Board of Supervisors - Regular Meeting

Thank you. Thank you.

Is there a motion to come out of closed session?

So moved. Okay. I have a motion. I have a second. Second. All right. I'll start the voting with Mr. Early. Yes. Mr. Bryant. Yes. Mr. Horton. Yes. Mr. Collins. Yes. Mr. Moore. Yes. And I vote yes. Next on the agenda is certification from closed session. So whereas the Carroll County Board of Supervisors convened a closed session this date pursuant to an affirmative recorded vote and on the motion to close the meeting in accordance with the Virginia Freedom of Information Act, whereas Section 2.2-3711D of the Code of Virginia requires a certification by the Board of Supervisors that such closed session was conducted in conformity with Virginia law. In Section 2.2-37D, we went under A1, A3, A6, A7, and A8. Now, therefore, be it resolved that the Carp County Board of Supervisors hereby certifies that to the best of each member's knowledge, only public business matters lawfully exempted from open meeting requirements under the Virginia Freedom of Information Act were heard, discussed, or considered in the closed session to which this certification applies. And all such business matters as were identified in the motion by which this closed session was convened were heard, discussed, or considered in the meeting to which this certification applies. I ask each member to certify. I'll start with Mr. Moore. I so certify. Mr. Collins. I so certify. Mr. Horton. I so certify. Mr. Bryant. I so certify. Mr. Early. I so certify. And I so certify. And next on the agenda, I ask everyone to stand, please.

Mr. Chairman, I'd like to amend the agenda. Okay. Add a memorial resolution for our fallen officer, Mr. Logan.

Okay. I have a motion to amend the agenda memorial for Mr. Logan. I have a second. Okay. I'll start the vote with Mr. Early. Yes. Mr. Bryant. Yes. Mr. Horton. Yes. Mr. Collins. Yes. Mr. Moore.

Yes.

And I vote yes. I want to say Mr. Early is going to lead us in the pledge.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands,

one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

I'm going to ask Pastor Angela Lombary, Angie, if you'll come up and open us in prayer. And if you want to come to the mic and say a little bit about your church and service times.

Okay.

Feel free.

We started the church about three and a half years ago. And actually today we started working on the property on our Fort Road where we're going to build. We have church at the VFW. It's new birth worship. And also over at the White Barn venue, wedding venue, we have it when we can't have it at the VFW. And I thank y'all for this opportunity to allow me to do this today. So I'll go ahead and do what I've been asked to do here today. If y'all will bow your heads with me, please. Fathers, we come to you in the mighty name of Jesus. Lord, I just want to thank you for another day of life. Lord, I want to thank you for the prayers you heard over the weekend, for the manhunt that ended without another life being lost. But Lord, there was a life lost. I pray for this community. I pray for the Sheriff's Department, our first responders, the families. Lord, this loss was great and it's going to be felt for a long time. But Father, I saw this weekend a unity in our community. I saw that unity as those were bringing food to the first responders and to this family. Lord, today as we come together, I ask your blessing on this meeting and your hand be upon it. That, Father, that every supervisor that's here, that your wisdom and your knowledge be upon him. And, Lord, give them the direction that they need to go in. And, Father, let your blessing be upon our community. In Carroll County, we're blessed today. And, Father, I ask that blessing to continue. And we give you the praise and the glory and the honor for it. In Jesus' name, amen.

Amen. Thank you, Angie. Now, at this time, I'm going to ask for a moment of silence to honor the Deputy Logan Nutt.

Thank you.

And next, I have a resolution, and it's a resolution honoring the life, service, and sacrifice of Deputy Logan Utt. Whereas Deputy Logan Utt faithfully served the citizens of Carroll County with honor, courage, integrity, and dedication, and whereas Deputy Utt answered the call of public service willingly, placing himself in harm's way to protect the lives and safety of others, And whereas on May 29, 2026, Deputy Logan Up made the ultimate sacrifice in the line of duty while serving the people of Carroll County. And whereas his selfless service, unwavering commitment to duty, and willingness to run toward danger exemplified the very best of law enforcement and public service. And whereas Deputy Up was more than a law enforcement officer, he was a son, a family member, a friend. Excuse me. a colleague, a valued member of our community whose life touched countless individuals. And whereas the citizens of Carroll County mourn the loss of a brave public servant while expressing profound gratitude for his sacrifice and service, now therefore be it resolved that the Carroll County Board of Supervisors hereby express his deepest condolences and heartfelt sympathy to the family of Deputy Logan Utt, Sheriff Kevin Kemp, the Carroll County Sheriff's Office, and all those who knew and loved him. Be it furthermore resolved that the board recognizes Deputy Logan as a hero who gave his life in faithful service to others and whose sacrifice shall never be forgotten by the citizens of Carroll County. Be it further resolved that the board encourages all citizens to keep Deputy Utz's family, friends, fellow deputies, and all first responders in their thoughts and prayers during this difficult time. Be it further resolved that a copy of this resolution be presented to the family of Deputy Logan Nutt and that his resolution be entered into the permanent records of Carroll County, Virginia as a lasting tribute to his life, service, and sacrifice. Adopted this first day of June 26 by the Carroll County Board of Supervisors. I'll entertain a motion to approve that. I move. Okay. I have a motion. Mr. Moore seconded by Mr. Collins. We'll start the vote with Mr. Early. Yes. Mr. Horton. Yes. Mr. Bryant. Yes. Mr. Collins. Yes. Mr. Moore. Yes. And I vote yes. And one thing I would like to say, the ribbons, personal touch floors, Tammy, it's always lefties back here in the back four, so we do appreciate that. Okay, next on the agenda is public hearing for FY27 school budget, and we will open that public hearing up at 7-11.

Would anyone want to speak on the school budget?

that's okay you said where everybody can hear you yeah I'm just asking I did not see in the school budget and so I'm not sure how anybody could ask questions about it unless it's been published somewhere and I just don't know mr. Watson this you can have my copy but it was published in the paper and

This is an opportunity for if you have something to say about the school budget or the next one to be the county budget, I can give you my copy. And it was advertised. It's a requirement to go through. We won't approve it tonight. So if you do have any questions about it in the future, you're welcome to reach out to me. I'm the county administrator.

Okay, thank you. You're welcome. Okay, we'll close the public hearing on the school budget 7-13. I will open the public hearing on the county budget at 713. And we'll close the public hearing at 7.14. Next on the agenda is Citizen's Time. And I want to welcome you all to the meeting and to Citizen's Time. Public comment does offer citizens the opportunity to address the board either in person or in writing on matters relevant to the responsibilities of the board to maintain a respectful and constructive environment Please adhere to the following guidelines. Addressing the board, please direct all comments to the board as a whole, refraining from addressing individual board members or employees of the board or county. Orderly conduct, personal attacks, as well as the use of vulgar or profane insults are not permitted. Scope of topic comments shall pertain to issues within the purview of the board and local government. Topics beyond the board's control or unrelated to local governments are not appropriate for public comment. Question and answer public comment is not a question and answer session. Board members will not respond to questions during public comment without permission from the chair. And the time limit that's been for a long time is still, each speaker will be allotted three minutes for their comments. And other than that, I will start with Mr. Greg Alger.

All right. First, I would like to thank y'all for recognizing the deputy shot and having the moment of silence. I am here about the data center, data center, however you want to pronounce it, concerns. I've looked up benefits and negative things about data centers. I'm concerned some of the negative impacts, increased energy usage, and or rates. Our power bills are already high enough as it is. We don't need a data center in here spiking our energy rates anymore. Another concern is the large amounts of water usage that they can potentially use up. Other concerns, do they produce air pollution? Is there climate impacts? What about noise pollution? What about loss of any potential farmland? I read one of the benefits could be creating of jobs, but I've also read that most of those are short-term jobs, not long-term jobs. There again, could we possibly be straining the power grid? We all know the power grid ain't as strong as it should be. What's the lifespan of a potential data center? I've read from 15 to 30 years. So what happens to that building? What happens to that equipment? We've got enough empty buildings sitting around between here and Galax already. I guess my concern, I've got a lot of concerns with that. I've spoken to 30 or 40 people in the past week, between family, friends, coworkers, some of my church family. I have not... talk to anybody that is for this data center yet. And they've got a lot of the same concerns I do. I even had one say, if it comes, why don't they use solar power instead of the electrical grid? Just throwing that out. But I guess, seems like this is, I didn't learn about this until last week. It comes to find out there's been a few other things that's popped up over the last couple of years that I didn't know about. And I say on social media quite often, I read, but, you know, the Life Center got snuck in on us. Nothing could be done about that. And I've got family that lives in that area. They've had numerous people knock on their doors wanting to try to call people. And I'm not trying to get on the Life Center, but I'm just saying, that was snuck in under us, and not a lot of people wanted it in this area. The solar farms over there, I know there's good and bad on solar farms between Airport Road and, well, and Senior Road. Seems like those guys snuck in on us. But I guess... If Spanberger and all of her colleagues want all these data centers, let them keep them over on the east side around Richmond, Newport area, where it's not affecting us if they are so beneficial. Why can't we have manufacturing jobs in this area instead of data centers? Seems like nobody wants to bring manufacturing back to Carroll County. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Eldridge. Okay, next on the agenda, I have Sherry Burrus.

Good evening. Again, my name is Sherry Burris. I'm running for the House of Delegates in the 46th District. The 46th District consists of Wythe, Smith, Grayson, and portions of Pulaski County.

I am your neighbor here in Carroll County.

My family does have land right here in Carroll County. This is why I'm concerned. We all understand the promise that data centers are supposed to bring investment, innovation, and a stronger digital economy. But we also have to be honest about what's really happening on the ground. Data centers do not create the kind of long-term stable jobs that our communities need. In fact, they often replace these jobs. A modern data center is actually the size of a football field, and that's on the smaller scale. These can operate as few as 10 to 25 full-time workers. That's it. Once the construction crews are gone and they leave, the permanent jobs shrink to a tiny handful. And these are highly specialized positions is what people are thinking. But those are contractors that's going out of town. They're moving on to the next project. We need labor jobs. And I'm talking about labor jobs that are unionized. Meanwhile, the land, the energy, and the tax incentives that could support our thousands of good paying jobs end up locked inside a building that barely employs anyone. These buildings usually employ custodials and security people at lower paying positions. And while these facilities grow, other sectors shrink. Automation and AI systems housed in these data centers are already reduced, and logistics, retail, customer service, and even technical job fields are being depleted by AI. Workers are being told to adapt. While their very infrastructure accelerated job loss is being built in their very backyards right here in Carroll County, Wythe County, and surrounding areas. We should not be trading away our workforce for warehouses of servers. We should be investing in human beings and in the industries that hire these locally trained and locally grown people. Industries that strengthen the middle class instead of hollowing us all out. This is not about being against technology. It's about being with and for the workers. Again, unionized workers. And it's about making sure that progress doesn't leave the people behind. It's about demanding that any development in our community actually benefits the people who live and work here, and we want to keep them here. If a project doesn't create real jobs or protect our workforce or build a stronger future for our working families, then it's not the right project for us. Thank you.

Thank you. Okay, next I have, if I pronounce this wrong, I apologize, Gene Bergaleta. Correct. Okay. All right.

About three months ago. You need to come more often so I can pronounce it better.

Yes.

I want to thank everybody for letting me speak here. I'm against data centers for the obvious reasons that have been stated and probably going to continue to be stated here. There's a myriad of things that are true throughout. You look up any town that has invited a data center into their community, the water usage, the electricity usage, the noise, the pollution, it's all there. It's not even like question about it. It's documented. There's 4,000 data centers in the United States. There's over 600 or 500 something in Virginia alone. So it's not an unknown. So I'm not here to talk about that. I'm here to ask you, the board, do you have any kind of a comprehensive plan, anything to ensure that as board members, and also as members of the Carroll County as citizens, that we're going to be protected, that we're going to be, you know, we're going to have something, a way to hold these tech companies accountable should they end up in our midst, that they, you know, they have some responsibility to us, that they, you know, are held to whatever, like a community, what's it called? I'm sorry, a community benefit agreement where up front they agree to look, you know, we're Carroll County. We want to secure these things. We want to make sure that we are protected, that where is this water usage going to come from? Where is this electricity usage going to come from? Who's going to be responsible for these increases? Where's the pollution, the noise pollution, all that? You know, what are the what is going to be their responsibility to us, because they're asking us for this commitment to come into our community. And, you know, it's, it's, it's an extractive kind of situation like coal, like fracking, like anything else. They want to come in and take a water, take our electricity. And what do we get? We, you know, what point do we say, Hey, look, enough is enough. And then as a gentleman mentioned before, once this, Data boom, you know, goes bust or whatever. I mean, nobody knows what the future is. Who's, you know, what happens to this center? What happens to the decommissioning? Who's responsible for that? you know, maybe 20, 30 years, I'll be gone. Maybe a lot of people in this room will be gone, but there's kids that aren't even born yet who are going to be, this is going to drop in their lap and they're going to say, hey, you know, they're going to have to deal with it. And me personally, I don't want to leave that to my grandkids or anybody else's grandkids. So I'm just asking if there's, you know, that you guys hopefully have some kind of comprehensive plan when they come knocking on the door to say, hey, listen, you got to listen to us, you know, listen to what we have to say here. So that's my hope. And I hope, you know, for myself and for Carroll County. So thank you. Thank you.

Thank you.

And next, I have Gene Bergeleta, the third. OK, thank you, sir. And I will go to Kathy Staples.

Good evening. Thank you, Board of Supervisors, for allowing us this time. My name is Kathy Staples, and I live in Easley Hill area of Hillsville. I'm coming before you because I don't know. I don't understand. I've got questions about things that I'm hearing. You know, they... People do rumors and they try to scare you. And so that's why I'm here tonight. And in my form, I know you mentioned we weren't supposed to be questions, but I don't expect answers. I just have these questions. And maybe at some point someone can get back to us.

Ma'am, if you want to ask your questions and then after everything's done, if one of them wants to respond, if not, we will get in touch with you.

Okay. Starting off, is a data center being considered for our area? And if so, where? And who approved this? And who will get the benefit of this? The next one is, how will it be supplied with excessive amounts of water and electricity, et cetera, without affecting our residents and without making costs go up? The next question, will the supposed data center affect the streams that we have now and the land that we have now? And my last question is, what are all the safety hazards for people that live close by and how far away do these hazards reach? Now, you know, you guys may not even be the ones that approve a data center. I don't know. We just hear rumors. And so our place to come is to come here and find out. And I just thank you all so much for allowing us to come and do this because rumors are just that. I LIKE FACTS. THANK YOU.

OKAY. I APOLOGIZE. I'M NOT SURE ON THIS LAST NAME, BUT IT IS SUE FOR THE FIRST NAME. OKAY. I'M SORRY. OKAY. THANK YOU.

SO AGAIN, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE BEEN TO ONE OF THESE MEETINGS. I WAS KIND OF EXPECTING SOMEONE WHO IS BUILDING THE DATA CENTER TO BE HERE AND KIND OF show us the plan. I do know that recently there was a data center approved in Statesville, North Carolina. Some of the things that they agreed to do there was Duke Energy agreed to build a separate substation for energy so that there's no impact on the rest of the community for energy. Also, a fully contained water system so there's no impact on our water usage here. And the other thing was, in the event of a fire, I understand there's lithium batteries used in the backup, maybe. But how do you, our fire companies, they know how to put out a lithium-based fire. This is a company that's going to install the data center. Are they going to provide training and support? If we need special equipment, are they going to provide funding? These are all the things that they looked at at the Statesville Data Center that were taken care of before it was approved. That's all I have. Thank you.

Thank you.

Okay. Nancy Bokas. Okay. Thank you. Donna Perry.

Well, first of all, on a different note, I just want to say that I'm very happy with GFL service, and I'd like to see them continue to operate in the county. I know there are some issues in certain part of the counties, and I don't know if that's got to do with roads or private roads or exactly what that circumstance is, but I am very pleased with them, and I just want you all to know that. On the data center thing, I'll admit that I really didn't have a whole lot of knowledge about data centers in general, but I have been trying to

educate myself.

And, you know, and it's a slow process, and it's a lot to learn. It was just in listening to what other people are saying, I think that what bothers me the most about the county and their business in general, is the fact that not only are y'all the Board of Supervisors, but some of you are, are Reseda, who is the group that actually makes these decisions. And the very fact that these things happen with non-disclosure agreements. And that's where a lot of the unknown comes into the citizens. These things just pop up. Someone mentioned the solar. The solar was done through private companies. dealings.

And we had a public hearing board.

And we had a public hearing board, and it was brought out, and people were made aware, and representatives of that company were here, and they set up a special time for outside of this meeting place to discuss any questions that anyone had. And I just think that any company that wants to locate in this area, Briseida or whoever, I mean, non-disclosure agreements should just go out the window. And if they're demanding that, then there must be a reason. You know, there's probably... any number of reasons why we don't want them here. People talk about the energy usage. My daughter lives in Northern Virginia. And you would think that in a big place like that, that their utility bills would be higher. Everything else is. But that's not the case. Her electricity bill last winter was $200 a month. Mine was $400 a month. And she lived in as big a townhouse as my house is. So, you know, it's, it's just strange how things work in the country. And I know that a lot of businesses and a lot of people, and probably some of you all on the board think that we're just a bunch of uneducated country hicks. Well, I'm here to tell you, I was born and raised here and I am by far not a stupid country. You know, maybe I don't know all I should, and I don't keep up with everything going on in the County that I should, but, um, You know, I think that the next time that there needs to be members placed on Briseida, I think that instead of the Board of Supervisors always being the ones to take those slots, I think that citizens should be asked. Because we're the ones that are on the receiving end of the decisions that you all and Briseida make. And that's all I got to say.

Thank you.

I will answer that or say one comment on Bursita. It is set up by the bylaws that it has to be board members represented from each three localities. That would have to be changed by the three localities. I mean, I understand what you're saying, but it's not that we just, they pick the board member and could pick the citizen. Next, I have Myra Leonard.

County fair, let's talk about the county fair, right? Not tonight, not tonight. My name is Myra Leonard and I'm president of the Carroll County Farm Bureau member, Farm Bureau Federation. And what that is, we're not Carroll County Farm Bureau insurance, we're the federation. If you have Carroll County Farm Bureau insurance, you are a member, but you don't have to have, we're the federation, we're separate. What we do at Carroll County Farm Bureau is we want to protect our agricultural land, we want to protect any production agriculture Agriculture is the largest industry in our county, and it's the largest employer. Manufacturing comes and goes, services comes and goes, but we've got our agriculture to fall back on. 50 years ago, when we talked about protecting our farmland, we were talking about protecting the dirt, the soil. Now we're talking about protecting what's under it, you know, this thing with water. I'm here to offer our services, our resources. Carroll County Farm Bureau, the Virginia Farm Bureau, the American Farm Bureau are over 2,100 members here in the county. Whatever we can do, if we need to look at zoning, if we need to look at ordinances, whatever we need to do, to save our farmland in Carroll County. We have resources, and we also have lots of lobbying and all of those things. The one thing I, of course, use my AI as well, on these data centers, the one thing, you know, the water, that's just a huge issue. Like, you could talk about the water for a year. The noise pollution. Thinking about the noise pollution. It says within two and a half miles of a data center. You know, we live in a small community. Everybody knows everybody's business. I know who visits Tracy because I go by his house every day. That's a small community. This area that we might be interested in or a data center might be interested in our community, within 2.2 miles of that building, is 2,115 students. 67% of Carroll County Public Schools students will spend their time within 2.2 miles if that building wants to house a data center. That's a lot of noise pollution. That's a lot. And if you think about it, every student in Carroll County, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, for five years, they would be exposed to that noise pollution less than 2.2 miles from their school. I think about that. You know, noise is something, you know, you don't think about it until you sit there all day and you hear the hum of something. So as we're talking about this, again, I offer our resources. Anything Virginia Farm Bureau can do, American Farm Bureau, we can do locally with all our members, the people in production agriculture. We want to save our farmland just as much as I'm sure you guys do too.

Thank you.

Thank you, Ms. Lynn.

Okay, next I have Michael Goodson.

Good evening. My name is Michael Goodson, founder of Warehouse, and tonight I'm speaking as a citizen of Carroll County regarding AI data centers. As of today, my position is simple, no. No to AI data centers in Southwest Virginia, at least for now. Before we make decisions that could permanently alter our communities, our landscapes, our utility systems, and our future, I believe the burden of proof must rest with those asking us to say yes. And right now, that burden has not been met. I think it is important to separate two conversations that are often blended together. The conversation about AI tools is not the same conversation as AI replacement. Using technology to assist human beings is one thing. Building massive industrial infrastructure designed to centralize knowledge, automate decision-making, and potentially replace human judgment is something entirely different. Likewise, comparisons between traditional data centers and AI data centers are misleading. The servers that process banking transactions, host websites, and store records are not the same as massive AI computing facilities now being proposed across the country. The scale is different. The energy demands are different. The cooling requirements are different. The impacts on communities are different. Yet, despite those differences, we are being asked to move quickly. We are being asked to trust projections. We are being asked to trust promises. We are being asked to accept long-term consequences in exchange for short-term assurance. I do not believe that is a responsible approach. Before any approval is considered, there should be significantly more independent research, significantly more public engagement, significantly more transparency regarding the environmental, economic and infrastructure impacts these facilities may create. These people who live here deserve time to understand what's being proposed in their communities. They deserve time to ask questions. They deserve time to challenge assumptions. And they deserve honest answers. Southwest Virginia has spent generations being told that the next project, the next industry, and the next outside investment would change everything. Sometimes their promise is delivered. Sometimes they did not. That history alone should encourage caution. But once land is developed, once infrastructure is altered, and once communities are changed, those decisions cannot simply be undone. If artificial intelligence is something truly as transformative and beneficial as the advocates claim, then it will surely be still transformative and beneficial after additional research, additional scrutiny, and additional public input. Good ideas survive examination. Good projects withstand questions. Good investments do not require communities to rush. Until the research is stronger, until the public has been fully heard, and until the long-term benefits clearly outweigh the long-term cost, I believe the answer should remain no. Thank you. Thank you.

You have one to read, I think.

We received an email from Toni Hall today asking that someone from the office read this, so I am reading for her. Myself and family stand firm on no data centers. Pretty simple as far as that goes. No data centers. We asked the BOS to pass a moratorium to halt any project in Carroll County that involves a data center. This is a simple act by the BOS that can allow the citizens, the planning commission, and the BOS to work towards some type of ordinance, regulations, et cetera, that would make this count make this county so undesirable that these data center manufacturers would not want to come here. Please keep in mind, like I have said to the majority of you, there is no 100% bulletproof method to stop data centers, not zoning, not a single ordinance, not a regulation. But a combination of these can make it so undesirable that the folks don't want to be here. Let's get the Planning Commission moving with a multi-tiered playbook of spot zoning ordinances and regulations to stop sitting on our hands. Mr. Durbin, cannabis can be included in these as well. It is my understanding that you are rather focused on that aspect at the last meeting. Let's just say no to data centers. Lastly, I would like to bring to your attention that a BOS representative and the County Administrator one elected and one hired to represent the citizens of Carroll County, are serving on the BRCETA board. In serving on this board, neither the BOS representative nor the county administrator have seen it necessary to inform their colleagues and employers of Project Lightning. This project is strongly believed to be the development of a data center in the Wildwood Park area. However, and regardless of what the project turns out to be, the BOS representative was elected to represent the citizens of Carroll County, and the county administrator was hired by the BOS to work for the citizens of Carroll County. Their failures to disclose information that directly affect the people they represent or work for is erroneous, and there should be some regulation, policy, or procedure in the county to prevent this. No one who is elected to represent or work for the citizens of Carroll County should be allowed to withhold information from the BOS and the citizens. It is that simple. I simply request that a full investigation be conducted into the conduct of these individuals regarding the regulations, policies, and procedures of Carroll County. Again, it is no data centers for Carroll County. Please do what is necessary to stop this from happening. You represent the citizens, not your own personal agenda, and we, the citizens, are asking for this to be stopped. Sincerely, Tony Hall, NCGAP President and Taxpayer of Carroll County.

Thank you, Chris. Next, I have Delilah Brady.

Good evening, gentlemen.

Hello.

Thank you for giving me time to speak. As we know, my name is Delilah Brady. I am a citizen and landowner in Carroll County. I'm not here to argue that data centers can be completely stopped. The reality is we know they cannot be. What we can do is design and adopt an ordinance, not zoning, that protects our county. I haven't looked at the latest zoning proposal. My bet is that it doesn't mention data or nuclear at all. Is that why some are trying hard to push zoning through so fast? Large corporations have shown some of you polished presentations, glossy slides, promised economic benefits. Some of you were weak and have jumped right into accepting it. Those presentations are designed to persuade. Your responsibility is to look beyond the sales pitch. Remember when you were small, a small child, and an ad made you want that shiny new toy only for you to be let down once you got it, and it didn't live up to the hype. Your parents tried to teach you about not believing the snake old salesman at that dog and pony show. You didn't listen to them then, did you? Same thing's happening now. If something is too good to be true, believe it. I hope the promises turn out to be true. I hope the tax revenue materializes and we never have to pay another tax. I hope the impacts are smaller than what we are seeing all across the country. With that being said, that does not mean we should do absolutely nothing. No matter if you are for or against data centers, They will be a part of our future. They must be managed wisely. So we must put an ordinance in place to protect the people who already live here. We should establish clear rules for noise, setbacks, water use, power. We should make sure we are not left paying for the upgrades, the benefits of private corporations. An ordinance is not an anti-business. It's a pro-community. It provides a certainty. Putting an ordinance in place will not cause data centers to not come here. It will weed out those ones that don't have the best intentions for our county. We all know if someone had something, it isn't the best interest for everybody else. Do not allow fear of losing a project in revenue to prevent you from doing your job. If a company truly wants to be a good neighbor, it will be willing to operate under reasonable rules that protect the community it's entering. Our goal should not be to surrender. Our goal should be to govern responsibly. If data centers come, they should do so under rules that protect our rural character, natural resources, and our quality of life. If you do not create some kind of ordinance, you show how weak and powerless we are as a local government. The question now is whether our county will set the terms or allow large corporations to set them for us. I urge you to adopt something, a strong ordinance, something that protects our citizens today and for generations to come. Please remember something important. Our land is more than empty space waiting on industrial. I feel this is already a done deal and our battle is over. Accountability should never end. The folks selling us out will go down in history as traders, selling out your fellow neighbors, children, grandchildren. The decision made by you to create or not create will affect everybody in this room. Thank you.

I want to thank you all for speaking. Yes.

Sure. If you'll come up and...

I need you to put your name and address on the paper, please.

Yes, please. That's okay. What's your last name? Okay, thank you. That's fine. That's enough. That's all you need. Yes. Thank you.

Okay. Susan Torella.

Hi, everybody. Everybody that was speaking, I'm probably going to repeat myself, but I felt it was important to let you know that I live here and these things are important to me as well. So I'll just read what I have. What zoning force has been addressed today? She was talking about ordinances, so I don't really know the difference with zoning and ordinances. But for Carroll County, what zoning or ordinance has been addressed, planned, implemented to protect the community from air pollution, higher heat indexes produced by the data centers, water shortages, water pollution to our rivers, lakes, and streams, and contamination and poisoning of our aquifers, thus poisoning our wells, drinking and bathing water supply, protections from noise pollution, and the inevitable crash of our power grid by the AI data center's extreme need for electrical energy. I'm sorry, I have lung disease. I'm trying to breathe. So I heard that there's talk of a data center in Woodlawn and I wanted to know if that was true because like some people here, I don't know everything that's going on. I know it from what I read nationally. Many states, New Hampshire, Maine are just two that have created moratoriums, some for several years to prevent AI data centers from being permitted to enter a county or state until the planning commission or board of supervisors has ample time to research and zone the county to protect the community from the dangers and ruination of the environment to which thousands of examples exist. Erin Brockovich has established a complaint website just for such negative AI data center impacts on communities and on the health of the constituents in those communities. There must be zoning and regulations for all AI data centers to abide by to protect our lives and the lives of our children and grandchildren. We already have examples all over our country of the damage AI data centers cause. Water pollution, high and unsustainable electric costs, heat pollution, wells poisoned, brown drinking and bathing water in Georgia and other states has been collected. noise pollution, environmental land damage, and diverse damage to the habitats of other living creatures besides humans. We need moratoriums on AI data centers coming to Carroll County and enact zoning and environmental laws to avoid catastrophe in our beautiful and peaceful Carroll County community. And just an aside, air pollution. I have a serious form of lung disease. If one of these comes into the county and I have to live near it, I'll have to leave because I already, as you can see, I struggle to breathe. When somebody burns a fire, a bonfire, I have to close all my windows and turn on the air conditioning. So this is very frightening to me because I moved here to retire and I love it here. our health is another point I would like to make. And thank you for your time. Thank you, ma'am.

All right. Thank you. Next on the agenda, we have the minutes. And the supervisor will talk at supervisor's time if you want to stay. I'll entertain a motion to approve the minutes as presented in your packet. make that motion. We approve as presented. I have a motion. I have a second. Second. Okay. Start to vote with Mr. Moore. Yes. Mr. Collins. Yes. Mr. Horton. Yes. Mr. Brunt. Yes. Mr. Early. Yes. And I vote yes. Okay. Next on the agenda is a consent counter that was in your packet. I will entertain a motion to approve the consent counter as presented. I make that motion. Okay. I have a motion. Mr. Horton, do I have a second? Second. Second by Mr. Collins. I'll start to Voting with Mr. Early. Yes. Mr. Brunt. Yes. Mr. Horton. Yes. Mr. Collins. Yes.

Mr. Moore.

Yes.

And I vote yes.

Next on the agenda is invoices. We have invoices A, which is May 4th, 2026, and B, May 15th, 2026. I'll entertain a motion to approve them separate or together. I motion we approve them together. Motion Mr. Collins and second by Mr. Moore. Any discussion? If not, I'll start the vote with Mr. Early. Yes. Mr. Bryant. Yes. Mr. Horton. Yes. Mr. Collins. Yes. Mr. Moore. Yes. And I vote yes. And next on the agenda is new business. It is a six-year road plan. It's a resolution approving. It was in your packet, the VDOT secondary six-year road plan for 2015. fiscal years 2027 and 2032 that we had the public hearing and everything on previous last month. So I'll entertain a motion to adopt this six-year plan. So moved. I motion by Mr. Moore to have a second. Second. Second by Mr. Bryant. Any discussion? Mr. Collins? Yes. Mr. Moore? Yes. Mr. Horton? Yes. Mr. Early? Yes. Mr. Bryant? Yes. And I vote yes. Okay, next on the agenda is a resolution for the Carroll Wellness Center resolution where they are applying for a grant to continue, hopefully to raise the funds to build the treatment facility there. I'll entertain a motion to approve this. I'll make a motion. Motion by Mr. Brunton. I'll have a second. Second. Second by Mr. Collins. Any discussion? If not, I'll start to vote on Mr. Moore. Yes. Mr. Collins? Yes. Mr. Horton? Yes. Mr. Bryant? Yes. Mr. Early? Yes. And I vote yes. Next on the agenda is the RFP for solid waste collection, and I will turn that over to you, Mr. Watson.

Okay. Excuse me. Over the past several months, we have worked together in order to advertise as required for an exclusive and non-exclusive agreement for a solid waste hauler to be able to do door-to-door collection. From the responses, a committee was formed and presented the findings to the Board of Supervisors. There's many factors it was based on. It's based on experience, cost, to service areas and this would be a county-wide RFP and what we're doing is presenting this as a as a way of providing service to all the members within the community. Through that selection process we did select Meridian we do have been negotiating the contract with them, and the committee recommended to go with beryllium waste. Do you want to add anything?

I want to say that we've been reviewing the contract, the proposed agreement. It's in essentially final terms. There are a few things that still need to be cleaned up to have a clean version ready for signing, but I think we're at the stage where we can approve the agreement. All right.

Do we need to vote on that? Yes. Just wait to us. Okay. So I will entertain a motion to accept the RFP for solid waste collection and Meridian is the recommendation or whoever you want to. And that would be approval subject to final edits by legal counsel. I'll make that motion.

I'll second it.

Okay.

I have a motion and a second. Any discussion? I will start to vote in Mr. Early.

Yes.

Mr. Bryant. Yes. Mr. Horton. Yes. Mr. Collins. Yes. Mr. Moore. Yes. And I vote yes. And we'll talk about that more soon. The loop and settlement participation approval. Is that Mr. Durbin or Mr. Watson? Watson.

Yeah, gentlemen, you have a proposed settlement for consideration. It's a very small settlement, only about $1.5 million. It only applies to certain localities based on the federal ARCOS data. If Lupin had significant enough market share for your locality, Your Opioid Litigation Council has not been able to confirm from the ARCOS data whether this would apply, but their recommendation is to approve it because the deadline is coming up, I believe, next week or the week after. There's not necessarily going to be another chance for you to meet to approve it. So the recommendation from Opioid Litigation Council is that you approve the settlement. This defendant is such a minor player that it would not make fiscal sense for the county to try to pursue a settlement or a claim separately, even if you do qualify under the ARCOS data figures. So the recommendation is to approve the settlement.

Okay. I'll entertain a motion to approve the settlement. So moved. I have a motion by Mr. Collins. I have a second. Second. Second by Mr. Bryant. I will start the vote with Mr. Moore. Yes. Mr. Horton. Yes. Mr. Collins. Yes. Mr. Bryant. Yes. Mr. Erland. Yes. And I vote yes. Next on the agenda is the credo performance agreement.

What this is, is the state of Virginia offered incentives in order to, for the greenhouse located in Briseida. And the county, because it is a receiver of the tax revenue, there's some guidelines in there to supply them with information. Based on this agreement, the county is not providing financial incentives for them. However, we have to sign along with Briseida in order to... approve the state's incentives. So I ask the board to vote to approve this performance agreement.

This performance agreement for the greenhouses? Yes, sir. Okay. I'll entertain a motion to approve that. I'll make that motion. I have a motion by Mr. Early. Do I have a second? Second. I'll start the voting with Mr. Collins.

Yes.

Mr. Moore.

Yes.

Mr. Horton. Yes. Mr. Bryant. Yes. Mr. Early. Yes. And I vote yes. Next on the agenda is old business. I will entertain any committee appointments. The one that we did have for the library does not expire until August, but I'll entertain any more committee appointments.

Mr. Chairman, I'll move... to deny the recommendation of the Mount Rogers Community Services Board for the open CMPT position.

Okay? I have a motion. Do I have a second? Second. Okay. I'll start the vote with Mr. Moore.

Yes.

Mr. Collins. Yes. Mr. Horton. Yes. Mr. Bryant. Yes. Mr. Early. Yes. And I vote yes. And we do have the open on the Mount Rogers alcohol safety. We interviewed. Anyone wants to make that motion?

I'll make a motion to appoint Emily Carrico to the Virginia Alcohol Safety Action Program.

Okay. I have a motion. Do I have a second? Second. Okay. Second by Mr. Bryant. We'll start the vote with Mr. Bryant. Yes. Mr. Horton. Yes. Mr. Moore.

Yes.

Mr. Collins. Yes.

Mr. Early. Yes.

And I vote yes. Okay. Next on the agenda, you've got the subdivision agent, Mr. Watson.

Yes. We discussed it at the last meeting. It's just an opportunity for the board to place somebody as a second person to approve subdivisions when our subdivision agent is not available. And who are you recommending? I feel it would be appropriate for the building official to be able to take those duties, but you were able to appoint anybody.

And can we do that as we have in the past as an assistant subdivision agent where they would still report?

It's however you would like to do it. Okay. This person would not make those decisions unless for some reason there's an expense.

Right, right. Okay. So I'll entertain a motion if anyone wants to.

I'll make that motion to appoint the building official as the, what do you call it, secondary? Assistant. Assistant. Assistant.

Yeah.

Subdivision ordinance. Okay. Sign off. I have a motion. Do I have a second? I'll second. Okay. Second by Mr. Collins. I'll start the vote with Mr. Moore. Yes. Mr. Horton. Yes. Mr. Early. Yes. Mr. Bryant. Yes. Mr. Collins. Yes. And I vote yes. Okay, next on the agenda is board member comments, and I will start with Mr. Bryant. Okay.

It's been a tough week for the county and the sheriff's department and Mr. Rudd's family, and I would just like to extend my condolences. I know that the sheriff's department and the families in our prayers and thoughts and I'd just like to thank all the citizens for coming out tonight and thank the staff and this board and all of God. Thank you, Mr. Bryant.

Mr. Horton. I don't have the words necessary to describe how sorry I am to the family of our fallen hero, Deputy Logan Hutt. I'm personally grateful for his service to our county and our community. Thank you also to our Carroll County Sheriff's Office and Sheriff Kevin Kemp for all you do to protect our community and its citizens. Thank you to Carroll County Fire and Rescue and Jason Feltz for all the actions taken during this tragic loss. Just also wanted to reassure our community that trash services will be continued by the new provider. I've been getting a lot of phone calls from a lot of people concerned about their trash and trash services. I really think we've got a good plan to resume the service, and it's going to be an adjustment, but I feel like it's going to be the right move for our county and be in the right direction for all of us. Thank you for all the citizens that come out tonight to speak, and I just want to tell you guys thank you for everybody that's coming out tonight. That's all I got.

Thank you.

Mr. Early.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I do have another committee appointment for the library. Board, do you want to do that tonight?

Did you say that one doesn't expire until August? Okay. You want to hold off on that? Probably. If that's okay, just see if you have one. Okay. I just didn't want to miss it.

I want to thank everybody for coming in here tonight to tell us your feelings about data centers. I can honestly tell you I have not made any public comments one way or the other as to my desire to have them or to keep them out. What I do have a desire for is what many of you spoke about tonight, which is preserving our farmland. And the way to preserve our farmland, I believe it was Susan said to enact zoning. An ordinance isn't going to do anything unless it's a zoning ordinance. And currently Carroll County is only one of eight counties in the state of Virginia without a zoning ordinance. As far as getting the planning commission to do something, the planning commission has been working on a zoning ordinance for over two years. And I can assure you that 90% of the county is agricultural in that zoning ordinance. Nothing changes. If your property is being tax assessed as agriculture, that's what it will be in this zoning ordinance. Someone mentioned, I bet you it doesn't mention nuclear or data centers. We just had a zoning meeting last week and brought up the fact that we need to update our zoning ordinance to include those things. They're probably already included in the fine print, but we're going to make them rock hard solid so that if these people want to come into the county, we're going to have a say as to where they go. And believe me, we're not going to rezone anything that's agricultural to put a data center. But there are some within the community that have already benefited from solar. And now they're greatly against having data centers. So I pull up the rope, I've got mine. The Briseida. I am the person that's on the Briseida board. I was selected by my fellow board members and I appreciate the opportunity to serve on Briseida. It is in their bylaws that one of us has to be there and I'm proud to be that person. As far as telling Tony Hall or anyone else in this room what goes on in closed session in Briseida, You cannot do that. Just like our meeting starts at 6 o'clock here, we go back there for an hour in closed session. Do we come out here and tell you what we talked about? No, because we're sworn to secrecy, and that's the way it stays, and that's the way it's going to be at proceeding. Mr. Watson, has any data center announced that they are going to build in Carroll County? No. That number is what, zero? Okay, so someone mentioned I was really hoping the guy that was going to build a data center would have been here tonight so he could have told us about it. You know why he's not here? Because we don't have anybody building a data center in Carroll County. So rumors run rampant. I appreciate the fact you all want education and learn more about it. That's where I am. I am still learning. I haven't made up my mind about data centers one way or the other. There is a study. It's called JLARC. It's The J and JLARC stands for joint. That means both Republicans and Democrats on the joint legislative committee. I think it's called, let me find it. It's called the Joint Legislative Audit and Review Group. They gathered all kinds of information about data centers and they put together a report. It's right here. I've read it from front to back and This is not pro data center. It's not negative data center. It gives both sides of the equation. Talks about some of the things y'all talked about, water usage, electricity. There are recommendations that have to go to the General Assembly in Virginia to change some of the things that will help protect us from adverse uses of data centers. So I suggest that you talk to your representatives, talk to your board members about the things that that I think are important to keep data centers, solar panels, battery storage, nuclear, to keep all that stuff out of here if that's what we want. But we can't do it right now. We don't have the tools to do it. And the only way to do it is to enact zoning. Come to the Planning Commission meetings. We meet once a month. And it's open to the public, as are the BRCETA meetings. They're open to the public. Nobody ever comes. For 20 years, all I heard was people complaining about Wildwood, how we spent millions of dollars over at Wildwood, and nothing's there. Now we've got something going there, and you all are still upset about it. So I don't know where the happy medium is, but you need to keep doing what you're doing. Come to these meetings. Come to Proceda. Come to the Planning Commission. Give us your input, because that's what makes all this work. And like I said, I have not... stated publicly anything about my feelings about data centers, I'm still learning. And I encourage all of y'all to do that too, just like you're doing tonight. So anyway, I'm pretty animated about that because I've been accused of all kinds of things. Like I've made up my mind 100% that I'm in favor of data centers. No, I haven't. I haven't said anything public about my feelings about data centers. Zoning, I have. And that's to protect your land, to keep Carroll County the beautiful place it is. Without zoning, 10, 20, 50 years from now, you will not recognize it. We will be covered up by solar panels, by data centers, by wind farms, you name it. All the things that none of us want will be right here in Carroll County until we have zoning. So help me with that, please. So anyway, I'll get off my soapbox about that. I also want to express my sincere condolences to the Hutt family. It was a terrible weekend for the county, for the family, for the Sheriff's Office, for all the rescue, fire, EMS. So my heartfelt condolences go out to them. And I hope to God that we don't have to do this again anytime in the near future. It does happen and it's terrible. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Early. Mr. Collins. Yeah, first of all, I'd like to thank everybody for coming out. I'd love to see this room full every time we come together and have a meeting. Cause like Mr. Early said, we need to hear from you. And you know, one of the things that I'm doing is listening to the citizens. I want to hear what they have to say. Um, somewhat, and I'm not upset about it, but somewhat of what Mr. Early said, I've been accused of being in favor of data centers because I went to a meeting last week where they did present us with a lot of, uh, great information that made it look wonderful. Um, But I made it clear that I am not for or against, I'm trying to learn. And what I heard in this room tonight was about half the people said, we need to learn more before we pull the trigger on anything. The other half said, no, we don't want it. I think my responsibility as an elected official is to listen to my citizens and represent my citizens. And that's what I'm doing. I've had people come to me on both sides of the aisle and communicate to me what their thoughts and their plans are. With that, and I'd ask this, Mr. Durbin, I've done some research, and as has been said here tonight, there's no, and I'll say myself, no data center operation has ever stood before this board and asked us if they could put a data center in Carroll County. That hasn't happened. I've done some research where some places, and it was mentioned here tonight, have done moratoriums, adopted moratoriums saying for a certain period of time while we take time to do research that nothing can happen. I don't think that can happen in the state of Virginia. Is there anything we can do that would give us 90 or 120 days or whatever? a by-right ordinance or anything that would give us time to do more research to slow the machine down if there is something happening. I don't personally know of anything happening. But I think what it's done is it's made us aware that we've got to do the research. I mean, we've got to know what's happening and what's going to happen if it happens. So I'll let you answer that. Is there anything we can do to buy time

I wish that we could adopt a moratorium. The examples that were given tonight were in other states where either the state has itself imposed a moratorium or given the localities the specific authority to adopt a moratorium. In Virginia, that doesn't exist. I can cite you several cases where the Virginia Supreme Court has struck down moratoriums that local governments have tried to pass in the past while they try to revise a zoning ordinance or update their subdivision ordinance. There's just no authority in Virginia to do that. And in Virginia, being a Dillon rule state, it means if we want to enact some legislation, adopt an ordinance, we have to be able to point black and white to where it says in the state code that the General Assembly has given us that power. That power doesn't exist for an issue like this. There are some public health and safety areas where you might be able to do a moratorium for things that just don't apply here. So I think a land use moratorium is not going to work. Again, back to the Dillon rule, if you are going to adopt something that's going to prevent someone from developing a data center on their land, the place in black and white where you have to point to in Virginia, that's the Chapter 22 of Title 15.2, and that's land use and zoning. That's the power you have. If we need to adopt something urgently, the only thing that's really in place and ready to go, except maybe with a few adjustments, as Mr. Early said, is the zoning ordinance that the Planning Commission has been working on. I think that is what you, if you're concerned in the near term, that's what you need to take a hard look at. If you're concerned in the long term, again, that's what you need to take a hard look at. It's really your zoning ordinance. There might be some things we could do with the comprehensive plan. It's always smart to keep looking back at your comp plan and adjusting that and updating that. There might be some things we could do with what's called a 2232 review policy. You might remember a few months ago, you did some things for solar siding and utility scale Power generation siting. So there may be some things you could do, but I see that as sort of you're working on the edges of the issue. If you simply just adjust the comp plan and a 2232 policy, what really gives you assurances that you're going to be in control of what comes and what does not come is through the zoning policy. All right. Thank you for that.

May I ask him something? Yes, absolutely. Thank you. So the 22-32 review in the comp plan, if we did something on it now, I mean, are you saying it can slow it down until we can have more discussions about zoning? Can it put up a barrier? I mean, what, you know, that's what I understand. And I asked this last, and I'll get back to Ronnie, I'll go on, but I asked this last meeting, data centers don't have to come before us. Correct, Mr. Watson? There can be one pop up tomorrow and we don't know about it. So it's not like solar and everything that has to come before us. So, you know, that's my concern. But I'm sorry.

If I could say one response to that. With solar, with wind, with battery storage, those are utilities, public utilities under the Code of Virginia. So those fall under your 2232 siting plan. The way that you might be able to slow down a data center is if you use 2232 to address whether a new electrical substation should be built to serve that data center. So that would be one way that you're addressing the development of data centers. But the places that are already in Carroll County where there is sufficient power, 2232 is not going to come into effect. So wherever there is power... In theory, someone could build a data center, if there's sufficient power for that, without coming to the Planning Commission with $22,000 to review.

Thank you, Mr. Durbin. Sorry, Mr. Collins, you go ahead.

Yeah, I just want to finish up with this. Something that I wrote, Deputy Logan lived in my community. His family's there. I grew up with his aunts and grandparents. His grandmother and grandfather were very near and dear to my heart. There are days when public service is routine, and then there are days like this past Friday that remind us of its cost. Deputy Logan Up paid the ultimate price while serving and protecting the people of Carroll County. His watch on earth has ended, but his legacy of courage, service, and sacrifice will live on in this community for generations. We honor him, we pray for his family, and we pray that his sacrifice will never be forgotten. Deputy Logan was instrumental in helping in an issue that happened near my property. And I just have to say that he's one of the most brave young officers that I've ever met. And he's going to be dearly missed in that community. Our prayers and our thoughts go out to his family, his friends, the department. I want to say a special thank you to Sheriff Kevin Kemp, Chief Deputy, chuck edwards and all the deputies who i mean every single one of them who've worked hours and hours and hours without rest this past weekend it was a it was a different world in our community this past weekend than what we're used to people behind locked doors afraid to go outside and just concerned about what could happen. So I'm thankful of all the communities we got to witness the motorcade that brought Logan back home today. I think we counted 133 vehicles that were in that motorcade and people as far as Botetourt County. Tazewell County, lots of counties at a far distance who have come to help during this time. I'm thankful for the leadership that we have in our emergency services. Everybody stepped up to serve and I'm just appreciative of that. That's all I have. Thank you, Mr. Collins. Mr. Moore?

Yeah, I'll echo the sentiments of the rest of the board and give my sincere condolences to Mr. Rutt and family and just a tragic event, but it's an event that you see when something like that happens, what a wonderful county we live in. Me and my family went through nothing tragic like that, but an ordeal that we saw the love of the community, and that's what we're seeing through this, and it always gives you a great sense of pride and pleasure of the little county we live in. I want to thank all that the board's done to help the Sheriff's Department in different ways. And I know Mr. Collins is the chaplain of the Sheriff's Department. Spent a lot of hours and a rough time, you know, with the family and commend you for that and thank you for that service. And thank Mike and Crystal for all they've done for the deputies and the citizens of the county just through their prayers is what we all can offer right now. And just thank everybody for stepping up in that aspect. On the topic of some of the things tonight that have been discussed, Mr. Chairman, I really personally, I spoke with Durbin about some different things as far as that you hear other communities doing like raising taxes. You hear a spot zone and electrical power where there's enough power. I don't know much about the AP power of things and Mr. Durbin, you say if they've got enough power, but from everything I've always been told, it's just like at Exit 19 where the tomato factory is, or plucked, the power in a substation is built for that. It's not like built for that plus a bunch more, you know, when they size that stuff and different things. And, you know, you hear a lot of different things of moratoriums, ordinances, tax incentives or breaks, or even in what Danville done as far as raising the taxes on the data centers to try to, you know. But number one is like Mr. Early mentioned to Mr. Watson and Ronnie about discussions. We are the Board of Supervisors. We do not have zoning. The only thing that I feel that we really have is the opportunity to tax Or we own the water system. You know, we do own the water system. But I think one thing that we need to do, we need to have a meeting as a board. We need to have these discussions amongst us, you know, rather than through Facebook or whatever. I mean, no, a data center has never been in front of us. But, you know, they could be building one right now while we're here and we don't know about it. So I really think that we need to have them discussions, whether it be zone and spot zone. And what we can do, have council here. I know we're going to have a budget meeting. I would like to possibly be able to add that into it so we could have these discussions of not things that if we chose to stop them or not to stop them, but it's not very good if our hands are tied and we have nothing. is my opinion on that. I'd like to see that. Other than that, thank everybody for coming out. Continue to keep Hogan's family in your prayers and thankful for our law enforcement and our EMS and all the men and women that serve. That's all I have.

You want to set another meeting?

Yeah, next Monday night if we can. I think it needs to be a budget work session and closed session. if we could do that. Or when can council be here? I mean, I know you're... Can you do that? What day were you looking at, sir? Next Monday. Next Monday. The 8th or the 15th. 8th or the 15th is the one.

I'm fine.

I just think that we would need a day that you could be here. If the... The 15th, I think, would work better. All right. I'll make a motion we meet 15th at 5 o'clock for a public hearing. 5.30. 5.30. For not a public hearing, but for a budget work session and closed session.

I may be out of town, but I'd like to join by phone. Okay. So it's a motion at June 15th, 5.30? Yeah. And this is a budget work session and closed session for discussion? Yeah. Okay.

Yeah, and then possibly a joint.

When is the planning commission, Mr. Early? When do you plan the commission meeting? Is it the third Thursday, the 18th?

The planning commission needs some time to maybe correct some deficiencies concerning data centers and other adverse events. entrance into the county. So I don't know that we need to do it this month. I just think we ought to wait a little while to give them time, Mr. Durbin.

I'm always happy whenever the board wants to have discussion or ask questions, if they want to take up what the planning commission has been working on, it would probably be smart to push that until after the 18th, just so that the commission... Because I'll be preparing some updates for them. For a joint planning commission and board meeting?

Yes.

Can we do one the week after, though? Just probably. I don't know.

It's up to Mr. Irvin. Yeah, I think that would be fine. Again, at their last meeting a couple weeks ago, they asked for some updates to that draft ordinance.

The 22nd, yeah. And the reason I say that, I mean, we need to have these discussions like Mr. Moore's talking and let the public know what options that is available.

And that would be a public meeting between the two boards without any closed session, right? Correct.

That would be.

Yeah, it would just be about data centers. And I think the 15th meeting just needs to be with the board and council. Well, I think the 22nd needs to be about data centers and have a discussion of all the options that's available, zone and whatever.

Are we meeting as a board about data centers prior to that when we do the budget?

We would just do a closed session just to seek counsel.

We'll ask counsel somebody. Well, I think the intent behind the planning commission was to finalize the zoning ordinance and then bring it to the board of supervisors for your input. Was that not the intent?

I think that's right.

So if we just talk about data centers, I don't think we're accomplishing the goal. No, I mean data centers and zoning. I mean, that needs to be all together. Well, it would certainly be discussed. Yeah.

I would hope that they would have the zoning ordinance in its final form for you all to give input.

And if not, we'll just ask questions and work through it.

That's fine. Okay. All right.

Is that good with everybody? Yep.

What day?

June 22nd. Okay. 530. Joint. Joint. All right. Sorry, Mr. Moore, you can go ahead and finish. No, I'm done. Thank you.

Okay.

All right. And lastly, you know, we're glad you all came. And feel free to reach out to us, even if it's not a supervisor. If I'm on your district, I don't mind, you know, sharing or talking to you or emails available, or you can get my number from Chris or whoever. We do appreciate you coming. That's the only way we can know – what everyone wants and citizens. And zoning is a hot topic and I'm definitely not saying I'm for zoning, so don't take it that way. But we need to have these discussions because we cannot put it on and vote on it. We can't put it on the election in November and the citizens vote on it. We've already tried that. So we have to make some tough decisions and everyone just needs to know Um, if you don't want data centers, what can stop them? If, you know, if you do, um, and I think there's, um, um, you know, some other avenues maybe we can work on to see what that will do, but we, we need to have this meeting and ask the hard questions and, and let everyone decide, um, you know, moving forward, what, what, what we need to do, um, as far as that goes. So I think a joint meeting would, would be very well. Um, and the, uh, The trash pickup is still going on. We will update the community with the new company that's coming out with their contact info and everything, so everyone can get signed up. I'm sure there'll be a few hiccups along the way, but just bear with us. Like I say, we do appreciate you coming out, and I do appreciate the community that came together. This weekend after the loss of Officer Udd, it was a senseless, tragic act. And the community has really came together. And I'm really proud to be from Carroll County, Carroll County citizen, to see everybody come together. Whether you like each other or not, agree with each other or not, everybody comes together on a common goal. And I've seen it. The deputies worked tirelessly with no rest, and they weren't going to quit. Our EMS worked. Our volunteers were there. You know, the helicopters were going over, and it was – everybody poured their heart into it in the community. And we – all the way from, like I say, the EMS to the volunteers to our deputies to state police, all the other surrounding agencies that came in and helped us. And we appreciate them and appreciate the community. And the prayer for Ms. Angeline Berry was beautiful, and I do appreciate that. And that's all I have. I will ask for a motion for adjournment.

Oh, I'm sorry. Mr. Watson? The only thing I was going to bring up for the community here that came, I'm with you as well as trying to learn more about them. If you decide that you want to come by, I have an open-door policy. If I don't have something scheduled or something in it or you'd like to call and make an appointment, I'd be more than happy to sit down and let you know what I know. But You know, I'm like everybody else. My job is to try to learn as much as I can.

Mr. Durb? Just one thing. I just want to mention that we've had the term spot zoning used a couple times tonight. I think what's really meant is some form of limited zoning. Spot zoning is an illegal practice that would get thrown out where you pick one person out and zone their property for their benefit to the detriment of the community. That's not what we're talking about. That's not what's being proposed. So I just want to say spot zoning is a term we want to steer clear of. Talk about limited zoning or comprehensive zoning, but not spot zoning. That's all I have. Can we zone our water lines?

All right.

Thank you, Mr. Urban. I will entertain a motion for a move.

One more thing, if you don't mind.

Yes, Mr. Urban.

I thought maybe Mr. Watson was going to do it, but I'll do it. There is a fund set up at Skyline National Bank for Deputy Yutt. If you want to donate some money for the use by his family, go by Skyline, tell them that that's the purpose, and they will put it towards that purpose. I'm sorry, what?

Yes. Miss Easter, come on up, please. I'll let you have the floor.

The lady that said the prayer and stuff, I think it is her, has offered her fellowship hall wherever they're at. But there is a lady that's trying to get a bingo together. And I know I looked it up and it showed woodlawn. So if anybody wants to know anybody that wants to donate, it's actually on Facebook. Her son, Ronnie, her nephew was the one that had cancer a year ago. I can't thank their Macmillans. I can't thank their names, but they're trying to get it, you know, and check it out on Facebook, you know, because I'm going to get her to... you know, start an event and, you know, can you share it and help? And because I know that the family really, she's a school teacher. She doesn't make a fortune, you know, you know, and everything. And, and I'm hoping we can change. I'm starting to go and work on changing these people that needs to be in behind bars. days behind bars. I personally am scared to go in my yard because I'm scared of bullets flying. And that is unreal. And they were friends, this person's friends, with the guy that shot Logan. Unfortunately, he has been in my driveway.

Thank you. Thank you, Ms. Easter. Thank you.

I make that motion, Weavers. Motion adjourned. Adjourned. I'll second that. Second by who?

I'll second. Mr. Ehrlich. Yes. Mr. Horton. Yes. Mr. Bryant. Yes. Mr. Collins. Yes. Mr. Moore.

Yes.

Thank you.