Planning and Zoning - Regular Meeting

Can will there be any questions then? Well, no. I don't usually let them ask questions people that bring it to in visitors to be here because not on the agenda. I mean, the reason is is that December we'd need to vote on it tonight. No, we cannot vote on it tonight. Oh, why not? It's not on the agenda. Let's do it. We can get on that. Well, here's

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Okay, we're going to call the meeting to order. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Okay. Are there any additions or corrections to the consent calendar? Move to approve the consent calendar. Pardon? I'll move to approve the consent calendar. Is there a second? Second. Call RO. Commissioners Garver. Hi. Peterson. Hi. York. Hi. Carlson. Hi. Mayor Lundstrom.

I. Okay. Next on the agenda is a visitors to be heard. This is about anything that is not on the agenda. If you would like to get up and speak for five minutes. It doesn't look like that's going to happen. So, we'll move on to old business. Um, this is the second reading for the reszone ordinance for 705 West Fifth Street. Um, we had the first reading on April 20th meeting and planning and zoning conducted their hearing on March 31st for a proposed ordinance for Rodney Tim for reszone at 705 West Fifth Street from combined zoning of general business and residential to general business only and um recommended the passage of this. The proposed ordinance if approved with the second reading tonight will be published May 14th and effective on um June 3rd. So, a motion and a second is required to approve the second reading.

We didn't get any new feedback at city hall or anything about this item. Okay. Motion to approve. Okay. Is there a second? Second. Okay. Call roll. Commissioners Peterson. Hi. York. Hi. Carlson. Hi. Garver. Hi. Mayor Lester. Hi.

Okay. Moving on to new business. We are going to move the executive session to the end of the meeting. There was no reason to have one at the beginning of the meeting. [snorts] So, next is a raffle request from the Canton Lutheran Church Youth Group Tabernacle. They are submitted a raffle request. Prices are $3 for one ticket, $5 for two tickets, and $10 for five tickets, $20 for 12 tickets, and they will be sold once the request is approved through May 31st. Prizes include two half hogs plus processing for approximate total of $500. Winners will be drawn on May 31st. Motion and a second is required to approve this.

Motion to approve. Second. A motion in a second. Call roll. Commissioners York. Hi. Carlson. Hi. Garver. Hi. Peterson. Hi. York. Mayor Lstrom. Hi. That

went around the horn. Um, next is a Canton softball silent auction. That's for the Canton High School girls team. Um, they're hosting a silent auction on May 12th at Kennedy Park. And the funds raised from the silent auction will help purchase new uniforms, equipment, and allow the ability to send the team to camps. And the coaches have asked if the city would donate two pool passes, one a family pass and one an individ individual pass to help raise funds.

To be clear, they actually just asked if we'd be willing to donate a pool pass or pool passes and we just put that on there to for your consideration. You can up it, lower it, whatever. But we we thought that'd give two different [clears throat] types of passes for people to bid on. And several times in the past, we've given pool passes for special events. I can't find it right now, but there's a Facebook page that has the um silent auction items. Oh. Oh, and of course I Is it on the girls softball?

Yes, it's on the girls softball Facebook page. And of course when I go to try to find it, can't find it. But there is a girls softball Facebook page and they have the listed items on there. Okay. Did not know that. [snorts] So, [clears throat] anybody want to make any suggestions or make a motion to accept? I have a motion to approve to donate two pool passes or one family pass and one individual pass. Okay. I'll second. Have a motion and a second. Is there any questions on this or comments? Not you want to call roll. Commissioners Garson. Hi Garber. Hi Peterson. Hi York Mayor Lstro.

Hi. Next we have a surplus handgun. It's recommended to declare the surplus for the Glock model 479 millimeter from the police department. Valuations have been received from three different shareholders for the city of Canton and the appraised value of $33.33 is based on the average. So, a motion and a second is required. What are we going to do with it? Trade it in on a new one. Motion. A second. Okay. You say something, Corbin? No, I was just going to answer questions if there was questions. Oh, does anybody have any questions for Corbin? We're trading it in.

Yeah, we're going to trade it in. We We went from the 47 to a 47 with an with optic. So, we bought that. It's about It's three years old when we were transitioning from the 17 to the 47. And then when we went to the optic, it was just way cheaper um to go. The price for an optic and the plate is the same price for the whole gun from Kiesler. So, okay. [clears throat] Motion to second. We do. Okay. Call vote. Commissioners Garver. Hi. Peterson. Hi. York. Hi. Carlson. Hi. Mayor Lstrom.

Hi. Next on the agenda is fireworks and we need to discuss the Fourth of July holiday. Um when we're going to allow fireworks, what hours and if day days, times permits and and will permits be required. Um we did not require permits the last couple years and um this year the 4th of July is on a Saturday I believe. Yes. Okay. And so let's have some discussion here.

You'll see um a handout in front of all of you from Teresa Zmer about some of her concerns and what she was able to gather from surrounding communities in [snorts] front of everybody but the mayor. I have a copy of the ordinance. [clears throat] Just as a reminder, your ordinance leaves it open for you to do exactly what the mayor read in her opening statement. You can if you do nothing, fireworks are not allowed if you but you can take action to allow them to any level that you want for any number of days with or without a permit. Rapids and Vermillion are on the fourth only.

It'll rain between now and then we won't have to worry about it because we'll have a burn van. That's very [laughter] Yeah, if there's a bird pan, there's not going to be any. I don't foresee us needing if it's on a Saturday. I don't foresee us needing at least Friday. I don't think there's any need to have fireworks on Friday if it's if you could, you know, if you have Saturday the 4th, the Saturday. Saturday's the fourth. I don't know if burn ban stops anybody putting on fireworks. H. So, I'm not sure a burn ban would stop anybody from doing Well, that would have to be our answer that if there's a burn ban, we ain't that we'll get a ticket.

Yeah, it will fall under all fireworks prohibited the 90 that that Andrew has in front of you. Even if you don't if you don't allow any fireworks, if you if you just let it go, it will all fall under that s that 90. What is it? 102 or something like that. Fireworks. fireworks prohibited is 9202 9202. So everything falls under that. Um if you guys give the city permission then it opens up that window. I believe SDCL says fireworks can be sold in the state of South Dakota from the 20 June 27th to July 5th.

Yep. So they people can buy fireworks here in the state of South Dakota between that time frame and I believe the last few years we've done a day or two prior and then the day after um as far as and we got rid of sorry [snorts] we got rid of the waiver y

um about I think like two two or three years ago and the only thing that that does that citation doesn't do is you can probably uh attach attach any sort of cleanup to that waiver. If you go to a house and it's still dirty, then then you can take their you can wave their fee, but other than that, everything falls under that fireworks prohibited and the fine is the same amount as well as the as the waiver, $100. So you're it's your opinion. It's of your opinion that if we allow fireworks on the 4th of July, but then there's a burn ban in place and we say you can have first unless there's a burn ban, then yep, the burn ban takes takes that all away.

Takes precedent. It doesn't it doesn't matter what it is. If you got a if you got a a couple trees that you want to burn or whatnot, you call in um to dispatch to get that so everyone knows because that's what you're supposed to do. Follow chain of command there. They'll tell you that you can't burn anything. period. And Harold declares a burn ban at the county level and cities are beholden to it. It's [snorts] almost always a combination of drought plus wind. It can be as dry as a bone, but if there's no wind, the burn ban usually isn't effective. [clears throat]

Okay. Can I speak? I was going to say Bernie, you got us have something to say. I'm Bernie Rock. We own rocks fireworks out here. And I just start with I appreciate the city commission. This is our 57th year doing fireworks. And there's one year we couldn't shoot in town and it was what two years ago. It was so stinking dry. Yeah.

We didn't even shoot fireworks at our place. We we stopped it. And then but uh this year it falls on the Saturday. It's America's 250th birthday. And like Paul, if it's wet, we won't have a problem. But like I was talking to my wife and she says most people will be off Friday because it falls back Saturday falls back. Sunday it falls forward. We we were thinking that maybe let them shoot um Thursday night, Friday, Saturday, but nothing Sunday because everybody's got to go to work Monday. So just and you can set a time on it and everything and just I just uh especially with the being America's big birthday this year and stuff. So this and that. But like I say, we we appreciate all the years that the commission has allowed fireworks in town and and stuff. So,

and we just went to the show Saturday night in Watertown, seen the new stuff go off, and there is some amazing, unbelievable stuff that for classy fireworks. I I don't know how they keep changing that stuff every year, but it is beautiful stuff. Did you buy some? Did you buy some so you can shoot them? We will. [laughter] Yep. I haven't put my order in yet, but we're going to order some stuff. So, yeah. Class C is what anybody can shoot off. Yep. That's consumer fireworks. Yeah. A and B is the fairgrounds and the big shows like that. You have to have I'd have to have a special license to buy it. Then you'd have to have a special license to get it from me. Okay. Do you work with AMB too or just C?

Nope. No, just C. Class C. Yep. Where uh do you get a lot of customers from outside of Canon? Mostly Canton. A lot of IS. Yeah. A lot of people from Iowa. And on top of it, they all come in. They say, "Where's a good place to eat in town?" So we tell them where to go and the kids come in after fireworks. They're going to Dairy Queen. So people are spending money at eating places and stuff like that too. So just kind of help things out, you know, and stuff and this and that. So uh just just want to throw that out to you guys that being a long weekend and our 250th anniversary and burn our hands are tied anyway, right? Yes. Yep.

Yeah. Yeah. But like I say, if it's that dry like a couple years ago, then there's no way I'm we're going to shoot them because can't take a risk of sparks flying. Oh, because that night the wind was blowing that way and I told my wife I said the spark goes over there and lands behind that tree. But uh no, we respect that the the dryness, you know, and stuff and it's and you [clears throat] can tell when the people come in when it's dry, they buy the little stuff and when if it's wet, they buy everything. So you can a lot of people respect that, you know. So yeah,

you know, all the fires have been going around here where it's, you know, but what's worse than fireworks is people smoking and throwing their cigarettes out. I've driven truck around this 32 years all around this area and it's like, well, somebody threw a cigarette out there and caught the ditch on fire and so yeah, it's it's crazy. But I just wanted to throw that out to you guys. Appreciate it. like like the here we'll have Friday off. So, but I I agree like with Sunday it's you know is our offices closed on Friday. Yeah. And it's a long weekend that way so people be leaving town and going to the lake. That's true too. Yep. Very true too.

Not me. Okay. I just wanted to throw that out. Thank you very much. Thank you for listening. Yep. You bet. [snorts] So what say you? We can discuss it, but I'll make a motion for Thursday, Friday, Saturday, unless there's a burn times. I would Friday, Saturday. I would prefer not Thursday night because some of us do work on Friday. Some of us don't get Friday off. I'd rather see Thursday than Sunday. No Sundays. No Sundays. I think this like Friday from 4 to 10 and then Saturday from let's say 10 to 10, 10 to 11.

I would go I would go to midnight on on the 4th. I would go and go all the way to the end because there's going to be people up and and rolling. And on Friday, you know, that time of year it's just barely getting dark at 10. Give them an hour past. So like Friday 11 Saturday midnight. Yeah. Okay. A couple years ago, I said we got to start it in the morning because gotta be smart. You gota actually legitimately have a start date. Start time. Yeah. You got to add a time. One way to go. I would venture just to say start it at 4:00 on Friday and end it at midnight on Saturday and then put 4 to 11 and then 4 to midnight. Okay.

Well, I would say you could 10 10 in the morning on Saturday. 10 on Saturday. Yeah. That's what the other gonna shoot fireworks 4 pm. I think four the other ones have 10 a.m. 11 a.m. The other communities you're going to have these I mean not the big stuff but you're going to have kids are going to want to shoot before 4 o'clock in the afternoon. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. True. So start both days at 10:00 a.m. and Friday at 11 and Saturday at midnight. 10 to 11 and 10 to 12. Right. Motion. I want which motion that motion motion to start Friday. I'll withdraw my motion Saturday. You can amend it if you want.

So the motion is to run fireworks on Friday from 11:00 a.m. 10:00 a.m. to 11:00 p.m. and Saturday from 10:00 a.m. to midnight. Right. Correct. No permit and everything goes, you know, no permit and permits are just all that's all Yeah. All bets are off. We can't do anything about it, right? So, we have a motion. Do we have a second? I'll second it. Okay. No other questions or comments? Anybody? No. You want to call roll? Commissioners Peterson. Hi. York. Hi. Carlson. Hi. Garbers. Hi.

Mayor Lstrom. Hi. Next on the agenda is the Kennedy Mansion consider proposals, but we don't have any we don't have all of the numbers and plans in yet. And I would like to see this just either tabled or something because I don't want to even discuss it because there's nothing to to discuss. You saw in my email on Friday, we didn't we don't have enough for you to work off of yet. And um the advocates for it knew that we didn't have all the info. So um they they didn't come tonight. So, do we need to table it or just just bypass it? Just bypass it. We can just bypass it. Okay, we'll bring it back whenever.

All right. Um, next is wide cleanup happen. This costs money, but every helping people clean up. We get more and more complaints and like to see us do to the street and we'll pick it up. Like I' I'd like to get back to that. I feel like that really made a difference in town and I know it cost us money. Um, but I think it's worth it for the cost. That's my opinion.

If we go that route too, that um to help defay some of the cost, we can ask somebody last year and I tried to find a copy of it had brought in a sheet where she had summarized other towns and their cleanup. I think I have I think I have sheet and on at least one of the towns they had found sponsors to help um maybe a like right defay to defay some of the cost. So if we go that route I'll certainly go out there and try to get somebody to sponsor however small of an impact that might have. We did check with Sou Falls Landfill and they're not waving tipping fees for other communities. So, it's going to cost more, but they're not allowing it. There's they're not going to wave tipping fees.

So, anything we haul, there's tonnage, right? We pay full price. But I don't disagree with you at all that that might be one of the most effective ways to I just feel like since it was with been three years what we went away from it and in the last three years I just see the the junk piles in people's yards and stuff has just elevated and and whether or not the correlation equals the causation I don't know but hopefully if we bring it back maybe we could get those things moved out to the street and taken away you you know, to really boost the the ability for people to clean up their yards and their houses and get rid of some of those things.

So, when we've done that in the past, is it is that like a a week that it takes for us? Was you have a week to move it out to the street and then there's like a was it two days to get through the whole town? One day, two days. It took more than took about a full week. every all hands on deck 25 $30,000 to do what I mean I I hear you I I'm not convinced that it's going to help people that really need it because but it's it removes an excuse

I mean our people are working but it's still if I remember right it was between 15 and $20,000 just for the labor if we do do that route I'd asked that we hold off until after the pool is open because we use all hands on deck for the pool. Yeah. When is when is it usually? I don't even recall. June. Usually in June. So that would be Yeah. The pool will be well open by now.

You know it's we've had various things that have helped and and I know we've changed it over the years. We used to go by and pick up on the curb side. I know a few years ago, um I think the I think it helped save us some costs when we actually had people haul it out to the rubble site. Uh because instead of going door to door and picking everything up, it was in one site. Um it's because we were hiring uh semi-d drivers with side dumps. So when they were driving around town, we were paying an hourly rate where when it got dumped at the rubble site, it was all just hauled out of there and saved us time and money. And some of the stuff can stay there. Yes.

That's what we That's what we have to address. What are we going to pick up? You going to pick up paint? You going to pick up 2x4s? You going to pick up [clears throat] if if we're upholstered items? You right. If we're picking it up and it's going to go to the landfill anyway, we should take anything that the landfill allows. So, we should have separate piles because some we would take to Yeah., you know, I'm reading other communities on Facebook and how they're doing it. Uh-huh. And a pile for steel and a pile for debris. And that way you can just come in and squeeze it, put in the truck and haul it, and then the next week or the next day, however fast it happens, you got the extra pile. Yeah. Can we do something like that to speed it up and make it more efficient?

Or do you even have a pile where the city can that take it just goes to the city rebel pile? That's the pile that just goes to the city rebel pile. They don't got to pay for it. And some of that's good in theory, but then then we have the individuals that like to hide their old rumage sale items in electronics and things that we cannot take. Right. [snorts] Nor will the landfill.

Yeah. I talked about this maybe two years ago where I want to be able to put a a roll off at I always pick the Bob Leer location at the corner and and put rolloffs there for a temporary time. We will take your electronics from the week of such and such and we'll take your tires for the week of such and such. Is that something we can if we want to address cleaning up these properties? That's the things that I see are the tires, the electronics that nobody wants to take, the paint cans.

Well, all of that can be the electronics recycling place in Sou Falls will take any individual's stuff. So, if you have a TV, you run it up to the electronics recycling place and they take it for free. You you also have places that uh same place will take paint and household chemicals, but it requires people to haul it there, right? on an individual basis and right they scan your driver's license and they only allow five TVs and you will not get six. [clears throat] We did get it's it was last year sometime but I still have the information and we should grab quotes from half a dozen places for tires so we could tires are going to cost you about three bucks a tire.

Yeah. I don't get into tires. That's going to be really dry. We could if we did maybe we do tires at a different time and there's a reason tires get end up in the ditch because it cost to get rid of they end up down at Chicago. I get them out at the campground where when I had the store it was out there all the time. Well, this is what the discussion Sure. I'm listening to you. I just I mean we've had it where we'll we've had a volunteer to go pick them up. We bring it out there. It's just Yeah.

And if we could just get them to bring it out to people the site. It saves us thousands of dollars. Thousands. And now if we got to pay the city of Sou Falls and I don't blame them, but then now we got that bill too. When are the citywide rumage sales? We like to get it done before canon week, right? Celebrate can typically typically rubbish sales. That's why I'm asking tomorrow. I don't I'm asking the rumage sales because typically we do it the week after. Week after. Yeah.

So I'm kind of trying to figure out a time frame here. I know it's in June. I thought it was in June. It's usually the first weekend in June, isn't it? Could be under the chamber. Yeah, I think that's typical first week. Far as an unmanned dumpster, Chris, I think that's you're asking for everything to get dumped in there that shouldn't get dumped in. We're going to get every other town to bring their stuff, too. That's a good point. We can put those rollways though at We could put the rollways inside the rubble site. That way they're not unmanned. I'd only have it allowed.

Yeah. Yeah. If you got a roll away anywhere in this town, people are dumping in it, right? I have friends who have a rollway where they're building their house and it is well inside their property and people go well inside their properties to dump stuff in that construction. Okay. [snorts] Um, not finding it, huh? No. Back people were not going to get to bring the stuff anyway.

I'm not sure when the rumor sales were, but June 24th is the last time. 2024 I got an email or I sent an email about city. So, it must have been around that time, the last time we did it in June. I think the la last year's was much later because it took us a while to make a decision. Much later than usual because we started talking about it like June the year before we used the flood. I think you did it on the 12.

Yeah. The flood the flood took care of the year before. Yeah. I wanted to get into a zone preference of like every three years it cycles back around to your portion of the city and we hit it really hard and try to and try to break it up into they used to do that and it went to citywide because we got most all the zones cleaned up to where you could do it in in one in one week. Gotcha.

Uh, you know, that's been quite a few years ago. Um, and some of what they thought happened in the zoning is people hoarded their stuff for three years. They kept it. I can see people going and saying, "Well, that one that place is getting that picked up. I'm just going to take my stuff over." Well, that's how we got a lot of mattresses. The last time we collected mattresses, people from all over the county were bringing mattresses and piling them on people's yards.

Yep. And that before and before we banned tires, uh there was I I think I don't know if they ever got caught. I know there was talk about that there was a person that had a a flatbed trailer full of tires and you were allowed four. So if you didn't have any on yours, he'd put four on yours. You drive [laughter] Hey, you got to give him credit for using his head, huh? And that's and that's why we stopped doing tires. I mean, you know, can rummage is May 29th and 30th. Oh, May 29th and 30th. Yep.

Sarah, would you be open to have a couple people staying at the rumage rumage rumage site for a couple nights besides during the day? So that still leads us to lots of people don't have trailers. They come to the city and sign up we'll get trailers.

That's the thing is every year we have this sign up for volunteers and you get two or three people and those two or three people you know jobs they have other responsibilities and you know we shouldn't I don't know like I have a trailer but I don't have time [laughter] to go and unload people's houses. Um, I apologize, but I don't. And so it's just there's just so many elderly folks, people who don't have trailers. I mean, I all the time I see people like, I don't even have money for gas to go pick up baby formula. Can someone come get it and bring it to me? Well, then why don't we

if we put them out the curb, we're going to have our city crew do it. So, why can't they come and sign it and our city crew go get the people that sign up? We'll have everybody sign up. You'll have everybody sign up. Well, yeah, if you have if you sign up, then you got to you got to go and list rather than just going up and down the roads.

I guess I pro we probably can't do anything tonight. I'd like to hear from people. Yeah. Like what are your thoughts? I think we'll get feedback after tonight. I would like I would hope so. I'd like to hear people's thoughts. I don't know about you guys, but absolutely that's been something I've heard a lot of is can we go back to the way the the cleanup was? And I address that as sure, but the wrong people aren't using it. Like Paul says,

you can have a citywide cleanup and I can go back to that house and not a thing move from that yard. But there's our ordinances that I was talking about prior to the meeting. But you got to hold them ordinances to value them. After a citywide cleanup, if that place still looks like it did prior, guess what? You had your opportunity. Yep. I agree. We need to we need to start pounding down on following ordinances in this town. And I agree. If you're not taking advantage of the situation or the offerings of opportunities, then you get the opportunity to see us in court. [laughter] Do you know what Linux does? Pardon?

I hate comparing us to Linux, but I do. Do you know what Linux does? They give one free pass to Sou Falls. One one day pass. We did do that. We did do one free. Well, it was to our rubble and it was anything. It was mattresses, tired. It was one free pass. whatever you had to take it out to the ripple site and I don't think a lot of people use it. Then again, you bump into the same scenario of I don't have a way of getting it. Correct. And I imagine that's what they hear. Yeah. I don't [clears throat] have any way to get the S get to Sou Falls when they're open. It's Monday through Friday, 8 to 4. When am I going to get there? They're open on Saturdays, aren't they?

The line can take you two hours on a Saturday, though. I mean, we can table it for two weeks, but I would I still wouldn't you come and sign up that that you need help picking up, then we can send our city crew to go pick it up if we're worried about not getting enough volunteers and we did use city crews last and a few people might come in in excess, but I I don't like just dumping on the curb. Because then you got everybody like say coming from out of town in the yards and then you got people scavening through everybody else's stuff.

Hey, that's what I like to do. That's like the best time of the year. I know is having the the yard pickers. [laughter] My wife doesn't appreciate all the new stuff that comes home. Table for two weeks and see [clears throat] feedback we get. Okay. a motion to table it for two weeks. Make sure folks realize that we are tableabling this for two weeks to come to two weeks from now's meeting and we want to hear from citizens how what they would like if it's feasible. Do we have a second? We don't know. Saying that there's no video on the

Oh, wonderful. As for asking I don't know. important part and there's no video, right? [clears throat] Can you post it on the Facebook page and send out on the app and just say you'd like to hear some feedback? Yeah. Yeah. A push notification.