Cc - Regular Meeting

get a call out and come back [clears throat] smelling like smoke. Don't come back. That's what happened that last time. Remember that? Felt like the whole thing place smelled like a barbecue. Remember that one? All right. We'd like to welcome everybody who's in attendance this uh this evening uh both in person and online uh for our city council meeting of November 20th, 2025. We have invited and would like to invite uh Bishop Ch Alan Cochran to offer a thought reading or an invocation is from the Brigham City 25th ward. Afterward after uh Bishop Cochran, we will invite Council Member Smith to lead us in the pledge of allegiance. Bishop Our father in heaven, as we gather here from this big city council meeting this evening, we ask a blessing on all those that are here that uh they will feel a part of the process of running and governing the city that voices of concern may be heard and felt and that decisions made by the council may be thoughtfully made that all all ideas that have come together that they will hear those and make decisions that are in the best interests of the of the residents of this city. We ask for the the help in making good solid decisions. We ask for each person here to show kindness towards others. We ask pray for this in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen.

Amen. Please rise. Salute. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Thank you, Bishop and Council Member Schmid. I appre we appreciate you starting us off right. We have two consent items. Uh and uh the approval of the November 6, 2026 city council meeting and uh the request to write off utility account due to being sent to collections. Have a motion on the consent items. So move motion to accept or approve sorry approved by council member Hip. Motion and seconded by council member Jensen. Is there any other discussion on those items? All those in favor? I

thank you. Motion passes. We get to move to one of the most exciting parts when this happens in city council and that's employee recognition and we get to do oaths of office for uh uh some uh fireman for and uh we'll turn the time over to the pop and chief poppleton to

Thank you. Good evening everyone. Oh glad to be here. Yeah, you're right. is it's an awesome time to get together in recognition of some advancements that are in that have happened in our department. So, um let's see. So, again, uh thank you, Mayor Bont, and members of the city council. Um tonight, we are honored to recognize uh three individuals who have earned advancements within our department, a battalion chief, a captain, and a a paramedic. and we appreciate the opportunity to conduct this oath of office and badge pinnings before the council, our community, our department and and and the families who support these members every day. Um first of all, I'd like to start off by asking Battalion Chief Yates to come on up here with me and he's coming up here. And so um Dustin is has been promoted to to the rank battalion chief and uh this rank carries a high level of responsibility and emergency leadership uh personnel support and training. Uh Dustin's been with Brigham City for uh 20 years now. Started so a long career here with Brigham City.

I think technically he'd probably be considered born into the

That's exact That's exactly right. So, and then um and that on October 1st is when he took on the position of battalion chief. So, he's been in it for about a month and a half and and he's hit the road running and and with training and stuff and and we're excited. So, with that, um next invite uh Doug Higgins up. You you stay up here. Come on up here. You I'm not gonna let you sit down. I'm gonna get you all three up here. So, so Doug Doug Higgins was just re recently promoted uh to the captain position within our department and the the rank of a captain um is a fundamental part of our operation providing supervision, mentorship and leadership amongst his crew and the other crews and we're excited for that. Doug's been with the department for nine years now uh in that and uh he was uh promoted and official on October 1st so he's just barely new getting going. um did some hunting and had a little bit of time off. So, what is this? This will be like your next third rotation or something in in the captain position. So, we're excited for that. And then we got height. Huffing. Come on up here, Camden. I'd like to introduce Camden Oswald. So, he um he we're recognizing him. He got went through the paramedic program uh back on was it around August 19th or so. You were you graduated from that. So, um dive right in and and got went through that. So he's earned the designation of paramedic and the paramedic physician is a demanding and vital role that requires adva advanced knowledge and skills as well as strong patient uh patient uh or commitment to patient care. Sorry. So we're excited for that. So um he uh yeah you've been so you've been running for a little bit as a paramedic and yeah glad he's in that position. So come on up here. So next we'll just uh we'll move into the oath of office. Bringing them all up here. Fig we do it all at the same time. So turn the time over to Christina.

Check the names. Make sure you're right. I got the right certificate. One more picture, boys. We'll [laughter] move on to the badge pinning uh ceremony part of this. And uh if I could, I'd like to invite Echo up to do the badge pinning for BC Gates. Awesome. Colle

And lastly, but not least, Lawrence is here if she wants to come up here. Yeah, I was gonna say both of And again, I just wanted to take a second just to congratulate congratulate you all three of you on your advancement and your hard work in the department and stuff like that. And I also wanted to make mention too that uh Chief Dwison really wanted to be here tonight, but under the circumstances wasn't able to be here. And I just wanted to let you know from his words that he wanted to let you know that he appreciates you all and he's proud of all of the all of your accomplishments so that he opened to be here.

We're all very proud of you. Thank you. Congratulations. Thanks, Assistant Chief Pleton. I appreciate you taking care of those badge paintings and promotions for Thank you.

We will now move on. We have two public hearings scheduled for this evening, and we'll move on to the first one. First, we will need a motion to open up a public hearing for the consideration of a resolution amending fiscal year 2025 26. So moved. We have a motion by council member Jensen. Do we have a second? Second. Second by council member Jeff. Is there any question on that? All right. Uh, all those in favor? Normally you do the presentation. Yes. I'm sorry. And then just texted me with something and it's got my mind spinning. So it's been a minute. So

And it's been a minute. So we invite Okay, we have a motion in a second. We'll invite Tom Carter up here to uh present the uh the uh subject matter of the public hearing and then we will call for a vote. Thank you, Mr. Oiler. All right. Awesome. Um so yeah, as we talked about, so we're going to just do a quick presentation about some of the items, two of the items for the required budget adjustment. So, for the first item, u I'm going to have Superintendent Casey Smith join me and he's going to kind of just explain a little bit of of why we're uh proposing a journeyman meterment position of the electric department and what exactly that entails. So, I'll just turn it over to Casey and let him go.

So, as Tom said, power department has a strong need for a journeyman meter position. Um, sorry. With the current growth of the city and our aging metering system, um, our current staff can effectively maintain and put out our and help grow our metering network. So, um, and our metering, it's a fundamental component of our of the power department. Um accurate mean accurate meteries is important for all the customers and it's especially important for the power department for our revenue generation. Most importantly are our commercial meters that have ETS current transformers. Um these transformers they over time start to fail. They get saturated. they don't capture most of the load that the customer is using. So, we need a person that can go and test and repair or replace these CT meters. Um, and then we also have a lot of our meters, they over time they just start to fail and we need a dedicated person that can go out and replace these and repair them in a timely manner. Um, also right now our substation crew and our resource specialists, they manage all our metering and take care of all of the metering issues right now in addition to their primary responsibilities. So we this this task alone takes up more than half of their time which leaves less focus on um

task like maintaining our substations and stuff like that. We think that by getting a journeyman meter on our staff. This will free up um resources for our substation crews and our resource specialist. Um the German meterman Tom has a great example of what a meterman does. His task specifically will be to for maintenance testing or repair of our metering system. He will install CT meters, wire them for new commercial builds. He will address power issues for our metering systems and um he'll also manage our customer nonpays, our disconnects and any other related issues for that in in working this through. We fully anticipate this position to pay for itself uh by making sure our meter metering is correct. Um, as Superintendent Smith talked about it really that those CTEs and the other metering side of things, it's so important to view it as kind of like getting the right information for the cash box of the city or on the city side. And it's also critical for our customers that they have the right information for that them. Um, as far as costs, what we talked about, so we look at this, the personnel, um, for the remainder of this year be about $135,000. And then we also fully anticipate needing a new vehicle, uh, for this individual. Full disclosure, that vehicle is probably a little high. We just got back uh, bids for purchases for our police vehicles, and they came in right around $42,000. That information just like came in like today. So, uh, that's where we are with the meterment. But any questions while I still have Casey up here with me.

Thanks, Casey. Council, do you have any questions? I think that I'm going to ask a question. I know we answer them and have these guys uh talk about this publicly. Is there is there a chance that some of our CTs are actually overing when and there's a potential that we could be overbilling some of our customers?

Yes. Um I don't believe we are overfilling. They start to fail. They become saturated and it's more of a we're not capturing all their the load they are using. So this position is not a meter reader. Um that is not what is needed. We have the AMI system built out that the readings take place through that. There are some times where we do need to go get a physical read and the meter man position will take care of that. This is not meter reading. It is much more than that. If you think about it, as I talked to Casey, he helped me understand educated me like really when you go to the in my world like electric school to be a journeyman or something like that, there's different paths you can actually pick. You can pick a journeyman path, a substation path, or kind of a beaterman path. And so we obviously have journeymen and they're excellent. They're great at what they do. We have substation guys. They are amazing at what they do. And we are asking those people to go do something that is outside their expertise. Uh they're really good at it, but it's just taking so much of their time. We're pulling our substation guys. 50% of their time is dealing with metering. Um and you think about our substation's multi-million dollar assets that the city has. And again, we fully anticipate this position will fund itself through getting the correct information to the cash register. So, I think Kate, you correct me if I'm wrong, but our meters perform much more than just reading electricity is going in and out in and out of the home. It's also a way to track down when power outages happen in between. And if if those aren't functioning correctly, then it takes longer for for that to be tracked down when there's a squirrel or a sparrow or a starling or a branch that crosses the line and causes an arc and a and a and a fault.

Yep, that's correct. These meters, they uh they've cut our outage times, I'd say, more than in half. And being able to find the problems and stuff like that, they're pretty important that way, too.

Thank you. like to add add to this to the council. Um about a year ago, we started looking into this uh position and the need for it and what it meant to the city. I asked KC, Troy, and Lisa and along with uh our substation employees track their time spent on metering. And it was amazing how we found that instead of them doing the jobs they're hired for, they're spending over half of their time doing a job that they're not quote unquote qualified for. And when I say qualified for, I don't mean they're not qualified employees. It's not what they're trained in in their specialty. Um, we were worried about the accuracy as Casey brought up, but we've done some preliminary testing on our own and this is where we get the information. We believe this is a self-funding project. We had another city bring another city's meterment offer to come spend some time working with us and they came up with their test equipment. They went to four locations in town to verify the metering on it. At three of the four locations, they found the meters were wired wrong and they were only capturing about twothirds of the power going through. That right there is a big red flag to us. And the reason that carries over is because again, as Kate reiterated, our metering has been done by journeyman wid. They are not metering people and been trained in metering. So when they go to wire something, they will go to a prior location. They will take a picture of it to see how it's wired and then they'll take that picture as a reference and they'll go wire in the new facility. If anything in that is wrong, they're going to mirror it and put it in the new facility. And that's

what we have found. So with the little bit we've done research wise, we've we're finding these errors right off the bat. We don't how embedded into the system they are, but we know there's a substantial amount of them out there and making this correction and capturing the full usage is more than enough. We feel that probably the cost of this position. Thank you. Any clarification council questions?

Well, I do. If if this is something you guys looked at before and you've been working on it, why is this such an urgent need? Why cannot it wait till the next budget cycle? I'll I'll take that. I think he goes, "Well, hold on. Let me let me clarify the question then." Because if you're saying it's going to pay for itself, I can respect that. But that takes time to pay for itself. You got to upfront the cost. So if you're going to buy a vehicle, you got to upfront all that cost. I know there's money in the budget to do that, but that takes time to pay that back. Correct.

I think that the answer that question is directly at the mayor and I frankly not staff. So obviously the request was made through the budget process um from uh public power for this position um is we we felt like uh we wanted to do some additional research as staff as we looked at it um and that frankly the you know Tom brought another uh city's meterman in did a little bit of just testing to see you know what they would find. So yeah the request was made through the budget process. that did not make it through the mayor's budget and we asked for additional um information justification and justification and the reason it's coming to the city council um midyear is because we you know the mayor and I felt like we'd receive the justification that we needed and you know we're good to move forward at this point in time. Obviously, that's the city council's decision, but this is not um something new to us. Obviously, new to the city council, and that was held through the budget process for additional information and justification.

Go ahead. You first.

It's a constant check of the heaters, right? I mean, do you go in and you repair one of these because the CTS are things that can they're constantly checking and you can get reading from a commercial building or whatnot know that one leg is not getting that's correct. And then once it's corrected or we'll have a schedule and we'll be going through and continually checking these and and then you will get a baseline of where they're at and see if things are changing. Also, as we go through and test them, we'll log all the information and we'll be able to tell, okay, this time our reading was this and now it's way low. You know, we know something's wrong. And then we can we have a tester that can test these current transformers. There's a picture of them right up there and see they have a name plate on them with a rating and we can see if they're within tolerance like that.

The wage that's listed on there that's for a full year but we're halfway through the year. We need to adjust that down.

That is not for a full year. So that's the fully burden. Um and it also includes because of the how it will structure there will be a promotion that takes place also within the power department where our substation journeyman this new proposed position will report to him. So he'll become a foreman have a crew that's working with him and reporting to him. So yeah so it is a fully burden like when it says wait it is benefits retirement it's the whole thing. That's a very good clarification and yeah it is step back for being third of way through dinner. We have someone internally ready for this job or we hiring outside.

Uh it will be posted once council is satisfied you so there is a second there's a second. So, this was just the first. We have another item that's also on the budget adjustments. So, I still want to make Casey stand up here for the public. He would love to. I mean, if we're done with Kate, you let us know. [laughter] Great. I would love to have Casey stand by me for every single meeting. He is very intimidating. Good job, I think we're satisfied, Casey. Thank you.

I cannot say enough good things about Casey Smith. uh how he has worked for our department and accepted responsibilities and he's gotten some battlefield promotions and he excellent. So for some full insider transparency, we first told Kate he was going to do this as a joke, but as a tribute to the man he is, he took that joke and he turned it into a serious presentation. I think he did a great job. Thanks, Casey.

Uh so the next part of this, I think Chief Reyes has a presentation he may want to give as well. one of these interesting worlds we live in where we have the public hearing then there's the action items all that stuff and so the other budget adjustment as we have talked about is um we are proposing to the council the Brigham city move it's dispatch services to weaver the weaver area dispatch 911 emergency services um you can read up there some of the concerns we had and I Chief Reyes and Chief Pppleton speak to those a little bit better than I can. But really the the things you see up there.

Mayor, do you want to have Chief Reges do the presentation now? Okay.

So that's the Chief Ray makes his way up hopefully. I can't see behind me. My train's coming. But anyway, um [laughter] really the desired outcome of all of this is we want to improve the safety of our men and women who put themselves at risk doing their jobs. That is the goal. I'll walk through this. I'm Chief Ray as the chief officer behind me now. Just quickly, I'll explain how it kind of works in the Weaver area dispatch their funding model. They are a separate taxing entity. Uh so really to get the the funding, what they do is they just look at our taxable value just like we do and we set our tax rate. So they have a tax rate in there of 0.0000163. We apply that to Bergam City's taxable value and it comes with about $340,000. City has budgeted dispatch. We currently have not been paying for dispatch. County has had a long-standing agreement that they've kind of handled that has changed um some discussions with the county a little bit, but we were prepared. We felt like, hey, the city, not the city, the county may begin to invoic this for that. So, we wanted to, we felt it was very likely. So, through the mayor's budget, we put in the last two years,

the last two years, we put $250,000 into the budget. We talked about with council, we already have $250,000 in. We are requesting an additional $90,000. That money will come from interest income. We do the budget we need. Again, we we try to be conservative with this. Interest income has been doing well. We fully anticipate again interest income to be able to handle that increase for this year. Um and again, Matt, to your point, I'm not entirely sure if we'll get the full 340 death when we were we were area dispatch. Just being safe, we put the whole amount in. We may not I don't know fully if we will receive the full year to 340 or not. So that's in the budget as if it's the full year. And so with that I'll turn it over to Chief Ray. I believe he has a presentation. We'll get out of the way.

Thank you, Mayor and Council. Uh, Chief Pson and I are going to kind of tag team this because it is a a public safety issue, not just police, but fire as well. And I've had a couple questions from some of the council members as to why the big public showing or I'm sorry, yeah, the big public showing of public safety, the the police and firemen that are here. Um, and really like the the slide that Tom put up kind of stated, the the purpose for this is because we want to improve the safety of our responders, but also the safety of our citizens and and uh the the showing from our public safety groups is here because this is so critical to them that they want to express their their uh belief in this change and they want to also express their gratitude to the city council and to the mayor. um and city administrator for their diligent efforts to make this happen. We know it's a heavy lift and it's a a very impactful and monumental change, but it's something that we feel is is crucial to maintaining safety for our our first responders. So, um this is just a quick presentation. I'll kind of go over uh the high points from a high elevation, but I'm willing to entertain questions if you have any. So, next slide, please, Christina. So, the the key concerns that we've kind of addressed and and just to give the council a little bit of backstory, I've been here for four years with Brigham City. Uh Chief Lewis has been here for five years and we have repeatedly addressed our concerns with Boxelder Communication Center over those years to try and affect change to try and uh progress the Boxelder Communication Center into the future and and uh discuss best practices with them and and even provided SOPs. Um, we've had meetings with state uh DPS officials who

are over the dispatch center and really all of our complaints and concerns have fallen on deaf ears. Uh, we've been told excuses like if uh if you guys want it, you got to get everybody else on board. We're not going to do something special for Brighgam that we don't do for the rest of the county. I I've even been told we don't work for you. We work for the state and you're going to kind of take it or leave it. That wasn't said, but that was what I interpreted and what was implied. And so really we [clears throat] were kind of left with no options and um in July of this year uh it kind of came to a head when the servers went down. So the the dispatch system that we have are maintained by the county there. There's some servers that are maintained both for fire and police that are critical to the computer aated dispatch and those went down and we were dispatching off of pen and paper for almost two weeks. We had offers from other PAPs in the area uh Weber and and Logan as well to uh dispatch for us and uh they were basically turned down and said no we're fine on pen and paper and we really weren't fine on pen and paper and so that's when we kind of explored um the alternatives of going to a another dispatch center and then uh after that tragedy occurred and um the tragedy I'm speaking of is is the uh officer involved incident in Tmont where we lost two police officers and and a third one was shot. And uh I'm not casting blame and I'm not here to to throw stones or anything like that. I'm just here to to impress upon the council that um some of the things that we have asked for to be changed over the four and five years were were not changed and

contributed in some way to the tragedy that occurred. And so that that kind of uh propelled us uh into a rapid pace of trying to affect this change. and we have gone to uh Weaver and and uh had some meetings with them and [clears throat] talked with some of our other local uh law enforcement partners who um support this change. And that's kind of what we're here for tonight is to go over over this presentation with you and and get your input on it. So, the desired outcome is uh improved responder safety, improved citizen safety, uh higher capacity and capability. And again, I'm probably getting into the weeds a little bit here. I said I was going to stay high level, but I do think this piece is important. Um I did have a meeting with Commissioner Mason, the new DPS commissioner for the state of Utah, and also Colonel Rapage, who has since been replaced with by Colonel Holly after Colonel Rapage retired. and they acknowledged that they have deficiencies in their dispatch center. They uh in fact uh Commissioner Mason told me and I believe he told me in a very sincere and genuine way that he is going to move mountains to improve the quality of the dispatch center that we have here in Boxelder County. I believe him. However, um it has now been a couple months since then and we're still seeing the same deficiencies. And I can give you examples, but those same problems that have occurred for four years that led to tragedy or or at least uh contributed to tragedy are still occurring as early as last week. And so I do believe that DPS has every effort or has every intention of uh moving mountains to improve their dispatch center, but I honestly don't believe and and neither do the the public safety first responders that are here in the room today that we have time to wait. That's how critical this is. Oh, next slide, please.

So, this is the operational impact that will occur um for Weber Dispatch Center. They've analyzed their call volume. Some of the concerns that we've heard, and we acknowledge these concerns, are that uh there'll be a higher call volume. There'll be um dispatchers having to take calls from residents of Brigham City and then possibly transfer them if they're just outside of the city lines to uh Box Elders dispatch center. But they've done some analysis and uh we would go to uh the north channel in Weber and you can kind of see they've they've uh uh put up a comparison with Ogden's channel and so north north or sorry north's channel is pretty pretty slow and uh they believe they have the capacity to handle all of our calls and and uh dispatches without any concern. Next slide please. So the the pros and cons um again our desired outcome is to improve safety for everyone but the advantages are um it aligns with they they follow uh more closely best practices for the nation not only for the state of Utah and so some of the uh policies and protocols will be will be improved. Um it it enhances our safety and efficiency and uh it provides uh funding to service all the agencies in Weaver County. So that that participate in that district and it's not only Weaver, it's Morgan. Morgan County also participates in this district. The challenges that uh we've identified or the potential impact on mutual aid coordination. Um, that is something that has been brought up repeatedly and I think I've had some discussions with city administration and even council members. The the reality is is there will be um there will be call

transferring. Um it has been greatly uh minimized over the last few decades. But for example, if a uh caller because we share the Walmart property, Brigham City has the the parking lot and Perry City has the the building of Walmart. If we have a caller that uh calls 911 from inside the building inside inside of Walmart, but they actually need an emergency response to the parking lot, what's going to occur in that case? that caller is going to be uh that call is going to be answered by the boteller communication center and they're going to have to transfer that caller to Weaver's dispatch center who's going to dispatch us. Um the state it's currently and and according to the director of Weber's uh dispatch center they're about uh a month or two hopefully the the target date is by the end of the year um of implementing a cat to cat system and basically what that is is it's an automatic system where if we takes a call that needs to go to box eldelers dispatch center it'll populate weaver will enter all the information and it'll automatically populate in box elder system. And we hope we're hoping that some of those um concerns with transferring calls will be alleviated with that by the end of the year, but it is a reality. Um that kind of goes into the crossber 911 mis routes and then uh of course they're going to uh need to increase their staffing at Weaver to handle our call volume that's going to them. um DPS, the commissioner Mason, uh he's been involved or at least made aware of our intention and our desires to switch to Weaver. Um we've been in communications with him and and uh we felt like it was important to list his concerns on this slide, but their concerns are basically removing a city, Bighgam City, from the middle of the county and putting it in another area. Um and then the 911 issues that we'll have. Uh I think um you know some of the concerns that that were brought up

through these discussions over the last few months have been what if uh Brigham needs a back immediately. So if if one of my officers were involved in an incident where they needed additional resources to help if they got on the channel that we're on currently then everybody in the county is going to hear that call for help and they're going to come or vice versa. If somebody in parody needs our help you know we're not going to hear it. And so that's one of the concerns and it's a valid concern. But I'll tell you, I uh worked most of my career in Salt Lake County. Salt Lake County is one of the smallest counties geographically in the state of Utah, but as we all know, it has the highest population. In that county, there are about 27 different law enforcement agencies in that small county. In that county, there are four different PAPs, four different dispatch centers. And the the reality is I started in 1998 and if I was working in Riverton or Haramman or somewhere on the south end of Salt Lake County and I needed help from a Sandy officer, all I did was get on my radio and say I need help and they let Sandy and Draper and Midbell and everybody else know that I needed help and the delay in service was was fractions of a second. So I I don't believe that that's a valid concern just because of my own experience. Um, and then again, uh, Commissioner Mason's other concern was we haven't given them adequate time to address situation or to move mountains like he said he was going to do. I feel we have and I feel um I I do believe again that he's sincere in wanting to affect change uh for the positive, but I just don't believe we have the time to wait and uh the last two months hasn't proven that they're doing anything to improve their processes. Next slide, please. So, the next steps, uh, we did meet with, uh, Chief Pleetton and I did meet with Weaver's board of directors. They, uh, had an attorney draft, their

attorney draft an interlocal agreement between us and and Weaver 911. Um, our city attorney has reviewed that agreement. Uh, we believe it's a pretty solid agreement and, uh, their board voted unanimously to take us on as a customer. So next steps are just to give this presentation to you guys and let you ask me questions, concerns, anything like that and then uh entertain a vote from you. Bob, did you have anything that you wanted on the fire side? I have just more questions on my hand. If there's anything you want to add, council, we got both chiefs up here. Any questions, concerns that you need clarification on, please ask them now. far as from a citizen's perspective, they dial the number, nothing's going to change, right?

They'll they'll be answered by not a Weaver 91. Right. But but correct. From the citizens point of view, they're still it's not a change at all. No, they're going to get the same service time. We expect faster and better service. Frankly, I believe they'll get a high a much higher quality service. We signed a contract or what's the time frame on this? Correct. It's a it's a five-year interlocal agree I'm sorry, four year four year in a local agreement. Um and it's auto renew for two years after that two year renewal options. Yeah. Can it be shortened? Does it have to be a four-year contract or

I think I think it does need to be a four-year contract. At least from Weber's perspective, they they were actually uh trying to push for a fiveyear and we negotiated it down to a four. Well, the reason I'm asking is your point when you talked about that you haven't seen much move in the last couple months. I understand that respect. We've had this discussion when you brought it to council. However, I don't it's not that they didn't take you seriously, but they didn't know what action the city was going to take. once after our meeting of was it months ago maybe you brought this to our attention. I I I know where you're going with that.

County commissioners have reached out to me and maybe some others and and addressed it because they they now look at okay Brigham City is serious about moving to Weber County. So they're they're saying hold off let's fix it. So if you don't trust Yeah. And I'll just answer that frankly and candidly. Um, Commissioner Mason with the state of Utah knew very well how serious we were and uh, it wasn't only me in that meeting. It was Chief Cordova from Tmont. He understood how serious we were and and that we weren't just posturing or or bluffing and they that meeting occurred two months ago. So, what's Tremont doing then? Are they I can't speak to that. I don't know. Um, and I honestly don't want to get into what Tmont's doing because I I don't know for sure. Um, but I know that Brighgam City is not the only one uh in Boxelder County, any public safety or municipality that has issues similar to ours with Boxelder Communication Center. And back to your original point where um they didn't know we were serious. I I disagree. They knew we were very serious. They've had two months to fix it and and they haven't made any changes.

I'm not discounting that. I think I think you're totally right and I totally agree with you. But after our meeting that night and we all sat up here and reported you and the fire department, that's when I think it woke woke their eyes up a little bit bigger and they go, "Oh, I guess Brigham's really serious." That's kind of where the county's at the state. Sorry, Dave. To be fair, though, the county does not run that dispatch. It's it's a state dispatch. So, I I appreciate the three county commissioners and their their resolve to to try and get things done. It is up to the state. As as Chief Rey has stated, we've been stating our concerns now for well over four years and nothing has been done. I don't have a question, but I just have a comment, personal one, as I've observed this unfold. I was active duty military for 23 years. Nothing makes you feel better as an employee working under leaders and to see leaders reach out and protect your best interests as men and women in the public safety arena. Even though you may not you may have been met was met with some resistance. You as a leadership team were tenacious and continued to to press. Here we are this evening and I think that says a lot about you all as leaders and as followers. We're all either leaders or followers at some point in time in our life. But I appreciate uh the difficulty in doing these but recognize the importance of it. You anticipate any issues if this the communications between the two as far as the transfer maybe it takes a month or two to mesh together. if it takes a little bit longer. I mean, we anticipate any problems,

four months, five months versus one or two. Are you talking about CAD? The CAD to CAD. Um, oh, that you were talking about.

Yeah. No. Um, again, you know, I'm I'm talking off of experience working in an area that has multiple dispatch centers in a small uh small geographical region. um the state legislature themselves have tried to resolve this issue by uh implementing legislation that requires certain protocols be followed and really it was the state legislature that kind of forced this cat the cat system. So, um, there have been improvements along the way over the last 20 years of, you know, I mean, it used to be really where the legislation came from is, uh, Sandy City in in Salt Lake County, uh, was was upset with their dispatch provider and they ended up going to Salt Lake City dispatch. And there was a few cities in between Salt Lake and Sandy. And so the issue was uh somebody would call 911 on the freeway and they drive through six cities as they're going and they get transferred from one dispatch center to the next dispatch center to the next dispatch center. And that was problematic and and the legislature tried to remedy that by implementing, you know, certain statutes and that sort of thing, but they've also remedied it by um having cadat systems that are in place now. Uh I couldn't speak to the exact reduction in call transferring that has occurred. Um I couldn't speak to that with firsthand knowledge, but I have uh spoken with Tina Matio, the director of Utah Communications Authority and with Kevin Rose, who's the director at at Weaver Dispatch, and it improves every year even without that CAD to CAD that is hopefully going to be implemented. they're down to uh 90% of calls not being transferred anymore throughout the states, not just, you know, not just Salt Lake County. And and that improves every year, even without the CAD to CAD. The CAD to CAD is, you know, hopefully um the silver bullet that's going to fix everything, but it still does occur. But it's it's very

infrequent. They're they're less than 90 less than 10% of calls are transferred now. Is this supposed to if we This was approved tonight. When did this start? We're you know, we're hoping to move this along as quickly as it as we can. Like I said, I think time of is of the essence and our target date is uh January January one.

Any further questions for the Chiefs? Thank you, Chiefs. We have a motion and a second to open up public hearing. We've had the uh the introductions and the presentations. Now we need a vote to open up that public hearing. All those in favor? I.

Thank you. Motion passes. We now open up public hearing specific to the consideration of a resolution amending fiscal year 2526 of the Brigham City budget. We'd uh invite those that are Brigham City residents, please come and uh uh make your public comment. Please state your name and where you live. And we'd love to hear you from you from up to three minutes if you'll please come to the podium and do that. These things are included in the budget.

Okay. My name is Dale Smith. I'm a resident. thinking about this uh communication transfer. I get the feeling I did many years ago when they started talking about how great utopia would be and how it wouldn't cost us very much money. I I'm getting that feeling. But anyway, I don't have a judgment yet, but I have lots of questions. The man from the electric department said, "Right now, we're getting our our communication for free, but if we move to Weaver, we have $200,000 to pay for it. is gonna cost 300,000 next year. Do you have the 300,000 and the 200,000 next year? To me, it's kind of like because your wife won't won't make you Kish Lraine, you're going to go down to the lady on the next block and and have her make you make your dinner. It doesn't it doesn't make sense saying that they haven't fixed the problems in four months. I've not kn I've never known a government to do anything four months, you know. So, four months is no time at all for a government, especially on something this big. Another question I have, he talked about transfers. One of the problems is that, for example, highway patrol can't talk to Weaver while they're monitoring their own frequency. They don't have a scanner in there. You know what a police scanner is? You can monitor three or four channels at the same time. Highway patrol and I don't know about sheriff's office. They can't monitor their own channel boxer and weavers at the same time. So, there's going to be a delay unless Brigham City also wants to pay to have all the highway patrol and other police vehicles uh reprogrammed to be able to listen to Weaver Dispatch

North Weaver North while they're listening to their own private channel. For example, if there was a call to Brigham to the Brigham police or there was a an intruder at the high school, Brigham City would hear it and they would start coming and nobody else would start coming. Highway patrol and maybe sheriffs. I don't know their configuration. They wouldn't start coming until Weber called uh until Boxelder, excuse me, until Weber called Boxelder. There's that delay there. And there's incidents that happen that 30 seconds, one minute make a difference. And I've been in law enforcement. 30 seconds can make a big big difference. So I think there needs to be more time to to work this out to say to go to the state and say you have four months to fix this. That's that's a pie in the sky request. Everybody knows that. So, I have those questions about who's going to pay for it next year and how much is it going to cost next year? Is we were going to charge us 300 then the next year after that? 400,000.

Thank you. Thank you. My name is Brian Smith on property on West Forest. I've been in law enforcement in Boxilda County for nine years. I'll give you one example of where time mattered. Two weeks ago, individual in Perry, 2700 South Peach Street, father got a 9 millimeter into the floor and told his family he was going to kill himself. His adult son called 911, pleading for help. While he was calling 911, his son shoved his finger behind the trigger. That was the only thing that kept his dad alive. He was heard on dispatch yelling at his father, "Stop pulling the trigger." It was sent out countywide. Harry responded. They got there within a minute. Brian City got there within 30 seconds after that. Willard got there two minutes later. If it was Brigham City was at the Weaver Dispatch Center at that time, Brigham would not have even been notified until after Willard got there. You would have had a berry officer who was the only officer at the time in a house in a three-way tugof-war with a gun until few minutes later when the will chief showed up. Pad does not work right now. This morning, Weaver County was or North Weaver was doing extra patrols somewhere in the system on the back end. Fox Elder was getting notified of all these bigamy calls. Call after call after call after call. They didn't know what was going on. So, they called the person in in charge of the cast. He didn't know what was going on. We talked about time. So, until that silver bullet happens, you are literally going to call 911. It goes to Weaver County. Weaver County is

literally going to have to get on the phone of Boxelda County and then Boxelda County is going to have to dispatch that. Like as Ben said before, time is of the essence and that call. Brian City was 90 seconds away. They got there within 30 seconds of a first responding officer. So, and another thing, every single law enforcement officer I've talked to and every single citizen I talked to doesn't know this is happening. They do not know what's happening. We need to notify them because I think they might have an opinion. And to go back with the state, the state runs slow. We replaced the colonel and the commissioner in the last six months. going to take them a minute to get their feet under them. And everything's run by the legislature. They can't do anything until the legislature says that we have the money. I didn't get a pay raise this year because the legislature didn't see fit give me a pay raise even though it was guaranteed. So time matters. Until that silver bullet happens, you're literally putting yourself on an island. something happens to me and you're on Weaver County, your officers might only be 90 seconds away, but now they're four minutes away. And I know my wife will feel a lot more comfortable. Same with my friends, my kids, and my co-workers if every time something happens, every traffic stop that we make, every crash we're on, every extra patrol, everyone in the area knows it. I make a mental plot on a map of where they are. That way, if something happens, I don't need to ask dispatch where they are. I know where I'm going.

Thanks, officers. Can I just ask CL? You mentioned something, but in in your uh uh Perry example, did you say that only one officer responded to a domestic violence? So, it was a father trying to commit suicide, right? But when the officer Cameron Perry responded, there was only one officer that was dispatched at that time and he got there. Well, there was only one officer in Perry that was working. So, it was dispatched to Perry and they immediately said, "Any other officer in the area? Can you assist Papa 7?" One officer dispatched. One officer was dispatched and because we're all on the same channel, more officers were able to go intercede. Thank you. Thank you.

Sorry, Mr. We need you to come up to the

actually public hearing is is reserved to citizens. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I have been for a while. So Oh, sorry. Yes, I did call him the wrong name. Sorry. No, it's fine. Ian Harding. Yeah, sorry. Um, uh, heard about this week about nuclear power. Okay. This is It is not about that. That is what I was trying to ask. No, no, sorry. I I was going to give you a thumbs up to that public hearing on the budget. Thank you. Don't give up. [laughter]

Council, seeing as though there's no more public comments, we would entertain a motion to close public hearing. So moved. Have a motion to close public hearing. Do we have a second? Second. We have a a motion by council member Hip and a second by council member Smith to close public hearing. All those in favor? I. Thank you. Motion passes. We are welcome to take an action on this since we have completed the public hearing. Do we have a motion? Address maybe those concerns that were just brought up. Well, that's not the way public hearing is set up. I support that though. The action. Okay. Yes.

We have three city council members that would like that. We haven't looked at the interlocal agreement. Um whi which I I followed all the comments and what specifically so it kind of goes back to my first question with the service level change and it sounds like there's think that the service level will change. Um I don't know if you want talk about that. Are you talking specifically about the transfer issues or the like if citizens call what's the response time? Is that gonna is this gonna lower our response time? Sounds like only if it's outside of Brigham City.

For Brigham City proper, it it will. And uh um I I can't say that it'll lower the response time, but it'll it'll be at least the same. I think the quality of service that our citizens will receive will be better. And let me just give you an example because I don't want to be ambiguous on that. So, uh, an example was brought up about, you know, a call that recently occurred in Perry. And, uh, I'll give you another example that occurred a couple weeks ago that kind of helps illustrate some of the deficiencies that we've asked to have remedied. Um, the state has committed to remedying that still aren't fixed. And this this occurred just last week. We had a 911 call from a resident, a citizen of Brigham City who wanted to report a domestic. Um the the box elder communication center said it sounded like a domestic. There was arguing in the background and then the caller disconnected. So the dispatch center sent our officers to a geographical area based on the ping of that cell phone. They didn't send them to an address. They kind of guessed an address based on where that that GPS ping of the phone was being located. Our officers responded to that address that was given to them by dispatch and they knocked on the door of that residence. That residence uh was occupied by an elderly couple who were in their 70s or 80s and had been married for about 50 years and had no problems at all. Um, our officers made sure that they were okay. And the the standard across the country is that dispatch once you receive a call, your call pops up on their screen just like it does on your caller ID or on your phone or or whatever else. the the protocol standard protocol is to run that number through history and see if there's any other involvements with that number, if they've called us in the past, um if we

have a name associated with that number, an address associated with that number. That was not done in this case. That's why we went to an elderly couple's home and disturbed them at 10 p.m. at night. When our sergeant that was on scene ran that number, which you just type it into our our CAD system, our computer system, it populated a name and an address across the street from where they were at an apartment complex. The history associated with that phone number was pages long of domestics and everything else. So, the the victim in that domestic violence case that called 911 for help, you talk about delay in response. We wasted however many minutes or hours trying to investigate a domestic occurring in an elderly couple's house when really it was across the street and all that had to be done was run that number and tell our officers where that call was coming back to. So that's one way that our citizens will receive better service.

Is it not protocol that for dispatch to run that number on? It is. And we've asked them for four years to do it. And sometimes they do. Most of the time they don't about four months. Four years.

Four. Well, four years for me and five years for Chief Leon. Are there any other questions that was brought up in public comment that I can address? I know there were statements made, but I I guess to create a concern for the council, um any of those statements that were made, I'm happy to address those. Mayor, just real quick, I'll I'll go ahead and add a couple things. So, um the dollar amounts in the in the contract are contracted for four years in the presentation that was given to us by our finance director. Those rates are set by the special service district in Weaver County. So they they will not fluctuate unless our population and tax value fluctuates. But it's a guaranteed deal for four years with a two two-year renewal option. So the the fluctuation is not you know 200,000 of the 300,000. It is based on our taxable value that is set by the special service district. So the resident are the amount of money that Brigamin City will be contributing to this is the exact same amount of money that a a resident um within Weber County would be paying the exact same that tax rate has been assigned to us at the exact same rate based on the tax value that's within the corporate limits of Brigham City and those things are set. We had a public comment that uh mentioned that one officer had been dispatched to a domestic. Is that standard operating procedure for Brigham City? Is that something that you've been trying to get changed for four years or what's that? That is for Brigham City and and that kind of goes back to the u I'm sorry not dispatching one officer is what we have requested for for years. Um, however, it kind of goes back to the

issue um that Box Other Communication Center had in not wanting to do something different for us than they do for Perry or Willard or the Sheriff's Office. And and as uh uh Trooper Smith mentioned, you know, Perry only had one officer on at the time and so they're kind of reliant on other agencies coming in to back them. And so that's why they dispatched one officer to a Perry call and then they asked for any, you know, close officer to go and assist, which we are happy to do. In fact, I've made that commitment to all the law enforcement administrators in in our county that we'll never let you fight alone. We'll always be there. Um, but the reality is, and again, I'm speaking off of uh experience in and dealing with multiple agencies in a small area, uh, the reality is is he's correct. We wouldn't hear that. Uh we we do another thing that was brought up is scanning. We do have scanners in our vehicles. Um I think every every police radio in the state of Utah has a scan option on it. It's it's pretty pretty standard. Um we would program to scan all of the Boxelder agencies on Boxelder's channel. If Perry needed us to help and respond, then uh Boxelder would have to call Weber or they could get on Weber's North Channel and say uh we need an officer from Brigham to respond. I have personally experienced that on several occasions. Uh the the Trolley Square shooting for instance that occurred in Salt Lake that was a 1033 call which basically is we need every officer from everywhere that can possibly come. You need to come now. And what occurs is Salt Lake City's dispatch calls Unified Police's dispatch and says, "We've got a 1033 at Trolley Square." Unified dispatch puts it out. And every officer from even outside counties, Utah County and Davis County, responded to that call. So, it's it's not um a brand new

thing. It's not unheard of. It's it's done pretty frequently. And I do understand the apprehension because it's not something that's done up here in Boxelder County or or frankly Weaver County for that matter. Um but it is it is a pretty common practice and it is a very manageable uh circumstance questions. Is there talk you probably know this more than I do. Is there based on what happened in Tmont is there talk with the new state legislature about passing a state statute that have two officers report to a domestic call

there so much focus on domestic abuse cases throughout the years um recently as you heard so several yeah I mean several even national and international the international association of chiefs of police come out with uh best practices and and pretty standard best practice around the country and around the world to dispatch more officers and we do that in some sense here in Boxelder County. But what occurs is uh and one of the complaints that I've had is um I don't want dispatch to just send one officer and then ask for another officer to back it automatic. I want dispatch to send two officers and and so and that it's just kind of a uh semantics thing of how they do it up here. But the the reality is and one of the issues that I have is is I I can give you an example of a of an intoxicated male at the the Chinese gourmet restaurant down here. And we've asked for several time several years like I've said to not dispatch one of my officers alone. And what happens is they dispatch an officer alone. And even though I have some control over that, I can tell all of my guys that they are not to respond to a domestic or an intoxicated person alone, the reality is is there is a sense of um cowardice or uh a sense of uh obligation to respond. And so do my officers, despite my directives and my orders not to respond alone, do they still respond alone? Yes, they do. And that's why I've asked dispatch to intervene and say, "Don't even put that call out until you have two officers or put it out if we don't have any officers and we only have one. Put it out and make sure that we have two officers that are assigned." And and that's something that has been very difficult for for Box Other Communication Center to accommodate me with.

Thank you, Chief. Public hearing is closed. Please still entertain a motion on what was just publicly heard. [clears throat] So mayor, maybe just real quick, so that obviously one of the action items is the approval of the interlocal agreement um with Weber County. um we have covered that um obviously uh to a tea. So we don't have anything additional that we would be presenting um with the interlocal agreement with Weaver County Dispatch. So I mean obviously the council feels like they want to take action on that agreement prior to the budget amendment um for process of order. Obviously Tom kind of talked about that. you know, we have to do public hearings and budget amendments obviously prior to action items according to, you know, how we do our our layout, but council wants to wait on taking action on the budget until we finalize the discussion with the interlocal agreement on Weaver dispatch and then vote on the bud budget. That's obviously something we could do. Um, but obviously, you know, from staff, we have nothing further to offer on action item. Yes. On the action item with the interlocal agreement. So, I'm still looking for a motion on the budget and then if you'd like you can make a motion on the action item.

You can take the action item first and do the budget later too. Either either direction either choice. How about that? I'd make a motion to approve the uh amending the fiscal year 202526 budget as presented by Tom Carter. We have a motion by council member Hip. Do we have a second? Second. We have a second by council member Troxel. This will be a roll call. We'll start with council member Hip and move to his right. I

is I thank you. Motion passes and we believe we consider a motion on action item number one since it's been covered. Question. Do we have the agreement written up? Are we approving the agreement?

Yeah, it's it's in your packet. Yeah. And it's been signed by uh the commission or the board chair of the Weber um dispatch. Uh the chief, both chiefs and myself attended that meeting publicly on Tuesday of this week. And like Chief Ray said, we um there was a unanimous approval of the Weber Dispatch Board. Um maybe just real quick kind of give you a little background on who makes up that board. So there's two Weber County Commissioners and three mayors that sit on that board. And there was a couple people missing. either of you chiefs you want to get up and correct me, but um so three mayors, two Weaver County Commissioners make up made up the board Tuesday during that meeting and and obviously the motion was made unanimous approval to accept the interlocal agreement with Brigham City for uh consolid or our dispatch. So obviously yes, that agreement is in your packet. So, I would I you know, I'm gonna I'm gonna preface my thing with the fact that I have a a force of fire and police officers here that are looking for court what it is that they think is the safest thing to happen. As I sit here and I look out on their faces, I feel like that's what I need to do. So, and with that, I move that we approve the consideration of interlocal agreement with Brigham City and Weaver area dispatch 911. Thank you. We have a motion by council member Smith that second by council member Benson. Will again be a roll call vote and we'll start with council member Jeffs and move to his left. Jeff, sorry.

I have a Jeff's down in my neighborhood so it's easy. This is my first name. Um Jeff is an I

that's an I. Thank you. Motion passes. We'll now have our semiannual storm water management plan public hearing. We'll invite Tyler Pugsley, I think he's here. Yep, there he is, is to present. We shouldn't take more than double the time we just did with the last public hearing, but thanks for this is a public hearing to allow our residents to make comment on our storm water management plan. We're required to have two of these every year. It gives residents a chance to comment or make any um comments at all regarding storm water. Um, I would like to uh like to thank my staff publicly at this time for the time and effort and resources that they put into storm water management in our community. Um, just like other things in in our community, there's state rules and regulations that are ever changing and ever evolving that are falling down upon us and we have a highly trained staff that makes sure that we're meeting all the requirements of this. So, with that, I'm happy to answer any questions if you'd like before you open a public hearing.

Council, do you have any questions about the most exciting public hearing we have all year? [laughter]

Well, I to say because this one of my first things when I got on the city council was signing up to put out the stickers on the storm water stream. and I read the whole plan and it was so exciting to me because I'm a nerd that way. And every year I try to educate my neighborhood on the importance of cleaning, keeping our gutters um clean from debris so that our storm water drains don't get clogged [clears throat] up. And um and this is something that community can act actively be a force in keeping our cost down for our public works and by just doing their little part for their street to keep our storm water drains cleaned up. And so as much as we make light of it, I do think that it's a it's a great citizen um activity.

I agree. And one of our key components is um public awareness and training that goes out whether it be from the website or events that we have at schools and everything else to help train our citizens. But yes, it's we love our residents being a second set of eyes for us and we are encourage that and we like people to participate in that. And just one more thing really quick before take action. Um we have a mandatory storm water training that goes out to all city staff and city council. So this is just your friendly reminder. If there's any council members that haven't completed their training, please do so.

I didn't mind that training as riveting. I do offer tutoring on that. [laughter] I had to take the questions three times, but I got through them. Good job. I read the book. The movie was better. It was. [laughter] Look forward to next year. All right. We need a motion to open public hearing. So move. I have motion by council member Jensen, a second by council member Hip. Uh all those in favor? I.

Thank you. We will now open a public hearing specific to storm the storm water management plan. We invite you to come up to the uh podium, state your name, where you live, and uh we'd love to hear from us hear from you for up to three minutes if there's any comments about storm drain. Thank you. Mayor, I move we close the public hearing. Thank you. We have a motion to close public hearing by council member Jensen. Do I have a second? Second. Second by council member Jeff Ree. All those in favor? I. Thank you. Motion passes. We can take an action on that.

Actually, there is no action. We're just doing a public hearing. Thank you. We'll now open up to public comments. Uh portion of our city council meeting. Public comments is reserved for citizens of Brigham City. Uh that or folks that own property can vote in or run for public office within Brickham City limits. We invite you to the podium. Please state your name and where you live and we'd love to hear from you from for up to three minutes.

Um, my name's Alexis Rowley. I um live in the North Point Town Homes at the Old Golf Course. Thank you guys so much for all your work tonight. It's been really fun watching you guys work. Um, I stand here representing 67 people who have signed a petition addressed to you guys. Um it is titled protect our land and water prevent permit approval for a nuclear power plant in Brigham City, Utah. On November 17th, 2025, Governor Spencer Cox with Brian City Mayor DJbot announced Brian City as a site for the first ever nuclear power plant in Utah. This is an unsafe and unwanted solution for clean energy in an earthquakeprone area with limited precious water supplies. There are better alternatives already available in Utah to invest in that provide safe and effective clean energy solutions such as geothermal energy and hydrogen power. These would solve energy demands and could bring jobs to Boxelder County. Take action with us today to prevent the approval of permits to companies that would build a nuclear power plant next door from our homes and upstream from the Great Salt Lake. This petition represents the future that we want to build in Utah and the United States. If we don't take the time to consider where we are investing our money, the consequences of those choices will impact us for generations. Please sign today to let Utah's leaders know that we are asking them to listen to experts on every side of an argument, and to be prudent in making decisions for citizens now and in the future, trying to prevent the approval of permits to build a nuclear power plant along the Wasatch front. Four days after this announcement, there are 67 signatures representing 67 individuals in your community that are asking you as council to prevent permit approval for construction of this facility. We as a community encourage you to look into investing with companies such as Furbo Energy, Circ Energy, and GSE Sustainable Inc. who are making great progress as

Utah based geothermal energy companies and ASUS Delta, which is a wonderful example of a Utah based company focused on hydrogen energy creation and storage. These are all amazing renewable energy alternatives that will never represent the risk of radioactive contamination to a community. While there are inherent risks to a nuclear power plant in a community, the greatest concern and risk is how there is no concrete plan of what to do with the radioactive waste from spent nuclear fuel currently in the United States. Quoting the US government accountability office for nuclear waste disposal, they say the nation has over 90,000 metric tons of spent nuclear fuel from commercial nuclear power plants. The Department of Energy is responsible for disposing of this high level waste in a permanent geological repository, but has yet to build such a facility. As a result, the amount of spent nuclear fuel stored at a nuclear power plants across the country continues to grow by about 2,000 metric tons a year. Meanwhile, the federal government has paid billions of dollars in damages to utilities for failing to dispose of this waste and may potentially have to pay tens of billions of dollars more in coming decades. The consequences of nuclear energy don't just last my lifetime or yours. These consequences will last thousands of years. Can you be accountable to the citizens of Utah a thousand years from now? Nuclear energy is not the solution for our generation. In a hundred years, technology may be better prepared to deal with the consequences of nuclear energy. Until then, Utah needs to explore the alternatives that are available now to Utons and that are unique to our geological landscape. Thank you for your time and deep consideration of this topic. I understand that sometimes those in politics feel they need to move fast and get things done quickly, but I urge each of you to look to the long-term future of this area and how best to protect the legacy of the land and the people. Thank

you.

Thank you. and Harding. Now it's time, right? Okay. Yes. So, I I I too read that uh we we're moving forward. The big thing with the nuclear power plants, um there are differing opinions. I'm all for it. Let's get 10. Let's get 20. I mean, the the small reactors are amazing compared to the large water-based ones that we used to have back east that we've had for for decades. um they're they're much much safer than they used to be. Uh they're not necessarily manufactured on plant. They're brought in. Um the jobs that it would bring for us are going to be amazing. I've wanted to do this for a long time and the number of people that I've talked to uh and talk to about this. They're all excited about it. Um anyway, so just thought I'd say something. I'm here for something else, but I thought I'd just pop up and say that. Thank you. I'm not sure about all the clear technology. One of my big concerns, I'm excited for it, but one of my concerns is Would you mind stating your name? My name's Dan Taylor. I'm Brigham City resident.

One of my concerns was the 1300 people that's going to come in. You know, we're expanded. It's going to totally change Brian City. That's just one thing I was worried about. Um, one thing nice, I drive west a lot and you guys had these portable radar things on there that told you how fast you're going. It was a nice reminders. Hey, I need to slow down. I was wondering if you could put some permanent ones there, maybe solar power that, you know, a couple of them along the way. Just an idea. Um, several years ago, somebody was one at one of these meetings and they said, he said, "I would like to see a little more rust on some of the Brigham City vehicles. You know, it looks like Brigham City has all brand new vehicles. I've got a Toyota Avalon that's got 245,000 miles and, you know, it's hard to make ends meet. you know, I I do okay, but I'm just saying you need to keep that in mind. A lot of people at that same meeting talked about coming here on a fixed income. I'm trying to retire next year and I'm looking at these taxes and my insurance and the utility bill, but it's all going up and it's scaring me. And I'm talking to my neighbors, same same issue, same concerns. And you guys seem to have this unlimited budget. It's like, oh yeah, we'll just pass that. is just, you know, raise the taxes. I was budgeting $181 a month or every paycheck. So that's like two times a month for my insurance and my property taxes. And this year I needed $291 or $300 every two weeks, which pretty much matches what I was paying them when I first bought my house a lot of years ago. So, and I'm like I said, I'm getting ready to retire, so it's scaring

me. And uh Oh, somebody said the recycled place they did a survey and people wanted that closed on Saturdays. I don't think you really did a survey because people work all week and Saturday's good day. I have to change everything to, you know, it's a day you get stuff done. So, I wanted to get that. So, it would be nice to have it open on Saturdays instead of some of the other days. And like there was something else, but it wasn't on my list. So, that's it. Thanks. Thank you. Council, seeing as though there doesn't appear to be any more public comment, we will close our public comments and move on to our council member comments. We'll start with council member Jeff and move to his left if he hasn't and you don't need at this time. We've already too much. Council member Troxel. Um, this week has been kind of like a a week where I've attended multiple meetings throughout the whole week with different organizations. And I just want to say that I attended Bragg um payment services meeting on on Wednesday and I was I'm very impressed with their their ability to [clears throat] take care of the social service needs October and Ash and Tree Mountain area on their budget getting smaller and smaller and smaller every year. multiple people coming together with how they can to take care of the needs of um

prevention and homelessness and our homeless um services. And then I was able to attend CADA today um our coalition against domestic violence um coalition and was able to hear from the Boys and Girls Club and that coalition the same the same ability of providing so many different services for our citizens um by all these different organizations And it it just kind of was impressed on me that like I always say that the real hard work is done by multiple citizens throughout our city with our nonprofits. And today, this week was just a real good reminder that we have very active earning citizens that work with the different nonprofits throughout to make sure that our citizens um are taken care of in their social service needs. Um, I would like to suggest to possibly the mayor that um as this project and this process goes um forward um to possibly have um some presentations throughout the process with the different companies coming in um or give them the ability to give their information um as we move forward with the the production and the education pieces for the public to um be aware of all the different process steps that we go along the way. Um but I think

that would help a lot with public being able to see steps that we go through. And that's all. Thank you, Council Member Smith.

Yes. So, uh, able to attend a Boxill County Economic and Development meeting that was might have been yesterday. Good in their summit in March. You know, speaker is great relative. Oh, it'll be great. Um, he's really good. if you want to go. Um, just want to express my gratitude to those that uh took the time and and made the effort to vote. This last fact that gained enough trust for people to vote for me getting and keep me here a little bit longer. I'm I greatly appreciate that. Thank you. And thank you to all those that that ran. Important that we have people run for office. to to meet those people and talk to individuals and communities as we live. Um able to also have uh go to the the Habitat for Humanity dinner uh last Friday night. That was a lot of fun. Uh able to get they have caramel apples three years in a row got the caramel apples through the auction and must say they're the most expensive caramel apple is the entire state of Utah. They are delicious and it's going to the kids, right? Or whatever for the children,

whatever they say, right? Um and then also just while while they're here, um Alexis, thank you so much for your email. I apologize that I have not got you. I plan to do so. I'd love to have a discussion information and we can talk as this thing moves forward. So, thank you and I apologize for not getting back to you yet. Welcome. Thank you, Council Member Jensen. Council member Hip.

Well, I had uh I had the library board and spoke with them recently and they're here to do a presentation, but I want to take away from their thunder, but I certainly appreciate them. And I want to just comment to those who took the time to make comments. It's wonderful. I hope we get more people. Tell your friends, come out here and share your thoughts and and even though there may be disagreement, we were not disagreeable. And I think that's positive trait that continues and that's the way we have real dialogue. So thank you for those who participated today. I thank you. That's been exciting. We can bring would you mind taking an assignment from the mayor those 67 would you visit with them again and and bring back to me maybe next council or the council after would they do some research on all of the nuclear plants in America and the populations around them and bring them back to me please? Yes. Uhhuh. Because I've done that, but I don't think they've done that. I I've done that. Unless I've already done it. Yes. Yes. Yes. But if you'll do I I'd love to put that on maybe an agenda or something early, but if you'll take that that assignment and and invite them to to do that so that we can make sure that everybody knows the population around existing nuclear plants in America. I think that would be fantastic for the discussion. But I appreciate your I appreciate your comments and and digging in on that. It's Monday. That that takes a lot of effort to get around 67 homes in four day three three days. Thank you. Uh let's see. We'll go now to Mr. Oiler. Do you have a report just in the uh for time? Just two real quick things. So, starting this week, maybe early next week, see what's going on for holiday, but um we'll be shutting off uh the

secondary water coming into our pentock and continuing the second year um worth of worth for the replacement of both pentock lines coming down uh the canyon. Um, obviously a major project and we're excited to get going with that and see its completion hopefully by March and getting everything back on and running. And uh, obviously the coolest thing other than maybe somebody else thinks, but we're seeing the girders go up um, this week on bridge going over forest street. So, if you haven't uh been down there and see that coming together, awesome. It's fun to watch that project come together. And uh other than that, I think that's all I did have a couple things, mayor, if you wanted me to address from the public comment about green waste, I will. [clears throat] Or anything else. So, there was not a survey conducted um with the decision that was made on Saturdays for green waste. um our green waist employees have got honestly some of the best set of data of that we have in the entire city on daily and time use. Um the decision that was made during the winter months uh to close the greenway site on Saturdays has culminated from about six and a half years right now worth of history on the usage to that site um during specific times of the year and times of day. [clears throat] Um and honestly we made a decision two years ago to do that um based on the usage that we had seen historically over a very long period of time. That came to the council a couple years ago and we adjusted those times and and obviously we'll continue um to look at that and something the council wants to look at. We obviously will. And I just just

quickly um I think it's really important for the public to understand just how many projects Brigham City is involved with with trying to look to the future um for our wholesale portfolio for electrical power grid. So I do want to publicly state that right now Brian City Corporation through its association with Uamps is looking and we have signed up for megawws coming from two different geothermal opportunities, two natural gas opportunities, a an additional solar with battery opportunity and and essentially a uh natural gas burnoff opportunity. So, six different projects that we are associated with um throughout uh Utah and Idaho and looking to continue to secure additional base load and peaking loads for the portfolio of Brigham City Corporation, our wholesale electric grid as time goes on. And obviously, you know, with the announcement on Monday, it's just another opportunity that we are looking into as a city to secure that portfolio um of our wholesale power grid as time goes on. We are very very active and continually working as hard as we can as employees to look at every opportunities that are out there for us as Brian City grows and continues into the future.

Thank you. I I think you I didn't hear you say anything about wind, but I think we also have purchased wind power. We own the wind project currently up in the horse and yes things power Colorado river project as well. All right, we are down to a discussion item. Mr. Oiler, as far as I can tell, no library almost skipped it. I saw Elizabeth almost stroke out right there. We have a presentation of library usage and services and we invite our library to make that presentation.

Hey, thank you mayor and council for the opportunity. We know it's getting late. Um we hope we will have somewhat of an entertaining [laughter] presentation for you. We're going to start with Ian Harding and then Tiffany Bowlingham Ballingham, excuse me, will present the next portion and then I'll talk to you a little bit too.

Okay, this is what I'm here for. So, uh, chairman of the board for the library. Um, wanted to get you some numbers about what we're doing over at the library. Uh, the most important numbers to me on those on that screen is the arrows. Um, our usage is going up. our items that we are lending out are going up. And if we go to the next screen, uh the number of sessions that we're doing is pretty well hovering. So, we didn't put an arrow there. But the uh events, the special events that we actually throw on the calendar and invite people to attend. We have uh specific programming for those events, that growth is is quite amazing. and the number of things that the the stellar folks at the library staff put on and give to our members of our community just blows my mind every time we hear about it. So, um just kudos to all the hard work that's going on over there. Um next slide, please. Um this is kind of one of the unsung heroes of our library. the fact that we have these digital databases that we subscribe to. We're starting to get the word out that that's more important. We can actually use them. One that is really important to me is the Shilton Library down the bottom right. Those are expensive books, but if you can get them for free from the library because you have a library card and get it digitally saves you a lot of stuff. So, um, one thing that I did want to tie in though, shameless plug, is that we have, uh, training available to Brigham City residents if they have a library card, which is available for all of us to do all sorts of different trainings. And I think we're going to talk about that a little more, but um, just the the breadth of information that we can give to help our our members of our community become more employable, get better jobs, be prepared for things that may be coming down the pike. Um, we should leverage that as much as possible. So, thank you for your time and appreciate your service.

Hello everyone. I will add to this slide. [laughter]

So, um, he touched on the Chilton, which is great. You can go in, it's automotive, so you can plug in your vehicle and then you can get um you can learn maintenance that you're supposed to come up with. It'll show you how long something should take to fix. You can fix things yourself in your own vehicle if that's what you what you want to do. Um Libby is really popular for audio books and ebooks. Uh I think something that's missed is magazines. magazines take up a lot of space and I get a subscription that comes weekly. So, it's really helpful. It saves waste and time and space. And um universal class is also one of the ones that I pay most attention to because you can take full classes with a professor for free through your library card. Um and can we go to the next slide? So, this shows the value for the universal class. One class can cost up to $120, which I think is really important for the community to be able to further our learning and also save money. Um, there were also a couple of other things on here that I missed when I went to the other slide, but there's creative bug is another one. Um, that's for like art, and I think it's helpful for teachers to be able to go on there and they can get stuff for students of all ages. um EPSCO uh learning express. That one was more catered to our our grade age uh students for between fourth and eighth grade and then also uh help with SAPs and those kinds of things. I'll turn the time over to Elizabeth. I'm glad they were able to provide the entertaining portion that brought up so much laughter. So that was awesome. Thank you. Totally unplanned. We also in the programming um that Ian

talked about with the increases in numbers last summer's um summer reading program, we had awesome numbers again. I think when we were here last year, we said that this past summer's reading program had awesome numbers and they did. They were higher than normal. Well, this summer's was higher than last summer's. So, we've been really excited to see all of that participation and keep kids reading. Um, there's always a lot of talk in the educational world about the summer brain training when kids leave school for three months and they forget a lot of those skills and reading is something that helps them stay up um on on the skills that they have learned throughout the school year. Um, let's go to the next slide. Now, we have a lot of other programs at the library as well. Um, we have several different reading discussion groups. The most recent addition to our reading discussion groups is an early readers book club that just started this year. And so that's one that is we've had for adults, we've had for about ages 8 to 16, but this will fill in for the younger kids. We have the story time for the really little kids and this fills in that gap once they get into about first grade until they're ready to go into more of the chapter books or children's novels that um the older kids group is reading. And so that's been really exciting. It's been really well attended so far as well. Um another program that's new for us is the one up there with the cute dog. I'm scared of dogs, so I don't get too close to him. But the kids who come to the program just love to be next to Porter and read a book with Porter and they can pet him. He used to be a service dog. He has retired from his service, so he is now a therapy dog. and um his his owner brings them in and and sits and reads the story with

the kids and just engages so beautifully, talks about the book and it's just such a nice calm environment that the kids can just enjoy the story, focus on reading, focus on sometimes their fear of dogs, too. I understand there was one little girl who was afraid of dogs and the mom brought her and her sibling in and so it gave her a little time to interact with Porter. Um we also have Lego club. We used to do some family Lego nights and they were always really fun, really well attended. We've changed it up a little bit. Now it's a monthly Lego club and the library is crazy to be on Tuesday afternoons once a month because of Lego Club. Um so that's been really fun as well. Um some other events that we've had that maybe aren't quite as regular. Um occasionally we've had local skates come in. That's a state-run program. They bring in a presentation about how people can work on their yards and um there's a ghost hunting event that we just had in October that was really fun and really well attended as well. Um book festival events, we have authors come in every October. So, we did that that this past year and had um three different events this year. And our English classes and citizenship helps are ongoing as well. And those have been expanding so that we have more uh levels. We have a a beginner and an intermediate and a little bit more advancement as as people grow in their English language learning. Um, I did want to mention since there's been some discussion on nuclear tonight, our our collection is a little bit lacking on modern nuclear technology books. So, our reference librarian is actively working on a special order to bulk up that collection and hopefully get some more information on our shelves that citizens can check out and and do a little more reading themselves. So, with that, do you have any questions for any of us?

You guys want to come back up here? Welcome to [laughter] questions [clears throat] for our library staff. I like the reading with Porter. It's uh Dave Hip just retired, too. Can Can you [laughter]

We did several years ago have some really fun events where we had council members come and share a book in a story time. Um might be fun if if it worked out at some point to do again. I Mayor Bot might remember that. Weren't you one of the council members at the time who did that? And that was a lot of fun to have you there. And and that example of a community leader reading to kids is is really cool. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah.

Did you have someone else that left? Yes, we had a patron coming to share some of her experiences at the library. So Samantha Warkey was going to be here, but she had another u obligation at 7:30 that she had to get to. So our apologies. We might include her another time. So we're we're doing this report annually and and she was really excited to share with you and so maybe we can even have her just write up a little something and send it your way. Thanks, Okay, our last discussion item is the public infrastructure

kind of kind of.

Yeah, we we we got some experts in the room to kind of talk about this. So, let me just uh briefly introduce it and then I'm actually going to turn the time over to Aaron White. He's joining us remotely. um that's our uh essentially legal counsel on kind of helping city and the developer through this. So, Aven Shores um public infrastructure district is a um Brigham City has received a certified application um for a public infrastructure district over Aven Shores. Just reminding the council quickly that two weeks ago um in our council meeting is we approved the new P district for this area and that I did publicly talk about the public infrastructure district would be following. So um tonight is a discussion item and kind of a little bit of a open learning lesson obviously for it's been a minute since council has discussed a public infrastructure district. Maron's going to help us with that. And obviously the uh developer and applicant is in the room. Um some of the city staff or city attorneys joined us if you see they're online um to kind of go through just an open Q&A and any concerns or questions the council would have. So Erin's got a little presentation and kind of go through a little 101. I'm going to turn the time over to you Aaron to start.

Okay. Hey, thank you very much for the introduction. As was mentioned, Aaron Wade with Gilmore Bell. Uh we are uh bond counsel to the city um and have also been requested to be kind of special counsel to represent the city through the creation or or at least through the application of this proposed P. Um you know I was I was told to this could be you know to make this a fairly kind of quick overview but as was said I'm happy to answer any questions go deeper you know where where we need to. Um, and so really kind of let that be the guide. If you have more questions, please feel free to send those my way. If I don't have the answers, hopefully the uh the applicant would as it relates to their project. Uh, but at just a, you know, high level, the uh public infrastructure district is an entity, a special district that could be created by the city at the discretion of the city upon request of the property owner. As the name implies, the purposes of the district are to finance public infrastructure within the boundaries of the district. Um, you know, a lot of folks kind of see that and they get concerned because, hey, these charge taxes, they charge assessments. What's going to happen to my taxes? Well, the reality is for these districts, they can only charge taxes and impose assessments within their own boundaries. So, today this property is, you know, largely vacant property. No one lives there today. The idea is you finance the infrastructure so that the homes can ultimately be built. Um, and as I mentioned, that's typically done through property taxes on the residents, the future residents of the district andor special assessments which are imposed um on that property. And those special assessments would be required to be paid off prior to conveyance of that property to the homeowner. So essentially, it would allow the developer to fund the

initial capital outlay to get the improvements in and then they clear that lean before the homeowner moves in. Uh the property taxes would, you know, move live on to the homeowners that move in. Uh but there would be a lot of disclosure so that they knew what they were buying into. So that's the, you know, highle overview of what the PID does. The city would act as the creating entity. um meaning that you would be the approver. This is within incorporated city boundaries. So you're the entity that would would have that decision to make if you wanted to approve it. Um along with that goes a governing document which is essentially the charter for the P and that was where you would impose limitations on the amount of debt that they could borrow potentially on their tax rate and any other considerations. [clears throat] Um the board gets initially appointed by the city council and that has to be comprised of property owners and their agents. So you would be the initial appointing authority and then over time that board would transition to where the residents would take over the board to make their decisions. U that's you know like I said I was kind of told to to be brief on on [clears throat] that but I am more than happy to answer any any questions that you have. I think for this particular application, uh, the tax rate that they're asking for is 5 MS or half a percent. Uh, the property taxes that the district imposes are the same as a city tax or a county tax. If it's a primary residential home, it gets the 45% primary residential exemption, the same as all other property taxes.

Okay. Thank you, Aaron. So, um, I'm gonna kind of do and Garcy, if you want to jump up or ban, either one. I'm gonna I'm gonna do my best to just a quick overview of kind of the financials and a little bit in the specifics obviously with some generalities. Um, the official application that has been submitted. Obviously, requires a public hearing. All the details of which um will be obviously detailed in your packets as we review this on December 4th. Is that correct? Yes. And I wanted

Okay, go ahead. Sorry. I wanted to ask Erin a question. That's okay. Um, you mentioned that the board would transition to residents in the area um to decide further matters. What once the public infrastructure is installed, what do you foresee would be they they would meet about with that money? Wouldn't that money already be expended? That that's correct. what the what they yeah it's it's a it's a pretty limited you know role but where it would become important to the residents is decisions about the you know the the future of the bonds so similar to when the city issues bonds usually refinance

yeah there's a there's refinancing opportunities and they could look at it to say do we keep the tax rate at this level and pay it off faster or do we lower the tax rate and you know let it live on a little longer longer. So, it' be those kinds of decisions. But you are right. I don't, you know, I don't necessarily think there will be a whole lot of people clamoring for for these because it's really it maybe four or five meetings a year to adopt a budget, you know, inspect your audit, some of those kinds of things. But really, it's it's just keeping the the district moving um until the debt's paid and then the the district would move to dissolve.

All right. Thank you, Erin. And I had a question. This is Council Member Jensen. um where when we set this up, every owner has to be on board. Correct. That's correct. It does require 100% property owner uh property owner consent to form this district.

If there was a board like that and it was going to change something, would that also require all the participants to be on board or could somebody be in the district not on the board and they could change his his financial situation? Yeah, that's a that's a good question. So, in order, you know, one one amendment, you know, typical amendments like if if we wanted to say amend the governing document or the charter of the district, it would just require a resolution of the city and a resolution of the the district. So, in that case, you know, it' be a majority of the district board. The the consents that require 100% is formation and then the issuance of the tax bonds. Those both require 100% property owner consent. And then the other one would be if you were an amendment to raise the property tax rate of a PI, that requires also 100% consent. And so those are the the items that require it. But for other kind of typical actions, it's just kind of the majority of the board similar to how the council would work.

Thanks. What is what what is the original board for a P that's appointed by the council, right? But who do we do we appoint the very beginning? Who would we appoint? Yeah. So statute says

Yeah. statute says that you it has to be property owners or registered voters within the boundaries of the district. Here there's no registered voters just because it's you know vacant property. So, the property owners actually recommend within their petition who they'd like to be on the board. And so, in this particular petition, um the it's a three-member board they're proposing with, uh Boyd Cook, Gay, and Clay Jensen as those three board members.

Okay, I'll keep going. So, so what we're looking at, um, obviously all engineers estimates at this point in time, reality is reality when you start, uh, building infrastructure and and things cost what they cost. But, um, the developer in this this situation, which Mr. is obviously here in the room with us is estimating at this point in time about $26 million worth of public infrastructure um for the the buildout of uh the Aven Shores Pistic P. Um obviously the lion share of that is frankly the development of 12200 west from roughly forest street um to the south end of their development uh which um I think we obviously two weeks ago we kind of talked about the the boundaries of which that would be. Um also included there in in that is a sewer lift station. Um, so if you get about 2 250 ft to the west of where 12,200 West exists today, um, we cannot get that sewer to essentially flow um, back to 12 West and the sewer infrastructure that has currently um, been installed in 12 West. So there will be a regional uh, sewer lift station um, that will need to be constructed as part of this development. And then uh I think you know obviously lots of water lines, additional roadways other than just 12 West um and then power infrastructure to service the development and then I think probably one of the very the the bigger things is the development of public trails and uh obviously some potential public amenities through some smaller parks maybe larger parks. So um right now engineers estimates you know roughly that $26 million worth of public infrastructure um that would be paid um

through the and and let me go into the details here. So, in the application that we've seen um that's been submitted to the city um and DA Davidson is also in the room with us. Um just maybe reminding some of the council when we set up our previous PI um out on the Rita Ranch. Uh DA Davidson represented uh the developer at that time. So, we're obviously familiar with them. They're assisting uh Mr. Day in in going through the and obviously Aeron's helping through with bonding. So, um, I just lost me train. Okay. Two two, uh, two kind of ways that they're suggesting that payment be received to pay these bond off bonds off over a period of time. So, I think first and foremost, disclosures. You know, obviously applicant, current property owner, city council potentially approves P, you know, through the public hearing that we do in two weeks. So, you know, we get the P started. um issue the bonds and we start the work. So at the time of closing when somebody purchases one of these properties um there's going to be disclosures and there's there's kind of two parts of that. One is um they're going to be asking for some monies upfront at closing. um rough estimate of numbers I've seen at this point is roughly $9,500 per lot and then there'll be a mill levy on top of that through the terms of the bond. I think it's really important to know and to state here that once the bond is paid off that levy goes away. So, you know, obviously there's a period of time um refinances sell selling property quicker. Obviously, that bond can pay off um quicker than um you know what we have planned and

those things will be taken into account obviously with interest rates and everything associated with it. I'm kind of reminding the city council we've done an SAA not exactly the same a little bit similar and you know we've made early payments on those as we've seen right refinances or things change along the way. So once the bond is paid off um the property tax obviously on those residential dwelling ceases to exist and and they just go to the normal tax rate and actually the PI um the pit district and the board would be disbanded at that point in time. So, um, and then, yeah, so kind of the two-part summit closing and then obviously the mill levy, um, and talking with the a Davidson developer. It sounds like there's roughly three different documents all the way all through there with the disclosures, the people that are, you know, closing on those properties. You know, it's not a surprise, um, when they go in there, they're going to have a little bit higher tax rate in the rest of the city, um, you know, in that P district. So, um I think one little bit of feedback before I take any questions and I'm not trying to divert any questions that you might have, but our uh attorney Aaron is looking for a little bit of feedback in his preparation of the documents um that you'll receive in the packets in our meeting on for two weeks. So, state code essentially allows the city council two different options of appointing this board, the pit board. You can do it once at the first and be done or you can also have the decision to reappoint that board essentially every four years. I didn't know how to answer that question. Obviously that's city council decision. Um I think there's pros and cons, but I can't really, you know, I think maybe the staff's recommendation would be to go ahead and just do it that first time and then kind of let you know the pit board um adjust as time goes on. But you do have the ability as a city council to

reappoint that PIT board essentially every four years. I don't necessarily see the advantage or disadvantage of either, but any specific questions on that? That'd be right now be a really good time for feedback from Aaron on that or or Ben. They've obviously got more experience with this than I do. So other than that, questions, comments, concerns? We appoint that to that with just one time then that board would then continue. That That's correct.

That's correct. So the Yeah, the the state law was amended this year to allow the board to become self-appointing. It would still be constrained to either property owners or voters. And then the other limitation would be once the milestones that will be spelled out in the governing document of the district are hit, a seat would transition to elected and at that point the board would no longer self-appoint. It would be put onto the ballot you know the same as city council or you know sewer district board um for a you know just a local election. Um, one one thing that has recently arisen um is the the state auditor has published a draft letter um regarding PIDs and whether they should be a component unit of the city and you know currently no PIDs are being treated as component units. Uh but the questions being raised and so I think one of the factors is the oversight and the control. And so one thing that she's the state auditor is pointing at is the appointment. And so I think that it does help uh show that the district is not a component unit if the city is not continuously appointing the board and if the board's allowed to be self-appointing. So that's that's just, you know, like I said, a very recent development still being kind of evaluated. Um, but I think that is one reason that might move you towards having that board be self-appointing going forward. That's uh some financial jargon with our financial reporting yearly and obviously I think um finance director from Brigham City would probably be very happy if we didn't have to report bids as component units on our financial statements. So um something

something to consider definitely. So did I hear him say previously that was not an option just to allow them to just Yeah, that's that's correct. Oh, sorry. Change the law, right?

Yeah, that's correct. In the in the 20 25 legislative session, that was amended to allow the the self-appointment. And I think, you know, part of that was just some cities kind of saying what what do we need to be involved for? And so, um, anyways, that option did come out. I think there's a number of cities that have opted to go that direction. There are still some cities that say, "Oh, we'll we'll keep appointing." Um, but like I said, with some of the recent developments, I think that in my mind may help move the needle towards just having themsel appoint.

I'm curious, Erin, under the path, I would imagine there's just a natural attrition that takes place within a within that period of time in the past. So they would constantly be coming forward for a reappoint under the old system, you know, experience.

Yeah. There the, you know, where the PID is, the PID act is only uh, you know, maybe five years old. There's not very many PIDs that have actually had the the terms hit. I think we'll see more of that, you know, next year and the following year. Um so but but what does end up happening is you know somebody that works for a home builder you know quits and goes and gets another job and so then that home builder says oh well he's not really my representative anymore why don't you put my new manager on there. So there's things like that that you know pop up that where cities are appointing and reappointing occasionally. Uh but it's not it's not so often and you know would really just kind of be dependent on on who's getting put onto the board if they're you know somebody that may may decide to you know pursue another opportunity.

Thank you. feedback wise, is that what you're looking like one and done? I'm okay with that. Yeah, perfect. I see three people on there. There's your direction there. And it sounds like council comfortable with that first appointment and um so Okay. Okay. Yeah. Well, I honestly don't have any other details to provide to you know, obviously discussion item tonight preparing for the public hearing and the, you know, potential adoption of this in two weeks. If there's if there's no significant questions, concerns, that's that's all we had on this item. So, so some of the like financial whatevers are going to be we'll be able to ask that a little bit more.

Yeah, you'll see in that their application. We did not put their application in the packet that the council had for tonight's meeting, but that will be in the packet, their full application and you know the details. I've kind of run through those n rough numbers. Um, I mean, maybe just real quick, like, you know, full transparency, you the city council can control that mill levy. If if you're not comfortable going to that level, you you can say, "No, we're only okay with half of that." And, you know, that the applicant would have to, you know, adjust their financials to make something like that. You have that authority council as we create a document like or create this bid. And so, you know, obviously these things are very new for us. We've done one and it was kind of never triggered. So, this would be probably the first one we we actually set up and trigger. But you as council have the authority and decide, you know, what that mill levy is if you feel one way or another. Um, I think it's obviously very important to note that, you know, $26 million worth of public infrastructure is a very big number. So, you know, probably take that in consideration as you think about that next couple weeks. So I mean my only my when we talked about it the first time I only looking it up and checking out what other place that was one of the concerns isual improvements that was just one of the negative things that I had found is I haven't gone back change us being brand new sorry if I get closer to the mic us having never done this before I would love information from other cities that have hadn't been doing these things and how that has worked as we look at possibly doing you Ryan that's probably three question I'll go ahead and publicly talk about when when Brigham City did our other hit that we've set up obviously like I said has not been triggered it's in a complete industrial manufacturing zone of the

city um at that point in time following that city council actually directed us as staff to essentially put together a um policy of how we would deal with kids as a city and and the terms by which we would do that. And you know, at that point in time following that, I I spend a couple times a year um in a Utah city managers conference and and then through my association with Irma, being with a lot of other city managers throughout the state of Utah and um in consulting with Nicole that uh has a ton more history in this than Derek does, frankly. Um, you know, the reason we never brought a PID policy back to the city council is that we didn't feel like it was actually in the best interest of us to put a policy together because every one of these is different. And but kind of back to the residential setting, you know, to be honest with you, I spent quite a bit of time talking to the city manager for Cedar uh City, Utah. And you know, I think Cedar City, you're seeing, you know, some growth in Cedar City uh residential growth. And you know, as I had met with him, it's like, you know, why should I do these in a residential zone? Why should Brian City entertain these? I Great question, Council Member Smith. And you know, I think it's really that thing when you when you talk about this type of development and this sheer mass of public infrastructure that's required to to do, you know, any development, but specifically on 1200 West, I think it's really important to note the development of 1200 West um obviously has the ability to serve more than just specifically this development. It's a major corridor um through our city from north to south and it's something that's been on the general plan for many many years. It's a big major road and I think the developer and the applicant in this situation is

committed to helping see that project um to fruition to help us you know for through kind of the heart of the city there. And I think that's really important and and obviously you know we as staff frankly are supportive of doing this. It's a really good way to fund um something that you know that honestly we've been trying to figure out how to take care of and fund for many years and and it's something that you know new development pays for new development. I think that's something that as a resident of Rig City and us as staff we've been trying to protect and and do a really good job making sure that new development pays for new development and the existing 24,000 people that are that have been here in our city are not are not shouldering that burden. I think this is a really good opportunity that kind of provides that way to, you know, show the public and the existing 24,000 people that we're serious about that as as city staff and you as elected officials eventually. So, so along those same lines, would you then say that most of other developments you'd be looking to do is because that would make them pay for all that infrastructure.

Yeah. So they don't always make sense and that's really what kind of Nicole Nicole if you want to jump in here on top of me at any point in time you're more than welcome. So um but they all they're not always going to make sense. So a 30 lot subdivision uh or a 30 home subdivision that you know Mr. Bay is currently doing multiple in our city right now. You know there's not that type of public infrastructure cost to complete something like that. So they don't make sense long term. So that essentially the no policy recommendation that we have made as staff to the to the council is is really just that they need to make sense and we need to be a little bit flexible and you as you know as the city council I think need to look at every single one of these individually and say does this make sense or does this not make sense for the roughly three,300 residents um that are going to move into this development that would be within the boundaries of this specific pit. just

it's mayor's meeting, not mine. [laughter]

Gar Heritage Land Development. Um, so I I think with the the little maybe not maybe maybe not a misunderstanding, but I just want to clarify when we do residential development and when we do the public infrastructure district, most of these improvements, well, I I would say all of the improvements that are included in the PIB are what I would classify as off-site improvements. We we're not going in and building the roads that we need to do our subdivision. We're building 1200 west 106 foot wide corridor goes from Forest Street to the end. We're building a regional list station um and some trails and and and those kinds of things. I think some people think that a public infrastructure district kind of offsets our development comp and it doesn't. It makes it so that our development is possible because of these off-site improvements. The the large road. I mean, the bulk of it is really 1,200 west. And that's a big big take down. 400 south is also, you know, headed headed west is is also on the list to to get completed and 1400 west as well. Those are roads that are more material and and collectors that that are outside of really what we need to develop, but we need it because the infrastructure is is there. So, I just wanted to clarify that that it's not really offsetting what we do as developers. We're still going to do escrow for our local roads and all the local water lines and sewer lines that we have to put in. Just these larger improvements that I don't know how they would be funded if if we didn't do a public infrastructure district.

The other the other piece just to you know just to add on Oh, sorry. Yeah, just to add on to that. Um the other opportunity it it does allow the city to to think about certainly not something that's a mandate but sometimes when we see these types of projects with large regional impacts like the 1,200 west you know the underlying sewer improvements that have been mentioned uh you know sometimes the city will impose like connectors fee or pioneering fees so that you know the next guy that's across the highway or whatever that ties into that that those those residents and those property property owners, you know, would pay their fair share, which could also then go and help to pay down the bonds more quickly. Um, so we do see that a lot of times with these regional improvements just cuz there's probably a lot of property owners kind of, you know, sitting on their hands saying, "Hey, once somebody else builds that road, I'll I'll gladly use it." Right? And so there are some ways to to kind of um you know have more fairness for the taxpayer to help reduce the property taxes in the future by you know routing some of those impact fees or pioneering agreements or similar back to the district that paid for them. It might be something you might use further out because of the cost of Yep. I mean that makes sense for two weeks. Two weeks.

Two weeks. Okay, that's it. Right, we have a uh an opportunity to go into a close session. So, we would entertain a motion to move into close session. So, move you have you have to publicly statewide. Oh, sorry. Yes.

Well, I I purposely asked her to list out the things so I didn't have to try to remember. pending or uh let's see for real estate exchange or lease of real estate pending or lease mode or imminent litigation cyber security or the charact professional competence or physical mental health of an individual I think it's uh today it's the purchase exchange or lease of real property we have a do we still have a now a motion [laughter] by council member Jensen yes okay and a second by council member hip we roll call in so we'll start with Mr. Hip and move to his right. Dav Ryan's Robins. Thank you. Motion passes.