Area Plan Commission (apc) - Regular Meeting

Okay, it's six after six and we now have a quorum. We'll go ahead and start the meeting.

Real Paul?

Carol Bowden is absent. Tim Allen is absent. Jane Gore? Yes. Randy Jones? Yes. Carrie Hammonds? Here. Andy Boyles is absent. Kyle Deckard?

Here. Okay, a couple of minutes. Next item on the agenda is I-20-2006. Since Kyle can't vote on this because we weren't here. Then Dave? Yes. We don't have a quorum to vote on in a minute in terms of approving it or not approving it. So can we go ahead and suspend those, the approval of that until the next meeting? Sure. And do both of them at that time? Oh yeah. Okay. Well I suggest that's what we do then. Is that okay with everybody?

Sounds good.

Okay. Nothing in our old business. We have two items tonight. to consider the first one under new business is item 26-P-02, Jim Wrigley petitioner. This petitioner is requesting a replat of lots number five and six in the Schultz edition. Kayla, will you report for us, please?

All right.

And it's Joanne, right? Yes. I thought it was.

Yeah.

All right, this is the staff report for replat, docket number 26-P-02. Hearing date, August 25th, 2026. Request is to replat the north half of lot five and lot six of the Schultz addition in the town of Nashville. Petitioner, Joanne Wrigley. Property owners, Joanne Wrigley and Ellen Carter. Location, properties are located at and south of 264 Artist Drive in Washington Township within the town of Nashville. Zoning and current land use, the zoning is residential one for both properties. The northern lot consists of a multi-family residence and the southern lot is vacant. General findings, one, since the two lots are part of an approved and reported subdivision, a reply of the lots is required. The Town of Nashville Subdivision Control Ordinance Section 18.15 provides the following definition for resubdivision or replat. For any change in a map of an approved or recorded subdivision plat, if such change affects any street layout on such map or area reserved thereon for public use of any lot line, or if it affects any map or plan legally reached prior to the adoption of any regulations, Controlling subdivisions, such parcel shall be approved by the commission by the same procedure, rules, and regulations as for a subdivision. Two, the petitioner is requesting approval to replat the north half of lot five and lot six of the Schultz addition. The purpose of the replat is to correct the property line between the two lots. Three, water and sewer services are available for the vacant lot and a driveway already exists. Four, the total transfer area is approximately 0.338 acres. Lot six will be reduced to 0.891 acres from the existing 1.229 acre parcel. Lot five will increase to 1.137 acres from the existing 0.799 acres. Five, the minimum lot size for properties in our one district in the town of Nashville is 6,000 square feet. Six, the proposal has lot five consisting of approximately 49,527 square feet, and lot six consisting of approximately 38,811 square feet. Seven, the replat of the property will not reduce either lot below the minimum lot size requirement, nor will it have a negative impact on setback requirements. Summary, the property line adjustment is minor and the minimum lot size for each lot will remain met. Approval of the proposed replat should not adversely impact the developmental standard requirements for either lot. This was the original, we just highlighted the five and six there for this Schultz addition. This is lot 6A. And this is the area of approximate transfer area. All right, and there's a copy of the plaque. And then I did want to add to, I know that the surveyor from Tarrant Surveys has been working with Tim Allen, so they were working on a set of recommendations, conditions for approval. So if we do decide to go ahead and vote on this tonight, and if it's a yes vote, let's vote on that conditional upon the two surveyors working out what all recommendations need to be completed.

Did we have those recommendations?

There were several of them. They've been working on them back and forth.

But we've not had, it's not included in our package.

It's not, no.

Nothing that would affect our decision.

No, we just wouldn't sign it until Tim has looked at it. Reviewed once again.

Okay. Is he looking at all these?

Yes. So one lot includes artist drive apartments and the other one is to the south of it?

Yes.

And this may be a silly question, but the owners of, or do you own the artist drive apartments lot as well, or? like these people know that land is being, whoever owns that one, I'm trying to bring it up. Okay, Ellen Carter owns that, okay. Let me say, both owners are.

She thought she sold me all of this. And when we got ready to build, we found out the survey was not done correctly. Okay. So then we had to start all over.

Okay, let me put us back on track here. Stephanie, you report the other. Sorry. Is that the end of your report? Yes. Okay, does anybody else have any questions for Kayla? Okay, I'm assuming you are the petitioner. Is it Joan or Joanne? Joanne. Okay. Do you have anything that you want to say or address to the commission as far as your petition? And if you do, would you step up to the podium, please, to speak to the microphone?

I think I explained it. I had it surveyed a long time ago. got ready to build, Michael Schombly is my architect, and he had them check out the lines, and we found out, let's see, six from 23, we were 15, 18, somewhere in there feet short than what I thought I had purchased. And we tried to re-survey it, and it didn't get approved. So at that point I used a new surveyor and it's been very interesting, but he's had it resurveyed and hopefully everything's good. I mean, I needed within six feet of the apartments and my sister owns the apartments and that's what I, I've already purchased it. But then when we got ready to build, we found out the paperwork wasn't correct.

Okay, is there anything else you wanted to, does anybody have any questions or any additional questions for her while she's at the microphone?

What about, oh no, not for you, I just have a question about cards.

Oh, I'm just hoping someday if I build there that the cards won't park in front.

No, I mean, those cards you had to send out with the like notification, that's what James asked. We usually ask how many you sent out. Kayla will be able to tell how many got sent back.

Okay, I thought you were saying cards. Also, it was very confused whether it had to be replatted or not, but we went ahead and had it replatted. There was some discussion whether it just had to be resurveyed.

Cards. She sent 15 out and 13 were returned to us.

Okay, thank you. Don't laugh at me when I ask this, but is there anyone here that would like to speak in favor of this petition? Is there anyone here who would like to speak against this petition? Hearing none, we shall move on. Bring it back to the commissioner for consideration.

Assuming that's all on sewer, right?

It's all on sewer, yes. Correct. And water. Yeah. Yeah.

Got no questions.

Well, if not, is there a motion? One way or the other? I will make a motion that we approve 26P02 pending the incorporation of sewer air comments. Is there a second? I'll second it. Okay, we have a motion and a second to the petition as requested. Docket 26-B-02. Ropal?

Jane Gore? Yes. Randy Jones?

Yes.

Karen Hammes? Yes. How about that group?

Yes. Motion passed. So your petition request has been approved, ma'am. So I suppose that you'll need to get with... Kayla?

I'll give you a call, hopefully tomorrow afternoon. I'll hear from the surveyor.

Okay, so right now we're pinning, so nothing can be done yet, is that correct?

Right.

So do we have an estimated time on this?

I'm hoping that I have a message. I'm wearing my watch to see if I have a message from the surveyor.

Oh, it could be any time.

It has not come back in yet. So as soon as I get one, I will let you know.

Okay, all right. Thank you all.

Thank you.

Thank you. Okay, do I need a bathroom break? What did you say, Jane? I don't understand what the problem is with this. Why it would not be buildable.

I don't.

It probably had to do with her.

I don't know that it wasn't buildable, so she thought she had 15 more feet to build all of this.

Yeah, I think she had problems meeting the setbacks, and then she realized, this is property that I'm already the owner of, but not the owner of. It was very confusing. And there were multiple surveyors, from what I understand, that have kind of looked at it and touched it and... No one ever finished. I understand.

And no one was as thorough as Tim Allen. Exactly. Nobody is.

So Tim is reviewing that, is that what you're saying? Yes. And he's got conditions that he's already would like to see incorporated into that?

Yes. And then so the lab that we just sent out yesterday was the revised. I have not yet heard from him. I thought he was going to be here. He wasn't able to make it. I haven't heard from him whether that revised flat that we already have met all of the conditions for the previous one.

Okay. All right. So you just want to hear from him? Yeah. Okay. Okay, item number two on our agenda, and it's obviously attracted a lot of public attention here, it's standing remodeling. 26-M-2001, Area Plan Commission Petitioners. I think we all know what this is about. Does anybody have any questions or comments on what we're going to have to do to come into compliance with Health and Rural Act 1210 and Health and Rural Act, House, I'm sorry, House and Rural Act 1001? I think Kayla's pretty much got all this. I do have a question. I mean, how much, what do you see the biggest change with our existing ordinance, the biggest impact on these changes on what we have standing now?

Well, you know, the gun shooting ranges and things like that, you know, biggest impact on paper in reality, you know, who knows. Yeah. The, let's see, I think, I don't think it has a great deal of impact on that. What was the shooting range change?

It's like, do you have to allow it? Yeah.

I think it's more allowing it, isn't it? Yeah. Not discluding other stuff, but just a little condition to allow us.

Yeah. You know how they're so discriminated against. Indoor shooting ranges.

Indoor shooting ranges and outdoor shooting ranges. Apparently there's been a lot of controversy at the state legislators.

As far as my quality of life goes. I don't think there was a lot of consultation that was done with the locals when this was going through, was there, Dave?

I mean, I don't think they, in my experience, let me put it this way, the legislature never consults with locals. They consult with the gun lobby or whoever they're serving, the wireless communication people, whatever.

Home rule's great until they don't want you to have a say. Right, exactly.

Yeah, I will note that, you know, I was driving through Carmel, I don't know if I said this last time, but I was driving through Carmel, and on City Center Drive, There's an indoor shooting range right in Carmel. So it probably doesn't create a lot of problems. And the Seventh Circuit a couple of years ago in some cases out of Chicago which apply to the Seventh Circuit decisions apply to us, said that the Second Amendment requires you, requires localities to allow for gun training, gun shooting, because otherwise their right to bear arms would mean nothing. So they said, hey, you know, not only do they have the right to own guns, but they have the right to practice and become proficient in them. And so this is consistent with that line of cases.

Second Amendment's only like two and a half lines. I can't imagine all the extra verbiage they put into it over so many decades. So under... Under general findings here, Kayla, under number two, these are definitions that are going to have to be added, correct, to our ordinance? Yes. And then condition number three, these are to be amended. Correct. Of our existing language that we already have. Is that correct? Yep. Okay. So... pretty academic, I mean, we don't really have any say, so it's just a matter of we need to vote to approve it to send it on to the county commissioners, correct? And they'll have to do their own hearing on it as well, correct? Okay.

And they were sent the draft, I think you guys got the draft last month, I think I sent it to them like that same week. Okay. So they've had the draft for a while.

So do you see any of the changes are gonna be for lack of a better term, problematic? Does any of this give you any hard burn or not?

No.

Okay.

Not near as much as some of the other things in the bill are stressing us out a little bit.

In those particular pieces of legislation?

So, the way that we do, and do you want to vote on this first? I was going to say, it's going to be a minute.

Yeah, let's do this. I mean, I don't want to cut the discussion off. It's open for talk or discuss or whatever you want to do. That's right. Then why waste time? We don't have to. So I'm entertaining a motion that either yay or nay, yes or no, on these proposed required mandated changes. I'll second. Oh, I think we have a motion. No, I'm asking you.

I'll make a motion that we approve 26-M-01 as presented. To send a positive recommendation to the county commissioners.

There we go, yep. I'll second that. So we have a motion, we have a second for the discussion. If not...

Okay, Randy Jones?

Yes.

Gary Hammes? Yes. Todd Leckard? Yes. Jane Goyer? Yes.

Okay, that motion is carried, and it goes on with the commission for their consideration, and they can do with it as they wish.

Yep, and I'll certify that decision tomorrow.

Okay. Now, you were going to give us another, the bad news?

So this really affects more of the day-to-day stuff And we're trying to figure it out with the county council, which are the money people, county commissioners, setting up new funds. So the building department and the planning department on paper must be separate according to these new bills. And I know a lot of counties already kind of run that way. On paper? Yeah, I mean, yeah.

An organization.

Mm-hmm. We don't run that way, we're one of the counties that kind of have always been together. So we've gotta split, Lonnie's gonna be on his own, and we're trying to figure out how to split staff time, because we also have time limits for doing building permits. So we can't just say, come back in three days when Lonnie's here to do your building permit, because we don't have three days to do the building permit. So we're trying to figure out how to

continue operations and come into compliance with the resources that you have yeah only they're going to be bifurcated so let me ask you this how much change you said in the review or the time they have to be issued or not the building permit yeah so typically right now we we issue building permits the same day as long as they have everything we've never been

But that's like you or Kelsey, right? I mean, sorry, Danielle.

Yeah. Yeah, one of the other three in the office. Lonnie very rarely is here for a building permit. Unless it's commercial, he's the only one that can do commercial. But I think now we've got three days, right?

I think you have three days to let them know the application is complete. You have to send them an email that has a read receipt on it and they respond by email. If they don't respond by email within a day, you have to mail the notification that their application is complete to them by first class mail and then you have basically seven days I think to to actually issue the permit.

Like if you're not just handing it to them in person. Yeah.

Right. Yeah. And, well, the statute says you have to notify them by email. Oh, okay. Is that new? Yes, that's new. And, you know, Bobby LaRue, who's a Brown County resident, is our building commissioner over in Monroe County, and he was up at a state... building function and some of the legislators started yelling and said, what are you doing in Monroe County? Why aren't you following the rule? He's like, because we issue our permits within one day usually. Your rule doesn't make any sense to us. And they're like, oh really? We didn't know that. And so they don't seem to follow very closely I think what actually happens in some of these counties and the impacts that they have on counties that are doing it efficiently. But that's the way it is, and you just have to do what they say.

So this will serve letter, this is limited only to projects to provide water and sewer service? That's it? I have a question here, and I'm going to show my ignorance, but accommodation business?

What the heck?

I was going to say it's like lodging.

So accommodation business is, this is going to show how dorky I am, I think I know the exact wording. So it's the establishment, and it's nearby or near a lake district. So it's not... It's for services and goods used in lake-related activities, typically. So we've had, the most recent one I can think of was Borum's Boat Service on Beech Tree Road. Was that about a year ago? Maybe a little more than that. They wanted accommodation business and they did boat repair. They're on Beech Tree Road right next to Corddry-Sweetwater Lakes. So that just kind of makes sense. AB has a lot of the same uses that GB does, but not as many. So it's more lake-related activity.

So we have some acreage that is AB? Yeah. I don't know. How long have we got that? I don't know.

Always and forever. I mean, so is the issue just...

The county won't let you guys just say 30% of your salary is building-related or something. You know what I mean? Just split things cleanly.

I'm not certain yet. So I'm going to talk to you. I've got to contact a state board of accounts that I need to get a hold of to see how we... Also, where the funds go for the building department are no longer going to be going to the general fund. They're going to be a non-reverting fund. Mm-hmm. So eventually, how I understand it, please correct me, I hope I'm wrong, but that the building department will have to pay for itself. That the county no longer, is that right?

I think just because you can't mix funds doesn't mean that money can't be put into it.

Okay. Yeah, I think that it's more like a dedicated fund for supplementing the building department. So yeah, you can... That makes me feel better. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, how this works out, I mean, the mechanics of it and everything is going to be above us, the complaint commission members. So it's something that's going to have to be worked out, I guess, administratively through the county commissioners and council and... And the auditor's office and the state board of accounts.

But the bottom line is... Pardon me? I'm sympathizing with Kayla because as the department head, she is the one that has to make sure it all gets figured out.

Yeah. But the bottom line is, Lonnie has a separate office. He is basically, he answers to you. You're his supervisor, correct? As far as the job description?

So I am currently the department head.

Okay, and he's part of the department.

He's his own department.

He is his own department. So I, as of right now, I sign his timesheets. Still fine with doing that. You know, we work really well together. Technically, he is his own department head and always has been. He's also appointed by you guys.

He's what?

He's also appointed by the Area Plan Commission to that position.

But he probably will not be now, I assume, after this.

I didn't even think about that.

Yeah. I mean, he's going to be completely separated from us and stand alone completely. Yeah.

Well having, being separate on paper and being physically separate. Like being separate from a money perspective and separate from a organizational perspective are different. I don't know what the rules say. Like I would assume there's not any reason his office isn't still gonna be just right there.

Right, you know. This was new to me. I mean I had, where I'm from it was two completely different departments. They were on the same floor. So when I found out that the way Lonnie's set up, I thought it was a little odd, but 92 counties can go in 92 different directions, I guess.

I think it's probably going to affect Danielle more than any of the rest of us because she's going to have to know exactly when somebody comes in for a sign permit, she's got to make sure to put that in the planning commission. and they come in for an accessory permit, that's gotta go in building. So we're gonna have two separate collections, probably two separate ledger books, receipt books, bank accounts.

We had to do all that in the extension office with 4-H money versus county money.

Keep the state board of accounts happy. Well, I assume you'll get some guidance on that. the folks we just talked about how to set that out. What do you need from us? It's nothing. I mean, we have no authority. Okay.

So he'll have a separate, he'll have a time sheet. He won't take a cut in pay, will he?

I mean, I don't see how they could. I hope not. But county council's thinking about taking some of our perks away. As we know them.

Say that again please, what'd you say?

County council's already considering taking some of our perks away as county employees. Perks.

Such a long list of them as it is.

Right, the three.

Maybe you'll have to work primary election day now.

They're thinking about, they're talking about taking away lunches. I know, I know.

I'm actually, I know the, it's not a long list, so it's like the perks are the only reason.

If we have one.

I feel your pain, that's a... Yeah, I mean, I realize, like, kind of, sometimes they make rules, and it's like what they intended and what they actually wrote down are, don't align, and then the effect in reality, but... I would imagine, like the point is that they don't want permit money from building department stuff to be funding the rest. It's like people paid for building department, whatever, that's what the money should go towards. So hopefully, like it is a big headache to get figured out, but hopefully it doesn't spill further than that.

So does the permitting, how much of that, if any, comes in to the Planning Commission?

All of it.

All of it does.

It comes in, but it just goes to the general fund. It's not like held back for just the plan.

It goes to the general fund, which can be used for anything. Right.

That's what's changing.

So it really doesn't come all to me.

None of it comes to me. Except they receive it all.

Yeah. We hold all the money in our bank account until the collection report comes from the bank. Like your statement that you get from the bank. We get one of those. Then we have to reconcile that and write a check out of our account. into the general fund. So we hang on to their money for them for a little bit, and then we give it to them.

Okay.

Well, I guess we'll see how this proceeds, won't we?

Yeah.

I did have one other thing on this, Dave. Removal of a member. I have down here needs some clarification. I wasn't too sure about this language here. It's got...

I thought we already approved all this language, right?

We did. Oh, it's all approved. I'm approving things I don't fully understand. Okay.

That's what I thought.

Is this on? I'm sure mine didn't pick that up. Down here under a member of the Planning Commission serves the pleasure of appointing a 40 and can be removed without cause... as long as the board, committee, or body that appointed the individual retains all the same members who served on the board, committee, or body when the individual was appointed. So any change in commissioner or council?

Then they can only remove people that are there for cause, and there's a process for that. You have to give them 30 days notice and so forth. For cause means that they're not doing their their duties, they're not showing up or whatever.

But it has to be the same people.

To remove without cause.

Without cause.

Yeah, they can just walk in. Gotcha, okay.

What would you do if you're $34 a month? I'd be $44 before taxes. I don't even get any. I don't know about that one.

I do have a question kind of about the, member so I don't know if this has come through at all or if they even know how this will work but like I'm here on behalf of Purdue Extension because the AG educator isn't a local resident and you know it's like a statutory Purdue Extension seat but Purdue is in the process of like revamping their educator like the way things are split up so it's just every county would only have a local 4-h educator and then there's like regional for the other specialties so i don't know what that will mean as far as this goes but if you catch wind of that let me know all right i'll just keep showing up

getting compensated? No, I don't get compensated. Because of the position that you're in.

So, I don't even get a special treat every month anymore. No perks.

No perks for me. I'm sorry.

No, I'm teasing.

Okay, is there any other discussion on what we really don't have any control or say on this? It's already passed, so we're done. Dave, do you have anything? I do not. Okay, I guess that's good news. Anything you wish to say? No, except the motion for adjournment. Okay.

And to bring snacks next month, we've got it.

Maybe I'll bring, no, I won't bring snacks. Are we supposed, I saw the commissioners like accepted or signed or whatever that thing, so now are we supposed to be like putting out a request for proposals? That's what I'm working on right now. Okay.

So hopefully I will have that done by our next meeting. That's what I'm basing the dates off of. So we're doing the whole process over again. The whole process? Mm-hmm. I'm coming up with the RFP, and I've already met with Tim once in a formal meeting, but we've talked fairly often. I'm hoping by the end of this week to have a draft done. So I'm going to get you guys the draft as soon as I can. Okay.

Do you have anything else that you wanna?

Are we supposed to, because we have to do a hearing or whatever for the fees, are we thinking that'll be next month as well or the month after?

Next month we're gonna have a minor subdivision and a rezone request.

And the RFP.

And the RFP.

We don't have any money to do this, right?

That's why I said we shouldn't try. That's what they want.

I'm going to help write it and put it in our same format as the last time.

Should we, I get that they wanted to move along, but should, are the fees more important to be on the agenda for next month than the RFP? Or would the fees wait until October? 190 days.

That's true. So Lonnie's new fees can't take effect for 180 days. We could probably do the fees next month, too. I don't think it's going to be a big...

The only thing is, I don't know what is the reason from what to what.

R2 to GB.

Okay, so you know there's going to be a big to-do.

R2 to GB. Where at?

Hoover Road. Good night. Where that... Like a wedding bar or something? Thank you. It's the property right behind it. Those are tourists' homes currently.

Can you just tell them no? No, please.

We can give them a negative recommendation.

I guess I should wait and see the... Gosh, if we just had a comprehensive plan that could tell us...

Speaking of which, did we exhaust that subject?

I'm just looking at the end of the year. I'm just trying to bring it back up. I know Kayla is juggling a lot. I'm just trying to figure out where stuff

A housing hearing, too.

What? Sorry. Kyle was making a joke.

We need to have the housing hearing, which I'm not certain what we're going to do there. But that's got to be done before January.

The housing hearing?

That's another requirement in the fees. And the fees would have have to be passed before January?

Yes.

And once we would like send them on to the commissioners.

And you think that fee schedule could be by October? Is that what you said? September. Or September? Well, that's what we're trying to figure out. Was it 180 or 190 days? It was

It can't take effect until after 180 days, after it's approved by both, I believe. So we're looking at mid-next year. Realistically, we're looking at mid-next year before building can take effect.

I know Tim had sent some comments, more comments back, I don't know. Maybe next month is just a discussion. You know, if we just have the numbers, we can just discuss and then any kind of hearing, it would be in October.

For the new RFP, do we have to approve that here, then send it to the commissioners? Does that have to be a formal for the comp plan?

This is, I think, a new process, what I would call an extra-statutory process, because the plan commissioners So if you guys have entered into an agreement with the commissioners, whatever the agreement requires you to do with respect to the RFP, you should do.

That was just a verbal handshake, not even a handshake agreement. That was what... into an agreement. I mean, it's just a...

It's what you guys voted on last week. I mean, it was a full-on document.

Yeah, okay.

So I'll check that. And then we'll do fee discussion next month.

Okay.

And I'll try to have the RFP ready so we can at least get our eyes on it and...

Yeah, I mean, we wanted to move along, but I think you have to be realistic with the amount of this other stuff you're juggling on a rapidly shrinking timeline to the end of the year that the RFP may or may not, you know. Yeah. Because even that, once you put that out there, depending, or maybe you put a longer time, I don't know, because then you're getting stuff in and you have to respond to people and you have to schedule interviews. And so, like, is that realistic with the building department stuff, the budget, the other things. We all want to move this along and clearly Tim wants it moved along as well, but you're one person and the other higher up executive body has already given you a long list of things to do.

Yeah.

So.

This long list of things you're talking about, Tim, are you talking about Tim Clark?

The long list I just referred to was everything in this AGA whatever that she's dealing with.

The new house bills.

But then Tim is the other executive body that is giving her things.

I wasn't aware of any kind of list that he has.

Well, that whole agreement that got signed last month.

That's what you're talking about.

I'm talking about both. I'm saying it may be that if she really looks at all the things that have to happen between now and the end of the year from the state house, that the RFP going out next month, it doesn't make sense in the scheme of that, like from what else she has to do and the work that happens once an RFP goes out.

Well, okay. I wasn't, I wasn't hanging on when you said Tim and then the list that you got. I wasn't, but now I understand what you're talking about.

I'm saying that you have two lists. from two separate executive bodies, both that require an amount of work that may not all be compatible happening at the same time.

So, I think the commission's gonna have to kind of depend on you. You know your schedule much better than anybody else does. So, speaking personally as just one individual, I'm not gonna speak for anybody else. I would rely pretty heavily on what you would recommend in terms of what to prioritize and what not, and go from there. We've only got so much resources. Okay.

And we still have a week and a half to get agendas prepared, so we'll see what we can get done in that week and a half.

Yeah.

To prepare agendas for...

And having the RFP prepared and then us deciding next month, you know what I mean, it can be on the agenda and say we're going to push this to the following month. So, I mean, getting it prepared, you've already done a lot of that it sounds like. It's the steps after that I want to make sure you're prepared to handle.

Getting it into the Brown County Democrat too because everything has to be published. So that takes another little. while we get done. Yeah.

Yeah. I would, I just, I mean, totally what Randy said, I would defer to your judgment of capacity and priorities, but I think I would feel better that we're dealing with the HEA stuff sooner and getting it out of heat. You know what I mean? Leaving enough buffer, knowing that I think all of that's going to have to be approved by the commissioners as well. So, and sometimes you just don't know what's going to get people riled up.

It could be a minor subdivision next month.

We're talking about some, I don't know if people come out or not, but we're talking about a relatively significant increase relative to what rates have been in the past. So even if on a level going from, I'm making this number up, $25 to $75 isn't that huge of an absolute increase, it still all adds up. Yeah.

And waiting that long, you obviously attract a lot more attention. What? When you wait that long to adjust those fees, you shouldn't even do it on an incremental basis. And then all of a sudden you ask for what it should be all of a sudden it puts a target on you.

Yeah, so I just want to make sure we leave enough time to deal with the things we have to deal with by the end of the year. Yeah, good point.

Okay, is there anything else we need to discuss for the commission? If not, I'll entertain a motion to adjourn. I will move that we adjourn. Is there a second? Second. We have a motion and a second to adjourn. Roll call.

Kara? Yes. Kyle?

Yes.

Jane? Yes. Sorry.