Area Plan Commission (apc) - Regular Meeting

on July 28th, 2026 at 6 p.m. Roll call. Carol Bowden. Present. Tim Allen. Here. Jane Gore. Here. Randy Jones. Here. Kara Hammes. Here. Andy Boyles of Opsons and Kyle Becker of Opsons. Okay. Next we have approval of minutes. My microphone is not staying on. I'll push it and lighten it and stay on. You want mine?

Go ahead, you push it. I'll try it once. Well. Magic touch. How hard did you do it with? Approval of minutes from June 23, 2006 meeting.

Do I have a motion?

I'll move that we approve the minutes of June 23rd as submitted.

Do I have a second? I'll second it. Okay. Any discussion? Roll call.

Carol Bowden? Carol?

Oh, I thought you said Kara. Yes. Tim Allen?

Abstain.

Jane Gord? Yes. Randy Jones? Yes. Carrie Hammond? Abstain.

Okay.

Okay. We don't have any old business, and we don't have any new business. We have discussions and announcements. And the first discussion, apparently, is the fee schedule update.

Okay, you guys should have all this stuff in your packet, too. I don't know if you want to look through the historical fee information.

Is that what we have here, 06? Yes. Okay.

And then the minutes from when that was approved, when the first update was approved in October of 2021. So that went into effect in January of 22. And this was just the total collections from last year. And then, so the last time that we did them, They went into effect January of 2022, so these ones, if we decide to update them, will go into effect January of 27, so five years apart. And with the new House Bill, I don't know which one it is, I didn't write it down, but we can only update now and then we can't look at them again for five years. So that's kind of why we're pushing to update them now if you wanted to. If not, we're stuck with what we're at for five years.

So it's about a 25% increase across the board?

Yes. Some of them I upped a little bit. I rounded up. Some I rounded down. I would say it's probably pretty close to 25 across the board.

25%? 25%. I just pulled up my finding counties just real quick because I found theirs. How's your proposed fees compared to other counties?

So Morgan County...

Because right now we're at like half to, you know, a third of the price of Barahona County. Yeah. Of the fees in Barahona County. Like for residents over there, it's $200, and we're currently at $100. Yeah.

And they're... We're at $125 now.

We don't have the 2022. Okay.

Oh, you guys don't have the actual... And we just have the one from 2006.

Well, that would have been helpful.

I have the local coin point, too.

You have your packet. I don't have it. I left my print out at home. Oh.

I have the old one.

I have the new one.

Can you just open that one up on the screen? Yep. I still think we're lower than Tarelli. Your statement still stands.

Yeah. I mean, why...

I don't know.

Why not let the people doing the building pay for their views and such?

Right. Yeah, I missed last month, but the whole thing with the new whatever bill is supposed to be making you, that your fees can't be more than what it costs you to provide whatever, right? But that's not our problem. It's not like we're overcharging for...

I certainly don't believe so.

No. I don't think you are. If anything, I think we're...

Right, I think if anything, we're undercharging, which is fine.

So these are the current, what we have right now. Do you want me to make you a copy so you can look at them side by side? You've got a copy of it? You have a hard packet, though, so we need three copies.

You don't have to print one for me. I got it on my... Hey, can you make a copy of that?

I think I just hit one.

Yeah, that's the one right there.

That's the final thing. I think Carol and Tim. Thank you, ma'am. Welcome. Can you have one?

Yeah.

And then we've got the chart, too, just of the entire year last year, 2025 permits, 2025 hearings, what the actual revenue was, and then with the 25% increase. So total 25% increase would have bumped us up $14,223.75 for the entire year.

So what we're looking at on this sheet here, we're looking at about 25% increase in all of these.

Yes.

Okay. That will take us, we're going to be locked into five years. We're already low. Anyway.

Yeah, I think that we're already low. This would bring us up to where we're at least more comparable to other counties And I think that was in the packet too. The ones that we were able to find quickly.

And it's not just that when you do it, you can only do it once every five years. It's that literally if you don't do it now, you can't do it at all for five more years. Was that?

Well, if they have an emergency and you can't make your costs, you can go to the council. They have a hearing and then the council can approve. an increase within that five-year period.

So that legislation gave that latitude to the council? Yes.

Well, not a lot of latitude, but... Just a little bit? Yeah. But the law has always been, since 1980, when they adopted home rule, the law has always said you can't charge a fee that's more than what it cost you to provide the service, so...

How did we come up with the SMS on the calls to providing services? I mean, that kind of, do you have any idea how that was first? I don't know. All right. Well, how do you feel about that? 25%, do you think that's adequate, sufficient for the next five years? No. Okay, there's a no vote.

Okay, the minor sub in Brevon County is $250,000 plus $50,000 per lot. And here we are, we're doing for $125,000 flat. I mean, we're not charging what other counties are charging. The time that these ladies put in Four exceeds $125, so. Agreed.

And a minor subdivision in Morgan County is $400. Yeah, I mean. Now, I don't think we should be that high.

No, I don't either, but 125 is like.

Yeah, I mean, typically, you know, you'd sit there and you'd grab a subdivision and figure out, as you go through the process, just keep track of how much time it takes, and after you've done a few of them, you can see what the average time per lot it is, and then you can come up with your cost based on how much you're paid an hour.

Usually, one of you miners, I have about four hours on each one.

Yeah.

It's like throwing spaghetti on the wall.

And I don't even get it. Right, yeah, this is the part.

So do we have the time frame to do that type of, are we talking about, we have to do something here fairly quickly, don't we? But we're gonna be locked in at the end.

Before the end of the year.

Yeah.

And so that's some of, most of the hearings, we haven't done a PUD in a couple years. We haven't done a major subdivision in many years. So I can... Well, that, what's it?

Tuckaway, whatever that was. Woods Lane. That was probably the last one.

Yeah. That was in 2020. Didn't seem like that long ago. But yeah. So there are some of these things that, you know, we're not going to do a lot of them. especially not between now and the end of the year. Like we wouldn't be able to count up the time between now and the end of the year on PUD, because we're just very likely not going to have one.

And the process is, if we just said, yeah, this one's good, then it goes to the commissioners, and they're the ones that have to approve it, or it's just for us to approve. So PUD is... Well, no, no, I mean... The whole thing. You can be like, what's the whole process of updating the fees... And like, what's the actual time? So it would take two months or three months more beyond what we, I don't know, that's what I'm asking.

These are just administrative?

I think we always take ours as an ordinance. That's what I, okay.

It's an ordinance change, isn't it?

I believe it is. I think we've done it both ways, and I think we've, when York-Monroe County concluded that we probably should do it as an ordinance.

And, you know. So that means we are doing the hearing, or once we approve it, the commissioners have to do, like, two separate? Yeah, I'm just trying to understand the latest, and then we don't even know what they'll say is okay, but, like, the latest we can say, here's what we want these fees to be, and then them get through the process is what?

Yeah, you would, pretty much like any other ordinance, conduct a hearing, send a recommendation to the commissioner who's on a text amendment. Although I don't know that there's any text to amend because you don't have your fees in your ordinance. So it would be an addition. Okay.

And last time we didn't do that, right, wrong, or indifferent.

Mm-hmm.

But if that's something for transparency, we should do.

You did not do that in terms of presenting it to the commissioners? Mm-hmm. Okay. Yeah.

Or at least that's what the minutes say. And I'm hopefully going to believe the minutes because I wrote them. Yeah.

I was believing the way Dave just phrased it. It's like they didn't necessarily always do that in other places, but it's just been there. the cost like people should have more awareness so then we will schedule it for a public hearing whenever you guys but then the commissioners have to have two separate meetings of theirs to hear it or I still not understanding from the time we do it it's at least a month it's at least two months before they would you know be done with it I don't know what they have to do.

So if it's something that goes through the APC, do the commissioners have to have two hearings on it?

No, they don't. Just one? They don't. They just have to have, I don't even, in the past they have said no hearing required for commissioners. Now I think they're required to have a hearing. hearing but it's not a hearing like a Planning Commission hearing. So Planning Commission hearings or public hearings that have to be advertised by 531 which is ten days ahead in the newspaper and all that, these Commissioner hearings have to be advertised two days ahead of time, just posted, doesn't have to be put in the newspaper. Posted in the agenda, yeah. But they changed the language to require hearing I think because of the wind farm issue where a lot of the people up there felt like they weren't, you know, the commission, it was a done deal by the time we got to the commissioners, so the legislature said, okay, the commissioners are going to have to have a hearing and let the public speak. I think they changed the law, so now you have to have a hearing, but it's not, it's not a

So it sounds like if we do decide to go ahead and increase these fees, that's gonna be a change in the ordinance. We're gonna have to have a hearing on it, public hearing. And then if it goes then to the executive committee or the commissioners and their time frame, that's completely out of our hands. We have no idea how they're gonna handle that. We don't get all this done by the end of the year. Or SOL. Right. Five years. Is that a correct statement? Wait, am I understanding this?

Well, yeah, unless you can go through the council and get that changed.

Council? It's like an emergency. Oh, unless we go through it.

Say these are just taking X dollars more. We're losing money on every final. I hate to be in a position to try and defend that to the council. I think if we had everything ready for next month to vote on it, or next couple months, the commissioners want to meet every two weeks. So they should be able to do it. Yeah, if we were done by September.

Usually they don't make us wait more than a month to get on their agenda. So I would certify it the day after you guys vote. I would certify your vote to them. And then typically they do it their evening meeting, which is three weeks. Three weeks or right at four weeks after APC meeting. Unless we start getting into the holidays and then everything's just... Yeah, I know that's a given.

But we're looking at five months. August, September, October, November, December.

And how much time we have, you mean, Randy? Yeah.

We're looking at a five-month window here. We decided to go ahead and increase these fees. I kind of like Tim over here. I think we're a little bit...

what the people that are doing the work and filing for the permits. I mean, they're building, help pay the bill instead of having all the taxpayers chip in on their. And I'm curious, when it says residence, is that all the inspections are included in that? Yes. See, that's something I think you ought to break out because other counties break out all their inspections individually. And it's like $60 an inspection.

That is something that hopefully we won't look at until five years from now. So there are a lot of changes coming up for our department anyway. I think we talked about this at the last meeting. Lonnie's position, so the building commissioner's got to break out into his own fund. So all of the building permit fees have to go into that fund. They'll no longer go into the general fund.

So the building inspector's office is going to be their own line item.

Yes.

Which they have not been.

Correct. Ever.

Ever.

Okay. But you don't have to adjust for that now?

We're trying to adjust for it knowing that it's coming.

Yeah.

But we've got our budget hearing tomorrow.

Yeah.

So we're going before the county council and saying, hey, we've got changes to make. We don't quite know what we're doing yet, but please hold. Because we're just trying to figure out exactly how to go about it without...

Rocking the boat too much. Would it be worth, I don't know if Lonnie has his input on these? Get his input on the filing fees? And how much time he has on each one? Every time he does an inspection, how much time do you have on? Like you're saying.

45 minutes just to drive it anywhere. In this county. 45 minutes, you know, total, there and back.

And Lonnie, he always, I mean we work really closely together. Lonnie always looks at these. I would if he had any comments, negative or positive.

Because I think it's something I think we all kind of pay attention to is how much time you have on each inspection. And I don't see, like, you know, I know other counties, we have to do, you know, like an electrical inspection, HVAC. And if you just do a hood, it costs X dollars. If you do an electrical permit, it costs, well, I don't see them all broke out pretty much here. Fair enough.

So if Lonnie's going to be his own separate line item, he's going to be considered his own separate office from this point in time. complete autonomy? Will he not also have his own fee ordinance? Or is he going to be expected to comply with the planning commissions? Now I don't expect you to be able to answer that question. That sounds like a, but I mean, if there's true autonomy here, then is he the one that's going to have to go in and make cases for what he would like the fee structure to be for what he does in the billing inspector's office?

I know.

All we can worry about is this piece of paper right here.

Well, I guess what we can do is if we make sure that this is – I mean, if the improvement of ILPs for the cover inspections and whatnot, if he operates off of this, so be it. If he becomes an MC, he can do his own. Otherwise, we've already kind of addressed it and accounted for it in increased fees and possibly additional inspections or something like that added to it. Does that make sense? It does. It does. Because then that part would be basically the building department, and then the rest would be... Well, we don't know what they're thinking.

We're kind of all speculating here too, so I guess all we can do is worry about what we have in front of us for our fees.

Yeah, I guess I would say, and even looking at other counties' amounts is probably a little bit... is going to be misleading right now because they're all in the same position. And it doesn't really even matter what anybody else's is. The whole point is supposed to be what does it cost us to do it. And I know it's a pain in the butt, but I do think even just pushing this till the next one and giving just that thought exercise of, okay, real quick, if somebody's going to file for this, we've got to do this, this, this, and this, and that's about this, you know. many hours between all of us, plus the hearing. I don't know what you're allowed to factor into that cost, but.

I'll see if I can sit down with Lonnie before the next meeting and see about what time it takes for him to do a residential building permit. It's about 30 minutes, roughly. And then he's got the review after the fact. All the inspections. And I'd say we're probably not charging enough even at this increased rate.

Yeah. And the best thing is if they do per inspection, when people do shoddy work, you get 12 trips out there for the same inspection.

Which thankfully doesn't happen very often, but when it does, it's frustrating. Many times.

And if it's hidden in the wallet, They'll be better.

Okay, so ultimately, are we going to have to go through each one of these and look at these where we want them to increase and to automate? Is that what we're talking about?

That's up to you guys. I just went across the board with 25% increase.

I mean, I don't think it's up to us. I think it's for them to do, you know, like...

I couldn't tell you how long it takes to do one.

I'll go back to Kayla. Obviously, you'll have to review each one of these and decide whether you think $150, $100, $300. I guess the only way that you can really do that, you're going to base it on time inputs, correct? As far as how much time you spend.

Probably time and travel.

Time and travel. I mean, that's about the only way you can do it, isn't it?

I think so. And I think the other, like, I know we see it on the reports every month, like the tourist home thing. Do you guys actually have to do an inspection on tourist homes?

Every three years.

Yeah. So, I mean, I think it's also worth, like, are we actually charging for all the things that we do? You know what I mean? These compliance things that.

Yeah, I think the hearings, especially for the Board of Zoning Appeals, I think they're way under what they should be.

And I don't know if there's two different fees for major, subdivision, primary, secondary. Not that you want to get this too crazy, but there's probably certain... types of like special exceptions that it's like this is a common like tourist homes let's say they're very common and may or may not i don't know have more of a burden of work to them than a typical special exception i think that we've talked before dave correct me if i'm wrong we can't break out specific types of special exceptions and make a tourist home more than a

special exception for a travel trailer park. Because that would be like its own fee at that point.

I mean I guess in that case you're just saying well if the tourist home is the most common one and it takes the most time anyway then that just makes everybody's special exceptions more.

Yeah. Can I ask you a question here? It's a little bit off the subject. Dave, has Monroe County ever come up against this on their tourist homes over there? Against what? Fees. No. Has there ever been an issue? Okay.

I did find a section of the code that says that the Planning Commission establishes the fees. I'm checking to see. That was updated January 1st of this year. I'm trying to see if they've done anything since then. If not, then the Planning Commission can do it.

Well, what I was getting at was a higher fee for... that particular type of housing as opposed to just a tourist home as opposed to non-tourist home in terms of the processing, application, administrative fees and that type of thing.

Yeah, I mean, if it takes you longer to do it, then you can charge a larger fee.

So that is, okay, all right. Someone can.

So we can break out tourist homes from the rest of the special exceptions?

I mean, if you can show me.

Yeah, I used it as an example. You would know. Does it take longer or is it just more frequent? Which is a different thing.

It does?

It does. Well, then, if I'm understanding our legal counsel here, then that would justify an increase of what we normally charge. I think you have the impression, and we all have the impression, that we couldn't do that legally.

I thought so.

Yeah, but Dave's saying something else.

Even if you can't break it out, then all special exceptions should be more if they're taking, on average, take longer than what we're charging. That's how everything, all of this is about the average amount of time something takes.

Some will be more, some will be less.

Yeah, well, I don't want to get on what someone's got. The other thing to do, which would be probably a lot easier, is just to go with a carte blanche increase. 30 to 35%, or even higher.

The thing I wonder, though, is if, I know it's said it always, sorry, but it's always said you can't charge more than what it costs you, but if you're going to make some arbitrary increase, then you're I think, people pushing back and being like, well, what's that based on? So I think you would have to show some level of, well, here's what we figured out, and it ended up, like you just said, like with the 25%, if you could say, well, it all kind of worked out to this much, but here's the math we did, and that's how we came up with that. That's one thing, but just to, like, pull a number out of a hat.

Well, you're on a lot stronger ground when you go to court.

Right.

Right. And, you know, if somebody wanted to put the bony finger in your face and ask for a judicial review of this, that can happen. But it would be easier, I think, for you guys, I mean, if you could justify that. I think the 25 is just an example that Tim showed here is pretty low. And I just said 35%, I just pulled that out of the air. It may be more than that, maybe less than that, but I guess my question would be, what are you comparing those numbers to? I mean, there's no boilerplate of any kind, is there? No, see.

No, just historical, what we can find that's been done here in the past. Yeah, okay. Looking at other counties.

I mean, you could look at other.

Kind of helps and kind of doesn't. They've got multiple planners. They've got multiple building officials, code enforcement.

Yes. But doing the same work. And you're just putting in more hours to get it all done. Right. I mean, really.

I don't think, like, to review it, I don't think you need to be, like, a lawyer accounting for every 15 minutes of your time all day every day. But I think there's, like, a pretty basic thought experiment you can kind of go through, like, okay, this is about this much time. It's this many people and this many hours total. Okay, this next one, oh, and here's tourism. Here's these other things we're doing that aren't on here and they take about this much time.

In the hearings, I think it will be, now that I'm thinking more about it, I think it'll be easier because we've got checklists with everything that the petitioner has to provide to us. Well, we can say, you know, this will take X amount of hours to review all this. It'll take X amount of hours to write the reports. Prepare for the meeting.

Yeah. If you look at who all is involved in resources, it would be you. It would be Danielle. It would be Lonnie. Possibly in some cases. Logan. God. Logan. The Planning Commission. Dave. There's a lot of cost factors in there.

That we're underpinning.

You might look at another county and see how their breakdown is and see if you want to put more categories in. If he's doing all of his inspections for $100 under the permit, that's a loss. A huge loss. Just getting a permit for $100 is a really good deal. Inspections on top of that, I mean... So you might look at how other counties break it down and start there and see where you're going. But their fees are all from 22 also. Yeah. So they're probably all having these same conversations. Yeah. So they're all going up. And so if we even hit, I mean, we had to do three times on some of them in order to hit what they did in 22.

The other thing it may be worth is just, I don't know what the, like, like, best practices, but like running it by the commissioners or, you know what I mean? Before it just shows up on their desk, like, here, we approve this total restructuring and massive increase. Like, just being like, here's what we're thinking. Is this, you know? Is this aligned with what you guys are gonna be okay with? You know what I mean?

Is this realistic or do you think we're crazy? Right.

Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense.

What have we decided?

Back to the drawing board.

Back to the drawing board. Are you guys able to come put together estimates on your... We'll certainly do our best.

I think we need to give directions to Kayla and Danielle and what we'd like to see them do. And so is that how you want to do it on a kind of a line by line, case by case review of this? Do we want to go with just a 35-40% increase across the board on everything? Or what? I don't think you need to go through it.

And I think more lines need to be added. You think more lines need to be added? Yeah, I mean like inspections. Because if they're doing a foundation inspection, a framing inspection, then a plumbing inspection, you're getting all those inspections for $100. Who's doing those inspections? It's the building department. Is that happening? Yeah. Okay. And maybe it should be $60 or $75 per inspection. I mean, because if you get 45 minutes per trip easy, plus then you gotta do a write-up, you got an hour, you know. Easy hour.

And you're coordinating just to get it scheduled in the first place.

So you got an hour and a half. I mean, really, you got an hour and a half, two hours, probably, yeah.

Just for... Yeah, because I'm just thinking about when we built the house, you know, we had the basement, we dug into the hill, poured concrete, and cedar block, and we had the framing, And of course we have the septic field. There's another right there. And then electricity. That's like four things right there. And I'm sure there was more than that, but it's where things remembering off the top of my head. That was a few years ago.

Jay, what'd you think?

I remember when it was $25. You did what? I remember when it was $25.

We still have a couple of contractors that come in and they're like, well, I remember paying $10 for a contractor's license. I'm like, well, I don't. But I'm glad you're still here. $25 is nothing.

Yeah, I mean. Yes, what's 38 cents a gallon way, way, way back?

No, I think they have a better idea. We just approve it.

We don't know what goes into it. I think you should send those extra lines that you're talking about to her because you have that expertise that you're exposed to so that they can kind of group it together and get a sense of that. And then, of course, get some input from Lonnie and Logan how much time, roughly how much time do they spend. I don't know what they get paid, and I don't care. We should not be negative. We should be at cost and above.

We can't be above. The law says we can't be above.

If we even hit close to that cost, we're going to be at cost. Probably not.

That's the other thing, because I don't know who you'd have to ask. whoever does like HR and stuff, but like your cost isn't even just your hourly pay because there's that like benefit amount on top of that. That's like 30%, benefits and taxes and whatever is like 30% more. Yeah, I think like rough estimate is what, like channel that, not perfection, but. the thought process of.

And even a rough estimate that's not, I mean, it's still going to be much more than probably what we're getting now. So, yeah.

And it's definitely a little bit more expensive now than it was in 92. When I built the house. Yeah. Shoot, just get my two trees cut down a little bit more expensive than it was.

I'm not going to tell you my line name. Do we want to try to have a public hearing on this next month or do you want to give us another month?

Or do we need to?

I feel like we probably need to see it and the commissioners need to have at least given it half a thought before we have a public hearing.

You mean our public hearing?

Yeah. So I would think that this will be on the agenda again next month, but next month would be the public hearing. Okay. So September would be like.

How is September two months away?

We can't think about it because it was really just January. I know it was.

It was. It was just January of 2022. Right.

So if our process goes smoothly, we hope it does, and it goes to the commissioners, they look at it, they don't have a problem with it. Then it goes back to them, and hopefully things will go smoothly there, but you never know what may come of that.

I think September gives us a little bit of back window.

I think that gives us a pretty good window of time. All right, great.

What else did we...

Okay, moving on.

The agreement with the commissioners for the memorandum comp plan. That was very eloquently worded by me, I do believe.

I didn't have any questions about this when I read through it over the last couple weeks.

I'll share my thoughts later.

It's not relevant to the recording.

Well, I mean, yeah.

Down here on the first page, the bottom of it. I was talking about where I was a little I mean, they talk about needing a qualified professional planning consultant. I think that's what we did. And also down here, they were talking about getting the robust public engagement at the township level. Well, okay, that would be great, but good luck. I'm not sure what robust means. I'm not sure they do either, so I guess we'll find out. That's a relevant term. but ultimately it's their orders, and so I guess they can do with it as they wish, right?

I think this is saying that we all have ownership over the pie that we're baking. I think this is agreeing we're all gonna bake in the same kitchen.

That better be okay. Okay, well, yeah, that would be great. I kind of got, after our meeting with them, I kind of got a little better feeling, particularly after what Kevin had said about wanting to build upon what we've already done and not just take it and throw it out the window. That's the impression I got. So that made me feel a little bit better for the time that was put in and everything.

You two got anything to say?

I didn't notice it in here. There's not anything that says who's going to pay for it, though, right? I didn't notice that.

Too many determinants. That's how much. TBD.

I think I made it very clear in both the commissioner's meetings and in here

The Planning Commission does not have the money to pay for it. So please don't put us on the hook to pay for it because we can't. It's not going to happen.

We just can't.

No, there is no money.

Let's give you another grant of some type. Yeah.

Oh, actually, no, I did. I haven't gotten to this part yet. Commitment to fund. The Planning Commission and the Board commit to providing funds sufficient to cover the professional services fees and expenses of the consultant

yeah whatever money they have that they want to put into our line for plan consultants we can then spend their money out of our line for plan consultants I think we kind of made that clear at the last meeting because they're closer to the council than we are

And so did they actually like vote on this at a commissioners meeting? Okay.

I'll move random. I'll move random.

Yep. I think 7-1, there's a date on that.

Yeah, there is a date on it. I'm wondering like, I mean, I don't know what they can do. We sign it and it says, oh, months one to two are this and three to five are this. And if there's no money, then... Okay, nothing is going to happen with it. But I just feel like it's bad practice to sign something you're like... With timelines open into dollars and no intention or path to... Not no intention. We would love to do it. But no path to doing what is laid out in the thing.

You've got to sign it to figure out what's in it.

I know. It seems like a bad practice to... to sign things you can't do, you know?

Well, it's something that comes to me. It's nice to, you know, sit in a crystal palace and talk about what she said. But it all comes back to money. And we don't have it. So, you know, if they're able to find a funding source.

Yeah, I mean, like you said, your budget. They're sending us the hard funding.

And if they get a robust turnout from the public, why, great. That's good.

Maybe we can take donations. That's a good word.

Like the fireworks. Do it at like a lines club. I'm laughing with you.

I'm laughing with you.

I'm laughing with you. I'm laughing with you. I'm laughing with you. Do we need to make a motion or something on this one? Yes.

Is our council recommending that we sign this?

Yet. You have the legal authority to sign this. That's my advice.

Okay. That's a good answer, Dave. I said that's a good answer. Oh, yeah. What's the kind of answer you get a lot?

There was nothing in that that keeps us from having the final say in what we provide. We'll be in control of the composite plan still, correct? We'll be going with whatever company for...

I think instead of working in steps, we're working together in one giant step.

We're just not signing our rights away to another party. Okay.

Well, I mean, a lot of stuff's laid out here that, as far as what the input is, what the deliverables are, what has to be included, like what the engagement has to look like. And then there was somewhere else where it was like, you know, we do all these things. They get a chance to look at it. If they give it the okay, it comes back to kind of, I mean, I think that's what you're referring to, Kayla, as far as them.

Let me see where I can say that. I think it's phase five, the public hearing and adoption. Maybe, yeah.

And that the board, they'll have somebody as a liaison to the planning commission and a consultant. Did they not have that before? Was one of them not on the?

No, because we had a different board of commissioners when that started. We did have a council member.

Now, isn't it the same company that did the towns? Yes. It is, isn't it? Yes.

Well, we don't have one picked yet. It's just we have to issue in our, like, so somebody else could apply, but obviously their assumption is that. Assaulted selection months one to two, issue RFP, RFQ, review proposals and interviews, select and execute contract.

So we're basically doing the whole thing over.

The whole thing over again, but now with this document.

Because they cannot choose REA, the one that's doing the towns, without having an RFP, a request for proposal, and qualifications, and interviews. They thought they were going to be able to do that for some reason, and they're not able to do that.

Yeah, so yeah, we have to do the whole thing. We're in charge of it.

As a team.

I mean, most of it still falls on us. That's what all this says. Yeah, I just don't understand. We've all said all this. Where's the money going to come from? What kind of timeline is this? All right. I'm just okay but yeah article 8 8.1 says what I read earlier commitment to fund the plan commission and the board commit to providing funds sufficient to cover the professional services fees and expenses of the consultant as well as the associated costs of the public engagement process but not limited to blah blah blah right So I don't understand, like, I don't understand why we would, like, agree to that.

I mean, it would have to be subject to appropriation of funds or the attainment of grant funding.

Yeah, but that's not, like, the way that it reads says to me, like, that's not what it says.

It just says. I mean, you kind of put a, it seems like to me that language should be in there.

I mean, I don't know what you could do. I mean, if they say, hey, you have to pay for this, you say, well, we don't have any money in the budget. Right, to the board.

They said they'd help.

Well, then you're in violation of our MOU.

That's what I'm saying. All you do is put in a dollar. You help to pay for it. It doesn't say a percentage.

Well, it says, yeah, it just says, commit to providing funds sufficient to cover

to combine both Plain Commission and...

I mean, here's the thing, though. We're not going to do a car wash. No, I know, but that's what I'm saying.

It's like, I get that it's like, okay, but in reality, it can't happen, so then what's the matter if we sign it because it can't happen? But I'm like, but why would we sign it? We can just do a motion. Why would we sign it if it can't happen? Yeah, that's my opinion.

I think we've made it clear to them that they know that we don't have any guns. don't look at the planning commission for financial assistance.

Yeah, if it said the board commits to providing sufficient funds, the board of commissioners are going to be like, great, they can do that and we'll do all the rest once the money's there.

Maybe it's something that they're saying that if we do happen to can get a grant for something, then we'll pay for something. Yeah, but I don't... But we don't have any money to know that.

Let's just do a motion.

Let's just see how it goes.

But it says both the planning commission and the board commit to It's not just us.

Yeah. It says we're providing sufficient.

Merry Christmas to one and all.

Yeah. Yeah, I got my Christmas pin on today. Oh. You do have a Christmas. Wow. Okay. I've done it every day, every work day this month for my patients.

All right. I'll make a motion that we approve this.

Do I have a second?

I'll second the motion.

Any further discussion? Carol Bowden? Yes. Tim Allen?

Yes. Randy Jones? Yes. Carry on. No.

Motion carries. If there are no more discussions, And do I have a motion for adjournment? Wait. Wait, wait, I saw a hand go up.

There's something else. Okay. This. I think you guys have a copy of this ordinance too. So this is, they prepared this for us. These are all of the ordinance changes from both of the new bills. The 1210 and the 1001.

So there are... Can we copy that before we go? Yeah.

Do you guys not have one up? Oh, we didn't hand them out yet.

We have it in our packets.

You don't?

You're about to, though.

Okay. So this allows for shooting ranges. So it's everything that the state legislation is telling us we have to have changed in our zoning ordinance. Right.

So these are changes that the new statute or any of our code has brought on us, correct?

Yes.

So we review it for the next meeting? I'd like to have a public hearing on it just as soon as we can. It's another one of those things that has to go to the commissioners and we're kind of at a time crunch. Do we have to do that?

Do you have to?

public hearing on, we're going in compliance with all we have. Not like the public has a choice. Or we.

They can come and say yay or no.

So we still have, okay, all right.

So, will you schedule a public meeting for next month or for September?

Because I'm trying to figure out here. Do we want to have two public hearings in September? I don't see why not, but anyway. All we have on next month's calendar is a replat here in town.

Oh.

So we might...

Squeeze another one?

I think so. Well, you're not going to be here next month, right?

I'm going to be here next month.

Oh.

He's going to be here. He's taking over.

I don't want to do that.

Yeah.

Can I have that wire so I can chain them here?

So it's up to you guys. We're going to be here for a short time next month regardless.

So they can go through the review list and then have the public portion of this next month?

Or the month after? That's totally up to you guys. We can prepare it and put it in the newspaper for August meeting, or we can prepare it and put it in the newspaper for the September meeting. Whatever.

I'd say just get it over with. The sooner the better. I'm sorry, I didn't hear you. The sooner the better.

Get it over with by next month.

Yeah.

I would do. And then we'll do the replant first on the docket, and then move into this, and then the fees. I'll try to have something out much earlier than we need for the fees. Yeah. Is that going to be great?

When I see it, I'll see it. If I happen to see it, I'll have it for sure. I'll send you something to put back. Okay.

So, Dave, on these public hearings, on these ordinance changes, all we're going to be doing is taking questions.

If anyone has any questions.

That's it. If there's anybody even here. If anyone has questions, that's what we're doing. Okay. It's not incumbent upon us to defend this.

No. I mean, you explained that the legislature is requiring this, and that's why we're doing it. That's what I was assuming.

Yep. Just like some of the other wonderful things that they've done. Okay. I mean, I know we don't have

And then keep the BZA in your thoughts because we've got six items on our docket tomorrow.

All tourist homes or different stuff?

Different stuff.

At least that's like this variety.

It's a variety. It's a mixed bag.

Did you say keep the BZA in your thoughts?

Yes. Well, thank you.

I feel very well. I appreciate that. I do have a question for Dave.

Dave, do we have anything? No. Okay.

All right, if there's no other further meetings, do I have a motion to adjourn the meeting? I'll make a motion to adjourn. Second? I'll second. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion carries.