Planning Board - Regular Meeting

So I believe we are, the Zoom meeting is there. It says we are. Yeah, there it is. I don't want to close out a Zoom meeting.

No, you closed the browser.

Okay, I did that. All right, I think we're good. There you go.

Is everyone present online?

Yeah, Christine is online. And she's currently just listening. We'll call the meeting to order 605.

Okay.

So you should have all the agenda for that meeting that's on July 30th there.

Make a motion to move to accept the minutes.

All in favor?

I'm not online. Have you checked the... I'm filming that. I thought you were on there. You want to come back to the permit log?

I just got it up.

Okay.

There's one new one for rooftop solar. Oh, man. Staple cell. It's the name of the company.

I think that was approved last year. I think we discussed, we'd seen that for Shane and Katie Gallant. Maybe somebody else. Okay, good to know.

That was at 37 Staples Hill. Okay, that's 21. So that's the only DJ.

Shouldn't be any hassle with that.

Those top two bullets in the old business are just reminders. We know the solar ordinance has been sent to the yield. So we got that. I copied that from Josh. Some of this, because this agenda went out earlier before some of these things happened. So we know the cemetery planning board and sewer ordinances have gone to liaison. We will turn sometimes on to the select board. And we all have time emails now. Yay. Oh, we do. Yes. I haven't done it yet, but do you have, I can stick up. So Lynn and I are using ours.

Good.

And Robin. I'm like partial. I think it's set up.

I can't get notifications, but if I go into the communicator thing, I don't know. Somehow I weave my way through it and I find the emails.

Well, do you have a, do you use it on a laptop or tablet or smartphone? If you want to, we can take a look at it later and see if we can get you set up with everything.

Yeah.

Yes. Should I stay there?

Cool. I shouldn't do this stuff to non-kept Saudi people.

So file cleanup is ongoing. Do you think one more week we might be done?

Yeah, last drawer. I don't know what's in it. I haven't looked at it.

Oh, so we have one more drawer.

One more drawer. Yeah, OK. Cool.

So before we come back to cluster housing and housing and minimum lot size agreements, because those are the ones that are most affected by the new state laws on housing. So we have both of those printed out to talk through tonight. But perhaps before we get to that, do we want to do the rest of the... Do we want to talk comp plan?

Yeah, we can touch on it. So are we going forward with the postcards? Mail help?

Oh, yeah. Since this was a public record, we got our grant. Yay?

Yeah. Yeah, I saw that.

That's exciting. One more. We do have, I don't think anybody on the board here has had a chance to, in the past, when we need to access money, we either produce an invoice or a bill or some justification for it, or you purchase it and get reimbursed. Either way. And usually it goes through you as the chairman to kind of approve those.

Okay.

Just FYI. And then it goes to the town office and the town office always calls back and says, did you approve this?

So do I have to give the – what it would cost to get the postcards printed and mailed?

Right. So once we get that cost, we'll put together a brief sheet for that.

Okay.

You would sign off on that. We'd send it to the current office, and then they would either – either somebody spends the money up front and gets reimbursed or – We'll manage just the grant. I believe the select board mentioned that Kathy would be doing that, but we have to talk to Kathy about that and double-check.

Mm-hmm. So do we have the number of postcards that we need for population of Canton?

We do. Josh got us how many criers they send out to individual homes. I forget that exact number. And I know you sent out the dimensions. So I think once we design that postcard, we can just double check with the post office and have a cost.

So the calendar I sent you all a test about in your new email address. The way this calendar gets set up, we would have four different links generated, basically. And that's not great for trying to put on a postcard. So I think what I'd like to do is there is, yeah, there's a news page. There's a news section. on our Canton webpage. So we'll, I'll create the four different links. And you said you were going to do some wordsmithing on what we want to put. Could you send that to me? Because I'll put that all in the description of the links that I create. So once I create the four links, I'll create a document that has all the four links and the QR codes on them. We'll have Kathy post it on the town website. And then when she posts that, we'll create a QR code for that. So that's the one we'll send out on the postcards and that we'll post in the town office and put on social media and whatever. And then when people click on it or take a picture of it, depending if they're getting a link or a QR code, it'll take them to our document.

Okay.

that'll have all of the, here's what this session is about. Click on this link to vote. Here's what this session is about. Click on this link to vote. That way we can just have the one link that we can send out That'll link to a document that'll have all of the information. Okay. That sounds okay to everybody. Yep.

And we call it not, not call it voting because then it sounds like some decisions being made, but let me say, click on this link to tell us what they don't mean.

And then we'll get that going and I'll start. What I'll do is I'll start a document. It'll be in the same format as our comp plan that we can put all that information on. Right. So then it'll kind of look, everything will look and feel the same as our compliant document.

Because our first potential dates are coming up. They are. They are.

So we've got to get these out.

Yeah.

So I can have that done. It's in September, isn't it? Yeah. Tonight. Okay.

All right.

I'll get it. You'll have it by tomorrow morning. So... Get the patent email, right? So I'll just, what I'll do is... If you could send me whatever word, Smith, you'd like for a description, because you said you worked on that. Send that to me tonight, because then I'll be able to create the links, because you have to create a title for the meeting, a description of the meeting, so I want to put all that in, and then put the voting options, or the selection options that I would prefer options. Right. We're not voting. We're just preferring. Right.

preferring to vote yeah and I mean can people choose both dates right if they can attend either date they should be able to click on both dates right I just think if you tell people that I didn't try that did I try it I tried clicking I couldn't make anything but usually on those types of things you can like click on one date and that's it I'll try it you can keep going okay I did spend a little bit of time in the comp plan. I'll have some more time coming up this week. Doesn't sound like it. Well, not this weekend, but next week.

Busy lady.

Are there any other business agenda items to add to this list?

I am able to choose both. Okay. Dates. Cool. Okay. But that's something we'll make clear in the description. Yeah.

All right. I'll give you that tonight. I've got a big star on my notes.

Basically means they have no preference. Doesn't matter. I'll just pick both, whatever. Okay.

So last week, Robin handed out some of the presentation notes from the housing opportunity training program that she and Luke Don took, so thank you guys for going through that. That was great. And I thought this was pretty, pretty good summary. Yeah. Right. The PowerPoint. Um, so it kind of says, Hey, you know, there was original work in 2003 or 2003, and then there's 23 sections of it. Um, but by January of 2026, they want you to start complying like, okay, well it's eight months in. Yeah. Let's do it. I think that one of the key takeaways was looking at towns have to be able to permit at least one accessory dwelling unit on any lot where a single family home is the principal structure in areas where residential uses are allowed. So we have no zoning. So we don't have commercial zones and residential zones. So basically anywhere there is a single family home or a lot, we have to allow accessory dwelling units by law. Minimum state law sets the minimum floor area of an accessory dwelling unit at 190 square feet. So that's like 45 by 45. That's tiny. A little bit more than 45 by 45. That's like a tiny house. A big cabin. Yeah. That's the minimum accessory dwelling you can have. People who are owners of that have to provide written verification that the unit connects to adequate water and waste systems before occupancy. And it can be built inside a main home. It could be in an attic or a basement. It could be attached or detached. So it doesn't have to be just like an in-law suite at the back of your house. It could be a tiny home off to the side. It could be over the garage.

You said 190 square feet?

That's the minimum.

Yeah. Yeah. That's 10 by 20. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's a shed. That's tiny. Yeah. 10 by 20 is 200.

If you see, yeah. So if you've seen the, I think in like some of these Japanese apartments and stuff that are in some of the tiny homes, that's as big as they are, but they can pack a lot of interesting stuff in there if you build it right. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah.

So in our ordinances that are probably going to be affected by this are two of them, which you had in front of you. The housing and minimum lot size ordinance and cluster housing. Now, cluster housing, we had already done a lot of revisions to that. And the direction at last week's meeting was, Diane, bring us the cleaned up version of that so we can decide whether to move it ahead. As I was reading through it this week, I'm like, oh, we should perhaps discuss it in depth. the housing laws. If you look at the PowerPoint that Robin brought last week, which was from their training, there's a couple of things that we'd probably do a little bit more looking into, or maybe you know about this from your training. This rate of growth ordinance. I don't think that applies to us at all, but I don't think so either. Okay. But I wasn't a hundred percent sure what that was. I thought that was for highly dense coastal towns or places where they don't, they had to manage the growth more tightly, but I just didn't know what that was. Rate of growth ordinance app. Whether it applied? On the page, Four of the PowerPoint that you handed out, that had a lot of good topic areas there in those bullets. Minimum lot sizes, the lot area per dwelling unit, accessory dwelling units. I don't know if we're required by law to address affordable housing. It did say board training requirements, which I'm assuming because you guys took it. Oh, that would count. That counts. I don't know. I went to maybe just looked up housing training and they did not have anything else on there. in their library of training for this. Probably should take a look at our subdivision ordinance too in light of this. Currently we do nothing with childcare facilities in the residential zones. I don't know that we'd have to add anything there, but it was on here as a bullet item. Yeah, I did think that we've had a couple of child care facilities pop up over the years. We have never approached them and said, hey, you're a commercial business. You should probably just fill out a commercial permit. But that's perhaps a separate conversation. So we don't have anything in our current housing amendment monetize ordinance that addresses multifamily housing. So we have nothing anywhere in any of our rooms that address duplexes or some of these old houses that you trap up into apartments inside. We don't have any of those addressed anywhere.

Multifamily.

Well, I'm looking at page five of your handout you brought in. So this is saying that, in summary, the law now allows or requires you to allow three units per lot in a residential area, four units per lot, including an ADU, in a designated growth area or an area served by water and sewer. And here it also said, planning board review is not permitted for four or fewer dwelling units within a structure and or an ADU. So I guess if somebody's taking, say, an old Victorian home and breaking it up into four apartments.

We're not able to say anything about it. That's right. If it's less than four.

No planning board review. And I'm assuming the code enforcement officer would still have to do a basic review of sewer requirements, make sure there's enough septic and whatever. But that has nothing to do with it. According to this, that would have nothing to do with us. So looking at your documented page, this is must be page six. So our minimum lot size right now, if you look at the Housing and Minimum Lot Size Ordinance, is 40,000 square feet. How much does that mean? 30? If you're on water and sewer, I think you can go 30. Minimum lot size sewer, okay. Right, so if you're on your own well and septic, it's 40,000 square feet. If you're on municipal water and sewer, or sewer, either one, you can go down to 30,000 square feet. Our cluster housing... ordinance was talking about being able to go to 20,000 square feet because you're offsetting this denser housing with open space elsewhere on the law. I think what some of these new laws are trying to say is, hey, you can go denser and you don't have to offset with open space.

Right. Like if you already have

some in cluster housing does the new ordinance say that you have to allow the in the accessory units as well well if you look at this page six here it says limits to minimum lot size requirements now if you're in a growth area that is served by water and sewer you can be less than or equal to 5 000 square feet lot size yeah so that is what that's saying yeah yeah yeah So you could build potentially a neighborhood out of all those little tiny homes.

Oh, easily. Yeah.

If you wanted to.

And there's nothing anybody could say about it.

Right. If the growth area without water and sewer is still 20,000 square feet. So that's what we have already in our cluster housing. If you're a non-growth area, you have to be less than 10,000 square feet. a non-growth area without water and sewer is based on the septic laws. So this is what we were talking about the very first session of the comp plan stuff is coming up in September needs to be conversation around what is a designated growth area, right? And so as a town, can we look at those maps and look at all the variables on those maps and say, we think we want to promote growth in these three areas around town or wherever the answer is, right? I don't know what the answer is. But once that designated area, something is designated as a growth area, it would then fall under these new laws. Right.

Yeah. So. I would imagine wherever town water and sewer is would be designated a growth area because they have to be increased anyways.

Maybe.

I mean, you don't have to have the same sessions.

Right. Right. Or do you need to extend water and sewer? Because we know where it stops now and right at the edges of a number of spots is where you could potentially extend it to them. But within the current water sewer piping, I don't think there's a lot of growth areas that you can designate. But we'll look at that on the maps. Maybe our next meeting, we can talk about that piece of prepping that for that first book session. So I don't know that we have currently any limits in our ordinance around lot area per dwelling unit. Because the ordinance assumes one dwelling unit per lot. And if you have more than one, you're a subdivision. Then you fall into the subdivision ordinance. This training that you guys brought back was saying, if you're a growth area that's served by water and sewer, you can go as low as 1,250 square feet. So that's 30 by 40, roughly, for the first four units. And I don't know what goes beyond four units. And we have nothing in any of our rooms to talk about apartment buildings at all. So I just feel like this is, while the comp plan is kind of up and floating and all these pieces are moving while the laws are changing, this is really a good time to take until the comp plan is done to decide all these things. But these are the facets of that thing. So if you're in a non-growth area that has water and sewer, 10,000 square feet were the first two units in a single structure. So that's a big place. That's big.

Are you thinking we need to add a section about 80 years within these documents?

Yes. And I think we either have to modify the or explain the minimum lot size requirements and say, you know, this is for a single family home in this kind of area. This is our minimum lot size, right? If you want to add ADUs, it's this. If you use it in water and sewer, it's this, right? So I think we have to put that all out there and make sure that it talks about growth areas as designated by the comprehensive plan. Because right now we don't have any of that thought. So on their next page here, it talks about some of the other requirements, right? You don't have to have fire suppression units required to be used unless they're attached to greater than two units. OK, so if it's a single family ADU or a single path to the other one. If you put it in law suite, you don't have to put in a fire sprinkler system in that sort of thing. If it's not attached? ADUs may share a wall with multifamily fully residential structures. Okay. It says, so you do not have to have fire if it's attached, unless attached to more than two units or in a mixed-use building.

Okay, so no. If it's attached to a residential single-family home, then no.

Correct. You don't have to put it in a special system, which I know a lot of people are building apartments over their garages. Yes. And you don't have to put in a fire suppression system, a sprinkler system in there for that. Yeah. Fire extinguisher in the corner will suffice. So I think we should perhaps take a look at our ordinances at some point in the next two months. I don't know if we have to do that right this second. And figure out where these elements need to fit in. You mean the subdivision, the housing, and the cluster housing? Yeah, housing minimum lot size, cluster housing. We should probably sit with the subdivision right in front of us and do the same, all three of them. And you guys all have access to it in that drive. So if you want to print it out yourself, the last one, the subdivision one is to take a look at that. Great. And then I had questions. One ADU is exempted from density requirements for a lot. I'm like, I don't get that. I did this maybe for towns that have a tighter density requirement than we have. They're saying it's exempt. You can add one for a lot. Even if your current town, some towns have an ordinance already that says you can't have housing closer than a couple of blocks. And they're saying one ADU is exempted per lot automatically. Yeah, that makes sense. Which we don't have that. You can't put a residency requirement that says it has to be a full-time resident. So people could put them in for traveling nurses who may come in a week at a time and not be there another week. So they're saying you cannot put a residency requirement on an ADU.

No, right. That's right.

We don't have any exempt areas. We have coastal barrier systems. We might have special flood hazard area. We do have that. We don't have coastal sand dunes.

All right.

So the next page talks about areas where there's some of these housing density requirements also have a lot of parking problems, right? If you're downtown of a coastal town, parking is going to be an issue. So there is affordable housing bonuses. I don't know that this really applies to us. I don't think so. We need to double check our housing height limits, which the only ones I think that we really have height limits on are shoreland zoning. Right, because they didn't want people, let's say you've got a house right on the water and somebody across the road from the water, right? They don't have a house on the water to build three stories up. Now you've completely blocked the view of the house.

So that's the fourth one we need to look at.

So yeah, I think we should check that one. So which one would you send on the short line? Well, I mean, shoreline zoning has its own issues with footprint and everything else. That's a good question. How does this affect shoreline zoning? I think shoreline zoning is kind of a pure... Ordinance, I don't think we want to mess with that one.

Yeah, I think throughout this, it was like kind of all of this, except for shorthand zoning.

Yay, let's not touch one. I think it was kind of like that, right? Good. And I don't know that we have a height restriction in our other ordinances, but we definitely should take a look at that. Well, and that has come up before when somebody said to me, what if somebody wanted to build a three-story apartment building. Is that a thing to do that in the town of Canton? I think so. So right now we have nothing in our ordinances that does anything to restrict affordable housing. When we talked about this then like over a year and a half ago now about affordable housing, It was, if you look at the HUD puts out, based on the number of people in the house, what the income is that is considered affordable. And in our county, 80% of area median income is considered the affordability threshold. So that number changes if you're one person, two person, four person household, whatever. I looked at the numbers for this year and I don't have it in front of me, Last year, 80% of 80 per single person was like $46,000. So you could make $46,000 and qualify for affordable housing, which we pay our starting teachers $40,000. So I don't, I guess when we go through here, we can take a look. I don't know that we want to add anything at all about affordable housing. They want to take away affordable housing restrictions. I don't think we have any. So I don't think we need to add any. I don't think we can take anything away. But if it's going to be an issue going forward, do we want to say things like, in some ordinance, affordability is encouraged. You don't want to keep building premium stuff that nobody can afford. But maybe we just leave it at that.

Is that an ordinance statement or a comp plan statement? I think it's an ordinance.

Well, I think it's in our overall strategy as a comp plan. That's our dollars and cents session. Our dollars and cents session. So these mandatory training requirements, what did you guys learn about that? Because that's why I couldn't find anything online. Is that like once we update our ordinances and we pass them through the main MOCA housing planning review board because they have to look at them because they're giving us planning?

Well, we don't have a zoning. We don't have a municipal zoning appeals board. creates mandatory training requirements for municipal zoning appeals. We don't have zoning.

No, we have a municipal appeals board code. They're not a standing board. That's the problem.

Within 180 days of appointment.

Well, that's a good question for clarification. I would think that if the ordinances get changed to include accessory dwelling units and the new housing regulations, It might be worth holding a workshop for all municipal officers, including appeals board people, just to say, hey, here's what these updated ordinances mean, and here's how that affects your job. It doesn't have to be a big thing, but. Yeah, right.

Training should be three documents on a PowerPoint, you know. It just depends on how you do it.

So this is where our subdivision ordinance would come into play right on this next slide. Because I think right now where three or more dwelling units on a lot requires a subdivision permit. So now they're saying it's 501. So if that's the only change in our subdivision ordinance, that's a pretty easy one to do. So we have nothing zoned for commercial use. And I think, as you just mentioned, Robin, in the comp plan, in our growth areas, we want to talk about combined commercial residential areas. So what if you have a first floor row of businesses with apartments over top, right? Right now, we don't have anything that addresses either one of those. And maybe we just ignore it and let it go, right? But we should somewhere probably.

Well, it would be like Ant Variety. It has a store and it has people living upstairs.

Yeah, right. And lots of kids.

um post office yeah yeah yeah cool and what is that false we don't have anything about limiting parking that's what the next slide is about we um we don't but i know there was conversation

For example, when we put through our permit for apartments, there was a lot of concern about how many parking units you're going to have with eight apartment buildings. I said, you've got eight single-family apartments. We have 12. We're good. But you can't require more than one off-street parking space per dwelling unit within a designated growth area. I don't think parking's going to be a problem. No. No. No. I think their definition of public sewer and public water is fine. That's everything we're doing. These frequently asked questions are kind of interesting. Right. Right. So density requirements for two units are mentioned if you have public water, public sewer, not in a growth area. What about the density requirements for third and fourth unit? We don't have to stick with 10,000, but you can make it smaller if you wanted to. So I think most of the rest of this is just good background information. Right.

I was in scaffolding last week. We didn't go through this document on the training, but it also has some, I was flipping through it. It also had some really good information. I feel like it's more detailed.

Okay. I looked at that and I didn't bring that one back.

It has specific definitions out of the bill.

So definitions are often what we put in the front of an ordinance as a way of really laying the groundwork. So that might be a great place to go to get those.

Yeah.

I also sent a note to mocha the people who gave us the housing planning grant to estimate today have a list of like approved. Housing ordinance consultants and is there anybody that we could get for a reasonable amount of time to take a look at these right and give us a start. yeah or do we start, and then we send it to somebody for a quick review and i'm okay one of our requirements is that we have to send it ordinances to them for review anyway, so we may not need anybody else because they're going to review them. You mean these. Any changes we make in our ordinances to be compliant with the 2173 laws, because they gave us the grant, one of our grant requirements is that they review our ordinance as well. Which I think is great, having someone who's exporting housing as another set of eyes on our ordinances. Yeah, nice. Super. So we do need to be ready to go by town meeting next year. Even though if you were to get an extension, the deadline is 7-1-27. What needs to be... Any ordinance changes, we'll have to go to town meeting in June of next year.

Okay.

If not soon enough.

Yeah. Well, that's a June of...

Which I think we'll fit right in with our comp plan stuff.

Yep.

Things to think about when you have nothing else in your mind.

Okay.

I do like all these, how do you calculate minimum lot size requirements? I know, some of it's like, oh my God, that makes my head hurt. Oh, that's just algebra. That's the easy part. That's the fun part.

I got some nice flowcharts in here. Did this in the threat area, yes or no?

So should we include verbiage in these ordinances dealing with ADUs?

Yes. Yes. Yes. I look at it, right? Yes, sir. Housing, minimum lot size subdivision, and maybe shoreline zoning.

Yeah, I think we're not going to touch shoreline zoning if we can help it.

Cluster housing subdivision.

Subdivision too, yeah.

How's the minimum lot size?

Yeah, subdivision and . Is there any changes to a place that has commercial and residential common land dealing with ADUs?

I mean, could, for example, could Kent Variety tack a unit off the back of that building?

Well, that's what I'm asking.

Yeah.

Or does the owner have to live there? I don't know if they do or not.

No, there wasn't. There's something about residency.

I didn't know if the owner of the commercial property had to be there as well. for an ADU to be built.

Well, I think commercial is a whole different thing, right?

If it's an apartment building, if it's a... Well, I mean, if they live there and the business is there, they can add on to their part of it for an ADU.

I believe so.

Right. But not just an apartment. Right. Yeah. Okay.

So are units like the drugstore and the post office, are they called something special like you were talking about? residential commercial? Is it a special name for that?

Currently, we have no... There's no commercial zoning in our town. So we have no designation for that. We don't call it anything. It's a dwelling unit. There's a certain number of dwelling units.

Okay. So should we... But they would be grandfathered in anyway.

Yeah. At this point. I would think so. Thanks.

But... Would, like... Well, it wouldn't be a business that.

Well, you know, that housing conference I went to that I was telling you guys about, one of the things the guy said is everybody wants to put these commercial strips with like, you know, a restaurant, a coffee shop, a library, or whatever, a bookstore, blah, blah, blah, and put apartments over top of it. He goes, it never pays out. And I'm like, oh, let me pay attention to what he's saying, right? So I've got a whole handout on that because I thought that was an interesting financial analysis on- I wonder why it doesn't pay out. Because of the amount of tax revenue you get per square foot. Exactly. It doesn't work, I don't think. Any amount of investment you have to put into the building to get it started.

It would probably only work if the owner lived there. And that's their residence as well. But who wants to believe where they work full time? Good question. I bet.

I've been working at home for 20 years. Yeah, exactly.

You don't have anybody else.

Not bad. So in front of you, you have the cluster housing ordinance. Yep. And you're having housing in a size ordinance. I would say before our next meeting, can I ask everybody to read through those and think about where those go and print out for yourself the subdivision ordinance where we can get a copy printed out from the town office.

That's fine.

There's cluster housing we've already been through a few times and have made all kinds of changes to. So we were prepared to send that to the next level of review, but . So Comp Plan, our next meeting is the 20th, right? Is that correct? Our planning board. Can we maybe do one more work session? I'd like to be able to send a couple of the background chapters to the select board. Yeah, in the project chapters that we joined that are just like all the background stuff. Because none of those are strategies going forward they're all a backwards look at here's what we've had in the background history here's how many farms we have here's how many miles of roads we have you know that kind of stuff i'd like to get a few of those chapters over to the select board to take a look at um i am free for the rest of the summer after the 18th yeah the 20th i'm good but yeah i've got family coming into town for a week Okay, so do we want to put an agenda item next week, next meeting to really review those, decide which of those we think are ready to go? And we can send them around ahead of time, or I can make a note, I can tag you on the ones to go to the online document, say, I think these are ready for review, these five or four or two, whatever, are ready for review, so that by the next meeting, we can talk about them and make a decision and get those over to the select board.

Yeah.

I don't know that we need a working session per se, but work chapter is... at next meeting. Depending on how the whole document's looking at that point, we can decide if we want to send them that whole or they've got the link to the working one, right? They don't have a new one, do they?

They have the link to our folder. The folder, OK. Yeah.

All right. Probably better to get attention if we just say here's four chapters. It's several hundred pages. You want to read it, Josh?

I just, for work the other day, I received my first 200 pages. Oh, God.

you're just done by next week that's right okay so you want a working session or you want to just cover it in the next meeting we'll just send them today is if I can take a look before then let me try to send something by the 17th so we can maybe make a decision by the 20th that sounds good

And tonight you're going to send me what you've been wordsmithing. So by morning sometime you guys can check your email for the document that I generate. And then Diane can pass it over to Kathy to post on the website. And then we'll get a QR code from that. And then you'll be all set to go with postcards and

The postcard is just going to have one QR code that gets them to.

All of them will have the same QR code that takes them to the document we have Kathy post on the website. That document will have four links next to four QR codes. So people can either choose to click on a link or take a picture of the QR code. That makes sense. And I think I'll put a little tutorial, you know, in case people don't. They're confused when they get to the calendar and here's what you do. You know, put your name in.

So our first possible dates again are the 13th of September or the, was it the 16th? Yeah, I got 16. I'm sorry, I got it. 13th and 16th of September were the two, the first two ones people were choosing between, right? Yeah. The second one was the 27th and 30th. Okay, I have session one, the 13th through the 16th. Session two, the 27th or the 30th.

Session three, October 10th or October 14th. And session four, October 25th Or the 24th. I don't know where I did that backwards. Okay.

So by the end of October, we should have some really interesting direction for the conflict based on citizen involvement. Yes. That's exciting.

Very exciting about that. And we can probably get that incorporated. Yeah. To our hundreds of page document that Josh has been reading. As soon as we send it to him.

It'll be great. Is that pictures? Yeah. That's the other one. Once you're done editing, you are going to do some edits, Diane.

I want to get with some folks to get pictures of them.

Well, I said no to something. Somebody from church reached out the other night and said, can you do this thing for Saturday? I'm like, no, I cannot. And she's like, you said no. Good girl. I said, there's not enough hour in the day. I just couldn't do it. If I stayed up 24 hours, I could not do that one thing today. Done.

I wish they had a problem with that, too. But I started to say no.

So just FYI, this weekend, Saturday is Lake Days. which is the Lake Association has raffles. They're having a water slide bouncing house. They've got music, live music, a cakewalk, lunch that you can buy, information on water quality and looms and all that good stuff, invasive plants, things that everybody should know about. From 11 to 2, down here at the corner spot at the bottom of the hill. Great. Free, open to the public.

That was one thing I always thought We should have, we should hire some high school kids to sit down there on weekends at the boat launch and look for invasive plant species.

It's a great job work. There's a whole program, volunteer lake monitoring program, VLNP. We had two trained monitors, but they spent a lot of time just sitting there reading a book in a lawn chair and nobody came. I said, why don't we put a, the state will allow us to put a little camera down and we could actually track what days and times the most volume of people are there. And then you schedule your monitors on those days. It's always on the weekend. I mean, I always see the line fill up on the weekend. These guys sat there on many, many Saturdays and got nothing. I think that like, maybe it's getting more visible. People are, but that's the best way to catch them, you know?

Yeah.

People at the boat inspecting the, inspecting the boats before they launch.

The Lake Association did a water quality invasive plant survey probably six or seven years ago. We know we need to do another one. We're probably not going to get it done this summer, but we can schedule it for next summer. And there's a training and there's a whole book on, pretty easy book to look for. But we send people out with sample bags and teach them how to sample. And we send them on kayaks to different quadrants of the lake. And you collect your samples. We come back and we look at them all. And if there's anything questionable, we send it off for testing. But most of it you can look at in the book that they give you and say, that's what this is, that's what it is. There's a branch off of it. There's a whole set of criteria, and if you think it's dangerous, you send it off to this. And so far, we don't have anything. We're lucky.

We're lucky we don't have anything. They still do, but last summer they had an oil inspector that man launched the whole time in six months. state program, but I never see anybody at camp.

Well, we do have volunteer lake monitoring people. We train people to do that.

I went down to Long Pong the past weekend, and the lady was like, I'm going to butcher the name. And that's a gun to cut. And that's a gun to cut.

And that's a gun to cut, yeah. But they patrol pretty hard for that milfoil stuff.

Yeah, yeah. Michigan does good job of that.

Once it's in. Once it's there, you kids.

Yeah, you're SOL, man. You don't want that. I lived in the Midwest. There's a lot of lakes, Illinois, Wisconsin. They're just ruined.

Yes. So one thing just FYI in the future, I think we need to have that projector going so that the recording actually has any faces to it. Otherwise people can listen, but they're not going to see anybody's faces without that thing going.

You have to hit a button or something. Yeah. So maybe we can do add to the top of every agenda technology check to make sure that everything's going. And we'll have a list. So get the owl going, get the video going, get the Zoom going.

Yeah, because. Yeah, that's it. The owl will do it.

Well, I heard it go hoo-hoo. It captured the sound.

I did not turn on the video.

So what do we need to turn on? It's the owl and the Zoom? Yes. We need to make sure his eyes are lit up.

Yes.

Okay. So we should do a tech check at the top of the meeting, and then we will be all good. I was not paying attention to that.

So in the next agenda item, we're going to put a more detailed plan for the first two public Tourette's, just so we go through that together and make sure we have all the right people we need. We need other facilitators or we need other resources for those September meetings. That could be on the next agenda item.

Yes, because we're getting close.

Okay. Cool. Everybody having a good time? Yeah.

Let's see. My husband's brothers and sister are coming into town very excited.

Oh, there he is. So are we all set for now? We would like those two to adjourn. Second. All there?

Are they all about to capture us? 75. You're back, all back.