Planning and Zoning Commission - Regular Meeting

Okay, ordered the first of December for the new winter planning commission. Uh, as always, we operate from an agenda based on information primarily that I've gotten but might be about a week before the meeting and this is the agenda that came from that. Uh, I will assume that one of you Jeffrey we have here the first We will because it's your kind of new business for us even though it's really old business.

Uh so first off we'll start with the pledge of allegiance. [clears throat] I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. [snorts]

So, this is a real treat. We're going to have two sets of minutes to approve tonight. Um, I [snorts] will assume everybody's had an opportunity to take a look at the October minutes. Uh, we had some guests that night and I wanted and last meeting I I mentioned about a couple changes that I wanted to do in there for a couple times with David. So, uh, I can get a motion. Oh, first off, any questions about the October 27th minutes, additions, changes. All right. I get a motion to accept the minutes. So moved. Okay. Got a motion by Dave Grayson. Second by I

by Rebecca. Thank you, Rebecca. All those in favor signify by I. I. Opposed. All right. Good. We got one, two, three, four, five, six of us and the November 24th minutes. Any comments, questions? Get a motion to accept the minutes of the 11:24. Make a motion accept by November. Second by Dave Grayson. All those in favor signify by I. All right. Opposed. All right.

All right. Councilman Hoffman. Merry Christmas. Merry Christmas to you all. Couple things couple things I'll bring up. Um going on. We're It's that time already that we're going to be starting budget preparation. Um January work session, we'll start doing um presentations on each part of the budget. So, um, you know, if there's anything that you guys know of that that I I might need to take, uh, to the council about the budget, please let me know and I'll see what we can do about that. Um, I could comment on that one. Sure.

I'll be making a list. So, if there's anything that anybody has, if you could feel free to to bring it up at this meeting, but otherwise you can always email me and uh and I'll put together something to send to uh Dave because you'll be obviously you'll take it to the Sure. Thank you.

Yep. Um secondly, just so you all know, um we do have uh an agreement um with the Reapers baseball to use the Lions Club field. So, our Lions Club field down on the other side of the the uh fire grounds that that the town keeps up, we have an agreement with and we've been doing that for a number of years with um the [snorts] Reapers baseball club. So, they have they do a lot of maintenance and things on that field for us as well and they have first right uh for their games and tournaments and things like that. So, uh just wanted to bring that up because the field is being used regularly and we've been doing that for for a couple years now with the Reapers. They're a private uh baseball club in the area. So, they're like a travel club and

tournament team, I think. What age group? Um I think it's 18 and under. Oh, okay. Yeah. So, it's a little older kids, right?

Yes. Yes. Um the wanted to let you know that uh town manager DY has been looking into um the lining of our water man. So the raw the wa the raw [clears throat] water lines that run as you know we have that five miles of old super old pipe coming from our main springs and you know we've been looking at at options to get water closer to town and all but we still can't forget about where our main water comes from and um so he started uh talking to some um contractors that do water line just to get prices on it and um it's about I don't know 12 or 13,000 ft of water line. And we got two prices. Uh, one was about 2.6 million and one was about 3.9 million. And that's a a ton of money, but it's a ton of money cheaper than if we had to replace those water lines at whole. Um, not only for the cost of the the excavation and the the piping and all that kind of stuff, but there's rightway issues that we may have to secure and things like that. and um uh lining the water lines may make it a a a bunch cheaper for the town to do it that way. Now, this is just exploratory and we don't know if we're going to go that way or what we're eventually going to do, but I I think it's very good on Gary's part that he's looking ahead and trying to figure out, you know, the best for the town to do on those water

line all the way up. Yeah. [snorts] All the way out to the [clears throat] to the main springs. Mhm. We there's a couple sections that we've already replaced some pipes up by our our our chlorine tank and things like that. So that doesn't count those, but we have a a lot of a lot of water line that that goes out to the main spring. So there other municipalities that have done that something as old as this. Yeah, we we've common procedure. Yeah, it is a common procedure. And if you remember, we've did that in town on our sewer lines. We've we've um relined them and saved a ton of money by doing that. It was it was much cheaper to do that and it and it lasts a long time. So,

it's a cement, right? They like put in a balloon kind of thing and pump cement around it and they do sections at a time and it's it's very interesting and it it it see you know they go from manhole to manhole I know on the the sewer thing and it's pretty Are there manholes? No, it'll be it would be a different deal out there, but it is lining them. My understanding is that with that uh came from the UK. I read that one time that the uh [snorts] British designed that engineering debt.

You know, we have there's some streams that we cross and and things like that. So, there's, you know, these are just estimates. You don't know when we're besides streams if there's erosion and things like that that causes us to have to do additional kind of work and we don't know what exactly we would run into, but we would run into those same issues if we had to, you know, dig the pipe up for next to the pipe and put in a new pipe. It would that would be tremendous. I'm sure there's [snorts] not a guarantee, but what are what kind of a useful way for the

Yeah, I I don't know all the specifics of of the the guarantees for the the waterline lining. I don't know that. [snorts] reason for people to come to the town council meetings and that put you in the spot of having the answer all. Thank you. Gary probably knows a lot more about that than I do. I guarantee that. [laughter] Citizens. Yes.

Um and last thing, uh at our last meeting, we talked about um the February 4th public hearing. I know you probably talking about that for the water resource element, but I needed to check to see if I could be there um because it's the same night as the town council meeting and it looks like it's not an issue if for some reason that meeting ran late and I wasn't to get back here in time. There's still a quorum for the count the town council meeting. So, as of now, that would be a go on February 4th. Mark's working that and we'll talk about that later. That's all. Thank you, Dave. You're welcome.

And Javier did mention that he wasn't going to be able to make the meeting and he did I did forward all the maps to everybody and there were a couple minor additions that and he sent those out. I'm not I don't recall he didn't send them out today. I don't know if they went to everybody or not but I'll make sure everybody got those. They [clears throat] are going to do a print uh Fortunately, in the letters that I think I CCed everybody when I asked for 11 by [cough] 14 actually 11 by 17 that was 11 by 14 but we'll get the big sizes for the those of us with older eyes. um wanted to give an update because [cough] been a fair amount of activity since our last meeting um about the we had Dave and I were at a meeting with the mayor and uh [cough] about the Springdale master plan that they somewhat [snorts] brought that to us a couple months ago. Uh if you recall, there were a couple phases that they they [snorts] had four phases and they were trying to coers us into going through at least one or two. Uh we did not even take a vote on that. See, that's what happens when you sit on the side of the room. I had to shake. Um, so we and so I left that Wayne was there also and Michelle. [snorts] So we've been working on a letter and um I saw Gary's thing saying could respond by Monday when I did but time I was responding he was already sending that out.

Yeah, there was a there was a lot of input. It wasn't dramatic changes. It was more, you know, comma instead of a semicolon sort of thing. Um, but it's gone out. The bottom line on it is they need to give us a whole lot more information before we're going to be able to even begin to process any of their requests. So,

and even uh when we had them here, we had said we weren't at a spot that we could go and even begin to look at their plan because they had to do some ground work with the town, probably the state and the county. So, um Gary or or there's a letter that came from uh it's going to be coming or did come from uh Kevin went out today, this afternoon to the principal president of uh Springdale and uh we will we will see how that goes. But it's a couple page letter outlining these are the general themes of what you need to start, you know, coming up with some answers and it'll probably be a while before it gets to us, but u we we'll keep you in the loop as as as best we can. Um the 10-year plan as was presented to us sounds like it's now a 25-y year plan. That's part of what I put in. I like what it is. Either way, it's not something that happens in a month or two. This will be going on by this time. Make sure we'll still be chatting. So, um the next item on our agenda is the uh Mr. Defer, if uh you would like to chat with us. If I just give a quick little background, u I think I mentioned last meeting that we would be having this and that we did have and I think it was 2018 is when we were you the one that presented to us then?

No. No. Okay. I didn't think so. Okay. Okay. But 2018 um and it was the site behind Rebecca's house that is um behind the alley uh from the post office, but it was uh going to be four four lots and you're coming with a with a change. Not everybody was here then. So would [snorts] ask if you could could chat with them about this. And I don't know if I've got that because I don't have internet access. I did send that out. Would you send to me? I did forward to everybody. [cough and clears throat]

I I can look for it if you'd like to start chatting, but I don't know. I don't think I've got it saved. I'm not print anything out. Did anybody happen to print? Okay.

[snorts] Um actually the room in this kind of

and anybody gentleman over there in the blue is the one that most used to looking documents. I'll give you a small sheet. Okay. Thank you. So, originally, uh I think this had come to you as a four lot subdivision. Okay. Makes more sense. Or they had one coming back. Was a funky driveway to get to

one of the properties. the the fourth lot originally was positioned up uh to the north side of the site. Fourth lodge initially ran across the site kind of sneaking map. Uh due to the due to the topography, if you go out and look at the site, you can kind of see it's pretty pretty nice rolling hill. The fourth lot didn't make sense as far as engineering goes as far as earthport goes. as far as getting utilities back and certainly coming in between here and Hartsler and putting a road in here building. I didn't like that either.

A three lot layout which is basically three lots running straight back to property. There'll be three single family residentials. Um and that is is that Lambert standing on the bottom? Yeah, it's Lambert on the bottom and uh drive the way. Um each lot will have that's about to the utilities. There'll be some onlock storm water management which will be in the form of down spout dry wells. Do we have anything else on there for storm water?

No, except for just shallow grass area right next to the driveways which soaks up some water. Yeah, we'll have some uh possibly some disconnect areas which is done by braiding and grass to offset some of the there will be a retaining wall which would be on the east side of the property just to accommodate grading and to uh maintain some little bit separation from the adjoiner there. How how high will it be? It is high is how high that was here.

Yeah, I think at peak it's about 10 ft at the at the highest. It kind of it's shallower at the top and shallower at the bottom. The deepest part will be kind of in the center of the lot. So, is there is there plans I'm sorry. Is there plans then to have some kind of railing on that wall to from Hartsler's property? We haven't shown, but we certainly could could incorporate railing at the top something on College Avenue, right, Dave? I'm sorry. College Avenue is where we have had the work done and we had them put a railing up there on top of that retaining wall. Yes, Glenn's saying that he thinks it's six foot. I believe the requirement is six foot. You have to have a railing. Mandatory.

That's not a problem. Um there's nothing special. The the there will be a little bit of um excess cut from the site that the the car will have to find the appropriate place to haul off a little bit of dirt. We just don't have room to accommodate based on other than that. There's really not much going on on that site. It's pretty straightforward. Now you have the curb on Lambert Avenue now [clears throat] home design. Yeah.

We don't have the specific plans yet Jeff. We're plann to when you get to a point you can come to us again share because that's what we've been doing with the other developments. We haven't had many, but you know, we want to have avenue be able to somewhat blend in with the town. Yeah, sure. Understood. Not all glass, right? [snorts] These will be what I would call normal presidential presidential dwellings. Yeah. Two story. [snorts] [cough and clears throat]

Uh other than that, there's really not any infrastructure proposals on the site. I feel like the setbacks look like they fit with code. Sorry, I didn't prepare to be able to show it up here on screen. So, I have a couple questions. Um, you mentioned about you might have some dirt or whatever. You got to find a place. So, you may want to talk to the town um down at our public works department. we may have a place or a need to

that you could you all have to talk to them. I don't know. I'm just offering that as a possibility. Um secondly, when I was looking at the plans up in the back, I thought I saw a the maybe the back of each property was a storm water maybe a a retention. It was in the back of the properties in the corners. Did I ever see these? Did I These are down spout. These are underground. Okay. Dry wells. Yeah, they're dry wells. They're dry wells. Each individual lot for each individual lot two two two dry wells. So they were really they're really deep then I imagine because that you know looking at the topography of that land.

Five that five feet is the 5t the max cover. They'll be 5t or less under existing grade on top. Okay. So you have two of them on each lot. Two of them each. Yeah. And then these are I was taking it sidewalks all the way down. Nope. These are This is a water and sewer connection. Okay. I was wondering that didn't make sense to me when I was trying to see that. Is there an existing curb on Lambert? Yeah. It's the I think is I think that's a cement curb. That's a cement curve the whole way would have to be cut. And so you would just redo that and then you would tie the sidewalk together and everything there.

Um so I don't think there's any sidewalk on this side. sidewalk on either side. Yeah, it doesn't have I mean, we certainly could offer a sidewalk across the front of the Yeah, I would think from the [clears throat] from the alley to the property line or even Yeah.

And [snorts] what about the repairs in Lambert Avenue? Is that is that designed anytime to get overlaid? We just did it. We just did it. Yes. Last year or this past fall we just So they have to dig back into that to dig up to one or so to run it through the property line unless it's coming off of of Lambert. They're all They're all coming off. They're all Lambert's the Lambert would be the Yeah. I don't think there's anything in that alley. Okay. Yeah. Is there a landscaping plan?

I think at this point we're just proposing street trees, but we can certainly offer more if we would like some kind of screen. I think you are provided screening on the one side because it's supposed to. Oh yeah, there's a little bit of screening on this slide. Okay. up towards the back just the screen few uses but we certainly could provide more going to shade you might want to consider screening on this house too for that side and just as that side too. Okay.

Wouldn't you think if they're screening to one side protecting the one house you wouldn't want to put screening on the other side or [clears throat] [clears throat] Any [snorts] other thoughts, questions from the group?

So, these lots you'll be leveling off the lots. So they'll essentially be sitting a little lower grade than say the Hartster property next door because they're they kind of go up kind of go up a little grade to their going to be retained wall of about 10 foot the so the house the houses themselves will be um let's see I don't know what the first floor joiner is they'll they'll be similar in elevation. They won't be that far off. There's a 486 488 contour at the back side of his house and the back side of our homes are uh about 82 83. So about quite a difference for the house itself. It won't be dramatic, but there'll be some elevation difference on the new runs.

The how many square feet the two homes the two uh what's what's 38 by 46 about 2500? I mean I'm close. Yeah, they're about 60 by 40. Yeah. 2400. [snorts]

Yeah. So, if you do 382,000 have garages. Pardon? Garages. I assume they'll have a garage here in the front of the house. In the front and a full basement.

I assume full basement have garage and full basement. And Dave, I'm assuming since there's not a lot of property that this would still with these three homes would there's not an issue with the water and correct. Yeah, I think that was that was factored in the in the town's capacity the the three lots. Yeah, we had Gary early on.

Is that mice or what is it? I think it's mice because I'm not seeing any humans. So, we don't want to call it Wayne and M. That's what bodyguards are for. See if anything bites you. Go back. No, I'm joking. I'm joking. We need to take a vote on this, right? That Well, where where are we? Is this a concept plan approval? And we're not to the preliminary plan stage yet. I don't think you have This is uh in for concept. This is in for concept. So yeah, you can you can vote on it conceptually and say three lots of this approximate size with an approximate this that and the other thing are okay. I mean that's a relatively informal process. Is that a technical term? This that

this and the other. Yeah. You got to make sure and the other is the other in okay yeah I think that's a good idea. That way they know that they can proceed with this general concept until um any other questions come up. Oh, by the way, sorry I'm a little late. That's okay. Glad you're here. [clears throat]

All right. Can I get a motion to um accept the concept plan that's been presented to us? Let's see here. I put Okay. By D BPR Civil Design, they confirms uh for the three properties off of Lambert. Uh, so that would be I guess north of Lambert. Yeah, north of Lambert. U get a motion. Well, I have a I have a question before. Have the joining land owners, have they been notified or aware of the

uh so the the process for a minor in Carol County doesn't require any notification. So um Okay. Okay. Well, the Carol County process isn't necessarily our process. True. That having been said, I don't think we require one either. Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. I just need to make sure everybody understands that we are distinct. Even though everything that we take in, they see, but they look at it from our rules and our perspective generally, unless it's storm water management, blah blah blah.

And Maybe what we can do when you come in with the design um I I'll when this gets posted online the agenda I can I have another note put on there for the community so they can also be aware that you know you might want to pay attention to come to the meeting or watch it online. I can make that announcement and then maybe also announce council meeting too. Okay. I I think

I think by eliminating the fourth house and not creating the alley behind Hartsler and the existing houses up on Maple, I think that's going to solve a lot of the problems. And I don't really see an issue if they're willing to put a little screening, which they did, between the properties. And this is this is a pretty clean layout if you ask me. So yeah much of what we had before because I know we had question a lot of questions about [snorts] especially that little so good. Okay motion

I make a motion that we approve it conditionally and then we'll see what the uh next step is the preliminary and the and the final and then go from there. Motion by Glenn. I'll second it. Second by Kevin. All those in favor signify by I. I. Okay. 70. Thank you. Thank you, gentlemen. You're you're free to begin your holidays or you can they just mentioned it. Thank you for coming in. Kevin,

send a letter to [cough] Thanks, Jeff. [clears throat]

Thank you. a drift belt. Got to get to Gainesville, Virginia this morning. Oh, his personal personal 2000. Yeah. Yeah, that's Chevy Blazer I got in September. [laughter] All right, I feel better now. I got $97. Oh, I used to the wrong post office all these years. [laughter] I took this job. I wouldn't have to do that.

They reminded me. Um I should I was just an update. Last month, we briefly chatted about who could be available for that February 4th meeting because the choice was we could we could the town could have its own public hearing or we could go and dovetail with the county the county planning commissioners on the water resource element. and uh we chatted about it briefly and the general felt like we'd be willing to be part of the county's public hearing uh which is going to be on the 4th. Yes, February 4th at 6:00. I'll also include that next meeting. Uh but I'm also doing it now. I did reach out to the county and let them know that I was here.

Yeah. She was here with that. Yep. When they wanted us to come up to talk to the planning commission I went to. So I will I've already let them know that that's where we were planning that we were not going to have a separate public hearing and we would need to have a quorum there and that's what Dave was alluding to that he could be one of those four. I know I can't I think everybody said they'd

be room there. We have to take a few just precautionary steps to make sure we don't wind up having an inadvertent illegal public meeting that's not advertised. If everybody goes, then you run the risk of being an an open meeting because you have the membership there that could take action. And I have seen it many times is that everybody starts out very innocently not intending to like talk to each other even, but that doesn't ever happen. And uh if three of you sit in the front row or four of you sit in the front row or the back row and somebody says, "Well, that sounds like a good idea." Poof. You are running the risk that you're having an open. It's not difficult to advertise that there's a hearing and XYZ people are going to, you know, planning to attend, no town business will be done, whatever, blah blah. But I would much rather have that notified and clear. Even if you all sit separately and pretend you hate each other, that's okay. But I just be aware that if before you get to that date, if it looks like you're going to have four or more of you, there are other steps we need to take. There are easy steps, but we need to take them.

Okay. Well, we have to have four of us there. We have to have a quorum present for the planning commission here. I guess. Yeah, if it's going to be constituting a hearing, we are going to have that. So, if there's We'll have to think about how to to do that. That in and of itself isn't a problem. It's I guess I'm confusing myself with the conflict with you being at the council meeting. It's We'll figure it out and we'll make sure it gets done right. Would uh publication Yeah, we just need to publicize that the planning commission is going to be at, you know,

wherever. Just as if if you were having a a tour of a facility, you all decided you were going to go look at the Lambert's subdivision property and you were all going at one time. That has to be listed as the commission is here doing a tour of the Lamberts and no decisions will be made or whatever we have to write. We just need to make sure it gets put wherever all those kind of notices need to get put. Okay. And so I know our meetings are put out there on the town website. Mhm. Is that sufficient? If we were to say there will be a public hearing on the February 4th at the county office building,

if that is if the website is where and the only way that meetings are advertised, then I think advertising it on the website is adequate. I know we I used to tell you to post up at the post office, but they won't let you do that apparently anymore. And we used to have a little sign board out front that's gone. So, um, the website, the Facebook, anywhere that the town would ordinarily put out information, that's where it should go. And town is great. I will tell you cuz I follow you on Facebook and [snorts] I'm always so happy to see there's a lot of stuff coming out of New Windsor on Facebook. So, that's good that you know that they're used to thinking in those terms. So I know Gary says he looks at these meetings and Dana looks at these meetings. So

these meetings these meetings. Yeah. So um looking for Dana or Gary to that notice for us at the at the end of we're in the middle of January. That's plenty of time for February 4th meeting. We just need to make sure we don't forget to put it in there.

I am. and blah blah blah. I love respectful terms [laughter] just didn't go long enough to say this. So, um, what I sent out to everybody was, and I know we've had different iterations of this over the years, but this was the latest, and I do this as two separate files just because there's so much detail in the table contents, it keeps changing. And then, [snorts] of course, there the maps. So first of the files that I sent was comprehensive plan intro and then the table of contents list of acronyms that we've used throughout uh the maps and I had these words put in there most recent ones and then there's the various tables that are out here. So this is a listing of those items and that will go in the front of the hard copy. Then we have the actual comprehensive plan that we've been working from and that up working on tonight. and what I sent everybody that has the word December in the file heading. So that way you can tell that apart from the other ones that have been sent to you. Um and one of the items that because of having the the changing in the administration who was putting these together from how I don't even remember how we began

but then we had Emily and then I took it over from her. Um, I sent the words out to everybody. We hadn't got the census data. And then when I got that together, I had sent the version out. This version that I sent says December 2025 has all of that information combined together. Um, and we've not really discussed those tables and the numbers that were in there. The tables that you had with what I said had the 20 or excuse me, the 2000 information. The tables now have the 2020. And I'll never forget our esteemed attorney sitting there commenting for about five minutes about one of the tables because I had forgotten that we had old data that was in there. Uh so you have this is the latest and um It really would be a value to have other eyeballs on it because what I did was take the tables, put them together, and put words of what I interpreted from those tables and would really be a value. Um, and I kind of mentioned that two months ago that I would send this out um and then um did not mention it last month. So, but I put it on the agenda for this month's meeting. But um at the pleasure of the group, we can we could just continue on with the verbiage now and maybe next month look at those tables or if I hear that people have looked at the tables and they're willing to comment on them. But I do think we need to have another set of eyes on these. So that that's our first [snorts] decision tree. Do we continue on with the verbiage of where we are and come back to that or do we go and spend and spend a little time on those tables? [snorts] Makes no difference to me. Either way, [cough]

look at this. I'm too close into the weeds. And then I will also add there will be a final a final version of this because we're pretty close to the end. When we pull these when I put these two files together, we will all get a hard copy. You all have an electronic and then the county [clears throat] Javier is already starting to accumulate some notes and some suggestions. I know the county has to do a review anyway. Um, this will go to the town council uh for their review also and then it will come back to us either as an acceptance or here's some things we'd like to see differently or change or for us to discuss because our role is to make the recommendation to the council. The council will vote on the comprehensive plan and um for example, you know, I will put together a summary for this group of some of the highlights. For instance, the Hoff property, you know, what we did with the Hoff property, you know, we voted to include that part of the growth area boundaries, but you know that that'll be highlighted. So the council may decide, you know, we aren't in support of that. then we have to have a discussion about because it's it's us the council is the legal uh authority but if we make a recommendation I'm not sure how [snorts] that works if we make a recommendation they don't agree with it we have to accept it or we have a discussion

a discussion is always a good place to start yes um the goal is to be able to have enough discussion that you can reach a compromise that's not always possible That's where you come in. Us. Yeah. Yeah. Me and Marco Rubio are traveling the globe solving problems. We are traveling a little bit more. So yeah, it it can be very thorny on the can, but more often than not, those things get resolved. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm not expecting any thorniness. I think our thorniness is going to come from the county because I think that they have requirements for recently in the past state requirements.

Oh, state requirements. State requirements and I don't know because we began this so long ago [snorts] be grandfather or not, but we will we will cross that when we come to it. I pointed that out to the mayor and town manager and they shook their heads rofully. That's right. We would like to see this end because we want to get to the code and start read I'm excited for that. Yeah, I'm excited. Yes. You'll love that. It's It's really fun. It's not that bad. No, it's it's less cool when All right. So, decision trees. Anybody had a chance to look at any of the tables and want to chat any about those or we want to

I didn't get a chance to look out. I have not had a chance to go through all those. No. Now, I will add this is not fun stuff sitting at home on your computer looking at it. It it might be might be fun looking at it together here. I didn't open all the 20 attachments

because it is demographics. It is things like um you know what the average house value is versus what it was you know you 20 years ago and uh you know education level and stuff like that. So to me that's about the only real fun that I've had in doing this. Uh it's a little bit eye opening. Um, but again, this is 2020 data for the most part. We're now five years later. When Gary and I had discussions and there were meetings about how many people we have in town, the numbers are very different now than the 2020 census because Snater Summit was still building. I think they might even still be building in 2020, but they certainly are, you know, increased the number of citizens. Yeah, I

think even the reserve still may have had a couple openings, right? Still no, reserves totally finished. I'm Yeah, okay. All right. So, you might have an opinion one way or the other. Stick with maybe the verbiage. I mean since the table information would take more research than what

well there's not any more research changing or oh I see those numbers that way or something like that or we don't need to have it in there. There are a couple things that have been pulled out. Uh, one in particular I will mention is there was and again we were led on doing this by a a planner from the cow county plan and um so what goes into this what doesn't go into it you know that's she kind of guided us on the elements um and this version is just kind of an updating of that of more current data uh but it's not really changing the concept of you know what goes in and what doesn't. Uh but there was a section on the rental properties and since all the data in fact when we did this in 20s 20 I guess 20 odds was all provided by the county uh the county does not have the data county people said they don't have it on rentals so we don't have that in the plan and I'll point that out when we get to it. So what I would then ask because each one of these tables in here stands alone um and then right after each of the tables or just before but most of the time it's just right at the table there will be a paragraph talk about what the date is showing and for the most part it is a comparison of 2000 to 2020. Um I I think there was some pretty cool eye opening things in there, but I'll ask that you take a look at those and then next month we'll make that the first item that we'll go through and just roll those. I think we got like 28 tables. I think it is

24. Okay. All righty. So, we'll do the Drew. Well, I mean, that's okay. I mean, that's You spoke up first. It's okay.

On the battlefield, so there's nobody getting shot. So, it's good. It's okay to speak up first. And if you recall two months ago, because last month we didn't get around to doing this, there were a couple of tables that we had in here. One of them was a listing of resources that come that we could reach out to national or state. We pulled that out and there were a couple of items that were taken out. So, we're now down to like 97 pages and since we were starting at like 151, I think that's we've made some progress. All right. So, 73 is where I have. Yep, there we go. So, we are at the We're chapter 11, page 73. historic and cultural resources. What we had in here, probably the biggest item we had in here was a table of all different places you can go for. You're doing something to your home that table. Mhm.

So, we've gone through there was the listing of the uh we had a little discussion about the storage structures that were here. This is the table that was in there.

Uh the last time we did this plan and obviously it was stored then now there's no addition to this. I didn't get anything from Carol County. So, but I'm still marking this as the date 2006. And I did ask uh Lisa who is president of the New Windsor Heritage and I'll reach out to her see if there's anything she might have to add to this but couple people I reached out to there wasn't anything. So then we have a little bit of community needs and we are now at recommended actions. where we are picking up tonight. So from the versions that people have that they made notes on said any things out this first one that you read like to see changed or commented on or

is the new Windsor Heritage Committee still in? Absolutely. Okay. I didn't that that was my only question. and I just didn't know that they were still around to make sure that that was still a valid group. I'm sorry. Just don't tell her. I don't think we need to list the

I said I don't think we need to list her committee approximately. Okay. to just take that whole sentence out. You think well I think the heritage committee although not affiliated with the county government um to say the heritage committee is not affiliated. Oh okay say the committee is concerned with activities. Yeah, I thought the rest.

Yeah, the rest of it would be fine. Okay. So, 15 members command. It's it's it's still around. Yeah, I leave it out.

Okay. The heritage committee [snorts] say which is not affiliated government is concerned with activities that promote school. Okay, fair enough. you know, that archaeology dig hasn't gone in a while, but I can't say that it's dead either because I know that there's been talk with that's something that they could get involved with. So, I'm kind of inclined to want to still leave that in there even though it's it's during call. It's not It's been a couple years since you did a house tour, but I don't think that's that's ended. It's just the same people forever.

Nobody's getting I guess you can probably take out 1994 since that was 30 years ago. Yeah. Remember when Lincoln came through? [laughter]

Yeah. I'll say a walking tour has done or a walking tour is this. item two.

So all the specifics that we have in item two for the the sign for signs information is that's all in our code, right? Yeah. So I don't think any of that should be here. I agree. Especially because it might change. That's right. And we would never think to change it in both places. And the last thing you want to do is to be changing your master plan if you decide to change all sign. So it's all in the code. We should leave it in the code. That's where it belongs. Yeah. You could reference that, you know, point to the code from here, but don't put the specifics.

So what are you recommending? Just the whole take all section two out. No, I think you I think you can put some burgers. The town of Newsor has a a signed um code regulations applicable in various whatever exactly. Yeah. So he crosses clean that up. So all this size, lettering, elimination, all that. We don't need all that stuff in here.

Okay. Done. Boom. We like that. So all the way down to three comes out.

Done.

Okay. The main street. Well, before we move on, this is under recommended actions. Number two says recommended action is to review and revise the Windsor science blah blah blah blah blah blah. So, is that really an action anymore? Well, it is something that you do either

at a at a at a broad sense that you review the whole code or you review for a particular potential use or whatever. So, a review of your town code on zoning is ongoing depending on need and as circumstances change the town code regarding zoning and signage will you know be occasionally updated something like that. I think that's sort of just ongoing. Yeah. Yeah. It's sort of obvious, but it and because your code isn't frozen,

right? New Windsor has a section of its town code which is dedicated to sign and is ready to review as needed. Yeah, that's I think that that does it.

Two All right, Dave, you've been living with this main street, streetscape, whatever we call it. What you got is

Well, we're we're we're finally making We're getting there. We're getting close. We're getting close. I just did the final review of our plan the state in early December December 10th. Um so things are moving forward. So I think we want to [clears throat] um we need to say something about that. We need to consider we need to continue to support the main street. I would say not continue developing or I would say continue to support the development. Right. Yeah. Continue to support the development. I like that. And it's a state initiative, right? It's a state

initiative. Joint partnership. Yeah. It's not really a partnership though because they do certain things and we do certain things. They're knowing that we have things that we had to do to continue to move forward. They have a lot of resources dedicated to this project. How about the state town joint main street effort or streetscape or

town input or something? What about a joint undertaking? And I think we need to get the word sidewalk in there. [laughter] Well, and the reason is because the state's program is about sidewalk sidewalks. Okay. The streetscape goes along with it, but sidewalks is ADA compliance. Pedestrian.

They they use the word sidewalk. You could throw all kinds of words. You could say sidewalk and any other necessary pedestrian access. Put as many words in there as possible. Support the state town joint sidewalk and I will put streetscape because I mean they are funding lots of stuff through that but it's all under the opices. What do they call it nowadays? They don't call it streetscape. No, it's got a it's got a sidewalk thing in it, but it's it gets called everything under the sun. Yeah. Is that on the on the mile long project number on the mile long map back there that we could figure out what word that is still back up there? That whole long

I think so thing on the side. That word continue to support the state town joint sidewalk streetscape undertaking.

Yeah. That's fine. I mean, because it's been an ongoing thing. That's still want to keep the rest of this in. Obviously more than 20 years doesn't change the last sentence if and when funding becomes available but sounds like maybe just with available fun with the

funding is supposed to be would be apparent available funding. Yes. [snorts] Yeah. still anticipated instead of apparent. Yeah. Is it is it actually from state highway administration? Is it exclusively from state highway administration? Know that I feel comfortable saying that. [snorts]

I'm trying to see if I have her latest email. instead of a [snorts] parent. You suggested anticipated just feels a little snarky to me. Accurate perhaps, but snarky.

See, they call the whole thing the sidewalk retrofit project, but I would retrofit. So, but I would keep streetscape in there as well because that anything that's ever been called than just a sidewalk retrofit. Retrofit slash street. I I would put that. Yes. And they do call it the the state highway administration and then it has a a whole project number.

See if we can create an acronym out of all that. [laughter] The milestone we just did on on the 10th was was the final review for the MD31 New Windsor sidewalk retrofit project is what they Yeah. [snorts]

So efforts may be further supported with the physical streetscape enhancements, including the anticipated state highway administration funding. Sounds good to me. What's the individual elements of this fourpart strategy?

This is still four parts.

Yeah, that's market opportunities for scale businesses, commercial development. Do you want to have anything in here about additional such as facade improvement grant program and assessment freeze or abatement of town property taxes? I don't of town property taxes out. I think that whole go the abatement [laughter]

especially for people who live right on High Street. Those people really need an abatement of their property taxes. We can rotate through developments. You know, we'll do Atly Ridge one year. We'll abate their tax. You know, this to get people to move into the ter. It's like Santa Claus goes to this neighborhood one year and that neighborhood one year. [laughter] Well, you can see how that would go over.

Oh, yeah. I'm going to move for a year and [laughter] This is really blade on thick. Number four. Did we create a design guide in the pattern book? No. For what? I I can't I can't read it. Oh, they No, that's okay. We have design guidelines in the in the code. There are design guidelines.

I don't really know that I would call it a pattern book. Sounds kind of like Butterric to me, but I'm really old. I saw pattern book. I laughed. Yeah. [laughter] Yes. Your shutters can only be rectangular. [laughter] No square patterns. I'm sorry. Are they avail are design guidelines available through the town? Then they're in the code. They're in the subdivision regulation section of the code. Do we want to since this is recommended?

We haven't had anything new come in in a long time. So I haven't really action that say create the design guide but it seems we already have done that. Yeah. Right. So like we did on instead of create review design guidelines for design. Yeah. I don't know if I want the pattern. No. We can get rid of the pattern book. Delete that. Design guidelines. What was the other one? Simplicity. Design guidelines. And I think it's a pattern to get rid of the pattern book. [laughter] We're getting sillier by the minute here.

December. We want to keep any of this. Maybe just keep the first paragraph and then the end I can say something like towards this end that we the we have the we have guidelines in the uh town code town code includes a series of design guidelines review

[snorts]

kept all the fluff of this paragraph. Code has specific guidelines if review is needed. Okay, now we'll get rid of the rest because there gets a little more specific remoding front door. Yeah, I think we might want to pay attention the side doors, but we know front doors. They I was saying [laughter] ever talk about calming mounds again streets [laughter] but no alleys.

Yeah. Not one. All right. [snorts] Five doesn't seem to have anything in it. That would be bad. in this saying it's not it's a little long for we could probably see it a lot quicker

[snorts]

Yeah, I wouldn't think you needed to give the whole reason why we're doing the review. Just say that we're going to do one. Well, I mean just is the thought to have some of the just say as we have up here in the Windsor as a rich architect just kind of talk a little bit about that section and then you the recommended action we do review. Yeah,

period all of the verbage. Just a thought. Or I could just do the same thing. One sentence. It won't be long the holidays will be over and everybody's going to have all this free time and wonder what you're going to do because it's cold. You're not out working in the yard. You're going to have this.

You're going to want to read the plan. Exactly. You're going to have these hundred pages to read through one final time by the fire. Luke by the fire cookie supply in that's got the cookie. Yeah, that would be better. Where that goes? [laughter] Sounds good. Okay. Oh, I like this. Seek to ensure that development of the perimeter of the newime. The [snorts] perimeter. The inside. That's right.

Just the outside. What was that term earlier? Like a green belt or something a transitional. What was earlier today or earlier in this process? Earlier in this process seems like there was something Well, I know that the county likes the concept of of green belts around the municipalities. The area of Green Belt was originally um supposed to be just a green belt around Washington. It was during the Roosevelt administration. How did that work out? It's a whole community. It's a whole I lived in green belt.

Yeah. No, it's kind of the dark gray belt, I think. But I don't I don't know that we have like official plans to have and it's not in our control anyway because that's all the county's control. Let me just take that one now. Number six wouldn't bother me. Yeah. I don't see where it offers anything. [clears throat]

Yeah. That all important first impression. [panting] That's what signs are for. Okay. Pull it out. Going once. Going twice. Sold.

Boom. I seem to recall we had a discussion once about because this shows up a lot this whole explanation fiscal implications just like this one [cough] have in here I think once say it.

Yeah. and then just roll in the fiscal implicate implications like say at the end of every paragraph they're always got I mean end of it's going to have fiscal implications but say all will be summarized in the end or something or I will volunteer to go back and find the first time we talk about this and have this in there and then the other sections will just have fiscal implications and then just doing numerical. Yeah, [clears throat] I kind of agree. Like it was a copy and paste every just put all will be revealed

disqualifications. Yes. Yes, there certainly will be. There will be. We can kind of tell you what we think they're going to be, but guess what? That's exactly all we're telling you is what we think it's going to be. It's like creating budgets out of a [laughter]

So you're looking at more or less a generic physical implication for the Well, what I'ming is this will go this will clearly capital this this paragraph that I got the X through will here as well as several other spots okay

in this report in this planifications We're down to five. doesn't say anything. So it's undetermined impact

sign thing. identified at this time because we're review.

Yeah. [snorts] Number three was encourage redevelopment tax credit eligible historic properties. must got rid of that considering change number three continue to support there is a physical impact for this well not not by having a manager with Sorry, I didn't Oh wow. So where did that come from?

I don't remember that. Probably from 25 years ago. Yeah. But the impact was things like like replacing the water line street. We're going to have costs associated with the lights. numbers. Well, the town had to do something with the We had to do the water line, right? We replaced it, but we got a we got a grant from the state for $4 million and we did that. Okay.

Okay. We're going to have to purchase our responsibilities for the the lighting that we put in fancy lighting. We have to pay 50% of that. $100,000 the town's going to have to put up how that money you know but I don't know all the the cost so the fiscal implications I don't know all the numbers you know to give you want to at least toss out there some of these I mean I know the lights I mean when we if we had done this four years ago had done the work out here for the so had that as an right now what you know I mean there'll be other things but we know that is there is there a sharing of the cost with the streetscape group like they do 90% and the county does 10 or is it certain elements of it like the light

yes there's certain elements that we pay for on their state highway. Okay. So I mean the light I mean are there other components that you know of already or can suggest like Well I mean we we spend a lot of Gary's time right I mean we spend a boatload of our town managers time reviewing plans and and and plus I'm on that committee the mayor attends me. So there's a a cost that's a cost obviously you're always spending the money. Yeah. Well, you guys are free because

what you get, right?

So, do we um do we want to list some of those or I I think you can maybe put, you know, the couple examples that we talked about the the water line replacing the Well, we had to we had we realigned the sewer, right? We had the the utilities that we the infrastructure items that the town was responsible to upgrade prior to the state coming in doing their part. Physical components such as was the relining of water lines. Replacement.

Replacement should be reining the sewer lines utility components like we replace the fire hydrants through town everywhere. We replace the water line. We did all that kind of well. to be paid. We did get some state help with that. [snorts]

The new street lights will be underground wiring. Correct. Or the the Yes. The um those those light fixtures that the bottom up, right? You're still going to have We're still have our overhead. Yeah. But I mean the street for the street lights. Yes. Now will they be metered and paid by the town? Yeah. It's the same as same as the other lights are. Yes.

And there's not you know the original plan 25 years ago there was almost 80 I think of those those lights the way it is now. I think we're probably about half of that. Yeah. Half that you have to have. Couple hundred thousand you said for that a couple 200

I would imagine 300 probably [snorts] approximate I don't know that they have one of those on a computer keyboard.

I would maybe put um more temporary repaving under there. I would not want anybody to think that we were paying for the final repaving of the project. The state will come in. They're going to do a total repaving from one end to the other deep rep. They'll do the sidewalks. They'll do they'll do the final paving. Yes. Thing like the retaining wall. Is that part of that? That's part of our design. Okay. our Okay, it's part of the design, but it's not part of our cost.

Okay. I think that the the uh state has earmarked, I think, $10 million project $10 million. They have blocks, you know, they put it in and we were, you know, a little more than five, not quite in a big fund, I think, up to$10 million for the project. We're getting everything that that we should get for this project.

I I I think we should toss that number out there for this. You know that, you know, since we're at a point where you have a sense, I think it sets a perspective there saying costs. Obviously, it's our plan. We're talking [snorts] about these things that already happened. As long as it shows that it's the state funding, say up to 10 million for the project.

I could I could actually start that section sitting there saying uh at this point it appears the state is will be funding up to $10 million for this initiative. Uh in addition to the infrastructure items that we've already done, right? Um and and there will be a town cost for lighting of couple hundred thousand plus staff right and likely other panels or possibly I don't you know I don't know what we don't know yet but you think you ought to put estimated cost instead of just yeah I would use estimated

come back from the other plans and we've seen these figures in here and kind of laughed about it. Yeah, that's now we're gonna have another unknown. Another not yet known. Unforeseen.

There you go. This project includes upgrading the storm water all storm water uh piping and drains and yeah they're they're doing all that and that's part of their their planning today when they have a storm water person that's that's done all the calculations and where all goes and creating things it's very indepth what my wife did storm water computations. It's horrible. Put a count.

I don't even want to think of the algebra involved. I think that's what it's going to be, right? Yeah. Depends if it's perfect or impervious. Oh my god. [laughter] Just mentioning the word algebra, I start to get the hairs on my body stick up.

Okay. So, under fiscal impact related to continuing to support the state town joint sidewalk pressure undertaking. Wow, what a mouthful. In addition to the infrastructure items recently done as a preliminary this initiative, [clears throat] replacement water lines, replacements and temporary repaving. There will be additional costs for new lighting,000 [snorts] as well as town staff resources for plan review of not yet known related costs.

Okay. Oh, that's right. Because when we did this, there was not a tail match when we were doing this the first time.

Yeah. We had didn't have uh Frank. You didn't have Frank, but there was a town manager before Frank. Wall-ally. There was Wall-E before Frank. And then there was Before Frank, he was after Frank. No, Wall-Ally was before Frank. And before Wall-E Stop it. And before Wall-E was um Lanni Mummer. Oh my god. I think Lanny was the first regular full-time town manager we had. This is how long I've been doing this. Wow.

Well, you know, he would look at me and go, "Well, you remember because I was the only person in the room remembered whatever the hell it was he was talking about.

I'm just sticking up for the former town managers. I just want that to be made clear." and the fine jobs they did. [laughter] Never speak ill of the dead. Don't think they're dead. Well, Frank is they're gone. Professionally dead here. Yes.

No fiscal impact on sign review. Number five was

[snorts]

Sorry. Knocked off another page at this time.

Boom. Boom. Get down to the wire comments. Chapter 12. For those following at home, this is page 76 and in the previous plan, this was page 147. We will pay you by the pound.

Are we still legislative district 4B? And [laughter] I say, is that going to change here? I don't know of any of that. That's I mean, it sounds like everything in here is pretty straightforward. I don't know of much of a change, but I don't know about the specifics. I think we are, but we just have to confirm that. Yeah, I don't think those district lines have changed. Yeah. Where is that? That's Oh, I'm sorry. That was that's that's about five paragraphs down. It's on page well 87. Top of page 87.

I would say the goals look well. Board of Commissioners appoints qualified citizens to numerous boards and commissions including planning and zoning commission. Appoint them. Well, it doesn't appoint yours. You appoint they appoint theirs. This whole plan is rife with information about the county which may be of interest, but it's not really part of the New Windsor plan. Yeah, I agree. We cut that out. Good. I know. Chop it. Chop it. Chuck it.

No, I that was I saw that in a movie that I saw the other day. Chuck it. I heard something somebody with other than my right ear. Yeah, that was me. Okay. Yeah, I'll just echo what just Yeah, that's county related. I don't know why that is in there.

Opportunity for citizen participation above and beyond the new Windsor planning commission and running for town council. But this that starting with Carol County Board of Commissioners just take all that out here. I think so. Yeah. I mean that doesn't relate to second. Got it. It's all gone.

Current conditions. Okay. Okay, there you go. I see your legislative, Mr. Forbes to us. Yeah.

Do we want to say who our one delegate is or senator? It's going to be no good by the time it gets published. Everybody looking a song in there somewhere. The governor's pushing is redistricting that might even Yeah, we'll be lucky if we have any our legislative. Yeah, [clears throat] the second congressional. I know that changed. No, I mean I I just know it changed when we lost Bartlett and I think I think he was second congressional.

I don't remember. I should know but I don't. Okay, I will I'll look into this. That should be pretty easy.

[clears throat]

Okay. [snorts] I'm sorry. Guess current citizen participation opportunities. Anybody have any uh would the BCA wouldn't that go up with that go up with uh like the ABC and maybe D [snorts] says current participation is that countywide or just within the town municipal? Well, I think maybe C should

go away and maybe we should put new C is BZA because it is well it is only you know it's a BCA is an opportunity for citizen participation so long as the citizen has standing before the board for the matter the board is discussing council anybody who's lives in town can come in and chat and try and convince the council of But the board of zoning appeals testimony etc before the board is limited to people who have standing to [snorts] approach that. So it is not the same kind of generalized community participation.

Well I think commission and the electeds are but I thought this was saying that there's an opportunity to serve on that board. Serve well. Yeah. Yeah. They can serve. I just this is what these are talking about serving. Okay. a citizen could serve on CCA or could be the zoning administrator if the opening was there and certainly Yeah. Okay. I'm sorry. I misunderstood. Yeah.

I don't think we need that concept. No, because this is all C. But then change it if you want to put BCA in there. Make C BCA board of zoning appeals. Okay.

[snorts] That's Ed Paul, right? Zoning administrator is Ed Paul's group. Zoning. Not even sure who's on the PCA. We never meet. I don't think she's anymore. Um, I think Marcy Munchau is and it was Dale and I'm sorry. man. It was Charlotte Dale Omen and but and Marcy, but I don't think she's still listed on the town's website, but I don't know whether she's been well, we haven't had a BCA hearing in quite a while with the

Yeah, with some there something happened with it. But again though, these people are serving now. These people may not be serving in four or five years. It's just, you know, we're just trying to figure out who the heck it is. What do I put here for what their duty is? Well, it's a

that it's current three member board that hears um appeals from certain administrative officials and is empowered to make decisions regarding a variety of sewing and land development matters. How did that sound, Glenn? Yeah, pretty damn good. Pretty darn good. Right out of

three board appointed by if so factor in there though.

Your turn. I don't know. Don't to leave that out. That's what it says in here. I just don't know. Yeah. I mean, I can't sit here and say yes. No, I don't. I'm just going to leave that out. Yeah. If I remember, I don't think that's a three-year term. Is it longer than I think it's Especially since it's probably three years since we even had a hearing. It's a life appointment. Life appointment. [laughter] It's a life appointment with us. It's a life appointment. when all the daycarees you needed to get an exception. Everybody wanted everybody wanted a dayare. A couple a couple of them a month. Forgotten that you were on the PCA wreck that Yeah. But here's [snorts] appeals who

uh admin well from zoning administr Well the zoning administrator. Now you see I said it once. I know that and I didn't get it. I can't be expected to remember what I said. Exactly. Read that back to us please. I am [laughter] I am by the American council but here's appeals from administrative agencies and is empowered to decide a variety of matters and is empowered to I like empowered. Yeah. Uh regarding a variety of zoning and land development. There you go. You got you got it. And I and I should put on here Glenn approves.

Yeah. Put on make sure Glenn. Yeah. Don't you need to throw this so facto in there somewhere. [laughter] And I will just make an editorial comment that um it was the sixth district was Bartlett. Oh. And we apparently did have this discussion because then I put down third with a question and then it was scratched the second and then I remembered Emily was sitting right here because she looked it up on her phone. That's correct. Second. We are in the second. So this is correct. So we were good. We actually did our Yeah. [laughter]

But I also we skipped over a note that we had added that when we were up here under government structure, we saying that the council and mayor serve four-year terms. We then added uh with three positions uh I put voted but could be uh determined every two years. While you do a four-year term, it's not all at the same time. It's three every two years, right? So, [snorts] I want to know who's assigned to fix the clock. That clock is wrong. Which clock?

That clock that says it's 7:30. Oh, yeah. Oh, jeez. I'm glad I don't have 740. 750. Actually, 750. Yeah. Wow. And I don't know why I was I think I was talking to you, Drew, and I noticed that the second hand is moving. Yeah, it's [snorts] moving. But

I was sitting here going, I'm really tired for it only being 7:30. [laughter] It's 7:50 like a work clock. [laughter] Yeah, I'm sitting there. No wonder we're hungry. Everybody's sitting here saying, "Damn, if it is, I was just getting into it." And then I have DH to take them out. Yeah. It doesn't make sense to put even though it is apparently a lifetime appointment. No names. To protect the innocent or guilty. Makes

more sense to protect the guilty. I think so. [laughter]

This is where she did that. That's good. Planning process. Zoom apps. Wait a minute. We current participation right here on the town board is owning appeals. We explain what it is.

Yeah. It's a cut and paste. It says put that blur up the BCA is a quai judicial board comprised of three members. empowered empowered to hear and decide on requests for conditional uses and authorized appeals or variances or that's here and rule on appeals to orders requirements. We got a little more verbiage in this.

Yeah, put it in. I just I just think maybe we don't need to have them both places. I don't see why you need it twice. Yeah, maybe just

I have shown they were threeyear terms. Yeah, we just keep going in an appointment. [snorts] Yes, zoning administrator and boarding PS. We got them on here twice. So I will [snorts] I'll just have less verbage up here. I'll just I'll come back. Yeah, it's much more thorough. Yeah, more thorough county technical review committee,

which isn't called the technical review committee anymore. I don't know what it is called. I just know it isn't called the technical review committee anymore. We don't need it in here anymore. Oh yeah. Well, it was in the last time it was called Carol County Subdivision Advisory Committee. Yeah. Somebody had us change it to technical review because it was the SAC meeting for a long time and then it was the technical review committee. But last time I heard Tel of it, they're calling it something else. consistent. I love you.

Okay. Citizen information services. We discussed this and it looks like you out a lot. You've added some things. See anything that strikes fear in the heart. Now there is a note here from my millennia about Michelle. Yeah, I believe that

Carol County government posts legal ads in the Carol County Times, provides press releases to the media. How do Michelle need to update? Yeah. And that's what you were saying before about do we do it on Facebook? Well, it dep I I missed exactly what the topic there was, but it's just the media. It depends. I mean, I don't know what Carol County does sources. Yeah, we need it in there. We don't need it. Yeah. For what Carol County does. No, that we have the town has things that we have to that we have to post. Yeah. Newspaper or whatever. We can't just throw it on Facebook.

Some things are required to be published in a newspaper of general circulation. That's the phrase. As if there were such a thing as a general circulation newspaper anymore. Um, but that's the the language like your budgets and those kind of things have to be published. But are you having a meeting here or there that can go more locally? You just have to publish it somewhere so that anybody who is interested can attend or follow along in whatever fashion they can. So, what would you like me to put?

I don't I don't know. It seems like a lot of certainly [snorts] does seem like a lot of

Why why do you need to have how Carol County posts their legal notices? Right. Byebye. Byebye. Now yeah. all the cable stations. [snorts] [snorts]

Is there more than one cable station or Oh, they got like channel 24, 21, three. So, the the threeC channels is what's in there. Okay. I don't know. Yeah. Oh, I see. I have that we took that out. Oh, but I see that she combined two together. But that that last paragraph or Kane government that

let's just make this the last thing that we'll talk about tonight before we do this one. Yeah, [snorts] I second that. The town publicly newsletter. That is true. Yeah, that's true. There are a variety of print online and [snorts] numerous television and radio stations broadcasting regional news and information. True. We want that does include Carol County W.

Yeah, [clears throat] doesn't hurt to leave that in. [snorts] We wanted to say the county's cable television service provider Comcast operates cable vision channels 3 24 3 and 24. I don't know what numbers they are. Yeah. [clears throat] Yeah. I don't know whether that's still the the case myself. Just leave it at that conditions. But I think WTTR should be in there though. They have no news. They don't have news. Not a bit

really. Not even music, man. Not even like the They used to have the CBS feed on the hour. Mhm. Oh, I understand. The world could be blowing up and you would not know it in Carol County. So they give Balker's menus at Elvis at 11:00. But Elvis will sing, right? Allan used to come on and say, "What was the special they have an Elvis hour?" Every day. It's a useless It's a It's a useless thing. So, we just That should be in there. But But Elvis sings at 11 a.m. Every day have an Elvis song. Yeah. [laughter] So, I think that's because that's going to be consistent. I don't even know if my vehicle could even get AM radio anymore.

Now, we get derailed here. How about Additionally, there are a variety of print online and numerous television radio. My vehicle allows me to get AM radio. It's the best you can hope for. Stuff like that. I can do AM12. I can't pretty sure that I somehow heard Elvis every every time. Um and then I realized that it is like every day today's date. So, there must be [clears throat] some human in the building somehow that that makes sure that Elvis gets on, but um

they haven't let him leave the building. So, start driving. Okay. I'm in Hawaii and I drive by Weinberg senior center. Really? Harriet Schnit Weinberg. No, Harriet and Janette. Janette Weinberg. Wow. Weinberg center. Oh, I was going to say they are Weinberg Center. Weber every hospital. Yeah. Weber cancer center. Not too much. All right. How do they make their

They don't have any. It's not Russ Morgan there anymore. No, you remember Russ Morgan when he owned Yeah. KCOM. KCOM. There's only one one DJ who's on for like 3 hours in the morning and that's it. They don't even have an afternoon. They have nothing. Their revenue stream. I don't know. They do a lot. They have ads. I know that much. Their revenue is ads. Oh, they do have ads. Oh, yeah.

Our next meeting is Monday the 26th at 6. Um, Monday the 23rd of February will be the one after that. And I'd like to think that we close enough wrap those up to have [snorts] March before the weather breaks really horrifying. Um, and the reminder about February 4th is that street All right. Anybody have any other announcements? Bingo's every Tuesday.

Yes. Meatloaf Tuesday tomorrow. Uh, no. No, there's no bingo next two weeks. No bingo tomorrow. No, no bingo tomorrow. I was going to say no meatloaf tomorrow. Last week. Thank you. Thank you for coming to the town. Breakfast. Never met. That was a good breakfast, too. It was different. I liked it. Sausage. Sausage. Sausage. I like that. I like And your problem. I like the drawing on the head. I thought that was clever. That was really It was fun. Yeah, I like that. And I did not feel like cuz Neil always really got into the weeds with the trivia. [laughter] Yes. I thought having uh um the the first lady, she she added a touch to it.

Yeah. But I tell you one thing, I don't speak emoji. No. I had no idea what some of those things were. Not [snorts] at all. Not a clue. Not at all. Don't forget she feels fifth grade. I know. Well, I mean, I figured I had the intelligence of a fifth grader, but I don't fifth grader at my table. He was rocking it. [laughter] Well, I tell you what, I I thought the new Windsor stuff. I had all that until they started doing the area code. Anymore? I can't remember. Yeah. 677. Has anybody been to New Windsor, New York? Yes. Several times. Yeah. It's cool. It's a lot bigger than us. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I'd rather live in New Windsor, New Maryland. Yeah. Yeah. I agree.

It's a very industrial. It's closer to West Point, so you feel protected or a target. Yeah. Okay. I think we need still an adjournment, though. Officially adjourned. Okay. I was about to ready to stand up and then I realized we haven't. Motion by Kevin. [laughter] Second. Second by Dave Grayson. All those in favor signify by I. I. Opposed. Okay, we're out of here. No. No. Merry Christmas everybody.