City Commission - Regular Meeting

You ready?

Yep.

Okay. Are there any additions or corrections to the consent calendar?

I'll second. Okay. You want to call roll? Commissioner Peterson.

Aye.

Garbers.

Aye.

Carlson. Aye. York.

Aye.

Mayor Lundstrom. Aye.

Okay. Are there any visitors to be heard tonight on a subject that is not on the agenda? Okay. So we'll move on to new business, the planning and zoning membership ordinance. It's been recommended to amend chapter 32 of the city organizations for planning and zoning membership. The city attorney, Sam Nelson has reviewed the ordinance and indicated that he is unsure that the state law would allow for the mayor or city commissioner to vote only in the absence of PNZ commissioner So he suggested removing them from being included in the seven member portion and including the mayor or city commissioner as an ex-officio member instead, so they can maintain situational awareness on behalf of the city commission and provide input if needed. So a motion is made for a first reading. That would be just one, just a motion. Or in discussion on that, you want to talk about that?

Motion to approve. Okay.

There you go. Yep. Yep. Okay. Next is open container at the corn carnival. There is a public ordinance to permit public location for alcohol consumption by special permission, correct? And Lisa Hinger with this chamber of commerce has requested for the city commission to authorize alcohol to be consumed but not sold at the corn carnival in conjunction with the wheel and noids where alcohol event cups cups will be sold for the event and the following is the ordinance stating that that is allowable um do you have any questions for uh lisa i do so they buy these cups Any of the noise or the wheel and they fill them with the alcohol there. Yep. And then they have to carry them across the street to be in the fence for the car show. No, it would be for the carnival weekend. Oh, for the heart of a separate weekend. Oh, okay. So is that, that's downtown?

Yep.

Oh, I thought it was up. Okay.

Carnival will be held on sixth street. Street dance will be behind the wheel. Okay. In the parking lot.

So then it'll be open cups and they can just wander with them. So what keeps them from just bringing the liquor bottle with them and refilling it?

Oh, they have to get to be able to do that. If that's what they want to do, they'll have to be banded and purchase a cup to block the street with the cup. And have the liquor bottle? No, they cannot carry the liquor bottle on the street. That's what I'm saying.

So if you have an open cup with no lid, what keeps somebody from just bottle in their car and walking over to the car.

Andrew, what was your problem? Did you have problems with that in Harrisburg?

I never used this method myself. I borrowed this concept from Deadwood. And quite frankly, if you want to, you can. We're hoping to derive a little bit of revenue through their initial cup sale. Cut down trash and prevent class. So if they walk over to their car and fill up the cup that they still had to purchase from Neuter the Wheel and fill it up with booze that they hopefully bought from Sunshine or some other liquor place in town, so be it.

So is it blocked off, the carnival? Is that blocked off or anybody, it's just for anybody to walk in and out? They can walk in and out.

And this is, so the carnival is three days. Is this for all three days?

We were hoping, but if not, at least Saturday for the street dance portion.

Yes, anything like you're saying the street dance is Saturday. What is going on Friday that you would like to see this needed for Friday?

Just people out and about wanting the opportunity to have a drink out while they're watching their kids.

Anybody else have any questions?

There's a lot to think about. I am trying to leave my personal thoughts out of it and I'm trying to think as a community here and Friday, Saturday, Sunday, right? Sunday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. I'm also trying to visualize what I'm envisioning downtown as far as temporary fencing, getting to their vehicles. I'm not, I'm not a gnome guy. I'm just, I'm just trying to envision what this is going to look like.

Where's the street dance at? The parking lot behind the wheel, the city lot. Is the wheel running that? No. Chambers. Are you blocking that area off then? No.

days andrew did you attend harrisburg uh i mean not this year not this year the last couple years but i i did this year i had a friend up there that i wanted to see in a long time i felt really comfortable there but there was also 15 to 20 lincoln county sheriffs around that that made me feel like people weren't just wandering and

don't know how we're going to make that happen with say two officers on staff yeah so we probably would have had extra officers on staff whether there was alcohol or not for the carnival i mean if it was just a carnival i don't think you would but with the street dance and selling alcohol i think you do but just a regular old carnival i don't I don't know that you need a lot of officers.

You like to think that, but.

I mean, there's a reason why they fill these cups. They got to go back to noise or the wheel to fill.

Correct.

And they get charged for that.

They get charged for the drink then after that. They don't get charged every time for the cup. They pay for the cup initially when they get banded and then go back to the bars to have them filled.

Could I ask how much the cups are going to be?

we were looking at $5 a piece.

So five bucks all you can drink? No. No. Five bucks just to have the band and the cup. Just the cup. Then you pay for the drink.

OK.

I was taking that like you just take the cup and you just keep going.

If that's what you'd like to do, we'd charge a lot.

That's a pretty cheap. You guys got to help me out here. That's a $50 cup. You're going to the corn carnival.

what are your guys i mean what are your guys thoughts i'm kind of on the same path as you like i feel like during the street dance perfectly that seems that seems logical i don't have a problem with that i would maybe like to see some some corralling of space, so you don't have it.

Well, haven't they always put fence around when they had street dances or beer gardens out behind there?

Yeah, but that's when they just had the dance. They didn't let them take it into the carnival. It was just strictly for the dance area.

They kept it for that area.

Yeah.

that's one thing you might have noticed at harrisburg days we never went with the beer garden concept there it was everybody mixed there um just it was easier on enforcement to not have to corral the booze separately right i didn't i noticed there was a tent and you went to the tent right but you could take it out wherever you wanted previously anyway they might have changed that okay lutheran in these says we shouldn't be drinking on sunday yeah do we have to bring an extra or no we don't even have any extra on our roster right now so it'd just be the our current folks

When is the carnival?

August 7th, 8th and 9th.

So we could have a little bit of time if we wanted to. I mean, unless somebody is like, we're doing that, like, I don't know. I'm still mulling thoughts here.

I got my kids there. I don't think I'm going to be drinking beer because it ain't a very good example of you bringing your kids to the carnival and you're drinking beer. And you're carrying, yeah. I don't know. Like at Swampire Fair, do they, can you walk in there with you? I don't know. I don't go there. I don't know.

I don't go to that fair anymore. I don't believe so.

I don't believe so either.

Yeah.

You have to be in a beer garden.

Yeah.

They have a beer garden?

They have a beer garden.

They got a beer garden, but.

That's the only place you can drink.

That's the only place. You can't walk down the paths. No.

that's understandable what about those concerts that they have you can drink in the grandstand you can't take it out of the grandstand area yeah and we're wanting to let them go to these two establishments because of uh cooler thought like keeping it cold versus like having a tent where we're concerned not having to organize selling booths at all correct just not putting it on putting on the two establishments

Yep, and giving them the opportunity to make some money at the same time.

That I'm not in opposition to.

Right, yeah. That's where my thoughts are conflicted. Is the Children's Carnival the place to sell alcohol? But also if it's gonna be a place that people are wanting to buy and pay for and it makes a little money for our businesses.

Do you wanna just restrict it to Saturday and see how that goes?

Or maybe just like a certain time on Friday night. Like, I don't, what time does it start on Friday?

It'd be easier to assume.

Like if you say like eight to whenever it closes. 11. 11.

Can Noids set up? Is it on the street of Noids?

No, it'll be down 6th Street between Cedar and Lincoln.

So is this Mexican restaurant going to be open by then?

Not sure yet if they'll be open by the end of it. the month or beginning of the month.

Where I'm going with this is I would rather see a fenced in area for noids and then the fenced in area for the wheel. And you can go there and drink while your kids are, so you're downtown. But I'm not going to be a real fan of carrying beer around. In the car. A family event.

That's why I was thinking if it starts at 8 p.m. on Friday night till 11, like if that's kind of more of the teenager or old. parent time of the carnival versus right away at 6 p.m where all the little kids are out and about like maybe maybe the evening hours carnival goes how late till 11. what's that fifth street they on the south side or the sixth street six six six so though uh in front of lori's uh sunnyside fitness

We're not sure until they show up and they start spacing the rides and everything that we might have to use a few more blocks of six or go down one of the side streets with a particular ride. We've got some overhead lines in the way and a few spots. Six will be the core of it, but it could spread out a little bit more. Ordering cups is your big hang-up.

Yeah, that will be our big hang-up.

I'll say this. I think that we're looking at approving some form of it. So if you need to order cups, I think it sounds like we might be approving some form of it to give you that. But I don't know if we're ready to set a term and condition and permit. Am I right in saying that?

I'd rather have a fenced-in area for both of them. And you've got to sit inside that fence while your kids are there. Put your cup down and go get your kids. And if you want to come back, come back.

Then there would be no use of selling the cups, actually.

Right.

Yeah, because then they would have to throw the cup away.

Then they wouldn't buy a cup if they're having to stay at the bar. Business establishments would worry about disposable cups. City wouldn't be involved at all.

Yeah, I don't know. keeping them corralled right in front of business is the way to go either. Cause then yeah, then nobody's going to want, nobody's going to take their kids. Cause I'm not going to, even I'm not going to let my 15 year old wander the carnival as I'm over here drinking beer. Like that's, that's not going to happen, but I would be open to tabling it and then coming up with a solid plan at the next, by the next meeting. which I think involves, which involves the cops and something, right?

Yeah, I could. Yeah, public comment, please. Public input from anybody? Come on, let's hear it. Please.

Good evening, Chair Skiles.

I'm trying to get it to work tonight. I'm sorry.

Okay. I'll just talk loud. I can do that. So I have to agree with commissioner Garbers on this one. I just don't think in a kid for a kid friendly event that the corn carnival is, and it'll always be a kid friendly event because I remember when I was a kid, I don't like the idea of adults walking around with alcohol in any way, shape or form, no way to control it. No fences. No, I. I think you're asking to open a big can of worms here, and I think that's gonna detract from the kid-friendly atmosphere of the corn carnival. So I would be against this whole concept other than what Commissioner Garner suggested, which is a couple of fenced-in areas. Thank you.

Mrs. Ulmer, I got a couple different angles at this. Are we, do we have a dance or anything in more partial weekend? Pardon? No dance. No, nothing in partial weekend. Like it used to be. No. So the beer garden is going to be more corn carnival weekend.

Can you stay up there? Cause I can't hear you.

I'm just saying, why does everything have to revolve around drinking? I'm yeah. I'm the same way. Corn carnival kids, if they want to have a beer garden or a dance or band have a little area. I don't think drinking belongs everywhere in this town anymore. Drink there, drink there. It's a corn kernel, but it's for my kids. If you want to drink, go home. Go to a good bar. Other thing is, if the streets can be closed, you can't block the alley off. The alley needs to be open behind the businesses. I need to get to my alley. I need to get to my business or have notice. The last time the wheel has done that, I haven't been able to get to my business in the back that night. So for me, it's kind of a double-edged sword. I didn't realize it was going in the back. parking lot is fine. But as the city maps it, half the alley is a two-valley news. So you can't block up the alley to our businesses back there. So it's either the alleys, either the cities and they can block it off or the alley is part ours, part of the cities. We have to come up with agreement there of who owns that alley, who has to maintain that alley. Because if it is half ours, you can't block off our back of our business there for our deliveries, even if it is one night. In the past, the wheel has put up a tent, has damaged our property, supposedly our property, half of our alley that has a sinkhole now that is causing the back of the to sink in and cave in even more every year. And the city's idea was throw a little tar in there, oh, they get a little better. I went back out there again today, it sunk some more. So I said, there's two things, kids, alcohol, do we need alcohol at every event in town anymore? And where the location is, you can't block us off. Thank you. Okay, is there anything you want to add?

No? Okay. So, food for thought.

I was going to chime in, in between Chad I think alcohol brings commerce and sales tax and people to events. That is highly obvious throughout the entire country. You take away that and numbers go down. Is my liberty for sale because of that? Am I only going to go to that event because it allows alcohol? Not this guy, because I'm not that way. But others, yes. So to answer your first question, I think that alcohol is at this event for that reason. You're trying to promote to companies in this community, to establishments in this community, to thrive on this event.

I agree with that. But you have a car show the weekend before. Correct.

So it's the wrong event. The Corn Carnival is not the place to have the alcohol as far as I can say. maybe maybe lisa's trying to i'm not speaking for you maybe lisa's trying to get some things to come and get some because that's her job is to bring bring commerce to this community so she's trying to do that and there's only so many weekends to do that so so i sit here and say yes she's trying to do this but maybe the corn carnival isn't the place to do that i honestly don't have a classic car but i wouldn't want you drinking alcohol next to my classic car neither so there's like all these things that we have going on that i wouldn't necessarily see alcohol thriving but civil war days that was was that just the pool thing we did that year yes yes that was it though yeah that was the pool yeah that was so is there alcohol at civil war days no no and we had it fenced in it wasn't worth the effort i understand i so i i'm going to applaud you for for doing your job and bringing your ideas and working with Andrew bring your ideas to that I just don't know if the corn carnival is the place to do it what about the street dance part and then this yeah so that makes so at seven o'clock or eight o'clock all of a sudden alcohol is allowed I don't that's what we need more time to talk about because I feel like we need more time to talk about that so we can hash it out

make a decent decision rather than so this cup are they gonna charge the same that they normally charge when they go back to philadelphia up again yes they pay the same price they would for a drink if they were in the bar this cup doesn't come with a drink the first time either

It's $5 plus your drink, plus your drink, plus your drink, plus your drink, but it's the only thing that you can carry that has alcohol in it. So you can't bring in your can.

You can't bring in your bottles. It makes it a traveler. There's a way to look at it. The red solo cup is the traveler of the event. Gotcha.

I open. I still go back. interested if you have the fence because I don't think I'm going to vote for it if there ain't a fence to go there and drink because you got this wide open I mean you're gonna have it we're all here way over 21 but you're gonna have somebody 21 and walking giving us somebody around the corner if there's no fences you can do that with the fences too I mean, I know where the parking lot is, but can you keep Teresa's alley open? I don't know. Yeah.

Yeah, I can see just making sure that one strip of property is open.

If the Mexican restaurant ain't going to be open by now, or by then, Sunday's hours are what?

4 to 11 unless it's hot, but they push it back.

table till the next meeting but if you got to order cups and i'm not saying that i would make a motion to table it until the next meeting and then we'll have it we'll have a solid answer for you at the next meeting okay sir do you want to be part of a working meeting with lisa and ida sure i'm not on the 19th so i won't be at that solid meeting of plan but i can help Is there a second?

Yeah. Is there a second? Okay. You want to call roll? Thank you.

Commissioner is Garbers.

Aye.

Carlson. Aye. York.

Aye.

Peterson.

Aye.

Mayor Lundstrom. Aye.

Okay. Okay. Next on the agenda is payout for intersection pavement markings project. Parker Hammond from ISG has submitted a pay application on behalf of Sir Lyons Allot for $76,168.75 for the intersection pavement marking project.

So. Sir, did you want to table this until some?

I mean, I'm okay with paying them. I know they did the work. And I didn't get the... I saw them of course, but then of course didn't have a way to write down the thoughts, but I have noticed that there are a few that, like just a section of them, you know, it's not completely filled in. It's just kind of half painted. Yeah. Like, I don't know if they just ran out of paint or if it.

You mean through the whole width of the street?

So like you have the whole width of the street, but then you have like all the squares and there'll be like two squares that are like, fairly painted. Like, you know, it'll be white, white, white, white, white, and then kind of gray. And then there was one that was just the outline. I remember seeing that. I think they didn't even fill it in. So I'd have to go back because of course I see these things randomly as I'm going about my day. So I have to literally go back at every one of them and take a look. But I mean, I know that they did the job, but I would like to make sure that they come back and finish any problem spots.

So table that or just you want to.

what is your thought hold off payment you keep their attention when you have it paid and there's no like that you know that this isn't like a larger project where there was retainage that you don't let go until the end of the project this is just one and done right so we write the check we might never see them again right right i mean they're a good outfit but they're a busy outfit yes and so to keep their attention don't you want them done before you write the check

okay so then maybe we just table it and then okay i'll try to specifically how often

who do these annually?

We shouldn't have to do this annually. They're meant to last three to five years. It will all depend on the amount of gravel that gets used in a given year for snow removal. But you know, they recess them ever so slightly into the ground. That should help them last. It's a little bit more durable paint. So we really shouldn't have to do this annually. But if there was a year where we really have to gravel a lot, that could definitely shorten their lifespan.

Okay. Committee motion to table it. Second. Who is second? Second. Okay, roll.

Commissioners Carlson. Aye. York. Aye. Peterson. Aye. Garbers. Aye. Mayor Lundstrom.

Aye. Okay, next is the payout for the manhole adjustments. Parker Hammond from ISG submitted a pay application on behalf of A&B Concrete for $9,183.69 for manhole adjustments. And are they all...

all completed they're all yeah work good now yeah do we have to put the blacktop i haven't seen any of them no they didn't do that a lot of them along the street there's a lot of them on third street they're very on third street there's quite a few all the blacktop that they cut out they replaced with concrete yeah all right it's all concrete it was done pretty well for sewer well i feel like there was one on maine that was like they did one but not the other

Well, they only picked so many to do this year.

So just the ones they picked are done, not all of them in town are done.

Correct. We only budgeted for a certain number. We wanted to see what it looked like when we did it. Have you tested it? I've driven over drinking coffee at the same time.

That'll be the real test. I was going to make a comment, but I got to be careful. If you drive from Commissioner York's house to the high school, it's a lot smoother.

from my house to the gym. It's a lot smoother.

I'm just saying.

On a bicycle.

I'm just saying. So in case you're wondering. That's a bonus. Those ones are, he says third street. Those ones are really nice. Next year, we're going to push for some more.

Do we have a second? Second.

Commissioners York. Aye. Peterson. Aye. Carvers. Aye. Carlson. Aye. Mayor Lundstrom.

Aye. Next on the agenda is the Code of Ethics. Sarah drafted a proposed ordinance pertaining to City Commissioner Code of Ethics. We have it, I think it's online. And so that's open for discussion and motion is needed to approve for the Code of Ethics that we do not have, so. Anybody have any questions? Do not.

Motion to approve. Motion, yeah. Second.

Okay, we have a motion and a second to approve. Call roll. commissioners peterson hi garbers hi carlson hi york mayor lundstrom hi uh next is a raffle request from rocks transit um they submitted a raffle request to raise money they're selling raffle tickets from july 6th through the july 25th with the drawing happening on the 25th um tickets are 20 each and there are four prizes And the first price, 300, second, 100, third place is $50 and fourth place is a 40 ounce rocks, Stanley tumbler. So the motion is required to approve this request.

Motion.

second second roll commissioners garbers hi carlson hi york hi peterson all right mayor lundstrom hi next is a street closure request from the fire department for their water um

Water fights on July 25th, approximately 10 to 5, and it could be East 4th Street from Lincoln to Dakota, or North Dakota Street from 5th to 4th Street, depending on the direction of the wind for the water fights. So a motion is required to approve this request.

So I was just going to say, we're going to close down North Dakota street.

That would be a tough one. If it happens there, I would, I don't, I would want to find a different North South.

I mean, could we just do it on South Lincoln? Like between fifth and fourth.

That would be less, that would be less, much less difficult to handle.

I say we got to stay off Dakota street.

Yeah. And, i don't ever remember them they might have but not very often down dakota street before it's been like three or four years ago okay without the wrong yeah but it doesn't happen real often it's usually fourth straight just because of wind so what do you want to do about this bliss lincoln is the alternative yes i would think like i mean

Because then you don't leave a way to get into Dollar General.

I was going to say, you're going to remember to get into the Dollar General.

Well, you can still get into Dollar General from the back, from 4th Street. From 4th Street.

From 5th Street to 4th Street on Lincoln.

Yeah, like if you came on 4th Street. Or the Bank Street. Yeah, into the back. Dollar Store.

Yeah. How do you get in?

From 4th Street. You can get in on 4th Street.

Oh, that's right. There's a North Drive. I forgot there was a North Drive right there. Yeah.

To Dollar General. To drive through the Bank. the ATM then for the bank.

Oh yeah. But you could still, I mean, I know they have their signs, but they can still come this way. Yeah.

They could come against the one way street.

Pardon?

Awesome.

Approves. They off Dakota street. Okay. Is there a second for that? Second. Okay.

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Power tech?

Power tech equipment? Is that the name? It was all they were doing. I just gave them permission to use the parking lot. They had a crane available. We found a flag guy, Mark Nelson, Maximum Promotions. he was had a lot of people tell us that's who we need to use um and yeah they paid for the rental of the flag oh nice um which wasn't cheap and then even the rigging that helps keep the flag kind of stable was another rental item but it was it was very neat they had a bunch of volunteers to unravel the flag so that it wouldn't touch the ground as they raised it so that was neat to be there for that as well so thank you

to anyone that was involved with that.

Pretty cool to see. I'd love to find a place to put up a 100-foot flagpole in this town and have a flag that big all the time.

The flag that's on top of the grain elevator is actually a pretty big flag, but it's so high up there.

I just think of the Legion on Main Street in here.

Oh, yes.

And the flag and the flagpole. I'd love to have a prominent spot in town to do something like that in the future.

That would be pretty cool. Do you have anything, Chris? I do not. Sarah?

I wanted to remind everyone that on the 19th, we have Celebrate Canton Community Worship in the Park at 10 o'clock in the morning at Jack Fox Park. And to let everybody know that I will be out the 19th through the 1st of August. So you'll want to contact a different commissioner should you have any issues during that week. Those two weeks, excuse me.

Two weeks, okay.

Doug? Doug?

Oh, I wonder. I didn't actually just ask Andrew on Bridge Street where the pavement hits the bridge.

Yeah.

It's gonna butter dip heck of a left and a half. Okay, all the gravels gone out of it again. Okay. Other than that, they've kept the Bridge Street road and and eat Westland had been a lot better.

They got graded after the rain. Yeah.

Okay, good. A lot better. There's still some ripples in there. But hey, Bob done. I haven't checked with their progress yet. I was going to say, didn't you and I had the visit that they have to be done by Civil War days? When we close off Bridge Street, we've got to have that road open then.

I asked the engineer about finding a different detour so that we could close Bridge Street for Civil War days, and they said that they thought the project would be done by then. So I told them I would call and check with them in July to make sure they're still on progress.

on track but they're taking about four days off i don't think they work today either they didn't work friday but they are at the entrance south entrance of the justice center so they should be close to being done with the uh pipe so the pipe the substructure and that was the that was the slow part yeah that was just that was going to be the slow part getting back in and doing the road circles the road shouldn't be too bad so they they've got a chance to move And then they have to repair all the damage from their property line north to Lynn Street because all those heavy trucks have been tearing it up. Because that's just like four coats of tar and some pea gravel. It's not really a paved road.

I will talk to Hope Works about it. They've told me before that's a spot that they have to touch up a couple times a year.

Okay, Paul? Garbage pickup. I think we all got a letter from a resident uptown. And I got a fourplex, and I really don't care one way or the other. But to pacify these people that are in the apartment that they're paying rent, that the taxes are probably part of it. I would say that if you're in the apartment or if you're in a business that you do not own, you need to go to the city hall and sign up for it to be picked up.

Yeah, I had the same question asked. People that were renting.

The reason that I'd say you have to go to the city hall is Who dumped it out there?

Oh, yeah.

Well, that night we were at the electronic thing. We had a renter question about that.

And that's the same person that reached out to the commissioner. But yeah, that's the same thought. That's my concern is that on an owner-occupied structure, we know who, well, as long as someone else didn't dump it there. If we know who to bill for extra items at an apartment complex, we only have the owner of the building. We don't know what tenant would have possibly put it out there. So I like Paul's suggestion that.

Signing up at City Hall.

Maybe just puts it out there. When's the first day they pick up? Monday? That's to be out on Sunday night. Come to the city hall, sign up, can't be out there until Saturday.

You own an apartment.

Does that make sense? So I don't have to because I own it, but I have to tell my renters.

Tell your renters. If they want to put stuff out there, they have to come to city hall.

Okay.

And then they can't put it in there before Saturday.

And not until Saturday.

Do you have anything, Andrew?

That was the only thing I was going to bring up.

Do we have an exec?

No, ma'am.

Okay. All right. I'll entertain a motion to adjourn. Motion. We have a second.

Second.

Peterson.

Peterson. Aye. Carlson. Aye. Mayor Lundstrom. Aye. Meeting is adjourned.

I can count a big meeting tomorrow.