City Council - Regular Meeting

16th, 2026 City Council meeting. And if you would, please silence your electronic devices. Mayor Beth Kennett is absent and excused from tonight's meeting. We have a quorum, so therefore we will proceed. At this time, I'll ask Council Member Ian Baltudis for the invocation.

Thank you, Mayor. We are thankful for this day that has been given to us, for its opportunities and its challenges. We ask for strength, insight, wisdom, and guidance as we forge ahead. During this month of pride, we are reminded of the power of acceptance and the dignity of every person. Guide us in our decisions so that we are actively building a strong and loving community, one where all of our neighbors know they belong. Keep in mind always these enduring values of life. May we exert our efforts in those areas and on those things which future generations can build with confidence. Thank you.

Amen. Okay, the first item, we have two proclamations this evening and we'll follow the protocol that we have followed in the past. I will read the proclamation. The first one is the LGBTQ Plus Pride Month and then I'll step down and make the presentation. And I think, as usual, there's some photographs made of the occasion, but first I'll read the proclamation. As the City of Burlington, North Carolina proclamation recognized, well, I'm sorry, recognizing LGBTQ plus Pride Month, June 2026. Pride Month is observed each year in June to coincide with the anniversary of the 1969 Stonewall riots when the NYPD raided the Stonewall Inn, a place where the lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, and queer community felt safe. This event marked the beginning of transforming the oppression of LGBTQ plus people into calls of pride and action. And whereas Pride Month highlights the need for a safer and fairer world for marginalized people and celebrates the contributions of LGBTQ plus people. And whereas in the past 12 months, the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation tracked 932 anti-LGBTQ plus incidents across the United States. And whereas LGBTQ plus youth are four times more likely to attempt suicide than their straight peers and up to 82% of the LGBTQ plus youth report feeling unsafe at school due to their sexual orientation or gender identity. And whereas Burlington has a diverse LGBTQ plus community, which includes individuals from all walks of life, including doctors, lawyers, police officers, nurses, construction workers, professionals of all types, teachers and religious leaders. And whereas Burlington's LGBTQ plus community has a right to feel safe and not live with the fear of harassment or persecution and to not be discriminated against. And whereas we must be attentive that while we have overcome difficult obstacles, we must continue to practice and teach acceptance and inclusion because all people are worthy to belong. Now, therefore, be it resolved that Mayor Beth Kennett and the Burlington City Council do hereby proclaim the month of June 2026 as LGBTQ plus Pride Month in the city of Burlington, North Carolina, and commend its observance to all residents. This is the 16th day of June 2026. I believe Mr. Kemp Smith. Okay, the next proclamation would be City of Burlington, North Carolina Proclamation recognizing Juneteenth, 2026. Whereas Juneteenth has been celebrated annually since June 19, 1866 to mark the abolition of sanctioned slavery in the United States, And whereas on September 22, 1862, President Abraham Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation declaring that as of January 1, 1863, all enslaved people in the rebellious areas would be thenceforward and forever free. is changing the nature of the Civil War. And whereas the news of freedom disseminated gradually throughout the nation, on June 19, 1865, two months after the official surrender of the Confederacy at Appomattox, Union soldiers arrived at Galveston, Texas and issued General Order No. 3 announcing freedom to some of the last enslaved people in the United States. And whereas Juneteenth is the oldest black American holiday, that observes and commemorates the day when a quarter of a million enslaved people learned of their freedom two and a half years after the signing of the Emancipation Proclamation. And whereas on this anniversary each year, organizations and individuals throughout North Carolina and our nation celebrate African American history, heritage, culture, freedom, with events and ceremonies that reflect the power of community, family, art, and tradition in the face of oppression. And whereas the city of Burlington is proud to host the sixth annual Juneteenth celebration beginning at 6 p.m. on Friday, June 19th at North Park Ball Field. And now, therefore, it be it resolved that Mayor Beth Kennett and the Burlington City Council do hereby proclaim June 19th, 2026 as Juneteenth in Burlington, North Carolina, and encourage all residents to join in the celebration of freedom that Juneteenth represents and continue our efforts to help make Burlington a community that is a welcoming place where all have the opportunity to thrive. This is the 16th day of June 2026. and i believe that we have uh recreation superintendent bobby ruffin and north park recreation center supervisor zion cash okay

We'll turn it over to Bobby Levine.

So first of all, thank you all so much for the recognition and the proclamation today. We are excited about the sixth annual Juneteenth celebration that will be at North Park, as we heard before. I want to make it clear that we were the first in the county to host a Juneteenth celebration. and i'm very proud of that for us to be trailblazers friday celebration will be a lot we'll have free food and giveaways and there'll be about 25 community organizations there doing a resource fair we'll have vendors performances from some of our recreation and parks organizations as well what am i missing zion Oh, right. We actually hosted an art contest for middle school students. So the winning artist was a middle school student from Graham. She wins $100. It's just donated from community members as well as her artwork will be featured on the bag that's given away to citizens. And then at 8 p.m. we will have an outdoor movie. We're watching the Black Panther together. So we hope that you all will come out and we look forward to seeing you.

Thank you very much.

Thank you so much.

At this time, I'll recognize City Clerk Beverly Smith.

Members of Council, it is my responsibility to remind you of your duty to avoid conflicts of interest.

Next item is adoption of the agenda. I have a motion to adopt the agenda.

Motion approved.

Second. All in favor indicate aye. Aye. The agenda is adopted. The consent agenda, these items are typically non-controversial, but if anybody has any questions about anything on here, just let us know and we can certainly pull it. okay i will proceed to read the consent agenda a to approve a revised map for the economic development priority grant program to include rawhut street and graham hopedale road Item B, to approve a utility request for water and sewer service at property located at 1303 El Rado Street and defer the public hearing and consideration of the applicant's petition for annexation to a future date pursuant to NCGS 160D-202, Burlington City Code 40-40 in the terms of the annexation agreement executed by the applicant and the city filed in the Alamance County Register of Deeds. Item C, to approve a temporary street closing for the following locations during the Fourth Friday special events in downtown Burlington on July 24th, August 26th, and September 25th from 1 p.m. until 11 p.m. Front Street from Spring Street to Lexington Avenue, partial closure of City Lot Number 1, portion of the lot located at Spring Front Intersection. Item D, to approve budget amendment 26-41 for the fire department to allocate donations received in the fiscal year 25-26 to be used to purchase supplies and for capital improvements. Item E, to approve budget amendment 2026-42 for emergency management. to allocate grant funds received from the United Way of Alamance for the distribution of emergency preparedness kits in the community. Item F, to approve budget amendment 2026-43 for recreation and parks to allocate donations received in fiscal year 25-26 to be used for equipment, supplies, and senior program trip expenses. Item G, to approve budget amendment 2026-43 for Burlington Animal Services to allocate donations to be used for medical care of animals at BAS community pet health support services and advertising of adoptable pets. Item H, to approve budget amendment 2026-45 for all funds as a fiscal year ended June 30, 2026. i have a motion to approve a consent agenda so moved second all in favor indicate by consent agenda has been approved i believe we have two public hearings tonight the first of which is uh public hearing has been scheduled for the city council consider men in the existing conditional residential cr943 zoning district for three properties address is 3715 garden road and located northwest of the Garden Road and St. Mark's Church Road intersection. The track is 4.45 acres in size and consists of Alamance County Tax Identification Numbers, PIDs 10700, 107001, and 107002. At this time, I'll recognize Executive Director of Planning and Development, Jamie Lawson. Jamie?

good evening everyone this item was presented to you at the june 1st work session and so um essentially i'll i'll go through the slides again just in case anybody has any questions this is a request to amend a previously approved conditional rezoning conditional rezonings were approved by city council before the udo was adopted so this is pre-2019. Property is identified here in Teal. It is at the corner of Garden Road and St. Mark's Church Road. The only change that is requested during this amendment is to remove reference to a previously attached site plan that went through the trc process way back when the applicant is still interested in pursuing this project they just didn't want they had to make some changes with respect to the previously approved plan So in essence, we have come forth with an amendment just to remove that reference only. All of the other use conditions that you see on the slide and the development conditions, those are all carried forward from the previously approved conditional rezoning. the trc also reviewed the trc site plan which is attached and they approved it back in april staff does recommend this rezoning request it is consistent with the future land use designation of the area and like i said it's really not changing anything with respect to the development at all it's just that they want to modernize their site plan Any questions?

Any questions from members of city council? Okay, this is a public hearing. I'll open the floor for public comments, and I'll ask if anyone on this side of the chamber has any comments or remarks. I'll recognize you, sir. Please come forward. If you give your name and address, please.

Vince Thompson, 1A Wendy Court, Greensboro. I'm a civil engineer that's been working on the plan, and basically the developer bought this property from the people who rezoned it, and the buildings that he plans to put there are of different footprint, and the site plan that was approved, I simply can't make it work, and that's why we're trying to get the site plan removed from the conditional rezoning, but we're fine with all the rest of the conditions. So I just wanted to mention that. That's all I have. Do you have any questions for me as an engineer?

Any councilman have a question? All right. Thank you very much.

Okay, thank you.

Anyone on this side of the room have any comments about this item? It doesn't appear that anybody has any comments at this time. I'll entertain a motion to close the public hearing.

Second. Second.

All in favor indicate aye. Aye. The public hearing is closed. At this time I'll entertain a motion to approve or deny this request.

So moved.

Per our wonderful legislative statutes.

So I'll motion to approve as consistent with our land use plan. I make a motion to approve the request to amend the existing conditional residential CR 943 zoning district for three properties addressed as 3715 Garden Road and located northwest of Garden Road and St. Mark's Church Road intersection. tract is 4.45 acres in size and consists of alamance county tax identification numbers one zero seven zero zero zero one zero seven zero zero one one zero seven zero zero two this motion is based upon the consistency of the proposed rezoning with the comprehensive plan in that the future land use map in section four land use of the comprehensive plan calls for this area to be traditional residential There is no change to the type of development, density, or development conditions from the original conditional residential approval in 2016, except the applicant is seeking to remove the reference to the 2016 site plan. This action is reasonable and in the public interest in that the existing zoning and requested amendment is consistent with the future land use designation for the area.

slide in with a second okay we have a second here all in favor indicate by the zoning request has been approved thank you for coming the next item is the public hearing has been scheduled for the City Council to consider adopting a resolution modifying the following proposed stormwater management utilities fees I'm going to read this. I think I need to read it, and it sort of sets the tone and the stage for Amy's presentation. The elements of it, at the single-family residential, there will be a flat monthly fee of $6 per parcel effective July 1, 2026, and as she will indicate, that's dropping from $7 to $6. That's a good report. Multifamily and non-residential, a rate of $6 per month for each equivalent residential unit, better known as ERU, calculated based on the property's impervious surface area. The total monthly fee shall be calculated by dividing the total measured impervious surface area of the parcel by the square footage of one ERU rounded to the nearest whole unit effective January 1, 2027. There will be a phased implementation. The fees will be phased in over a five-year period for multifamily and non-residential properties. At this time, I'll recognize Assistant Director of Water Resources, Amy Barber. Amy, take it away.

Thank you, Council. Tonight we're here to just provide a very brief overview of the proposed stormwater fee modification. This modification is proposed to help alleviate the stormwater division and the city of flooding concerns and other stormwater management issues going on around the city as development continues. So in the presentation, I'll provide a brief background of the stormwater fee, the fee structure evaluation results, and the proposed fee structure that we're discussing tonight. And then we'll open the floor up for public discussion. So when rainwater precipitation falls to the ground on a natural surface, such as grass or other natural surfaces, it gets soaked into the ground, soaked into the soil. It doesn't run off the surface like stormwater runoff from impervious areas does. Impervious areas is anything such as building rooftops, roadways, sidewalks, parking lots. When precipitation falls on these surfaces, it flows off, picks up pollutants, and enters our streams and other waterways and increases our flooding events in the city. Currently, the city of Burlington charges a stormwater utility fee to help manage this stormwater runoff. It's currently a flat rate of $7 a month, and that is a flat rate for both residential properties and non-single-family residential properties as well. The proposed fee is driven by inequities that we're seeing across the city as we have a lot of large businesses, large impervious areas that are contributing to the stormwater runoff, but paying the same amount as residents in the city that have smaller impervious area impacts. And we also, as we are seeing increased urbanization, we're going to see increased amounts of impervious areas. So this is to help, uh, help align with that growth and development in the city. Uh, and we also have a growing list of critical stormwater infrastructure projects that needs updating, uh, and, um, this stormwater fee change or modification will help to fund these projects. In 2019, the city worked with a consultant, Ruff Tellis, to evaluate the current stormwater fee and propose alternative structures to the stormwater fee. In that evaluation, we found that there's a severe revenue deficit when we looked at the demand for infrastructure and the demands for flooding and other projects. We have a project backlog. And our current fee structure we found is burdening single-family residential homeowners, our properties. And implementing this fee change will produce an additional $1.8 million over a five-year period in revenue for managing stormwater in the city. The proposed fee structure. So based on local mapping, the average amount of impervious surface area in a single family residential lot is 2,950 square feet. This is the value for one equivalent residential unit or ERU, which is what I'll refer to equivalent residential unit as. We're proposing to use that as a baseline for the equation to figure out um the monthly bill or cost for non-single family residential properties for residential properties we're proposing to reduce the fee from seven dollars a month to six dollars a month and it would stay a flat rate non-single family residential properties would be based on impervious surface area so the formula would be the total square footage of that impervious surface area and divided by that base unit of 2,950 square feet. That would give you the number of ERUs on the property. So I have an example up here, 29,500 square feet would be billed for 10 ERUs. To help alleviate that initial shock for businesses in the city, we're proposing to phase this modification in over a five-year period, increasing at 20% increments. So as you see up here, year one, they would be charged 20% of that total ERU, etc. um we did to also help alleviate some of the the fee shock for businesses we're proposing a fee or a credit policy framework and in that credit policy framework we can provide up to a 40 reduction of these stormwater fees if there is some stormwater best management practice or stormwater control measure on the property or that gets implemented on the property And again, it can provide up to a 40% reduction. Owners will just have to certify that they've implemented and approved best management practice. And now we can open up.

Any questions? Thank you very much. Any council members have any questions of Amy?

So in addition to the credit process, I just want to confirm, we've talked about that the ERU calculation can be updated should a property owner make changes to their property to reduce impervious service. Correct. And so they'll be able to work with you all to then reduce that burden if they take action. Yes. Okay. Thank you.

Any more questions?

Thank you very much. This is a public hearing and we'll do like we did the previous hearing. I'll ask if anybody on this side of the room would like to make any comments about this policy. Not seeing none, I'll move to this side. Anybody on this side would like to make any comments? Apparently there's no comments on this from the public. At this point, I'll entertain a motion. We close the public hearing. motion approved have a second second all in favor aye the public hearing is closed and we'll uh i'd like to say a word or two about this myself and i'll be very very brief this is really as this council has worked very very hard And we worked over a period of months, and I'm using Jeff's nice words here. We feel like it's fair. You know, we've worked on it. We want it to be fair. We knew what we had was really not fair. So our goal, part of it, quite frankly, was to be fair. And I honestly believe that it is fair. It's going to be phased in over a period of five years. And like I said, Amy, we have a backlog of things we can do. How long will it take us to get to $1.8 million? over five years. So that, quite frankly, well, we need a lot more than that. At least that would be a start. Well, anyway, I won't go on and on. This has really been, you know, I don't know. I can truthfully say that this council has worked very hard to come to this point. So let me stop there and ask if any council members would like to make any remarks.

Well, I'll just kind of second your remarks. This conversation has been going on since way back when I first got elected mayor. This is part of a larger conversation about resilience in the community and how we deal with stormwater. And while we didn't have any public comments tonight, what we have had is numerous comments and stories from folks who are dealing with floodwaters in their backyards and in their homes over the years. And that's really what shaped both this policy and the way these funds will be deployed over the coming years. And so I thank everyone who's been involved in this long conversation. All staff have delivered us reams of paper and numbers and analysis of how we shaped these final calculations. And I'm very pleased with how this all came together to both enable property owners with tools to reduce the burden on them. At the same time, we've really leveled how these funds are collected in a way that does remove that burden from single-family homes.

thank you everyone anyone else on the council uh one final remark uh again i mentioned that the council worked hard the staff had worked even harder ralph tell us we thank you i mean we i believe we have a very good policy so i'll stop with that and just at this point i'll entertain a motion uh that we adopt the the policy as proposed second all in favor indicate by the policy is approved okay we're down to public comments I will I believe we have one I believe this is it okay I hope I pronounced the name. It's Ilsa Spahn. Spahn. Spahn. Okay. Did I get close? You got close. Okay. I've got your name and address, but for the record, if you state your name and give the address again, I would appreciate it.

My name is Ilsa Spahn, 609 Trollander Street, Burlington.

Thank you. Just proceed with your remarks.

Okay. This is a topic I'm very passionate about. Good evening members of the Burlington City Council. My name is Ilse Spahn, a proud citizen of Burlington for nearly 20 years now. I love Alamance County, the people in it, and its rich history of being independent and self-reliant. Today I come here with a deep concern over the growing use of automated license plate readers or ALPR cameras such as flock safety and the over 50 ALPR cameras that are currently installed in our city. We are told the surveillance is for our safety, but according to my research, less than 1% of scanned vehicles are tied to any crime. Meanwhile, 100% of drivers have their sensitive location data pooled, stored and shared with hundreds of out-of-state agencies and federal authorities without their consent. Flock Safety and other ALPR cameras apply machine learning to the footage they capture. They identify important details that traditional LPR cameras overlook. Besides just the license plate reader, these cameras capture and organize vehicles into categories based on make, model, color, resident or non-resident vehicle, timestamp, type of plate, and unique identifiers such as vehicle damage and alterations. and they even logged the bumper stickers on our vehicles. These cameras may be helpful to solve some crimes, however, not at the cost of our Fourth Amendment constitutional right by enabling warrantless searches of an individual's historical location data. Personally, I do not consent to my everyday whereabouts being tracked, recorded, and shared with a federal database without my knowledge or just cause. Even some of my friends don't understand the implication of what this sets up for future privacy concerns of our citizens. I don't have anything to hide. Why should I be concerned? Well, this is just the beginning. And we have a choice whether or not to sell our personal data to the highest bidder. Be forewarned. Once we give away our rights, even at this local level, we risk losing the protections the founders of the Bill of Rights of our United States Constitution provided to us. The question before us is not whether these cameras can help solve crimes. The question is whether the public fully understands the scope of the data being collected and stored along with the system's vulnerabilities. If this system is going to be implemented, and it has, citizens deserve a complete and honest explanation of its capabilities, limitations, and privacy implications. At least 50 other cities and municipalities have canceled or ended their contracts or suspended their ALPR systems due to mounting residents concerns regarding mass surveillance and data privacy. I ask that discussions on how to proceed with these cameras in our city be transparent on a local level and that the city's data retention policy and methods of oversight are known. I ask that decisions on how to proceed with these cameras in our city are made with feedback from this City Council and our community when the terms of the cameras are renegotiated. Thank you.

Thank you very much. What I'd like to do at this point, if the council agrees, I would like to ask that Ms. Vaughn talk with our chief to get the conversation going. I wouldn't foreclose it coming back to this body, but if you would, if you wouldn't mind, maybe Chief Balogh would arrange an appointment, sit down and talk with you. And then, again, later, it may be coming back before this body, but... I'm somewhat familiar with the Fourth Amendment. It'd be a topic we could spend the rest of the evening on. But in any event, let's use that as a process and we certainly appreciate you coming. Thank you very much.

Thank you. Council people.

I don't, there's nobody else that signed up. Anybody else would like to make any comments? David?

Okay.

All right, let's see. Okay, we have some events coming up. The city will be hosting two public meetings seeking input for the 26-27 annual action plan for the CDBG and HOME program. You can attend these meetings at Prior Child Community Center on June 23rd, 2026 at 6 p.m. and Mako Bigelow Center on June 25, 2026, 6 p.m. The next item is the City of Burlington's Administration Office will be closed Friday, July 3, for Independence Day. The City of Burlington is hosting several events to celebrate the United States' 250th anniversary. Golden Harmonies is performing a patriotic showcase on Tuesday, June 26, at 1 p.m. at the Knodel Senior Center. We the people by Alamance Peacemakers Quilt Guild, and that's P-I-E-C-E, Peacemakers Quilt Guild, will have a commemorative quilt on display from July 1 to July 31 in the city hall. And finally, on July 3rd in the park, July the 3rd in the park will take place in the city park from 5 p.m. to 9 p.m., including a spectacular fireworks show. And the next city council meetings will be July 6th at 7 p.m. with a work session the day before on July the 5th at 5 p.m. I tell you today, it's going to be a spectacular show.

It's the biggest firework show we've ever had as far as shells and so forth. It's maybe not the length of the show, but the content. And we also have paratroopers coming into City Park, field number one, hopefully.

Okay, weather permitted.

All right, well, thank you very much. I'll turn to the council. Ian?

Yeah, I have one comment. We had some conversations the other meeting with our budget regarding affordable housing, and I think we have a number of boards and commissions that we're reviewing now, but I would love for the council to consider some type of housing commission around affordable housing in particular, possibly as an advisory commission. Attorney Huffman provided me with some language that the council had adopted. This is in 2018. 2020, 2019, 2020. about the possibility of creating a housing commission, and in particular, it lists, it could be five members with some alternatives, all things that we can consider, but that the duties of the commission could include the study, to study the need for arresting, remedying, or preventing the decay and deterioration of dwelling units, elimination of blighted neighborhoods, affordability, quality, supply, homelessness, and other housing challenges within the city, and make recommendations to the council concerning such matters. I know we've seen these type of items come up more and more in public comments and agenda items. I think just as we've tackled so many other larger issues in our community, having more community members engaged in advising the council can generally be helpful. So I just wanted to kind of propose this to the council and kind of open the floor for possibly if y'all are interested in future conversation.

I'm definitely interested in a future conversation. I think it's a step forward to addressing the I'm housing need here in Burlington, so I'm definitely for us creating this. Do we currently have anything in place since this 2020 was drafted? Do we have a commission at all?

Yeah, you have a commission. I'm not sure that it is an active commission at this point in time. Back in 2018, when we redid the city code, is when we took the quasi-judicial function away from the housing commission and stuck it all quasi-judicial hearings are held by the Board of Adjustments now. and they hear everything that the Housing Commission used to hear, including appeals from code enforcement and from inspections and administrative decisions out of the planning department. At the time, we in turn kept the Housing Commission that we already had, but changed its function to that of really an advisory board, and he was reading right there from the code section itself. And the next thing it says there, and it also to perform such other duties as may be assigned to it from time to time by the council. So it's an opportunity for you to determine really if you want studies done in this sort of thing. obviously with the assistance and leadership of someone from the planning department, specializing in housing leading it, it could it could utilize this board as a sounding board and they in turn could advise council about its findings and such. So it's in place. It's just a matter of determining what it is that you want it to do. And challenging it to do so.

Any further comments? I just want to follow up on that. I think, I think that the current housing commission we have could be, you know, maybe we want to give some further, you know, well, gold, if you will, or instructions, but I think you can operate under this structure already, you know, set up. And, of course, we can talk about a later time and, you know, ask that when when it is appointed, or when you become active, it certainly things that we would like

help them to consider yes so i guess if there's no objection i'd ask manager patterson and jamie to bring us some suggestions because we do have the the funding for affordable housing in the budget i think it'd be negligent of us not to put that through some type of citizen commission for advice and would love their feedback in a future work session on some recommendations of how best to empower this commission to broaden its scope

And just to make sure that the residents are aware that our home consortium is completely different. I think it may cause some concerns and residents probably will get mixed up thinking that they are one of the two. We're speaking about affordable housing commission, but the home consortium is completely separate.

Important distinction.

Untangling that, I can see, you know, that being difficult for staff and for us to have to answer the question. I'm going to put on the record that they are two different boards that we're speaking of. This one is solely for how do we address the affordable housing crisis here in Burlington and how can we best support it as council members and the staff with the city of Burlington.

And as we go forward, we'll just make it clear, you know, that there's two separate. That certainly makes sense to me. So, all right, anything further?

Go Canes, Jeff.

Jersey was good luck.

I forgot to mention, and I'm sorry, LabCorp is a big sponsor of Fireworks, so that makes it

Okay, we will we will on behalf of city council just convey to them our thanks and we'll as we see some of the folks we will we'll pass along as well.

I don't always hear I do want to say this bill is here. And as many of you remember last year, that was her prayer statement. saying, can we make it bigger for next year? So Zoe, I know you heard Mr. Tony. She knows Mr. Tony. You heard him say it's going to be the biggest of all. So Mr. Tony, we're rooting for you and we'll be there.

All right. Anything further? Members of the council? If not, I'll entertain a motion to adjourn. So moved. Second. All in favor indicate by aye. Aye. All right. Thank you all for coming and we'll see you next time.

Thank you.