that it's one big building but it can be divided into smaller sections. Yes, that's correct. There's two buildings. Both both buildings can be further demised. And so these buildings just how they're designed maybe I'm going to give you too much information but but suffice to say um these buildings are designed in basically a structural grid system. So it's every 50 ft they can be demised and even then they can be submised down to 20 they kind of you know further demised that way. Okay.

Um but a typical demising would be on the 50 foot uh on a 50oot bay. Okay. And then the environmental report covers the entire site, so not just around where the house was. Correct. Yes, those are my questions. Thank you. I'm assuming that parking space, parking lots are impervious. Yes, sir. What if they weren't uh much difference? uh related uh what if they weren't related to storm water management? What if they in particular storm water management?

So, we've I've actually looked at um there's a couple different products we could we've looked at in the past for this type of use. The trick is in our market, a pvious pavement is very difficult. And I'm not sure what your experience is too, Aaron, but our in our market a pvious pavement is very difficult to maintain. We have a lot um where if you're in like the a southern market without a free thaw cycle, they're util utilizing things like previous asphalt or different type of pavers. What happens with ours is we put salt and sand um in in a winter condition and it plugs up those systems and makes it very difficult to maintain. And so what ends up happening is we pay double for the pavement that we otherwise would have spent and we don't have any way to really maintain it. So, we don't have a viable system in it and we're not then we're not planned for an impervious surface condition because we're assuming that this pvious pavement would work and now we have real issues. And so, I would say it's atypical in our market. Um, it's not something that we're considering for this particular project given that we're able to accommodate the storm water management to the level that we've discussed. Um, but I understand your concern relative to storm water. Would it give us any advantage? I understand the difficulty of it.

Um, it can be maybe you're the better one.

At the end of the day, the underlying soils are still clay. So, it's going to still behave in the same way whether or not you use pvious pavement or filtration basins. The the end result is still is still going to be the same essentially. Um, just with how it would be designed. um just you know from my perspective without doing any calculations but that's that's how I interpret that and I would I would echo that comment that pvious pavement has been tough in northern climates. I also just want to point out that the parking on the site is pretty minimal in the grand scheme of it. Like this bay space is for a semi trucks to navigate. And I would say a pvious paver with a semi-truck is likely not compatible with the amount of trips that they would be doing in the space and the amount of wear that will happen in the center of the two buildings for the truck access. So I love the idea. I wish we could explore it further. I wish it could work well in Minnesota and maybe it could on a residential level, but on this application I would say it's not an option.

T you I I do have a few. Go ahead. I have to do Okay. Um so when I went back and um listened to our meeting from when you were here in July of last year and we had quite a lengthy discussion about the number of parking spaces and um at that point in time it was 568 and there was contemplation of is it 200 and whatever it was 70 per building or for the entire space and now you're here saying there's 550 540 270 per building.

So I just bring that up for my colleagues because I think that there was some concern about the just sheer number of parking spaces and if it was required. So I just bring that up for you guys to remind you of our conversation. Is some going away also because of the trail and the building shifting. Yeah. Yes. When we met in July of last year, there was 268 and now you're saying 550 or 540. So, we lost 28. I I'm not familiar with the exact loss from that date. I've not tracked that.

So, when we prior to us moving the trail, the parking on this area was double loaded. So, there were spaces on this side as well. So there has been a reduction in parking on the site. Josh, do you want to speak to a little bit about like employment and how the site will function?

Yeah. Part of the challenge with these buildings is that they they're likely going to be a multi-tenant user. So if we had if we were building a purpose-built like I have a corporate headquarters that's going here um that has uh distribution use and those kind of things, right? we have an idea of exactly how much office they'll need, exactly how much distribution space versus lab space versus etc etc etc. So when we're building these type of buildings that we need to have some flexibility when we're going out and having discussions with tenants, their question is how much parking do I got? You know, and it and they're not looking at it in the hole. They're saying how many parking stalls are next to my door in my or are able to have next to my door in a demised condition. And so when we're approaching this project and wanting to basically provide ourselves with enough flexibility to go seek, you know, two, three, four, five tenants per building, that conversation gets really difficult relative to parking. And so that's where we're seeing we might not build all these stalls, but I certainly need get them all approved from that level. Um, needing some flexibility knowing that I don't know if this is going to be a heavy office. m

a 10% 20% 30% office necess on an individual bay basis and all those affect the number of parking stalls that I need and so that's why you're seeing it this way okay it's not I if we could get away without building all the stalls that'd be amazing I don't want to build an extra you know because it's expensive a parking stall you know plus or minus 10 grand a stall you know in order to pave it drain it the whole works and so um but we also recognize that none of this works unless we can lease the building up and that's where we're coming up with this arrangement. Okay. I also concerned with too much or not enough? Yes. No, I think the concern last a year ago was there was too much. Right. Okay. Yeah.

I also want to share that the building or the parking is distributed throughout the site. So, it won't be a 500 like parking stall parking lot where it just feels like a sea of parking with it being distributed around the perimeter of the building. It's going to be cars parked around the space, not a a sea of them together. And one other thing with this particular building type, um, is we need to have access around the buildings just from a fire perspective. So, it's not like we're completely removing he was looking into my crystal ball. There's a mirror on the No. So, that was my next question. I'm assuming the fire department has looked at this and they can drive their trucks all the way around. Correct.

What about a future ladder truck? These radiuses are pretty well open. Yeah. Talk to the fire chief about that. That would be certainly something we'd address before final plat, I would imagine. So, yep. They got a ladder truck on their You should also know that Sherry is currently married to our interim fire chief. That's so That's fair. Okay. Um Okay. And then Erin, you mentioned that this would be uh not it's already annexed in, but it needs to be reszoned. Reson. Thank you. Um, but you said it was going to be reszoned industrial. It's not going to be reszoned industrial/commercial. Correct.

So, does that then prohibit future tenants, right? So, there can't be any commercial stuff in there if So, our commercial district or sorry, our industrial district allows for like officing and warehousing, which is consistent for this project. If this project wanted to go become a target, it would need to be in a true commercial district. So that would require reszoning at that time, but that's not anticipated for this site. Is your question could a commercial type user be located within this building? Yeah. Do you want to go for that one? Well, you you can you please tell me your ordinance.

Uh so it wouldn't be like a traditional store, right? someone would would be able to come up and probably pick up an order if it's a fabrication space, but it wouldn't be a place where you're going to shop for a product that is stocked in the space. So, it couldn't be a furniture wholesaler. Uh I would say wholesaling is leans more industrial than commercial. Like it could be a wholesaler but not a slumberland. Yeah. So, if it was originally zoned commercial industrial and we're supposed to follow our comp plan guided, why are we not following it?

Because we don't have a district that's commercial industrial right now. We have to choose one or the other. Now, every tenant, if they were using hazardous chemicals, would have to get a separate review. Correct.

Yes. And I'll also say that at the time like if tenants move in and then and they're there for a couple years, what happens when it changes? Like how does the city know what's happening in the space? So we have a change of use process that requires any end user to go through the Met Council sack determination, the sewer availability charge. So, if it goes from an office user with five people in it that doesn't generate a lot of sewer to um something that's a heavy water producer, a sack determination would would need to be done. A change of use would need to be done. I know that there can be concerns like the city approved it and then it kind of turns into the wild west that we're not tracking who's there. Anyone can move in, but through the change of use and then the sack determination, we're able to track who the end users are. We can also apply our parking ordinance then. So to make sure that we're still consistent with the amount of spaces that are needed for different types of users in our parking ordinance, that application can be made to the building.

Got it. Okay. So this will be reszoned industrial light pink purple. Yeah. But yes, so similar to Lake View. Okay. And then my only other comment was we talked about landscaping and my concern that when you're driving on JCP and you can see down the thorough fair between the buildings. Yes. Okay. And it looks like there's good landscaping there, but if it's trees, it isn't going to block that line of sight, right? Because the trees will be higher. So I don't know if there's those trees in that particular location are conifers. So they would be, you know, basically they're going to be blocked

blocking it. That's the intent. Yep. Yeah. That, you know, I just want to make sure visually it's got a nice appearance when you're driving and like welcome to our loading dock. Yeah. Looking down that long alley is going to be monstrous buildings. Yep. Understood. So we're Yeah, we we thought about that relative to the type of trees we're using there. Yeah. Yeah. It needs to be heavily blocked. We're not looking at that.

I also believe that this site's going to sit higher than the road, too. So, you're not going to have as like it's not going to be you looking down over a sea. I think you're that sight's going to sit higher and so it's not going to be a direct line. And even more reason why these conifers would be effective because the bulk of that plant material is going to be at eye level or above. The the building pads sit about right now as shown about 8 feet higher than the road. So it you won't be able to like see like down the and the reason for that being really about that we need some depth to get this pond these ponds in place. That's why that site's getting raised. We would love not to bring in all that fill but you took it out and now you're going to put it back in. Yeah.

What's happening to put it back in? Yeah, that's right. Just different fill. I wish Yeah, I wish it was the same. Yeah. Yeah. That that's my last comment is just making sure that we're not looking down a semi alleyway there. You got it. Yep. Anything for you, Lincoln? No. Okay, Reed. Uh, okay. Uh, Erin, what was the initial trigger for the environmental assessment? Was it just the property area, right? Anything over a certain acreage or So, is the building size proposed square foot?

So, state statute has a trigger for residential, commercial, industrial projects. So, this project tipped over the square footage that said it was mandatory. a city or a local government agency can require a voluntary EAW or you work through that process even for a project that's smaller, but this project specifically triggered one on its own that it was mandator mandatory. Yep. Okay. And then I don't know if this is a Erin or um so when we talk about soil remediation um my thinking is the general idea is you test the soil find it's contaminated start digging test it again check and as long as you find contamination you basically digging right so dig

vertically and horizontally I presume right so so when you finished out the the soil sampling you know whatever the area where that uh tank was. You basically started digging as far until you until you measure the cont or until the engineering samples came back. No detectable contamination relative to you know the baseline or whatever. Right. So that's correct. As far as anyone can test there's you know that's what that's what we understand the broad report to say. Yep. That's my impression as well. Just start digging until you don't find it. Okay.

And the other thing too just to recognize is that process in order to like where that soil goes is highly regulated. how they move that soil is highly regulated like that whole process has you know designations from the MPCA and how that actually occurs. Okay. Um and then um you know adding the significant landscaping um I assume does the city require sprinkler systems or who would be maintaining the landscapes? Um presumably the buildings would be owned by a larger company organization that would manage you know the landscaping and snow plowing and that stuff right is there I went opposite. I was thinking you meant fire suppression but you're talking irrigation. Irrigation yes

we will be using irrigation here. Yes. And it will be, to your point, the buildings will be owned and maintained by one entity. So it's not like you're going to have like, you know, whatever the demising is where the maintenance occurs. It's going to be one entity. Okay. Exactly. The whole sitewide. Excellent. Um and then uh I guess my only concern about potential tenants would be um like I don't know a large not Amazon but distribution. Does the city have a limit on number of like overhead doors or bays per square foot or anything and that kind of or is it No, not in this district. Not in this district. Okay. I can but I can I can maybe address your concern is one of the things that we studied within the AW was an assumed amount of trips. Ah okay.

So if we're drastically departing from the EW, we would have to restudy that. Reset that. So basically we're incentivized to stay within the boundary of what we committed to within the AW. Okay. And then again your experience as developer predict this is you know whatever traffic like some percentage office some percentage warehousing manufacturing and again a user might do officing manufacturing and warehousing in the same thing but that's fine it makes sense to go and how and how just just again like

I'm just because I understand your concern I think is so when we're doing traffic studies for well for anything but particularly when the EAW is we have to stress test all of it right so It's yeah, we're going to make an assumption that it's let's call it 15% office across these buildings, but then you basically are looking at kind of mean, median, mode of those kind of what the traffic generation would be on all of that. Um, and then um I think I believe on this one actually, you know, because it triggered a signal, then we had to go through signal warrants on this kind of thing. And so it's that's that those assumptions are heavily baked into what we're allowed to accomplish with this site. Okay. And then what what's a micro brewery uh classified in our code? Would that be a

um I would say production of it? Yes. Okay. It's like a tap room. No. I'm just curious. Yeah. If this planning commission and council would like to have more uses allowed within an industrial facility, we would welcome it. I think so. Okay. Um yeah, that's all I had. Thanks. Did we cancel commercial? We don't. So we don't have that district established. That's through the code that work that we're doing. So we don't have we have a commercial, we have freeway commercial, we have central business district and then we have an industrial district. So the this project most closely aligns with our industrial district in that commercial industrial mix. So for future when we're redoing that book, we should create one. We uh which book

whatever you were saying the code. Yes. Yeah, that's what we're working at. That's our code work that we've been doing for a hundred years. Yes. Once it's built, can it come back and be reszoned?

We could. Yeah. If if uh like if the commercial industrial district specifically opened up uh XYZ users at United Properties wanted to use that space, reszone a resoning application is an option at any time. So, if someone wanted to say, "I want to change my property's use," it would need to go through the planning commission and city council have a public hearing. Um, but if United Property said, "We're seeing a lot of uh spaces that want to lean more commercially. We'd like to review the process." That absolutely could be an application we'd review. Okay. You can to get a variance to go from commercial to industrial. Uh, it wouldn't be a variance. It' be a resone. Yep. Um, when once we create that?

Yeah. someday when I get to that on my list. Um, with the removal of all the trees in our ordinance, do is it the ordinance the same regardless of what it is zoned or going to be zoned? Uh, the 60% threshold holds true across the districts. Yes. Okay. Um, great questions for our discussion. Um, I'm thinking I should maybe open the public hearing. Yeah. I just wanted to get through some of that before in case some questions were answered. So, is there something I'm supposed to read about a public hearing? The public hearing is now open. Yeah, that's good.

Anyone who wants to present can come and state their name. That worked. That was totally fine. That works. Don't go fuse me. Don't go too far in case you have to answer the question. You're waiting for your turn. As excited as Josh is about the project, I'm kind of on the opposite side of that. So, will you make sure you turn on that microphone with the green light? There's a button. An address for just gently touch right above the yellow button.

There you go. It's okay. Uh I am Mark Lano. I own the property just south of uh of u my address is 1815 Levi Griffin Road and I've uh it's been a long time Mayor Wagon since uh I've sat up uh and discussed projects uh with you is I sent a letter. I don't know if anybody had a chance to uh to uh read that. I tried to put my primary concerns down uh to paper. Um I don't like the idea of this being pushed from a commercial use to a industrial use. I think that Carver is selling the area short. Uh the time will come when you're going to need and want more commercial area. Uh, and Lake Hindustries took a good chunk of it. This is taking a good chunk of what was originally the freeway commercial district. So, I I think you're being uh pennywise and pound foolish by putting a uh industrial use on this site. All my neighbors are asking for grocery stores, exercise places, uh restaurants. Nobody's asking for warehouses. uh warehouses usually would be tucked away someplace where they're not seen. You don't have to worry about the sight line of down and so forth because you you put those where where people don't want to see them. So again is my concern is that that uh um you're reducing the the potential and by doing so then it devalues my property. So, it's costing me uh to have an industrial site now at the border, the northern border of my

property. That's a main concern. Second concern is on the contamination. Uh my wife is battling cancer. Uh the woman who lived on the property died of cancer. Our neighbor on the 10acre parcel that lived there for years, she died of cancer. And one of our neighbors straight across on in the Chesa part of it is also suffering from cancer. So my wife is concerned is oh my gosh is the water is the contamination is that what has driven this small core of women right there that are suffering from this horrible disease. So the report was wonderful but was long is to try and read through the the uh entire uh uh report on it. The thing I guess I didn't see was a lot of analysis of the water. I went over there when they were removing the soil remediation and right in the middle of the huge hole and they were going down and they were going out was the well casing for the for their well. right in the middle of it. And a well casing is a great conduit to carry liquids. It'll follow the casing either vertically or even horizontally will follow the casing. So has this uh fuel contamination gotten down into the water table and that has affected all of us are on wells the four properties and thus would that be the you know the end result is why these people are suffering from from cancer. So again, my wife is dealing with that is uh and that's a big concern for me with with uh uh what we were seeing on the property over there. And

then the last thing on the uh the water storm water is 212 built a or mind built a new freeway across my property. They retained my field tile lines, the 6- inch diameter tile that went under my property at the time and helped drain the the farm field. And when they built the highway, I made sure that that was kept intact so that the highway didn't essentially block the water from flowing off of off of my property. Well, that tile system was large enough to handle my property. So, Fleet Farm built. So, now they put retention ponds in. And the retention ponds weren't going to be a big problem. And the analogy I use when we talk about these new the way the retention ponds are dealt with today is that and you talk about the same you know the water that fell on the property is is uh no more water can run off of it than historically. Well take two sixoot ladders step ladders put a five gallallon pail of water on top of each one. fill it with full of water, stand under one of them, take the five gallon pail and dump it on you. You're soaking wet, but the bucket was empty almost immediately and you start drying out a minute later. Take the other bucket and drill a 5/16 hole in it. same amount of water, but now you've got that stream of water that's running on top of your head. When

are you going to dry out? Never. And that's what's happening. So the mi the fleet farm pond has the I call it leakage constantly running out of the retention pond running onto my property when it's relatively dry and we have if you have a dry spring the tile system on my property can handle that. But you get a a wet spring and my water and that water can't handle it. Lake View Industries built I came to the planning commission meeting and I said my concern is I can't handle more water coming. Well, built a retention pond, dump it in the Levi Griffin or a Commerce Drive or whatever it's called. Down the storm water and guess where it pours out? Right onto my property. the tile on my property can't handle it. So now I've got farmable land that no longer is farmable because I have more water coming onto my property than what my tile system can handle. No adjustment was made to, you know, to handle that. Again, the analogy of the step ladder with the five gallon buckets on, we get a 2-in rain. I'm fine with that because it runs down through the grass waterway. It catches the 5-ft diameter drain pipe under the freeway. The analogy, dump it all at once, it starts drying out. But if you want to leak it and leak it and leak it, the the small hole in the bucket, the tile system can't handle it. And thus, I've got property that doesn't dry out until midsummer. Well, you can't

plant corn or soybeans in the middle of the summer. So now I see this and I see two retention ponds along Commerce Drive. And guess what? I'm dollars to donuts. The leakage is going to go right into the Commerce Drive storm water. And guess where it's going to go? Right onto my property. More water coming down there. So what am I supposed to do? So, I think those are all great feedback. So, to address the first one, um, health fitness is allowed, which I think is great because that's not something I would like to see in that location. Also, um, and it is industrial, but option to reszone. Um, any concerns with traffic since you live and right there?

Well, you know, Levi Griffin Road used to be in my driveway. Yeah. So, the traffic was my wife's in my car driving in. So that was fine.

We recognized we recognized when Fleet Farm came in and I I don't know, Jim knows it. I was I had my property under contract with Walmart at the time that Fleet Farm uh was building and then 2008 came and and and uh they pulled back and Fleet Farm decided they wanted to uh to build and and I was gracious enough to to allow my driveway to be built into Levi Griffin Road to satisfy Fleet Farm coming in because I was told, you know, Fleet farm. If you let if we can get Fleet Farm built, we've got an good uh knowledge that Walmart would be back. Well, that was 17 18 years ago. So, so, uh, I deal with the traffic that's there now, and I recognize that there's going to be more and more traffic, but if it was uh, commercial type uses, retail commercial, that ultimately will drive my property is I recognize, okay, I have to suffer through this until some buyer comes along for mine. But if Walmart comes back, I don't think they're going to want big warehouses alongside of them. They want to be within a community of retail. Now, I looked it up. Walmart's building 25 new stores this year. Costco's building 35. And you know, so their big boxes are still being built. And uh back when the freeway was announced, chamber of commerce meeting, all the excitement about what's going to happen to the southwest metro once the new freeway is built. And Dave Pakornney, former city manager of Chaza, said, "Oh

my gosh, the most valuable land in all the southwest is at the intersection of Jonathan Carver Parkway and 212. So, let's not give away that opportunity when you can put big box warehouses when you put those in the backyard someplace, not right in the front yard. But, but nobody came in and wanted to build it with commercial. I mean, it's not that we said you can't come in because we want to build warehouses. Well, let's be careful with that because if my wife was here,

she would she she was death when and if you read if you read my letter back in the day, my in the land north of 212 was guided to go to the city of Chaza. No, it wasn't. Yes, it was. City of Chaza had that road as its border as its western border at the time but in their planning for the future be and beyond their true plan. No they they were so Jim you told me that it was you were I did not tell you that. Yes it was.

I don't think we're going to come to resolution on this. I think we maybe have different accounts. Well, just as example, CASA has just finally got uh water and sewer in that area. They couldn't have done anything there prior to Well, we could What is the corner because I know we've had them who owns the corner property, not you, but the developers the property owner right now. It's called Aiden. And then I'm going to pull up. Well, my property was the corner back before the highway was built. So, correct. So, there there's one additional piece. So, this is Mark's piece here in red. And then there's about a 10 acre piece here. It's the opponent piece.

Yeah. Yep. That that large piece on the opposite side of the road, east side, Chaza site, gets its utilities from Carvin. Yeah. Yeah, they they couldn't provide it. The Mindot facility. Yeah, they could not provide it. They did not have the utility. I'm not arguing that. I'm just saying as you look back in the late 90s that the city of Jaza's comprehensive plan was that eventually they would move west north of 212 and west of Jonathan Carver. So, what is our comp plan? Because that's what this map is from, right? Correct.

It's in 2030. We do another one. Yes, we'll start work on it um 2026. Okay. So, I think that's something we need to discuss is how do we get because we have commercial industrial dark purple in here, but we can't zone anything that because we don't have the the guidelines for it.

Yep. And then I uh I absolutely agree that commercial and carbur are starting to take off like the United Properties piece on the south side of 212, the Quick Trip Daycare, Moamaki Leashwab. um that site is beginning to take off and it's uh a limited commercial node that we have there. There are a couple more in our growth area. So the north area here that'll be adjacent to Victoria, the intersection at 43 and then the split to Jordan. But that absolutely is going to be part of our comp plan discussion. Do we need more commercial? Where should it be? What type of commercial? So all of this is apppropo to the time. It's the work that we do here with the comp plan. So,

have have you told any developers that they cannot put grocery store in?

No. And to be honest, that's something we work on constantly at a staff level. Uh, United Properties on the Southside just did a market study about a year ago for a grocery store, and the data shows that we're pretty ripe for a grocery store. It's finding the end user. So, we reach out to them fairly frequently, uh, both national and local. So we reach out to the hi's the Aldi's but also the Mac and tons out of Wakonia. So it's something uh I really hope can happen in Carver soon. It's not just a wish of residents, it's a wish for staff too. So now another question. Um industrial

would you expect better salaries from an industrial project than from a commercial product? I don't know. And I don't know if salary is important to us just on a tax user basis like the salary doesn't impact the investment of a building typically.

I will say um the amount of industrial development that we get inquiries for is high. People are looking for demisable space. Chesa just had a really successful project um where they were able to break down space in a similar manner. So, uh, I would say any development on Levi Griffin right now is going to increase property values throughout the corridor. So, getting, um, like Levi Griffin Road had a pretty heavy road assessment on it. So, getting that paid back to the city is important with this project. Uh, but I would say development on the site of commercial or industrial type is going to continue to spur development in this general stretch of land. And United Properties does have the option if they find someone who is commercial um to come back in.

Yeah, United Properties or anyone has the right to buy property and ask that we reszone it for a commercial user. Um so going on to the next thing with the contamination and environmental assessment um question is that just soil they look at is it soil, water, air? I don't know. I'd say Josh is probably best best suited. And while while he's joining us, like the thing that I've been thinking a lot about is the depth that they dug to and stopped seeing contamination didn't hit the water table. So Erin, can you say in general, what's the depth of the water table in Carver?

Well, the wells are I mean, for example, our our city wells up there are, you know, three, four, 500 feet deep. You know, well four is I think 500 feet. So, I don't know what what the other private wells are in the area, but they're they're likely not surface wells, you know, just because the groundwater isn't present that high. Yeah. Mine for mine is down 300 Yeah. 50 ft or so with a pump down at 200 feet. So, they couldn't continue to find contamination and just walk away from it. Okay. So they dug I think he he's raising a point that the well pipe pipe the well casing could be a conduit for

the well casing was right in the middle of the place that was cleaned out. So did we we but we didn't test the water. Does the city test its water? Right. So we the city wells are tested yearly, right? Or that's a private well. Sure. But presumably if the contamination is there for 50 years or however long that house was there, right, it would not hypothesis theoretically if it is. Right.

Mark, what you're saying is your hypothesis is that because the well casing was in the the location of where that tank was leaking, there's an hypothesis that it went down. Well, again, I've got a wife who's been battling cancer and it's an ugly disease. I'm really sorry to hear. It's an ugly fight to go through. So, she's scared and and when we saw trucks and trucks and trucks

hauling material, what in the world is going on over here? And she, you get over there. So, I went over there and I asked the contractor, "What in the world are you doing here? We're remediating a oil spill." And I said, "My gosh." And I looked down the hole and I said, you know, it had to be a thousand or 10,000 gallon tank. Oh, no. It was a tank in the basement for this. And he said, we we've remediated fuel gas stations and removed less material than here. So, it was a big amount of product went out. And again looking at it and seeing the well casing sticking up like a sword right up the middle of the hole

and I just looked at gez could it possibly have you know carried down. So if I don't know if that well well is probably not operational anymore. I don't know if I can like it is there anything that we can do to from the water standpoint? Well, you could you could have your well tested. Have you had it tested?

I I guess I should. Yes. And I started thinking about I think Harbor I think the well that's over by Fleet Farm went down 700 ft or something like that because they went down into a lower aquifer. I remember that they had to get permission to go deeper than the Jordan aquafer I think is what the normal I think that's what I'm on with my wellwater I think. can't remember the name of but I think they had to go down a couple of hundred feet and I'll say through this project that wall will no longer be used they'll connect to city water the soil remediation has been completed so I don't think from a staff level you have no worries about

moving forward no do I have concerns about what was on the site previously as a human yeah like the soil was contaminated and at the end of the day I don't know what that led to which is unfortunate and I totally understand when someone in your life is struggling to want to be able to figure out what happened and why is this happening but through the approvals of this project I don't think we can require that they go and test the aquifer based on the hypothesis that maybe contamination traveled down a well that's going to be sealed and not used during development of this project

and I understand that but again I when I leave here. I I go home to my real boss and and she'll ask is, you know, what do they say about that? I pled my I, you know, pled my case on that. So,

and I totally get it that it's so hard and then to learn that a site adjacent to you was contaminated. Like, you start to connect those dots and wonder and think about it late at night. But based on the remediation that was completed and the fact that that well will no longer be in use and that will connect to city water that will be tested, the cleanup of the site was significant. And I'm confident that moving forward the contamination will not reoccur. And I guess one thing, another point I should make is it was interesting is the history on, you know, that was originally an 80 acre parcel, the Walter Close Farm. And uh so you got the 30 acres on the north end that got broke off and and the the the single house there, you have the original homestead, and then you've got me in the middle. And during the the buildout processes, the original uh homestead, the 10 acre part, the opadam piece, that's where the water was. Then a building was built on my property and water was was piped from the original property to that bu to my building. Well, then when Jim Zer built the new house on the 30 acres, the one that you guys tore down, he ran a water line from his well all the way to the shed to support his cattle and so forth he had there. But the the water line to the old one was left in place. Well, here comes Mark Lano and I build my house. And so now I want to I want to run my water to my shed because I purchased a shed with when I purchased the land. And so they decid so why don't I just tee into that line so that way if any of us have well problems we just

have to do a combination of opening and closing valves and we can and and it has turned out over the years we've each kind of gave each other water when we had well problems. So again, my wife's concerned, well, that line from Peterson's, you know, runs to our property and, you know, that's where the contamination could have come and so forth. And great, great knowledge of Carver. And if she wants to call me, I'll say you did a good job. You tried your best. Um, and then the last comment was regarding the retention ponds. Um, and

yeah, that's actually well, that's what my biggest concern. So Erin, do you want to address that? If again, putting in my layman's term, are the pipes big enough to get the stuff out? They're all sized properly. I think Mark has probably a different concern than than like pipe sizing. Oh, hello. the the pipes are all sized um to handle the tenure rain event which is standard pipe sizing and and what's required for the CCWMO rules. So that's not an issue. So is it more the slow drainage of the retention ponds versus

it's the five gallon pail with the with Yeah. with the small hole. Yeah. Mr. concern is the how long it takes to for the water to finally get released like totally out of the site because as you recall the the rates can't go faster. So

you need to slow them down and that all works into controlling the volume too. So it's it's a trickle effect that takes longer for that process to all work from a from an engineering standpoint. So that's that's kind of the reality when when you're meeting the rate and volume requirements that are set forth. So there's really not a good good solution to that. But when you look at that, I don't know, blue purple section, the arrow is going directly into his property. That's going to the opponent property. The the blue Oh, okay.

Yeah. The red the red is the piece that would that routes around and ultimately makes it way south to Mr. Lano's okay property. And there's the two retention ponds on the west side. And I suspect that the

and and I was told that retention ponds today can't be a closed pond. They have to leak out so the water stays fresh. So you've got the five gallon pail with the hole in and uh and it has to leak somewhere and unfortunately is as you this development happens around me they're all leaking onto my property and at that slow leaking process. It makes my property wet. If it if you dump the bucket it it would run down the the waterway and and under the freeway and be gone. But it's not doing that. And that's how do you solve that problem? How you know and address that issue for me? So I don't have now more acreage that is is because I'm heaven forbid that someone's going to come along and declare and I've never had wetlands on my property that of the 25 acres I have left that somebody's going to come along and say, "Oh jeez, there is wetlands there we forgot to to to mark." And now all of a sudden I've got 2 acres or 5 acres or 10 acres of wetlands and my properties and that land is worth nothing. So now my my propertyy's depreciated even more.

So does this come back to the point that when I question like the thing is to the north United Properties is covering themselves on the the drainage and it doesn't go to the next person. Correct. So, it seems to be happening correctly to the north, but to the south it doesn't. It's the same situation to the north.

Okay. And like Fleet Farm and Lake View both had the same requirements. Um, I wasn't here when Fleet Farm went through, so I can't speak specifically if the CCWMO rules were the same, but Lake View is in the same rule book that this project will be. So any additional feedback comments?

It has changed that previously he was handling water from farm fields adjacent to him that moved slower than what water does coming off built sites. I don't think um unless it pops up to be uh like a protected wetland that a developer wouldn't be able to mitigate water on that site to be able to build the pipes needed to move water the same way that Fleet Farm, Lake View, and United Properties will. So, I don't I'm not I'm not anxious from my perspective about water moving on that site when it develops because they'll be required to install the same things that these folks are, the storm water ponds, the infiltration basins. It will work that way. Um, my feedback on this specifically is United Properties isn't tied to the leakage that might be having from Fleet Farm or Lake View Industries. So, I would ask that your review of this project is independent from the feedback we've gotten about that. And frankly, I don't know if there's a solve for it that will come up with this in this room. Um, just knowing not knowing enough about the CCWMO rules, like we can absolutely engage with the watershed district and talk through the approvals of Flee Farm and Lake View and what did it look like and is it functioning the way we expected to, but that's independent from the application by United Properties tonight.

So, thank you for bringing it to our attention and it will be followed up on. Okay. Is that the right answer? Yeah, we'll try for sure. I don't know if we'll come to a great solution, but we'll try. Okay. Any other public comments? Thank you for your time. I just I just have one question that that came up as you talk about the property to the north of it. My understanding is that the school district purchased 20 acres from the Wikon on the south end of the Wicker property. Correct. For uh a bus garage.

Uh will those buses um go directly onto Jonathan Carver or are they going to be funneled down to this new uh intersection and then ask my house. Uh the main access will be from Commerce Drive. Long-term it might change where Wikcinhouser um the site with the bus garage and then Wikenhouser could connect north to Big Woods, but without knowing what happens on the remainder of that 60 acres, we can't make that determination right now.

And does does school district give any indication when they want to develop that? No, they've been working on it for a while. Um, but they'll have to run through the same processes, annexation, um, zoning, platting, etc. So, I would say even if they started that process today, uh, dirt probably couldn't be moved in 26 just based on the work that would be need to be done. So, wasn't there a referendum previously for a bus garage and it didn't pass? Yes. was a there was a big referendum with the school district. Correct. Part of it. Correct. Yep.

So, anyway, I appreciate you reading my letter I sent and then listening to my concerns and and uh I'll look forward to uh them being resolved. Yeah. No, thank you for the feedback. When that gym goes in, we can work out together. Oh, yeah. Thanks, Mark. More likely the restaurant when it gets built. I'll join you there. Um, so we can close the public hearing and then if I Oh, I guess I had one quick followup question for the developer game. Sorry, I forgot your name. And you can you can close the public hearing and then we can continue. Go ahead. Let's move to close the public. Close the public hearing, but Natalie, you can't record it right now. Oh. Oh, thank you, Mr. Lotto.

Okay. Thank you. Oh, I I it was just um you know following up on uh you know the city doesn't choose what to develop, right? And presumably the developer has experience and knows the market of what what is profitable, what will be scalable. Um so correct me if I'm making any you know obviously you did the you know let me let me phrase it as a question. So what was a process to determine the use for the site? Like you know do a market survey responses from interested parties and kind of just in general maybe or this site specific.

Absolutely. Yeah. So we um United Properties had taken on a market study for the kind of

the broader Southwest metro when we first started this project. And so this this site when it became available and I'd say late winter early spring of 2024 um is kind of when we started looking at it working through contracts and you know that whole process and so then the process from kind of there to now be just separate of all the other processes with it relative to the city on the leasing side is you know engaging with um different broker teams that are looking for specific tenants. So, tenant rep brokers. Um, and so, you know, if you know any of those folks in the market, they're shopping this site, you know, in terms of, you know, potential tenants for for this building. So, okay.

Um, the the process, I mean, it's obviously not as simple as like, hey, show up, see industrial, build industrial. Um, there's a lot kind of behind the scenes in terms of running those numbers. And, you know, it's not something that's insignificant. And I mean to date, I don't know the number in terms of pre-development spend in terms of studies and whatnot, but I would guess it's probably over $200,000 that this developer is kind of invested to make sure that this is a viable project and something they want to take on. Okay. So, I think that if if the chair wouldn't mind, could I also read the the summary that we were sent on the the soil remediation piece if it's helpful? Is it 400 pages? No. No, the summary. Okay.

Okay. So, and I just just more for the record, but also like I get it. I understand that situation. I would probably how would you not draw some sort of conclusion that way? But what we're leaning on is the professionals that we're literally on site every day watching this excavation. That was significant. And so, um, here's what the summary was. Approximately 3100 yards, 4746.12 tons, that specific of contaminated soils were excavated to depths up to 35 ft below original ground surface and transported to a permitted disposal facility. As excavation progressed, field readings were utilized to guide extensive excavation while base and sidewall soil analytical samples were collected to confirm that remedial excavation extents removed all impacted soil associated with the identified release in this case the bea leakage. Uh following completion of the excavation, all soil analytical results did not detect DRRO or diesel range organics or VOCC's volatile organic compounds at or above applicable regulatory limits confirming that the impacts have been removed from the site. Depth to groundwater is published to be more than 10 ft beyond the deepest identified contamination. Based on the removal removed soil impacts and the lack of evidence of groundwater within the extents of impacts, it is Brun Intertech's opinion that no further action appears warranted with respect to groundwater conditions at this site and the identified release. Similarly is Bronn Intertek's opinion that no further action is warranted with respect to potential for soil vapor impacts without an identified source.

Oh, okay. So that's that's what we're relying on and you know these the gentleman that that prepared this report had to sign it as a professional geologist in the state of Minnesota. But if there is a problem that sounds like they interconnected some of their piping. That is a whole different issue that I'm not going to we today. Um and certainly something that um I think the folks in this room might want to plug their ears about. So um they're in the township. We're okay. Yeah. There we go. Um, so yeah, I I'm open for any additional questions, obviously. Um, I I understand Mr. Leno's concern. I don't think there's any further questions. We good, Reed? Good.

No, good. Okay. Um, can I get a motion to approve the resoning to industrial? I move. Do we have to close the meeting? Uh, I already closed it. Natalie was in the room, but I'm got it. I move to recommend approval of reszoning and preliminary plat for 212 West Business Center. Is this one motion or two motions? Okay. Okay. Thanks, Re. Sure. Second. I'll second. Thank you. Um any further discussion? All in favor? I opposed. Motion carries. Thank you for that wonderful discussion. Um thank you. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you all. Thank you. Um, any further communications? I have one if you don't mind.

Yeah, I want to talk about the Enclave quick. New housing. The what? The Enclave. The Dr. Horton project. Okay.

Okay. So, uh, we reviewed this concept plan late winter, early spring. So, this is the Dr. Horton project on the former Lensen property west of the preserve, west of Timber Creek. So, it's uh we talked a lot about the park in this project and the city council appreciated your feedback and shared similar feedback concerns about it being tucked away uh like a park built for yes, just a couple folks. So, there's a closer view of it and then what parking would look like in the culdeac. So, obviously if people are coming to use that park, they're probably going to park in front of people's houses which can be problematic long term. So, from the time that you reviewed the concept plan, the city council reviewed the concept plan, um staff and the development team had the opportunity to walk the site. So, we were able to uh trump around, see what it looked like, uh just experience the site to figure out how things were laying out. And, uh something that is really impactful to the site is the trail system. So, it runs from Timber Creek through this site around this southernmost culde-sac in the enclave. You can see it on the screen now. So trail connection into this park is fantastic, but we recognized that the general layout of the park and the street weren't going to likely move forward in a successful way at the city council level. So um with the support of Dr. Horton and the staff team, we've done some really significant changes to the park area. I would ask that you don't think about the parking lot right now. Um they had several park uses in this space and the parking lot complemented it at that time. We asked them to scratch all uses in there just so we could think about it collectively as a group, but they left the parking lot, which is totally fine. I think they wanted to show that there could be a parking lot. It's just a funny shape in a funny configuration now. But you'll see that Dr. Horton is moving forward with taking some of the lots off that culde-sac to make the views from the street more accessible so people will

understand that there is a park there and then provide parking with full trail access into the site. Uh the closest parks to this development are Ironwood uh and then Olsen Park which is in Copper Hills. I did some uh math before the city council and both of those parks are over a mile away from this development. So based on the 530ish additional homes that are going to be added, a park is important here. Just understanding that people are going to want some type of feature. So uh the city council was favorable for this change. You can see the previous version on top with the culde-sac with just that one access and then the bottom that shows the uh park spanning a much more significant area with parking views from the street etc. So uh this is the version that we're likely moving forward with that they'll move forward with for preliminary plat. And then uh just a heads up that the city council is going to do a review of the parks master plan at their September 15th work session. They uh we've been thinking a lot about the downtown park, the landing, the park and the enclave, a potential underpass that might be required in Summergate, the Summerfield neighborhood that's south of town. So, this group will be tasked with reviewing the park's master plan, uh revising it a bit, thinking about the park dedication requirements. So, I just wanted to give you an update and an FYI that the developer staff and the city council are generally supportive of moving forward with this change to this area to alleviate concerns that folks had about parking and access into the park. So,

would this be considered a city park or a like it development park? This would be a city park. Any other further communication? Um, unless you have questions, I don't have anything. I just want to mention uh we have a senior discussion group community center and on uh September 11th we're going to have Aaron Ratzky from the school. You just made me so nervous. I was like what did I agree to? I sign up today talking about that. Yeah. All the errands. I would be I'd be happy to come but that was my radar. Everybody in Carver County is Aaron.

Yeah. Or Aaron. Um, so if you're interested in coming, is there an age limit? 10 10 a.m. for the seniors. We don't check ID. Okay, perfect. And on the 25th of September, we're having uh Courtney. So, if you want to hear the mayor has a chance. I have a couple questions. Um, what's the status on the dog park? Because our last meeting in the minutes, it said it was going to be done in July. I know. It's also rain. Yes. And they like to dig holes there, too.

Yeah. So, we're anticipating that the dog park and pickle ball will open the next couple weeks. I will say that the amount of grass that you see outside of the park will probably leave something to be desired just based on the amount of rain it won't establish. So the use of like general grass area will be limited, but we'll be able to open the pickle ball in Docker Park specifically. Grass. What's that? That was seated. That's not weeds. It has not been seated yet. Oh, has not been seated yet. That was temporary. So

we have to do all the permanent seating. Um the biggest thing is we did the and you may may or not be aware we did a sewer extension to get out of the park. Um and that took place in July and that took a lot longer than they had planned just because of the deep sewer and the water that was down there. So it was really slow going. So, they just got that done a couple weeks ago and then um they're rebuilding the park park access road to go into the site and that took a long time because it was so wet that it took a while to get it to set up. Okay. And is that going to be a road? Yes.

Okay. It's a very unanimous yes. Um when the park's plan is reviewed at the September 15th meeting, I know the future part of that park was disc golf, will that be reconsidered? It could be. Um, we don't have that slated in our 10-year CIP plan for our parks. Okay. So, it's a ways out.

It's a ways out. Yes. So, I would say that's a uh the disc golf is probably a placeholder right now. I don't think I want to make decisions on changing it at this point just knowing how far out it is that if in 10 years we start thinking about it, I'd like to have the discussion in 10 years instead of having it now just with how things can change, needs can change. Well, that was my concern, too, because I know Chesca put a survey out because they're putting a park very near harbor and it's going to be large and it's like you don't want to have the same facilities in both locations. I didn't know if it was an option to change disc golf. Um, some of my neighbors have been trying to convince me I don't think they must think I have control over anything. Um, to do a bike something. Yeah. Pump track.

Single path. Yeah. Single. Yep. Okay. Single track. It's a mountain biking term. It just means unpaved. Yeah. An unpaved bike path intended for use by a single bicycle at a time. Okay. And that I've heard that feedback as well. I will say that's probably like the flattest part of Carver the least desirable place for us. But no, like if you want to share with your neighbors, we've heard that feedback. It's on our radar somewhere. I'll also say that the comp plan has a parks and trails component. So even before we start thinking about what that area could be, we'll have a pretty extensive community engagement piece of the comp plan to learn what people are thinking about looking for, etc.

Is there a parks planning group? Um there was it's shifted to the planning commission. It is us. Oh, fabulous. Yeah. Cool. We discussed that at our strategic planning meeting in gosh March. Yeah. if we wanted to recreate the parks and basically we decided it was better for you guys to handle the overall plan and then have the community organizations ad hoc as individual parks come up for specific amenities. Right. Yeah, planning you guys will be our touch point for things like should we have a park here?

We decide to have a park there, then we would have some sort of ad hoc community organization that would say what should the amenities be? What exactly are we looking for? That's what should look like that kind of engagement. And the parks master plan will guide you. It won't just be like this group feels strongly that a park should be there. We have search areas identified in the parks master plan. So spaces we know there should be a community scale park identified. So we'll dial into those. But with the amount of review that you do of a project, you review the parks at this level already. Do you want feedback on that enclave one or uh it was more of an FYI. We're going to keep moving in that direction. I don't like it. It's a parking just being honest.

I'll just tell you I think it's in the worst place. Okay, that's I that is feedback that we can take. Um, it is not central that development at all and I think it's the worst place that could be put. I think with that trail system, I will absolutely respect your decision, but I think with the trail system, it's going to open up to some other developments in Timber Creek. But I will take your feedback and stop talking about it. Any other comments, feedback, occasions? I have a couple.

Okay. Uh so just a FYI um the Marty Walsh who is the current director of the Carbo County Parks is doing a stage retirement. So he will be retiring from that job who he's he's held it for very long time. I don't know 20 some years or longer. Uh so I'm on the car park board. That's kind of sad to see him go, but um I think the counties can pick a new replacement. And then again with the uh rain and the river flooding, the Miriam Junction Trail has obviously um progress has slowed construction on that considerably. Uh I think our last update was they had finished work on the abupments on either side, but obviously since the river flooded, they can't get any work uh down there. Hopefully uh the rain holds off so they can get some more work done. And they had to clear a log jam.

And they clear the giant log jam. That was kind of a fun video to watch. Yeah. Nate. Yeah. So anyway, that's all I had. Anything? No. Okay. I get a motion to adjurnn. I move to adjurnn. I will second. All in favor? I I We don't have to vote on. We're good. We're out. Okay. We No.