Environmental Conservation Board - Regular Meeting

Please stand for the pledge. Pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Good evening, today is September 17th, 2026. This is the Environmental Conservation Board. We have an agenda that we're going to follow. And the first one is Anthony and Diane Verino. Place existing boathouse. Is that you? That's me. Please go up to the podium, present your name. Tell me who you are and who you're here to represent.

Anthony Verino, I live at 50 Sycamore Road on Mayapak Point, and I'm the owner and the builder.

Okay, all right, so I went through your application. And tell me what you want to do before we get into this.

I don't know if you guys know the boathouse. I feel like everybody on the lake knows it. It's a dilapidated boathouse that's been falling down for 12 years. I bought the house about a year and a half ago. My guess is that the ice probably pushed one of the block footings out from the corner of the boathouse and it sunk a little bit. So basically I have to jack up that corner Pull the footing back into place. It's still there. And then I just want to put new asphalt shingles on the roof because it's the old three tab. It's all deteriorated. And I want to match the house. I put cement board shingle siding on my house. So I want to put the same siding on the boathouse.

Okay, because I'm having a hard time giving you a letter of permission on this, and I'll explain it to you why. Because I reviewed the file, I looked at the file. First off, you're working on the lake. You're working on the lake. The front two posts, the front two support columns have sunk. How do you plan on moving the footing?

With a machine? I'm not sure yet. A friend of mine owns a marine down in Peekskill. He said that we could use a hydraulic jack to lift up the framing, and then he thinks he could pull the footing back into place.

Well, see, the thing right there is hydraulic jack. It's probably going to run... Is it a compact hydraulic jack, or is it going to have a unit on the land and run hoses to the jack? See, so I'm going to... Listen, you're going to need a... Because you're gonna be working in the water, you're gonna need, this is gonna need a permit. This is not a letter of permission, okay? Because at a minimum, what I need from you is I need to have, I see the drawing here, I need to have a scope of work, what you're planning to do, You need to put a boom in from around the front of the facility while you're doing this work. If you're using a machine, you gotta let me know if you're using a machine. I need a copy of the deed of the property to attach to the file. So I'm going to write down a list of things.

Okay, I'm not too sure. When you say the scope of work, what I wrote on the plan is the scope.

A sequence of operations, okay? Because I know the plans that you drew here, which are very nice. If I look at the picture here, sir.

Right.

This is not just a refacing of a building or a new roof. There are some serious structural concerns on this boathouse. That's not this purview. But what I am looking at is I'm looking at this boathouse saying that the amount of work that has to be done on that boathouse is not a roof or a siding job. okay this is a semi reconstruction of the facility and again I'm not here to give you a hard time I'm just telling you the way I'm looking at it through the permitting process okay okay so so what I'm going to need from you is I need a not a scope of work a sequence of operations sequence of work you need to show I need a copy of the deed I need to basically, the drawer, this, I need a drawing like you have here of the thing. You're not putting a silt curtain in the lake. You're gonna put a floating boom in there. Right. Okay? So, floating boom. Boom. And you could give me the type. Are you gonna use any machines?

I have a question for you.

Sure.

The guy that came next door to help with somebody's, I don't know his name. I have him on my phone, I apologize. But he had a forklift. on almost like a floating barge and took the dock and put it in place for the neighbor. Can I use him because he could lift and pull the footing back into place?

Whatever you wanna do to do that, I have no issues with that. Okay.

Because he said he was interested in doing it for me, so I just asked him because he was there. But this is my first time working in the water. I'm a builder by trade, but first time being in the water, so...

I'm an engineer by trade. Okay. All right. Okay, so that's why I'm saying when I look at the pictures of the boathouse, I have some concerns, right? It's not... if it was a new roof on the on the uh existing building i would tell you to put a boom around it and then you just go ahead and roof the job roof the site right but this is not just a roof job right if you look at the siding on the job on the existing building it's it's shot yeah i look at some of the structural supports from the pictures you provided they're shot this is more than just a couple of days worth of and again this is just my opinion and i right I'm not judging jury here but I've done a little bit of work like this this is a couple days worth of work and this looks like some structural work that has to be done right so you're gonna be there for a little while if you would like if you choose to use this guy with the forklift Hey, I'm all for it. It makes your life easier. It makes your life safer.

Right.

But you're still going to have to put a – I need a plan of what you're going to do. You're going to mobilize to the site. You're going to set up the silt fence, not the floating boom around the area. You'll bring the barge in. He'll come up. He'll lift. He'll relocate the pier, install new supports. Then recite it. Where are you going to store your garbage, your debris? Are you going to put it in a dumpster back on the land outside the buffer? Because you have your plot plan here, you know the buffer is 100 feet from the lake, right? Well, the lake is the wetland, so it's 100 feet back. Are you going to put any excavation? Are you going to do, are you going to get... The concrete blocks, and I hate to use the word. I know what you're going to say.

Well, that's what's there that got pushed out. It's sitting like four feet from where it was, so I'm assuming it was ice-related. Because maybe, you know, that house has been abandoned for 12 years before I bought it. I'm sure there was no bubbler.

Oh, yeah, I'm sure. Listen, I get it. But I need a little bit more than, I can't issue you a letter of permission on this. It has to be a permit.

Okay.

Okay, so that just requires a little bit more. The drawing's fine, showing what you're doing. And at that, I need to just see, this needs to be a silt, boom if you're going to use that barge and he's a hydraulic diesel thing you know then you got to look at if it runs out of fuel are you going to refuel it on site is it going to stay there for a longer period of time are you going to have a spill kit on site that they have a hydraulic leak this way you can address the hydraulic lead from getting into the water these are things that we have to look at right Okay? I'm sorry I can't give you a letter of permission, but again, based on my 12 days of experience, you know, this looks, I mean, and you know the shape of this.

I know it's in bad shape.

It's not just, it's not just, it's not lipstick, you know?

Yeah, no, I know.

It needs full reconstructive surgery. Does anybody else have any questions?

Why don't you just, for lack of a better description, get a case on of sorts going down to the bottom of the lake surround it and then just because this thing is a disaster really right take out everything build up now you'll have dry you'll be you'd be working in you know and in dry get in a dry area and you could put in you know what that requires that would that that by putting the case in and that's a dewatering

which is that you have to worry about silt management. And I don't think he wants to do that.

But I'm just saying, okay, I follow what you're saying, Bob, but this isn't even a fixer-upper. This is a tear down and rebuild.

That's our, that's just an opinion.

I don't want to disagree with you, but I mean, if you got in there and looked at this thing, some of the structures, believe it or not, in good shape.

I'm sure it is.

But it dropped, so it looks worse than it is. You know what I mean?

Mr. Verino, I'm sure it is. I totally am sure it is. But again, based on my review of the site, the plans, the whole nine yards, I have no issues with the drawing. The new roof, not an issue. Just have the, while you're doing all the work, you would have to... install the curtain, notify the wetland inspector. He would make sure it's in, then you can start work. When you're done, he comes to witness it's come out and there's no debris in the thing. So basically, it's just give us a plan that you have. Just give us a plan, sequence of work. I need a copy of the deed. I need a floating boom. If there's any machines on site, you have to have a spill kit not stored in the wetlands. And that's it.

Okay. You said you wrote down what I need?

I wrote down a few of my items. If you could take a picture of it, you're more than happy.

That would be great.

I have bad handwriting. I'm just going to warn you. I'd give him a run for his money. These are just some of the items. All right? Yep. I'm sorry, but I just, like I said, I...

I was just trying to get this done before the water got cold.

Well, we have another meeting in the first week of October. You're more than welcome to come in. All right. All right? All right, thank you. Thank you.

Have a good night.

Good night.

Okay, next item. George and Sandra Tenapagwe, 773 South Lake Boulevard. Okay, please state your name and who you're here to represent.

Good evening, my name is Sandra Tenapagwe and I represent myself.

Okay. You're looking for a letter of permission? Yes. To, okay. I can't give you a letter of permission either. You have to do a full permit. Okay. Because I was going through your drawings that you supplied us, supplied me or the town with. And the problem I have is the fact that if I look at the section AA on your drawing, it shows here that You have an existing two by two by two retaining wall, which is on the inside portion of the land of the property, right? Then it shows here that you're going to be putting in a proposed retaining wall. So that to me shows you're going to be doing excavation work on the outside of the retaining wall correction.

I'm sorry. If you look at that survey, this is the drawing that I got from the building folder, the building department folder. Okay. And you see the drawing was done in 2005. And all that was proposed work that was done already. Okay. I'm not doing no retaining wall nor anything. I'm just trying to fix the steps. But I submitted it with this application so you guys can get a scope of where my area is.

Okay, all right, fine. So I need something in the file stating that this is just for representation purpose. I saw the date. I do have a letter. But again, when I look at plans and drawings, this should have been crossed off. Sorry. Because I'm reading it as these are plans. So you have to revise, plan, and resubmit. with work to be performed.

I do have a letter that I wrote already. I saw that. Stating, no, stating that that is just a, it is a survey that was done in 2005 and was only used as a purpose for to see the scoping of the area that I'm going to be working in.

It just says here, suggested attachments, photographs of the existing staircase, replacement kind, replacement drawings, site survey, site plans of request, and the applicable town. Let me read this again. Well, this is just- I made the letter today.

Here.

You want to submit it to the court? Yes. That's okay. Do you have any other copies or this is it? just so we can read this for the record. I'm writing to clarify the survey that I previously submitted. The survey submitted was originally prepared in 2005. It was already on file at the building department's folder. At the time I submitted my paperwork, I did not have a current survey readily available. I used the 2005 survey as a reference sample so that I could submit my paperwork as quickly as possible and begin the review process for the repair of the stairs. I would also like to clarify that the work shown on that 2000 survey is not part of the work that I am currently proposing. The work indicated on that survey was completed Well, this is just a drawing of a wall. This is not a property survey. For starters. And again, I'm not here to give you a hard time. No, I understand. I'm just here to follow the rules. All right, so I need a copy of the latest survey. You must have one in your... They could probably get one at Town Hall or at the county.

Okay.

The only work I am proposing at this time is repairing and upgrading the existing stairs while maintaining the existing location and general configuration, finishing installation of new pavers in the existing area. And I am not proposing the older work shown in the 2008 survey as new construction. I apologize for any confusion caused by submitting this, et cetera, et cetera. Okay. All right, so your application is wrong, too.

Okay.

Your application is wrong. The letter and the application don't jive, right? So let's make them jive. So this is what we're going to do. You're going to go see Rose on Monday, and you're going to amend your permit application. This is gonna be a full permit, okay? Because now you're telling me here you're doing paving work. So what you're gonna have to do is you're gonna have to give me a map, a survey, an existing survey of the property. You're gonna have to put in a floating boom outside your property area while you're doing this work. Then you do that. You have to show me the area that you're paving. You're gonna have to get that survey and basically show me the areas of work that you're working in how where what how when why and how you're going to show me where you're paving you're going to show me the stairs that you're doing and then what you're going to have to follow the rules that once the boom is up you call the town wetland inspector he inspects it if it's installed properly you may proceed with work once the work is completed Then you take the boom down, and then you would call the wetland inspector to review that the boom is down. Are you going to be using any equipment, any heavy equipment? It's all by hand? All by hand, yes. How are you mixing the concrete for the pavers? By hand? By hand. No mixers? Where are you going to store the debris? Is there a dumpster on site? I take it with me. Okay.

Yeah, there's no space there for sensors, so we're finished working and clean up and take it.

Okay, so in your sequence of work, you're gonna write mobilize the site, install boom, then you're going to say replace 2,000 square feet of pavers, and dispose material off-site. All material will be removed off-site. Then we're going to upgrade the stairs, which would include, are you changing the foundations or are you changing just the tracks decking? Just the tracks decking. Just the top? Yes. Okay, so then you're going to say you're going to, what about the railings?

The railings as well, yes. The only thing that's staying is the posts, the bottom posts.

Okay, so you're going to replace the decking Are you going to replace any of the substructure you'll leave in the six by six timbers? Yes. Are you going to leave the joist and the landing? Yes. Okay, so then you're just going to say replace railings and decking on stairs and platform. You're leaving the stairs in the same configuration, right? The same, not changing nothing. So you're going to say we're not changing the stairs.

Not changing the width, the length.

You're going to clean up the site, and upon completion, notify the wetland inspector and do it. Now, I need a survey. These are plans. right these are plans for a wall and everything else this is a parking area to utilize for the lake property okay these are this this is a good start okay so my suggestion so what i need from you is i need a copy of your deed copy of latest survey redo permit application Show the bull. Sequence of work. Where are you gonna get rid of the debris? No machines on site. All by hand. Now you can put this in a letter, you can put this on a memo, but I need the plan, I need the deed, I need... Can I take a picture of what you just... Sure, you have to take two pictures. Okay. All right, and I'm going to submit this letter dated September 17th to the file, and if you can read my writing, I'm sorry, but... I'm really, I should have been a doctor. uh... so the deed the proper survey that you have and what i would do on that survey is if your stairs are not installed in that are not shown on that survey draw them in okay just draw them in the way that's laid out this plan is good just as reference show where the stairs are and then on that area draw a box where you're replacing the pavers hatch it out now This is gonna be the million dollar question. The pavers, are they pervious or are they impervious?

Bluestone.

Bluestone. And what do you have between the bluestones?

Just sand.

Just sand? Yeah, probably sand. Okay, so the next thing you're gonna have to do is you're gonna have to do some sort of mitigation, okay? So whatever the area is that you're installing of the bluestone in that area, there's a calculation that you can do for a rain guard. So somewhere on the property, because you're putting in semi-impervious pavers, you're gonna have to give us some sort of mitigation. You may have to put a little rain guard on the side of the property, that this way any rainwater runoff goes through and gets filtered. You can go on the internet and find it. What is it based on the area? So if you're replacing 50 square feet of area, there's a calculation based on 50 square feet. Or there are other mitigations you can do, okay?

Is there something else better that you could use besides the sand?

Well, there are pervious pavers where they, like the ones they use at the library over here, where they have, they're like hexagons and they're filled with sand and gravel. This way what happens is the water hits it, it filters through before it goes into the lake. You're not trying to create a runoff where the water hits your pavers goes untreated into the lake right so you want to be able to have the water hit the rain water hit filter through the soils to enter the groundwater so i mean i listen blue decks and everything else they when people put decks on in houses that are in the buffer they we make that we ask them to put in rain guards rain guards one option there may be other areas of mitigation you may do You'd have to talk to, you know, look up on, Google up forms of mitigating, other forms of mitigation for rain gardens. You know, sometimes you may have to, you know, you could probably put in, you know, sink a 55-gallon drum with gravel around it, make it a rain, like a Coltex or something like that. But you're on the lake, so there's really, you're going to hit groundwater at two feet. Exactly, yeah. Yeah, so... So the whole thing is, is either that or just don't put the pavers and put sand or gravel or, but just do something to mitigate, okay?

Yeah, actually I thought maybe we could put a polymer stand to use for you.

No, that polymer stand then makes it a concrete slab. Yes, the sand would be your better thing because it allows water to filter through. But the problem is, is when you have a brick, you have a brick and you have four sides of the brick, this area now is reduced to an eighth of an inch for the next brick right so the water hits this and eventually makes its way down but we'd like some sort of mitigation for the uh for the bluestones okay so just uh there's just look up online um rain gardens or rain garden um rain garden mitigations or... I can't think of the word right now.

Alternatives maybe?

Yeah, yeah. Alternatives in lieu of rain garden.

Okay, we'll check that and maybe use that for the drainage water.

Now, are you putting these down on a concrete base, or are they going on a sand base?

I will put it on a sand base.

Okay.

No concrete base? No, sand. Okay.

Because then, you know, if you put the concrete there, then you get no credit for anything.

Okay?

Okay. Who is the wetland inspector?

Rich Franzetti. Okay.

Yeah.

Okay? All right. All right. Thank you very much.

Thank you. So Monday, go speak to Rose, right?

You can go speak to Rose on Monday.

Okay. All right?

Thank you very much. All right. Thank you.

Have a good night.

Have a good night.

Good, how are you?

For this stuff?

That's easy.

What?

Robbie? Oh, wait a second. Triple bogeyman.

Okay.

Have a good one. Okay.

There's no other new business. Do I have a motion to close the meeting?

I'll make that motion.

I'll second it.

All in favor?