City Commission - Regular Meeting

The weeds are really liking the growth.

Wow. They're ridiculous right now. It's been too hot and too windy. I haven't even been able to spray much.

Hope you can't grow up. 32 ounces of this, and 32 ounces of that, and 32 ounces of this, and put a little ethylene in it, and some VanVil on it, and then you can munch on it. What are you spraying? It's only killing the leaves, don't worry about it. I suppose it really stinks. Wait three days and see if I kill the leaves.

I'm surprised you got VanVil yet. It's pretty old. I got some clarity.

never heard of that dad years ago got a hold of some stuff i don't remember i think it was from mormons but it was liquid it was a powder and he mixed it with water

and you put that in greeneries, you'd be surprised at dead mice, because they don't need a lot of water, but if it's available, they'll drink it. There are dead mice all over the place. You could put mouse poison out and they wouldn't come.

Okay, we're going to call a meeting to order. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Okay, are there any additions or corrections to the consent calendar? I think we must do a second.

Second.

Anyone call roll?

Commissioners Garbers? Aye. Peterson? Aye. York? Aye. Carlson?

Aye.

Mayor Lester?

Aye. Are there any visitors to be heard tonight about anything that's not on the agenda? So we'll move forward to old business. We're going to have the second reading of the rezone ordinance for Amagansett 4, LLC. The first reading was done on May 18th. Meeting and planning and zoning conducted their hearing on April 28th for the proposed ordinance and a rezone for a parcel at 298.00.100 for urban reserve to combine zoning residential. and urban reserve for the remainder of the parcel and recommended approval of passage. The proposed ordinance, if approved with the second reading, will be published on June 11th and effective July 1st. And a motion and a second is required to approve of this ordinance.

Motion to approve.

Do we have a second?

Okay.

Moving on to new business. We have the airport grant agreements back on the agenda for tonight, and we are discussing this one issue and not 10. So let's keep it to the issue at hand. And the first item is the airport grant agreement with KLJ engineering has submitted an FAA grant for a fuel project design for $56,050 that will be funded 95% through this grant with the state and local contribution covering the other 5%. Attached, if you go on the website, is an agreement and a motion is needed to approve the FAA grant agreement and authorize me to sign it. And we've been putting this off for a few weeks. Everybody's had ample time to examine this as they see fit.

I got some questions if they'd like to come up.

I'm Aaron Storm, project manager for KLJ Engineering. Is it on?

No.

Now is it on?

Not yet.

Speaker's not on.

Okay, Paul, questions. What for the $56,000, what are we doing?

That would be the consulting time to put the plan and specs together for upgraded system. We're still, you know, undecided on how big and how, you know, we put some preliminary research together, but we haven't started any capacity of design work. So, We're still deciding whether we go with 100-volet AM jet A, which may be the better idea, two fuel types, and then get the user of the jet A on the field, potentially bringing him under the same location, but if it's decided that we which is needed because they're running through the 2000 gallon tank very often with all the flight school operations that are going on this year and starting the last couple of years. Your flight school hasn't been there that many years, but every year they,

Yeah, I guess for $56,000, I mean, you told me what you're going to do, but how are they coming up spending $56,000 on a study?

Well, that's the time putting it in AutoCAD, drawing it, pulling the specs together. They've got to follow the right install methods and specs. And it's all, we're planning a new, I don't know what the date is of the old system, but drawing review you know and then you know review time with fa and city folks so that's all and there's a scope that goes along with this that's been looked at you brought this to us two months ago whenever it was correct then you had a picture of how it uses you had looked Well, we've been just idle. We haven't started anything since.

What did you bring to us two months ago?

The same design agreement.

That was for $100,000 or $200,000 or whatever.

Yeah, this is for phase one.

Now you're breaking it apart?

Yeah, because that's what the EFA will only do because we didn't get enough There's not enough time to, there was environmental clearance that had to be reviewed. There's not enough time this year to go through design and getting a tank installed. It won't get done this year if we start and try to bid it by September or whatever. If we tried to get things drawn, spec book put together, tried to get it out for a bidding phase, there wouldn't be and the FA doesn't want to go through that schedule. They're the ones that kind of review what we're doing as consultants. And they've said it's off for this year. So it's just a design package to step into the project to get the design part. But yeah, before I was trying to package it, design and construction. And then you have grant money that comes every year and you can keep compiling some grant money to get through the construction phase.

Okay.

Basically is the, this part of it is, is we're talking about 1475 is what the city shared this with that 56. So that's kind of what the portion of it is. I mean, we're only paying two and a half percent of that.

Bruce, that's not totally true.

It's it's two and a half percent is what we're at. It's like 1475 right now.

Yes. But anyway, there's two, there's two things I want to, I want to talk. I want you to explain, to explain because I've talked to quite a few people and there's quite a few people that are listening tonight. Number one, you bought 1500 gallons now you bought fuel on may 20th and you brought 1800 gallons so 1500 gallons lasted you a month and a half so if you take that you're using roughly a thousand gallons a month

forward to what we're doing. You're mentioning 1,000 gallons a month. We're going to a busy time. When I talked to earlier what Joey, Dakota Aviation, said their needs were this year, they figure they're going to use about 16,000 gallons this year. Just for them. That's not anybody else. So our usage is going up exponentially. He's bringing in, he's got two aircraft. He's got a twin that's going to be on board soon. is kind of that's old man we're going forward you know in in the future and it's not going to get any less right now i don't know what the current usage is but i know based on what we're doing right now it's a thousand gallons a month but this is now when it goes into this heavy time of the year we're about to enter the heavy iron we're not there yet typically that's just a typical year you know so july would probably be so this year i have to

where he's up to along because he has a huge amount that goes into it's only 2 000 gallon tank so so kind of tonight hold on do you think you get fuel and then he's not the only operator as you grow um you could get you could capitalize on transient travel and so other other plate schools that come through

passengers so right now we're kind of situation is is it's kind of as we've talked with extensively on it i think we kind of need to move forward and get this done so we can go on the next phase of this and um can you answer paul's question though how quick can you get fuel you know that's the problem is sometimes you can't get fuel immediately

What do you call immediately?

I don't do that.

The longest time you'd have to wait is two days. If you're going through 1,000 gallons a month.

So if you've got two days, you're going to have to wait for fuel if you've got people who want to fly today. Why do you have to be out before you call? That can be an issue, and sometimes it will. Flight is not just on a regular schedule. you can have a situation where you can not be flying for days because of weather. And in a week's time, you can blow through a lot of fuel very quickly. And at that point, you've got students that haven't been able to fly and now they want to fly right now. And so you can go through that 2,000 gallons and not

constantly checking the gauge and tracking. Why? That's his job.

That is his job. That's what we pay him for.

But that's, I mean, he does satisfy his job with the maintenance part of the airplane too. That's not the only part. It's just not how, I mean, it's not a very convenient or good operation to

maybe running out so often so that's my opinion you can have a different opinion but that's I feel like it's needed okay if you're so upset again I thought about it and I I I'll make this a motion if you're so set that you need I'll make a motion that we do this but of this $1,500, this one, and then the next one we got to talk about is another $1,500. And we have 14 hangers out there, 14 people out there, correct?

I guess I'm not sure the exact number of it.

So I'll make a motion that we surcharge each hanger 200 bucks to cover the $3,000. I had a meeting with the person that is involved with the T airport, and they're surcharging them, and they're happy to pay it. And the other part of this thing that we're sold that we need it, and what you failed to tell the people that are listening is the grant is not free. The grant has got to be paid back 100% if this airport closes. And I've had a talk with you guys. The average age of the people that are out at the airport are 54 years old. We don't know that this airport is going to continue on. If it doesn't, this hundred and some odd thousand dollars that you want tonight, plus the $8 to $9 million that we already have in it,

you're asking the city to come up with eight to nine million dollars if this airport closes correct i think when you talk about surcharges or first right so i think as a body city and airport that can keep on being discussed whether or not you charge more you know that's that's just separate from a project from a practical standpoint so understand this is the grant that's before starting the project, but surcharges can be adopted at any stage and they don't have to be.

We have a surcharge on our water because we had to fix something. You're asking to get a grant, but you're asking us to pay for it. I don't see the difference of surcharging the people that are benefiting from this grant. I looked and I heard that your tank was a 1991 tank. To buy a new 2,000 gallon tank, if you're worried about it rusting or whatever you're worried about, your cost for a new tank is $3,650. I got it in price for you today. A pump similar to that you got on there is about a $1,500 pump. So roughly... I can put brand new what you have out there for $5,000. I didn't grow up spending $100,000 to do what you want. April 5th, you paid, because I checked for you, you paid $4.35 a gallon. You got fuel on the 20th and you paid $5.44 a gallon. Let's say this tank would have came in and now you would have had to fill up. You had to bring in 10,000 because you're so adamant that you're going to save so much money. You would have paid 544 and you might have saved 15 to 20 cents buying a semi-load. You know what that cost is today? More than 50 cents less.

You're right, Paul. But we wouldn't have to buy that much. We can only buy what we need.

And if we come into a situ Then why are we spending we ain't going to a tank a semi low because if in gas was low, we can do th times when the gas will

When it's high, we don't. When it's low, we do. That's the advantage of anything. It's any different than a farmer or someone that in the beginning of the year, they contract for their fuel oil or their propane going forward.

All right.

So we can do the same thing, but that gives us the opportunity to do that.

You don't need a bigger tank to do that.

which one of the things that we are actively doing right now in fact they just didn't want to play our hand I guess and how we do that but you just recently got some other airports on different things and revenue generating things that we talked about a little bit with Sarah when she visited us

and doing that yeah you don't want to stifle growth by doing the wrong thing too aggressively but that's just part of the discussions that will continue to happen any other concerns i think these discussions are important to have because

it seems as though we haven't brought up any of the airport talk for 25 years maybe even longer it's just right the feds are paying for it go for it the feds are paying for it go for it okay hold on we're still on the ball we're still on the hook for some of this i've never used the airport so i want to make sure that those that are using the airport

are paying their way and actually that's a great observation because the money that is coming from the federal government are airport user fees it is actually not coming out of the general budget it is the grant that it's been a long

your planning and alp like alp stands for airport layout plan we're already working on that and some of those recommendations that you're that you're all wanting there will be a report that i think a lot of us are in the dark a lot of us are in the dark about the airport and i'm having folks reach out to me saying i i want to see the minutes i want to see who's even on the board just like he said the tank was from the 90s the last alp was done project and things are progressing. Talk about potential growth and what's the right

Let's move forward now. Paul made a motion. It's on the table.

That's been 17 minutes. Can you help me out and recite that?

Paul's motion was to approve the grant with a $200 contingent on a $200 surcharge per hangar.

Equivalent to roughly three grand.

$2,800 issue.

Second. Any discussion on this from anybody else? No? We have a motion and a second. You want to call roll?

Commissioners York? Aye. Carlson?

Nay.

Garbers? Aye. Peterson? Nay. Mayor Lundstrom?

Nay.

Motion fails.

Anybody else want to make a motion on this?

for business A, I'll make a motion to approve as it is with the condition that you guys do continue to talk about ways that the airport can be self-sustaining and pay for these fees yourselves.

Yes. Okay. And motion, is there a second?

Second.

Any questions or discussion on this?

Commissioner Scarlson? Aye. Garbers?

No.

Peterson? Aye. York? No. Mayor Lundstrom? Aye. Motion passes.

Okay, the next one, let's move on to this. Airport KLJ Design submitted the design task agreement. Total was 59,000. We will receive a federal grant funding the FAA and state contribution that will make the city portion $1,475. The agreement for professional services and scope of services are attached. And that is on the website if you want to go look at that. And a motion is needed to approve KLJ's fuel system design and authorize me to sign it. Questions on this?

For the people that are listening that never got answered when we have two or three people standing there, the grant, so $59,000 is hanging out there for 20 years that if some reason that airport would close, the city is on the hook to pay that $59,000 back. So to be clear, This is not only costing the city $1,475. And as of total right now, we're looking at about eight to nine million dollars, million dollars, if that airport were closed, that somehow this city has to come up with eight to nine million dollars. And I'd like for anybody to call me, text me, email me, how you think we're gonna come up with eight to nine million dollars to pay this thing back. And I kid you not, they came up with the average age of a hangar, new owners of the hangars, are 54 years old. And if you happen to drive through Sioux Falls and see all these apartments, it's because this younger generation don't want to own anything. So I think it's time for somebody to start thinking that we want to fix infrastructure so we don't have a hole in the pipe every other week. Yesterday, not yesterday, Monday, whatever, Saturday, I get a call that a kid wiped out on a scooter on 2nd and Milwaukee. And we had a pile of gravel there, and we better get it cleaned up. I drove to 2nd and Milwaukee. It's where we had a water leak. And we haven't retarded yet. People, we need money to run this town. And when we start spending money foolishly, we are gonna come up short. I brought it up to the airport board. If you drive out to the airport, we have two semis and two 560 gallon tanks. Now I've been in the business long enough to where I get audited or whatever you want to say, and it's a big deal. We have two semis out there right now that are not placard. If we would have a fire out there, the fire department has no idea what's in them because it's not legally placard. There's two 560-gallon tanks that are not placard. I cannot see the 2,000-gallon tank that we're using and see if that's even placard. So instead of keep spending money, I think maybe we should take a step back and fix what we already have.

I guess I'd like to know what the difference is between A and B. They're both design grants.

A is the grant agreement with the FAA, and B is the agreement with KLJ to design for the grant.

So it's the agreement that's within A? Like it's not two separate charges?

Yeah, it's two significant charges. the same pool of money yeah it's not it's not two separate $1,500 charges to separate it's just the grant to pay for so it's just one it's just $1,400 75 charge yeah it just happens to be that they pay you back for the percentage and then and then no answer your question

it's not worded well because it looks to me like it's supposed to say that this is not a separate charge this is part of a right it's just a different agreement within yeah it's the same one thousand four hundred seventy five dollars yeah so so how the how the uh every project that you've done If you're on your agreement for the same $1,475, it's already been approved in A. That's correct. Not a second $1,475. That is correct. Thanks for clarifying.

The answer to clarify your question. We got one at $59,000, right?

your bank is only.

That's what it is. I'm asking the same question he is. Why does one say $56,050 and one says $59,000?

The $56,000. That's the percentage. Right. The $56,000 is what the FAA is going to reimburse us for this project. $59,000 study. Right. For the $59,000 study. And then the state will do 2.5%. and the other two and a half percent so in total the project is 59 000 but the faa grant is only the 56. right yeah and then the data is also there two and a half percent in the state yeah yeah okay right

So it's a second agreement within the same project, same pool of money, not a separate agreement, not separate money. It's the same thing.

Yeah, that is correct. Okay. Yeah.

I make a motion to approve the signature on that document as it goes with A for the same amount. There's not an extra charge for that.

Second. Thank you for asking that question.

Yes, that's what I said too. Thank you for asking that question.

Although we've probably passed a bazillion prior to this without knowing how that works.

You're correct. Because it's not clear. Right.

It's cumbersome. I'm a contract reader, so to me it seemed like that's what it was supposed to be, but it just was not worded well.

Okay. We have a motion and a second. Is there any other questions here or discussion? If not, you want to call roll?

Commissioners Garbers? No. Peterson? Aye. York? No. Carlson? Aye. Mayor Lundstrom? Aye. Motion passes.

Okay, next is the operating agreement for the wheel. No action was taken on this item on the 18th meeting as a surety bond from the wheel had not been received. The wheel has submitted their operating agreement for the liquor license, signing under protest. Also, their agreement had a slight verbiage change from the operating agreement for liquor and wine licenses that were approved previously. So we require a motion to approve and me to sign the operating agreement, I'm assuming.

And I understand that they have paid their surety bond.

They have paid their surety bond.

So they have followed all of the requirements for the operating agreement. So I would make a motion to approve their operating agreement.

Second. We have a motion in two seconds. Any questions?

If not, you want to call roll? Commissioners Peterson? Aye. York? Aye. Carlson?

Aye.

Garbers? Aye. Mayor Lundstrom?

Aye. Okay. Planning and zoning commission appointments. This was a little convoluted. Oh, the annexation, nevermind. Yes. The city, we received a petition from the annex to annex the Lincoln County courthouse addition motion and it's needed to approve the resolution to annex this property and authorize me to sign it. And this is just a resolution to go forward.

Yes. And then the courthouse will once again be in the county seat.

I'll make a motion.

Thank you. That's all we need for at this point.

Motion to have a second.

Oh, we need a second too?

Yeah, it's just the ordinance is our first reading is only one. Yeah, this is one and done resolution.

Okay. Thank you.

We'll call roll. Commissioners Carlson.

Aye.

Garbers. Aye. Peterson. Aye. York. Aye. Mayor Lundstrom.

Aye. Now as the Planning and Zoning Commission appointments. The Planning and Zoning Commission had two positions open. So an ad was run in the April 9th, May 7th, and May 14th editions of the Sioux Valley News. It was also posted on the city website and Facebook. Three letters of interest were received for the planning and zoning commission met on May 26th and feel that all three applicants are well qualified. So their recommendation to the city commission is that the membership portion of the planning and zoning commission ordinance be updated to allow for all three interested people to be appointed. A hearing, first reading and second reading will be needed for updating the ordinance. And a motion is needed to move forward with the proposed change.

then how many would that make total?

Eight? What I suggested. Let's just say I would stay on it if all seven of them, there's seven of them, whoever asked that question, there would be seven of them. If all seven of them show up, I'm a non-voting person. If there's a person missing, I could sit in for that meeting. I would still, as my obligations of being a planning, zoning spokesperson, I still would go to the meetings. repeating, I would not vote if all seven of them won't be there. So the commissioner next year, if I'm not on it or whatever, it would carry on. They go, they listen, they only get to vote if there's somebody else missing. Because you don't want to have eight people so you could have a time.

So what we're looking to do is to update, not really appoint anybody tonight, but update

right so if you approve we'll we'll be back with a full ordinance update for a couple of hearings i was just wondering if there was anything on statute providing for how that commission planning and zoning commission should be created and run i think the the happening uh i guess i'm not necessarily sure what the commissioner form of government but i don't think it's normally a requirement to have a

commissioner alderman or whatever on the planning and billing board i think that was just a local option we just added that last year we hadn't had somebody from the commission on the planning yeah we had jerry shot had been for years okay but didn't vote he sat in again kind of sat in kind of what you're proposing now yeah it looks like it's chapter 11-4 and i don't see anything that says there has to be a minimum number or a number

of commissioners on the board.

You want to come forward?

Yes. I can tell you that other commission forms of government, specifically the ones that I'm familiar with at the county level, but what they do or how they do that is, yes, they have an elected commissioner sit on that, but they only vote in the event of a tie. So I think that is a better course of following Robert's rule of orders action than what you're proposing. Just my opinion on my experience of attending lots of different kinds of meetings.

Because it could be three people missing. It could be five people, but you could be looking, you have a quorum.

You have to have a quorum.

Right. So one might not be enough. Right.

How do you know these things aren't in there?

You know, it's like our town was created eight years ago.

So what do we want to do about this? You want to talk about it some more? More options? The P and Z is the one that recommended this option.

Planning and zoning recommended this option. They talked to her quite a bit. This is really where they wanted to go. They really wanted to be able to see all three applicants.

I guess I don't see the issue other than, yeah, we have a tie.

Well, there'll still be seven people and an eighth in case somebody's not there, correct? So there would not be a tie if seven people were there.

Well, there's I don't think we want to table this because we're trying to get these.

Yeah, they tried to get it going.

We got a lot going on, so.

I don't think I have an issue with it.

Okay.

Make a motion that the commissioner only votes in the case of a tie.

Right. Yep. And you also have to do an ordinance change, I believe. Yep. Yes.

That's where we're proposing is to change the ordinance. So get that down. Christian made motion. Is there a second?

I'll second.

Commissioners Garbers? Aye. Peterson? Aye. York? Aye. Carlson?

Aye.

Mayor Lundstrom?

Aye. Next, the city advertised for sealed bids for the scoreboard from the West Ballpark that was surplused at the April 20th meeting. One bid was received and it was opened on May 22nd. It is recommended to award the bid to Thad and Megan Meister. The bid was $229 in a motion and second is required to award the bid. Motion. Okay.

Second.

The motion is second. I'll call roll.

Commissioner Peterson. Aye. York. Aye. Carlson.

Aye.

Garbers. Aye. Mayor Lundstrom.

Aye. Next is the issue of mosquito control. City of Sioux Falls has submitted a contract for the 2026 seasonal mosquito control. The City of Sioux Falls Vector Control Program counts the mosquitoes from our traps. The count signifies when the City of Canton will spray to control the mosquitoes. Our program focuses on the control of West Nile and not comfort for mosquitoes. The city attorney has reviewed the contract and a motion and a second is required to authorize this contract. Any questions? We need to approve the contract with the city of Sioux Falls.

where we're spraying before ourselves.

We've had the same program for years.

We take our mosquito traps up to Sioux Falls. They hand count every mosquito in there to identify which species they are. And if we're an elevated number of the species that actually carry West Nile, then we spray. We can have really high levels, but if that particular species isn't

So, someone want to make a motion? I'll make a motion to approve. Do we have a second?

I'll second.

Okay. Do we have a couple?

Commissioners York, Carlson, Garbers, Peterson, Mayor Lundstrom.

Mayor Lundstrom.

Okay, that ends everything that was on the agenda. We'll have to have a commission of dialogue. Chris, do you got anything you want to say?

No.

Okay. Sarah? Two things. The Canton Depot Days 5K is June 27th, so sign up. You can walk, run, or jog or however you want. And all the funds raised goes to a good cause. So bring your friends. Goes to what? Goes to a good cause. Yeah, it does. So bring your friends and sign up. And then is this where I should talk about?

Yeah.

Okay. So i have found that other cities with the commission reform of government have code of ethics within their ordinance under for the commissioners um and it's just allowing the commission to be held to a standard of ethics um it's just something that's probably required in this day and age to have, and it allows the commission members to hold the other commission members accountable for things that may occur. And so under the commission form of government, don't have any way to remove a commissioner whether they are violating a law or doing something unholy um so what we can do is we can pass a code of ethics which allows us to censure a commission a fellow commissioner if something were to happen um so at least there's some sort of way to hold someone accountable for actions that are being done as a commissioner of the city. So most of the other commission forms of government have passed this. And so I have come up with some ideas. I passed them on to city hall. I suppose probably have the other commissioners review them before we bring it forth as an ordinance. But I think it's a really good idea to have just in the world that we live in, it's probably a good idea.

Excellent idea.

If anybody has any ideas for anything that they'd want added to the public or otherwise, contact Commissioner Carlson or myself and we can get them added to our working draft.

Okay. Doug, do you have anything? I don't think so. Well, I had something that my dirty little brain forgot it. We don't have anything at this point. Oh, where are we sitting? Have we worked on dates yet for the cleanup?

Yeah, I haven't heard anything.

We tried to work with ALK and Novak to see if their trucks would follow us around as we pick up curb to curb. And they both weren't even available for hire, which is a little frustrating. So we'll have to go back to using the side dump haulers that we used last time. We are going to, apart from overall cleanup, we're doing, we're, Need to finalize it yet, so stay tuned for the. the finalized details but we're targeting the week of june 22nd through the saturday june 27th to do electronic pickup at or drop off at city hall okay we're also getting totes from they'll keep the totes in the garages at city hall and you know come in the doors at city hall and we'll take it and we'll go put it in the right tote or if you got a bunch of stuff we'll open up the garage door and then load it directly into the garage.

Will we have times when it'll be after 8 to 5?

We can certainly add an after 5. We're doing a Saturday, but certainly we can pick a weekday and go after 5 as well.

I think one of us could probably hang out and assist with that so that city staff doesn't have to do it.

Yeah, and it's not overly complicated. It's the four categories are regular tube TVs, which I don't think there's too many of those. And then this is the hauling of it away. We're going to go pick up the totes. They dispose of everything, recycle it. And even then, if we haul it back to Sioux Falls, there's no charge. So it's all because Lincoln County is part of the regional landfill. This program is through the regional landfill, so it has to become available in every community here. Just have to reach out and do it.

But we haven't picked any for regular cleanup.

Nope. We need to secure those semis and that kind of stuff.

OK. Do you have anything? Hold on. Secure what semis?

The ones that will follow behind us as we pick stuff up. That or we use our own to pick it up, and then we still need to schedule them to haul it from our rubble site to the Sioux Falls landfill. Or both. Does that make sense? were like i was really hoping for garbage trucks because the height even just in so many ways it would have been a lot smoother to throw it right into a garbage truck and have to go straight to the landfill a lot easier to load into one of the old back loading garbage trucks you know a side dump even if it's tilted a little bit that's a lot higher to throw it up and get it into but isn't there like a vans rubbish or something like that or

I feel like I saw another garbage company that was like a mom-pop garbage company.

Right. Have we reached out to some smaller outfits? We didn't. We limited ourselves to the people who were contracting.

Not that others aren't interested. These are just the two that have been approved over the years.

I don't know if others.

Do we limit it to two? No. I think Hermes is another one.

Yeah, yeah. Every year when we get the licensing, we only get two applications. I think there's three now.

That's right, my bad. So we can try a couple more yet, I guess.

I guess I just don't want to see it become a 4th of July celebration. I don't want to even come close to that. We've got stuff sitting on the curb and we're trying to have a 250th celebration.

Yeah, we're not going to overlap with the 4th no matter what. It's coming. The other thing is Habitat. They've agreed to come down and they'll always set up and do a spot where you bring stuff to them, but they've tentatively agreed to go around curb to curb as well and help thin the pile out and take things that they find of good use. So that could lighten our load and also put things just to good use.

that's going to require communication and that sort of thing.

Yeah.

What's that?

What kind of stuff do they keep?

I can't tell you right off the bat. Does it look like furniture stuff? Furniture, raw lumber, cabinets, yeah.

Paint, that's still good.

Yeah, paint. Anything to build it or furnish it with. It's a whole list, and we would put that out.

Floor and tip.

Because to the extent that we can get people to, we would hope that they would somewhat separate that stuff on their curb.

Is there a limit on electronics? Because I know when you bring it there, you limit it to so many.

Not here, no.

Part of their limit, I don't know if I've ever had them limit you for the number of items you can bring, but they might limit you to five TVs a year.

But if we have this here, we're not taking names.

Right. What we are supposed to try to limit it to is owner-occupied stuff. Oh, yeah, don't take like a motel's 30 TVs that they got rid of. Right, or even apartment buildings, leftover stuff, and definitely not a commercial business.

Sure, or big servers that are... I think we're good. I think we're good.

Okay, do we...

Yes, we are.

Okay. So I think everything's covered under commissioner dialogue. I'm going to ask for an executive session, South Dakota codified law 9-34-19 for economic development. So I need a motion to go into effect.

Motion.

Second? Second.

Commissioners, Carlson. Aye. Garvers. Aye. Peterson. Aye. York. Aye.