Conservation Commission - Regular Meeting

I guess I could just call the meeting to order at uh because we do have a quorum and David will be back. Um know and it's what 7:38 uh no you are 7:33 there. Okay. Yeah. November 32. Can't read a clock anymore. Okay. Great. Um, so our first order of business is just to review the minutes from our last meeting. So, do we have a copy of those? Is this Yep. I will pull them up.

Uh, does anybody Oh, you guys don't have any packets. Okay. So, maybe everything Oh, sorry, guys. Um this is usually we have I think it's because there was another meeting here. Oh so um just one minute y'all. I share packages with you. Sorry about that. I might grass in front of me. Okay. There you go. And on the top of there, somewhere in that package that I just picked you is a copy of the draft minutes when

Yep. October 22. And you were there? Apparently, I was worried. Yeah, that's what we had the um that showed the the rake people came in. Oh yeah. So I think that was good for your um So did I have a motion to approve the minutes from October 22nd? I have a motion.

Yeah. Second. So I would Rich moving and um Lucy seconding. All in favor say I. I. All right. Okay. So unanimously accepted. Um so we still have you have like 10 minutes. Is there 10 the like? Yeah. Yeah. one of the correspondent signs.

Okay. So, should we go to the wild swamp hunting? You make make that a little bigger. That'd be great. Oh, Grace. Great. Yeah. So, essentially what they're asking for is having no hunting signs. Putting um or suggesting that we put no hunting signs on. Yeah. It's not like that. Like I've seen those on other properties or I don't think the town has done that. Okay. Um but I know BC Trust does that on their properties and we have just

Yes. I think it was I think it was well before your time on the commission um during Charlie. Yes. So, when he was on the commission, he uh he was not anti- hunting, but he felt it was really important to um put uh no hunting signs on the commission's properties, which which was done. I think they gradually disappeared over the years, right? But but the thing I wonder about this, um is she sure that it's coming from Wolf Swamp?

I know. because that's stateowned land down there, you know, the the Delaney Wildlife Management Area and they do allow hunting on that parcel. So, I'm just I I just wonder if she's completely connect to the wall. I believe so. Yeah, I believe so. Well, she thinks it's coming from 1414, which is the other direction, right? Like behind Holiday. Well, but I think that that that is in the direction of the stateowned land or maybe it's an easement. I'm not sure, but I'm pretty sure that they do allow hunting. The state does allow hunting down.

No, certainly over um cuz what what down Eldridge? So, if you I think they live on Eldidge Road. Oh, no. Old Harvard. Oh, old Harvard. But when you get to Eldridge, that's where um the Delaney property is. Yeah. Right. Yeah. But I think but but I think I think that's the Elizabeth Brook res. It's closer to Elbridge. So they are right there. So yeah. So but they're thinking this is town land here and this is private land here I believe. Load and tell us all up um on the other side of Hazard Lane is um for is uh lied properties. Correct.

Yep. Correct. 1414. Well, which she's what she thinks. So, so it's she thinks it's coming from that direction. She thinks it's coming from that direction. Correct. We do also This is also here conservation land, right? This parcel that's part that's is that that must be part of both songs. That must be, right? Yeah. Yeah. And where are they again? Um this this uh specific property that really does jet out into that. Yeah. So it was like who owns that right there? Those pieces. Who's who's off to the west? Directly west.

This is private. Yeah. Hoffman. It is at farm. Linda Hoff. And then and then the one just to the north of that this one. Yes.

I can I can speak with our assessor, but um I mean yeah, it looks to be all wetland or or water that. And so what's what's 17-01? 17 dash. It's just north of where you are. This one there. Yeah, that must be Yeah. 1414. So, my guess is that all of this or I know we know all of this is 1414 here. Not certain about this. And then this here is private as well. So,

you know, one and two do fall within our jurisdiction here in the red. But certainly if it's coming from 1414, the owner has the right to allow people to hunt. Yeah. But I think her point is that we would make it clear where hunting is not allowed by posting where our property line is. So that we have to know where that is, right? That's I'm not sure that's so easy. it as just as a matter of course. Do we post no hunting at on the kiosks and all over the box trail? No, I don't think we used to we used to

um Well, what we used to do is have a we had a sign say there's no hunting there's no hunting on conservation land, but there is on on private land that may have but we had the little list of of when the when the dates were. Um, yeah. So, I can I mean I I actually myself have run into I had a big incident that was actually written up in Italy. Um, because I was walking at Steel Farm

and I there were two guys behind trees with guns and one of them yelled out to me, I should be wearing orange cuz it's hunting season. And I said, "Well, I'm walking in conser I'm in conservation land." And then they said, "Well, a bullet don't know that." Oh my god. What? Okay. And that was after that that there was the big push to Wait, when was that? Oh, was like 2004. 20 years ago. Yeah, it was. What? No. But so but so so they were technically on somebody's property permission but they were faced but they were

we had a friend we have a deer hunter friend who came over when we first bought our property and he was like you can't he he couldn't like we don't have enough clearance from other houses for him to get a colonial ridge pro like um a butter's permission for him to hunt on our land from yeah I think it's very it's pretty hard to do that in most areas, but there are areas of course 1414 would be one. Yeah. Um, so the thing is, do we think it's worthwhile to look into how this how diffult this would be?

Well, I guess matter of getting a boundary survey and marking the boundary. And I I think that's good to do for other reasons as well, but you know, it's a little bit of an expense and have to hire a surveyor. I don't I don't know what else we can do except Yeah. maybe put something at the trail head. Yeah. I I Yeah, I was going to say as as sort of a best practice that should just be standard language. Yeah.

But these people But these people are not on trails. They're actually what the problem is is you're approaching conservation land from a private property with no trails, right? So, you're not you're not encountering a I mean, we could do that as well obviously, but I think that that's not what this is about. It or I'm not sure that would solve what this issue is.

It's a Yeah, it's a fine line there. So there's I I would say that it's a good practice to make that part of our standard kiosk posted. Just say no hunting on Boxboro conservation land like this. I still have those signs somewhere. Okay. And and and and in the fullness of time we could we could just make sure that gets up and maybe we could give that to uh um the the trail steward team. Hey guys, would you please post these signs at every trail and kiosk? And they could just check them off. It's a background task, right? This boundary survey is kind of a big open-ended task.

Well, it could be. The other thing you could do is you could talk to the owners of 1414. Say that there have been, shall we say, concerns expressed and ask them to post the boundary. You know, they can certainly afford it. you know in 1414 that's that that commercial property out there the affordable is behind it and also I mean do we have to have it on the exact boundary I mean could we um you know post you know what I mean uh I think to answer your question no it doesn't have to be but you have to make some kind of educated

right and it can't be easy okay so so are are you saying that somebody like 1414 gave them permission to do that, right? Yeah. So then they should know who they have given permission to, right? So it sounds like this is a 1414 problem. I think they're worth contacting because maybe they don't know. Maybe they don't. Maybe maybe they haven't uh given permission in which case, you know, they can they can post their property if they're agreeable. I don't know why they wouldn't be agreeable, you know, just huge public. Yeah, it's a huge market issue,

right? Okay. So, uh so the suggestion is we approach we contact 1414. Yeah. Yeah. to the property owner. Um and just confirm, you know, just um confirm whether or not they are allowing hunting on their property. Yeah. And and if not, please take appropriate steps.

Right. and and as and as you know point two would it say uh see if the trail steward team would if if we could provide them with the no mounting signs for the kiosk that they get posted that could just be one of those checklist items that we revisit in 6 months time how many of the trail heads have been covered for yeah I was Dave was supposed to be coming but I guess I don't see well and 1414 says that they have given permission then we can then they need to talk about it.

Yeah. You know either if if they're not agreeable to resenting the permission then I think the reasonable ask them to post the boundary now that doesn't necessarily stop the hunters from shooting in the direction of this house but at least they won't go on. not willing to do it. Yeah. What um so Ian, do you think this would be um satisfactory to is it Vivian?

Um yeah, I can I can reach back out to uh Vivian Barbadoro, let her know kind of the next steps. I'll also look into the deeds to see if they have anything regarding the boundaries. Um, but yeah, I I think uh reaching out to to 1414 owners will probably be our best effort uh specifically for this and I think moving forward thinking about posting it at all of our trail heads on the kiosks. Um, but definitely a best practice I think. Yeah, that that's a good idea. I I am very I mean I actually like the idea of posting our boundaries with no hunting.

I mean it um Uh because honestly I've also been at Steel Farm on the other side on the picnic trust side which is near Jenny Richardson's property and there was a guy um on conservation land. He thought he was still on Jinny's property. Um but he would not. Yeah. Yeah. Um well he didn't threat me though so that was he actually retreated to uh there were bullet haunting in a tree. I wonder what some of like arrows. There's we have bow hunting season, musket, and shotgun. I use bow right now.

Okay, Liz, I I will point out um we have 7:48 now. And um we do have Lynhood here. This is always It's always longer than you think it's going to take. Okay. But I think so we'll we'll we'll we'll start off with just contacting 1414, see if they're actually allowing it. Um, if they aren't, then let's make them aware and they can do the do posting. Um, and then I wouldn't mind circling back and talking more about posting our own properties,

trail heads to start off with, but I think a little more widespread just especially in areas where we know there's um a private owner, a butter who does allow hunting and there could be a conflict. Okay. So, all right. Well, um, so that's that. So, we will move on at 7:45. We do have a continuation of a notice of the 10 hearing for 975. That's a and I think it is my and do I need to read the legal notice? You don't have to read the notes. Not very

correct. And I will So, Lim Hut, welcome again. Um, this is, I believe, your third hearing before us. I don't know. Let me see if uh I can make We all have the um Lyn Hood, did you have a presentation for us tonight? Uh, yes, I do. And wonderful. And I apologize. I saw your email um just about five minutes ago. No, you're good. I I you had joined a little. It had been 5 minutes past and I I know that I hadn't um explicitly con can confirmed with you so I just wanted to make sure but thanks.

All righty. Um good evening everyone. Uh for the record Lim Hutiv. I'm an engineer at Coid Press and Ringwall GPR for short. Um I see that we're we're doing in person meeting again. I wish I had known. I would have just showed up in person. I much prefer to do that than over Zoom. Um, in any case, let me just do a quick screen share here. All righty. Can everybody screen see the shared screen? Okay. Yes.

Perfect. So, um, I'd like to go through some some of the changes that happened since the last time I was here, which is uh quite a bit quite a bit ago. So, um, let me just try to jog my memory and and please feel free to stop me anytime if I'm misremembering something and you like me to go back to kind of go over any of these changes. Um, why don't you just recap what the project is again because it's been a while. It's it's been a while and and I'd also like to hear what was approved by the planning board because that was sort of the big thing that brought you back here. Yes, that is correct. Yep.

Okay. So, I'll just do um a brief recap of the the project as it is and then just kind of give a quick summary of what happened at during planning board. Um so,

all righty. So, let me just scroll down here. The proposed project is a commercial development located at the um address 975 Mass A. 975 Mass A. um has a intermittent stream that runs um I guess from east to west on the screen here um that has an associated bordering vegetated wetland that runs along it. The applicant is proposing to construct, let me just scroll down, a commercial building that will have eight rental units um to be designated as building trades um for for the purpose of renting them out. Um, as the project site is surrounded by wetland and the stream at the front, we're proposing to do a Wellland crossing with a stream crossing at the front access here off coming off of Mass A. um as we're filling in wetland area in this portion here in order to put in this aluminum arch culvert to meet stream crossing standard. We're proposing a wetland replication over on the right hand side over here coming off of Massav. This lo this location was recommended and reviewed and ultimately agreed upon between Bill Murray from places as well as Matt Marorrow, our wetland um scientist consultant that this would be a better location for rep wetland replication. uh due to the fact that we would not need to remove as much material or top soil to replicate the wetland and no trees

will be removed uh for that to happen in this area. Um previously that lead well wetland replication area was previously proposed right about here and ultimately got changed to here. Um, at one point the driveway access location was actually approximately 50 ft to the uh, I guess screen right um, right about where my cursor is. This location was peer-reviewed and ultimately changed due to concern um, with offsets to the intersection between Mass F and Sarah's Way. And ultimately when we went back to review the revised location, uh we also agreed that this is a better location for the driveway access mainly due to the fact that we were able to um meet stream crossing standard with the openness ratio for the arch cover better at this location. In addition to better line of sight for vehicles traveling on mass F because not shown here but off of the sheet uh at this location here mass F sort of bends and curve curve out. So you know the closer we are to the uh I guess screen right the less sight distance we would have. So shifting it screen left about 50 ft ultimately worked out better for our mass DOT axis. Right. So to mitigate and to account for the proposed building as well as parking area driveway access

um we're proposing an infiltration basin that's located down gradient of the building at the top. The infiltration basin will provide TSS removal as well as phosphorus removal and provide sufficient storage to reduce the overall site peak storm water runoff rates up to and including 100 year storm. Therefore meeting the regulation set forth by the mass storm water storm water handbook. In addition to that on the screen right here we have uh septic field and septic tank laid out for the proposed building. Uh, one of the waiver requests that we're seeking from conservation commission is the fact that we're doing grading associated with the breakout grading for the system into the limit of the 100t buffer associated with the bordering vegetated well that's on the right hand side over here. Zooming in closer to look at that spot

at the nearest corner. We are approximately 70 ft away between our total slope associated with the 3:1 grading coming down. So 70 ft away from that toe slope to the nearest delineated well end point. The reason for the waiver is because um I believe the box uh well regs does not allow 100 foot um grading into the 100t buffer associated with the septic system. Um the reason why we had to place the septic system here is due to the fact that this is really the only location that we were able to find sufficient depth of pvious um naturally occurring pvious soil in order to sight a sept uh septic system. all the other areas on site we either hit ledge high groundwater or insufficient depth to insufficient depth of naturally occurring previous material. Um just continuing forward here. I believe we talked a little bit about this wetland plan that you see before you here. Uh this plan here just sort of highlights the area that we're filling on the left hand side here and the green is what we're proposing to replicate on the right hand side here with shrub plantings uh shown here. So we are we are filling in approximately 980 square ft of wellen area and we're proposing

1,200 square ft of willen replication in this area. I believe the regulations calls for a one to one. We provide an additional area um in the case that if some of the area uh failed to replicate to kind of just kind of make up for any any loss or or difference. So uh just quick question. Um so it's that dash line that uh goes around the wetland replication area and the temporary construction in terms that's not all of it is the wetland replication area right?

No the dash line is just a limit of work work. So so the wetland replication area does not extend into the mass air right away. It does not. It ends at the green dash line over here.

The only reason why I left in the the darker dash line is just to really uh provide a computation for the site overall disturbance area. All righty. Um so that's the the quick summary of the project. Um, I want to also open up the landscaping plan that was submitted to just kind of show everyone. See here. So, this is the landscaping plan um that was provided. I know we had a little bit of conversation about the um the different changes when I first uh came to the the commission to talk about the project. We had located the existing trees just beyond the the property line into the uh the property where the existing trail is located. Um in an effort to try to essentially paint a picture as to what it would look like if you're standing on the trail looking in. Um we have also provided additional planting all along um the stone wall here to sort of fill in the gaps between between these existing trees back here. As far as the parking lot itself, we're proposing a bunch of trees kind of surrounding the whole parking lot. In addition to that, we also have a row of approximately 8 to 10 ft tall evergreen tree um lined up at the top level in front of where the building is as well as a row of trees at the bottom in front of where the retaining wall is.

Um, and of course some more trees at the along the uh the driveway coming in. And I believe that's really it. I'm happy to answer any questions. Sure. What um what was it that was approved by the planning board? I understand that was kind of the thing that brought you back here, right? So what was the the significant change there? So significant change in terms of what relates to conservation or uh just in general.

Well, so so something we we've had several continuences here and now we're back. Right. So my recollection is one of the sticking points earlier was the septic system itself encroached within the 100 foot buffer zone and now it appears that the septic system is just outside it but it's the grading that encroaches it. Did I I think it always was the grading. It was all you can correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think it ever was any part of the the system itself.

That is correct. The septic system has always been outside of the 100 foot buffer as required per title 5. So then the so then are you seeking a waiver from KSCO to allow the grading to be within 100? Yes, that is correct. Yep. and and that is that is not something that would have come from the um the planning committee. They don't they don't either the planning board or the board of health think would have flag that. Okay. So so then is that the principal ask that you have at this time to to uh put is for that waiver.

Right. And then and then the crossing with the offset on the wetland application. Yes, we we've seen that. I believe we've seen that offset presented before. But this is a new location, correct? I think we've seen that before. I believe I believe I believe the last time that I was here, I believe um um Madame Chair was not here for the presentation.

Sorry about that. Yeah. That's right. And so and so and and likewise uh you know the idea of moving the uh the entrance 50 ft uh I guess westward um is it seems like all to the good, right? As I recall from the entrance there you're you're going to lose some trees regardless because of the uh just how heavily forest it is right along. That is correct. I can open up the uh the plan real quick just uh just as we're talking about

right and and I believe again one of the primary motivators for doing this was just to make sure that you had significant offset from adjacent a budding driveways right there's a busy one across the street for instance that is correct the previous location uh if you can see where my cursor is. Yeah, these three trees right here, they would all have to be removed as well as this one over here. So, I guess a total of uh four large tree near the uh the the front rightway there versus the two that we're taking out over here. Okay.

And and so the big ask then of the of this board is for the the waiver for the grade. Is that right? That is correct. I think that's fair to say. Yeah, I I I I do have some concerns about the wetland replication area, but I think the airplanes have been conditioned. So,

you think it's too close for a run, right? Off. Yeah, that's that's that that is uh my primary concern is that if you look if you look at the grades which I I don't appear to to be uh changing u you know uh from existing grades. It looks to me like the the runoff comes right off the pavement going to go right down into that wetland replication area. Um what do you think Lyn? So the I want to kind of I believe you brought this up uh during the last meeting as well. So I kind of went back to take a look at the the actual temporary construction detail. The concern was that you know this construction temporary construction path that we put in for the replication would potentially bring in uh or or I guess fasten the water flow coming down towards the replication area. So as far as the temporary construction entrance, let me just scroll to the detail. Typically what is done for the sort of uh construction entrance is that you create a diversion ridge. So uh I don't know if you can see my mouse cursor over here um at this location here. So where as water would come down, there's a diversion ridge created within the actual apron itself to kind of carry water back to where the grass is to allow allow it to kind of continue to go on the grass as it does um in this I guess natural state. Um but but even after the the temporary construction entrance is removed and the area restored, it's gonna it's going to go back to the original grade. Correct.

That is correct. Which which which is what is being shown on the plan right now. Um at least on the grading and drainage plan. So, so the way it looks to me is right now the the runoff is flowing off of the one the mass uh pavement going right down into that area where the wetland replication um is proposed or or is there something I'm missing?

No, I I believe you're right. Um um Oh, I'm sorry. I I believe the discussion that was had last time is that this area here in particular because there's no curbing there is a slight burm along this edge here that sort of kept water on the pavement and allowing it to kind of continue down. Um I believe that was the discussion that was had. Um I did go back to check that area. Um, I wish I took some pictures, but I believe there is a burm, a slight burm there right now to sort of separate the water.

I I do recall that from the sidewalk, but but but if it's if it's in the right of way, that's something that the state can alter um if if they want to.

So, so and and the gradient lines, I'm doing a a real close look at it. It looks like um is the there's an edge at the 341 elevation down to 340 and then it drops further into the the wetland. Um what is that? 338. So yeah, there's just there's there's not much of a burn there. There's like a a one foot high natural burn there.

I mean, I would um I I would be satisfied. um put putting in a condition that says like a 5-year monitoring period for the wetland replication area. Um I think that should be long enough to you know make an assessment of of how if if at all runoff from 111 is impacting it. Who would who would do that monitor? Well, it would ultimately it would well the responsibility would fall on the owner. They would have to hire somebody. I'll check with that. Okay.

So, so then that sounds fascinating. Yeah. And and if it turns out that, you know, it wasn't surviving uh for that reason or some other reason, you know, there's typical language that says that a corrected plan has to be submitted to the commission. Yeah, I like to say that. I believe standard replication has a term limit of like two to three year and that that varies between town. Um, that's right. But I think in this case, given the concern, I think it should be five years. I think that's fair. I I don't mind that as a condition. Cool.

Now, so does that is that is that day of year? Um, well, we um we do need to talk about the waiver. Oh, yeah. ask is I was I was saying is is that your only concern on the replication? Yeah. And that's really my only other concern other other than the grading. Yeah. And and yes, so the grading Okay. So what is what what is a way to get there to get to a waiver on this?

Well well um I I I think you would have to look at alternatives. you know, if if the grading were to go into the buffer zone, what can be done? I think I'm certainly not an engineer, but certainly I've seen plenty of these plans that I think the only way you could you could really do that is a with a a retaining wall. Yeah. More of a cliff. Yeah. So, so Lyn Hood, maybe maybe you could uh tell us, you know, what a a retaining wall would be like. I mean would it would it be 8 feet high, 10 feet high? I mean I be massive, wouldn't it?

It it is it would be a very massive structure. Um if we were to be denied of the waiver request, we would ultimately extend this retaining wall uh from this corner having it wrapped around the entirety of the system. the retaining wall itself, if I'm doing my math correctly, because we're intruding approximately 30 feet in into the 100 foot wetland buffer, which means that at a 3:1 grading at 30 ft, you're looking at a wall that is approximately 10 ft tall uh at the edge. Therefore, you know, putting in a 10-ft wall at that sort of length, you ultimately will need to put in some sort of armoring or drip edge along the front of that wall or the bottom of that wall to reduce potential scouring and erosion that will occur at the bottom of that wall. Um that would be the alternative um to the the grading that's shown here.

And what would be the length of the wall? Um let me just do a see here. I don't have the uh the measuring tool off off of uh the PDF that I'm looking at here, but looks to be approximately 80 ft long. So, you'd have an 80 foot long, 10 foot high concrete retaining wall. I'm not wild about that concrete, that's for sure.

Yeah. Well, not to mention the the armoring that would need to be uh put into place at the bottom of that wall as well. So, on top of the big retaining wall. Yeah, you'd have Well, it looks like you would you still you're kind of running out of um real estate even then you looks like you would still encroach a little bit into the 100 foot buffer zone because that that wall has a thickness to it, right? And so, um, you don't have a lot of room there between gradient line, the first gradient line there at 353 and the the next one down.

So, if you I guess if we want the wall to completely be outside of the 100 foot buffer, you would cut it back so that you're looking at this 553 elevation here. So, instead of a 10ft wall is a 12t wall to to make that happen. So I I I personally I'd rather see a vegetated slope going in the buffer zone. Yes. Rather than that kind of mega lift. Just my opinion.

I I would agree with that. But um Okay. And the and the the thing we're concerned about here is runoff down that grade into the wetland. Is that the is that the concern? And I I don't think that was uh particularly the um the original motivation behind the um deregulation. I I think it was more you know what if there was ever a failure of the system. Um I I think you know as far as you know rainwater runoff you know just sheet flowing down a vegetated slope that's not a problem with regard to the wetlands. Okay. Inflation in that. Okay. Right. So slope. So is there any condition that should be applied here to make sure that the slope is is holding to purpose.

Well, I mean it's it's in other words, it's constructed as designed. Okay. So, so I'm I'm asking this because previously we talked about making sure that the vegetated wetland wasn't being essentially destroyed by runoff on the street. Okay. And here are we concerned about impact to the to the wetland from there? I think you just said no because the vegetative slope should filter out any sort of runoff. Yes. Okay. Yes. And there's nothing and there's nothing going in that direction from the parking lot. Um that's all being handled by the storm water management system.

Okay. Can I ask what um vegetation would be selected? Yes. Specifically to the but we don't want things that are invasive or compatible with it. Could it be native shrubs li instead of say just grass, you know, lawn? It's it's not going to be just grass. So, let me just flip over to the uh the landscaping plan. Okay. Make it stabilize the slope. Yeah.

So, um you can see with the the hatching shown here, we're actually calling this area to be completely covered with uh what we call um the New England wildflower mix. Um, so this this mix does a pretty good job of grabbing a hole of um slope and quickly stabilizing and we often use it for areas that are within you know wet wet area essentially. Um is it uh is it planned to be mowed annually or or is there some is there some interval that that I mean because you know there has to be some maintenance you know to keep you know trees from growing on the slope right

um I believe for the most part um once it's been seated the the area that we're really concerned about is this upper area here where we have you know essentially a flat area for the breakout grading. So, this area would potentially be mode just because you need to be able to maintain the uh you know the septic system itself as well as getting access to the debox and so forth. But as far as the slope is concerned, you know, we're that's going to be allowed to kind of grow back and have natural vegetation kind of take place, take hold. So, so it can become it's okay if it becomes wooded again.

Yes, that is correct. I I have a rejection to it. No, I'm I'm okay with that. Okay. So, uh is there any reason why we shouldn't be closing the hearing and moving on to discussing conditions? I can't think of a reason to keep the hearing. Okay. Sure. Can I have a motion to close the hearing? I I move that we close the hearing on 975 NASA. There a second. All

in favor? I Great. Well, thank you. Um and so I mean we can discuss uh so one of the conditions we're thinking of is to me, you know, well making sure it's wildflower mix. We'll have some conditions on um the wetland replication area as well.

I'd like to see a fiveyear monitoring and reporting period. Um you know, I don't know necessarily have to determine you know right now what you know the the um how often it's going to be monitored. um you know we can we can certainly you know the wetland scientist who's hired I think though should should um they submit a proposed schedule for monitoring reporting over the course of their five years but we put that in okay so then how do asking as a first timer on this so then what what is what are the next steps to move this through the process

is to come up with a um order of conditions Okay. With all the conditions that we'll put in, we have some boilerplate conditions and then there'll be some special conditions for example. Yes. I I can provide you with some language for the the wetland replication. I I would I would appreciate a little mentoring on this. Okay. And so then is so then this is something that we will take up in our next meeting to to review and approve the conditions. That's what that's what we usually do. That's going to be in two weeks. Yeah. Wait. So, you you're right. Yeah. You're going to be drafting, but Mary Well, Mary and Ian can um obviously help

I I noticed that there's an awful lot of boiler plate involved, right? But but what we just discussed here is a unique um condition this monster, right? Right. But so yes, again I'm just looking for a little a little bit of guidance here. Right. And of course when uh when we discuss it on um what is it December 3rd um we can tweak or you know there'll be some there there's opportunity for tweaking or adding before we finalize.

Okay. And then I um and we can do this collaboration through the box email, the usually with Tom email. Yeah. And then a cor is involved. Um yeah. So maybe just just deal with David and Mary and um Ian and that will avoid a quorum. Okay, good. That's perfect. The motion was to end today's hearing and continue on December 3rd. No. So we closed the hearing. We've actually closed the hearing. No more contingency. So there are no more continuences and so we're planning on issuing an order of conditions at our next meeting December 3rd

and I am responsible the draft and Steve will oh sorry yeah sorry just have a quick question u I understand that we closed the meeting um but would would us or the applicant have a chance to review the uh the draft order conditions We just want to make sure to be we're able to kind of go through it with with the applicant. Um, you know, would be have that opportunity to do so prior to the next meeting. I don't see any reason why not, right? Yeah. You usually share that with you. Yeah.

Yeah. I don't I don't know how soon we can promise that we'll be able to get it to you, but I don't have an issue with sending a draft to the applicant. Even the day before would be great. Yeah. Lim, I'll I'll try to have them to you um the Monday prior to the meeting. Okay, great. So, December one that is um good. All right, that works. Thank you. Well, thank you, Lyn Hut. Thank you very much, Lyn Hut. Have a good day, everybody. February 3rd. Uh ju just one other thing, Lihood, if you could please email us or email Ian a copy of the landscape plan.

We don't have that. That's a good point. I guess while I guess while I'm at it because I know we we've done a lot of electronic submission, Ian, would you like uh I guess two physical copies of kind of everything all together so that we can have have records of everything? Yeah. Are you speaking on behalf of Are you speaking specifically for the conservation commission? Yes. Yes. Yeah, that'd be great. The include the and be sure to include the landscape plan as well. Um, yeah, it's in the Dropbox, but uh I forgot to include it in my print packet for Mary that I that I emailed her today. That's my it's my apologies to the commission

because we might want to think as well maybe maybe monitoring the landscape plantings in the buffer zone as well, but we can talk about that more. Okay, great. Okay, thank you. All right, thank you.

Thank you. Um so why don't we go on we are going to get to the SASco brand RFP but before we do that um let's take up the request for the extension of the order of conditions for enclave and that is um just to remind everybody they are taking down the access road from that led into the enclave and there are some issues that have come up in terms of what they need to be doing about that. And their order of conditions on the property um expires in December. So, in order for us to um at the time, you know, they'll they'll finish up the project and for us to actually inspect and and see um in the spring, are things growing? Is it respon is it replic is everything that's supposed to be growing grown and have they done the right thing? So in order to be able to do that we need to um extend their um order of conditions and I guess we're extending it until dece uh until December 12th 2026. So

well that's what they're requesting. So that's a one-year extension. We could we could go further if we wanted. if we could. And yeah, I don't know if one year is going to be enough. Um I I mean I wouldn't be opposed to three years, but I would say two years anyway. The way this project has been going. Yeah. Do you want Yeah. Do you want to give us a little extra room? Yeah, I think that would be advising. All right. So,

so I will also uh I'll also say that I did invite Ted Merchant of Toll Brothers in case there were any questions um regarding the request. Um so, thanks for joining us, Ted. I'm not sure if the commission has any, but I'll let them speak for that. Fair enough. Hi, guys. You You don't have any uh problems with a 2-year extension? No, I I I think we should be able to be done and uh investigate in one, but I have no problem with two. That gives us uh ample time. Yeah, that that'll be two growing seasons, right?

Yeah, we we would expect everything to be done in the spring, you know, so that we would have two growing seasons. That's the idea. The By the way, the work is complete. Um now, I was up there earlier today. Um and we have uh a letter from our wetland scientist that speaks to what was done out there. But again, it does need uh you know, some growth in there and and ensure that it uh replicates properly. So, okay. So, we will just change the date to December 12th, 2027. Great.

And and of course, the extension does need to be recorded, which you may already know. I do and we can do that. Okay. Um, any other questions or thoughts on this extension? Okay. So, all in favor of extending your motion. Oh, no. Right. Yeah. Can I have a motion to um extend the order of conditions uh on the enclave to December 12th, 2027? So, moved. Second. All right. All in favor? I. All right.

Thank you all. Thank you for joining us, Ted. Um, so we all have to And there are Yep. Thank you. And I believe I saw David back there. Is that correct? David Barnett. How you Hello. Oh, how you doing? Good. Usual smile on his face. Yes. Go.

Okay. So, while you're all doing that, Yeah. So, let's talk a little bit. Um, David, if you don't mind just updating us on what the opportunity is and maybe some thoughts on what what we want to do here for the grants. love to um Ian I'm sorry I just thought of this about less than an hour ago I was looking at what I might saw I just made some copies of past the past project later recipients which is on the website which you see and I think probably or if you those of us that have been looking at the thinking about this

they're on the SIMA website on the SISMA website yeah on the so it's under. So that's what this I just snipped there did a screenshot of the this part of the last one two three four years just to give you a sense of what's the organizations that have been recipients and at the top of each year oh is the total amount for that year so 880 was divided by those four recipients that's not

no so and then it go down you know but it looks like it's a and based on on look looking at the details of all these it's it's some you know the typical grant is about a thousand or maybe it might be 2,000 or somewhere in between and then and it varies depending on what they're asking for but primarily and if you haven't I mean this is I didn't think to email it to you but this is just a just a sense of what what's won before and but um and then the title you can see the things they've been they they did it for but what I when Ian and I attended the the se the information session a week last week um we they asked us and and the information is up there and he put out some of the guidelines and it was an informative it was interesting and just and I had actually attended it previous year on thinking about it from BC trust but didn't get around to doing anything because it seemed I wasn't ready seemed complicated but so this is the second time kind of I've heard it and I I've shouted down a few things that I've kind of sent I think are what they're looking for just to give and then have that lead to what Ian and I have talked about a little bit but I'm not you know only brainstorming because we wanted to bring it to tonight to get your thoughts but but they they seem to be I'm interested in the criteria that they said kind of I've heard a couple times now is important is the collaborative approach is they like you know they like that if it's say the trust the transcom or the town working together or any other two organizations or even if it's just somebody's a subsidiary or just it's there's some collaboration on multiple organizations that's and then an educational value of the of the project seemed is something they specified as important it's not always required but I mean it's another thing they look favorably on and then

definitely probably the key is the habitat ecological value of of the project And they've stressed I've heard a few times now that and talking that it's not just they're not they don't want it to be looked at as they're just going to pay money to remove invasives if and then leave. It's a what's next and the real goal is is preserving and or restoring the natural native plants or natural habitat. So that's this just to give you an idea of what they've said and and it has to be part of socal has to be part of the wershed either they did say that if it's directly if a project is very directly impacting one of the rivers it gets higher that it's looked at more favorably but it's obviously not a requirement and you look at these the list it's not all there as long as it's in the wershed I mean that's what is the what makes it um makes a bet makes it okay to it it it belongs in this it's okay to put a grant in then

do it so um can we figure out if the project site must be in the wershed or if the town is in the you know is part of the water well I think the project site is what they're talking about yeah so we we do need to be yeah we so we need to look at that and consider the the different se parcels on our land of their value have ecological value. I mean, I don't I don't know that if a project site is located in the Stony Brook wershed, I don't know if that would necessarily be a a killer.

Yeah. Especially has educational value. I mean, that gives it a broader, you know, there's community engagement, educational value in a broader sense, it would probably still qualify.

But then, so, you know, Ian, I'll say a couple more things and I hope that you weigh in add to to since you listen the the program, too. But I'm I just want to stress kind of right up front that I I'm wearing two hats. I'm board of BC Trust, but then the the land steward coordinator and that I'm really and as I'm thinking of that of of what's the right way that I do like I think it's a natural collaboration. I mean I don't there's any it's a it's one team but but there are technical technicalities you know that I I see it pro the more I think about this and after hearing the proposal and even since I've talked to you and I find it it seems like it's more it would be a stronger proposal that it coming from the town the land steward the conservation making land steward with with backing and support of the trust you know that that as opposed to but vice versa. It just seems like it's more of a a townwide it is it's definitely a townwide effort concern. It's just some of the land happens to be trust property but where the trust is interested is community engagement education throughout no matter where it is. doesn't have to be, you know, owned dirt by us. But so I, you know, and when I did say to um the session that that they they asked for our idea, what were we thinking? And they said to me, they said, "Well, we haven't even talked about it yet." But I kind of threw out there and I'll just repeat kind of I jotted it down to see if I could remember say the same thing. But but that, you know, there's kind of a three in the big picture. I look at this grant proposal as even if we don't get it, it's a good exercise that we're to go through to talk have these discussions and put something in writing and involve both or the town and the trust etc. everyone else. So I think I just want to

look at it that way. It's a good it's going to be valuable. But I in the big picture there's the weed warrior program that um subur this Sunbury Valley trustee runs and I've had a few discussions and and just yesterday I talked most recently with Kristen O'Brien and Jane Maloney on the staff that they're they're anxious for box to become a host organization. There's no it's going to happen. They want it to happen and they and they want and they know I've off I've said several few times now that I'm willing to be a point person if not the point person you know as the land steward coordinator and I'm so I'm coming at it from that angle. So they they I my questions were well I've been trained I've gone to a few sessions now I've done what do we what's next you know what do we have to do to become certified or and basically the answer is it's pretty loose organization they're ready to the criteria for there's a form you fill out but but they already think we're I'm and we are qualified and and want know that we're box is serious

and kind of suggested that if we use this proposal as an as an opportunity to put a a preliminary kind of thought about one or three or more parcels that we want to focus on in the way with the weed warrior program. Um, and they will send Kristen probably will come in the spring and do a training session as part of that for it doesn't cost any. I mean, they're that's we don't need money, but they they want to do that. They're willing they're trying to support and get us off the ground. So, but is there some sort of form the town has to fill out and send to them to be official or is it There is a form and it's pretty I I brought

Is it to be completed by the town? Well, it could be completed by the trust BC trust or it doesn't have to be the town, but it seems logical to me that in this case that it would be the the con the land steward, you know, the town, right? I mean it's that's makes sense to me but in theory it doesn't have to be kind of what the um the status of host uh community. So so the comm the weed warrior program is volunteer program that they're they're trying to encourage people to come and help pull weeds pull and cut invasive weed weed. Yeah weed

and it's invasive plants. So it's all about controlling the most the highest priority invasive plants of woody intervasious and there's a list of eight priority and other there's a longer list of 60 or so that are

either already either already on the that are that are current and others that are they're thinking about you know that are initial thought thinking looking at probably will become invasive or already are showing signs. So that the whole program is about in giving manpower bodies to help physical as opposed to man chemical physical pulling weeds there. You have to be a professional spray herbicides. But the weed war program is volunteer effort to supplement that or the there's several examples of around the pounds the region of fragmitees in in wetland are. Yeah, they're every there's there's projects that they're SB, Saskco, Sysma, and others are certainly trying to tackle.

They're creeping in big time on the wetlands adjacent to the

esc there a couple days ago. Yeah. Yeah, they're they're definitely But so I mean the point I want to make is the weed warrior seems to be a logical developing saying that as part of this proposal, here's our thoughts. Here's our initial and here we're we're moving forward and that's going to happen whether we get a grant or not. you know, it's not what we're asking for money thousand or 2,000 for, but but then what we might ask for money where what do we ask for money for is where it seems to me that in addition to that, make sure it's clear to them that we're doing that we're doing we're establishing we're planning to get a weed warrior program which automatically includes education community engagement in it as elements of it because it's trying to market spread the word that we're we're starting this program and you know BC Trust could certainly play would want to play a role in common ground in every other way we could to promote the fact that we're there is a program being started but then that that hire a consultant like Oxfall or or any other that to do to to develop a long range management plan would make sense to me at some point that should

and it either it could either be done develop a plan for one parcel like steel farm summer or in Rolling Meadows or it could be ultimately it's going to be needed. So maybe in this proposal we could say that we're that's the plan but we could even ask for $2,000 for that first to hire Fox. I'm just saying that because I guess we're working with Well, if we focused on one parcel or a section, do you think that's $2,000 is a reasonable amount of money for somebody like

Well, Liz, you had asked me when we did DC Trust did hire Foxo four years ago to do a plan for Beaver Valley. It was $2,500 to do to do the management plan. Now, that was not that did not include doing anything. It was just going through the plan, not implementing it. we get a plan, then we get the barriers or we get, you know, it seems logical to me to say to say that and get a vote from somebody to that what could we do with we need to put a dollar amount with for this grant, but it it could be I don't think we should put more than 2,000 because it seems like that's about the

Well, here's the other thing. Is there any reason why if we got you $1,000 for a management plan for managing in invasives at say Patel or Cuz I'm not I think we do have to have a discussion over which properties wershed uh and really make sure that we we know um but uh we is there any reason why we couldn't use some money from our own um account to like $1,000 to if it if it turned out to be $3,000 and we have $2,000. I don't see why we couldn't do it,000 in the um to do it. In the instructions, they say, "Would you be willing to take a partial?"

You know, if if the budget is that you have to put a budget and would you be willing to take partial, you could say yes. Of course, we're asking for two 2500 or,000 and they only want to give us a,000. We do if we take it, what do we do with it? If we'd have to say I mean I think the trust would step up too with some money or I mean if or both a town trust we have yeah really promising

and in and the final leg of the three schools is the educational interpreter engage community engagement part of it where I I think particularly that the the trust would be natural to be gleaned from that whatever that is it could be to ask for money for if it's not for the consultant pass the money for for signage or materials or other inter educational or tools like a weed wrench or other tools that we to do to the we warrior program it that adds up. So we could also ask for that those are but it seems like it's pretty important right up front as soon as there's funding from some whatever source that is to to develop a plan with the right kind consultant and concurrently ratchet up the weed warrior program. That's going to happen based on what I I feel like their SVT is willing to do and I'm willing to take a lead role in it. I mean I'm I'm just u based on I just think there are a number of people in Bosboro who would be happy to be called upon for you know some targeted uh invasives management.

I've heard people that I know target too. Yeah. I I just think um I I one of the examples of the lead warrior program that I think is really obvious and I mean box could also take advantage of it is in Littleton they do the garlic mustard and they so it's growing on along all the roadsides and they have gone and they got a picture of the garlic mustard that they they just put you know um sticking to the you know stick it to the ground and people just come and they They pick garlic mustard on various areas around town.

Um, but this could be set, you know, this would be um not in the roadway. I don't think we could do it be um on on a property. So, our big question, I know we talked about Yeah, we do need to find just verify that Steel Farm is in the Saskco wershed because it doesn't look like it is. Oh, unless Oh, so it is. It is. Yeah. Yeah. I thought Well, is that is the is this is this orangey base? That's everything else. That's correct. Oh, everything else is okay. Well,

Steel Farm is right under Picnic Street here. You can see. And I'll point out Picnic Street is right here. So it does look like a majority of Steel Farm is not. It's in Stonybrook. And then yeah, I would the other I mean Patch Hill and Rolling Meadows are the other two Ohio sense to start with. First of all, I have to say in the spirit of full disclosure, Chelter Conservation Commission will be submitting an application for one of these grants. Um, should we wish them good luck?

However, you know, surely I'm a resident of Oxford. I think Patch Hill is an extremely high priority. Yeah. Because I think from the habitat ecological value is definitely a higher priority. Yeah. Yeah. And it's and and it's areas of it, as you know, are a total mess. Yeah. Are a total mess. Yeah. And I and I and Rolling Meadows, too. I think I mean those are my my two f I think I think have a lot of value whether whether it's officially on the on the biomap that way or not. I mean, you walk around them and they're both large part with a lot of wonderful woodland and a mix of I think I think the bittersweet is is a lot worse at at Patch Hill and I think it's going to be is a much much harder challenge

and and I think that would be would you think that would be the thing? Yeah, that that would be my choice. Would you actual over rolling meadows or Yeah, I think I think I think Rolling Meadows you just get a bunch of volunteers out there, you know, for a couple of days and that's something I've been thinking of talking to you about. I think you can make a huge amount of progress, but but a patch hill, I mean, it's especially to say the bittersweet is just so bad and it I mean it's primarily along the edges the bed it's croaching. We need to make sure it doesn't get further into getting into the woods and that's a huge concern.

Yeah. I think that's I've gone to a couple three different sessions with SVT and they're where there's a tour and they're showing different projects they're doing and it seemed the the common theme is they've they've they're prioritizing by ignoring the places that are already beyond that are there this population so dense and so heavy of burning bush or you name it that there's that's not where they're tackling with volunteers or others but the adjacent areas to try to prevent van it from spreading further. You know, there where they're where the invasives are present but scattered enough where it's still manageable and they're pullable and and the whole point is to not let it the populations keep spreading. So with that and so I think both rolling meadows and patchel and steel farm all qualify all have a terrible infestation that adjacent to some nice land you know land that could we could do all of them eventually if the weed warriors gets off the ground there's enough people involved but

the only reason I had also thought a steel farm was it's such a heavily used you know town so many etc there would lend itself to community engagement but that's that could be done any yeah just up with this grant all around the town. Yeah, I think the higher priority parcels are from the eological point of view. Some this this would not be the year cuz I guess we're doing the hot fire station and god knows what else.

But I do think we should think about maybe the following year putting a warrant article out for having an invasive management plan for, you know, just get town money. um and how and maybe we can pick two or three or whatever number of parcels to get comprehensive um management plans in terms just invasive management plans. So we could because I I just think that that would be I mean it that would be costly but I I think the town would would support it. I I maybe not this year just because there's so much else taking up our money.

But we could get started with a parcel for Yes. Or we can we can start with a a little section of a particle and um Yeah, I like that idea. I'm definitely for it. And is it the case that once you have a plan in place then you can just use that as a as a template for other properties because if if it's like if you think that better is going to be the thing right and we're going to target it at these three properties. Well, you've got to train people

once or train the trainers. Here's how you deal with this week. I know you pull it out. Damn. you know, his work, right? It seems like the stuff just grows back. Maybe I'm doing it wrong, right? No, I was there on how to properly eradicate this thing and then we can just start doing that. You don't have to hire people to tell you, yeah, you need to pull the same techniques wherever it is. Yeah. Once you know how to Yeah, that's that's true

because I it it seems it it seems kind of this is partial ignorance speaking that you would need a professional to give you a plan for every single parcel if you know that here is the way you address bittersweet that is here's here's how you do that. Here's how you do garlic mustard which is pretty easy and how you follow to make sure it's not going bad. not wrote not doing this horrible start. I wonder if we could get um one of the things I was saying though is also to have maybe a prior like identify the key problem areas or you know yeah that that's how I would see the consultant is what are

here's what we're looking at what are the where would you start and then but what would you think what would that person think is the biggest bang for the buck with volunteers and science and then what do you do so so what I've heard There is that there are places in Patch Hill where we were waking five said literally just walk. We're not going to I'm testing this right because it's like okay we're going to we're giving up on um what is it Bush? Uh

there there's one area that I would I would do with the rest of the property, but it's so intense, so popular. We have other work with you because David's working on a rival. Yeah, we don't want him to know what we're doing. Now, we're really want to stress I think the value in this is the exercise here. if we don't get the grand exercise to do but we I mean talk to me Ian is he said you know we he has some great thoughts too that I I don't know if it but I'm certainly willing to work with Ian are you um what's your thoughts about the grant

no I think I think everything you guys have been saying is great I think it's um really important for us I'm on the side of you know how do I write this thing to encompass what you guys are talking about but also So to make a really compelling argument so that we have a good chance at winning this thing. I I think what I'm saying is what's been said. If we emphasize the fact that this is a collaborative effort between the trust, the commission, the town, you could also even say SVT is included in this if we're using their program um to some extent. You can also say if it is Oxbow that we want to find a way to work with in this whether it's um you know using some of this money or or matching some of our money to um essentially assist us with training or um educating these this weed warriors group and then enacting some of these um invasive invasive manage invasive species removals. Just looking at the CPA application of our ledger. Um we did invasive management at Wickham Road um for $500. Uh and as well at Patch Hill at $750 not long ago. So it seems like these amounts are definitely within the range of this grant what we should be asking for. I think it'll be smart for us to emphasize collaboration, emphasize our ability to match their funding to some extent. Um, and I think with what we've said, we we can definitely put together a strong application. Um, um, to hopefully

So, are you going to take the lead on that? Is that what I'm hearing? Me? Yes. Are you

uh, as long as I have, uh, a lot of support from you and David? Definitely David. I uh I think we I think we can definitely do this together, but I can definitely help and uh or or be the person putting putting the actual application together. I'm sure Alec's going to want to take a look at it. He's really really um experienced and talented at writing grant proposals. Um so yeah, I think I think we definitely have have uh really great options here. Yeah, I would love to go that route with writing it with me and I'll provide any support and and information and knowledge and whatever else that I could provide, but I think that's logical way to go rather than do it like from the trust or other different that way.

Um, so why don't we have it so that Ian because I'd also like to be involved cuz just um so maybe the three of us can get together uh sooner rather than later. Yeah, we have November 19th deadline. So, we got to do I'll uh I'll I'll look at my calendar tomorrow, but I'll be around next week in person um some days to meet maybe early next week. Um but I'll let you guys know what might work or we can wait until after the holiday. But, uh Yep. All right. Sounds good. What was the deadline? December 19th.

Yeah. Thanks for bringing that to us our attention cuz I I think that'll be excellent. Yeah. So, not a little bit more money, but I know it does seem like a really small amount, but still. Yeah, they do have 8,000 again this year. Everybody said so. It's similar to last year, but but that's total to be divided up amongst whoever however they decide the award. I'm going to get the ball moving for people. But I really think it'll be a valuable exercise.

Yeah. Well, thanks so much, Dave. This is really great. and and David I and Madam Chair, I didn't want to jump around too much. Um, this had come into my inbox today specifically asking about the conf conservation land maps. Um, the select board is asking for an update. I was wondering if we had one to provide at this time. I know that it had been on maybe our last meeting. I think it was exactly our last meeting. I don't think it was longer to go tonight. We did. No, that was longer ago. We did talk about the trail maps,

I think. Yeah, we when I was here at the two meeting or the last meeting because I don't think they met in between, we did talk about didn't reach any conclusions, but it had just come up. The reason it came up is because they know the select board asked Sam brought it up and then said there's outdated maps and and what are we going to do? we should support. He was saying they should support the conservation commission in whatever way they could. And so Kelly Price followed through and asked about it and she just did again today and sent another email to me. And well, did I give I I gave you some you are here maps that we do have.

Yeah. But I mean I remember just update the maps in the kiosk information. Yes. Okay. And I and I was gonna and I was going to look into what Chungry does. Yeah. And and I and I and I did do that and I and it's very very interesting. There's there's a company that can um I don't know I don't know what the exact word is but but scan and uh put an image of of a of a map or or an aerial photograph on aluminum. Oh, cool. And and that makes it virtually permanent.

Yeah. cuz that's our problem. They get um sun and rain damage no matter how how big the laminate, you know, heavy duty, but but I can I can forward you the contact information. It's it's it's not that cheap. Um this company charges $80 per um per map. So, they could give us some money, Ian. We'll get back to them. Give us some money. You can you can you can take a photograph and and you know a color photograph and somehow they're they're able to put the image on u a piece of aluminum. Yeah. It's laser but yeah still believe

but I think we're kind of ahead or I think what might be the opportunity with the select board's in support and Ian and Alex technical capacity and there's a guy on a commission that has a a mapping background that that um I I would love to just take you know follow do schedule another meeting to see how we could all it's not just how to preserve the maps but what should the maps there's an opportunity to Yeah. And and you know

and and what you know what else you you gave me like should we what other layer biioap or other I mean maybe it's better to focus on electronic digital with the it's or some you know probably ideally both but I think it's a great opportunity to just step back and have a bigger picture what is what is the goal and then details

and it's it's nothing we need to commit to now but I will say um if If you're saying it does cost some money, we do have some money. I think um there are definitely some some groups or people within the town that want us want to see us using that money more. Um so it might be a good a good exercise, a good practice um not only for that, but of course for um upkeep of of our trails and trail maps. Um yeah, I'd be interested in in those that option, David, if you could send that along to me. So, I guess would it be um would it be correct to respond to this and say that uh the the commission has been discussing this over their past two meetings and plan to have a broader discussion um going into the winter months and um yeah, I mean we'll we'll have more to to show them to show for following um kind of the plan we make, but as of right now, we don't have a directive plan. We are planning to plan. Yeah.

Right. Because we do we have a Perkins Woods map. We don't do we I don't believe so. No. We Well, Tom Bieber did did it on the was out used his phone and you know the trailer was I gave it to Alec and it's in Alex's hands and maybe it's done. I mean was incorporating it into the and maybe Ian knows more but I mean he's the kind of the the physical part on the ground was done but now it's got to be converted into the whatever form it takes to produce a map. Yeah,

just for what everybody just for everybody to know right now what is on the kiosk and they're not all you know they get lost and all that but what we have been posting and up you know and replacing when they um disappear or get damaged is if you go to our um the trail maps on our actually can you um our website

not but Ian um can you go to our website and just pull up um a trail map. It It's cuz when you check um you can actually click on um the trail. We have a there's a map that shows all of our trails and you click on the property you want and it comes out with a PDF of the trail and that I that I just print that out and laminate it and you put a spot and put a UR here thing. Very tedious. people still have no idea where they are. So, I think there's technology that will make that process easier probably if we just click on one of those properties. Oh, no. On the map itself. So, good.

Yeah. See, that's what anybody that is. So, that's that that's what would be on a kiosk at half meta right now. Makes sense. That totally makes sense. Okay. Um, so you are here. Well, no, cuz I do that myself. Yeah. But see, I know there's tech this technolog technology that exists that you could electronically put an arrow on these days, but that's you. It's PDF, you know, editing, you know, just puts

playfully like just simple. But the thing is people do still find and then we did actually um we had little I added little um cards where you could go onto a website that you know that that shows you where you are. But maybe the QR codes so that you get so that would give you a map on your phone that follows you in real time cuz I think not everybody has all trails you have to pay for. Oh gosh. Yeah. I mean I think we should do both have updated physical maps but also have use the technology that exists. Right. Yeah. Exactly. Somewhere we could just have a QR code. We could do that in like a day if literally

if I don't I can use my position as land steward coordinator coordinate and I know who the volunteers are and stewards of each land to say go put this out on the we can get them out there once they're produced. But the getting them produced is where the rest of you all come in on what should we produce first before we Yeah. So rather than put the old things on, maybe just put a QR code if you're doing a QR code to this, right? But yeah, so it's fair to say Well, I you know, I'm wondering is a QR code really what you want or or is it you are you

suggest I I hear what you're you're thinking out loud. But I think what we need is that meeting that we said we were going to have with Ian to look at um evaluate content presentation format and update procedures with trail maps and make recommendations by the end of the year. Yeah, I think yeah because one of the concerns I have cuz I've been working with these maps for a long time is you know is it too much you know how is it are some of the some of the trails confusing because there's a lot of information on the maps. We've got wetlands. We've got stone walls. Sometimes we have we have houses. Um so, you know,

it's so I think we should send Ian or who or anyone else out there has never walked the trail. Oh my gosh. Honestly, I don't think we have too much information, but I think the symbology could be improved. I I think we have to get offline and and work on that. looking at a very bare bones art math type, you know, formatting and I I do think we can improve that. Okay, great. Yeah. Um, would you guys want to Yeah, I would love to get together with Richard. Yeah, let's get our photo.

We'll do it. But that Yeah, that would be And then Ian, you can I mean since Kelly just sent an email that I think you too is way Yeah, I'll I'll give her a brief update and just say that. Yeah. So now we can report that this discussion is happening. Okay. Yeah. There you go. Yeah. Check and check. So Liz before I don't know if there's one more thing I wanted to bring up excuse me or or I believe but that I had you Carla Briggs had sent you and Mary a email about the invasive trees I have it printed here I was that was that is that under correspondence

I don't know I mean she had sent an email a couple weeks ago or so um and I don't know whether you ended up you it's from it was so it was from the DC truck. like that. I mean that this is

I'm sorry and then since it was emailed that that I'm following up on that that's it was there's a the story the version of I could summarize is that we have an invasive plant we've been working with Oxo Associates for four three years now four years now well 2022 the plan was produced and we've been working on it since on invasive plants in Beerbrook Valley and Scott has hatcheted hatch and squirted this three Norway maples. Two of them that were small died. Yeah. The big one isn't even thinking about dying and it's just going strong. And so we're proposing this is a request. I I was out there with Scott.

Oh, this is take it down. Yeah. Proposing to just cut it down and remove because it's the seed. There's seedlings everywhere. It's a special when they're just so horrible when when the it was covered with poison ivy and other things in the summer, but in the picture that was attached there, but at in October it when everything else, you know, leaves were falling off in the Norways are hanging on longer than they're yellow. The Norway seedlings are everywhere under this thing. So, we're concerned about we want to remove the seed the source for future seedlings. And then there's a whole another issue of controlling pulling. We could put use the wheat warriors or another to pull the seedlings. But but that's so it's a request to get your just the

Yeah. Do we have to vote on that? I think we're do you need the commission's permission because it's in the buck. Yeah. Well, it's and we by the way had also the state national natural heritage endangered species program. We asked Carla wrote an email to them the same day as as to you and we just heard we got a response this morning that they're it's okay. They're improving us going forward because it is within the buffer of the wet wet area right there and then so they just approved it today. So if you could if I could go home tomorrow Arbor Works is the proposal we have is from Arbor Works active. So what are they going to go out there with a chainsaw or something?

Yeah, they're going to I went out there with him. He's going to walk out there. No equipment other than the chainsaw and just cut it just with a chainsaw but drop it. no equipment, no trucks or you know, no no tires marks cuz he's going to walk out there, carry the chainsaw, cut it down. But it's a little bit tricky for us for the steward. It would just there's a couple of hangers. We were worried of trying to do it as volunteers. So just to just leave it there. We just got to drop it and leave it and and not you know just clean it up enough and get be able to get around it. I'm fine. It's $650 and trust is ready to spend. We need to vote on it. and says,

but I guess you'll respond. Put an email trail and we'll put that. Yes, I'll put an email trail cuz like just like that's all just from that. So, so are these are these attachments are the eternal life status reports updates on the Well, this was this was the parla I think included the original that well the proposal for this year which did not well but it also says the invasive plant control report 2024. Yeah. So I I I think if if that could be forwarded to all of us. Oh yeah, we have we have reports now for three the last three years and we don't have this yet. Great. That'd be great to see. You want to have all of them?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because then it's I mean yeah inform all all everyone on where to go forward with Oxall or somebody similar on the rest of the next whatever we do going forward. Yeah. This be a model project. Yeah. Yeah. I we I've enjoyed Scott is good and certainly I would recommend Scott. So So are there fragmitees out there? Um there are on the but but it's not on BC Trust. It's not on Beaver Brook Valley. It's on the It's on where the access path is, which is our problem. And it's Yeah, it's Yeah, it's

there's Yeah. So, it's not it's not part of the trust's property, but it's part of it's an issue that should be addressed. So, yeah. Yeah, that's just for the record, the issue is taking action to cut down a a tree maple tree in the buffer zone. And we are allowing it. Can you Oh, yours do what? I mean, that's the It's the version or I could send it to you. I think you just need that. Yeah, that's all I need to do. And it's there's already a hand. It's Beaverbrook Valley Preserve. Beaver Beaver Valley Preserve. Well, thank you. I have You have anything else you want want?

No, I think I think it's been good. We got a lot covered. I look forward to meeting with you, Rich and Ian. Likewise. Thank you. At least with you and Ian on the Yeah. Yay. Thanks so much, Dave. Thanks for coming. All right. Hi. Thanks for the support. Um, should we talk about airport vegetative man vegetation management? So they want more than we don't have any questions or issues, right?

Or so the the airport transportation management, they seem to be saying we already respond and say we don't have any questions or issues and they're saying okay, but how about something that says you're okay if we go go forward, right? I mean, is that the the issue ahead? Uh they don't they don't need anything from us. I I don't think so. They're asking. That's what I thought. Did I Did I misread there? Was the report. Did we actually Did we actually get the yearly operation plan update? Yeah. In fact,

what? Yeah, we got we got the whole big thing. We got We got the yacht. We got Oh, is that just now? I'm pretty sure we've seen the OP. It's Yeah, it's the uh there's it's it's the op of the BMP. Yeah. So So when does it write out this man?

So So that 1227. Okay. And then there's this email on Wednesday 5 November that the final paragraph is saying through an exchange of emails. Mary Eve had indicated that commission had reviewed the the Yaku and had no questions on behalf of the airport mass office directly request notice from the commission that the airport may proceed continued vegetation management under the year through the December blah blah blah. So they're asking us to actually say yes, you are blessed. This is how

well see um I I know for a railroad uh or education management and railroad rights of ways they have to file an RGA to to approve the 5-year plan. I don't know if that's the same situation with vegetation management at airports, which of course are under federal jurisdiction as well. Um although I keep I keep seeing the reference here to um you know Massachusetts regulations, but I don't see anything about filing an RDA. But how did they they've got a plan that's from 2021 to 2026. So when was that that plan must have been agreed to?

Yeah, I don't I don't remember seeing an RTA for that. On the other hand, that's another review request for termination of applicability. Okay, it has an airport vegetation plan.

Let's see. I mean I they are they are mentioning wetland. You can see here um Massport had submitted a generic environmental impact report for tree clearing and wetlands at all Massachusetts public use airports. Um so one could consult the GIR see if there's any mention of an RDA in there. Well, um, Stow issued an order of condition, so they must have done a change 06. This is just some history. So, there was notice of intent at some point, at least in that town.

Well, that's almost 20 years ago.

I know. I know. I'm just saying. Yeah. The Y update attempts to inform agreed to find vegetation maintenance methods in the town of Montro. Review of the permitting to pertinent correspondence airport BCC is necessary for the implementation of this yacht update in Boxboro. So in 2006 2007 the two municipal conservation commission version five orderers the conditions per vegetation management and airfield um which would have been long expired by now if they didn't get extensions.

Yeah they don't seem to reference anything more recent but you there must be a I remember a big brew by us but that was a while ago. Yeah, there was kind of a group, huh? Well, it's coming down trees, but uh Oh, right. That

me my recollection of when we discussed this we that looks looks nice, but I don't see that we really need to act on this. just said he had no um you know questions or issues and and now they're coming back in this email uh address to Ian saying well we need to be we respectfully request notice and permission that they may proceed. I think it's more out of courtesy they're doing that than anything else which is appreciated. Yeah. Yes,

so Liz just have to reply and say I mean yes if we if we do okay it seems like we just we don't even have to say that we approve we Yeah, just proceed. Yeah, you may proceed

cuz they're doing continued light m I mean they're telling you all the things they're going to do. They're light mowing cut and chip and some of trees that are grown into or within 10 ft of the protected airspace surfaces. which

yeah I no problem with them. Yeah, I don't see any particular downside to that. Oh well, you don't want to cut down trees in Moxboro.

It's a very longstanding practice in Massachusetts for all airfields to have a vegetative pantry plant. That's right. For safety aspect, that's right. in the area in which Boxboro is implicated is is relatively small here right at the end of the the callics the right edge of the right yeah and so yeah we used to have a couple of residents though they were just all over this remember yeah but I there was one time when they were went start started just cutting down trees oh And

without a plan, right? Yeah. So planes don't hit them. But but yeah, there's always like how far how far do you go? Well, they they as far as I can tell, they're repeatedly they're repeating in this, you know, over and over again that yes, they will conform to the agreed upon plan that goes all the way back to Yeah. Oh, yeah. that so I feel that I'm okay but okay so I will respond give them okay permission to proceed and I will leave it at that

we need motion uh uh no you don't as we're not it's it's simply correspondence really yes uh Okay. Um, what's next? Uh, so that's the airport vegetation management. Yep. Um, oh, I it's sort of uh Yeah, we're probably a little late. Um, but here's our final um our community preservation committee final application for CPA.

Yeah, I'll uh I'll I know it's what are we at? 9:30 now almost. We're pushing 9:30. So, I'll try to keep this uh very brief for y'all, but um this is a a very rough draft of a presentation that um likely Liz will be giving to the um the CPC. Uh I know that of all the applications, ours seem to raise the most questions. Um we did our best to put together a strong application without pigeon holing ourselves to too many um like, you know, funding commitments. This is exactly how we plan to use our CPA or our trust fund money in the next couple years. And obviously um as as I have kind of mel mentioned in in talks with Alec have identified um um possible future funding. So um I met with uh Meredith H. Hoten the regional coordinator at SVT to discuss the strategy um for increasing our our funding. And uh a key point we discussed is that you know fed federal funding for climate and conservation is increasingly uncertain. Um and because of that Massachusetts is preparing to invest more heavily at the state level through initiatives like um the nature for Massachusetts bill, the conservation l land tax credit, mass ready act. Um there's there's a couple strong ones there. Um and uh so as as the state investment grows, these um these programs are going to become more competitive because they're offering more money. Um and municipalities that can provide a strong local match fund um are going to be the ones that are more well positioned to secure that money. So that's one of the big arguments we're making here is for

Boxbar to remain competitive and eligible for these grants um that already exist and could be existing in the fing future we we need more liquidity and a larger reserve in our conservation trust fund. Um on top of that a more datadriven approach. We talked about identifying uh priority parcels in our town. So, over the coming week or two weeks, um I'm going to be working with Meredith. I'm going to be working on some data that the uh the B uh the BCT their land um they have a new focus group. I'm I'm their name. I'm not entirely sure, but uh Steve and David um one of you guys went to the meetings. One of you guys sent me an Excel spreadsheet that identified a lot of parcels in town um and their owners and and essentially priority parcels. And so I'll be using that. Uh SVT has a similar data set that I'll be using. Um looking at land use, habitat, trail, acreage, um ownership, especially um things that have recently fallen or owners that have recently passed away. um owners that or land that might soon be available.

Nice. Nice.

Um and so yeah, the the main message uh increase increasing the trust fund now um will position us to to better take advantage of of these upcoming uh conservation investments and remain competitive for grants. um as well as uh be able to secure important lands um when those opportunities arise. So, I put this together uh today and and last night, and it's definitely not pretty, but it's got um all the information that's needed. So, uh we can go through this slowly. I don't think I need to read what's on the screen. It's essentially what I was just saying, but um if if we if you guys see anything you want to add anything, please let me know if you find anything that might be helpful to to add or rephrase. Um again, this is uh just made so uh it's definitely far from its its final form. But Liz, did you have anything to add from our our meeting we had on was that Monday? Uh, no. I'm just uh Yeah. So there's So this seems to be that they want us to like if we were going to get a grant,

having our own pot of money would be helpful. I guess that Yeah, right. Whatever. You're right. This got to have money to get one of. Another thing is when if there are a lot of there are some several properties out there now who there may be opportunities where we would want to do some evaluations as to whether we wanted to recommend that the town buy them and that cost money too. So, and so if we had to do that for both the Richardson and Cruzen and Morris properties all this year, I mean that's if we needed to, you know, do um what do we usually do? Appraisals.

Yeah. Yeah. Have appraisals, surveys. Um Yep. Uh that kind of due diligence. They've been cleaning up or something. Yeah. Due diligence for whether or not that that you know we would want to um move forward and and uh try and buy the property. So, yeah. So you need money to be able to do that.

So I I think two other things is is uh one of the biggest criticisms that our applications got is that we haven't spent a lot of money. I think um in our presentation definitely stressing that um we have a lot of these opportunities that we're we're saying will give us an opportunity but um you know we mentioned the conservation trail maps we have done sorry I'm sorry what did they mean we haven't spent a lot of money what's what how much money

sorry we haven't spent we haven't spent much money in the last two years I think is what they were pointing at two or three years um since our comprehensive environmental or sorry since our open space and wreck plan. Um we've only it's in the it's on page seven of eight in in your uh application packet. Okay. Yeah. Because the thing is how much money do we have now? Uh we do have $46,000 and the uh committee did point out that is the um the highest amount we've had um just by a small margin. But

like we said, I think I think our our arguments here um outweigh outweigh that argument of of us having the most money. Now, I think you'll look at the facts. what what Liz and I have talked about like a a smaller argument is that every time we do make a larger purchase um we get you know around below $20,000 which really ties our hand anytime um something big like Perkins Woods comes up and we need money for legal fees and and uh let's let's just review. We've been getting money $10,000 since 2010. Is that correct? So that

since uh 201 is now 2025. So how is that 15 years? Yes. Yeah. So if we hadn't been spending any money, we'd be what having $150,000 in this account. Is that correct? So we've been getting money from the CPA since 2018. Before that, I believe there were just warrant articles um allocating free cash. Oh, I'm sorry. I guess we've been spending because we used to get 10 thou whether it was um we we would get 10,000. Is that correct? Oh, no. We would get 5,000.

Yeah, 5,000. And then in 2019 it did become uh 10,000. Um yeah, I think we've also said that it's likely this is a one or 2year off increase just to um just to position us to act on any of these um new coming uh state grants or or opportunities. Um, and then returning to a smaller amount, but obviously not mentioning that directly in the application to not tie us down to to anything um that we can't commit to. I think what what really needs to be emphasized again I guess without mentioning any specific names

is that there there are some properties you know there some really important properties from a conservation perspective that might become available tomorrow and that we really need to be prepared uh to act you know how much does it cost it uh let's where is it um How much to to do a due diligence on a property? How much does that cost? Well, you're looking at you're looking at an appraisal. Yeah. So, let's just say appraisal. Is that like 5,000?

Uh, probably more than that at this point. Probably between 5 and 10,000. Uh, really really should do a title exam. You know, again, that's that's highly variable as well. That's that's easily $7,000. Um, So, I don't I don't think I don't think that it would be outrageous to say that you would need $15,000 in upfront due diligence costs. Yeah. this for, you know, a an acquisition certainly of, you know, 10 acres um with, you know,

Yeah, I think that's our our and we have several properties that could um you know, could could come up um anytime. Yeah. So, but then they would say, of course, and um well, then I think you have to say that this town has historically really supported conservation land acquisition and general land protection,

you know. Well, we can also talk about our maps and our map upgrade. Um, which would be which I think also would that um count. Can we use CPA funds for map upgrades for conser? Yeah, that's making improvements to your conservation. Yeah. Yep. And we I believe we have that already under uh in our last uh decade and a half of spending on page seven somewhere in there. Yeah. Not great.

So So based on what David just said, so with a bunch of with the current balance we have, we could do like three appraisals of 10 grand each and then we have 15k left in the bank. That's not a lot to to act on, I think. And then and then and then a legislator, the sake of discussion that Tom eating approves an acquisition, then that brings in a whole bunch of other pre-acquisition costs, you know, especially if you're applying for like a land grant, there are costs that need to be incurred, you know, in order to be able to make that application. So, where is that money going to come?

Yeah. Also, a big thing that I I had just realized is um you know, this is a FY2027 application technically. Um and our open space and recreation plan expires in 2027. So, yes, you are kidding me. Yep. It's a 5year. Oh, it's only five years. 2023 to 2027. I'm I just had it here. So, what's like 15 grand? Um, it'll probably be a a pretty robust update instead of I believe what we had was a new plan. Um, so it won't be that's is that true? Cuz that's 30 plus,000.

Closer to 40, I think, especially if we want to do a 10year plan, which they which they do allow now. Um, I'm really surprised it wasn't at least a sevenyear plan. Okay. So, what I think I just heard is we're going to have to plan on like a 20 or $30,000 spend. That's our big That's That's it. We're there, guys. Yeah. That's it. That put us over. That's That's That clenched it right there. Yeah. And And just to be clear, if this money comes up, this is going to end up as a warrant article in the next ATM, the CPC request. The CPC request. Yes.

Okay. And out of that and the open space plan, we would just fund it out of our own fund. We wouldn't have to go to town meeting for that. Okay. So, I guess I'm a little confused on how the where the money's coming from. So, CPC is a separate pot of money than CPA funds are that little, you know, you have a little um 1% I think it's 1% um sir charge on on every tax bill that gets into its own little pile. That's the CPA funds that the CPC oversees. Okay. So that's not there's not an ATM thing that a petition to CPC saying guys

as one of the you know um big stakeholders in conservation and open spaces in Boxboro. Here's we need to do these things. Please give us some money so that we can Yeah, but we have to go to town meeting for that. We do have to go to we we have to first go to the CPC the community preservation committee to get approved to get get even on the list and then they will take the list of the projects that they approve and that they have verified are eligible for CPA funds and they will take those to town meeting and then that is one big bucket or is that subject to a line item veto at the

it is you usually they try and do it like they bunch them up and under a consent agenda. But if if anybody objects, you every each one of them is a standalone project that you have to be ready to defend. But this is the first defense is getting the CPC to agree um to our 25,000. Okay, that's the first hurdle. Thank you. Because I was wondering how that all tied together, right? Okay. and the the CPC may approve it and the finance committee still they won't I'm sure they won't just because it's un you know it's more than we usually get

and and all we'll have to do is that means we'll just have to make a presentation at town meeting as well and I think we have a good story so and and yes and Ian's point about having to redo the plan yes is really that's it I did not know it was expensive I I I feel like it was only yesterday. It doesn't help that it was published a whole year after it it you know you were in between. That's what it is. We were I was working with one planner then another planner and then Oh yeah yeah yeah. was quite Yeah. Remember

David is that new? Is that recent? uh the 10year um uh yes this this year or maybe year was was the the first time they've offered a 10-year plan. Well, that's that's good news for us obviously. But yeah, I know I just realized that and um I mean it seems seems like a no-brainer for us, but obviously uh yeah, Liz, we can we can work on this presentation that I have. I just need to make it pretty and and probably reduce some stuff and and get us a a script or talking points to go after.

Yeah. Well, thanks. Yeah. Well, um you just uh you know to tomorrow when you come in, just send me a couple of idea of of your dates so we can get together and passion. Yeah, sounds good. I'm I'm working from home tomorrow and and Friday. So So it might be next week or the following week. Yeah. Okay. Sounds good. Thank you, Anna. That's good work. Oh, yeah. Okay. So, that's that. Hopefully, is this all we um I do want to say um we have a um what do we get? We got a notice of intent um for 272 depot. Um let's see.

Ends with a B. Brian Brian. Who used to live there? It was a big brew. Burton. Buckton. The buckton. Yes. You guys have that printed? Um, do we have it? Do we have a copy of it in our packet? No, I do. I fall. I don't know if it was like what? Oh, notice of intent about Roy. Um, it um so um this is a reviewer copy and

you were thinking since you have you were here when the bus can you do it or I'm really not sure. Oh, you um I can't do it. You're you doing 675 early. So I I guess that's leaves me. What What are theying? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Do you know? Yeah. What are they proposing to do? And then move. Oh, that's right. They're doing something with it. Um they're tearing down the garage and then building a an attached garage. Yeah. It's like that might be simple enough for Rich to get started.

Yeah. Rich, do you want you and I want this out today? I think forever. What now? What exactly would I be doing? I would be reviewing that packet. Yes, we would be reviewing this packet and uh actually Yeah. And um and by the way, which might be um she'll do they'll do it with him, right? You'll show up. Yeah. that December 3rd is when the hearing is, but um that is when they come to us and explain everything and then we ask questions and we can keep continuing it until we are happy. I I'm happy to take that lead on it and uh we'll see how that goes. All right.

Yeah. And I'll say uh Bill Murray went out there today. I didn't get anything back from him, but I know he went out to walk the site today. Okay. And uh yeah, I believe um this is in the buffer zone apparently. Is that it? Yeah, I think so. Part of the the folk I think. Will you be walking the property, Bruce? Yeah, but I probably Yeah, I'll I'll I'll um include your Yeah. Okay. Um, is that all we uh I can run through our last piece of correspondence very quickly.

31 Eldridge. Um, Sue and I went out there last week. Um, uh, the summary is there's debris, yard waste, uh, disturbed soils within the buffer zone. She recommended getting, uh, this cleaned up and stabilized. She said given this time of year, wood chips would be sufficient. two tractors were parked in the lawn. Um, she recommended moving them off. And then the stone filler strip on the edge of the driveway needs to be flattened and regraded um to ensure proper drainage and uh especially during the winter months, no ice buildup where cars may be parked um separate from obviously conservation concerns. But yep. So you tractors here. Um machinery there, there. And this is the area that she was talking about needs to be

Yep. Yeah. Um have we communicate with the um owner? We spoke with we spoke with the owner and we said, you know, do those three things. He has a chance to to come back early December, mid December. Um but yeah, so we'll we'll see. Okay. All right. So So this is this is actually just an FYI for us. There's no action.

Yeah, it was it was correspondence. I we didn't get uh soon I went out last week and I didn't realize it it wasn't brought up to anybody's attention on the commission. So when she sent this today, I figured I'd include it as correspondence. My recollection Mary asked me if I if I wanted places to go out because it was the I was my recollection is they were supposed to plant some trees or anything on site and I was like yeah yeah the uh let me see if we can find it here because they did plant trees they were marked um I'm not sure if they're on this but we did we did find the planted uh marked trees trying to

well I think they need to be added to the ass. Oh, that no that looks like them. Um down just below that we have that plan here. Oh, these. Yeah, looks like that might be them. Well, I think they need to be added to the plan if they're not. Okay. I'd be a little bit surprised if they're not there. What's that, David? Uh, I think they were supposed to plant trees as I recall. Um,

yeah, I think so, too. No, maybe they're calling blueberry, right? Yeah, maybe those are shrubs. I don't even remember. It's like I went there with you and Norm and Bruce and Jace was there. Jace was there. I did that. Yeah. And it was like kind of chaos world there. just like plowed everything down, but but the planting shirt, whatever they are, the planting should be called out on the plan. All right, I will uh I will let Limhood, I believe, was actually the one that put this together.

Okay. Well, I see I see install, plant, and typical. Um, so do we have like a species list anywhere? Um, yeah, I think they were included uh they were included in what Sue and I brought in the uh original I think project narrative. The order of conditions themselves refers to the project narrative. Um, the species list in the project narrative. Um, so I I'll I'll be sure to include those. Reach out to Lim Hood, have him um plot these. Um, but they did they did include a species list. Uh, um, that Sue and I had to had to dig up before we went out there.

Okay. Well, if you could get on that, Evan, be uh, that would appreciate it. Okay. Look at So Ann, I'm just going to leave this um signed uh extension. I'm the owner of teams up here with Alec will be able to grab that tomorrow. I'll make sure him or Mary actually probably him. But okay,

I'll be in I'll be in Monday. Um if if you did want to set something up to meet um that includes you, Rich, if if David wants to meet then. Um but yeah, I'm I'm at home for the next uh two days caring for for uh family. Okay. All right. Well, um I have a motion to I just I just want to quickly report. So, I'm keeping an eye on the Beaver Dam that's closest to the Sergeant Road crossing. Oh,

I' I've noticed that it seems to get breached before, you know, rain is predicted. And I don't know, I I don't I don't know who else besides the railroad could uh be doing it. Um I I have uh the name of a contact for someone at Kiololis, but I'm I want to keep an eye on it uh a little bit longer before I, you know, get in touch with them. Okay. So just to let them know that they they need to be working with us, right? Yeah. Yeah. I don't know what else could be. I don't know who else would care. I mean, there's certainly no houses around, right? Yeah. Well, the Pierce family sort of the response.

Yeah. But they're downstream, so I don't know why they would care. So, okay. Thank you very much, David. Um, can I have a motion to adjurnn? I move to. All in favor? I button 946 and bottom 10.