Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

Good evening and happy election day. I'd like to call to order the planning commission meeting for Tuesday, November 4th, 2025. Will the secretary please proceed with roll call? Commissioner Vandermillan, present. Commissioner Murphy, here. Commissioner Edsil here. Vice Chair Davidson

here. and Chair Lemon here. The next item on the agenda is a consent calendar which consists of our September 5th 16th um meeting minutes. Um this uh is an item that is voted on without discussion, but is there any reason a commissioner would like to pull it for discussion? Okay. Um great. Do we have a motion for approval? Motion. Second. You please call for a vote.

Commissioner Vanderm, yes. Commissioner Murphy, we're on the minutes, right? Is that what we're Okay, so abstain because I wasn't here last time. Commissioner Edel, yes. Vice Chair Davidson, yes. Chair Leone, yes. And and I'm going to go back on a critical item before we we proceed. Uh which thank you um Vice Chair Robinson for the reminder. We are going to do our pledge of allegiance. Commissioner Edel, please lead us. Thank you. Hand over your heart.

I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you.

So now we will proceed with the agenda. Um this is a time for general public comments. Um these are for any items that are not listed on today's agenda. Would anybody like to speak on a non-aggendaized item? Okay, seeing none, we will close the um public comment hearing. Um and now we will proceed to the uh public hearing. Our first we have three items on today's agenda. The first one is um the planning commission the public I'm sorry, where am I? proposed zoning ordinance amendment to the city's municipal code regarding retail offsale alcohol establishments and the CPD zone and public nuisance regulations.

Thank you, Chair Leone. This item will be presented by senior planner Paul McLaren.

Good evening, Chair Leone, Commissioners, public. Um, as stated, I'll be uh giving you a brief presentation on the ordinance update for the alcohol beverages establishments for offsale. So, these are the proposed red lines to the existing code. What this is really doing uh is it really only affects the commercial plan development zone and it kind of cleans up the code a little bit in that the definitions or the the allowed uses within the code are kind of all over the place. So, we're really kind of just condensing them down to alcoholic beverage establishments for off sale. Um, and then that removes all the other the other two items that are here, which are the um inservice stations and that sort of thing. And then what's happening here in order to address this is or in order to address what we're trying to do with the code is that we are then adding a caveat that within the CPD zone if you're within a quarter mile of a off-ramp essentially then you're not unless you're establishment is over 7,500 square ft you would not be able to have an alcohol establishment. So our analysis is we went ahead and we did a lot of research and found that there are high higher concentrations of offsale alcohol establishments tend to increase the accessibility to underage individuals which exacerbates al alcoholic um related harm and contributes to the greater uh volume of service calls to the PD. Um there's also a consideration um between the different formats whereas large format stores like a grocery store or you know something like a a Bevmo or something like along those lines tend to have a lot fewer service calls for underage drinking or underage purchases um than establishments that are smaller. So we wanted to look at that as well. Uh and then this proposed modification is going

to create more control over that concentration which tends to center around those offramps um and the gas stations and things like that that are near offramps. So um this would allow the continuation of off store or of large format stores which is the ones over 7500 square feet but then make it to where the smaller format that cause more of the problems are less likely to happen. and it's it's it's restricted. So, if you go and you look, this is a little bit of our analysis. Um, I'm only I looked at every intersection, but I'm only showing a few here because these are really where it happens. And so, if you look here, what we have is we have these green stores in this area or the green icons in this area format stores. So, you got Target and you got Walmart and you've got Ralphs and you got Bevmo. Um there are a g there is a gas station the 76 station. They do have a all offsale license already. Um or they had a cup for an offsell license. They haven't actually gotten their license from ABC yet as of today. Um and then there also is a liquor store that's up in the Losas shopping center. But with the um purple icons here, that would be other stations that without this restriction would also be able to get off-sale licenses, which is going to create quite a concentration of small format stores. Um and that's just lost poses. Same situation with Carmen is right now we have, you know, um we have Trader Joe's or not, yeah, Trader Joe's and um CVS and they both have their offsell license, but they're large format stores. And then we have the Lantana liquor which is a small format store that exists um which would become non-conforming in this case but then there are the four purple stations or the four purple locations that could also end up getting um ones which again would create a extreme concentration around this intersection. And then Santa

Rosa is the same situation. There could be up to three additional establishments near Santa Rosa Road. So the summary of the impacts from this and this is really what we were trying to kind of look at is we were trying to make sure that this didn't impact a lot of existing establishments. We didn't want to create a whole lot of non-conforming situations by the advent of this code, but we did want to restrict that undue concentration. And so if you look here, you see that on the left, these are stores that by this or these are establishments that buy this are not going to be able to get a offsell license uh if this ordinance were approved by the city council. And the one on the right is a list of stores that are going to become non-conforming. Um the ones in green on the right are actually um stations that have gotten offsell licenses um prior to the moratorum going into effect but um they actually again as of today they have not actually received their ABC licenses yet um but they have their cups. So once they get their ABC license they can move forward and ultimately we're trying to again protect these existing businesses. We're not trying to hurt anybody here by this. We're just trying to control future concentrations. So, we're trying to protect the existing businesses. Um, so we've added some non-conforming um clauses within here so that if somebody does already own one of these businesses, they're going to allow to continue so long as they're in good standing. uh even if that cup like went away like a existing liquor store or something went away for 6 months, 9 months and then the shopping center managed to find another liquor store tenant to go in there, the CUP would still be in effect up to 365 days. Ownership, teny, none of that matters. The cup goes with the property. Um they can remodel, they can repair because we don't want anything to become blighted. So, we want them to have the opportunity to still update their store and keep

their store looking nice. Um, so that's not going to impact anything. Um, we would even allow them to expand their existing alcohol area because they're already an existing establishment and if they wanted to increase their alcohol sales a little bit in order to stay, you know, above board uh in the black, then that would be something that we would allow them to do. voluntary remodeling, construction if damage, all those things have been added to the code to make sure that these can continue to exist even though they're going to be non-conforming. Uh, and then we also wanted to add an improved enforcement. And so this whole section of the code is really just about that. It's really there's things that were absent from the code that we looked at with PD and that we also looked at with code enforcement. and we um looked at these and said these are things that could be added to help with enforcement of existing establishments. So there's a number of these that have been added to the public nuisance section of the code. So in summary, this proposed ordinance uh amendment is to limit the sale of offsales at anything under a 7500 square foot location um within the CPD zone. um it's a response to a surge in applications that we had um which would cause an unreasonable concentration. So this is the the result or this is this is the direction that we're trying to go in order to prevent that undue concentration. So the recommendation would be that you find that this is u exempt from SQA and also that you adopt a resolution recommending approval to the city council of this ordinance amending these chapters of the code.

Thank you for your report. Do any of the commissioners have questions or comments for the staff? I don't. Yeah, I just wanted to clarify that that quarter mile or the 13 120 lineal feet, it's from the the Keltrans right ofway, not from the Calrans. Correct. It's it's from the right of way is how we're measuring it. Okay. So, I don't think it would change anything in terms of the non-conforming building, but basically it' be the you know, a whole strip of land uh along the the freeway on both sides uh only within the CALR rightway around the actual in uh on-ramp and offramp so it wouldn't be the entire length of Camaro

so I can go back and um but doesn't the doesn't the code the proposed code indicate that the 1320 linear feet uh only the CALR writer Okay. Actually around the the on-ramp and off ramps. [clears throat] Okay.

But ultimately in the end it doesn't really have a huge impact um because again the concentration all occurs right there around the intersections or the onoff ramps. So it really and in my analysis I looked very carefully at um if we actually just went a certain distance from the freeway through the out the entire city versus if we just did the onoff ramps and then whether or not you know if we actually just went from the the actual freeway itself, not just the onoff ramps. And ultimately there was really not there was there was a little bit more of an impact like especially for Santa Rosa Road. If we had gone with just the freeway itself than um the 70 or it's not a 70 the Circle K they would be able to still a get a um offsale establishment. But if we go with CALR right ofway then that uh Circle K won't be able to get one. So it was very uh some very fine tuning and analysis as to what the best would be to again try to make it to where we were having as few non-conforming establishments created as possible while trying to meet the goal of reducing the possibility of undue concentration.

Okay, I see that as the objective. I'm just looking at the the [clears throat] ordinance though. The ordinance seems to indicate a continuous 1320 linear feet from the CALR right ofway unless I'm just not reading that correctly. And and I [clears throat] just noticed this by the way. So I if you go into this section of the ordinance where it's got the red line, it's literally just this um you know bullet that's added to that section. It says that it's just within the um within from the interchanges. It talks about the interchanges. So, it's only for 1320 ft from all interchanges.

Okay. I see that now on the proposed change. I guess I thought I was reading the finalized uh ordinance um earlier on in the the report, but if it reads exactly like this, then he's actually correct. the it reads differently when you look at the actual thing. It actually does not say anything about an interchange. Okay, then that's a error on my part that I'll I'll make that correction because because ultimately this would be this would be the goal. Um and this is great that we have these meetings early on so that I can correct this before we go to council. But the intent would be that it would be within interchange from the interchanges. Okay,

that's it for me. Thank you. Yeah, I have a comment. I I think this was well done and and gives us a nice tool because some of the prior uh applicants that came in, there wasn't really an objective basis to to reject some that I think were inappropriate. And uh so this this, you know, makes it clear for the applicant and gives us a good operating document to make a decision on. So, thank you. I I appreciate it. Yeah, this is a a good ordinance, I think. Thank you. Okay, great. Seeing no further questions, we'll open up for a public hearing. Are there any public comments on this item?

Uh, we do have the applicant here. I don't know if they put in a speaker card. Oh, no. I'm sorry. That's the next one. Okay, seeing no public comments, we'll uh close a public hearing. I call for resolution. Resolution number PC 2025-9. It's a resolution recommending approval to the city council of an ordinance amending CMC chapters 9.12, 19.26, and 19.58 pertaining to retail offsale alcohol establishments in the CPD zone and public nuisance regulations.

Is there a motion? I would uh make a motion that we wave any further readings and uh and vote with the caveat that the interchange portion is added to um that bullet one in the appropriate location as discussed with staff. I'll second that. Great. Please call for a vote. Commissioner Vanderm, yes. Commissioner Murphy, yes. Commissioner Edel, yes. Vice Chair Davidson, yes. Chair Leone. Yes.

Okay. The motion passes. We'll now move on to the next item, which is um an application for a conditional use permit by Albertson's Company's DBA Vans for an instruction tasting license. Is there a report? Yes. Thank you, Chair Lemon. This item is also being presented by senior planner Paul McLaren.

Again, welcome. Um I'll just jump right into it. So this is CP 431 M1. It's the M1 because this is a modification to an existing uh type 21 license for offsale um that has been given to bonds um beginning uh towards the beginning of this year. And now that they're open, they're asking for this next uh phase. Um so the request is to approve a modification to the existing license for an instructional tasting. This is the instructional tasting has to be combined with a type 21 license per ABC regulations. So they already have their type 21 license. Um the location is the new Vans at 940 Arneal Road. Uh it is a general plan is commercial and the zoning is commercial plan development. And just to make sure it's clarified, this is not within a quarter mile of interchanges. [laughter] Um so the context is that this is a shopping center. Um adjacent to it is residential to the north, west, and east, and it's additional commercial and office space to the south of this. Um there are operational limits and conditions that have been put in place uh as in the proposed um conditions of approval that are going to minimize potential off-site impacts. And when discussing this with the Planet Police Department, they said that so long as that they are compliant with the ABC's regulations when it comes to instructional tasting that they have no problems or concerns about this being allowed here. So the purpose of this um this is becoming um the Whole Foods in Oxnard has one. Um there's four of them at different grocery stores up in Thousand Oaks. Seami has two instructional tasting licenses. Ohhigh has one at their market. Um, and Thousand or I'm sorry, Ventura also has two. So, it is a trend that Camaro has one actually which

is actually at Jar's liquor store and it's no longer actually being used. Um, they don't they they've removed their instructional tasting area, but they still have the license. Um, ultimately the goal is to drive complimentary well it's to increase with the advent of online shopping. to increase and create an experience when you go to the store. You know, you can't taste anything new when you're ordering online or when you're, you know, getting your shopping delivered to your house. So, they're trying to get people in the store so they can then hopefully get the complimentary sales of produce, snacks, deli. Um, which also then the the allowing the tasting also supports local producers. So we have an institution ill or we have an 805 or somebody like that who has a new product out there. This would be an opportunity for them to allow the public to sample that product to see if they want to purchase it then from the store. Um so it promotes those local so that helps it promote local economy um growth and stability. So operationally this the pictures are actually taken from um the Albertson's company's training for their off um their instructional tasting licenses. So this is the vision that they have and this also is compliant with ABC regulations. So it's not a bar, it's a small area where one or two people might be able to step up and have a sample. The sample sizes are restricted. Um, if you go and you look the area, I'm sorry, the area on the the left is kind of the total space that would be allowed. So, you might be able to get three people, four people in there if they kind of crowd in a little bit. So, again, it's not intended to be uh a drinking establishment. It's supposed to be a place where you come and you you have a sample. um within the scope of things. The ABC limits um how many people or it it

limits the um it it well they have limits like ID checks are there. They're going to require that there be stansions, some sort of barrier between the tasting area and the rest of the store. There's a sign there that says nobody's allowed within the stansions. If they're under the age of 21, they are be checking ID at that location. It's going to be staffed by a vendor that's over the age of 21 who has the RBS training. It's also there's going to be a staff person from Vans who's also got the RBS training and is also over the age of 21 on duty at any time during this event and they're allowed to have one event per day. Um, let me go back. So, when it comes to the limits of alcohol, essentially, you know, alcohol, you go into distilled alcohol and one shot has about the same amount of alcohol as 3 ounces of wine has the same amount of alcohol as about 6 ounces of beer. And that's all they're allowed to serve per person. So, they can go ahead and they can say, "Well, I'm going to get a quarter shot of this new distilled alcohol and a quarter shot of that one and a quarter shot of that one, and that equals their 3/4 of an ounce." um or you know they can so they can divide it up but ultimately they end up basically getting the same amount of alcohol no matter what and they're not they're restricted to that amount of alcohol and so in summary this is a conditional use p permit that is um allowed and consistent with a CPD zone in the general plan. Uh we don't feel as though there's any detriment to the public health safety or welfare with the conditions that we have in place. uh the site design are adequate. Um you know I I actually want to go back to this one. I'm sorry. I I want to talk about the map a little bit first. I'm so sorry. Um so if you go and you look what what we're looking at here is the actual Vans and where alcohol is actually staged and displayed in Vans. This image is about onethird of the 64,000 square foot

store. um from the red dotted line on the right hand side to the nearest exit is about 60 feet and everybody who's leaving that area would have to pass go past all of the cash registers. So they're going to be under the view of everybody who's there bagging and shopping. So everybody's going to get a lot of visibility on this. And then within that red square is where they would set up this instructional tasting area. It wouldn't take up that entire square. It would only take up a small portion. they just want the flexibility to be able to do it anywhere within that area. And so that's why the red line is like this. So operationally, I wanted to include that um in my comments. And then going back to the summary, um the the site and design are adequate conditions ensure compliance with the ABC and the city's standards. It also promotes local economic growth and stability. So my recommendation is that we approve CUP 431 M1 and find it exempt from SQA.

Thank you. Do the commissioners have any comments or questions from staff on the um you mentioned 11 licenses already throughout the county? Correct. How many of those are actively being used? All of them. They're all doing the sampling. Yes. Okay. Okay. I think my other questions are for the applicant. Okay, Murphy. Yes, just a quick one. It's my understanding that um you've run this by the Camrio Police Department and they have no objections to it. Correct. Thank you. Yeah. How many are in Camrio? Would this be the first you said or is there

So there over off of Mobile there's a Jar's Liquor and that one was approved seven [snorts] or eight years ago. Um but they didn't find it viable. It didn't work for them. People weren't knowing about it and didn't come in. So, they kind of just felt that they could use that space for the tasting for better purpose. So, they kind of got rid of that. Um, but they still do have an active license. They're just not actually actively doing the tastings. Okay. So, there is one in Camaro. Okay. Thank you.

I just have a comment. I've actually been to Boise where Albertson's is headquartered and some of their flagship stores there and it's a very nice um experience. it is very well controlled. Uh they they actually control how many people can get to the area. The pictures kind of reveal that. So um in practice it it very much matches what was described to us and that's my only comment. Great. Thank you. No further comments or questions for staff. Okay. I'll open up for a public hearing for public comments and we have the applicant. If there's another public comment, make sure that you submit your your card. Okay.

And please state your full name for the record. You have three minutes. Hi. Uh Kevin Lelay Architecture. We're the uh architecture firm representing Albertsons and Vons. I also have with me uh Mr. Dean Meade who's the uh district manager for Ventura County. Uh he can answer any questions related to operations, but uh architecturally I I can walk you through uh the layout. Was there questions uh Commissioner uh Vanderm? As far as the layout, because walking through the store, the big tall racks that are there are very tall and there's not a lot of walking room around those. And the area right next to it is right not too far away from the last aisle, you know, in that area, checkout aisle,

right? So, I was concerned on that aspect about where are they going to put it where there's room, where there's not people lined up, where it's not in the way of people trying to get around the other shelves to the other side of the store. Yeah, operationally I think they don't want to damage themselves uh with any um standalone sales on shelves, but uh they will uh stage the location where um they can both benefit the customers and continue to make sales around the um uh the shelving. So where it says um yeah um

the promo, it's not going to be in that promo area next to the red line. Uh no, it would not be not in between the check registers and and that area. Um we foresee these areas closer to the north uh and where the dashed uh three boxes are. Those are promotional seasonal items that uh otherwise are flex space, flexible areas that they can um set up the stansions and operate centrally uh uh within that department, not ruin uh uh any sales from the shelving units. Okay, that would while it's set up, that could have a little tendency to cut into the walking area over to that north side of the store.

Yeah. Um, regardless, our mission is always uh fire life and safety. Um, we would always ensure exiting paths are maintained and um, safe protocols are uh, in place. Okay. And then I don't think my other questions are my other questions are more operational rather than architectural. Okay. Thank you, Commissioner Murphy. No further questions. Thank you. I don't know. [clears throat] Great. Thank you. Thank you. Please proceed. And please state your name for the record. You have three minutes.

Good evening. Steve Deoce, live here in Camaro for nine years. Um, quick question. It says one event per day. Okay. Is there a limit to the length of time that that event can continue? There is not. So they could have it all day. So what's they could? So why just say one event per day? I mean, if you're not going to put a limit on it, it could be open for their 14-hour day, right? I'm just bringing it up. Yes, it could be open for 14 hours a day, but again, they're only allowed to serve the person one time. Okay. So it just gives them an opportunity to be able to market their their items. No, I I understand that. It just seems like an awfully long event option.

Thank you. Any other public comment on this item? Okay, I'll Did we have Is there not a person here to address the operational? Oh, thank you. Hi, I'm Dean Me. I'm the district manager covering Ventura County, Albertsons, and Vans. Okay. Thank you. Okay. So I also had a question on one one day like every day one once a day or like every day type thing you can do it once a day without having any idea of

Yeah. So so typically it I I did see the once once a day but in in my experience I've been with Albertson's 36 years. This is a newer um type of experience and tasting. Mostly our pavilion stores um operate this and it's really as I the closest one I I've been familiar with is is in Newbury Park Albertsons. We we do it. It's typically uh once every other week. It's short-term. It's two hours at a time and it's it's really it's a small table and it's it's very uh the traffic that goes through is very, you know, few and far between. It's one or two people as mentioned before. So, it doesn't really push anything into the aisles or easements as far as uh traffic flow. So, it's really

if you're a customer that's shopping that alcohol department, you're you're over there. The moms and the families, they they typically don't even uh venture into that that area where there would be the tasting. So, yeah. My concern was yes, one, you know, every day, once a day would be too often. Yes. And I absolutely

there are some people that might not want to be shopping at a time that you're doing this. So how are they going to notice when it's available, what the hours are so that people that don't want to be in the store while that's taking place can know not to shop at that time or people that might be interested will know when they can come. So how is that going to be publicized or noticed? T typically there isn't a publicized scheduling for these events that you know as as the vendors have a new item or a local vendor has something that they want to you know promote it does go through our our office and it gets approved and then it's set up through our sales managers out in Fullerton office. So like I said it's it's not something that there's a schedule out there posted for the general public. Um, yeah, I was really hoping there would be some way that customers would know when they could, you know, when it was going to be there or what vendors were going to be there. If in my experience when like the pavilions or the Vans have had a a major event with like I they've done like Jason Mimoa and some of celebrities that have their promotions those type of things do get scheduled and a press release and a version goes out in that ad for those type of of tasting events. But these are really micro tasting events very small very low-key really. If you're a customer that's not even into that liquor department, it's a tendency to just overlook it. Wouldn't even see it. It's it's it's that small of a level.

Would I have a suggestion as to that? Because I had the same question. Um would you have you had a practice where you regularly where you have signage with a notice up front in the store so a customer who is entering the store will know that that is occurring that day and can avoid that section if they so desire to. The the signage in my experience they they have it as you go into the liquor department. There's a tea bar sign. It explains the tasting event and you know obviously it it it lets the c consumer know you know if they want to partake in that event for that particular day. So but there's nothing at the front door that's going to let a customer know that we have this event going on.

So is that signage at the actual location or is that right there before somebody enters a section? No, it's right there in front of the actual tasting table. Yes. Yeah. Okay. So, well, we there's restrictions. It's all the ABC guidelines that they have to follow that requires that signage to be placed um before a person enters that section. Yeah. Um yeah, I'm just I'm am very concerned about one, they're not going to get the people to notice there to actually have the benefit that they want to have from the tasting if it's not posted somewhere, you know, maybe even two or three days ahead of time. Yeah. And then like I say for people that

might not want to shop at that time when that's taking place, how do they know to avoid the store at that time?

So even like I say even to get the customers there that you want to have tasting. We do have a at this at this location, we do have a uh wine steward who has gone through all of the trainings and he actually has a community database that uh you know volunteer uh consumers of the store have scanned the QR code, they get put into the wine club and that's the avenue to really let these consumers know that these different events are taking place within the store. It's more of a silent deal instead of trying to go out and advertise, you know, and promote liquor. It's more, hey, it's it's it's geared toward the folks that really want that experience and want to be part of it. We run double discount offers, special events, and things, and that's how we reach out to our consumers that are are within the local area that want to participate.

Any other questions or comments? I'm sorry, Commissioner Vanderlin, were you? Yeah. No, I think I kind of lumped all of those questions together. So, yeah, just some specific concerns I really had on those, but thank you. Appreciate it, Commissioner Murphy. Yes. More out of curiosity, [clears throat] what is the closest Vans that that has um that currently has a tasting? uh Vans Ohhigh and also the Vons off of Victoria and Oxnard the Seabbridge location. Okay.

Yes. And then the Albertson's Newbury Park. Yeah, I would say the Albertson's New Park is probably closest to Arnneal as far as Yeah, it does seem like there's a a trend towards this and that many of them are using them along the lines of what Steve uh Deoce, I think it was, is um there is not a time limitation on on this. Do do you sometimes have events that go all day long? I have never seen an event that's gone all day long. No. And you said typically it's more like typically they're a couple hours and they're they're done. They're wound up, you know. I've never seen anything go beyond a couple hours.

Okay. On these tastings, they're usually from what I've my experience I've seen them in the afternoon from like 4 to 6. Got it. And so I like the the potential for uh local sales, you know, local growers and and so forth. Do you reach out to the local We do, a matter of fact. Um, we're the we're the number one local. Um, you know, it's not only alcohol. We I mean, we just opened up a remodeled Vans in Ohio. We did the the last year on January 17, we opened up this one and we reached out and we we had a huge local presence. I mean, we we as a company highly believe that working with local products is is really key to our success in the community.

All right. Thank you. Thank you. the uh the one event per day thing does seem a little odd. Is that an ABC component or is that a SID? Is that something that staff put on? It's ABC component. Is there only allowed one event per day? But without without further definition, correct? Okay. Um Okay, that's my question. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. I just think with the limit on how much you're allowed to drink that no one's going to be sitting there at a bar drinking for four hours. they're going to have their taste while they're shopping and probably move on. So, I don't I'm not concerned with it, I don't think, personally. But

any other questions or comments for applicant? Okay. Any other uh comments from the public? I just wanted to clarify one condition uh number nine that was written in the staff report. if I can uh uh suggest a modification to that language um just to enhance the uh uh the purpose and the security of of that condition.

What's your suggestion? Um uh we would like to state each event must be staffed by at least one RBS which is a certified by the California alcohol beverage uh control responsible beverage service program representative of the product manufacturer or distributor over the age of 21. Bonds must schedule at least one employee that is RBS certified by the California Alcoholic Beverage Control 21 years of age or older. The VON's employees will be on duty during the entire scheduled event. Thank you. Thank you.

Is you didn't take your entire three minutes, so please proceed.

Steve Deoce again. Um, to be to be clear, I'm not against Vans or any other place doing this. I'm just puzzled. They're not doing any marketing. They say they're not going to let anybody know what's happening, but their entire justification for doing it is to compete with online shopping and to sell complimentary items. That's baseless given that you're not doing any marketing. you can't compete with online shoppers if you don't tell people to not shop online and come into the store and do this. So, it just seems odd. It's their business. I don't have any problem with it. I'm just puzzled as to why they would justify it like this and what they think they're going to gain from it. If you're not telling people you're doing it and there's only one or two people that come in, I believe the gentleman said in any event, what's the point of approving it? I

thank you. Seeing no further public comments, I'll close the public hearing and commissioner's item is now open for discussion. My my uh suggestions would be that we um in an approval if if it's so um suggested that we do put a limit on the event um that the the verbiage around one event per day, something that's reasonable uh four hours um comes to mind for me. One event per day not to exceed four hours seems very reasonable. And um as for the signage, I would I would I don't have a problem with that. I understand that they're go, you know, they're sending emails to somebody to or to a specific group of people trying to entertain their willingness to come in. Again, that's your business and I do agree with the the speaker about that. Um, so the the signage I don't I won't pick up, but the the one event per day thing, I do think it's it's a reasonable thing to place a a reasonable uh time limit on it. I would think that uh one event per day not to exceed four hours would be appropriate. Well, I would like to kind of see if there's any way we can put something in about signage at the door so that customers coming in do know that it's taking place and if possible signage ahead of time. So, I'm concerned and I just don't know if that's possible or not.

I'm in agreement with that. Um, is this something that a bond's representative would have to uh approve? I mean, it seems like signage a couple days in advance would only um enhance the potential for success on on this. Yeah, it's not a big deal um to advertise that um to uh help with the patrons visiting the store and to promote it. Um we want the customers to enjoy the experience and the store to be successful. So, we be more than happy to accommodate those two conditions. Thank you, Mr. Edson.

No, I think with those added, uh, I'm good with it as well. Okay. Anything else? Okay. I'll call for resolution. Resolution number PC 2025-10, a resolution of the planning commission of the city of Camaro approving a request from Albertson's Companies DBA Vans for a modification to conditional use permit CUP 431 to allow an instructional tasting license type 86 at 940 Arnneal Road in the commercial plan development zone. further described as CUP 431M1. Thank you. Is there a motion?

I move to wave further reading and vote to adopt. I'll second it. Chair, members of the commission, if I may, just to clarify, there was uh discussion earlier about inclusion of two additional conditions of approval related to signage and limiting the hours to one event per day, not to exceed four hours. Is that part of this motion?

You have to name the amendment. [snorts] Uh yes, it is amended to um include signage um two days in advance of of each event and uh to put a 4-hour limitation on the duration of each event. Thank you. There was also some comment made by the applicant related to condition of approval number nine. That is not part of the um that's not proposed for inclusion as part of this motion. Is that right? I mean, I think we could um include it. It sounded reasonable to me. Basically, it includes licensed individuals that would be behind uh each and every event um including store employees if they are so licensed.

Is there a second? I'll second it with those additions. Please call for a vote. Commissioner Vanderm, yes. Commissioner Murphy, yes. Commissioner Edel, yes. Vice Chair Davidson, Chair Leon, yes. And the motion is passed. Okay. Our final item on today's um agenda for public hearing is the proposed climate action plan with a proposed action being um finding that's exempt from SQA and a resolution recommending that the city council adopt the climate action plan. Um, and we're ready for your report.

Thank you, Chair Leone. This item will be presented by Hannah Mise with Ringcon Consultants.

Awesome. All right. Thank you so much for having me today. I'm really excited to talk about the climate action plan and see kind of where we've landed so far in the process. Again, I'm Hannah Mai. I'm with RunCon Consultants. We're located here uh in Ventura just right down the road. So, uh, have a lot of real connection to the city and, uh, excited to showcase how far we've come and where we're at in the process. Like I mentioned, really want to start discussing what the purpose is and how we've gotten here today, the work that was, uh, completed essentially to to get us here in front of this group and what we want to share out as far as next steps and then staff recommendations. And absolutely if there's any questions uh discussion would love to hear any feedback so we can make sure this plan is as implementable and aligned with the community needs as possible. All right. So taking it from the top as far as the development process goes what we really want to do is start with an understanding of where we're at. And so that included an emissions inventory and forecast analysis where we first um took a kind of an understanding of uh I would say a point in time for us it was 2019. This project kicked off during COVID and we wanted to understand what the emissions were like during kind of a standard year. So we picked 2019 and estimated the emissions out using best available data for that. We can kind of talk about that on a future slide. Once we had the inventory, we developed a forecast and set targets in line with the state's goals to demonstrate how the city will um kind of contribute the fair share reductions to meet that broader goal. Then we uh created a climate change vulnerability assessment. You've heard about this likely before as part of the safety element which was also completed in tandem. The city has uh you know moved forward with a variety of different projects that really coales into something in this kind of sustainability realm. So there's the sustainability master plan, the safety

element and then this climate action plan. And they all weave in uh again to this really holistic resilience strategy for the city. Once we understood where we were, you know, for emissions inventory, uh, where where we were going to go for the forecast and set those targets, really understood the impacts of climate on the city, we developed, uh, provisional measures and actions which we have shared kind of today in the draft cap. And essentially what those measures and actions do is allows us to reach the goals of uh that we identified in the targets but more broadly aligns with the state's goals and really protects the the city and the community going forward against these climate hazards that we are going to face. And then uh we have the draft cap which essentially combines all of this information. It provides an introduction, emissions inventory, the forecast, the targets, the climate change vulnerability assessment, and the heart of this plan really is those measures and actions which we identified through those baseline analyses and then based on community feedback, city staff feedback and other interested parties who participated in this process to really make sure that these measures and actions were implementable and aligned with what meets the needs of the city specifically. because you know climate action planning is uh it's been around for a while you know I would say a decade there's really found an opportunity to hone in and uh identify what makes the most sense for us here so this plan really is a foundation it's a framework outlining uh the way that the city can reduce greenhouse gas emissions and provides a roadmap to increase community resilience to things like extreme weather um extreme heat wildfire things that we're all experiencing I wanted to just pull a quick note from the US EPA that noted um currently climate change is happening and the United Nations has noted that in the past uh decade it's been the warmest on record and the four previous decades uh prior to that were the warmest

incrementally uh in kind of succession. So we are experiencing this warming trend. uh how do we start to work together to navigate it and create a community that's really resilient and sustainable for our future and and the people that we you know our kids, our family, our friends, etc. This plan is also a qualified SQUA uh qualified cap or a SQA document which allows future projects to be streamlined off of this. So really the benefit here is saving developer time and staff time if projects are consistent with the greenhouse gas uh analysis in the climate action plan. if they implement initiatives and measures and actions identified in the plan. Uh no additional greenhouse gas analysis is required. Again, streamlining both the developer process and city staff review making, you know, really this economic viable e economically viable community more and more um implementable as projects continue to come into the community. So, it's really um an opportunity to save save time, save money, and get the cool projects that we want to get implemented. When we talk about the work to date, I had mentioned that we did an inventory, the forecasts and targets. And so really quickly want to dive into the emissions inventory. And what you'll see here is on the right we have a pie chart that shows the emissions from the city. This is the community as I mentioned. Um there's, you know, we took a 2019 baseline analysis because that was uh an understanding precoid where we at what's what's kind of the trajectory going forward. And I will say this really aligns with across you know the regions across the kind of I'm sorry the jurisdictions across the region in you know different emissions sectors we're seeing transportation as the greatest. We understand the freeway runs through. Um I want to recognize that trips that either start or end outside of Camaro are not accounted for in this. So if a trip starts in Camaro and ends in Warpark 50% of that is

accounted for here. However, if a trip starts in Ventura and goes to Los Angeles on the 101, that's pulled out because the city does not have any responsibility over that, those emissions are uh designated to the cities where they start and stop. So, just wanted to note that. And then also um when we did this analysis, we included the off-road emissions from the airport. The airport, however, is controlled operationally by the county. So, it's included in their climate action plan more broadly. the city does not have control over the airport. So, we didn't want to put that into the emissions inventory and say, "Hey, reduce these emissions. You don't have any control over it." Um, but let's find a solution. So, what we did was recognize that there's um, you know, the trips to and from the airport. There's opportunities for the city to control those. Um, but there isn't really an opportunity to control what's happening at the airport. So, if we're looking at emissions, just wanted to reiterate um, how that worked. And then we're measuring this in one metric ton of CO2. There's about 490,000 total. Um, so just for reference, I that image is very small on the screen. I apologize, but it's about the distance to get from here to gosh, if you were going to go to like New Orleans or, you know, uh I'm thinking like Kentucky, somewhere in the in that kind of uh post Mississippi line. And it it's a it's a pretty big uh metric to to understand. So, just wanted to put that for a framing. All right. And then here we're talking about forecast and targets. Um I'm going to run through the lines a little bit. We have the dashed line on the top. That's the 1990 emissions. If things were to stay as they did in 1990, um we have a standard that's based on the states emissions. And we backcast what the cities were based on uh population and other economic kind of um demographics, I guess. And then we identified from there what the it's a gold line or a brown that business as usual. If things were to stay as they were in 2019 when we did the inventory,

you'll see a slight increase because projections show that the population is going to increase, jobs will increase. Um, we're not seeing I mean we are seeing an increase but it's not I wouldn't say [clears throat] exponential because there's all of these you know initiatives that are in play to kind of reduce that which are shown really in the the blue line where we're where we're seeing the um the legislation that the Cal the state of California has applied. So basically the benefit here is uh we don't have to do it all alone. The state's also helping but that gray kind of differential between the blue line and the green um shows the the gap that we need to achieve for 2030 to keep that SQL qualified climate action plan and ultimately going towards 25 to hit carbon neutrality. In these future years, more climate action plan, you know, updates, revisions, monitoring, and implementation will be uh performed to see where these actions are being, you know, really where we're getting the most success, where we might not be, so we can recalibrate and continue to move forward on this trajectory. As I mentioned, we also have the climate action uh vulnerability assessment or climate change vulnerability assessment that was woven into the safety element specifically, but also really was used as a foundation for this plan because without understanding, you know, the the actual impacts that people are experiencing. It's hard to develop measures that really address those concerns and, you know, we're we're experiencing wildfires, extreme heat, etc. um how do we start to weave that into the broader plan? Measures and actions are developed in a kind of a step-wise way. So we have the strategy which essentially provides the overarching goal. So it's you know transportation mobility or it's uh building energy. We also have a cornerstone one which I'll talk a little bit about. And then we have the measures which are one step down. Those say do x by y. So um install x amount of EV chargers by year. very specific and then the actions tell the steps of how we're

going to get there. Do a feasibility study. You know, where can the where can the chargers get uh installed? Where do people need chargers? How can we provide education for people to use the chargers? How do we connect people to the rebates where they can get the EV to use the charger in the first place? And so really those it's kind of the the step-wise process of how you um achieve the overall measure. Additionally, we've phased these. We recognize that there's a lot to be done um and not uh you know there's a limited amount of things we can do in a day. So what can what can we accomplish and really wanted to map out this in a phased way so we can say hey in the next couple of years we're going to do you know these couple of things which are really about feasibility educating the community providing outreach and then in the future years we'll start to do those structural changes make sure things are implementable and move it forward but providing that foundation so everybody's comfortable with it and knows why and and the reasoning behind why we're doing different things. So really making sure that this is done in a way that um that doesn't [clears throat] happen all at once. You know, we're not saying everybody let's replace all of your equipment, you know, or what we want to do is say when your piece of equipment dies, maybe let's consider a different option um and start to move that forward in a in a kind of a a step-wise way. As far as the strategy or the structure of the measures and actions go, we have quantified and then supportive. the quantified really align with that SQL qualified piece where we want to use substantial evidence to demonstrate either that's um examples from other jurisdictions or white papers or um gosh any sort of uh publicized information to really say these reductions are achievable and here's how we're going to do it and here's how you can use this plan for SQA streamlining. The supportive measures are equally important but they don't have those quantified benefits. What they do is really provide some of those things that you know more safety, more human health, those aspects of things that are very important but not so quantifiable in the

emissions reductions umbrella. As far as the measures go, we have the kind of a strategy here of six different uh six different strategies with measures underneath. And as I mentioned really when we started this plan we developed this cornerstone measure and we thought what is what is the crux of what's important to the city of Camaro. You know we talked to different uh community members we talked to city staff we talked to other people who have like been involved folks from CI. It was really an interesting process and it's like what is important and we came up with you know family safety community the things that really make Camaro great. And so we have a a measure here that's really about developing safe uh pathways and having a program around that so we can have accessibility between the community, you know, our neighbor our neighborhoods in our commercial areas, the the schools, the parks, and really provide an opportunity for community members to use our internal streets really safely and effectively. For building energy, um we focused on you'll see building energy and mobility and transportation have the greatest amount of measures. Again, that's because they have the greatest amount of emissions. And so, we're really trying to um address that in in this plan. So, increasing the use of CPA green power, that's already being done in the city, but really maintaining that and providing um you know, differentials if if there's a cost concern for community members who might need that, who might be, you know, might need that financial support and really making sure that the transition is equitable. also electrifying new buildings. It's cheaper. It's easier in most instances. You have to pipe one or plum, you know, one utility instead of two. So, it's a little bit um more [clears throat] effective for builders. A lot of people are moving in that direction already. Electrifying existing buildings. And that really means again as things, you know, come to the end of their useful life, is there an opportunity to improve the air quality in your home? I'm thinking specifically,

you know, natural gas stoves. They emit knocks, a big um uh direction or correlation to asthma, especially with kids um and stuff like that. So, it's like how do we how do we remove that from our home? And it's really not necessarily about the natural gas. It's about having healthier spaces to live and work and play. And so I think that those buildings, especially the existing buildings, making sure they're uh reliable, especially for weather changes. And then um increasing energy and storage and really that storage piece is huge. I think, you know, we're going to be able to we have phenomenal [clears throat] uh opportunities for things like solar here, but if we if we can't store it in a way that's reasonable, it's going to be a little bit trickier. And I think um one Paul I I want to say one of the meetings we had really at the beginning you said how do we make Camaro a very economically viable like I want people to want to come here all of the time. You know powers out in more park powers out in Ventura for whatever reason but like we're here you know we got it we're resilient and really have that be a place that people find safe. Um so I think that was really something that resonated. We also have the mobility increasing active transportation. And I think it's going to be really important to expand the CAT and the fixed route trolley. Um I was driving in Camrio and I saw the trolley popping around and I was like this thing is so cool. And I mean I live in Ventura but like to pop on the trolley from you know the outlets to I was a a CI grad so like pop over to CI or pop over to different places just a really cool opportunity. Um so trying to think of how do we connect our neighborhoods more to our commercial places and keep business in Camaro keep those tax that tax revenue there. um increase EV adoption both commercially and residentially and then decarbonizing off-road equipment. And really, when we're talking about decarbonizing off-road equipment, that goes back to the health and safety, it's it's such a small amount of emissions, but it really is about how do we help make people as healthy and safe as possible in the work that they're doing. And a lot of the people who are outside, you know, doing

outdoor work um are are highly susceptible to these kind of um discrepancies. We also have solid waste, water and wastewater. I want to say uh solid waste is very, you know, near and dear to my heart, even though it's not a huge emission source. It's about organic waste, taking food that could be, you know, given to community members back to community members, taking that and not throwing it away, but how do we provide this equitable source? I worked for the city of Thousand Oaks and I was blown away. I worked in a recycling position and like uh the amount of uh trash or amount of food that gets thrown away in schools. So, we really started to like hone in here. How do we work with different groups and make it so it's easier for people to to take that food and give it away um without any sort of repercussion or risk? And then you know increasing the reuse and uh repair of things that we already have. I think that's the first and foremost uh you know when I think about what this looks like how do we start with what we have really moving that forward. Um and then these last couple ones water and wastewater worked really closely with the water division here. I know there's been so much work on this and so um really reducing water uh per capita use and then also increasing recycled supply and specifically making sure that you know large water users can have that access and then um finally we have carbon sequestration pulling that carbon back into the ground with compost procurement and then a community urban forest plan. And what that really means is planting more trees. Um, there's some really cool tools out there that show tree equity scores and show where, you know, there's a lot of there's more tree canopy, there's less tree canopy in neighborhoods and really focusing in on that to say, hey, where can where are the areas that we can really focus in and and get this to be the most equitable uh city we can have. And then uh as far as the structure goes, as I mentioned, we have this introduction, we have the background, you know, that strategies, the the emissions target, all of that to really kind of give the information. And then the um the

implementation and monitoring is going to demonstrate how this plan will be really complete over the next couple of years, you know, the next five years, 10 years, 20 years. And what that looks like as far as, hey, we're going to do an update. We're going to, you know, revise, review, see where we're at. And as new technologies become available, as new things arise, we can adjust. And I think that's something that's really important here. This is a living document. We want to be able to, you know, say something comes out tomorrow and there's a a backup battery that you get, you know, everything you need that might not be in the plan, but the, you know, it's still adjustable to include that. So really having something that's that doesn't sit on a shelf, but that allows us to implement this going forward. And, uh, just again really excited. Here's a a cool shot we had. Um, we had an event at Studio Channel Islands. They hosted us for a community workshop at, you know, over 20 people showed up and it was just incredible to have such dynamic conversations and really hear feedback from from the people that live here and that it matters too. So again, um, just want to say thanks so much for having me. We're going to close out here as next steps. I'll pass it to to Jackie to take us from here.

Thanks Hannah. Um, so next steps would be following tonight's meeting. we would take the climate action plan to city council. Um we're looking at taking this at their January 14th meeting and then um should that get adopted by the council then we would move right into implementation um in 2026 and beyond where we would implement monitor and continue to track our progress. Uh so staff's recommendation tonight is to find that the climate action plan is exempt from SQA pursuant to section 15061B3 and adopt a resolution recommending approval of the climate action plan to the city council.

And that concludes our presentation. We're available for any questions. Thank you very much for that detailed, very informative report. Um commissioners comments or questions for staff? Um, I just have one curious question because reading it and seeing, you know, the lines go down for like less gas usage and residential gas and stuff, how do we measure if the use of gas, household gas is going down?

Great question. Um, so specifically for natural gas and electricity, I'll say every source, so natural gas, electricity, water, and um, waste, we have real data. So we work with um Edison SoCal Gas and they they provide they aggregate it. So we um it's really important so we can't say oh so and so's house uses x amount you know we really try and keep it kind of consistent. We have commercial and then residential and keep it um as a total but what they do is every year they they sum that up and they provide that and so we take that data and it allows us to say hey you know you're we're maybe using more electricity we're using less natural gas however it works and then really track that using real data. the the transportation is modeled and that's the trickiest one because it's one of the biggest sources. Um but it's it's that we're seeing more and more data come out that's based on things like cell phone data and it's incredible. It's it'll like aggregate cell phone data with um Amazon per you know online purchases with where you're driving with where you're buying things in you know in probably over over the top um but it has some really interesting data where you can say and again it doesn't go down to the person but it says here's how many trips and here's like people take x uh type of transportation to wide places. So it's really becoming more more and more uh finessed.

Some of that maybe I don't want to know. [laughter] Thank you. You're welcome, Commissioner Murphy. Yes.

Yes. Thank you for that very nice presentation and and um putting the cap together. There's quite a bit in there to look at and digest. Um, I was looking at a couple of the the charts um that both have to do with the 40% reduction of the GHG emissions and the net zero GHG emission by 2045. And on the second chart, it shows a not quite achieving a a zero emissions by 2045. It's on page 25. It's Camrio's GHD emissions reduction pathway.

Yes. So, I wasn't sure how how that compared with the previous one that that that showed zero emissions in 2045.

That that's a great point. So, this um this is kind of showing how the ultimate goal of how we want to go. You know, the target pathway is down to get is getting to 2045. So, that's that green line that hits zero. And then the gray is kind of the gap. And specifically to have this SQL qualified climate action plan, we really need to demonstrate by 2030 we're going to hit that you know um 40% reduction by 199 from 1990 and make substantial progress to net zero. So recognizing that we're not going to that nobody right now is realistically hitting net zero. Um, so there's some flexibility in saying, "Hey, in these future years, we're going to we're doing the what everything we can do right now. We're going to get as close as we can and update it with that new technology as it becomes available and new measures and actions uh, you know, and re-evaluate through the process. So it really it really is hitting that 2030 and then um making progress towards 25 45. That that's a really good question.

Okay. And on one of the last slides you showed sectors and and [snorts] measures which is the main part that the various components that um are involved the areas that that we want to go after [snorts]

uh assuming this is um approved uh cornerstone building energy mobility and land use solid waste water and wastewater carbon sequestration if I got that pronounced. correctly in looking at that green liner on either of these charts. How how do those sectors break down for the data that you have projected on those lines? Are there some that are way way more than the others in in terms of can we go after focus on get bang for our buck and and focus on certain areas first and and work from there?

Yeah, great question. Absolutely. So, those are going to be things like um really in the city, the one that's going to be the biggest is increasing use of CPA green power. if we can continue using renewable energy, that's going to be just incredibly significant for the city. Um, looking right off, I think the other one there was the electrification of new buildings, but we do break it down um by emissions reductions per measure. So, it really is clear if if the city says, hey, you know, we really want to focus on um this, you know, this measure this year, totally a viable option. um you know we have actions phased but I think going in for a specific measure that really reduces emissions totally totally doable.

Okay. And then is there a um is there a table or a a pie chart as something that that reflects uh what percentage of the overall goal can be attributed to each of these sectors? Not in this presentation but we can absolutely provide that. Yeah, that's something we totally have. Um and it it breaks it down so we can one of the things we were doing when we were working through this is you know um we have a tool where we said hey if we adjust one of these numbers do we have to change another one and kind of calibrate it to make sure we still hit the goal and so we um we can definitely create a a chart and that might be something really cool to include in the climate action plan. I think that would be a good idea in the final document.

Okay. Thanks. And my last question is just more out of curiosity. the 490k metric tonses of carbon dioxide dioxide equivalent for Camaro. Have you folks done a comparison as to how that works per capita versus other, you know, municipalities in in California?

Yes. Uh definitely. I So we work throughout the state um trying to think per capita right off. I can double check that number, but um it's pretty consistent with with the region. It's like Venture. I mean, we're I would say it's very consistent with our the area. LA is going to have a little bit higher transportation emissions, which makes sense. Most cities in LA, um they're closer to I mean, we're at like 48%. They're closer to 51 52 in a lot of jurisdictions. I'm thinking like Glendale. We just completed their climate action plan. Um but yeah, very comparable to other other jurisdictions in the region. All right. Thank you. I don't have

Thank you. I have a question. Um, under the under sectors and measures under mobility and land. Oh, thank you.

Can you hear me now? Um, so under the sectors and measures under mobility and land use, you list some things that strike me as being a little beyond the ability of of the city, any city to control. In other words, uh, decarbonizing off-road equipment, um, you know, certainly increasing commercial E. Are are you is this somewhat dependent on state efforts as well to incentivize or to um have uh you know changes in state code that make requirements of this because it seems like if Camaro were to say you have to decarbonize your off-road equipment, we would just dry up construction and and you know can't really make that stand without a broader effort.

Yeah, absolutely. Good question. [clears throat] Excuse me. Um, so mobility in particular, I will say all of them. Um, but that one in particular aligns with the state goals and really, you know, directly says the state's requirements are I'm thinking they have a like a they call it a sore um small off-road equipment regulation. Um, and so this aligns directly with that and says here's how the city can do it. And I'm thinking um I can pull that one up specifically, but let's see. There's really trying to make sure that we're looking at um when we develop these, how are we going to do it? So, really making sure kind of going back to the the actions of like what's is it feasible? How does it going to look? What's it going to what's what's that mean for people, you know, and really creating a feasibility study before we make these decisions because I think saying like, hey, let's let's start to decarbonize and where it makes sense. Maybe that doesn't make sense for every instance, you know. Um, but let's do a feasibility study. Analyze is it the, you know, oneoff kind of con not construction, but I'm thinking um landscaping something, you know, how many batteries are people going to have to have? We've had some conversations just with even city staff about when we were developing the S&P, you know, because that's a sustainability master plan for kind of leads uh shows how the city leads by example. And those were questions like, well, how do we carry 15 batteries, you know, or what does that look like? And so I was like, well, let's maybe in this first year we don't we can evaluate what let's take a look at all of the equipment that we're using. Let's take an inventory of that, you know, and start with some of that kind of information and then making decisions from there.

I don't know if that that answers your question, though. I don't know. Maybe partially. I I guess some of these things just seem like they're going to come from the state of California. In other words, the state's going to say, "Stop using gas power." or I'm just making sort of things up, but stop using gas powered leaf blowers. Um, stop using gas powered lawnmowers and things and those some of those things have already happened, but it seems to me that a lot of these um,

you know, the adoption of of increased commercial EV use is certainly not something that the city, the little city of Camaro, it is going to have much of an impact on. Yeah, we can we could electrify our fleet, fine. That's a, you know, I mean, I you know, I firmly believe we should all be leaving a smaller footprint. So, I don't I don't want my comments to be taken out of context. It just seems like why are we putting so much effort into work that staff and and and outreach and everything when the state should more maybe more appropriately control it and and direct us, direct our behavior because it's now codified and and Home Depot won't sell it, so therefore I can't buy it. So, why are we why are we wasting our time with it if it's something that's going to be codified? And like I said, the decision will be made for us.

Yeah. So, super good question. I think honestly the part that I see there is it will be a lot of this will be done at the state. Um, and that'll be kind of a broad brush, but how does it get done here? And this provides, you know, those resources where it's like, okay, one of the examples I'm thinking of is a tradeout, you know, where you can trade your equipment and providing education to community members. So, it's like we the state's doing it, you know, and here's how we we don't want our community, we want our community to, you know, prosper and really have those um solutions. So, it's really kind of identifying the I think where the state has moved and then identifying solutions to help meet those needs here specifically. So, would it be almost like like the lowflow toilets and things like that? So, then it's up to the city to incentivize or work with more regional providers to do those things.

Exactly.

Okay. Thank you. That that helped me. And then my my my final question has to do with u and we've received significant um comments uh has to do with the airport. I appreciate very much that we as a city as as a planning commission have no control over what the airport does per se, but is there any verbiage in this that that and again this is a city council decision, not a planning commission, but that is instructive to city staff that wherever possible within our sphere of influence, we will assert ourselves and do things that will keep pressure on or encourage or you know you they can come up with the verbiage, but is there anything that's instructive to city staff on how they should engage in working with the airport because we shouldn't be silent. Okay, we can't control it, but we certainly shouldn't be silent on the topic.

Yeah, that's a really good question. I think we've talked about um specifically the off-road equipment going back to that just because there's there is that overlap um between sort of where it's where it's even though it's oper it's the county has operational control however it's being operated in Camaro for those those pieces of off-road equipment. So I think in particular that might be a really good place to provide some um kind of connectivity. I think um you know we've reached out and had some kind of preliminary conversations but I I like that idea of weaving it in to the plan as a as an action and saying hey you know for this let's continue that conversation. I know we've we in a lot of different uh measures we have actions that talk about regional collaboration, you know, community um kind of coordination, but I think specific to the airport, I don't know, Jackie if you have a different thought, but I think that makes a lot of sense. Yeah, I I think we wanted to um just make sure that we didn't commit ourselves to anything that we wouldn't be able to actually implement

or um achieve a target through mechanisms that we could not control. But I do understand the um and acknowledge um that we do want to partner where we can with um other agencies um and then support other um ways that the city can help support for example the county's plans um and continue to partner with them.

Okay. And I'm starting to get outside of my our pool. So, uh certainly these policy decisions and instructions to staff on how to conduct themselves with um for instance the airport is way beyond the planning commission. So, I'm going to I'll stop my comments there just recognizing though that I think it is important that staff be given direction on how to how that e that relationship should be. I'm not the person to say what that should be. So, I'll I'll end my statements with that and thank you for uh everything you had to say.

Thank you. Anything else? Um, I first want to start by thanking you for all of your work to develop the city's first ever climate action plan. So critical at this time and has been and I know this has been a years'sl long process and has included public engagement um participation as well. I have um several questions and and one I appreciate come uh Commissioner Robin uh my gosh why I'm off today. Robinson's um uh comment on the airport and I I agree that um and and recognize that there's a reason why you've carved out the airport due to the lack of control and authority. Um but one you mentioned in your report that the county um incorporates and is accounting for those emissions. I just want to confirm that that's the case. Of course, we we want to have an accurate as possible baseline uh without double counting. So, can you confirm that that is in fact included in the county's action plan?

Yep. And they have a general plan with a a climate action plan nest nested into it. Um and that's where it's found.

Okay, great. Um, and I I agree with a suggestion that uh there be a tension um and some guidelines and direction developed of how to collaborate with the county because this is here in our community. And in addition to greenhouse gas emissions, there are co-pollutants that also are emitted that do very much impact the the health of community members um around the airport, especially those that live there and are subject to increasing emissions from the airport. I also wonder if there is uh if the county is accounting for those emissions, is it feasible for the city to track those as well to have um have that portion of the or that source of emissions uh readily available um to the public. Um so that the public can easily track those without having to track down two different plans and sources of of information.

Yeah. So there can be a link. Absolutely. We could we could definitely link it uh to the county plan that that's not an issue at all. They have a really neat dashboard that I I don't know the um exact kind of calendar cycle that they updated on if it's an annual or every three years. Everybody kind of has a different cycle, but I have seen their um website really recently and it's it is super interactive. It's easy to use and so a link could be an easy an easy way to put in the plan and say, "Hey, you know, the county is also doing this." Um just so it's all all in one place.

Yeah. Great. Yeah. So the public can readily access that as anformational layer to our our action plan. As to the different sectors under the carbon sequestration, you have a community urban forest plan to be developed. I think it's it's fantastic and you have some specifics there and you have language about um prioritizing specific areas, some criteria there. And um you one of the major dangers when there is a local fire um is our our canopies and the the types of trees you know that um people have in their homes and around um uh businesses and for example eucalyptus trees are really abundant in our community as beautiful as they are and are native. They're also highly combustible. So the shrubs and trees are a large source of how quickly um and how dangerously the wildfires spread and the impacts to property and to life. So I uh recommend that you include language in there that prioritize native and um resistant uh fire resistant plants and and trees. So that'd be a focus area in the development of the urb urban forest plan. Awesome. We can we can definitely do that. And I think what you said makes a lot of sense, the native and fireresistant because I I've learned a lot recently about some natives, like you mentioned are not fire resistant. So, it's how do we how do we tie both of those in and make sure it's really healthy. I like that.

Great. Thanks. Also, you mentioned um a concierge um sort of a offering for businesses um and I suggest that it include a concierge or some sort of resource hub for residents as well, not just for businesses. I imagine that contractors would be included in businesses, but many times residents are, you know, it's it's such a task to learn about new technology and costs and suppliers and so um resource hubs and demonstration centers are ve very valuable for for residents.

Awesome. Yep, we can incorporate that. Uh the plan also proposes code amendments to require EV charging stations and new developments which I'm completely in support of. Um but I didn't see a similar requirement for solar rooftops is is did I overlook something? You did not. That's a requirement in Calgary. So we didn't include it. Um we were saying go above Cal Green for the EVs. Okay. Not for the solar though. I see. So that's incorporated. Absolutely.

Great. And uh finally, is a city collaborating with other cities or the county to coordinate on collective action? Yes, definitely. Um I am fortunate enough actually to be working with the county on their uh climate action priority plan that they're working on. They're it's kind of an interesting thing. It's it's funded by the EPA and we've been um you know in connection with the with all jurisdictions within the county but specifically uh the city of Camaro and there's been a lot of orchestration. And I actually uh had an email go out earlier today with uh the fleet team to Port Weini and Ventura so we could start to collaborate on grant funding opportunities because I I had seen somebody in at a conference uh who worked at the city of Ventura and they were like hey I'm looking at this thing and I was like somebody I I know the camera is doing that. I was like let me just connect you guys. Do you know each other? And they they didn't know each other. And so um I think that those things are are definitely happening and it it seems like there's a lot of collaboration at the city level. Right. Like like Hannah mentioned, um we are one of the cities that is participating with the county in their um is it CCAP?

Their CC cap county. Great. Thank you. Any other questions or comments for staff? I just Commissioner M. One thing just excuse me for people that are listening um for question for staff. Do we have one or two C city council members on the airport committee? the county airport committee. I can't say for certain exactly how many the number is um if it's if it's two or three. Okay. I I I don't want to misspeak.

Okay. But I I did want to put the point out there for anybody that's listening that the city does have council members that meet with other members throughout the county on the airport issues. So they would be a good point, you know, for somebody to bring any of the questions and stuff on the emissions and stuff like that to the airports. So just wanted to make that comment. Okay, Mr. Murphy.

Yes. Back to the airport. [laughter] Um, do you folks have an idea of the the scale of emissions that are produced by the airport? Camaro puts out 490k metric tons as of 2019. How many metric tons does the airport put out? Do do you do you have a feel for that? I don't off the top of my head. Um, I can definitely get that information from the county cap. I I don't know it. I don't know. Yep. Not not off the top of my head. I apologize.

No worries. I I just I just I think it underlines the need for very close coordination of of the city in this program if it moves forward um with with the county and in particular the airports. um possibly with CALR a as well for the and I won't ask the same question on through traffic for for the freeways um but they do go through our town the planes come up they fly over our town and they land in our town and [clears throat] the traffic from CALR the two state routes that run um through our city um quite a bit of that is through traffic um so close coordination with those two entities with CALR and Mur County airports for the Camrio airport I think is really important.

Awesome. Thank you. Okay. Not seeing any further comments or questions from the commission. I'll open it up for a public hearing or public comments. We have three comment cards. Um starting with David Gilbertson. Please state your name for the record. You have three minutes. I'm I'm David Gilbertson. I wonder if I could yield my time to these fine young people and then come back. Uh you mean go to Are you yielding your time or No, I I would just wait.

I see. Okay. I have them go first. Sure, that's fine. Okay. We have Eric uh Brushinger. Okay, cool. Hi. Um, do I have three minutes or just unlimited? Yes, three minutes.

Okay, cool. All right. Um, yeah, so I'm Eric Bersinger. Um, nice to be here. Um, I'm a graduate of UC Santa Barbara uh in environmental uh studies. Uh, and I now work for um the Santa Barbara County Fire Safe Council. I'm also a lifelong resident of of Camaro and currently live here still. Uh, love it. Uh, and I'm been involved with environmental work for like six years. Uh, so I want to thank you first for uh, following through with this climate action plan. Uh, I've personally been lobbying the city council to for to u create one of these for years honestly. U, so it's great to see it finally coming to fruition. Um my expertise now nowadays is in wildfire resiliency. So I want to specifically talk about that uh as regards to this uh climate action plan. I read through it and didn't see too much at all about wildfire resiliency. Um and that kind of concerns me especially considering we had the mountain fire um not too long ago and that really impacted our our city. Um [clears throat] I would argue it really it falls under the jurisdiction of the city because as we have seen uh wildfires are increasingly approaching upon urban landscapes now not just hillsides. Uh and I was in Altadena recently or not recently but uh earlier this year and saw the devastation and just how mindboggling it was that something so horrific could happen. Uh some are so close to home. Um, and I saw, you know, a lot of similarities between Camaro and Altadena, and, you know, something like that could could happen here. So, I want to make sure we're doing what what we can to prevent that. Um, at my job, uh, I run I basically run the, um, home hardening program. Uh, we have a rebate program actually. Um, and it's a really great opportunity, um, where we can offer homeowners up to

$2,500, uh, to do home hardening, retrofits, uh, primarily lowcost retrofits. Um, and those lowcost things can really mean the difference between losing your home entirely or it saving your home. um something as cheap as a you know $20 vent installation um can can mean that difference. Uh and also another thing we we do at work is we work with firewise communities. Uh I I don't I I don't think Camaroo has any firewise communities as it stands and I think there should be something included in the climate action plan to promote the creation of more firewise communities. Um they save lives, they create more of a sense of community. Um, and yeah, those are basically my two main recommendations is the creation of more fire wise communities and also potentially the establishing of a of a a fund for doing a home hardening rebate program um that can save lives and save people's homes. So, thank you.

Thank you. Okay, next we have Molly McCoy.

Good evening, Planning Commission. My name is Molly McCoy. I'm a lifelong Camrio resident and recent urban planning graduate from UC Davis. As someone who's worked on a climate action plan, I commend the cities and ringcon's hard work and dedication. There's a lot to celebrate and look forward to. I especially appreciate the consideration for lowincome and disadvantaged communities, climate resilience, co-benefit opportunities, and the commitment to tracking key indicators along the way. And I truly hope this plan can come to life off the shelf and be implemented in full. Which is why I'd like to remind the city that beyond grant agency funding. There's an extra opportunity on the table, which is the California climate super fund, Cameo has a chance to pass a local resolution to support the state policy, which will be on the voting block in January. It would open the door to lots of extra city funding. Back to the plan, there are a few actions that could use some improvement, particularly from the mobility and land use measures. I would implore the city to consider increasing 2030's active transportation mode share percentage rather than simply maintaining it at 4% plus increasing 2045's goal to 10% if possible which would align with SCAG's co connect SoCal goal. I'm also concerned about the proposed public transit mode share p portions both of which are too low to make any significant impact on local VMT reduction. It would only prolong Camaro's dependence on cars for intra in intercity travel. I completely understand the bigoting the biggest uh limiting factor here is infrastructure capacity and jurisdictional responsibility, but the city could be doing more to raise public awareness about the available transportation alternatives and ticket options like Metroink's SoCal Day pass or Amtrak student discount.

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Cameo should also work with local partners and community groups to encourage residents to walk, bike, or take the cat or trolley for small trips, as well as offer mobility wallets for riders with greater barriers to access and get both those percentages up by the end of the decade. For community engagement and education events, for transportation climate programs in general, I would strongly recommend the city review Ventura County and Santa Barbara County's active transportation plans, which had a lot of creative and exciting community events to pull inspiration from. I greatly appreciate the plan's commu current community approach and just want to make sure these education and engagement actions are followed through and don't just live on paper. I attended one of the city's climate workshops earlier this fall and was really impressed by city and recon planning staff and really hope to see more creative events and opportunities in the future as the cap comes to life. Above all, this is an incredible plan and a huge round of applause to all those who worked on it. This is a big step forward for Camerio's climate progress. Thank you.

Thank you, Miss McCoy. David Gilbertson.

Uh, thank you, Chair Leone and commissioners. Appreciate the opportunity to speak with you and thank you for your public service. Also wish to thank staff and the consultant Ridcon for marvelous work. A lot of time and effort was put into this. At last, Camaro is moving forward with a climate action plan. Uh so I wish to comment on the uh commission's regul resolution to adopt it. I I think it's critical that our city of Camaro is doing our part in reducing greenhouse gas emissions and that we partner with the county as well as the state and other cities in Ventura County. Obviously, you've heard that Ventura County seems to be one of the fastest warming counties in the lower 48 states. So, it's about time we got busy. I really appreciate uh Vice Chair Davidson, your comment, uh Commissioner Murphy, Chair Leone on the airport. I think that that's critical that this is part of the climate action plan. as a former city of Seattle of employee. Uh there are some areas though I'm concerned about and I doubt you have a big piggy bank. I'm concerned about funding and implementation and I'm not sure how much the commission can do to put teeth in the resolution but here it is. These plans can be put together and then they end up sitting on a shelf because they're unfunded. We need to act on funding. So, I recommend that we establish a dedicated funding source for cap implementation, perhaps considering a municipal bond levy or some kind of greenhouse gas reduction tax. I don't think you're going to see federal money coming our way. The state will help as much as they can. Camaro needs to

develop a budget for the upcoming year where our city needs to prioritize the cap and leverage as much as we can state and federal and private funding. Camaro needs to have an adequate level of staffing to apply and administer federal and state grants to support the climate action plan. The CAP identifies specific city departments as responsible for implementation. I like that. Department directors need to identify the resources they need to meet the cap's greenhouse gas emission reductions, perhaps even putting it in their work performance plan. Camaro should aggressively be pursuing clean energy job creation as part of our economic development priorities. Perhaps a potential funding source is if the state moves forward with a polluters pay legislation. In terms of community engagement and informed public, I really recommend we establish a resident's climate action plan advisory board. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Gilbertson. And last, we have uh Mr. uh Steve Doce.

Good evening once again, ladies and gentlemen. Steve Doce, AICP, have a master's degree in urban planning from the University of Michigan. Um something that the vice chair mentioned uh earlier kind of piqu my attention when he mentioned it. Uh some of the uh items are not really within the ability of the purview of the city to address and was wondering whether the state was going to to regulate them. So I have a question for the deputy city attorney. Does the charter process from the state allow the city to regulate the types of appliances and or equipment used by landscapers or industries or anything within the city? C can the city like regulate that a an industry can only use an electric a forklift for example?

Thank you for your comment. Um you can continue speaking. No, I need to know the answer if if you know it. If you don't know it, that's fine. Please continue with your comment.

Okie dokie. Um, I've only worked outside the state of California, so I'm not sure about the the the different jurisdictional regulations between the city and state, but where I've worked and the city had that authority. And so my suggestion would be that uh it's nice to blame the state when you're making a decision that the public might find unpalatable, but um it I I would ask you not to abdicate your responsibilities to better the city's environment uh by not using the powers that the state has given you to regulate to only allow electric leaf blowers instead of gas powered or any of those items that may affect the uh the climate. So, thank you.

Thank you. Any other public comments? Okay. We also received several public comments via email. I believe them a majority if not all of them were also um commented on the um airport emissions. Okay. Seeing no further public comments, we'll close a public hearing. Um commissioners, is it now the time for our discussion? any comments?

I just wanted to comment. I thought it was a welldone report and the input from the commissioners uh was was wonderful and I think we hit the hit all the things that um that that I was concerned about on it and so well well done. Thank you. [clears throat] Thank you. I'm going to say yes. It was very thorough. Much of it was over my head to start with. [laughter]

I think I needed a whole class to go through all of the charts and everything, but um as I went through it, kind of got the gist of what I was looking at and I did like enjoy that it is as thorough as it is. And then the discussions tonight also ties into so many things that I've personally you have been reading about when we get talking at Leisure Village and having to go to electric yard uses and you know what we're going to have to trade out as far as batteries from motors and and things like that and how much of that is is dictated by the state and by what days it has to be done and that you know they can't be sold in what can't be sold in the stores anymore. So, [clears throat] it's interesting to read through this and see what we're doing and what we have to deal with and what the city's dealing with and what the county is dealing with. So, I did enjoy what I got through all of [laughter] it. So, thank you very much.

I I do have an answer for you, Commissioner Vanderm, on the um we do have two council appointments that sit on the Ventura County Airport Authority and one alternate. So, um, hopefully that answered your question. And then I also wanted to, um, just make a comment on some of the public comments that we received tonight. Um, one of the commenters aptly made the connection between climate change and wildfire. And then, as you, uh, remember, we just took the safety element to the planning commission this year and that got adopted by the council. Um so in the safety element we also have a a number of uh implementation actions which do include uh those items that were discussed such as firewise communities um home hardening and um things to safeguard um you know structures from the um damage from wildfire. Thank you, Commissioner Murphy.

Yes. And [clears throat] I hope I'm not [snorts] splitting hairs here, but in that the the last slide, there were three steps that were mentioned implementation, monitoring, and and tracking. I believe um and I think that before implementation on the basis of the discussion and the input that we have received um there should be strategizing there should you know start with strategy um where is our biggest bang for the buck where would we start actually implementing to make the best um difference the the quickest uh impact [snorts] um and um you know look at what state programs are going to be out there either are in place um or um or nearby that would enable the city to uh take out some of these items that they were going to go into. So I think rather than jump in fully and start with all of these sectors and and measures, uh the city should strategize on which ones to go after first. Um and between strategy and and implementation budget, I mean I think it's really important to to set a budget for these items. Do we do we have the monies either through through what the city has now or the state programs that may be available? Um, but the money has to be in place really before we undertake such a a large uh program like this. I'm I'm in support of it. I'm excited um about it. Um but maybe a little bit of walking before running uh is advisable. Thank you. anything else?

Okay. Well, I want to thank you again for all of your hard work to get us to this point and um get us walking. I think um a lot of you have already been walking and and moving the city forward, but um we of course have to be much more deliberate and focused and we will learn uh of of resources and practices along the way with especially with collective action and there's a lot of expertise even from um some of the the members of the public who who commented here today. Uh so thank you again for your perseverance uh to develop this draft and also thank you to the members of the public who came took time out of this evening to provide us with your expertise and and comments and particularly for the younger people. Um you and younger generations of course have much more at stake here and so I understand the um urgency um that you are expressing. Um we here in inventur county were already very much feeling the impacts from um the shift in global temperatures and and weather. Uh as was mentioned we're one of the fastest warming counties in the country. Uh we see it in the record heat in our weather patterns that are now um have been upended. Uh devastating wildfires um and rising sea levels as we you know are um not a coastal town but very close. Um and all of these are changing our ecosystem and threatening lives and um property and and just overall livelihoods. And these are based on it's based on scientific facts. Um which established that this change is driven primarily by the increase of greenhouse gas emissions. Uh which means that we can and must take action to secure our climate. And local action is just as important as state, national, and and global action. and we can't, in my opinion, can't afford to not um not do so. And I I think that we can all agree

that protecting the health and safety of our residents is um paramount, especially for vulnerable populations like our senior population and children, farm workers and other workers who labor in outdoor um conditions. And we of course have to protect our water source, our food sources, our agricultural economy. Um and as energy prices rise, residents need access to reliable, safe and affordable um energy infrastructure. So this climate action plan can create new economic growth and uh clean energy jobs. And as was was mentioned, we we have to act in a way that is both feasible and within our legal authority. But there's so much that we can do here at the local level. um from building out the unnecessary infrastructure um providing economic and other incentives for even voluntary action when it can be mandated, providing education um modeling uh changes and and uh new technology for residents and um just overall efforts to save consumers um money as well, especially in these trying times. So I am in full support and I'm um also very much looking forward to the implementation of this plan. Okay. And unless there are any other comments, Mr. Anel. No,

just just commenting. I thought our public input today was exceptional. I I learned a lot. So, thank you for coming out and go Aggies, by the way. Yeah. [laughter] And with that, I'll call for a resolution. Resolution number PC2025-11, a resolution recommending to the city council the approval of the climate action plan. And I'll move we uh wave further reading and and move to a vote. I'll second.

Um actually I have I have a question about this. So, we there were a number of suggestions throughout um and I'm wondering whether we should first have those amendments made to the climate action plan and have it come back or I understand that there's also a time frame when we want to get those to the city council. Um, so I want to just confirm that those recommendations that the amendments were captured. Certainly, we can um incorporate the comments that you provided that you would like to have us make um to the climate action plan before we take it to the city council.

Okay. So then I would amend that motion that we um weigh further reading pending the future comments to be sent to the city council and then move to vote do it.

Chair, members of the commission. So there's a couple different ways the commission can handle this. It could uh just direct staff to incorporate those changes into the climate action plan and take it directly to council thereafter or it could choose to have the climate action plan returned to the planning commission. Yeah, I if that's why I asked whether you feel you've captured all of the comments because um again this has been a years'sl long process and so I wouldn't want to unnecessarily delay it going to the council. Um would you mind going through your notes to ensure that we've captured all of the recommendations?

Right. And then what what we also do is um or what I do is I spend time uh re-watching the video and taking very copious notes to make sure that I don't miss anything. Um but I I have a few notes. um you did want to uh see a pie chart that kind of demonstrates how much greenhouse gas emissions each of these um measures and actions would reduce by. Um that we can certainly add that. um you wanted to see language where the city um would we it would encourage partnerships where we can with other um agencies um and and their efforts. Um you wanted to see that uh we had confirmation that the airport emissions were accounted for in the county cap. Uh we will also include that you know we will provide information to the public so that they can see the emissions from the airport so that um is uh being available to the public to be able to see see that. Um he also wanted to prioritize native and fire resistant plants and trees in the urban forest plan. um to also add a concierge for residents and then to start with actions that gave the most bang for the buck and strategize by um addressing those first and then was there anything else? Commissioner Davidson had a a particular suggestion about collaboration with the county on the airport and ensuring that the there's direction and guidance to the

staff. I I don't want to speak for you, but direction and guidance to the staff on how to best do so and what actions can be taken within the control and authority of the city even if there isn't legal authority to require actions. Anything else to capture that? Yeah, I wasn't sure that it could be pardon me. I wasn't sure it could be actually written into the document. Maybe that was more a public comment for our our council members to hear u because I'm not that's a more of a a recommendation to council to to do that with staff. But if it can be incorporated that it's a goal, then I would I'd certainly welcome that. Um, might I add, um, with the re-watching, I I think you hit a lot of the high points and I've found staff to be very responsive with respect to these more, um, general directions. And, uh, just me speaking for myself, I'd be comfortable, um, taking council's, uh, view of directing them to incorporate all of them and, um, I'd have a deep level of confidence that would be done to our um, satisfaction.

Thank you. I agree. I do, too. So com there is a motion by Commissioner Vandermillan that's been seconded by Commissioner Murphy to adopt the resolution.

And chair I apologize if I may one more time. There was some public comment that was made concerning the planning commission uh requiring funding sources or otherwise imposing taxes. So just as a brief reminder for the commission for the record and benefit of staff I'm sorry the public um the planning commission is a commission of limited jurisdiction. So the commission is limited to land use planning zoning matters. Um and in this capacity it's acting in an advisory capacity of the city council on this climate action plan. So uh funding sources and imposing taxes are not something that's before the planning commission. And as far as I understand it's also not something that's being incorporated into the climate action plan or the resolution that recommends approval of the climate action plan.

Thank you for that clarification. Yes, it's it's um not before us and it's outside of our jurisdiction, outside of our authority. Okay. And so did that motion stand as I stated it as far as we're including the motion remains. Correct. Yes. It's waiting for a second. Yeah. We have a second by Commissioner Murphy, I believe. Right. Okay. So, we're ready for a vote. Commissioner Vanderm, yes. Commissioner Murphy, yes. Commissioner Edel, yes. Vice Chair Davidson, yes. Chair Leon,

yes. Okay. And with that, the resolution, the motion passes. Thank you. Okay. Now, moving on. I know this is um now moved us into almost 8:00 p.m. We have the director's report.

Yes. Thank you. So, our next meeting will be on December 2nd and that will be the last meeting of the year. And we do have a few items that are tracking for that meeting and then we're looking at um starting off the new year by having our first planning commission meeting being held on January 6. So, that completes the director's report. Thank you. Any other commission comments to close us out? All right. Great. Then I adjourn the meeting.