Zoning Board of Appeals - Regular Meeting
The Zoning Board of Appeals discussed an ADO installation that was previously rejected, leading to the applicant's intent to sue. A significant portion of the meeting was dedicated to a debate about increasing the current 700-square-foot limit for accessory structures, with board members suggesting larger minimums to accommodate modern needs. A site visit and a follow-up meeting were scheduled.
About this meeting
- Government Body
- Zoning Board of Appeals
- Meeting Type
- Zoning Board Of Appeals
- Location
- Carver, MA
- Meeting Date
- September 3, 2026
Transcript
37 sections
Yes, good. After a break of 6 to 7 minutes, we started the meeting again. Thank you for giving us a break, and I think you did too. What would you like to proceed with? Regarding the demonstration. Yes, we still want to install an ADO. Yes, you can do that. If you want to install an ADO, you must proceed based on the already submitted ADO plan. Yes, that's right. And it was rejected by the director of architecture. That's right. Then, the committee on the right doesn't consider the other options you chose or mentioned, right? Yes, I'll sue the ADO installation. Yes. Then, Mr. Dol. 시위 외에 질문하실 내용을 미리 준비해 주시겠습니까? 내일 미리 보내드리겠습니다. 네. 곧 긴 연휴가 있으니. 미리 준비해 주시면 오늘 밤에 보내드리겠습니다. 네. 정말 감사합니다. 그렇게 서두르실 필요는 없지만 고맙습니다.
Um, and when we meet again on September 30th, I will answer those questions. September 30th, 6 o'clock, 30 minutes. 6 o'clock 30 minutes, same place, same time. And there is a field visit. There is a field visit on the 26th.
26th Saturday, 9 o'clock in the morning. 9 o'clock in the morning. Good.
Is there anything else you want to say? I'm fine. Is there anything you want to say about Lee Chung-won? No, I'm fine. I'm just curious how it's going to go from now on. That's all. Yes, then you know the date of the next meeting, right? Yes, Merry Christmas. Yes, are you all okay? Yes, yes. We will proceed with the voting on the visit to the site and the postponement of the meeting. Will you submit a consent form for the visit to the site at 9 a.m. on September 26 and for the meeting on the case of the 31st? Yes, I submitted. Request. Admit. Admit. Will you submit a consent form for submitting a question on this proposal? Yes, I submitted. Will you request? Request.
찬성 찬성 네 네 네 좋습니다. 둘 씨, 질문을 준비해서 편하신 시간에 제출해 주십시오.
네, 그럼 회의를 바로 진행하겠습니다. 감사합니다. 네, 더 하실 말씀 있으신가요? 이쯤에서 마무리하겠습니다. 네, 좋습니다. 오늘 이렇게 모두 함께 해주셔서 감사합니다. 그럼 회의를 신속하게 진행하겠습니다. 감사합니다. Thank you. Now, let's move on to the other cases. Thank you. Have a good night. Thank you. There are no more cases. Um, you have written the account book of Po Iri. Can I ask if you've read all of them and heard their opinions, or if we can postpone the discussion until the next meeting? I've read them. Are you referring to what I sent you as an email? Yes. Yes. In my opinion, there are two parts. First, it is necessary to increase the parking area, and second, it is necessary to include the second floor. I'll tell you what I think. Yes, yes, all of us. I've often said that there are too many cases of accident-related complaints due to the 700-square-feet limit. I think the 700-square-feet limit in these days is an unrealistically low number. Mr. Poirier, how much do you suggest? Are you talking about 14 between 1,000 and 1,400? The reason I chose the range was because I wasn't sure what the right number was. The 30x30 size space is 900 square feet on the first floor. The second floor calculates that 75% as the standard, which is different depending on the slope of the roof. I calculated the empty space as the standard. The number of 1750 square feet is not small. We've already seen cases like that.
Yes.
That's right.
But we...
I don't know if they've ever given us such a large-scale architecture.
Yes, there is.
So that's why I took that number as an example. Everything changes depending on the slope of the roof. If you install just one light window, it could be 1,750 square feet. So, the only thing we're going to do is not a joke, but to set a minimum standard. We have to expose a number that we are all satisfied with. And if someone has a second floor and that space is usable, we have to increase that space as much as possible. If that happens, they have to come back to us and get special permission to exceed the size. But 700 square feet ramen. Yes, everyone is coming in. Everyone is coming in and already coming in. That's right. That's right. So what I'm asking you is that you may not be ready to make a decision tonight, but think about what the appropriate number is to set the minimum standard. I'll tell you again, but it's not a joke. Poirier's second statement is something to think about. You suggested that the upper floor area should not be included in the calculation. Well, as I just said, I thought about what we were worried about. And I think that's what we're worried about, just like the ADU law. It shouldn't be as big or the same as the existing building next to it. So what are you trying to say? What I said is that the size of the building that I didn't include or include is the same. But as I said, I don't know if I should think differently. That was just my initial thought. So I wanted to hear from other people. Maybe there's something I didn't consider. By the way, about the garage, I have mixed opinions with Chansung. A garage is like a storage or a warehouse. It can be used for various purposes such as workstations. It's different from a residential space. But there were times when the garage was used as a residential space. Would you agree with me?
Yes. The second floor is used as a living space.
That's right. So you can use the extra master suite room, the extra family room, the office, and the children's playground. Well, I'm not sure if that's the right direction. Yes. Of course, the first thing to do is to submit a proposal to the planning committee. That's the procedure we need to go through. I think that's a wise idea. I think it's better to extend the floor area. 정말 너무 작아요. 제 생각에는 700제곱피트 정도는 줄여야 할 것 같아요.
예를 들어, 3칸짜리 차고를 생각해 보세요.
If there are three 9-feet doors, except for the entrance door, it's 27 feet. So it's 27 feet before you even put the door on. Besides, there's nothing to say about having to build a door on top of a wall. So I'd like you to think about the next meeting. Yes. 그리고 경험을 바탕으로 왜 그 수치가 적절하다고 생각하시는지 설명해 주시면 좋겠습니다. 네. 알겠습니다. 그렇죠. 저는 최소한. 차 두 대 정도는 주차할 수 있는 공간을 고려하고 싶습니다. 마을 주민들 중에는 픽업 트럭을 가진 분들이 많으니까요. 어쨌든. 이 조례는 오래전에 만들어졌잖아요.
네. 맞습니다.
맞아요. Another example is 30 feet x 30 feet, or 900 square feet. It's just an example. Most people put a slope roof on a 30-feet roof.
I've never seen a house with only two cars.
Especially children's houses are more like that. If it's financially burdensome for children to live independently, or if a camper or family member has to rent a car, Most people use that space.
No matter what people say, Like a tent or concrete slab.
Oh, so you're making one more space to put something down and avoid the rain and wind. Yes. Like a single roof for a camping car. Yes.
Camping car.
So, yes. In my opinion, let's just do it right at once. And if there is a difference in area later, you can go and say that you could have done this earlier. Yes. But 700 feet is too expensive. Yes. You're leaving everyone behind. Yes. That's right. I did that on Sunday. Yes. That's right. Mr. Bellington, do you include the area of the attached roof in the calculation?
Or just go out like this.
만약 덧붙인 지붕이 안쪽 세면이 완전히 열려 있다면요? 만약 닫혀 있다면요? 네, 그럼 면적에 포함되는 거죠. 네, 알겠습니다. 그런데 만약 문이 있다면요? Even if the three sides are closed, if there is no door, who can get in? That's right. It could just be open. The garage they used in the past was also a roof. It was a roof, but it wasn't completely exposed. The two sides were closed. The two sides were closed. So it was exposed to the weather.
There was such a garage before. Yes, there was before. So I
Mr. Cho, consider the structure of the swimming pool deck and think about this part, and please let us know the exact number or range as Mr. Boyer suggested. And then we can think about what kind of proposal we will submit to the Planning Committee. Plans to approve the proposal of the spring If it is registered in the committee, it will be voted on, and if it is approved or supported, it will be registered in the village council and voted again. In the village council, if you say, I like it, you will have to receive approval from the Office of the Attorney General. I understand. The range problem I'm worried about is that everyone is trying to cross the line. So, it would be good to set the range high and solve the problem at that point.
There's always someone who wants more. Yes, that's why you have to be careful. That's right. That's what I'm trying to say. People always ask for more than one. That's right. You have to blame people, but that's how the world works. But I'm giving you between 900 and 1,400.
I'm just telling you roughly. Most of them will be based on 1,400. It's easier to make it bigger from the beginning. There are people who want a car that is over 2,000 square feet, so we need to reduce the size. Yes, I said it louder. That's right. I didn't mean to set a range when I suggested that number. I just wanted to present it as a basic document of the debate and find out what people think. Yes, that's a good point. 32X32 is 1,024 square feet.
Good. I think this is good enough. Let's end this discussion here.
Let's talk again next time. It's a new case, so I'll add it to the next meeting case. And when you make a space of 32x32 size, what is it that interferes with making a path that goes inside? That's right. What I mean is that you're wasting the space you can use. That's right. Yes. It's the same with my car. If you want to put a shelf or a kayak, you can't get in the car.
And when he installed the stairs, he made it go up to the middle of the garage. Let's end this story here.
Do you have anything more to say? Do you have anything to say? I'll end the meeting. I've been waiting to see if you have anything more to say. No. 교회는 소식이 없네요. 표지판 관련해서는 아직 소식이 없어요. 네.
확인차 여쭤봤습니다. 아직 소식이 없다는 거죠? 네. 알겠습니다. 소식 있으면 알려드리겠습니다. 배링턴 씨. 회의를 종료하자고 제안합니다. 포이리에 씨. 두 번째 시도입니다.
찬성하시는 분 계신가요? 네. 안녕히. 주무세요. 커버.
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