Metropolitan Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

Okay, I have the time. It's now 2 p.m. I'd like to call the Monday, December 8th, 2025 Boer City Parish Metropolitan Planning Commission meeting to order. Our invocation will be done by Jeff Thigpin and our pledge of allegiance by Chris Turner. Please rise. if you would pray with me. Dear Lord, thank you for this body of uh of citizens that come to do work in this in this city and parish. Lord, just thank you for the uh first responders in Bojer City and Bojer Parish. Uh we uh thank you for all that they do uh for this city, Lord. And we just ask that you would watch over them. We uh pray for our military strong presence here in this that you would uh be with them and guide them Lord. And we just ask that you watch over us in this board and guide us to make decisions that would honor you in Jesus precious name. Amen.

Amen. Please face place face the flag and put your hand over your heart. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Madison, can we have our roll call and our decorum speech? James Fine here. Dave Haden here. Ma'am Donnie McDaniel here. Art Schultz here. Jeff Digpin here. Chris Turner here. Michelle Wallace

here. We have a quorum. In accordance with Louisiana open meetings laws, the Bojer City Parish MPC asked for order and decorum at our meetings. Please silence your cell phones. For anyone who wishes to address the commission on an any item on the agenda, we ask that you come forward, identify yourself for the audio record and sign in. Speakers must address the NPC board at all times. For those that would like to make comments on an item, please limit your comments to three minutes on the particular item that is up for discussion. All other audience members are asked to observe the meeting quietly. If there is a need for audience members to hold a conversation or take a phone call, you are asked to please step out of the meeting.

Thank you, Madison. Um, I need to request a motion to approve the agenda presented. U, Madam Chairman, if I may, um, case PLAT 00187-2025 will need to be tabled until the January 15th meeting. um they are having to completely reddraft the plaque. Okay. All right. I'd like I'd like to make a motion that uh we approve the agenda as written with the exception of item number 6 PLA 187-2025. That item should be moved to a future meeting. Second.

All in favor? Motion carries. All right. Uh Madison, do you mind reading the first item on our agenda? C P L A T45 2025 the application of Philip Coach for Forte and Tablada for William sale requesting a minor plat Harrison Business Park number seven being 0.784 acres more or less located at 4704 Viking Drive Boer City, Louisiana City Council District 5, Police Jistrict All right. Do we have anybody here to present? Okay. If you'll just state your name, uh, address and sign in. Uh, yes. My name is Philip Ko. Uh, 166 Ramsey's Lane, Shreport, Louisiana.

Thank you. I'm William Sale, 900 Fairmont, Shreport. Will y'all just tell me uh a little bit about your case, what you guys are requesting? Okay. Yeah. My client Bill Sale is uh owns a property on Biking Drive. It's uh about.7 acres and he's requesting it be split into uh two plats for the purpose of uh selling one. Okay. Are those particular buildings leased at the present? One building is leased and one is not.

The building is leased. They want to purchase. Are they one of your purchaser or No, the purchaser is not the tenant. It's someone else. Oh, okay. And he would continue the lease, I guess, with who's in there. But I mean, that's insignificant.

Bill, on the on the other properties, you know, along Viking Drive, you know, to the east, um, where there are common driveways for multiple buildings, you know, the the the driveway access is clearly delineated, you know, as is the parking. Um, when we're looking at the aerial photo of of this property, it's hard to figure out how you're going to have, you know, that main uh driveway access. Uh, any required parking. I think there's a truck ramp on one side, you know. Is that for a semi or how, you know? No, it's just a and and how does all that work? So, if I were if I own one side of that, you know,

well, we'll have a common access agreement. that my attorney has drawn up that we'll sign uh when it's split and if we wind up with two buyers. But I guess I would answer your question by saying that it's been there for 21 years and I've owned it for 21 years and I've never had anybody complain about anything and I've never had a problem keeping it leased. Right. But that would be with a single owner. So, I mean, if you have two separate single owners, but single owner, but two different people in the building, different tenants that were in the in the building, but we we were never called upon to

referee any uh arguments or or any any problems. Maybe they just worked it out themselves, but uh if they did, I didn't hear about it. I mean, is it like set up like a condominium regime where all of that common pavement is do the buildings are owned separately, but all of the concrete pavement is dual owned or or common area or

at the present time we my partner and I own all of it. And uh what I hope to do just to facilitate the sale of the buildings is to split it up into two totally separate lots and um where each would have their own but subject to a perpetual access agreement and um pretty well. So the driveway entrance there at Viking that would be common entrance. Yes. Then from there there's a property line down the middle between the two buildings. Yes. on on the new plat there will be I guess I'm still trying to wrap my head around who owns what part of the pavement.

Uh well the person who would own the building to the east would own the east half of it and the other person virtually half is a half and half deal. Do you have a copy of the plat? Yeah and yeah but it doesn't show the property line is it not it's not showing. So the the building I'd say to your right and building to the left. It doesn't really matter where the property line is. They'll own everything on their property and the other guy owns everything on his property. That's correct. And the driveway is the driveway. That's correct. Mhm. It's once again it's a common access agreement. And and you'll have that legally put on the deed, I guess, on each each plat and on the survey.

I'll sign everything. It'll be filed the public record and and uh and everything will be subject to that agreement and that'll be done prior to sale or during the sale or when when is it would be done as soon as possible. Okay. I mean pri prior to any sale, right? I got you. So prior to the sale, you're going to go ahead and legally legally defined on each property. They'll know what they're buying. Gotcha. Have no on the survey. It does notice I mean it does notate that no additional access points will be allowed. survey. U Mr. S back a I guess a couple months ago you met the board of adjustments. Is that right? Yes.

Okay. And in in that some of that paperwork I think it was a declaration of um servitude. One of the paragraphs in there said that in the future owners of the properties can dissolve that agreement regarding the uh uh dual access to the driveway. Do you recall reading that? I do not recall that. No.

Okay. It is in I think we have I have shared that with the board. I'm concerned about that paragraph being in there and we have our attorney here. I I uh I may call upon you here just a second. I'm concerned about signing a declaration of servitude that tells future owners you can dissolve this servitude if you would like when the city has already told the city engineer is already saying this driveway is in shared access in perpetuity. So the city is already saying you must share this

right? But you have an agreement that says you can do away with that. Again, forgive me, but I don't recall that. I glanced over. My attorney is David Cromwell, who probably a lot of you know, and uh he u has been around a long time and pretty well. He's he's JP Morgan's outside attorney for the state of Louisiana and handles. Anyway, do we have that? It's not going to be in this case analysis, but I I can read it for the record if you would like. They do have it. Oh, she got it.

Can you read that for me? Um, Carlotta, let's see. Just Neil, go ahead and can read it. Scroll down. I think it's on the second page. There we go. Right there. Okay. Servitudes may be revoked. Yeah, these servitudes may be revoked, terminated, or modified at any time by consent of the owners of the lots, provided, however, that if the mortgage then exist upon either lot, the revocation, termination, or modification shall not be effective unless the mortgage e agrees in writing to it. So, so yeah, I'm just concerned. I I I agree with you. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Okay.

Yeah. I I I feel just a red flag that it's not I feel better about that now. I just didn't want to cause future problem again. I never honestly never saw it but but it'll go away. But I do see on the survey that you've notated that a shared access agreement perpetuity, no additional access points like it is on the survey which I think is great. Yeah. Okay. Survey is correct. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Survey. Yeah. Okay.

Yeah. And in our discussion, I mean, I don't know that we were trying to get right in the middle of that, but we were also just trying to protect the buyers where they wouldn't be kind of led to believe that they could step out of that at some point because there's already been decision made that there would not be another entrance. Yes, sir. Completely agree. That was that was but that was the kind of the basis for our original discussion before we came in here. And I guess one more question regarding the ramp. If a truck has to back up into that ramp, how do they do that? Uh that there's not a lot of room for an 18-wheeler to be on that property.

I don't know. I' I've seen them do it, but like I said that we did this. It's been in use for 20 years. Yeah. Okay. That may that be the best answer, but it's the only one I have. It's an honest answer. I just didn't want if it if it creates a problem for one of the lots having an 18-wheeler back up on the other one's property. It's kind of I believe that that agreement would address that, would it not? Yes, sir. I would I would think so, Art. I think Yeah. I mean, it would have to back in off of Viking. He can't come in. There's no room to come in. No. Yeah. They So, they wouldn't be on the front of lot. No, one of the lots. Okay.

He had a back in for Viking. I have no further questions. Okay, I'm good. Okay, no other questions from the board. Okay, I'll open it up to public discussion. Okay, doesn't look like we have any public discussion. Um, can I have a motion? Yeah, I'll make a motion we accept C uh platt 145-2025. Second. All in favor? I Any opposed? Anyone like to abstain? Thank you. Motion carries.

Good luck. Thank you, Madison. Um, the next item on our agenda, P-Z17. Tanner Ein with Associates 4913 Shed Road here on behalf of Chad Burgess. If you can give us one second. We got to read it for the record. Sorry about that.

No, you're good. Just make a note. She's trying to get something.

She's trying to get it back to number three. All right, ladies. Are you able to go ahead and read both items? P- Z-179-2025 the application of Tanner Hines Railing Associates for Chad Bergus BMT Investments LLC requesting a zoning amendment for a certain track of land being 0.510 acres more or less from R- A Residential Agriculture to B-3 general business for a self-service ice making and vending machine east on Airline Drive west of Cypress self storage parish Louisiana Police Jury District 5 P-PUD-183-2025 The application of Tanner Hines Railing Associates for Chad Bergus BMT Investments requesting a planned unit development being 0.510 acres more or less for proposed self-service ice making and vending machine east on Airline Drive west of Cipher self storage bojer parish Louisiana please jury district Okay.

Okay. Sorry about that, Tanner. Uh you want to tell us a little bit about what you've got going on? Yeah, so we're just putting in an ice machine uh off of Airline Drive and uh right in front of uh the uh storage uh area, whatever. Uh, and uh, we're going to have a little bit of a driveway so that way they can drive in, pick up ice, drive out, be done. Yeah, I like the way you're doing that. That's good. Is there any particular reason for requesting waiver and landscaping requirements? Um,

and I understand you don't want to block the view of anything from airline, but it could go anywhere on that property in that semicircle.

We state your name, please. Ryan Estraian Associates, 4913 Shed Road. Um, what are y'all proposing? I mean I mean I'm putting in a or Mr. Burgess is putting in a 10-ft wide ice machine and we're going to landscape 162 foot across the frontage. That's I just was I mean I'm not trying to put landscaping in. If it's a requirement then of course we'll do it. I mean, we do have two large trees on the on the site that we're not we're not removing. Um I don't know what the calipers are. Um but I know one of them is probably 18 inch diameter, which may count for um and the other one may be 12 inch diameter, which may count they're they're visible on on the site. Um which may count for the tree the trees. Um,

Ryan, when we were looking at this earlier, you know, you you have your little half circle drive measuring. You see that spot in the front up there? Make a great Why can't you do something right there? I I I can. Okay. I think that's one of the suggestions. What would y'all like? Well, we want fountains and lights and Well, I mean, you you know Well, I just think I think I'm sorry. I don't always speak. No, it's it's whatever the requirements are, Ryan. I mean, you have a couple of trees there and there's some exceptions that can be made there. But if I didn't make exceptions for your neighbor, the Circle K, and I didn't make exceptions for the coastal, then I'm going to make an exception here. I understand. I think there's some go out.

Yeah, but but you do do have some trees on there. So, we can reduce that. We can just depending on the location, but I don't think the ask was to landscape the entire frontage. It was just the location where the ice machine is going to be, which is that south portion of that driveway. South half of the the property. Yes. I don't We'll meet the landscape ordinance. I mean, it's it appears to be about 27 shrubs and three trees is what I'm looking at. But it may not be that much considering that Ryan says that there's already a couple. Well, are you going to allow that to because it is it is back there. It's existing. I believe it's um um is it on the lot? It's on the lot.

If it's in the back of the lot, that's not going to count. Um it needs to be up where the required landscaping buffer is. If it's in that area, we can account for it. But if it's back behind the storage buildings, I can't use that. It's It's right behind where our proposed ice machine is. Okay. And it's between the the road and the storage buildings. Yeah. Yeah. We're we would have to physically go out and look to see where it is in relation to the required landscaping buffer. If it's not within the close proximity, I may or may not be able to use it. So, we can we can work on that with them. Okay. Yeah. And and like I said, we'll do whatever you need to do. Yeah. We don't want to hide your Yes. No, that's not the intent. Understand? Yes. We can cluster them together.

Yes. Yeah. That's Yeah, that's fine. I think we're good. I think with staff on that, Brian, and y'all can be a little bit creative. Sure. You know, I don't know that 27 bushes is the answer. That's That's like we're going to put 27 bushes around. I mean, you got a little small a little 10 foot wide as big as this building. Putting up four trees and 27 bushes. I think if you'll work with staff Yeah. and and use that area in the front. Gotcha. You're good. I think we can do something that looks real nice. How about that fountain? Yeah, you sure? I love that.

Okay, now this this uh we have two items, but the first one is for zoning, right? First one's for zoning. Second one's for the public. Okay, so before we get into that, so I don't have any questions on either case. Yes, I'm good on both cases. I'll open it up for public discussion. Okay, I'll make a motion that we approve the first one, Pzone 179-2025. I'll second. All in favor? I. Any opposed? Anyone want to abstain?

And also make a motion to approve PUD 183-2025. Nothing needs to be said about that. Yes, we need to include that they will meet the landscaping requirements. Yeah, we will need to. We're not waving the landscape requirements, but we will allow the applicant to work with staff on location required landscaping. Okay, I'll second. All in favor?

Any opposed? Any abstensions? We'll need the second. I'm sorry, Chris. Did yours come up? Motions carry. Thanks, Dana. Thank you, Madison. Number five.

C- PL A T- 188-2025 the application of Aiden Metaf Coil Engineering for Walt Big B requesting a preliminary plat WOB subdivision being 2.327 acres more or less Bojer City, Louisiana located immediately south of Zachby's on Benton Road in East Texas Street. City Council District 2, Police Street, District 9. Charlie Coyle with Coyle Engineering, 3925 Benton Road. uh answer any questions that you may have. No questions.

Uh there just some comments from Jim Oay traffic engineer needed to see the order box pickup window and circulation. I don't know Carlott if that was addressed. You know if that was addressed the the engineer for the project who's not us was um supposed to be getting that to Jim. Okay. And we will confirm at the permitting stage as well. I think chicken and donuts go good together. I've got no questions. No questions. No one else. Okay. I'll open it up to public comment. Okay.

I'll move for approval of C Platt 188-2025. I need to make the motion on this one. I motion that we approve it. Okay. you retired cop. I I'll I'll let you do that. That's fine. I'll second it. Just just one question. Um Charlie, do you have any answer about the donation of the property for the bus stop? I would let the owners speak to that.

Did you want Did you want wall Did you want Mr. Bigby to come forward? Yes, please. Hey, Walt, could you come forward just for a moment? Walt Bigby, 2011 Bridge Point Circle, Boer City, Louisiana. Okay. Yes, ma'am.

Yeah. So um there is an existing bus stop right now in that property and we're trying to improve all the bus stops in Bose city be also walkability in the cities for everybody. So uh we were proposing if you could donate some property so we can improve that bus stop that will be the first one that we'll be able to improve and it will be a cover bus posttop with ADA compliance and landscape around. Um if you would I'd like to think about it. I've I've heard about it. Steve and I are talking, you know, what's that going to do to the front of our operation? And at this time, I just can't answer that question. Okay.

Cuz it's dead center. Yeah. Any other questions? That's it. Thank you all. So, we have a motion and a second. Motion and a second. All in favor? Anyone opposed? Anyone abstain? I'll abstain.

All right, Madison number Oh, we've tabled number six, so it'll be number seven. C-PUD-184-20220 5 SC the application of Jonathan Ratliff Railing Associates for Steve Beer requesting approval of a planned unit development being 1.164 acres more or less located west of Barkstdale Boulevard and north of Heritage Missionary Baptist Church for proposed office warehouses. is Bojer City, Louisiana, City Council District 1, Police Jury District 12.

Thanks. Jonathan Ratliff for Alien Associates, 4913 Shed Road, Bojer City, Louisiana. Um, Miss Wallace, you want me to go ahead and bring it in? I want just for a minute. Absolutely. Yes, sir. On the number six, there may be somebody here for that. Are you Are y'all here for that case by chance? You're good. I just We just kind of jumped without asking any public comment on that. Okay. And so I was just making sure that we pick that up later on. So yeah, no problem. Sorry to interrupt.

No, absolutely. No problem. Uh so my developer uh is looking at doing uh an affordable uh pre-engineered metal building shape, full architectural brick all the way up. Um he's looking to create some office storage space affordable for entrepreneurs in South Boer. Um and these are have been wellreceived. He's excited about it. Um, from everything that I know, we've met all of your landscaper requirements. I've got the dumpster in the front so that everything in the back, all of those residential neighbors don't get bothered by trash trucks whenever they come. Uh, we have put low wattage wallpack lights in the front. Uh, we're willing to negotiate anything on the wallpack lights. The last thing we want to do is interfere with light pollution in the back. Um, and I'll also just note, um, we should have plenty parking spots, 32 parking spots. I put more trees in there because landscaping is beautiful. Uh we have a common drive access um for Jay Kowalsski when he sells the other piece of property if he chooses to do so uh to keep that easy for Jim Oliveway to worry about. Um and then we have screening trees in the back and we will be replacing the fence for one of those properties that does not have a fence back there. So um the only thing we ask is that we would be allowed to do the fence as a inind fence with everybody else. Um, I know that there has been some talk about 8 feet versus six feet. I think everything over there is six feet. I I don't It would look kind of weird if it was 8 feet, but obviously if y'all want 8 ft, we'll put an 8 fence up. So,

there's not much of a fence though that you have to put in. It's just a small portion. Yeah, it's like 60 ft of fence. Yeah, we just didn't want to put an 8ft fence for 60 ft and then everybody else has a sixoot fence and it just kind of stick out like a sore thumb. But, you know, if that's something that y'all would like, I mean, yeah, we're not going to worry about two feet of fence. Jonathan, describe the site lighting one more time. So, we just have standard 60W wall packs.

A lot of them come with variable LED wattage now anyway. So, if it was something that was too bright, you could turn it down. We're mount planning to mount them at 11 ft. So, you'd only have about 22 feet of radius. So, it wouldn't even go to the parking spots. Really, just enough to light up that front door when people come out. So that you know it's the safety aspect but not so much not like a Walmart overhead giant pole light that illuminates you know all the way to shreport. So be dust the height of that wallpack. Was that our what's the height of the wall pack? 11 ft. 11 ft. Dust to dawn I guess on them or switch. I I would I would anticipate a switch. So probably six o'clock somewhere around there. But

he covered a lot of ground. Yeah, I try to make the site plan easy. You know, I put everything y'all want on there in the front. So, yeah, they don't have any questions for you, Jonathan. Wonderful. That's what I love to hear. Oh, go ahead. Sorry, Carla. I will say I know just just to note on here, we did have a sign that, but we are not going to put that sign there. Um, so he's not going to put a sign, so nothing to worry about there. I know that you're going to be asked about signage easement. So maybe in the future at the front of that common access where both parties can share one unified sign, but that's a later problem. All right. And just one other comment. I know you stated that you plan to just infill on that one lot that doesn't have a fence. Has that been discussed with the property owner?

It has not been discussed with the property owner, but I know that since the UDC requires screening and all that stuff that we were already planning on building that fence for them at our cost. So, uh, we haven't discussed that with them yet, but um, I don't imagine anybody would hate offense. Just for my so that I understand, does that 60 ft fence go on his property?

Technically, it can go anywhere. It's supposed to go on their property and that's was one of the comments that the staff would have because we have a lot of um, natural disasters where fences go down and then it's going to be whose responsibility is it to replace that fence? Is it the homeowners or would it be the commercial operator? But I just wanted to clarify that they're always responsible to have a fence up regardless of what happens on the residential site. Okay.

I would uh for that I would say our anticipation would be to put it on their property will pay to put it up. But if you look at the way the property line shakeout if we were to build it on our side it would it wouldn't do anything. It would just be a random screening fence in a ditch. So it'd be better because it looks like from the way we surveyed it there is an offset before you get to some of their fences. So,

but I guess from an enforcement standpoint, and I'll just state it again. So, if somebody's missing pickets, it becomes an enforcement issue as to who do I go after? Do I go after the property owner or do I go after the commercial business that's required to have the fence? That's the issue we're going to have at such time that something happens with the fence. They're always required to comp to have a compatibility buffer. But if one of the residents decides that they don't want a fence, then he's got to put There you go. What do I do there? If the owner is missing pickets, but what if the owner doesn't want to put There you go. That's the problem that I'm going to have. But what if he decides he wants to have chain link fence? They're still required to have the fence there. So, it becomes an enforcement issue if they don't put up a fence. Okay.

So, are you saying it's better for them to have it on their property? It is better for them to have they have all the control. There you go. Yeah. This situation is just weird because there is a pretty sizable ditch that runs on the back side of the property. So, you know, well, we we can figure that out, Carla. Figure out the best way to do that, but just trying to make it contiguous for everybody all the way across. Absolutely. Oh, yeah. Yes. We have any other questions, comments? Yeah. Open it up to the public for any questions or comments. If you'll just come forward and state your name and address and sign in for us.

My name is Ernie Negretti. I live at 6313 Annadale. And uh my question was uh is this going to be the lighting? Is that could be a 247 lighting back there? Lighting? Uhuh. The lighting on the building itself? No sir. He um said that you can come in. Yeah. So the lighting for us, no lighting on the side here, just so you can see. This is all it'll go out to about 22 feet. So it won't come anywhere close to any residents. These are going to be really low wattage really low wattage LEDs. So

see my main question is that backs up right to my property and since their property abuts our fence and then the lighting or the your concrete for the driveway comes within 25 ft of our fans. Correct. Uh the concrete will be 25 ft. The building will be more than 25 ft. So I understand that. Right. So are you going to be crossing the ditch? No, we're not crossing the ditch. And I Jonathan, are are there any pole lights or is all So all the Okay, that's my concern. There's no pole lights going to be up there facing

couldn't be facing out anyways. We don't want any lights going to the left. We don't want anything going to the right. This is just for basically to eliminate the door so that people can get out of there. I believe um and you can correct me if I'm wrong that all the lighting is like under the canopy or over the doors. It's not not any pole lighting in the parking lot. You have it under a canopy. Yeah. There. So uh I saw the one for the uh entrance. Absolutely. So that's the only lighting you have is under the entrance. Yeah. It's just going to be right here for the wallpack lights just so that they can illuminate the door. Okay. Yeah. All right. Another concern was uh the size of the calipers on those six trees that you have I think along the backside that actually come right through our property there. Yeah,

it's only a 3-in calipers. Uh those are what by the UDC requirements. Uh those are going to be your 10 to 12 foot height screening either evergreen trees or holly some of that species. So that's that's by the UDC. Okay. Yeah, that that wasn't my choice. That was okay. Now you get mad. Since we're going to add Since you're going to add all this concrete and you have a detention swell, not a pond there. It's a It's a It's three and a half ft. It's pretty significant. Yeah. It's a three and a half ft deep. Yeah. Okay. And it has a detention on the end pipe. Yeah. I have more detention than is required. Overflow pipe.

Yes. Absolutely. Okay. My my question is once again that ditch does not belong to I understand nobody neither parish city nobody owns that ditch the big ditch that that starts or ends or starts at the let's say the northern end of the property from Riverbend south to the other exit in which is Parish. I think Parish owns up to the uh on the north side, skips the Anaddale section, then picks up again on the southern end of the Anaddale subdivision. And my question is, who's going to be responsible for the growth? Since the property owners are responsible for the growth of that large ditch, that's your property also.

Yeah. Correct. My owner will take care of anything within his property. Absolutely. Okay. Now, that don't answer the question. business. The question is since his property owner would take care of the ditch, the other businesses along that I think you have a church, right? You have a church and then I think you have a uh another business further up that I'm sure. Yeah.

Nobody takes care of those. When we bought this piece of property and this home and everything, we had to chase off rodents and all kinds of different animals just to cut the grass in the backyard. Now, is it feasible, and I don't know if it fall in your jurisdiction to bring it up, somebody's got to incorporate that whole ditch. And it's a it's a puzzlement to me why it was skipped. That section was skipped but the parish on top and bottom but not in between. Can anybody answer that question? Why or could we get some remedies to it or some answers?

Issue. It would sound like it but I don't uh that's really not our circle. I mean understand your concern. I I really probably is not your concern but it' be is it somewhere that maybe you could suggest or ask about it because if something floods who am I going to hold responsible right understand this property owner you need to go police somebody else property owner don't take care of the ground I think Mr. Fine has an answer for you. I think that that seems to me that needs to be addressed at the police jury. Police jury. Yes, sir. If if we could get your information, sir, um I would like to bring this up to our engineering department, your comments today.

Um so, if I could get your information, I would like to bring that up to them so that we can figure out what what needs to happen there. Yeah. because the way I I looked it up and everything else and nobody owns that uh and it's a puzzlement to me why nobody took took that up. I I don't um somebody owns it. Yeah, somebody owns it. I mean, it's somebody's responsibility, but I mean, yeah, the levy board or the parish or somebody the levy board. No, you know, or the city. Nobody claims it, right? No. And it may be a homeowner. So that's what I'm concerned with that we're adding more water

become a waterershed with all the concrete that's going to be poured over here and we got a detention pond or detention swell that's holding the water and releasing the water. Uh I think hopefully everybody sees my point. My my worry about getting flooded out there if we have a a huge storm. Jonathan, in your survey, did you show that's not an that drainage area is not in any sort of public easement?

Uh, so in our survey, I didn't pick that up in this. Um, but I have studied this channel, not just for this, but for the preserve. Um, so a couple points I can make on that. Um, we do have a detention pond. Um, right, we have a compensatory cut that is more than what we're taking up with the concrete space. We're reducing overall flow by a couple of cubic feet per second coming out of there. Um so we have done everything in our ability to reduce any impact reduce or make better the impact we have on that channel. Um I know that this little area can be a little fickle. Um it it kind of dog legs around and goes through some subdivision culverts and things like that. So I'm well aware of it. Um but again we have taken more dirt out of our site than what we're putting on there. Oh, I'm comfortable with what you're

Yeah. So to to that point, I didn't know. Yeah. I didn't know if you did not pull up. We did not. No, we we surveyed the property line. Um but I didn't go through like full alts to see every little ement that was in there. We have the utility easements in the front. I didn't see anything. So, but there's got to be a maintenance some sort of maintenance ement for that. It's a study channel. Like there's somebody's supposed to maintain it. Okay. Do they maintain it? Yeah. That's a tail. Somebody got to maintain. So, I mean, if it grows again, if it goes up 12 in, you know, uh, do we call code enforcement to come out and tell somebody you need to cut this grass or dig the ditches out or public works or what, you know, but they don't own it. That's the problem.

Somebody can have access to clean it. Even if they don't own it, there there's got to be some sort of maintenance agreement or easement in place on this. It's just I think it's a maybe not that I've found with engineering so far. I think Carlaua, you're Carlotta, you're Miss Carla, you're going to look into this, right? Yes, we're gonna Yeah, I think that's all we can do for you today really is get your information and see if we can track it down. I'll put my address here. Have to research and figure that out. I wish we could give you a solution right now, but I don't think there is one. Not not in this room. Not in this room. Okay.

All righty. I think that's all I'm concerned with right now. U I could think of. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. We understand your concern. All right. Oh, we got one more question. One more. Okay. If you'll just state your name and address and sign in for me. Judy Negrati, 6313 Annadel Drive, Boer City. He missed two things.

Okay. uh the trees uh in the back. According to his his plans, he plans to put three caliber crepe myrtles. And my question is as a crepe myrtle is not a really good buffer if you stop and think about it. And our fence is only six feet high. So, if he could put something more substantial uh either up close to his property or back to our fence, one of the two. But the um but like I say, a 3-in caliber crepe myrtle crepe myrtle is a decorative thing. It's not a it's not a sound barrier or a buffer. And let's see. Uh let me think what else about the lights. Uh this it shows it was 11 ft high. Is there any way that it could go like to the door instead of putting it up so high on the building is to bring those lights down to where they would be more in line with a 7 foot door 8ft entrance door if that's what he's trying to do. Unless he's trying to light the entire parking lot going that way. I don't know how many feet that is. I don't think Yeah, I don't believe it's lighting the parking lot. It's just lighting.

It's just a small semicircle area right in front of the the door. Um, so it's not going beyond that. The lights not going beyond that level to give you a dimension. It almost be from where we're sitting to those chairs. Okay. He it did didn't say specific. It said the lumens were variable. Although a 60 watt I understand is not very many much wattage. Yeah, absolutely. That's that's where the light will go. That's the whole radius of the light. That's at 11, by the way. So, okay. Yeah. So, we're we're just a little So, people don't trip when they're coming out of the doors and stuff like that. Okay. Because I was thinking if it's up at 11, you know, the the lumens would go out further. Oh, absolutely. But I did notice it was 60 watts, so I knew it wasn't like a tremendous amount. You know,

and and these are evergreens, by the way. These are not crate myrtles, okay? They're 10 to 12 feet. Okay. So, they won't lose their leaves. What about the branch when you put them up? They're going to be flat tall, but what's going to be the width on them? And how many you only going to put? Six, right? Yeah, we are going to put we're putting the required amount by the UDC to put in there. Uh my property owner will be taking care of his trees on this property. So, but we actually talked about that this morning. I was like, we can't have tree limbs growing up into people's yards. So,

well, it's not so much that is I would like a more of a a canopy type thing rather than just uh uh the crepe myrtle or even like a holly, something with thicker limbs. Yeah, we're we're we're willing to be negotiable on any tree species. Um, if you have a request, I would I would ask that you give that to Carlaua and then we can run it through the channel. There there is a shrub What was that shrub? Do you remember? I'll get with her about it. There's a shrub that you can put in. It grows faster and it's thicker and you can't see through it. Yes, ma'am. That's great. And that that itself would, you know, block the block the traffic. Absolutely. Thank you so much for that. I think that's it, y'all. Ma'am, can you sign in, please? I need to sign. Yes, ma'am.

Believe any more public comment? Um, thank you. Does anybody else have any other questions? question. So, just for clarity, the owner is agreeable or amanable to changing the type of tree. Yes. Yes. Okay. It still has to be an evergreen and it still has to be 10 to 12 feet tall. But absolutely. I mean, within reason. I mean, if it's a if it's a, you know, a $9,000 African That's what we have. We're to that. I need I need clarity on that.

I can't leave that open. So, yeah. We want something that'll grow here, too. So, if it is a tree that's like non-native, won't grow very well, I don't I don't know if that'd be great for everybody, but Yeah. Is that something you review at permit or will you review? I'm just saying I will review anything, but if he's not agreeable to the type of tree that she's stating, we we'll be back here in a month. I think it's negotiation. I I don't know what type of tree it is. That's what I'm saying. So, yeah. I mean, I I don't I can't outright blanket for my developer that I'm agreeing to a tree today, but if we can put it in the motion, we should just stick with the what's in the ordinance. And Carlott, yeah,

it's more like it's more like a bush, more like a like a barrier type of tree. It's it's not no nothingificance. There's not anything we would require. Okay. But I don't Excuse me. Sounds to me like you're talking about a rep. Even a tree would just want to make sure it falls. Get it doesn't get gigantically tall but stays thick. Pair of trees. We've got those throughout our neighborhood. I have a motion second. But they just have to be the owner has to be available to changing that. So So right now we're just approving what's in the ordinance. Is that correct?

That's correct. Okay. Okay. I do need a resolution on the fence. Again, if somebody takes their fence down, what do I do? The enforcement side is what I'm concerned about. owners that don't have a fence. There is a one property owner that doesn't have a fence there that they're going to discuss with putting up a fence, but what if they're not agreeable to putting it up and or what if somebody fence goes down? Who's responsible for putting it back up? It's just not very clear. I The simplest would be to make this applicant

responsible for any fencing fence up there in front of any other fence. Say it again. Yeah, I think there's just a question about where to put the fence and the and if it was on his property, he would have complete control, but if you're putting the fence on the homeowner's property in the back, they don't have control over the damage. So, Miss Carlotta, if a property owner decided to take their fence down, you want to make sure that this gentleman understands his client's business is responsible for a fence. So if a fence comes down, yeah,

Dave, I hear you. Yeah, it's just a tough one because if we put a fence on our property line, then you're just going to have a segment of fence and it's going to stop. And I see what you're saying, Carlotta. I completely agree with you. I just I think in terms of what is the neighborhood right there, I I feel like it would almost be more of a sore thumb that we've got this random segment fence like an oil pad site, you know, and then we pick up a fence again. So, I mean, I Well, say that another let's think ahead a little bit. Another business comes in next door at some point. What is going and and what's what's going to be the they're going to be required to put up a fence right behind their on their property line right

property. It it doesn't have to be on the property line. It can be within that 25 foot buffer as long as they meet the requirements. Yeah. I don't know. That's Jeff. Let's let's say this. Let's say one of the property owners fence is so dilapidated they just take their fence down. There you go. This gentleman's client is responsible to have a fence up per the UDC. They are. But what if the homeowner doesn't want a fence? I deal with this every day. But let me ask you this. If he puts his fence on his property line, then it doesn't matter what they want. That's right. That's that's what I'm saying. I mean, that that's going to end up being the case here is that I'm going to end up putting it on my fence because I don't want to take future liability.

I would go by our code, our ordinance, and all that. He's required to put a fence up on his property line. And so, if we pass it like that, then he is required to put a fence up on his property line. We're It's done. Correct. Yeah, I think so. I think that's pretty simple there. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I just I think trying to do all this other getting complicated, but if if he says he's going to put his fence up on his property line and and that makes it consistent for Yeah. makes it consistent and look good for everybody.

Let me let me let me throw one one final wrench in here. Uh we were going to put that owner's fence up for them, but our property line extends beyond into another person. So Carla, by that are you saying I've got to now put a fence along that entire property line on the back? It doesn't have to be I'm saying it doesn't have to be on the property line. It just has to be within that 25 ft compatibility buffer. Yeah, but I'm saying the total cover. We were talking Yeah, we were talking about 60 ft. Now we're talking about 178. But that's the that's always been the obligation. Okay. Okay. Solves a lot of the issues if we just

Yeah. It just quickly quickly went from an act of generosity to, you know, now impeding a ditch. And that's what I worry about. I don't worry about the fence. I worry about the fact that we've got a ditch and residents that live right there. And if we set a precedent along this ditch that I've got to put a fence in that ditch line, that's a problem hydraulically for the people that live there. Yeah. And so this being in a flood zone area, I worry about the idea that we're agreeing to the UDC here outright. I understand we have to follow the guidelines of which we've tried to do here, but it's one of those like caveat situations where I also don't want to make it worse for the residents that live right there too. Yeah.

No, I wouldn't I wouldn't think in the ditch, but on the uh up side of the ditch toward the majority of your property. That's the problem. That's where our property line when we had it surveyed that high bank of that ditch extends beyond our property line. So, if we run it right along our property line, we're going to be halfway on the high bank, halfway in the slope of that ditch. We can move it up and have a fence and not move it closer to your building. Yeah. What about right next to the the concrete to the parking in the building?

We could do that. It's, you know, it's just then running the same situation with the evergreens right there. We're amenable to whatever, you know, this body finds to be helpful to everybody, but uh we don't mind putting a fence right there. I mean, we're going to have concrete there, but you know, in terms of now we're talking ditch maintenance, too. So, we've got a full screening fence up along our concrete. How is my property owner now going to get back there without having some crazy gate? I don't care for that because then these people are going to lose sight of the ditch and affect these other people. Yeah. That's opening up. Yeah. I work for my developer. I want to keep these people safe, too. So, that's the that's the most important thing. And at the same time, we want to be able to enforce the regulations and protect the people that live back there.

Yeah, this is a I don't know the answer to that, right? The purpose of the fence is to attempt to abate the nuisance of noise, light, any other pollution that may happen. That is the purpose of the fence. That's it. to try to establish some sort of compatibility between the neighborhood that's existing that is there that has issues and concerns about light and other nuisance issues and the new business that's coming in that we want to welcome to our community of course but we have to find a happy medium there. Why don't we just require it to be on the on the applicant side of the high bank of the ditch? I believe that's fair. Yeah. Yeah.

Do you have enough room to run it along that ditch on your side of the ditch? Yeah, we can do it. Yeah, we can run it. Uh we just also, like I said, we wanted to be able to take care of our trees and stuff over there, too. And if we run a 8ft screening fence all the way across that concrete line, that's fine. But then it's a nuisance on our side to help maintain the ditch, which we also want to do. And so that that was my only caveat on that. I don't mind putting the fence there at all. No, absolutely. Yeah. We wanted to help the neighbor and build them a fence, but now they're not going to get a fence. We're going to build our fence on our side and we're going to screen our stuff, and they're not going to have their fence. So, well, that's their business. They want Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. 100% get it. Yeah.

Carla, so we're talking about a fence, then the ditch, and then the other folks fence. Now I'm concerned about kids getting in between there and no one can see what kids are doing. Go ahead, Mr. Estus. He'll be fine. Put a six foot fence up along that thing and we'll fix them if they go down. It's his respons. That seems to be the best play here. Making this more difficult than Yeah, I think we're getting into dangerous territory here of that way with the enforcement portion of it because Yeah, if a fence goes down, then who am I? Who do I go after if it goes down? We'll run to Lowe's and we'll grab some. I've got a question. I think we're making this more difficult than it needs to be.

I agree. Build a fence on your side of the property, not in the ditch along your side. And then you're responsible for maintaining it. And I think that answers everybody's questions. I agree. Well, and it would be helpful once we figure out what's going on with the dention, who needs to maintain it. If there are no encroachments property, he's got to maintain it. Yeah. Yeah. If there are no encroachments, that helps. And if you need a gate in it to be able to get through it to on the other side to your property line, then that would be Yeah, we'll just run it on our property line. Yep. No problem. It'll just be kind of a weird situation, but that's cool. Have a motion.

Make a motion that we accept uh C Hud 184 2025 SC. I'll second it. You want to add the part about the fence? I don't think we need to. I think the code speaks for itself. Like you said, making it complicated. Yeah. Okay. We got a motion, a second. All in favor? I um any opposed? Anyone like to abstain? Motion carries.

Madison, it looks like we have one preliminary hearing. P- Z-180-2025 The application of Chris Meyers Cool Engineering for John Vice II requesting a zoning amendment to change the zoning classification of a certain tract of land being 9.598 acres more or less from R- A residential agriculture to B-3 general business located in section 25 Township 19 North Range 13 West Fosure City, Louisiana for an office, warehouse, and retail space police jury district 5.

Charlie Coyle with Coil Engineering to answer any questions you may have.

No questions. Okay. All right. This is just zoning. Just zoning. Yes. Okay. I have a motion. Uh, make a motion that we move Pzone 180- 2025 to public hearing. Second. All in favor? I. Any opposed? Anyone like to abstain?

I need to get an approval. Thank you so much. The motion carries. I'm sorry. Um, I need to get an approval for the November the 10th, 2025 minutes. So moved. Second.

All in favor? Yeah. All in favor? Yeah. Any opposed? Okay. Motion carries. Okay. That brings us to old and new business. All right, we need a motion and a second to approve the 2026 meeting dates. I will like to state that for the first half of the year, the city council chambers will be under construction and we will meet in the courtroom in Boer City. Um, but it also requires us to move our meetings to a Thursday. Um, so the first half of the year the meetings are set for a Thursday. Question.

Yes. Uh normally when court is in session, we cannot bring our phones in. Correct. When NPC is using it, can we bring We can bring our phones in. No court will be taking place on those days. Yes, that's a good question. Let me think of that. Okay. Have a motion. I'd make a motion that we uh approve the 2026 MPC meeting dates. Second. All in favor? I opposed. Anyone would like to abstain? Motion carries. Right. We need to appoint a chairman for 2026.

Volunteers. Don't all speak at once. So for the chairman, yes. Make a motion that we uh I'd like to nominate Jeff Bigp. Second. All in favor? I I did. Did you abstain? I'm not voting on that. And we need advice, right? I recommend we appoint Chris Turner as vice chairman for 2026. Excellent choice. Second. All in favor? Hi. Hi. Hi.

Congratulations. He gets a pay raise, everyone. Jeff, Chris Turner, congratulations. 2026 is your year.

And next up on the agenda, we have Parkdale Redevelopment District Committee update. Um we met um last month and we discussed a couple of items um regarding trees that were installed on Shady Grove that have arbitrarily been with removed and so but because they were required to be installed we have to reinstall them. Um so we're looking at um arborists to figure out who we can use to get those reinstalled. But um that's all that was discussed at the committee meeting and we'll meet again in July of 2026. And the new master plan contract you said is in the works.

Yes. Uh we received a draft contract today. Uh we will be reviewing that with our attorney Neil Irwin with the city uh Bojer City and the Bojer Parish Police Jury so that we can possibly kickstart um that review in February. Cool. All right. That's all I have to Okay, then I guess we will adjourn at 302. Oh, I'm sorry. Okay. Okay. Oh, after we journ. Okay.

Did y'all want to trust but verify in terms of Bill Sales statement that he was going to remove that provision that allowed the the the eraser of the servitude. I just thought y'all might want to have a trust but verify through the staff to say you've got to see that. A good idea. Yeah, you're you're correct. I didn't want to get in your business, but it just we didn't didn't want that to go forward to the city council until uh that that document. Of course, I I wanted the document filed, but it can't be filed until after it's sold. Well, he um we can require that he have that documentation before we sign off on the plaque.

Okay, we can do that. Yeah, thank you all for letting me raise that. Yeah, but but you've mentioned that before that trust and verify and you're right that would the right move. Okay. Thank you very Yeah, we did it a few times in the last 25 years.