Select Board - Regular Meeting

Uh, Tennis, would you like to lead us in the pledge of allegiance? Sure. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. All right, we got some meeting minutes to bang out here.

Sorry, guys. uh select order meeting actually I first entertain a motion to seal the meetings of tonight's non-public session somebody wants to make that I make a motion to uh seal the non-public minutes indefinitely under the uh may adversely affect the reputation of any person other than a member of this board second okay motion by second by Scott of tonight public session all those in favor I

opposed and the eyes have it. Uh so meeting minutes from the uh October 2nd, October 16th, November 6th select board meetings and the October 14th, October 16th select board work sessions and non-public board meetings, remote uh select board meetings from October 16th and November 6th. Make a motion to approve them as written. I'll second. Okay. Have a motion by Sean Scott. A second by John or the other way around. Here we go. Here we go. It's the Don and John show. Uh any discussion on those? Uh all those in favor?

Opposed?

Okay. I'll make a motion to accept the consent agenda for 112025 consisting of accounts payable AC manifest for Citizens Bank dated 10125 accounts payable payment manifest dated 111425 payroll payment manifest dated 112025 approval approval of water and sewer leans for 2025 for [clears throat] map 1207 water in the amount of 6940 Map lot 1140-058 water in the amount of $29.80. Map lot 13-041. Water in the amount of $177.71. Map lot. Store in the amount of $281.98. Map lot 112-058. Order in the amount of $297.91. Map lot 15058. Sewer in the amount of $25,712. Map lot 11614. Water in the amount of $22469 and map lot 116-14 sewer in the amount of $196.

Second. Okay. I have a motion by Don, second by Scott to approve 11 2025 consent agenda. Any discussion on the consent agenda? I will just add that the citizens bank one um from 101 that had been locked in the system. Um so we'll get that fixed and I wanted to make it the official vote and get you to sign off on it. So did you give me the glasses? They're cheaters. Why do they look bad? [laughter] No, no. I just I feel like something's been different. Sorry. Hey, it's a different color tonight.

All right. on the I just a quick question on the uh water lean water sewer leans or is it just water water sewing? Is this are are all of these just for the last period or these are for 2025? 2025. Yes. Um it's in your folder in the consent agenda. Yeah, I'm looking at the list. I just what the time frame was. Oh, yeah. No, all of 2025. Okay. We um we're trying to get we trying to get water and sewer to make sure the warrants come to you um before they go out quarterly. Make sure the leans come to you before they get applied. So, all right.

Um you'll start seeing more. Okay. Uh any further discussion? All those in favor?

Mr. Beas There you are. Where you were?

Yes. There's a couple things on your number four in your folders. Um the not don't look at the constellation one yet, but um W1, WA1, WA2, and WA3. Um these are a proposed war article for from the energy committee. So uh last year one of the good things that we did in New Hampshire legislature uh in fact it was the first bill signed and it was a bipartisan bill is something called CPACE but they have modified it now to call it CPACER. Uh CPACE stands for commercial property assessed clean energy. So the issue here is a financing method mechanism for allowing you to take improvements in your commercial property and amortize them over the life of the building. So big two big obstacles that are present when you think about doing energy improvements to a building are one capital cost the cost to do it. Number two is am I going to live here long enough or own this property long enough to make it worth my while. This eliminates them both by giving you a special financing package that is tied to the property. So, what happens is the energy improvement gets paid for with a loan that is advertised over a 30-year, typically a 30-year amatization tied to the property. Um, this has been talked about before in the state of New Hampshire, but it always came with quite a bit of overhead for the towns because it implies, you know, leans on property and it implies working on deeds and administratively it was heavy for the towns. Um, that changed this past year because they got the legislation straightened out and now it is actually being handled by New Hampshire Finance Authority. So the New Hampshire Business Finance Authority is the entity for the entire state that handles most of this work. I should say

most of this work because there will be a little bit of work uh because the town has to have a record of the lean and the town has to in the case of default um you know work with the loan holder. The loan holder is a third party in this case to begin to put lean on the property. So there is a downside situation where we would have to get involved in the town a little bit but by and large it's handled by the New Hampshire Finance Authority and the third parties who are doing the loans. It's called CPACER commercial property assessed clean energy. They put an R on it. The and resiliency was kind of a a little marketing spin on the end is to add the R for resiliency, but effectively it would stimulate the transformation of buildings, commercial in this case. I wish it were every building because they do have this for residential as well in other towns, other states. Uh but right now it's commercial. So the idea would be if you own a piece of commercial property LLC uh multif family uh bed and breakfast you could put up uh for example a solar array by the way it's not just solar array building envelope uh anything related to green energy anything related to energy improvement actually green just energy improvement so insulation building envelope windows uh solar array insulation on your roof that all can be funded through this mechanism using um a funding source and tie it to the property and then advertise it over 30 years. Now the way the system works is that the town has to adopt this. Each town has to adopt this this mechanism for the town and it has to be done in a warrant article. But they have language for the warrant article already

prepared. We would have to have it reviewed, but it is been through the ringer here pretty good, I think. At least that's what New Hampshire business housing business authority tells me. And therefore, it should be fairly good to go. I did take a shot at it today. All it has in it really is uh, you know, put the town of Bristol in the various locations. There is one spot where I wasn't sure, Christina, who would be the person overseeing the sort of go-to person from the town with respect to this process, and I thought you. So, I I put in town manager, but I I don't know exactly. She needs definitely more.

She needs more to do. Yeah. I I was hoping to think of someone else, and I I didn't come up with anyone. Um, so this is an opportunity for us. Um, and uh, yeah, that's how it works. I mean, I have a bunch of documentation on it, but I've shown you, oh, here's a list of things you could do. Solar,

solar, thermal, wood, ma, wood, biomass, wind, geothermal, air sealing, insulation, HVAC, um, building modifications to increase the use of daylight, daylighting, replacement of windows, energy controls, efficiency lighting, air quality improvements, snow and or flood mitigation, energy storage, micro grids, alternative vehicle charging infrastructure, fire, wind resistance improvements, measurements or equipment that quote decreases consumption and demand for water. Uh addresses a safe drinking water, eliminates lead from the water for drinking and cooking. So I wanted to bring it to you because it is warrant article season. We're in that time of year where if we're going to do warrant articles, we need to get them going. Um this one I think needs to be put forward by you. It does. It can't be a citizen's kind of whatever

petition. Can't be a citizen petition. It's got to be got to be by the side. So, yeah. You want to talk about it or what do you think? Questions for Paul? I I haven't had a chance to really look at it fully yet, but my only concern would be about where the workload gets placed, right? And how much more workload it would add. So I don't know if they did any of that in that training that webinar.

Yeah, I I attended [clears throat] the webinar on it and they tend to position it as very little overhead for the towns and this is why they did it this way. In other words, the New Hampshire Business Finance Authority did the work to try to eliminate the load on the town. Uh the way it appears to work is that the they basically match enhancer finance uh matches a lender to the project and then the lender and the project person you know that in other words the consumer in this case the commercial property owner work together to come up with the documents and the only requirement on the part of the town is they're aware of this and uh the Hampshire uh finance authority does the does [clears throat] the records at the because it has to go to Grafton County. Registered deeds has to be registered because it's part of the property and they take a percentage for that. They take 1%.

So they're being paid to do it. They have an annual.1% rider on it. So they're getting a little money to do this. Not a lot. So they're really they have taken on the responsibility for this. And that's why now we were able to pass it. First first law passed by the governor this past year. first law signed by the governor bipartisan. I have another question. So I was just looking at this. Um it was under the tax deeding. It says that um if one of these properties the CPA or properties are taxdeed then the town has to make all reasonable attempts to sell the property in as short a time frame as possible

which is governed by RSA. No, we don't normally we usually is when we take a property by deed, we don't sell it right away usually. Right. Well, what I'm saying, but the earliest possible is governed by RSA depending how it was taken um and whether you All right. So you you'd have to go the the route where you sold it as soon as possible and and gave the money and gave the excess back and then covered that covered that. But if you take a property and you want you the town wants to keep it. Yeah.

If it's a piece could be a piece of property that it would be maybe a good I don't know storage shed. No, we're not putting a storage shed up anywhere. But but say or highway department. Um, does this mean that you can't keep it? In that case, would the purchase be the town? If we take the property, the town is the new owner of a property. Yes. I would think as soon as possible is well, the town has to compensate them for whatever their outstanding pieces. I I I can't envision a

reason where I would support taking a property by deed with a house on it, a livable house on it and not, you know, not turning around putting that back on the Yeah. on the tax, but this is this is this is commercial. This is commercial. Well, you could. So, this is like the TD Bank. So, that's even more incentive for us to get it back on the loan, right? Yeah. Back on the tax. Yeah. Um, but well, so I guess I got a few. Can I just ask Go ahead.

My only the only other thing and I'm just reading it says special assess the seed pacer. So if we took the property and we sold it um the seed pacer special assessment and lean remain on the property and shall pass to the new owner who becomes responsible for payment. Correct. Correct. All right. Does this require any type of hearing outside of the normal? Um, it said it's got to be a notification problem. I have to double check, but that was weird. It said there's one hearing if it passes passes town meeting. Yeah, there's one required hearing. One article passes the town and hold the same

be in favor of it because it's at the discretion. it it's not because it's at the discretion of the property owner, right? It's not like we're forcing anything on anyone or that this is becomes a townwide uh for what you have to do. [clears throat] Um and you know, so people are those property owners are are going into agreements to do this and the lender is the first line of of defense. Yeah. Not necessarily the way this reads. For under local administration, the town shall be designated.

Yes. As it and for Yeah. priority collection and enforcement, the town has the authority to build or can delegate it. and section 9A in that same spot where it says, "Yeah, if the T if Bristol does not delegate building collection responsibilities to a third party, Bristol shall bill and collect special assessments and such billing collection made by the tax." Right? Like so it's basically putting Bristol on the hook to make sure that where the collections are.

The way this is written even though they're they're promoting it that oh it's third party. It's third party. The town is it's written in that the town is the primary here and you [snorts] can get this third party doesn't have to be and it's still come it's still going to come back to the town being being on the hook for it. There's a whole lot of stuff in here that puts the town on the hook from what I've read the process. We're going to we're going to have to be the one doing the collection. We're going to have to be the one doing the lean. We're going to have to be the one getting rid of the property in the downside in the downside case, right? Yeah. Have other towns adopt any other towns. It's brand new. Not yet.

Yeah. The other thing it's not just in general on the town. You have you have to assign a district. So, you know, leave me out. Yeah. You know, where I'm at and you put the downtown district, it doesn't help. Well, it allows you to define the district, but it doesn't say you have to define the district. And the district can be the whole town. The district can be the whole town.

As long as you can say the district is the whole town. Yeah. Yeah. Um it does say in in section 10 that uh tax leaned for failure to pay taxes the lender shall be permitted to redeem the property uh by making sufficient payment as required. The they do try to line up the lender as being as much on the hook as anybody else. It's just in the downside case where the lender can't collect, that's when the town would kick in. I mean, you know, I think at the end of the day, I agree with Sean. Like, there's so many things about this that could help us from a commercial real estate perspective. However, I disagree that Christina should be the person. I actually feel like, you know, this won't go well, but I feel like it should be Joanne

from a man's perspective because because at the end of the day, tax office, well, but if there's inspections that have to happen, the only one that really does inspections is going to be Mike,

right? or it's the fire department. And when you start to look at like in section five at the bottom, it talks about the IRS and it talks about, you know, real estate taxes and uh let's see RSA chapter 80 uh real estate as defined in this RSA. We have to collect the taxes except or let's see except shall not include the C pacer special assessment. Right? So there's a whole process for the special assessment which means in my head it's going to be it's going to be things in the system where we're going to have to track which properties have it which then puts it into the assessing system. So all of that leads me to Joanne to kind of have Joanne take a look at this entire thing and let her say okay select board these are my recommendations if we were to adopt this is how we would approach it. Makes me think about the revitalization fixture because that's in when people apply for it, we have to keep track of their assessments and what they save each year in taxes.

Yeah. And and and that is through Julian with um that was my thinking as well. Yeah. I wasn't. That almost say almost sounds like they're getting tax preferential treatment. Not we can't tax it. Yeah. If somebody adds to this, we can't tax that. That's what it looks like. That's what it's like. Okay. So, so somebody does something to improve their business and the rest of the town gets to pay for it because they're not getting charged taxes on it. Well, it's not getting picked up in a value, right? So, it's not adding. So, they're not paying taxes on it. They're not paying taxes on it. The rest of the town is subsidizing their improvement.

Well, why wouldn't it get picked up in the following year or whatever the next assessment would be? because your tax is basically according to this it's those assessments are basically going to pay for the for the improvements like like that's more or less that's why the whole third party billing that's how I'm reading it but there's there's a whole thing where at the third party billing they're the ones basically capturing the value not the town of Bristol again I'm not saying all of this is a bad thing because really at a state level they're looking at this and going here's an opportunity to take a look at the commercial environment how do we improve it right I mean

sort Realistically, commercial real estate has been going downhill the last couple years, right? Like the the trend on a per square foot basis is on the downward side, not on the upwards. In terms of value, John. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just cost like, you know, if I go and rent commercial building, it's it's not as it's not worth as much as the residential piece is taken off. So from my perspective, we just need to figure out and again I feel like Joann's team is the right spot if we were to do this and just have them kind of go through it and go, "Okay, yeah, if we were to do this, this is what it means. Here's how we would track it. We'll track it in the assessing system. Here's how we would enforce." [clears throat] So the pieces that we're in and out of.

Should I sit down with Joanna and go over this with her and and get her input on it? That's my thought process, but I you know, I don't I don't want to speak for everybody. I'm May I ask you a question? Sure. Sure. So this is just kind of related to the financing. So you mentioned like biomass, battery, energy storage, other types of So that still has to go through the permitting process and approval by the town. That's right.

And that's only relates to the [clears throat] financing. it overcomes the capital cost and and and deals with the issue of longevity because it ties to the property instead of the individual. So if I put up a solar array um you know it's on me, right? Or you

so this just ties it to the property. It's been used in other states quite successfully. Um it it has in some states had issues because in some states what's happened is there's been some fraudulent activity by actors who go in and say, "Oh yeah, this is clean energy. Don't worry about it. you know, and they're putting in plumbing or something, you know what I mean? So, I think there has to be some and it is defined. They actually defined it pretty tightly. These things work. These things apply.

Um, so it it has some mileage on the state of Michigan uses it a lot and has been very successful with it. It keeps getting a bigger fund and bigger fund and bigger fund. Um, in other words, what happens is once a lender becomes successful in this process, other lenders come in and the pool of money to do this kind of work goes way up. Um, from from a holistic point of view, we do have an issue as you probably are aware with with our building stock in the country [clears throat] and the world. I mean, 40% of our emissions are coming from buildings and the dominant amount of those buildings are already there. So, we've got to tighten up the buildings and this would be a way to do that. It would be a mechanism for allowing us to revitalize our existing building stock which would make it more viable, more valuable, would make it last longer, would make

I mean look, if you look at our commercial buildings in just in the downtown area, right? A lot of them date back Yes. quite pictures of them and that right. So this is a mechanism that that they can do some modernization of. Exactly. I'm my only trepidation right now is to make sure that we actually assign and figure out a good owner and in that process they agree with what the town's role is. Yep. You know what I mean? So we can kind of work through those pieces. Yeah. Nothing is for free. There's going to be some Oh yeah. You said is Michigan doing it on a state level or is it a town level? State level. Quite successful.

Yeah. What I'm seeing on this legislation is this is trying to take something that should be a federal or state level type project and narrow and putting it on a very small scale of a town. And I don't I don't see the proper application of that. This this is something that should be a state level, not a town level. It's I think it's just trying to shoehorn too much into limited resources that the town has. You know, I could be wrong. I mean, I I if you're going to put a lean on a piece of property, you do have to get involved with the jurisdiction in which the property is in. So, wouldn't it require a local jurisdiction to have that in their deed, their tax bank?

Yes. But what I think what Don's saying is the state's the one doing all the leg work and not putting the administrative burden on the the local entity in Michigan. Yeah. Not all of these have to go through the town. Yeah. Yeah. Um, Department of Health and Human Services do leans. We never know about them. Yeah. And and collected when they're Yeah. I mean, New Hampshire's a little more unique than other town than other states that I've lived in. You know, where Yeah. where Yeah. Just the the use of there's [clears throat] so much um everything is on property taxes versus the other other broad-based taxes which all the other states have. Yeah.

And it makes it a whole different dynamic here than it would be in Michigan or somewhere else. I think where I'm at on this is kind of this is kind of like I relate this kind of the way I felt about community power. I wasn't opposed to it. In the end, I supported it. Um but I'm also a little too conservative to being an early adopter on things like this. And I'd like to see how this plays out for a year or two before we stick our foot in the ring. Let some other towns go through the pain rather than Yeah. I mean, that that's my, you know, that's my my first glance. Yeah.

Um, and not to discourage you whatsoever, it just might not be. I don't really have a dog in the fight. I don't have any commercial property. Sure. Same here. I'm just trying to bring forward stuff that Y sorry. Go ahead.

One other point here that I that I have not had a chance to do is to talk to any business owners in the town to find out what they're, you know, they're the ones with the dog, not me. It's sort of an analogy of the dog on the bite, I suppose. But, you know, they're the ones who would uh be interested in this. Um, you know, just simple solar, let's go for that for a moment. you know, putting up a solar array is, you know, three bucks a watt these days, right? So, putting up a solar array and having it advertised over the life of the property offset the electrical cost could be very attractive for some of these folks. Um, but I haven't had the time to to talk to commercial owners in the town burning biomass. [laughter] there there's I think a um

but there are also small businesses you know that could benefit from this as well. Yeah, there's a lot of lot of potential. So I just Oh, go ahead. Sorry.

I was just looking at the RSA 53F which is what's referred to in this there's a lot with it municipality responsibility. So pro if the board does decide to go forward it would be interest. So that yeah, that's spot on, right? So I just I was just doing a couple of quick AI searches on on this and and you know the bottom line is somebody goes takes a commercial building, they get a special assessment with a tax lean, right? That's how they get the money from from that and then it's that special assessment that then the town has to decide who's going to do the collections of that special assessment, right? So that way it can't be sucked into the real estate taxes. It looks like you have to do an agreement too, an agreement, but we don't we review the agreement and we advantage the state proves it.

But the advantage to Bristol at the end of the day ends up being we take a look at our commercial real estate and it's a way for us to potentially improve our commercial real estate to the point where it's attracting other business in town. So you think about the TD Bank building. Somebody comes into that building and they look at it and go, "God, this building's how many years old. What are we going to do? Look at these windows." Blah blah blah. So there's an opportunity for them not to look for public money to try to work on the commercial space. They they look at it privately. We have to then help administer sort of this if we intend to do it. Right. That's why I think the first step is really with Joanne

and then she can sort of summarize it out from that perspective and and get us going. This does allow you to if you've done um once you adopt it 36 months prior to submission of the application. Yeah. So was it from from a commercial something in the last 36 months from a commercial development I'll look back I'll look back yes I thought that was kind of interesting. So just to just to amplify your point they'll go back three years. So if you have a commercial property and you've done work on it in the past three years you can go get a loan and and put it into this program. I thought that was kind of a Yeah. So, we'll uh we're looking at we're taking a run that first run that other Warren articles tonight. Tonight? Yeah.

I didn't put the actual No, I'm just saying we we we've got a little bit a little bit of time, but not a ton of time, but a little bit of time to get some more information. Certainly wouldn't say shut it down. Okay. Um I think it's we've got a pretty good synopsis and it's a worth discussion worth having. Do you want me to approach business people and and get some input from them on this for a discussion? Does anybody have any objection to that? I don't have any objection. That's more helpful than not. I think I understand if anybody's interested in doing that. It might be helpful. Paul, maybe talk about it later, but I just did a one pager. I asked co-filer to go get a one pager for the select board.

It gave me a one pager on on Case. That may be helpful especially when you talk to Joan too like Sure. You know, at the end of the day, I think I at least can speak for myself, not the rest of the board, in saying that we're pro business in this town and that if you walk in here with four or five business owners and say, hey, this is exactly, you know, we want this, then that that's my thought too. It becomes a much different discussion. Then it becomes, okay, we need this, how are we going to accommodate it? And in terms of communication, the energy committee could help to communicate it. You know, I mean, just because we pass something, it doesn't mean someone knows how to do it or is motivated to do it or whatever. So we could help approach local business owners and say did you know this is available at Yep. Excellent.

Okay. Well, thank you for coming in. Paul any uh just out of curiosity for Paul but go ahead. Any updates on community power? Yeah, community power we haven't launched because of course the price of Eversource is low and they're trying to match it. They expect to be able to launch in March. That's the latest thinking. So in March we hope to go out to clarify that ever is lower than [laughter] community power. Yeah. Not not low. Yes. Lower lower lower than

Yes. Now I just I just wrote an article the Bristol Buzz kind of describing this because I just went to the annual meeting and and the article is kind of a review of that. There is a plot in there of uh generation charges over time and it goes like this. Boom. community power launch, you see our generation prices go like this. Yeah. Uh and as you're aware, public service, well, in this case, Eversource has been playing some games at the PUC with respect to we call these shell games, right? You you put the money under a different I'm shocked. [laughter] I'm shocked.

So, there's been a debate about them shifting money from a generation, their default rate into transmission, distribution, and taxing everybody for the subsidization. they're taking more risk on their default uh to get that number down and then they want to they want to they haven't been allowed yet they want to shift that cost into general rateayers if they lose so this is capitalize the gains and socialize the losses you know surprise surprise right um so there is a tension there between those entities I mean source being of a poster child does not want community power to be successful and they're trying to they're trying to compete against it by using predatory pricing on on generation, but it doesn't look like it's going to last. Uh they're going to come under pressure to raise the rates. Um and uh we expect to be able to launch in March.

Okay. Um just an update, we did sign, as you know, because you uh signed it the uh the solar uh community solar sharing program with poverty planes, solar array. That was there was a dedication on that yesterday. There's a piece in the um union leader today about that that's quite nice. We are in our state finally getting uh what is called community solar. So community solar is the idea of taking advantage of the economics of a solar array even though you don't own it and it's not on your home.

In this case it's our town. It's the municipality who's getting to take advantage of a solar array in Warner on an old gravel pit. the biggest one in the state. Five five megawatt array. It's actually 4.99 megawatts of uh of power being uh deployed there. It should be fully deployed this spring and we get to be an offtaker there. So the idea of community power which is the the solar community solar I should say which is the idea of having a solar array and the community being able to benefit from that whether they are a renter or an owner is coming along in our state and that's an example of it and community power New Hampshire bought that and offered it to us. they they're in that agreement. So, I think it's a good sign. We have some good things going on in our state. There's lots of room for improvement, but we do have some good things. Uh that is one of them. And the other one is uh this this CPACER which was passed again bipartisan first bill passed by signed by the governor this past year. I was pleasantly surprised to see this. I did not know this was coming up. Yeah. our our our senator Dan Inis was a co-sponsor for that colleellation contract um is done at the end of December um and they've been reaching out to find out so the constellation gives us a discounted rate I always mix up on which one is it

generation thank you generation um so they we we get a lower rate. It's not lower right now. We usually have a lower rate on consolation. Um but we were locked in for a year. Um it's done in the end of this year. So I asked Paul his opinion on it whether we should renew with them. Um and he's making a recommendation not to renew, which means we will pay we'll pay whatever sourc's rate is on both sides and then in three months we would see where we're at with um community power. But I want to make sure you agreed with that and if there were any questions Paul could help answer. No, I think we should pay more.

We are technically we were a couple months now. But my thought there was simply keep our partner dry until we see what happens with community power and then constellation and these other brokers will always be there to to give us a contract. Anybody have any questions Paul before I let them loose? No. Sure. That Warner project, is that the one right off the highway? Yes. Mhm. It's called Poverty Planes. And the question came up, why didn't the town of Warner take advantage of it? And the answer is the town of Warner already has enough energy to offset the cost of all their utilities in that town. They don't need it. Where do they get from

solar? I guess they didn't say exactly, but that's what the the uh the representative from Warner said. we we don't need it. Now, I don't know what they have for balances. I really don't know Warner's footprint, but they said at the moment they have enough to offset so that they don't need to take advantage. It's like an old uh It's like an old school building. I figured it was probably one building. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, thanks for coming in, Paul. Yeah. Appreciate the work as always. Yeah. The only other thing just before we go, I'm trying to get this building sorted out here. Here I'm working with Christina. This one is a thermodynamic train wreck as you're probably aware. Uh so and there's New Hampshire space above us.

Yeah, it's a mess. And there was an energy report done on this. I have it. It was done by Design Day Mechanical, who's a good shop there in southern New Hampshire. So in all my spare time, I'm trying to work with New Hampshire Saves and and uh see what we can do economically to fix this thing. First thing is sealing. Yeah, most of the heat goes right up and out. Yeah, but I don't know if we've ever done a blor test on this or not either. So, I don't think we want to. No, we definitely don't want to.

And we're tempor for a temporary fix. We're we're working with a contractor to get a quote to you can obviously see in the winter when the ice is hanging. This side has hardly be any ice cuz it's no heat. It's just going out. that side. They're out like 4 foot icicles over the walkways. So, we're trying to get something better to keep the ice from going over the walkways because we don't want to. We had a couple of falls last year with staff. No injuries luckily, but I don't want to take a chance that that happens. So, Okay. So, I have all the energy bills for this building. There's five meters in this building. It's nuts. And they put us on um high demand for Yeah.

which costs more money. So, um, this one needs a lot of help and, uh, but I have the data to do it and I went to New Hampshire after saves the other day. It was Andy Duncan, actually. So, um, that's ongoing. Okay, cool. Thank you, Paul. Can I? Sure. Thank you. All right. Alexander ledge climbers. Is that all of you? It's most of us. [laughter] Um, Mr. Sure. Can you remind people when they speak to them state who they are? Yes. If you do come up and speak, please just state your name and who you are.

Um, my name is Dennis Ford. I'm the president of the Alexander Lifetime, the snowmobile club. Uh, I am joined here today with Nigel Croxton at Trail Master, Joel Bean, one of our groomer operators, Jennifer Sh and RJ Char and Emma.

Emma from Village Local Kitchen. Um, the Alexandria Ledge Climbers is a nonprofit uh organization that uh we've been established since 1988 as a small snowmobile club in the state of New Hampshire, one of 97 uh that groom trails over six almost 7,000 miles of trails in the state of New. We maintain approximately 49 miles. We have two large groomers and one small one. Um we uh the Pemma Valley Stone Beal Club that wasn't established here in Bristol uh folded approximately 5 years ago and so we inherited majority of their trail system and one of their pieces of grooming equipment to maintain the older trails here in Bristol. Some of which um we have given up because we just can't we're a small club. We can't take care of everything at once. Um, one of our goals, we currently, uh, groom into town, uh, to park and go for gas. Um, Bristol House of Pizza. Um, we come up into the Bristol Mini Mark. Is that the name of it?

Petrol. Petroar. And Gilly's Restaurant. Um, uh, coming in the other way. um to allow those businesses snowmobile access in the winter time. Uh our goal is uh coming here tonight is we've we'd like to reestablish the trail from Newf Found Lake back down to Village Local Kitchen for this winter. Uh utilizing uh part of the bike path to do that. And we've already been in contact with the other three land owners and we have permission from the other three land owners in there to get this done. Oh, that was my question. Yeah, that's good.

So, Dennis, just to clarify, this is strictly coming from the dam side of New Found up the bike path and to village local kitchen. Okay.

Yeah. Our our goal is to expand to as much as many businesses as possible uh in town. Um, there are two things that snowmoilers want. Well, three things. They want a good groom trail. They want something to eat. And they need gas for their machines. So, we try to supply that uh through various places in town. And we've we've been looking at some long-term changes where we might be able we currently um have a trail established all the way to King Road in Alexandria, part of the old trail system. Uh and we are looking at possibly looping that back down around to Riverdale Road through Sean Planky's property

uh to come to them also uh in the future because we'd like to be not as dependent on the lake uh for access to them down the road. Sometimes it doesn't freeze till late. It doesn't. It doesn't. That's right. Um we uh our club has where you're crossing the road there. Yep. Yeah. Um, we uh we will need to talk to the state of New Hampshire about the crossing the department of transportation, but I think I got an end now. So, [laughter] so after 40 years after uh well, it might be a test of the of the uh of the system.

Well, I'm still working for him part time doing snow trail connectors and everything else up in district one out of Lancaster. So, the only uh question I have, and I'm 100% for it, um is I want to say I remember a conversation years and years ago about was there snowmobile traffic on that originally or there I don't think was there originally? There was before that was a snowmobile trail before the bike path. So, obviously concerned about the pavement, right? Right. Absolutely. and with the mon spikes and and all of that. So, you know, I think we'd be very concerned about the shoulder seasons.

Yeah. Yeah. We uh uh we don't we will not open that trail uh as with all the rest of our trails until there's at least 8 in of coverage on the on the on the ground. Yeah. Um and that's when we have uh we say December 15th, but we lots of times we don't open till midFebruary if we don't have the snow.

Right. Right. uh and everything else. We have uh I did want to mention that my club has 77 property owners that we deal with on our 49 miles of trail. Um and all the way from the Army Corps of Engineers down at Profile Falls to uh town of Alexandria, multiple other towns where we utilize class six roads, um um New Hampshire state parks, everything else. Um, and that is cover the I have to submit a list every year um to the state of New Hampshire because there's a $2 million liability landowner liability insurance policy that comes with that. Once you agree to be uh be part of that trail system, you are automatically covered underneath that $2 million liability liability policy. Um that's been in place since 1972.

That long. Yeah. and uh it's been uh uh it has been tested a couple times in court and uh it has never failed and they've never paid out. So because of the RSAs that are already in place about duty of care uh for operating a snowmobile and stuff like that I I understand the pavement end of it where you're coming from uh this will not be a um it will not be a hightra trail. Um we envision a lot of it possibility is our um ice fishermanmen on the lake. Yeah. Will have access to get down to village local kitchen if they wanted to on the snowmobiles.

It will be um it will be um snowmobiles that come down onto the lake or are starting at Wellington State Park. They want to come down there for lunch or whatever they may want to do. So it memory serves the old the old trail continues along the river. Yes. where the walking trail comes up onto onto 3A. Yeah. Yeah. And and so you're saying that those those land owners in there have have signed off on that. Yeah. We just talked to Jeremy Hilts there today. So yeah, the walking trail goes up, the snow build trail goes down kind of swamp almost depending on the time of year. But we're going to groom that. Village Kitchen is one of the owners. Village Kitchen's one of the owners. [laughter]

One of the three. But there's a couple houses back there. Yeah. Does that trail come around the house? It's on the other side of the house. It's on the river side of the the trail is on the riverside and the I I believe the town has a right away through there that they obtained when they got the right away for all of it. But it was too expensive. Uh I don't really foresee any issues cuz that trail has never been closed. It's al it's been unofficially used for years now. Yeah, we haven't we haven't maintained it. Right. Right. So, we would let you know sign it things you know more make it more official.

So, what one thing I would ask is I I I think once it is groomed and you do start getting some traffic in there, it might encourage use of it for snowshoeing or maybe somebody cross country skiing or something. So, maybe just a walking. So maybe just throw some signs up, you know, beware of potential other use or ski almost all almost all of our trail system, our 49 miles of trail system is open to other uses. It's dependent basically on the property owner, but we encourage, you know, and we encourage year round use, too. Yeah, we could just because [clears throat] um but

All right. But it's uh um um it's uh we have a we have a pretty good working relationship with other users out there. We have a numerous amount of crosscountry skiers that belong to our snowmobile club just because they like to go where we go because we can produce something nice and easy for them. Joel will probably be do doing the grooming with a single sled uh in there because we don't there's no way for us to get a big machine in there to you know I mean you know I envision a big snow dealio in the in the field [laughter] the only one that envisioned

with a ramp and the whole [laughter] boss make snow great again bridge Bridgewwater trail comes down through the Swiss chalet. Y right at the catch. So not just the lake access, there's an official trail right there also. Yeah. Yeah. So we have we we just get the we just got the priorities changed on the trails that comes into Park and Go and to um the market and Gillies as a uh state primary trail instead of a a local club trail. Um, so that'll be a that'll be a state feeder trail 345. Okay.

And uh our vision is to eventually loop 345 into village local kitchen. Y and then back up to the lake. Yep. And so that'll uh um and and we uh you know we we Nigel and I sat on the committee with the town talking about coming up from from profile. Yep. And uh you know hopefully someday before I died [laughter] with you I worked on that back in the 80s but we uh you know that's that's also in our vision to do something there. Are you guys are you grooming down into Profile Falls? Yes you are. Okay. I didn't realize you went over that far.

Yeah we groom basically everything from Fowler River Road in Alexandria down to Walkers Found. Uh we go 345 small short piece of 345 toward Andover now uh and uh we also uh groomed to profile falls and then down into the village. So yeah and then the lakes region picks it up from there. Lakes region picks it up from there. Yeah. Yep. So it's part of the interconnecting 7,000 miles of interconnecting trail. Yeah. And unfortunately I don't since the trail on Hemp Hill Road closed I don't ride over this way much anymore. It's mostly that's that was an unfortunate closure. We like to open since he brought that up. [laughter] I've had numerous people asking just to get it to my place. Yeah. On Headville. Yeah. We'd love to come now.

Well, I think the biggest You could probably do that actually. Yeah, if you could if you could get it to there. I mean, there's a spur up into my backyard. They used to come up through a loop and go right back down. Might be an outback type. Well, the doctor's house at the top of the hill where they have that um there's a conservation conservation where we used to go through his field, but then now we we went behind his buildings, his house, and that's where the conservation is. If we can get back onto his field, we could run it back down that road to what I know as Ford's house, and then back down towards yours, right? So, it doesn't matter if it's on the field or not on the field. The conservation easement restricts all

all motorized use, vehicle use on on the property and it's we we met with the society for protection. That's what I was going to say. Your best bet would be spin if and we did we talked to them and uh and to and in order for us to put a mile of trail in through there to to bypass the conservation easement, we would have needed a bond and licensed contractor. uh could not be completed by volunteers and uh it would cost somewhere around $500,000 to put a mile of trail in. Could we run the dirt road? SURE. [laughter]

We got permission. Yeah. Um and and then on the other end on the uh coming back down the Alexandria, there's a bridge out that's uh that's uh right there by Fred's farm, Benton Farm. Okay. There's a there's a 45 ft bridge that's uh dislodged down there from one of the floods here about 3 years ago. So in in all seriousness, I don't see why you couldn't just run the road. We need town permission. We need town permission to do that. Uh do you know anybody in the town? [laughter] There's other towns that do that. Yes.

Larry, come on. Run in front of the house of Larry Sharp. You pop into the woods, go up to where the old the um dishes are in the cell tower, run that dirt road down the hill and then we pop back in the woods and then behind cuz you would be coming down Wam. So hold on. You come off camp Wam. You come down Wam Road. Yeah. So I I don't know how it plays into it, but it is a designated scenic road. Yeah. So we'd have to scenic in the winter. We'd have to look at what vehicle scenic from scenic from a snowmobile. Yeah. Yeah. I Yeah, I can look into it.

Posted 5 miles an hour and run it. So we we run multiple scenic roads in the state. Um I was trails jammer for the state of New Hampshire for 22 years. Okay. They covered the whole the entire estate and so you know Cherry Mountain Road and Twin Mountain multiples I'm not saying I'm against it. I'm just saying I would expect at least the end of it comes over the west cross used to cross the bridge and go out behind well and hooked into well but the problem with that is that there's multiple lots that have been sold in there. That's what I was going to say. You have to get permission.

Well, and then there was also the trail that came down behind jackets. Y but he had gas. Yeah. What's that? He had gas back then. Well, none of that none of that was there. He used to be able to come off the lake and and go across the And when I talked to Jeff, he says it's actually not his property. It's that street next to it. And there's a new house being built right across the street. So, you you So, in all seriousness, no serious. Yes. Um, where would the trail in that scenario? Where would the trail enter and leave Hemp Hill Road?

Where were we? What which scenario are we talking about? Running Hemp Hill Road. Well, to get around the conservation, we're going to end up by Dawn's and then across the street is Acriman. Yeah. And then that used to go I think uh Jeff Shacket owns that property. Yeah. Um and we had the permission you uh the two contain the container people where the fowler bridge goes across and then goes into um country my question is that we said okay well just have the sleds run hemp hill where on what what stretch on hill would sleds be on

when you pop up from from the old Mary Sharp's house You go across the street at the tower and then you're at the tower. From that point of the road, you're running all the way down north and I know them as the Ford's house which is on the right. Right across the street from them is where we tucked into the woods dashed around into the bottom of the hill and there's a dead straight road that brings you out to Acan and at the other end is where Dawn's place is. So that that trail that you would cut into heading north is before it turns back to pavement. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yeah. It's it's it's still

it's been 20 years, but if I remember correctly, it's been stop plowing that in the winter. [laughter] Save our equipment where there are residents up there. But is there an issue with us running a road where there's a an easement or that restriction that the doctor has? I mean, is it allowed that we can run the road and not be on his property? I don't believe the conservation ement has would have any jurisdiction. Anything between the walls is is our jurisdiction. Okay. Well, to your point, depends on how the roads were

up there. anything between the walls. Talk about what we talk about that road and have them shuffle bags just right. [laughter] Um we get some good we get some good size equipment. The only thing I would say is uh maybe make friends with uh with the owner up there or at least the new owner at least talk to him about it. Yeah, we can do that. Yeah, because it would be traffic, you know, predominantly by his house and right one other house. Yeah, two other houses. Yeah. So, but it's but it's going to stop at dawn. So, so it's not it's not going to be a used for for us to continue that further with I mean we'd look at we'd be looking at a new 50ft bridge.

Yeah. You know, which is in flood plane. That's why it's disgrunt.

Correct. Right. I think there is a there is another road that moves back and heads towards Don's down in here. [clears throat] Well, one thing at a time, right? Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, um our first priority is to try to get uh our steaks and local. That's what we [laughter] over there going order a pizza. [laughter] Where are the pizzas? Yeah. Everybody calls that a bike path, but I' I've always It's a multi-use path. So, I don't see any reason we don't do this. I helped with the layout on that when that was originally done back in the8s.

But are you guys from the late '80s? The original layout. Yeah. From the lake from the dam down to the dam. Yeah. So I think it's fair to say our song on yours. Okay. Um we just we need to get our stakes in the ground and I know for our signs and stuff like that and we need to just we'll Joel and I and Nigel will take a walk on it. Point of order. I well I I feel like that we should probably do some type of agreement or memorandum with them just because sure that way they're covered, we're covered if something goes wrong.

I can I can send you our a typical landowner form uh and I will send you the information for the $2 million liability insurance that that we carry through the state. You just run a billegal report. Yeah. And then the if you did want us to pursue the road in the future, I really think you should reach out to the property governors. Yeah. I do.

Um but but um I do want to and I do want to uh u put it on record that Village Local Kitchen as most of you know we run a my wife and I run cruise night with them all summer long up there uh for antiquing classic cars and they have they are a big supporter of snowmoilers in the area and uh every week they are running a fundraiser for all three clubs. 10 10% 10% of all pizza sales is every week is going to a diff to one of the three new found area. I saw the late I saw the last post that's awesome.

No, and while you folks are here, thank you for reinvesting investing into the community. Really? Yeah. Know it's something that I get to enjoy myself. I ride the trails. So, you know, I appreciate all the work that people like Dennis and I will do. But no, it was great to see the cruise nights. not skip a beat this summer. And you guys do a great job. We are the largest um weekly cruise night in North Candy. Oh, wow. You guys 150 180s a week. Excellent. So, vintage snowmobiles. There's a possibility. We had that discussion. [laughter]

While we're talking about it, what about that field? Might be a nice home with a snowmobile. Vintage [laughter] snowmobile races in the field to get one of the electric. No, it would their field next to it would be a nice event place to have because you you' be now on the trail system which would allow people to ride there. I really want to try one of those stand up ones. I think that would be handy for the work that I You're braver than I am. [laughter] Stand up. You get a bike. Oh, you mean a Yeah, a timber bike.

Timber. Yeah. What are they called? All right. So, what else do you decide for this? Do we have to vote? No. We'll get you together. I'll I'll have that information to you before the end of the day tomorrow. Perfect. Thank you. So, unfortunately, we do have a lot to move. I I appreciate Get out of the gym. Don't [laughter] open up your windows. Thank you. Just going to move to a different one. We're going to vacate. [laughter] Thank you, guys.

All right. Uh, Central Street Project change order. Oh, boy. Hey, Don. Oh my god. Who are you talking to? John flip over. Did anybody over the sheet? Probably not. I did. You did? Yeah. Sean. All right. So, change order number three is under number six in your folders. [laughter]

Makes sense. It is for um furnish and install new drainage catchbased dam and drainage pipe. The pump station is being moved to better accommodate for excavation of the building and will conflict with the existing drainage. Um you had done a different one um probably a month or so ago. This is this is new. So this is approxim 13,282. Jeff has reviewed it. Jeff was recommending it as well. Okay, good. I was reading the wrong line. [laughter] No, I I saw 173. I was like, what? Oh, no. Well, those are the previous Yeah. Yeah. Um,

where was that? That was I saw somewhere else. There's a plan in the P. If you sc roll down, you'll see a plan. Um, and it's really hard to see. So, you can try to see where it is and Oh, that one came out better. Trust judgment on this. Yeah.

All right. Somebody want to move it? Let me see what the number is. And now, it's just change order number three. Yep. Okay. I will make a motion to approve change order number three for amount of $13,282 for the Central Street pump station and force main improvements uh project authorize me to sign. What's that? And to authorize me to sign and to authorize the town administrator to sign. Second.

Okay. Have a motion by Don, second by Scott. Discussion on said motion hearing none. All in favor of said motion I opposed and the eyes have I'm going to go ask them. Yeah. Nigel draft warrant article review. You don't have to go home. But it sound like John. [laughter]

Is John out there? Yeah. He said he was going to have to leave at 8:00. I know. Um Oh, eight. That's right. Town vehicle policy. Um that's the draft in the folder. Um I did it. Sean um I called him my guinea pig. Um Sean reviewed it and answered some of the So there's some um he didn't make any changes to it, but he did make some comments on the question areas.

So uh it's pretty cut and dry. I took some of the stuff out of the personnel manual. Um I based it on some of the conversations also that we've had. Um, under the first me question I had was under authorized use. Um, I took some of this out of the personnel manual uh because it does say only employees with valid driver's license and acceptable driving record may operate town vehicles. Any employee authorized to drive a town vehicle upon hire must undergo a driver's record check. We're doing that. But my question is does we don't do anything ever again after that. If you've been on the department for 20 years, we never do another record check. Should we do it annually?

Well, that's my question. Do you want to do it? It isn't a fee. We have to pay for um right now. Yeah, but it also covers us. Yeah. Someone has their license revoked. It doesn't tell us. Yeah. Yeah. It's right now it's I think it's only $15 for a records check, driver's records check, but it would incre It would increase our costs in the budget. But I said annually or by annually. So or and um Sean said by annually. Yeah, by annually sounds better.

Go section six for a second. So you guys all agree on annual or by annual. I I feel annual is that's what we do in the private sector annually. Oh, you do? Mhm. Okay. Can we ask did you mind going through this section real quick and just make sure you're good? Yeah. So under three, you want to vote and say annual or show hands who consensus on annual annual versus. What's the cost on a driver's record? $15 right now.

So, what's the cost of a lawsuit if uh so and then who's going to conduct subrecord checks? HR. Um well, HR does them. I get them back. I read them. If there's anything that I need to notify a department head on, I notify department head and then they go into their HR file. Yeah. So, how many are we talking? Well, we had to start doing transportation because now they have a vehicle. So you would have, we'll just say four people there, five at the five or six at the highway department, fire, police, fire, police, there's 30 to quite a bit. Um,

probably talking 50 to 60 people, but 15 hours a The question would be, are you doing them on part-time call firefighters? That's just it. Everybody and the reality is it should be. Yeah. Well, yet you because we did have a call firefighter who came back with a very extensive record, but he's not driving a vehicle is what I've been advised. I think that's why that because the number is a little higher. I think by annually you're doing half every year. You could Yeah, you could do certain ones one year and then rotate to the other half.

That's That's what I would say. do it do half of a year. And if you go down further in the policy, it does state that if your license is revoked or anything like that that you do need to immediately report. Yeah, I took that straight out of the personnel manual cuz that was in there already. Um, so okay, each year by annually. Can we also just collect a copy of the license at least for in-house use so that we can monitor expired licenses because that's a whole another issue. We're not the DMV. We're not getting it done. If we have a person driving with a expired license, you're you're going to be That's on them, not the town. If they're driving a town,

what do you think? I'm not asking because it might be a point. We are Latin. I don't know. Primax might say, "I'm not going to pay because you have a person who got into an accident without a life correct license." That could be true, but I can check with them. We should be at least checking that at a minimum. I mean, would we do would we collect driver's licenses every year? Yeah. You get a photo copy from every person every year. I have to do it. Wow. Every year. I mean, it does. I mean, we the only time we get any kind of proof of anything is when we hire them. I mean it's only

maybe whenever you know you come in take a a copy of it. So you could be count verify that the employees have a valid driver's license. Right. That's all. Yeah. Oh that's something in here. You know you just yearly that everybody every employee submits a copy of the license to the whatever entity in the department HR. Okay. Got it. I'll add that in. Um, section 4, vehicle assignment, operator responsibility. That kind of came from just some generic policies. I'm any concerns with any of that?

So, under six, uh, accident reporting. Yep. I would take out that if required. Okay. There's too many times I've seen things happen and oh, was it reported to the police? Well, no, we didn't think it was. Well, why didn't you um It's easy to just do it. Not every time. There's certain criteria that it's required, but it's good to see why a go hit a deer and never tell it. Lovely. But that was that was a years ago. But but the thing is I don't think they were required to tell police. So but

yeah, we haven't had that any we got police. Whether they show up or not is still Yeah. Okay, I'll take that out. Um the other the other thing about six there where it says accident reporting kits must be included in each town vehicle. We get them from Primex and they are in each already. But but I'm saying for here like for the purpose of this when you're saying like okay all accidents must be reported like so

there you're saying accident record will be in the vehicle not must be because then it's like if it isn't for some reason who's the responsible party to make sure the vehicle is checked they should as the operator the same way you do a circle check if you were a CDL driver you should know that your vehicle is properly stocked with whatever you need registration whatever is needed. needed for you to be able to take the town vehicle and go do stuff. So instead of must be so change it to will be. Yeah. Yep.

Um see maintenance. Well, we skipped five, but that pretty much is just um fuel purchases that make tells them they have to submit a receipt. So we get we provide fuel cards and they should be using them and not private payment if at all possible. So, um, and they stay with the vehicle. Section seven, seat belt use. That came right out of the personnel policy. I just copied it and put it in here.

Um, section eight, driver's license status. That's the part where it came also out of the personnel manual. Talks about if the suspended, revoked, or otherwise restricted. So, um, and I just noticed the wrong. Um section 9 prohibited activities. Um the following. Um so you com good with this or you want to see anything else added? Um no transporting unauthorized passengers. No smoking in town vehicles. No using vehicles for personal errands. And no operating under the influence of drug alcohol or drugs.

Do we have a or is it in the personnel file who is authorized? Well, I guess maybe we should define it. I guess authorized passengers should only be employees or prisoners. I mean, I don't or I'd be careful how far you deal with that, right? Cuz I really don't have an issue with somebody that's, you know, they're driving by the school and they're on their way to work and they're dropping the kid off. Yeah. I don't want to be that. I think you talk about something for they have as long as they have permission later. So maybe that's where

um Okay. All right. One thing I would add under that section Yep. Um is transportation of uh prohibiting the transportation of alcohol or drugs too. Oh, okay. Yeah. [snorts] Mhm. Not that that's ever been a problem, but I've seen seen it as a problem in the private sector with or hazardous materials

and no transportation year and a half. You can't do actually you're going to have hazardous materials potent potentially. We have to with the water and sewer department. So, how do you I would So, yeah, cuz you're trying to live at a personal thing, but on a professional basis, there may be, you know, especially with the fire department, too. Yeah. Is that a Primix question? I think you'd have to get into defining what hazardous materials are. I almost take personal stuff that's hazardous. Maybe non nonjob related hazardous material.

There you go. Yeah, you know, which is what we had you here for something every now and then quiet for. [cough] All right. Um, Whoops. Let me So, section 10 is take-home vehicle policy. Oh, well, takeh home vehicle. I think I'll take the word policy because this is all one policy. Oh. So, um,

so it's interesting, right? Like when I read this section, clearly you got to get approval. You're really only taking it supposed to take it to and from home. You know, above we're saying don't use it for personal errands. Right. Right. But I get a take-home vehicle. I want to stop and get a gallon of milk. I'm driving by whatever on my way home. That's technically a personality. in the path of driving to and from home. I'm just like just the whole the whole

thing around I'm just trying to figure out how we properly define it because if there if the role is one where you're on call and you need to respond, I need you to respond. You know, I don't want you running to Walmart and doing a big food shop. It says you can't pick up dinner on the way home, right? And that's I don't want to discourage people from I don't want somebody to think they can't pick up a pizza. I think you should from local. Yeah. Or even that they can't drive a mile in the opposite direction and grab a pizza. I just don't want them driving to Meredith to get pizza. So I'll take that bullet out up above. Um, and then

I mean the thing is I think I think we end up making the point really well when we're saying this vehicle is used for town purposes only. Deviation from that means you got to get permission you know like that's just basic you know so like if it's a little thing like that then you kind of deal with it. Hey I want I need to go off and go to conquered for whatever. Well, that's requires a discussion. Um, under the takehome vehicle, the one, two, three, four, fifth bullet down. Yeah,

I would say any longer than 24 than than a than one normally scheduled workday, it should be returned to. So if somebody takes Friday off, go ahead. But if you're taking Thursday and Friday off, leave the vehicle. Not just taking off though, do you mean is that way? Yeah. But how do we account for the shift change the shift differences?

I would so I would say anytime that the that that individual is not not available to respond other than weekends the vehicle should be left at the respective department. That's a good way to say it. Yeah. And the other thing I really want to do in here is put in a radius. Um, so we don't end up with uh, in the past we had somebody commuting to London with a town vehicle. Can can you go back? Sorry, I just want to make sure I get the other bullet right. Anytime the employee is not able to respond, did you have a time limit? unavailable to

unavailable to respond other than weekends and holidays. Other than weekends and holidays in the Thanksgiving is probably the most challenging holiday, right? They're going away. They're not just taking off on Friday. Yeah. And that's I mean this is this isn't to again this isn't to this is just so we have something in place so that when we do have an issue we have something to go back on. So we can say, "Oh, the Friday after Thanksgiving, that's a business day. You need to bring that back that Friday." No. Okay, good. Just or you know, or they're take they decide to take a Monday or they're they're out sick on a Monday and that doesn't mean if they're out sick, they have to,

you know, drag themselves out of the house and bring the vehicle back, you know. So, does that make them not able to respond? What's that? Does that not make them able to respond? Yes. But it but how else do you describe right that you're that you're not in you're going away. Yeah. Yeah. How do you say the radius thing that you brought up is interesting, right? Cuz how do you

We're just like in the course of business. So you so you define a let's just say the radius is 25 miles from the center of Bristol, right? So that gives you 50 mi across. That gives you a pretty good, you know, breath that you got to go respond to whatever. But so if you're outside of that amount, you it's not allowed or it's only allowed with permission like sort of what you're thinking with the radius with permission. I would say [sighs] hold on, I'm trying

Sorry. Well, there's actually in in another document it says 45 minutes. Can't be outside 45 minutes. That's conquered. That's too subjective. Yeah. And different departments have different um call requirements, too. Um Yeah. Usually, if you're on you're on call or you have to be called in for winter snow plowing, they want you there, right? within 20 minutes. I mean, my first thought I'm not saying 45 minutes is is the correct amount.

My first thought is just is a 15 mile radius which would cover like Tilton. You know, I don't think it's unreasonable that if we had a chief or a or a deputy or a lieutenant living in Tilton or Plymouth that it's, you know, it's a couple exits down the highway, it's a 20-minute response. But if they're living conquered, I don't think they should ever take home, right? you know, or if they're living in London area, you know, or wherever. So maybe add to the bullet, take home vehicles are permitted only for positions requiring emergency response or on call duties within and will be restricted to a 15 mile radius. Yeah. Air mile radius from

air mile from where? From town office. No, from their apartment. Their apartment. It's it shouldn't be that much of a difference going three miles. I would definitely word that as without as um you know something leaving it in there without prior approval of the board or something. So say somebody's at 18 miles and you know right

we'll make an exception. Again, it's not to, you know, come down at people. And the the last bullet, any misuse of a take-home vehicle will result in verification of privilege is a possible disciplinary action. Why is it possible? I know. Why isn't it disciplinary action? Yeah. If you misused it, well, are you going to

and you're taking it away? That's that's right. Like all I'm saying is if you if you're misusing it and you're taking away that is disciplinary in its own nature and or maybe it should just say will result in disciplinary action and then in disciplinary we can talk about how Yeah. Yeah. Just Yeah. Revocation of privileges is a disciplinary action. That's what I'm saying. So, right. This is [laughter] you should come every Thursday. It's every Thursday. No, every other technically [laughter] every other first and third.

I didn't know we had this much to discuss. Oh, the first and third. The last time was till 10:00 p.m. Hopefully you're going to give, you know, John a shot before 10 p.m. Well, that's we just discussed that. So, he's yawning already. I apologize. I thought you folks were with I thought you folks were with the other group. I was going to raise my hand and this is all exciting, but this is entertaining. This go home. I didn't have them on the agenda. Let us get through the probably 10 more five 10 more minutes and and we'll we'll give you guys a chance to No problem. All right. Uh a section 11 GPS and monitoring. Any issues? I don't know.

No. No. The only thing is is you might want to put verbiage in there that says something about tamper not tampering with it. Tamper any tampering would be subject to disciplinary or something. [clears throat] um disciplinary actions. Um most of that came from the personnel manual, but we may want to I mean that's pretty pretty much a standard. So, but it doesn't say revocation of privileges. So, I'm wondering if we should Yes, I would put it in there. Yeah. Yeah. Add it. Yeah. Just add that as a bold

Yeah. to your and then change it to five times. Oh yeah. Well, we could Yeah. says general there four times. That's in the personnel manual.

Not to get too far ahead, but where you get to the part about administrative leave, it should definitely say that something to the effect that the vehicle will not be in the U employees possession. In such a case. Um, and the only other thing I want to see put in here under going back to section 10. Yep. Is um something about

[cough] Um cleanliness uh cleanliness and care of vehicle. Oh, there is not leaving personal items in the vehicle. Is there anything maintenance? Is it there is a section on maintenance and fuel? It does say departments are responsible for routine maintenance and inspections. But maybe it should say because it says maintenance and fueling. Maybe it should have a line in there saying

I would say I would say cleanliness and upkeep of the of the vehicle is the responsibility of the assigned user. The assigned usable user will keep and that probably should be under takehome because Yeah. And that and that the vehicle should be Do we have anything in here for tobacco use? Yes. The vehicle should be section. Is that vaping also? The vehicle should be no smoking or vaping or chewing tobacco. Sorry. I will fix it to match the no smoking how what it says. Mhm. Okay.

Thank you. vehicle should be avail uh should be in condition for use by other readily in condition to be used for other town employees or department employees. Clean up after yourself. Yes. Was dis we had a we had an employee who all our employees are responsible for their vehicle and we had an employee who didn't maintain it. the engine blew up, right? So, that needed disciplinary action. So, back to the, you know, you're responsible for it and if you don't, then disciplinary action is on on the table.

Yeah. Yeah. Fortunately, our fleets are covered by um fleet maintenance programs of by the individual departments. Uh but that does a lot of times it can play into like the employee needs to make it available for that. Not that we've ever had an issue with that. Um, but that employee does need to make that vehicle available to be able to get serviced on a regular basis. Just had one service today. Yeah.

Um, I did put in they have to anybody who has responsible for a vehicle has to sign this. Um, and I and I created an I'll clean it up, but I created an acknowledgement page. They have to sign it. department head has to sign it and I have to sign it and then I'll have select board signatures added so this will become an official policy but I'll send it to the attorney I'll make the changes I'd like I'd love to see this rolled out like yeah now

well I said effective policy shall be effective upon vote of the select board so immediately but let me run it by the attorney and have him take a look at it um but I'll have that done tomorrow and send it to the attorney with all your changes. Okay. So, we do have to actually vote on it. We can't just approve it. I Well, you I guess the question would be Hey, we could vote to approve it pending attorney. Yeah, we could do it. That way you doesn't if the attorney has no issues, it would become effective immediately. So, yep.

Okay. So, I'll make a motion to approve the um the new vehicle town vehicle policy pending attorney approval. Second. I have a motion by Sean, second by John. Uh any further discussion. All right. All those in favor? Opposed? [clears throat] All right. Well, pretty folks, we we know. So, normally select board comment is or public comment is reserved to the end of the meeting. So, like I said, I I I thought you folks were with the Stonefield. So, that's fine. Just Yeah, I was going to say it's interesting. Yeah.

There was a um I had a couple documents that I sent over to Joey. Did she share them with you? Um no documents now. Okay. I don't know when you sent I haven't been here for a couple of days. Okay. Been at a conference. That's okay. So, um, so if you wouldn't mind just introducing yourself. Yeah. Yep. Okay. Been a couple of these. Uh, John Shellington. Um, 511 511 Bulmont part of um, Turner's Cottages. And, um, so, um, I guess, well, two things for starters. ones. This probably won't be as exciting to talk about as snowmobile trails, [laughter] but

except the mention of having it go down Wamit Road. Yeah, we love dumpsters, too. So,

yeah. [laughter] Good. Um, so um and and we realized that uh I've talked to Joan a few times and realized that, you know, what we what we talking about doing and want to do here with things that we need to figure out on our side and certainly things to figure out on your side. Um so preliminary discussions is um and maybe direction on what we can do here is what the object I think our objective here tonight. So thanks for your time. So for starters just want to give you a little back history on um what what's happened there. Um we've had a a dumpster for I don't know how long was on a Butters not within Turner's Cottages was on a on a Butters property. Um and then a year about a year or so ago that uh person sold their property and the new property owner uh wanted it removed from the property. So uh we had it removed from the Abutter's property and placed up on Baton Road at the end of that culde-sac. Um the the um location up there hasn't been I'll say popular um for for people in people in Turner's cottages some other butters and the people up on Baton Road um beers get into it. We're we're the it seems that most of most of the the folks that live at the end of Baton Road are not full-time residences and had people uh just dumping stuff up there and um bears getting into it and hauling stuff all over up behind their houses and around and you know so that's been you know besides it being

inconvenient to a lot of people uh interners. Um there's been there's been, you know, some mess up there that uh has, you know, it's got some people want wanting to have it moved. Um we've explored a lot of options within Turners and what we can do and put it uh put this dumpster um and and enable the trash company to come in and do their thing. And um we and and and actually before I get make that comment um talked to Joanne and she's she looked into it for us and said that nowhere in the development plans were any provisions made for this dumpster to be on the property off. So there's no uh as far as she knew there was no um prerequisite or z any any any agreement on where this thing would be or how it would operate. Um, so for for a year now, we've tried to figure out where we can better place this this uh dumpster and and that's why we're coming to you tonight because one of um one of one of the one of our concepts and probably at least mine personally and a few others is we'd like to put it in the cold sack at the end of Wallamont uh road. Um, I had a um actually

Can you refresh your um I'm dropping the meme now. I just saw her. It was while I was away. So um I'm dropping the pictures and I'm dropping one of the plan the plan that you sent to Joanne into your TA report discussion folders. It's just taking me a minute to download them to put them in. All right. So So we'll have them in a few seconds. Tell me when you guys are ready and I'll continue. [clears throat] There's there's a couple pictures there in the diagram. I just dropped four pictures into the the discussion folder.

And then I'm the diagram I'm downloading now. Okay. Yep. There's a If I may um folks, there's a this this is I know what it looks like. the picture at the end. I want the dogs that way. That's the [laughter] picture at the end of Wamont. You may have to go out and go back in. That's where it was. No, this is where proposing that because there's a couple pictures right in this program. I I told you I like it now. We are not seeing my butt. I I know I just walked by there today. So, um in the discussion folder,

the discussion Y. Yep. So, we're we're talking about um placing the dumpster basically between those two no parking signs and and not just dumping it there on the asphalt, but into the woods. So, we're talking about digging out, you know, a 10x10 area. Um, which takes takes me to there's a a little floor plan there. Yep. It's in there, too. You folks got that. It's the Excel document.

Y you see I have two images. One looks like the end of Batten and the one looks at the Yeah. Yeah. So there's another image there of just a I would call it a floor plan sketch of you know what we think we would need to do or want to do to place this dumpster at the end of that culde-sac so that it's in out of the way.

Um little retaining wall around it whatever is required. um and uh a gate gate on it so that we you know it's going to look good and clean up that that area. Um so Christina I don't see so I'm I'm looking at the map here top item um that's town property or town rightaway that I think that's a water right so that is at the end of Oh, that's the wheel. Is that the animal lava? Yeah, it goes up along.

There's a there's a couple of I'm pretty sure that's a water rightway up through there. Which which building basically we're talking about right here? No, I think you're at the other. So, the water rightway comes in from Camel lot, right down and goes down our driveway. Yep. and then downong then it goes down. That's not the right way for the water. The water's coming in from Camelot through our property.

So the issue is is that all the work that you're proposing to do even though it would be outside of the paved area is on quote unquote town owned property or the town right of way in and turnaround area. Right. Correct. um which I don't really have see see an issue except for um well snow snow plowing uh and getting trucks turned around. I don't have an issue with it either, but I think like thinking from the planning aspect of it, a PCC, right, we need to run it by highway and water to make sure

Yeah. when indeed there's no plumbing underneath and but so yeah to your exactly to your point you know so basically I just so I've lived that purchased in 2010 so I've been there 15 years and the dumpster location is right was right on Bamic Road so you point to like any plows it was never in the way and we would keep it the same way

um I think the the situation we had with it closer to our home is that there was more activity, people were there. And [clears throat] I think for me the main concern I have is that we've now had bears because it's more isolated up on Baton Road and literally every week my husband and I were pulling up trash. Yeah. that either people left outside and the bears tore apart or they were actually climbing in the dumpster. So for me it's more of a safety Yeah. concern. I'm sorry. You live up on Baton at the end of B. No, I live on Wit.

Oh, De Richard. I live 521 Wamit. Okay. You're right where the cutoff is. Yes. Where where the access up the bat is. Yes. So, I mean that that that's my primary concern. Um is it's really become check your property a a hazard because now it just seems very isolated. I mean, you know, my our neighbor who you know lives on Wamtt um she went up to the dumpster and there was a mama bear and two cubs. Oh yeah. So it was, you know, it's it's really a little more concerning for safety for us. So Okay, go ahead.

So speaking of that, I mean, right, there's a concrete barrier in the fence. It's not going to keep a bear out. So do you have other bearproof plans? So we So the what we're we're we've talked about you have if there's Did anybody get that floor plan? Yeah. So we we'd have to put up some we have to dig out a little bit, put some concrete blocks up to re hold the wall back, put the dumpster in, bearproof dumpster and a gate and and and latch it. So it's going to look good.

Uh snow plowing is an issue, but it's always been an issue for us and or we have we always have our our service take care of it. So I mean the guys come in turns I'm sure. Yeah. So when it was placed on Baton Road, that that's Turner's Cottage's property on Baton Road that it's currently on. Correct. It's your right away. No, it's on our property. It's their right away. Okay. Well, the the paid portion is your the town's right away, right? But the the dumpster itself is on Turner's Cottages property,

correct? And was that was there approval required for that? Um, so we did meet with someone from the town um because we asked if we could put it up there. Yeah. Um when we did that um last year. So did they require a driveway permit up there? No. He he was like it's fine. Just you know keep room for you know like you say for plowing. So, I'm not going I'm going to be the bad guy and tell you what you don't want to hear. Um, I thought I was going to do that. What's that? I got to go. [laughter]

And I hate to say that. I I hate to be the bad guy cuz you're very nice people. We spoke on the phone. Um, I personally would be very hesitant to set a precedent to let an individual or an association do something like this on town property. Um, I think it kind of opens us up down the road to similar situations. Um, like what? Just because they just having to do it all the time,

right? like you know so let's say you know so for instance I live on crest road so let's say I get together with the other residents of crest road and say hey let's have a dumpster let's see if we can put it on the town property down here um is the town cuz you have a culdeac at the end right we again we have a cold sack at the end of the road um and if there was and I'm just using an example because I live there if there was a piece of town property there that wasn't necessarily being didn't appear to be being used as as this is. Um could we get together and say, "Well, we we don't want to go to the dump anymore, so let's get a dumpster and put it up at the top of the top of the road."

You know, is the is the town going to allow everybody else to do that? Um and I think we're opening up a huge can of worms with that. Um that's my first issue. My second issue um having actually plowed that road for many years um

that area gets filled with snow. So it become it's a critical turnaround area for starters. So the next problem is who cleans up in front of that dumpster. You know then it becomes well the town didn't do a good enough job cleaning up in front of the dumpster you know and it's costing us more money to do so. So, you know, are you going to have to pay Merrills to come in there and with a loader and keep that cleaned out and is that going to cause any issue with the town's oper snow removal operations? Um, that's the second issue. Um, so it's kind of I I just given that it's town property, I just I personally I can't I can't justify allowing someone to do that. So, I think um we currently have had to take care of the snow removal when the when the dumpster was right along Wamont, right? Cuz we have to get into it.

Yeah. Um so, yeah, Merrills when they came into our driveway, they just came right in front and do all that. So, clear that out.

And you know, and I guess the other thing, you know, point well taken. I know precedence is always an issue. Um, I guess part of what I didn't get to speak to here yet is part of the part of this area people have been not dumping trash, but people dump a lot of leaves and all kinds of yard crap in here, which if we're if we're going to be in there, I think it's fair to at least acknowledge that um the community has done a done a nice job of maintaining the community and being let's say it's the nicest community in town, but it's a nice well a great job of it. It looks fantastic.

The uh and on top of that, um you know, we've been working with the NLR on on everything that we do to, you know, be you were in their newsletter. Yeah. To to be uh be, you know, be good citizens and and you know, this would be part of you know, whatever we you know, would be part of our maintenance. I I would you know proposing now this early discussion. Um um so I was trying to get into the database. How much space do you guys actually have over there?

Like is there what what other they may not be the most tremendously convenient options but like do you have space in property? Yeah. So unfortunately um it it when you come into the 10 homes and John can talk more to it as well. It's a driveway. So, we're But I thought the lot actually went all the way back to Baton. It It does, but I'm saying the road to come into our area is No, no, I I get it. But if your property goes from the water all the way back to Baton, it's a good size lot. Is there an opportunity to clean out someplace else? Which

Well, that's where I was kind of leading to. So, what I was saying is that the homes take up a good portion of our our land. So, the the entryway coming in is a driveway. And we did look at another location. Um, but they won't bring their trash vehicles into the driveway cuz it's too tight. Too tight. And maybe to answer your question, John, I think we've messed with this thing for probably a year now, over a year, and and this is this is our first choice by far. There's not there's we have land choicing. Sure.

Yeah. There's there's there's land but like you know that's why that's why it's up on batten right because there's no we haven't there's it's tight in there. I mean I you know if I have two cars my daughter comes up to visit I got it parked over in Deb's yard. You know it's like it's it's tight in there. So um where it comes where the law comes out to a couple questions. When the lock comes out to Baton Road, is that usable ground that could be achieved?

Not. I'm sorry. Am I looking at Baton Road? Does Baton Road Baton Road goes all the way around? Okay. So, it is the same road. Yeah, it loops around back towards the um I mean your lot comes all the way. You have 90 91 ft of frontage on the start of Baton Rou probably. Yeah, this is that's not Yeah, that's this is their lot. It's 5 a.m. Their lot is 10332. So, it's the comes all the way all the way back. Yeah, that is conservation land back there. Wetlands. Yeah. This frontage here uh by by the intersection of Galad and Tristan.

Yeah, that's where they're this where the storage facility is, right? Oh, is it built that's built up now? It's garages. It's It's definitely not convenient. He He's looking down in here. Yeah. But that's got the garages now. This imagery doesn't show the garages. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So, here's So, here's [laughter] Oh, sorry. That's This is where they're talking to. I don't know if there's an actual The garages are up here. on that. Yeah, there's a path. So, this is this is the culdeac,

right? No, we we understand that we're kind of I guess we're kind of trying to find you alternative all of us. So, this is this is the end of Batton. Yeah. And you'll see here our property line goes all the way up through here and the town has already taken half of our property on the culac for Sir, that road is a right of way to put in the culdeac. The town's culde-sac. So part of my part of my argument, yeah, excuse the word term the term there. But if the town's okay with us having

using our using using your right away here, what's the problem with putting it here? Well, good point. you own the land and we have the right that the difference is it's a it's swapped around. It's it's you own the land. When you had the um when you had the um dumpster up here, that's where it is now. Is it is it here or is it back in here? No, it's right on the right on the BM. Let me ask the picture. Let me ask you this. A uh

a clearing out back here. What if you were to put like a driveway in here that you folks could access the dumpster on this side, but it could be emptied from the Baton Road side? Our septic systems up there. Oh, that's what that's what that is. I did check on our maps and you said between those two, no parking signs. That's right where the water rideway is. Really? Yeah, there is a water rideway on the map. There's supposed to be a hydr.

So my question where the cones the sides are, how far back were you planning on going? Well, I didn't know about any whatever you guys have. I was going to say like 10 ft 12 ft just enough to get a dumpster in there. And now if you do that, have you run this by the trash company also? Just to make sure they're they work for us. Yeah. But can they Yeah. Yeah. Because So if you look at So where the turnound is, our dumpster was directly across from that. So he would actually he would pull in or back in, come forward, empty our dump. He's talking about this, this corner down in here,

but I don't know if you'd be able to get a truck in down there. And not to mention, how's this a butter going to feel about it, too? You know, see, that's the problem is that I mean, we had Witchers walk through the property like twice. Yeah. And for them to come into our area, it's it's it's driveway wet. It's not a road width. Like we even have a hard time in the winter with the propane trucks. They sometimes they won't even come in if it gets icy.

This is kind of why I keep coming back to the other side of the property where the where the garages are. That seems to be a utility area for your property, right? Because that's where you put all of the storage. And it's definitely not convenient from a a dumpster, but but you do have a bunch of space up there and it's accessible from Baton. We'd probably be back where we are with having the dumpster on Baton with people dumping stuff. Yeah. realistic. But if your if your dumpster for your property was on your property with where you have the storage stuff now, doesn't that you know what I'm saying? Like like it's not at the end of that. It's not it's not down here. It's it's off of bat. It'd be off of back.

Well, you probably maybe should have asked Paul if you wanted there cuz he's in Camelot, right? Actually, yeah. So, um Well, then that again at the end of B and it's not as visible. What is the how does the butter going to feel? I mean, yeah. But the thing is, but I mean, not for nothing, but I I get it, but like that's still their like like we can't you I don't think we can say you somebody can't go throw their trash out. I mean, honestly, like I most of the time I'm like go get a dump permit. Um, you know, but like I don't know. Well, and that's sitting in this seat, you got to consider a lot of things. And that's not just understood. That's not just I like I walk by all the time.

You guys are you guys are great people and and I like you folks and so I but it's not just do I like you folks. It's the other 3,000 or so people in town and I got to look at it from their perspective. They'll like us too. What's that? They'll like us too. [laughter] Oh people from Camel. So So if I'm Joe Q citizen [laughter] and again I'm going to be the bad guy. Yeah. So, if I'm Joe Q Citizen watching this live broadcast on YouTube right now, um, you know, Joe Q Citizen might say, "Why can't they just why do they need a dumpster? Why can't they just bring the trash to the dump like I do?" Yeah. So, that would be that would be the question. Can we turn this off?

Is that $100 bill? My wife My wife gives me See, this is not the time for humor, John. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It is. Time for humor. And that and that's again like I I I want to say yeah sure put it there you know like what what I mean I'm not trying to be argumentative poly t I'm just so I mean if somebody else in town wants to build uh what we want to build and fence it in and do it in a very tasteful way. I mean I drove around town dumpsters all over the place. Yeah. just sitting around,

right? So they're actually on they're on their property and from a process perspective generally businesses have got to go through the site plan process, right? where they go to the planning board, they kind of go through, okay, we want to put the thing over here and here here's how we have lights and here's how we, you know, intend to secure it and that's that's that's that process, right? And I understand the need to start here because you're going, okay, it's town. If we try to do it this way, it's town land. Is the select board on board with we want to try to go that way? Let me ask you

for me I'm a little bit like okay I I know that like the area I'm suggesting potentially which is on the other end where you know you guys have your utilities where you got all the garages and stuff right that seems to be a utility area for your for your we put a a lot of effort to put it back off so it's not visible. Don knows he was there at a lot of these meetings and to put trees and plantings so that the neighbors cannot see it. Yeah.

So I was involved in that process and I'm thinking I don't think the neighbors would be at least this is off put off. It's not as visible because there's shrubs and things around um as opposed to putting it right there. And that that was, you know, kind of my so experience with dealing with that.

Again, kind of playing devil's advocate here. So, let's say hypothetically we allow Turus Cottage Association to to move forward with this. And then the Arrowhead Point Association comes in and says, "We need a place to put a dumpster. We really we know a really good spot right next to Turner's Cottages." Then how are we to say no to them when we already said yes to you? Yeah. Yeah. Let him. [clears throat] That's we'd be happy to have [laughter] Well, well then Bristol Sure. You've got Bristol Shores has their own dumpster. Five associations down there that that could say the same thing is the problem. And that's I just don't

I don't see I think at the end of the day it ends up being you need to go through the process to figure out within your footprint how does it work. Yeah, that's really that's fundamentally I think where we end up. What about We're having a discussion here. I mean, you're utilizing the town's took part of our land on Batten, right? The for the right away. Yeah. So, um, so um, for which now we don't there's property that we can't use, right? Took it by imminent domain, I'm sure, whenever long before I showed up.

Yep. Um, so probably not eminent domain. Probably through the planning site plan process that is accepted, right? They don't they didn't take the land. You still own the land. The town has a right to I understand. Uh either way, we don't we have land that we can't use. Yeah. Theoretically. Uh and we probably we probably shouldn't have the thing there because it's now it's on your right away. And now I'm I'm trying to make an argument for all of us for the town, right?

So, uh, somebody says, well, well, and I maybe maybe the argument is or the position would be, well, well, we took their land. They can't put it where on on Baton where they'd like to put it. Yeah. And so, we made a deal with them and they're going to we did like a land swap thing or whatever you want. Like, I'm trying to come up with a solution. Yeah. I mean I guess the only where I where I I understand your argument the hard part for reason comes okay let's pretend that the culdeac didn't exist right which one the on right so now if the culde-sac doesn't exist

fire trucks and stuff can't turn around which is why we end up with the stuff right like your trash truck had would have literally no because because then the town has

u the width of the road like the whole point of that process the planning process and why I'm why I'm advocating [clears throat] for the planning board to you know get in the middle of this is so that way they can go okay what do you require what do we need for here and there and then they go through the process of saying okay we need feedback from highway we need feedback from water and sewer we need feedback from you know all the different entities that way it's they go through that pro like and they can verify what's needed for that area there there is an option. Now we're getting somewhere.

There is a potential option that is along the line of what you were talking about and that would be a um in essence it would be a boundary line adjustment, but you'd be tough with town line. See, if this were two private two private properties, I'd say you just you you pay for half of that lot. You we get an we get a we get a valuation on it. You pay for half of that lot. We do a boundary line adjustment. We move the line to the edge of the current uh parking area, turnaround area, and now you have access to that. Now you have access to that area. That's kind of what I'm

with. But with a town, you can't dispose of property. Well, you probably could in this case because it would be a boundary line adjustment. It's not like you're selling you're not selling a piece of property to a neighbor like a vacant lot. You're not right selling it to a neighbor. You would have to have that open to sealed bid or to a a bidding process or to a realtor or something like that. But if you push one line, you have to do an equal amount. We already did our We already did our No, you don't you don't you don't have to. You don't have to. It's not like a probably not like a conservation thing where you have to replicate.

No, no, just for I mean a boundary boundary line adjustment is usually you know [clears throat] no boundary line adjustment can be for any number. I I do these all the same. Yeah. And you can, for instance, if I was buying if I was buying four acres of my neighbor's property, right? You don't have to go through subdivision. You do a boundary line adjustment. I would add 4 acres onto my lot and they would lose 4 acres. That's the only ones because you need a variance. But that goes to the only way I would consider that would be a lot essentially that's the trouble.

What's that? Essentially that we would be giving them land by moving them. Correct. So that's where if we would move that maybe move another one I'd like to look at the subdivision just why that move. That's what I'm talking about to use. I don't think they would have this area to use but not be access theoretically they have on that they have access to their property anywhere they own the right so they wanted to build a road onto their property they they can do that because it abuts

an access a town access okay just because this is subject area is the problem right that is the problem but if we move that If that line got moved to where that hydrant is. Yeah. And came across there, they'd have that area to to work with. Mhm. But it's not a So the hydrant is on town property. Yeah. Yeah. So which is right on the edge of our according to the map here. It's literally right over the line on not 100% ground truth these maps. Yeah. The line goes right down the the crossroad there. Yeah. Yeah. Which is weird. So that's really

So I've also got the steep slopes highlighted here. So you can see the you can see the banks. Uh but essentially you would be doing a um a boundary line adjustment where we would say okay the boundary line is no longer from here to here to here. Okay. The boundary line is from here to here to here. Right? Okay. And then yeah, you would have you could build your access. You could do whatever you want in here because it's your problem. You got to go through, you know, site plan probably. Yeah. Um but that would be a long-term fix for you. It's not probably not going to happen this winter. We're not voting on this tonight.

No, because you actually have to go through planning board and we would have to agree. We have to hold a public hearing and we would have to agree. Uh that's an elegant solution. We could wave and I think we could wave our our policy so that we're not or like uh like uh what we could probably do like like Don said is if we say okay well part of that boundary line adjustment also means that this becomes this becomes town property. Yeah. We're basically trading. That's what I was saying. Push back. So then we now we now own the whole culdeac.

Yep. And um which should have happened there, right? Which should have happened anyways. And then and then we basically trading that for this. Actually, that's that would be the perfect that gives you your that gives you your long term. But again, it's it's got to go through planning and the and so this is something we talked about and we're like we have to do conservation. Well, I say we Ed and I conservation planning board but so it is it is a process talk before you start talking about land swap and all that stuff but that's Yeah. And we need a survey. Yeah. But it doesn't.

What I'm going to tell you is going to be on you. Yeah. No, [laughter] we figure all these are going to be on us. No, I mean, have you seen my tax bill? I know. We appreciate it very much. Thank you. All right. Time to enjoy. [laughter] I want to see the next one after this. Let me show you the sweatshirt I accidentally walked in with today. Oh, no. [laughter] That's what I tell my husband. We're just finishing up an addition to the house and we've come to the terms. It's like monopoly money now. Oh, it totally is. He's like, you know, we're retired. We have social security income. We're not

So, the big my big concern is is is maintaining the use of that area, right, for its original intent, which is for snow removal activities and for emergency apparatus to be able to turn around there. Um, you know, outside of that, if we're able to get this through the pro through the, you know, the proper process, uh, with the planning board and everything, I mean, I don't 100% spell it. Christina, this goes back to what I was saying before when I was on the planning board. Like, you look around town, there's all of these little pockets of it, next one.

But we're just going to do them one at a time. Like there's a lot of little cases where there's a little bit of a road that was on the piece of paper, but somebody else is actually using it or not using it, right? Like like we it's just something we need to clean up. Talk all day about exist. So I believe that's the process that we have to do. So but I will confirm it. Um so I wouldn't even do any kind of survey stuff yet. No, I was going to I was just going to ask um and I know we've worked with you Christina just kind of giving us the like do we present something before the planning board or what do what do you

We're going to have to do something on our part because it is town property too. So I believe the process is we have to show the conservation commission they have to vote. Okay. um we have to take it to the planning board before it even goes to any kind of boundary line adjustment and they have to vote because it's t it's that we want to swap. There's there's other discussions that need to take place. Um I I would certainly want the fire department's input on this. Um I highway and and water and sewer is the one that I'm mainly concerned about. Yeah, we Yeah. Yeah. This is good. This is great. Just wanted to have a discussion and try to

Y try to But it's kind of kind of kind of ending up where the the discussion you and I had on the phone where this isn't really something we have control over as far as like you know that it's going to have to go through that land use process. So, no. Yeah. Well, this is great. Excellent. Thanks. Well, I'm glad you guys came in. That certainly opened up a a um a uh get arms. NO, NO, NO. THANK YOU, SEAN. [laughter] Open up discussion as well. Yeah. No, I appreciate it. Thank you. And we're here every first and third.

I was going to say nice to meet you. We We probably needed all the planning board, too. Nice to meet you. Good to put her name to her face. Okay. Sean, nice to meet you. Thanks. And if any of you guys are in um Turner's Cottages, that's right behind me and she's got nice cold beer on tap all the time.

He has So yes, just send it to Joan. You're all set. Show new person. Okay, new person. All right. Thank you. Thanks, guys. All right. Thank you. Have a good night. Hopefully you guys get out before Oh, I thought you leave at 8. Yeah, I'm trying. Did you get Did um had that plot plan? Did you want that? Uh yep. Wait, did I Or did I pick it up? Do you want that or No, I got everything I need. Okay. Thank you. It's fine. He can make another hour without it. All right. Thanks. Have a good night. Thanks, guys. All right. MS535. Oh, no, sorry. Draft warrant article review.

Okay, it is number eight is pretty. This is just your preliminary discussion. Um, I haven't finished setting this completely up yet, but um X1 is the budget and I put numbers on it because last time we were talking about XXX. So X2 it um I'm contingency fund. I'm sure that you still want to do that. Yep.

Um X3 is um that's up in the air. The the patriotic fireworks fund. I didn't put any money in it because I wasn't sure what we were doing yet. Um so I'll skip that one. X4. [clears throat] Um I didn't go through and put any dollar amounts from CIP in here yet, but I just want to double check. We pro We'll still do approved wages. We'll still do assessment reval. Fire assessment reval is going to have to go up. Um we will calculate how much. I don't think it'll be that much more, but fire equipment, highway, police vehicle, capital reserve, and town building maintenance. So those are still good.

Yeah. Um X5 is the Beach Street drainage project. Um we're still working on that one. and X6 my not sleeper library they came they're going to have some changes to their plan we're going to meet with her tomorrow to excuse me work on their warrant article do we have a ballpark

um it's not as high as it was decided not to do they are changing the emergency entrance back to where it was so they and they're going to close that entrance that the snow is coming off so that will cuz Um they did meet with an architect uh which is Bradley Shaw who is namely Bradley. Thank you. Um he was concerned about being able to attach a roof to the uh roof overhang there with the slate and he said it wouldn't run with the character of that side of the building. So he really strongly pushed for it to go back to the other where it was the the old

the old entrance. So, I had Patty meet with Ben to make sure that the old entrance was sufficient. They have to clean it out and that will be their emergency exit now. And they'll close this store off during the winter, which will make it so we don't have to go shovel. Good. Um, too. Yeah. Um, so I don't have a number. I know when they first came um the painting is like right around 25, but I don't know if they've gotten other coats. Yeah. So, so what number is that? I'll know by tomorrow. What? Um, okay.

Um, I put X7. I said the possible energy committee. I guess that depends on where we go that um on here. Um, X8, that was the draft um for the $30,000 loan. Um, we accepted Jeff I Jeff wants to move forward with it. We accepted that. We accepted the grant. on the asset management on the wastewater side. This is the this will complete the whole project if and this will come from water and sewers um not from town but we have to do it on the war article. What's in here?

I didn't put it in here yet because I Ben was on vacation. Um is it supposed to be in here? I don't know. I think he talked about it. Yes. So X9 is the Veterans Credit article. We've already talked about that. I just had to get the wording in here. And X10 is social districts. And I will get the wording and then we'll have to have a meeting before to have a meeting of what our regulations. Are we aren't we saving money so that we we can expand it like for a fire truck? Why would we do something special for a fire truck? Yeah. It's going to be more We don't have enough money. We won't have enough money in the fund to buy it. Why? Okay. I I I have a lot of Okay, we won't do that now. No, I

I have a lot of questions about utilization and why now and maintenance schedules. We can do that. I'll have Well, if Ben is putting it on, it's all good. It's all good. Yeah, if Ben is putting it on the warrant, wants to put it on the warrant, then he'll be in and he'll and we'll I'll schedule him. Okay, that's fine. We'll talk. It's the It's the normal wrapped questions, right? Am I is there anything missing that you can think of? I've got I had given the department heads a November 5th deadline, but I think Ben was going on vacation. So, um I didn't get anything from anybody else. So, I think that's good for this year. What's that? This year, even if everything gets approved, I mean, you're still looking at

Nope. We're still coming. We're we're we're going to keep going down the same road we have been for years of we're going to spend more money later than less money now. So, [clears throat and snorts] Well, so we should be looking at and there's Sorry, it's increasing the What are you talking about? The fire. Absolutely. Oh, yeah. But that's not what I'm talking about. I'm just saying everything in general. I mean, with the way we don't know with the school.

Oh, no. I'm not I'm not saying that in general. I'm just saying with that particular big ticket item, had we addressed that big ticket item four or five years ago when it should have been in alignment with what I've been preaching for years, then that we'd be talking about 6 or $700,000, which is now going to be over a million. So, and we're going to have to we have to order it earlier and it's going to take three years to get. Well, that's the issue. But let's wait to see what Chief says before we even go down this track. That's why I'm Listen, I'm trying to play FaceTime. You're going to get me started. So, just wait to hear from Ben. So, um if Ben doesn't do I'm trying.

So, there may be an AMU, um there may depending on where we go. If Ben's going to do the truck this year or ask to do the truck with the board this year, then um he won't do the other warn articles. If we don't ask, we may have to Well, he would ask probably to increase the fire equipment, but he's also going to probably ask to increase the ambulance reserve. Yeah. Which I don't know that may I don't know what his plan is with that. I was just curious if it would have been done, but clock tech. So, I don't think he'll do the ambulance reserve if he if the other I think he'll swap them off is what the what my understanding was. Well,

um, but there should be a lot of math behind the various communities and then how the depreciation of the assets and the maintenance of the assets are accounted for in the budget because he does a great straight up he does an absolutely great job of accounting for how the other communities are paying their fair share for ambulatory services. Like he does an amazing job at that. when we start talking about um the different assets, that's when I want to get really granular around, okay, how did we account for that in the billing to those communities for those assets because it gets dicey because you don't know which which ambulance actually goes to the thing, but yet we have the responsibility of the asset. So anyway,

well, we probably should increase the amount of mount going in the ambulance reserve. For one, it comes out of it's coming from revenues from generated by that and we should be saving enough so that we can replace it. But we and we're going to be behind historically at the current rate. We're going to end up being behind. Historically, that didn't happen going back way before all of us. And so now here it is our problem is is is what I'm what I'm getting. Well, the ambulance one's not too bad.

And what's driven me crazy about that whole replacement thing as far as CIP is concerned is it's weighted those three big piece those three big ticket items as the same value, but they're not as far as term of replacement. Yeah. So like there's, you know, just because of the usage that those vehicles get. Well, I I guess for me that's [clears throat] that I really want to kind of try to understand that better. Just, you know, candidly I don't like I I don't know what which vehicle are we talking about on fire engine too.

Yeah. Just 20 years old this year. I mean, the the the the challenge I think comes into the number of times I heard over the past week just from different people like they've gotten to the point where the tax bill is a monthly mortgage bill for them, right? Like and and I get this level of it is what it is, but but like that's how they're starting to really look at it, right? And the conversation has got to go to the services pieces like which services are we doing? Why are we doing them? Right. It just becomes an alignment of those things. There's no great way around it. Yeah. Just

But when they when when people are looking at the tax bill and they're calling it a mortgage, like I don't I'm not saying we have a lot of leverage. It just means I want to be extra diligent in the math. Yep. What services do you want to do with that? Right. it well and and how do we proactively you know make those ser you know curtail the expenses of those services down the road. This isn't about spending money this year and wanting to spend money this year. This is spending less money this year that we're going to spend next year for the for something that you keep kicking it down the road. It just keeps getting more expensive.

You know, it's it's like the goddamn buildings. Like had we gone ahead with the the what's it? Yep. Had we gone ahead been too the initial claim we would have saved $2 million dollars, you know. So, it's I know. Yeah, you're right. But that's what I'm saying. Just it's more diligence on that. This this isn't about want to spend money. This is about wanting to save money. Oh, yeah. Some of it also, I think, though, is is there an opportunity to change the paradigm and how we look at equipment and and and when it's used and whatnot. And I don't know that we can or we can't. I'm just saying those are the questions that come to mind for me. So,

um, am I missing anything else? Yeah, let's move on. This is going to cause plenty of discussion. Um, and or is there something you think should come off? I don't think there's anything that should come off. May potentially maybe the energy. Yeah, we'll discuss what that is, but that's not there's no dollar figure on that. I just want to make sure Joanne's on board or has a chance to weigh in because on that thing the CPA not to get off track. We're I'm assuming we're still waiting on DRA to set the tax rate. Yep. No, we're not waiting on DAR. We're still waiting on school. Oh, we're still waiting on publicly. Um and then we'll wait on DR.

So, we have two of the form um two of the things tonight are being submitted tomorrow, but it it wasn't being held up by us right now. Um, the school got in half of their stuff. So, good news is they're getting I did check the portal before I went to the conference and there was a bunch of stuff in there, but not everything was in yet. So, okay, we're done on war. Yeah. Um, MS535.

Um, this is so when I went into the portal, I think there may have been some confusion. It was never submitted for department review, DRA review. Um I think the auditors do this report. Um this is the they when they do our audit, they go in and then they do this financial report. Um it never got submitted for DRA review. When I talked to the auditors about it, they said that the finance office usually does that. We did not know that. Um so it's been submitted. Um DRA has it. They're good, but I need a signed co approved copy from the board. So, a vote and an approval. If you have any questions about it, let me know. I can

always make a motion to approve the 2025 MS535. Second. Motion by Sean, second by Dawn to approve the 2025 MS 535. Discussion hearing none. All those in favor I have it. Where is Oh, never mind. Sorry. What's that? Nothing. Economic development discussion. What are we discussing?

Um the the number 10 is a folder. The revamp discussion. Um the first thing is the letter to the existing EDC. Uh there is no number 10. Sorry, it's a folder. It's a full folder. Oh, I put So, inside that folder, fine. I should have listened. That's right. Inside that folder is the What is my computer doing? Um EDC documents. Those are from the old meeting in case you wanted to look at them. But number 10, the letter um we drafted that letter to send out to the existing members. I'm just going to make see if there's anything you think should be added. You're good with it?

I like it. So, it's funny, by the way, just for you guys, when it comes to economic development, uh, Bank Rate did their 2025 analysis of the top states to retire in. New Hampshire is number one. Number 50, you said. No, number one. What? Number 50 is Louisiana. Top SP state to retire in New Hampshire. I mean, I'm I'm surprised at that with the reliance on property tax, but but no income and no sales. Correct.

There's there's at least 20 states that have no income tax on retirement. Yeah, there's a whole thing about states uh comes down to safety, access to health care, which when we get to the select board thing, I actually do a healthcare thing. I got a question for all of you. Okay. So, we need a vote on that or Um, no. If you're good with just general consensus, I will. Um, so my plan is to get that out to current membership. Um, and then the second document in there is maybe EDC revamp packet. Um, I came I tried to come up with like a plans. Um I like the I like the new name you

so that was one of the things I tried to come up with a plan um how we would get revamp this and get moving on it. Um some of it we've already sort of we've already done um but if you go to the bottom um and then I tried to incorporate the all committees guidance that we gave out is really EDC type guidance as well. So I incorporated those into the plan. Um, and then if you go to the very bottom there, propose. My suggestion is we revamp. When we revamp, we rename them. You're sending this. What? Not the back one. Oh, no. I'll take it. I must have got stuck to something. Not the back.

I was just looking for all those. By the way, I didn't mean to give those to you. Give all that. I was like, did I print those?

Thank you. Sorry about that. So my my thoughts were is that we should re rename the economic development committee. So I actually use the AI to come up with some ideas and I really like the number one which is economic opportunity committee because they're not doing just development activities. Um there and then I came up with a tagline creating pathways for growth and prosperity and the mission would be to expand economic opportunities by attracting new businesses, supporting existing enterprises and fostering job growth for a thriving community. I don't know if we want to add anything else to that mission or not.

I think personally I like it.

I'm trying to rush works. That works for me. Okay, we're good with that. And then I will bring to your next So the there's a timeline 0 to 3 months. Identify, refresh, recruit, identify the refresh. So we're doing that. Recruit diverse members, update BDC web page, update business site, and develop plan for marketing the business site and the tourism site in zero to three months roughly. It'll take that long to get new membership in, but I'll bring you an uh advertisement. Yeah. The only thing I'm adding to the zero or I'd like to add to the zero to three months is the whole bit around getting the right relationships with um the state with BEA.

Would that be 3 to six though cuz it says conduct? Well, that has to change a lot. I don't know what I don't think so. I think I think once you get some Well, we get the members. It's going to take three 0 to three to get members by the time we get an advertisement and interview them. Totally fair. I got it. So developing that what did you say the um the relationship to the Bureau of Economic Affairs. Thank you.

I didn't I want to I want to make sure we align and understand what some of the outside forces are that are trying to push things around here. Um you know that mean there's obviously some there's some housing things. You know, Christine and I were talking about a spot in town. One of the things I keep thinking about honestly is like, is there a way to do I just talk to 3D printing of houses and will they, you know, if that's is that a salailable item? You can do ranches that way, right? And then that does that help us reduce the overall cost basis and produce a a superior product?

I don't know. So, I'll clean this up, turn it [clears throat] into a and then I'll bring this back a job technically like a job advertisement and then the general guidelines that we needed we want to update. So, I'll bring those back. Fair enough. But everybody's good with the new economic opportunity committee EOC. Okay. Um, I did speak to somebody that they're going to start putting a multiple units on a piece of property. I can't remember how many where pro near Prospect.

Yeah. Okay. I mean, I don't know if I can say who yet, but we can follow up later. All right. TA report. Okay. Technically, it that's not done, but it's going to have to be. Um, the first thing is TA report info only. That one is done. Um, you may want to look in the folder. the some of it. There's a presentation I did today with Nesset in front of a row of How' that go?

Um I started off a little weak. I It was funny because I said to them, um I know I'm a town administrator and I know that I'm on live TV week every time I'm in a select board meeting. I have a problem with that, but I have a problem in front of a room like this. So, but it got better. The room had what 75 or 100 people then?

No, there wasn't that much but it was still it was good. Um there were other town administrators um city managers. So made you a little nervous. Um Tom Mahal was there. So he's uh he's in London Derry now. [clears throat] So but um it was in it was good. It was very good conversation. So um and we had Adam group present with us too. Um but I don't um so there is a draft quarterly session document in there. I've changed it from what I've given you the past time and I did some kind a matrix kind of so the closed items once everybody's been notified that of the update are going to come off that um and then we can track where everything is. So um and the news there's the new stuff is on there. Um and then the last one on number five I don't know if you want um want to read it. Oh, that's what I forgot to ask when we did form articles. Um number five is a letter.

Yeah. Um my only thought was there's a mention on the second page about considering um exe exemptions and we've been we have been talking about elderly uh we've been talking about exemption limits bringing them up the income and assets bringing up the exemption and u maybe we should be considering that this year I can get Joanne work Joanne was already starting to work on it but I can get her working on that if that's something the board wants to I think it would be appropriate if we tried. I mean, we're trying to keep all the other fees and stuff current, right? Like, so the question just becomes is is it current, how does it compare to other communities,

right? Because if it's if it's the same as what other communities are now, then maybe it doesn't change. If it's way low compared to other communities, [clears throat] maybe it does. Is that the property I'm putting on? Which what the letter Brown speech? No. Um I think Hall Y but not the Not that one. Okay. It's fun. I really It's getting scary that I can actually read some of your minds. [laughter] Time for me to go. I feel like it's a spider episode. Imaginations of my mind.

Do you feel like there should be anything else from that letter? Um I'm going to talk to Joanne and we'll probably bring that to you um on the Warren articles. Um keep in mind if if we do increase our um exemption amounts, it does it will affect how much properties are or how many exemptions are out there right now? a lot. You mean how what number of them?

Yeah. Well, I think that's the analysis that I can get that for you. Like it's it's here's how it compares. Here's how we compare to other communities. Here's the decision to make and then if we go in this direction, it's this many houses and it's this much money and then that's the amount that gets redistributed to everybody else because that's basically what's coming out. Yeah. Right. It's a redistribution but at the same time, you know, it's What's the right thing to do? Yeah. Um, there are different age brackets. It goes from 65 up on the elderly. We have elderly, we have death, we have disabled, veteran, and then the veterans. But the veterans one, we're making it uh it's just

veterans one we already addressed, right? But we're making it it's pretty much just a lateral. We're just adding money because of what's being lost

because of what the state changed. Yeah. All right. Under discussion items, [sighs and snorts] uh, household hazardous waste. I talked to you guys at the last meeting meeting about moving it to September 24th. We talked to Lakes Region Planning Commission. Um, whoops, I already changed my note. So, we talked to uh Lakes Region Planning Commission about going earlier in August and they can't. They said they do two towns a month and they're booked. I even checked July, but they can give us September 3rd, which is the week before Labor Day. Oh, yeah. Labor Day is late.

Yeah. So, if you're good with September 3rd, that um we can get we can sign document and get that going. How much do you want to know? I may not be here, but that'll be fine. I might be in Vegas. What are we talking about? household houses we stay. You were concerned about the summer people, so we do. Yes. No, I'm sorry. I was I started reading the squirrel. Yeah. Letter uh number very good points.

TA number one, New Hampshire Department of Transportation letter. There are a couple of documents in there. Um we This is about the 10-year plan. we are being encouraged to

um or required to write a letter um the what we're getting is that so Glenn um from lakes region planning commission we're getting notified that um even though we participated in the gaset process Scott went there and talked um there are some concerns that the executive counselors were told that they could propose to add back a few more projects from each of their districts. So out of the projects that were cut, they could propose to add some back. It says though none of your projects were so the people who got this email, ours weren't proposed to add back. However, um the discussion is was said that they were also told to live within their means and to reassess all projects on the 10-year plan to validate whether they're still priorities. So, our project that's on the 10-year plan is now up for risk potentially. So, they um are asking that we that we send um submit a letter by Monday then November 24th. Um sending it in and I didn't know I want um if we want to keep it and what key points that you'd like me to mention in that letter I and I can get that done. Um let's see. Copy and paste the last one.

I know it says um do the projects that are in your community still have community support through citizens, elected officials, and managers? It does, obviously. Um could a scaled back version of the listed projects meet the needs of your community? Well, we already scaled it back because we cut the path and we cut one of the sidewalks, right? Yeah. Yeah. One side. The only thing I would add to it is the building's gone now. So that scope is needs to be a priority. A priority that pushing that sidewalk back a few feet would make the the traffic.

Yeah. I mean, when you come, you watch, you can stand down there all day long and watch the trucks go over the yellow line just so that their trailers don't I watched a cruiser, not one of ours. Yeah. Go. State police. No, another town come around that corner, wrong side of the road, flying. And I'm thinking, I probably should file a complaint because that was was his What? Was his lights on? Yeah. Oh, what? still need to address the Q&A. Um, then it says, "Do you have thoughts on what the scaled back version of the project would look like?" We don't have any. We don't want to scale back anymore, right?

No, we can't. If anything, you want to add to like we don't, but here's a question. Does not engaging with them make them avoid it longer or is there something that they're pushing for? You know what I'm saying? Like does the squeaky wheel get hit the grease and that's where Bill would be. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Bill was really hooked that far. Oh, we are on the list to potent to they said this letter says um stress it's a safety concern.

I would say start off with we appreciate your update on the 25 year plan. It does say attached to this letter is a focus list of impacted projects and we're on it roadway widening and shoulders for Oh, that's the one that was cut. Why would they put that? Because they may be reconsidering it to bring it back. This Well, it says um it's in all phases widening and shoulders for bike pedestrian travel from school street to the west. No, we didn't really do that. They're mixing these up. Mhm. Yeah. So maybe you want to make sure clarify that cuz that's recommended but that's not what we right the recommended is summer street

the wide room for bike pedestrian was that way school street to Danforth Brook it was that's the that's our priority our priority was it but we didn't say for bike did we I don't know okay it's the right one so we are on the list as if in all phases right now, but we could still be affected. Okay. All right. Safety. Can we say unlike towns like Nashville, we actually plow our sidewalks? Yeah. Even though they don't look like a sidewalk.

Saw the sidewalk operator out practicing the other day, too. [laughter] Actually, there there are other towns that have beautiful granite curved sidewalks and then they don't maintain. Yeah. And they go to nowhere. Yeah. We have a purpose and a safety concern and it's taken 20 years on the 10-year list and now they want to cut us. Okay. Do

I know why do hates so badly? Um t uh number two, TA number two is the MS434 which is the estimated revenues. I submitted it um to the department of revenue, but I wanted you to take a quick look at it um and see if you had any concerns or um so this is just estimated. We set the final when we when we do the tax rate setting. I actually will get on a conference call with them and I make adjustments usually. Mhm. Um based on where we're at and where I think we're going to be by the end of the year. Um sorry, this what's payment in lie of taxes? What does that mean?

It's um we have two properties that do payment of taxes. um which Riverview elderly housing so they're char they're a charitable I believe but they can um they can decide to give us money. I'm not saying it's no it was an agreement that was a HUD project. Okay. So there's a statute that says that if if they can do a payment in L taxes instead of or they could pay taxes but they would only pay the state they don't pay on the utility. They don't pay they only pay two of the four categories

and they pay the lesser of the they pay the lesser of the two. So the payment taxes is 10% of their shelter income rent income or an other income. So that's their 10%. Okay. And the meals and rooms tax distribution, how does the state figure that out? I have no idea cuz they change rules every year. Yeah. Oh, and during cuz it's a round number. Like it just like anytime I see a round number on something, I'm like, wait a minute. They didn't give me that number. I got that number from someone else. So usually they'll tell me when we do the tax rate setting. So that's um I had to cheat. Is the second pilot with the dam or is that the federal? No, it's the solar.

The solar. I know it was something. It's It's only It's like $600 or something like that. Yeah. Damn it. It tried to negotiate a pilot. That's right. But we never came to terms. So, the only thing we're keeping an eye on because when I did I did make one mistake and I can't change it right now, but I can change it when I get there is the income from department has $60,000 of ambulance revenue that I shouldn't have counted because it goes Yeah. So, but I'm going to watch because if this this number should go up and if this number goes up then I won't have in our system I won't have to change it. Okay. But I don't count it. I don't count 30 bucks. Actually, there's two things I have to check.

Where was 30 bucks, y'all? We get 30 bucks from the federal government for the Oh, yeah. State and federal forest land reimburse. Oh, yeah. We 30 whole dollars. Is that Why don't we get 15,000 for the floodway? So, what's the 30? The 30 is forest and land. Yeah. Oh, the state forest. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. The flood control is 14,000. Okay. That's that's something.

I do have to check on one other thing. And I'm going to talk to the NHMA finance. So when we lowered the tax rate last year, we we anticipated selling fire department. So we applied a big chunk of money to that. My So when I put the revenue in that includes the wholesale of the fire department, I'm not so sure it should. Okay. Right. Because you already accounted for it. Right. Because we we already used that technically to lower. Well, no, but I know we used up general fund knowing that this year we could put it back in,

right? But if we use all of this stuff as a revenue to offset the taxes, what does that mean? Still has to be accounted for until it still will, but this offsets your taxes is what I'm saying. this revenues that you so when I do the revenues to the state the these revenues offset your taxes like I'm not going to count the $60,000 ambulance because that's not offsetting your taxes that's going into another fund. You're still revenue though. Yeah. But you don't want to offset your taxes with $60,000 because you don't really have it in your account. It's in it's

You know what I mean? Yeah. That's a good looking Christmas tree. What? I don't know what they said. No, it's got nothing to do with what we're talking about. Um I guess you'd have to ask cuz Yeah. Yeah. I can I can understand the I can almost understand the um 60,000, but the the other one seems like No, we didn't use that. We we used extra from the general fun. Correct. knowing that we would put more have more revenue coming in. Correct. Because our estimated revenues for this year didn't include that, did they? Right. 200,000.

Okay. We we only estimated 200,000 because we weren't sure at the time. But no, it has to. Okay. So, I will double check on the ambulance revenue though because I I think that probably should too. Yeah. Check with them. See what their goals are because they get screwy with their Yeah. because you're you're not supposed to use you're not supposed to count money in the revenue report if you're not using it towards taxes and there's certain money for funds and certain like um you know we won't count the revolving fund money from the transfer station either okay goes into a separate account

okay on that yeah since the 60,000 is supposed to come from revenues so yeah that the 60,000 I can 500. We'll leave that. I'll ask her, but we'll I believe that we'll leave that alone. So, okay. Um, is there any other questions on the revenue and my um the these numbers are going to be very similar to the numbers that will be for 2026. Um, the only thing that's missing right now are um Ben's numbers. Um, I have to add those have to be added in. So I'll see the estimated [clears throat] revenues for your next meeting. So

So the only and we can get into it more later. I'm just thinking about the presentation about the budget at town meeting [snorts] and isolating where possible where the income, right, the revenues are attributable to a department. Is that Yeah, absolutely. Right. Like like making sure we tie it off. Yeah, we we touch on it every every year, but but maybe we could have a slideshow that says says highway said highways $50,000 and 50,000 comes from a block grant that offsets it. Something like that. Yes.

And buyers 1 million and they get 500,000 from revenues. Yeah. Yeah. the bottom lines. We can we can touch base on that detail, but but that's that's what I'm trying to basically.

Okay. Anything um any other com questions, concerns on re Oh, so obviously this numbers will change a little because we we won't have 500,000 or 200,000 for property sale next for next year. Um, but we will add in Benny's numbers and I'll have the I'll have the estimated or draft version for your next meeting for you to look at for next year. So, you can get those done. Okay. Right. I couldn't read your mind there. Probably could. [laughter] There wasn't much like there ain't much to read right now at 85.

Hurry. Uh, Christmas just for the public. If you haven't seen the Christmas trees in um it is a you know it is smaller but it's it's a beautiful it's glorious.

It is. It I've heard good comments from downtown group even. Um so the community events group is putting out a little message about um wire planted a tree. Um and then Monday we should have some other enhancements near the tree. My only concern that I didn't and I don't know if um is I had the electric installed so it's there. Um the tree is probably 2 ft away from it and it sticks up out of the ground this high. Okay.

Is there anything we could probably put over it instead of just have this bar and do you know you can get a fake rock cuz my concern is I mean, you know, an orange cone. It's It is pretty. Would you say a snowman? A snowman. What the I'm sure one of our crafty downtown decorating. No, we'll have a select board build a snowman night after it snows. There you go. No, no, I'm saying a artificial snowman. How about we do we could do a snowball fight down there? Okay. The other five trees were also installed. Thank you. [laughter] Yeah, they're just trees. There were three installed along um in square and two in Kelly Park. Got to move quick. We get

I did have someone I'm ignoring him. Um I did have someone who would raised a concern about the size the size of the trees. I did check the contract. I don't know where I I thought they were going to be 16 ft. They're not. I thought they were frankly they looked bigger than I anticipated them being good. I thought they [clears throat] were like four to five. It's way too late. So, what's the what's the contract? Two to two and a half, right? Yeah. So, I checked it. But the ones on Kelly Park are much bigger. I think those the Kelly Park contract might have been three to three and a half.

I was very pleased with the with the trees. As long as you're happy with it, I'm in I'm tell you know much better than I do. Here's what I found. Here's what I found. Here's what I found. Of the Yeah. 3 to three and a half at Kelly Park, but they were only two to two and a half in the square. I know. You want a four a four? That's a bit tricky to plan, you know. Uh private room building waiver. Um I just dumped that into your folders. Um, BRS Beach Road. This is a private road. We need to sign a notice agreement release of municipal liability and responsibility. Um,

so this isn't even under the new signature. I'm going to have to bring this back. Your signature page isn't here. Okay. So, um, but this is just one signature on it looked like. No. Um, can do we do we uh make a motion to have you sign it? I'll sign it. Yep. Right next to you. Used to be all five of you used to have to sign it. This form's changed. DY appointed agent. So, all right. Do we vote to duly appoint Donna? We just say he's it. Julie Don, they're demoing and rebuilding. [laughter] You can't dy dou. I think it does actually say select board represent. Julie Don is my CD here. It says uh select board of duly appointed agent. Yeah. So

So just do we appoint the town minister? Just motion. Oh Julie Donnie. All right. I'll make a motion that Don signs the class 6 road waiver for Browns Beach Road. Second. Motion by John, second by Scott. Discussion. All those in favor? Just because I'm signing, can you look at the pictures? Oh, you closed yours. Can you look Can you look at the pictures of um of what tree?

No. Um in your TA report discussion earnest. Yes. Um I'm Please tell me it's not an issue. Yep. What's the issue? Um I'm being we're being asked to do a violation notice because stop the driveway regulations the driveway permit is for a specific fee on the road. So, it is a violation if they've expanded that fee because they're exceeding the driveway permit.

They we provided they dumped more and now they've expanded all the way down. Can you guys go look at it? I I did look at it. I drove by it today. Who cares? It's kind of hard for us to have driveway permit regulations and not enforce them though. Was there a complaint by the highway superintendent? Just let it go. Okay.

I That's just me saying that. But here's the only thing I'd say, Christina, from at least from my perspective. He gets a letter that says, "Your driveway officially is from here to here. That's it. You get it. 12 ft. Whatever it is, that's what you got. You're only getting one. That's one curve cut, one whatever. Whatever. No, that's just Put the damn file on. Yeah,

cuz I can tell you what, and I haven't said anything, but my uncle's property down the end of the road has the same issue. And I understand where they're coming from now that I've actually used it a few times. And where you used to just pull off in front of the house, now you pull down in off the front of the house and it's going to be a pain in the ass for snow removal. So, you're not Yeah. No.

Okay. Um number Oh, the last thing. Beach project update. We just have a slight change in the schedule. Um they are um the bid is being advertised tomorrow. Um so they will advertise it tomorrow. We'll open the bids on the 12th at noon and then um go we should be going able to bring that back to the select board and on article after that. What are the bids for? What what are the bids for each change from and then we'll have to figure out how we're going to fund it. Yep.

Yeah. Okay. Put his uh just shirt back on. Anybody now? We're supposed to leave these. Yeah, you're not supposed to leave. Oh, we're not supposed to pack them up. Oh, that's all right. If you did, don't worry about it. Where did this was brought up in the budget committee and so was this put out somewhere? Trying to be kind. We're leaving these out. Yeah, just shut them down and leave them. If you already put them in boxes, don't worry. Um, is this a new policy? Things are so things are not being taken care of. One

sometimes and I don't know who where it's happening. We're missing mouse pads. We're missing mouse and we've had to go back through and label everything and then we have to track them down and find them. So, we don't know which committee is doing it. And I'm trying not to blame the select board. [laughter] I think revoke revocation of privileges. If they're not doing they're not taking it, we revoke their privilege to have it. All right. Select board comments. Yeah. I have one. Um, start that side.

Sorry. Um, well, I was watching them uh uh both take maybe it was just when they were planting. I was watching them uh I I took a look at the trees and I had a very nice conversation with a resident of the former Venos property. She had mentioned to me that is there a discussion about st a stairway going between the two properties? No. Okay. Well, according to her, has been talked about uh between someone at the town and someone in the building. So, not with me. Okay. Was she smoking?

Um, so it brings up I'm glad you brought that up because I don't remember who I talked to, but we've been getting complaints about the smoking in Central Square and the cigarette butts in Central Square. You're not supposed to be smoking on town property. So, I was thinking that we should probably send the letter. Yep. I think I would I would say so. I thought we already decided to do I don't know if we did here or not. I think I talked to you and I wanted to make sure. No, I thought we talked about it in the last meeting, but Well, you know what though? It was probably brought up in um session. Yeah. Yeah, cuz I don't has brought up here in a while. I'm gonna I'll get that done.

And then I had the other one we talked about earlier. Um do you have any reason that you'd want to put stairs in. By the way, no. Uh, I'm just making Do you think it was brought up when they were fixing the wall? I don't I don't know. No, I mean that's no one here. No, that'll be high department. Yeah. Okay. Um, they're paving November 24th. Uh, John.

Um, yeah. So, the one thing I wanted to I don't know what to we even could possibly do, but it feels like we probably owe it to the residents to maybe have see if we can get some of our state representation to come in and talk with us about how Grafton County and Bristol in particular is being treated as it relates to like healthcare and stuff like that. So I've heard from more than one person around there's a cut off of 93 and Grafton County is in a position where insurance companies are backing up of their social security uh Medicare uh extra coverage. So it's starting to put the residents at risk because they don't know what else they have for options and choices, right? And it's and it's a little bit akin to the stuff that was going on like TV stations, whatever. It's like whatever for whatever reason, Grafton County is being chosen and we're the recipients of that, but we are super close to that line. Like we are on that line. So what does that mean for Bristol? So I don't know what the state's trying to do to help figure that out, but we keep getting attributed in a way that's negatively impacting our residents,

right? That's their ability to get health care. That's the ability to stay here. That's So I have no idea. what what that means, but I it just feels like to me like we make a request to have see if we can get an audience of sorts when the state looks. We usually have a ref come in by now occasionally. Now, there's a woman knowing out of Plymouth, right? She's met with us. Katie Hburg, who's the guy that used to come in? Omar. Omar. Omar, but he's he's not. Anyway, I'm not sure what the right thing to do is to be honest, but it's it's really interesting. County Commissioner. Sorry. Who is the county commissioner now?

I can't remember her name. There's three of There's three of the one that beat over. What is Kenny? Joe Kenny is what? He's the executive. Oh, isn't it? What's her name from Alexandria? Didn't she had the Marsha Morris? Somebody came in. Maybe it is Joe Kenny is the right person to maybe I I literally I don't know. But like there's so much rhetoric flying around about this stuff. It just seems to me that we are getting keep getting caught in the middle of why the hell is Meredith and that side of 93 being well taken care of and we can't be Wendy Piper

I don't know what else we Wendy Piper Martha Mloud and Katie Heber are the commissioners. Oh, she's kidding. If she's who I think she is. Katie Hedber is a doctor. Yeah. Dr. Head. Yeah, Dr. She used to be down here. No, her pediatrician. Pediatrician. That's where. Yeah. Anyway, so so if we have an idea of something that we can do to sort of like try to push that along to get somebody to explain to us if anybody's even looking at it. Plymouth. Plymouth Pets. Yeah. So, yeah. There you go. That's what I got. Scott,

uh budget committee met this week and we are starting to go through the budget. We did uh outside agencies and also health agencies and regional commission advertising. But all that we added money back to the budget. Some a little bit uh some of them were at what was requested. Correct. it um regional advertising and regional we got the new numbers and there were more money so they added the money in for NHMA and Lakes region planning commission so and then outside agencies they added money for mental health lakes thank you lakes region mental health

and that was like 1,400 one of them was 1,400 the advertising was like 50 no it's a it was probably three or 400 total total But it really was we did line by line. So it wasn't no $15,000 or something. It kept um former nana to what we had left here. Um I think mental health was the only one that Yeah. Yeah. Is that as a result of mental health coming what they came in and talked about or Yeah.

Yeah. the need. She got the one that proposed the amendment had gone through the literature that she requested and the board she the board agreed outside agencies went from $39,98 to 40,814 and then advertising went from 7908 to 8109. So that's all we [laughter] that's all you guys have actually deliberated on. Three quick sections. Yeah. Yeah. The next um there's a next Tuesday is the next meeting and it's planning zoning, assessing land juice, Kelly Park, not Kelly Park.

Then we had a full board TTCC events conservation all those. I clicked on for about 38 seconds. [laughter] He walked into the room. I was like, "Holy Everybody laughed. It was funny. Other than that, I don't think there was any. It was mellow. And I don't think I have any other items. Sure. I will tell you really quick. Shore drive. I um I just got a bill for the panels, so I believe they're installed. I haven't got a confirmation yet. I might just drive by. Yeah. Oh, see the electrical panels.

The big solar panels, too. I not yet. We're kidding. And the winds up on top the pole. But it's gone. It's gone. Yeah, it's gone. All right. Driving in into town today. Just one of my pet peeves since we [clears throat] have a nice sign up by the lake now. driving in and the sign coming into town has that dumb looking deer on top. Is there any way we can take that off?

Sorry. It just drives me crazy every time. I'm being I'm being a JP now. I get it. But I don't even notice that. [clears throat] That just drives me. It's the dumbest cartoon. That That needs to be the mascot at Dawn's like place. Take Take it off. Oh, I put it up on the side of my barn for Christmas cuz it looks like a stupid reindeer. [laughter] That just drives me. Do we want to put up a different animal? No, we just want to take that down. A bear and a loon on the other two signs. Take those off, too. The whole thing looks like it was It needs a reindeer nose. Yeah, I'm going to go I'm going to get a red light.

We need to decorate it for every holiday. Sorry. I got I got some evolved. I just had to get that chest. So, I'm taking We should bring back the old that down, right? We should bring back the old symbol, too. The kid. Well, they [laughter] with you on that. Okay. Anyway. Okay. What else you got? Yay. I'm good. I already did. I motion to adjourn. No, we didn't ask him any to have any saying anything.

I will let you know that I'm not doing I'm going to do combine this week because it's been a crazy schedule um and I was gone for two days and next week's Thanksgiving. I'm combining the two week manifest together. So, you will have um a manifest coming to you on Monday. Um, and I'll need to turn the approvals around pretty quickly, so I can print. Um, I don't necessarily have to mail them all, but I do have to pay certain media manager. [clears throat] We'll get it back out to you. Um, couple minor things. Uh, yeah, yes, we are doing food drive, but the tree lighting uh is coming up the Friday after Thanksgiving.

I have. Yep. Uh, and also one that the Lions Club starts selling their Christmas trees that weekend. It's not the Lions Club, is it? Rotary. Rotary. I'm sorry. Rotary. The Lions Club will be at the tree lighting. Yes, Lions Club will be at the tree lighting. Rotary Club will be Christmas trees and then the festival of trees will be at the historic hall. Yes, I do need to talk to someone about the Lions Club location cuz they I don't think they can go where they used to go. Yeah, cuz the building's gone and we've kind of put them in the parking lot first. Yeah, we could we could

We have a parking lot now. Come on. Right there. Right under Put there in the spots. You can put them in the b the front spots, the ones that were just created. Yeah, the front bonus. That's

So I I got one other thing that um my constituent brought to me. Um and it kind of makes sense, but I I need input to tell me if it's stupid or not. Is making School Street a one way going that way as well as North Main. um because it would eliminate some of the issues here with traffic and then also in discussing the parking lot, it would give people that did want to do the right turn only thing a easier way to navigate to turn around.

How will it affect um the there's a really sharp corner on Cedar Street going down How would it what how would it affect that? Or would you have them go down main? Because there's do not enter right now that could all flow that direction and you could actually make which way? One way just saying that one way going all the way down can't come out and then have Bayu go one way and dump down to North Main as well. And you're saying North Main go out and then everybody goes out via the via the car line to pick up kids at the end of the days and then back up into the main street for sure.

Oh that's right. The car line at school tuck and roll king [laughter] good. I don't use the car line but I've seen it. And then also the bus line the buses would have to load on the opposite side. Here's the thing. If they do close that school, I'm not talking about changing North Main. Oh, I thought you would talking about having both going north. Yeah, but then if you're going in North Main and you want to go out Summer Street, you have to go up and around and that'd be more traffic on the Union. It's a nice ride, though. That's more traffic on Union in that time. I had I had somebody suggested it and I said, "Let me toss it out there."

The only other thing I'd say about it is it it was part of the that whole thing was part of the the school. I should check that plan. That's good. Well, then the whole square project too, people can say that, you know, the grant money was funded. Part of that design was to get rid of that little street on the square. Technically was still We lost 30 parking spots there though. 30. Yeah. [laughter] Just try I'm just I I the reason I it piqued my interest is just cuz the issues pulling out of here. Oh, it's pain. Oh, yeah. It Well, try pulling and pulling in. They block the whole road. You

didn't We had a discussion on that about putting a sign do not block driveway. Well, no, it's not the driveway as much. They're actually forget that people have to turn on the road in the middle because they don't want to go over the drain. That's true. Yeah, we should probably white stripe it. Yeah, it have to be yellow. Yellow stripe it. We should probably strike. Yeah, that's true. Strike it. Well, cuz now just people just go if if they have that, they will channel over. Yeah, just pull it in here at night. I had to wait for a guy to pull to get it. Well, you have that massive.

You can end up with gridlock here pretty quick. So, someone else also, if we're talking about striping here, they also suggested striping down Central Street, just so people realize it's a two-way. I don't know. I don't know if you really can. Central Street. Mhm. So, like in front of the brewery down around the corner. Yeah, that's going to be messed up. But interception. We should eliminate the parking there. So that [snorts] I fought for that parking. I was kidding. [laughter] I was kidding. Yeah, we got some more parking now. We can start eliminating some parks.

That's right. If we did back in diagonal parking downtown, we'd gain a couple. Anything else, Mr. Chair? No. Kate, would you like to save my piece? more ideas any further. Um Kate is doing a great job on the website. [clears throat] Um it is taken a lot to get that thing pretty cleaned up and he's had to do a lot of it. So one one thing I noticed when I was on it tonight is the uh the logo in the top left does not act as a as a home button. That really annoys me, too.

Yeah. So you got to go you got to scroll down to the bottom. Scroll down to the bottom. I can um I can put in a ticket for that. See if it's fixable. Oh, if you go if you navigate away from the homepage and then click on that logo. It doesn't take you back. Yeah, it should take back to the home page. [snorts] It's funny when I just clicked on it, it just took me to the home page. It I was already on the homepage though. Yeah. So on the homepage, you click on it and it refreshes and you're there. But everywhere else, but everywhere else it won't do it. Yeah. When you're already there. Yeah. All right. Yeah. So see Yeah. There's some [laughter] there's some content that is dated in there. Yeah. Yeah. The projects goes all the way back to this building. You could probably get rid of that.

Yeah. On the fire department, it still says that there's a fire. That's their fate. No kidding. I know. Oh, that might have been though because some things So, some things um there was a period of time where if anything was updated on this site Yeah. It did give I figured that they didn't give us a list of the differences. So, we're catching them. So, okay. I've gone through two Kate's gone through way more, but I took time and sat down and went through two pages and went through every single piece and said, "I can't fix this, Kate. I don't know how." Yeah. And he he fixed them. So, anything anybody notices, let me know. Yeah. Okay.

Much appreciated. I'll send you the list. [laughter] You ready? Motion to adjurnn. Second in favor. All right.