Town Council - Regular Meeting

So, we'll go ahead and call the meeting to order, and Pam, will you please call the roll?

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And further recording today is Tuesday, May 12th, this is our town council meeting. We had a work session earlier on council legal training. Now we're going to go ahead and move to item two, which is the consent agenda. Item 2A, minutes of April 28, 2026. Item 2B, resolution number 22, the years of 2026. Resolution of the Town Council of LaSalle, Colorado, approving the agreement for professional services for the bombing group, LLC, for summer youth day camps. Item 2C, continuing to May 26, 2026, public hearing, 555, LaSalle Avenue, adult and application for special review P&D amendments and associated development review action commercial storage units, and 47 residential units. Anyone would like to remove any of those from the consent agenda, please say so, otherwise I would encourage a motion to approve the consent agenda item as presented.

Mayor, I move that the town council approve the consent agenda item as presented. Second.

It's been moved and seconded. All those in favor, please signify by saying aye. Aye. Next up, we have our call from the public, item number three. for those here in the room. Just a quick comment on the ground rules. Limit your comments to three minutes and address your comments directly to me. Make sure you identify yourself by name and address and sign it in the back of the room with your name and address. Please try to be courteous, civil constructive, and town council will make no decision nor take action except to direct the town manager. And I'm gonna go ahead and get this going. If anyone would like to come up, come out up to the podium.

Hi, my name is Maggie Cromer, and I live at Riverwalk. And I'm here to ask about Ordinance Number 9.

And I guess my first question is, why do we need permission from the town to put a date up on private property?

So this isn't really a community session, first. I would save your testimony for that public hearing, because it has a public hearing as well. So that way it's on the record for that specific public hearing.

And this would be later today or at a later date?

It's item 70 on the agenda there. So it's later this evening? It's later this evening, yes. Okay, thank you. Yes. I should have added, any public hearings that we have tonight, If you want to speak on behalf or speak for those topics, I encourage you to wait for those so your comments can be directed to those.

Good evening. Hi. It's me again. I sent you all my heartfelt safety pleas, and I want to thank you for your patience with me. Any consideration or help that you can give would be greatly appreciated. I'm exhausting every avenue before I must make some really hard decisions with really big consequences lasting months. And lastly, I will always speak up for the children and their well-being. Thank you for your time. If you have any questions, I know you can't do it now.

I'm available. We got your attachments you sent, too.

Thank you.

All right, take care. Anyone else? If you would like to come up to make public comments, please do so. All right, well, I will move on then to the higher floor, which is Mayor and Council Reports and Comments. So the floor is open, as are the fellow councillors.

I wanted to say thank you to Gasol PD, because there were two, in Public Works, there were two gigantic rocks that fell down on two rivers. They were there super quick, helped guide traffic around. Everyone was safe. And I also wanted to thank Gloria and James and Angela and other folks for helping me find some housing and give me options and make sure that I can stay here and stay in somewhere affordable. So it takes a village to do that, so thank you for being my village.

Anyone else?

I wanted to say that LaSalle Elementary is having a coffee chat at Oakley Park this weekend, Saturday, May 16th, from 10 a.m. to noon. So if you are a prospective student, maybe you have an evening kindergartener, or if we're just interested to learn more about elementary. It's going to be a great time, but we have parents there, also administrators, teachers, so it's going to be a nice community event and a good time to learn more about our local elementary school.

Thanks. I would just mention, I went to the 3-Dot Water and Power Corridor. We put on a water deck after the meeting. This last week, it was about five hours of bad news.

With the one, I think, good point being that if we all educate ourselves and work together, and it rains a little bit, there's a chance that things won't be as bad as they can.

And so I think one of my takeaways from that is water quality is very complicated. Water usage is very complicated. So rather than spending so much time thinking about other people are using water, I think it's everybody's responsibility to think about how we can use less water. their smoking was dialed back. I think it's something that we all need to do.

If I can add, that I attended that as well, and I thought it was really well done, fascinating, I could really bring it out. But yeah, just the explanations of the way that they're measuring snowpack now. The first presenter, I can't think of his name. Thank you. Was comparing our snowpack to a reservoir and saying, you know, if we were in a location that stored water in a reservoir, we'd know exactly how much water we have. And so they have these new tools, and it's just really fascinating. And I agree, yeah, we all need to be really aware of our water usage this year, for sure.

The good news is we've had a pretty good May so far, and I haven't turned on my water, but the grass season does, and it's a good sign to know that. And so far, hopefully, we're going to get some more rain, and we'll make good decisions.

And they also talked about the aquatic nuisance species. And yeah, ever vigilant.

I also just want to mention, I did happen to go to a little experiment last weekend. It was at the Salt Connect Experiment.

It was a standing service. I used the Salt Connect right there. I thought it was an amazing event.

I did attend the Economic Senate last Thursday in Silverthorne, Northwest Cod. It was interesting across the board. I did leave early in the afternoon. We were going to do an exercise with AI. My mind went down a lot, but I didn't get back here anyway. But the first report was about the population and what's happening with the aging population, which I guess we'll look at later on, especially in Colorado. And also the demographic tied to that was fertility and the number of children. And it really represents kind of a challenge to the state of Colorado for a future reporting base, especially in the professional categories and things like that. was a report from the Insight Collective that talked about the shift in how most Coloradans, apparently in most small towns, feel about tourism. I'll just read a couple things that are behind these main themes. The community is improving physically, but not necessarily becoming more liberal. The quality of life is not being experienced equally. Tourism is an amplifier of existing pressures. indicate that the quality of life is declining and are much more likely to describe the quality of life through the lens of their personal stream, not community investment. Less likely to acknowledge balance among new amenities infrastructure, and services. Creating housing is a critical issue. So I think the direction, for me personally, that the town's taking to improve our services at a local level, a fundamental level, will help our community have a quality of life that's sustainable and that people can still count on, a small town sort of feel for themselves. The total data was collected over, I think, 3,000, So it's a pretty broad mainstream survey, and a lot of it involved towns that are adjacent to coral source. So a lot of common themes came out of those towns, similar to what you hear here in the Waterford Valley. So that was a very good opportunity to learn more about what's going on across the board here as it relates to tourism and the economy of tourism. Thanks for sitting with me. Nice room.

Thanks, Rick. Just a couple quick comments for those who are watching online. Apologies, we had some technical difficulties, but it looks like the feed is back up now. Thanks to Grassroots for that. Earlier this month, Lori and I attended the Blue County Mayor's Roundtable over at Eagle. Had a chance to discuss trade notes with other leaders from that side of the county on wildfire, water, regional housing, and no surprise about the same challenges over there as we're having here. But it was a good discussion. And then I'd also like to give a thank you to Missalt PD and Nino Santiago in particular. I saw at the Joyous Music, which is last Friday, the Missalt fans put that on every year as kind of a Grand concert for all the ages and types of ensembles they have. Plus, it's their fundraiser for the Brewsters. It went really well, so I appreciate the support. And that is it, I believe, for mayor and council reports and comments. Next up, we'll move to item five, which is manager's reports.

Awesome, thank you. So we do have our Public Works Police Department survey is out live, so our public service facility. We are gathering information from our community right now, so if you would like to take the survey, you can go to letstalkwithsalt.net and let us know how you're feeling about our new public service facility that we are proposing. Also, right now, we have another application to the Eagle County Good Deeds Program in the works, and I wanted to kind of gauge the council's appetite to bring that forward or not. I'm not sure what the protocol has been, and I know this is a new program, so I kind of wanted to chat with you all. We did spend down the last one, but I was approached by Eagle that there is another applicant.

Are you looking for direction?

Yeah, I'm looking for direction to either find funding or tell them that we're doing this one this year.

Let's do the analysis and kind of get that. See what that looks like. Okay.

Okay, we'll bring that before you all in the next meeting then. And then you all had directed me on the Homestead Drive parking discussion, and that's scheduled for the next meeting. So we're putting together a data for that. Angela and I met with the elementary school leadership team last week regarding their efforts in recruitment and retention of students. So we will be providing them booth space for a good school at our Sunday markets and concerts. so they can recruit and retain students. And they'll also be doing a presentation to you all. And then, yes, the good news is that we have expanded our Basalt Connect service. We'll now be servicing Crown Mountain, Summit Vista, and Emma. And we started last weekend as a soft roll-up, mostly because we were able to finalize everything on Friday. And so we'll be doing a much larger education campaign around our new service. But this is within our current contract, so there's no additional cost to the town. right now, and the catch is that if you are going to Crown Mountain, Summit, Vista, or Emma, you need to either start at a transit or end at a transit stop, unless you're going to City Market. So the reason for that is that we are funded through RAFTA, 40% of our current cost for the Salt Connect is funded through RAFTA. and it's based on connecting those stops to a transit stop. So expanding our area has the potential to potentially dilute those numbers, and that's why we put this caveat in there, so that we would have it either start or end at a transit stop, so we don't compromise our funding.

I appreciate, too, the... Well, obviously the whole effort to get this figured out, that was really, really great. I know that there's been a lot of demand, especially as this is supposed to be a last-mile solution to kind of the backwater mess transit fundamentally. So I think those caveats were fine. But I think the car office in the market was great, too. Yeah. That's one of the best use cases for the Salt Connect is, you know, connecting with those who can't get to the grocery store. So that's a good question.

Yeah, so we'll be evaluating that to make sure it's not diluting our numbers. But I also want to plug that the Salt Connect does allow good dogs on their transit buses. So as long as they are good, you can go take them to a town mountain and walk them around. Those be anxious. Oh, those are not a lot. And that's all I have for my manager's report.

Thank you very much. All right, next up we have item six, presentations. And our first one is item six, a swearing in of new council member, Elise Hall. Is that Pam, Elise?

Okay. I see. Raise your right hand. I, Elise Hoddle, do affirm that I will support the Constitution of the United States, the Constitution of the State of Colorado, the Constitution of the State of Colorado, and the laws of the State of Colorado, and the laws of the State of Colorado, and of the town of the South, and of the town of the South, and will faithfully perform the duties, and will faithfully perform the duties of the office of the South Town Council, upon which I am about to enter. Upon which I am about to enter. To the best of my ability. To the best of my ability. Excellent. Welcome back.

Thank you. Welcome back to the room.

Thank you. All right. Next up, we have item 60, which is our chamber presentation on one for the day effort.

So I'm going to FaceTime her. Yeah. But it was also the day that my phone decided to break, and I am only working through Wacom. So, it's been great.

Do you want me to call her? Sorry. If you want a phone that you can use daily, you can also use my phone if you want. Let's see. I think she's on do not disturb.

Can you deliver it quietly? Like, hey. We actually probably couldn't get a chat in there.

Can you hear me in the council chambers?

Yes, perfect. Alright, we'll do that. I can barely hear you. But you won't hear me. I wonder if I have made myself hear.

Amy, can you hear Chris?

Amy, can you hear me right now? I think she can hear you.

Amy, can you still hear Chris? Can you hear me? Yeah, we can hear you. Can you hear Chris?

That's the problem. None of the audio in this room is working.

So maybe turn down the TV and let's get her on the phone. Hi. We'll have you cure me for this and then is that going to be enough for you to cure me or not?

I can barely hear you but I'll just hold it up to my ear. With your headphones on this one so you can hear me. Maybe we'll call you from that conference.

If this works, we should do that.

That's good.

Is there any remote participation for the next presentation? Okay, let's do that. So, I don't know if anybody can hear me outside the room or not, but we're going to move item 6C, Aging Initiatives in the Valley, with Dr. Chad Fitzpatrick. Fitzworks, Pink County, and Carly Wright. And in Pink County, we're gonna do that now, and then we're going to, so you guys can come up to the desk up here, and then we're going to get a phone set up so we can do a G-Word presentation on Rupert data afterwards. for your patience, I know we're on the line here.

Oh, you're great, thanks for having us.

Oh, okay, so I guess I'm first.

We've been just doing some other stuff.

Yes, sure. So thanks for having us. My name is Dr. Chad Petters. I'm the manager of Pickle County Senior Services. So I oversee the senior center up in Aspen. I also oversee adult protection services and vetting services for Pickle County.

I'm Carly Rietman, I'm the Healthy Aging Manager for Eagle County Public Health. We have a really vibrant senior program over here in El Jebel. Mandy DiCamillo is our leader of all of our senior programs over here. So we just got through our newest aging well plan for Eagle County which does include all of our friends over here in the Roaring to present to you guys a little bit about our newest plan called our Aging Well Roadmap, so thank you.

And Eagle and Picken and Carly and I and Mandy, we work really closely together on these different initiatives, so that's why we wanted to come together to present, let alone that this all is in two different counties, which we both hear a lot about. So I'll just dive into some of Picken County's work. Just a very quick overview, go to the next slide, The challenges and opportunities of aging. They're not all challenges and they're not all opportunities. It's really both. We all will age if we like it or not. So why not? We try to be a little more positive about it and support aging in our communities. And I won't belabor that. So it's been a long road with different iterations of the work. organization nationally and internationally recognized as an age-friendly community in the county as well, which really means that the county as a whole has a plan that is dedicated to examining this question, if you will, that is aging in our community. What does it mean to age? work in communities all across the country in Colorado is already happening. If it's in a senior center, if it's in human services, if it's in public health, if it's at town council meetings, aging is everywhere. We may not We can move on to the next slide. And so now passing over to currently the plan, I think I shared as well, I don't know if that was in the memo or not, is our current update of the plan for the next five years. For Pekin County, it really acts as a roadmap or a north star of where we want to strive for as far as supporting growing older and throughout the life force in Pekin County

age safely and remain connected and continue to contribute to their community, to our community.

And so we did that this time around in previous versions of getting a lot of community input throughout the county, in the Basalt area, Mid Valley, Redstone, Sunrise Village, and Aspen. community partners and other organizations, other counties as well, to gather input about what is the kind of status of aging in place in our community. Where are there opportunities? Where are there gaps? What were the loudest things that we heard from the community? So what you'll see in the Pickman County plan on the next one. Really, my approach, as you guys said eagerly as well, is that age-friendly work, yes, it's housed in our departments, which focus on older adults, which is anyone over 60 years old, but anything that's good for an old adult is also good for a four-year-old, for a brand-new mother crossing the street. Things that older adults value are things that we all We may not need it right now, but maybe one day we might. And we all want access to services. We all want safe transportation options. We all want safe sidewalks, et cetera, et cetera. So the way I think about this work is it's supporting the life force. So when we are born, until we die, what do we need as a person? What do we need as a community? As you probably are aware to some degree, Colorado is an Asian state. We are no different in this area of the state between Pick and Eagle and some other neighbors older adults, so 1,000 people over 60, between the two counties. The overwhelming majority is Eagle's Island. Higgin has about 200, just over 200, older adults in the Basalt Address. Moving on, the framework of the thinking climate plan is really that if she wants. Moving on, this work really frames up some of these key questions around solutions and opportunities. On the next slide is collaboration, policy and advocating for policy and programs, outreach, so really having community, older adults or otherwise, know what is available and frankly what is not available in our community or in our valley, frankly. And then empowering community members and seek out solutions. So our next steps for Pekin County is, this is my last roadshow presentation. I present it to all the municipality leadership in Pekin County, along with the board of trying commissioners. I will probably be going back to let them know how all my talks went. And then we'll continue on working on the goals The question is, are there any current initiatives that the Talent Result has that you see alignment with this work? And anything else that we would need to know as far as the department goes? That's what I got from my end, so I'll pass it off to Carly.

Okay, thanks. Okay, so I think you guys have this in front of you, so I won't go super in depth with all of my slides, but I am glad for you to have the information. and would love for you to reach out if you have questions or ideas. Do want to thank you guys so much for that little extension with the Basalt Connect over to Crown Mountain, which is actually over to our building, which just helps so much with some of our seniors getting around this area. So thank you very much for that consideration.

I have a comment on transportation, too. I don't know if you're aware, but at the end of June, RAFTA is going to restart a pilot with a flyer, or it's going to go to the Casco and Marine Valleys. I think it's five round trips between 7 and 9.30 and five round trips from 3 and 6. So that will be from Brush Creek up both valleys five times to that point. That should be helpful as well. I know it's tricky getting up there, plus connections and everything.

Yes. Thank you. You can go to the next slide.

So we'd like to just start out with some demographic information, again, just so you guys have a sense. This is obviously all of Eagle County. As Chad said, we have right around 800 people, 60 and over in the Basalt area. But I'd like to just show these numbers 2015 to 2025, those are big numbers, so we'd like to just make sure all of you have data like that. And again, this is an interesting one, so this you might not be able to see, but it's 2023 to 2033. So by 2033, they're So that's just something we know we have lots and lots of programming for youth, and rightly so, but just something to keep in mind as our communities are aging. I think for our purposes, like towns and businesses, obviously, we have to think about people retiring, succession planning, what happens to our workforce, and where do they live, and how do we keep them here if they wish to stay here. just some pieces there to consider. As Chad said, our plan was really well informed by our community members. This is just a quick snapshot of what we did as far as our community engagement. Did some smaller focus groups We had two large presentations. These were all held last summer. One in Edwards with about 59 attendees. We had our event over here at our LG Bell building in conjunction with Pitkin County and had 23 Eagle County residents, which I was thrilled with. I wasn't really sure what we were gonna see over here with the attendance, so we were happy to see that. And then we also worked closely with some of our focused with our Spanish-speaking population. So we actually had 91 surveys come back. I don't know, from most of my Eagle County experience, we get excited if we have like 10 or so. So we felt just really good about that 91 number. We also were able to capture people pretty much from 45 and up. So I really liked that and that we just could see what some of the younger generations are thinking about as they age in Eagle County. And then we did have an advisory committee of which some of your staff members, Town of Basalt, you guys have been really helpful in that. And we did one-on-one interviews with all of our advisory committee members. We had an advisory committee in the Eagle River Valley and one in the Roaring Fork Valley, met separately, and then we came together and met as a big group twice. And then again, this is where it gets pretty into the weeds, and I'm not going to read all of these, but just in general so you can see where our priority areas ended up. Healthcare, obviously, big deal for everybody, no matter if you're 60 or over or not. Specialty healthcare is hard. Getting to some of that specialty healthcare in Denver or sometimes Grand Junction or even further is tricky, especially with our geographic barriers and sometimes people's mobility issues with not being able to drive themselves. So we're really looking at expanding in-home care, expanding support for caregivers, people that need care and then just working with some of our other local partners to expand some ideas there. Over here we have Mid Valley Family Practice as a big partner so they have been great and will continue to have someone from their team on our steering committee as we move forward. Housing, obviously no surprise there. Trying to get creative with housing. We know that we can't But where can we bring older adults into the mix of some programs that might already be happening, such as workforce programs or home sharing? So just trying to get creative on how we can make the housing burden a little less for our older adults so that they can actually stay here. A lot of what we're seeing, and probably you guys are too, once people stop working, it's a hard place to be retired on a fixed income. So how are we working to keep people here longer is really the goal of that one. Transportation, you guys are already checking one of our boxes, which my public health director was making that connection this week.

I was like, oh yeah, we're doing that.

But again, just how are we making transportation easier for people, especially that first and last mile obviously is a big gap. Getting from your home to a bus stop is not always easy. I do feel like the Roaring Fork Valley is a lot easier in that regard compared to the Eagle River Valley. So we do look at you guys and RAFTA as a model. So thank you for that. Again, social connection. This is a huge piece. Andy does an amazing job of running our programs over at our El Jebel building for many years. Well, as long as I've been around 15 years, we've always done our programming days two days a week, and we are excited to add a third day for just the El Jebel site starting July 1st. So El Jebel runs super well, very autonomously over here, so we are using it as a pilot to see how a three-day week model works. So inching our way up, using LG Bell as a good example, and then trying to transfer that over to our Eagle and our Mintern sites eventually. So as we know, people thrive when they are connected to people. They eat better. There's lots of data around just being with other people, as we know. And then right now we're in the implementation phase, so these are just some of the areas that we've already started working on. Housing, caregiver support for transportation, those are details of what we're currently doing. so we kind of hit the ground running and we're excited to keep going. We did, like I said, form a steering committee that is going to represent the River and Roaring Fork Valley, so looking forward to more to come there. But just also wanted It's great to be in front of you guys just so you know what we are doing. And if you have ideas, whether it's your town of assault role or your professional or personal lives, just keep in mind we really love to collaborate and listen to your ideas. If you have other things that pop up as you're reading through this, I would love to hear from you. And then Chad and I both will give a plug. We worked with a contractor named Rachel Cohen who owns a company called Aging Dynamics. And she pretty much just focuses on public planning in the realm of aging. So we got really lucky both working with her and then I feel like it created some cohesion between the two counties in our plans. But we typically have a pretty aligned vision on our work.

So yeah, thank you.

Great.

Questions?

Just related to what services are available to people, I read The Age of Dignity, and one of the chapters talks about how a third of American adults over, I think it might be 55, don't have a dollar saved for retirement. Another third have about one annual salary's worth of retirement savings, and then the rest have more than that. Do you have a sense... as we think about how people can afford to live here on a fixed income of what that pie chart looks like in our community?

I'm not sure about the pie chart, but I'll just speak from my personal experience. We're seeing a lot more people in that vote. Obviously, we're in a tourism and recreation county and towns, and we're seeing a lot of our recreation tourism employees retiring and now being like, oh, This is real, and I'm trying to stay here and maybe didn't have the traditional 401k kind of savings. So that, especially in the Eagle River Valley, I'm starting to see a lot more of those people. Those people also tend to be aging here without support. Many of them came here in the 70s, 80s. probably didn't expect to age here, and now here we are. So we are starting to see that and work on how are we supporting those people to be able to stay as well as we can.

Yeah, I would agree on this side of the valley. I think we do see more and more that space with more challenges than maybe we did 10 years ago or maybe slightly more. I know that within human services, I'm sure in both counties, individuals go to economic assistance departments and work with them. In the Valley, relatively new, we have a financial empowerment center that will work with anyone about how to navigate their finances to be able to stay financially saving, etc. And people are working longer than they did. Retirement as a thing assumes you retire when you're supposed to. That's how it was set up. That's why Social Security is the way it's set up historically. You're not supposed to work at a certain age. You're supposed to ride off into the sunset and do whatever you're going to do. That is no longer the case. You cannot on average cannot just retire and never work again. We see more and more older adults who retire from their 30 or 40 year career and have a second job and they do that for 10, 15 more years. So kind of a second life, some people refer to that as.

And is that out of financial reasons?

In more times than not, at least looking at the data, then you can't. It's not healthy, it's not normal just to work for 40 years and I'm never going to work again. I'm going to fish for the next 30 years of my life. I would love that, but that's not for everybody. So what we think about retirement doesn't exist anymore. It's evolving just like the workplace has evolved, particularly in the last five or seven years or so.

And I think just as a purpose, right? It's a big thing for all of us. And no matter what you're For us, it's really important to keep people here because there's so much they can still be contributing to our communities. So it really is a win-win for those people that want to do that.

Great question. What about kind of related to the affordability aspect, property tax relief programs? I believe both counties have them. Is there kind of under-recommended summary as far as reimbursements? Can you talk a little bit about that? what programs are offered in each county and how people can take advantage of it.

in this county that either rent or own, and has different qualifications depending on that status, that can receive relief from their property taxes. If it's a renter, then it's based off the property value of that rental property, and what your rent would be, so it's a slightly different compilation. And so for that, it's really based on income. So currently for Peking County, for the senior program, it's 400% of poverty, which for a senior person is like $60,000 and change or so. So anyone that makes that or less is eligible, assuming they provide the appropriate paperwork, which is really proof of income, proof of residency, that they would be eligible to receive. from their property taxes, which is different for every person who's based on the property

in Eagle County. We are currently rewriting our land use regulations, also trying to work some of that possibly into that, but otherwise just the Colorado Homestead exemption, which you guys might be familiar with, is really what we can offer. But we do struggle over here because people sometimes in this Basalt area, if you're in Eagle County, you're not given that same benefit, which is unfortunate, so we won't have a similar program at the moment.

The premise of the Peking County program was, back in the 90s even, we were seeing a number of older adults that in layman's terms were I don't know how people can do it, and I have many applicants that their only income is Social Security, right? Unfortunately, or fortunately for them, where they live is worth well over a million dollars, but they have no cash to buy groceries. So it's really that kind of, that's an extreme example, but language cash poor aspect to try to provide some relief for lower-income older adults.

Because the homestead exemption, that's 50% of the first 200,000. Yes.

And you have to have lived in your residence 10 plus years, so sometimes that's tricky for some people too.

And one of those lines, I know, and fact check me if I get any of this wrong, but my recollection is that ACTRA was trying to give people priority if they wanted to downsize. Like if you're in a four bedroom, you get... to be the top of the line for a two bedroom that comes up, but that it wasn't very utilized, and I'm wondering if you guys have more insight into that, and if there would be incentives for an older adult who maybe feels land rich, cash poor, make that choice and give up a bedroom, but then maybe get more cash to be able to live their daily life?

Yeah, that's a good question. I don't have intimate knowledge of that. I know, I think a pilot is still happening, and my understanding of one person took that offer up. My understanding, which again, I don't have a lot of detail off the top of my head, is given kind of where rates are in many cases that I'm hearing from

have a two bedroom or three bedroom if i want one bedroom to spend more money no one would take that up i'm sorry in our our housing department at eagle county we are we have something called the locals first program so it's essentially um you know your work kind of a workforce housing program but we're as part of our aging well roadmap we're working with them to create something called the seniors first program so similar you know if you are an older adult you've made the bulk of your income working in Eagle County, you could then be prioritized for some of our deed-restricted housing or some incentives to downsize. So that's an exciting program we are hoping to see come out of our current plan.

Like that example, I think there are models out across the country, across the state, that can assist addressing some of these challenges that older adults particularly face in aging. with aging in the community, especially in higher cost of living areas. So there is opportunity, maybe we're just not quite there yet, in my opinion.

Let us know how we can help you advertise the senior programs at the El Jebel Center. I honestly had no idea that that was going on until my husband stumbled on it when he went And my mom came to stay with us while she was having some health issues, and she literally went home because she lacked the social experience. And I had no idea that this was going to happen. So let us know how we can help you get better.

know about, but marketing and advertising and spreading the word is part of our, you know, how are we doing that a little better, and over here, I think that's a great point, so thanks for that feedback.

I would say probably most, our best advertising are the people that come. They tell their friends, and that's how they find out. And people travel up and down the valley. We have regulars that go to both sites, and go into Dr. County as well, so people do travel, depending on what they're looking for, and

about 30 people, and now we are pushing the envelope. We do about 70 meals a day. We also do the Meals on Wheels program for this mid-valley, so that includes that. But I mean, Amanda, you can speak to your group's 50-ish people pretty regularly. So it's definitely growing. So we're spreading the word somehow, but it very well might be with each other. Yeah.

given that every time I go to the doctor, that's when I was born. And that was July 1st, 1854. My mother was born in 1931, and my mother-in-law was born in 1920. So I have one that's 104 years old, and one that's 95. The 104-year-old is still in her home with the support of my mother's transition to assisted living. I'm going through the experience right now finding out what it's like to be in that place. Luckily, my mom set herself up with some success in a place that is very affordable and has a lot of support and a very good system to process people through the whole thing. The other thing that I've heard is a lot about the issue of gerontocracy, that people who are aging out also hold most of the leadership positions and own most of the real estate, and there's been actually podcasts and things like that that talk about, from the younger point of view, how do we get these people out of the way? And when I decided to run again, I had a lot of feedback about that. You know, the other piece of this too is that when you're talking about aging, you're talking about yourself. So when you start to refer to elderly mentors, whatever it is, you have to understand that in a very short period of time, and we're going to be on the same boat. I think one of the things that we learned here at the economic summit here that Chris and I attended last week was that the population that's aging out is also the population that's still in business. And I have a lot of demands on my time to come to work with people just based on the background that they have. And I've chosen to do that. And I get paid more than I do when I was a kid. Right, there you go. I think that one of the things that we talked about in the past is the idea of social capital and what kind of social capital do elderly people bring to the community. The governance and leadership structures currently in the state and across the country don't allow those folks to participate very easily. We have a number of examples of collaborations, wildfire, drought, modeling the same structure and it's just to me is there's got to be a shift in all those things one of the things we're still struggling with is funding of course because we have three or four areas we've stayed in but we're trying to i think we're trying to look at what will give us a broader base you know to watch out for so we can in terms of being able to provide recreation, socialization, all those things to our people, including transportation, grocery store, the full nine yards. You talked about sites for senior housing forever. You can't build your way out of it We have good opportunities here for designating your home as an RO, getting funding so that you could sell later but still have enough money to live. There'll be about too many people who need to sell their house and solve for $3 or $4 million to be able to sustain it in 10 years. So anyway, when you get there, all of a sudden your whole mindset changes. How can you push back to be able to maintain some vitality and some quality of life? And obviously, if you're in good physical condition, enjoy yourself and do what you do, great. There are a lot of partnerships where one person is not advancing as well or maintaining as well as the other person. That's another significant.

Or they're both going downhill really quickly at the same time, which is my parents at the moment. And it's like, whoa, you usually have one or the other. And if they're both struggling together, it's really, really tricky and becomes very, very expensive is what I'm finding. So yeah.

I think what also was discussed with the Psychonomics Summit was these initiatives, to implement them, has been talked about now to the point where there's so many initiatives that we want to implement that you can't really get to any of them. So somewhere we've got to go, OK, this one's people in the state of Colorado to support these tourism industries and service industries and small businesses like we did when we were all 20 when we were 27 right it's changed a lot thank you for coming in thank you guys for having us and listening thanks

I really appreciate you guys coming to the presentation. I used to volunteer for Meals on Wheels. There's a lot in here that I think is win-win. Kind of to your point, it's good for aging populations and good for everybody. So there's a lot of stuff in here that's very easy to support. A couple things I just want to highlight, like going through the outdoor space of the building, we're talking about sidewalk maintenance and pedestrian infrastructure. faith individuals who are very active. I saw this stuff in here about the volunteer family programs, the volunteer support programs, and talking about celebrating the contributions of older adult volunteers, but also where you celebrate the contributions of those volunteers. it's not just recognizing their contributions, but it's also kind of like advertising. I didn't know you did this kind of stuff. And so you celebrate somebody who's doing it, and maybe I can say, I want to get involved in this as well. I thought the part where you're talking about exploring intergenerational home share housing models, such as home share AUs, very interested to hear what you find on that.

Yeah, there's actually a business on the Front Range called Sunshine Home Share. They do it, and they come from, like, So it's a really interesting kind of social work housing collaboration that they are who we are. Not that they would come up here, but it's just really to pick their brains and see how could we replicate what they're doing in our communities.

I'd also like to talk about considering for the workforce housing regulations, considering alternatives with volunteer hours or long-term residency . That can be very important. I love the part about all the stuff, making it multi-lingual. And then the other part I just want to highlight, it kind of comes into your community health services, but just kind of like brought up the first one, that not minimizing the caregiver support, and not just caregivers, but it's families, it's neighbors. And I think that, to me, also ties a lot into kind of mental health support and suicide prevention. Some of these conversations affects a lot of folks. So I think you can really all be Looking at names that's not a lot though.

Supporting each other across the board for sure. Thank you.

I just wanted to add one thing in case it's not on your radar but maybe you've heard of it. Have you heard of the friendship bench? I mean, I have heard of that type of a model. I came across one the other day. And I, for anybody who doesn't know, it was a program that started in Zimbabwe. But it started with training, like, older community members in how to listen like a social worker would so that they can be a bench and somebody can walk up and they can get some mental health support. And now they have a few friendship benches in the United States. And the park is right there. I thought for a community that has an aging population and our access to mental health care can be really challenging. It can be tricky for anybody to access. I just thought it was a really sweet model of utilizing older adults. And there was some to pluck people out.

And a lot of times people feel, I don't know what it is, right? Older adults, depending on who they are, it's like people are drawn to talking with them. So it is a good thing to remember. So thanks for bringing that up. Like us. Like us. Because I've been doing that since I was 10 years old.

Yeah, exactly. But yeah, thanks.

Thank you both for coming out this evening and sharing everything with us. I hope the feedback was good. I'm sorry to hear from you. It's been hard a lot. It was nice having you here. And so we passed over item 16, which is a chain of presentation on blueprint data.

I don't know if

I did reach out to Amy.

If we could dial in, great. If it doesn't work, the next two council meetings do work with her.

Thank you. Yeah, we do have some time on the June 9th meeting I was looking at if we wanted to reschedule.

Okay. She's a co-presenter.

Yeah. I don't know if we want to give a swirl or is it a no-go? I don't have half the... I'm sorry, Chris. Yeah, sorry about that. Appreciate you being ready, and we'll see you on Wednesday night. And the biggest difference will be because of the deadline with the state, the rest of our building will have to be completed. So it's just going to be a lot of work. But we're supposed to do this, and then do the final step of the state. So it was...

Thanks.

Thank you for being ready. Sorry again for the technical difficulties. So next up, we're going to move to Section 7, which is Council Actions. First up is Item 7A, which is a public hearing and first reading of Ordinance Number 3, Series of 2026. Carlson Henry, minor two, the town of DeSalle.

Yeah, the title of the ordinance says part, the body of it says the salt. We can be in that.

hearing first reading of 540 Basalt Avenue, which is a development application for site plan review, special review, a PUD amendment and housing mitigation report at 540 Basalt Avenue. PC development LLC applicant has applied for the reviews as stated in site plan special review PUD amendment and housing mitigation report. the development of one deep restricted housing unit on a parcel at the northwest corner of Assault Avenue and Q Lane in the Industrial Zone District in the Assault Business Center South QD. This is in the south side area of Assault. The parcel is approximately 7,838 square feet. The Southside floodplain runs through the site however no changes to the going on closed floor footprint are proposed as part of this application. Currently this site is mixed use in nature with the Brock Wash business on the ground floor and an existing de-restricted residential unit on the second floor. The applicant has proposed the addition of a 659 square foot two bedroom residential unit to be de-restricted at Category 5. The property currently contains one 758-square-foot two-bedroom residential unit, which is proposed to remain. The applicant has also proposed some additional improvements to the existing heat-restricted unit, including replacement of the siding. A couple of notes. Consistency with the master plan, the site is located completely within the town, so and the site has already been amended to accommodate the existing residential use. However, the PUD amendment would accommodate the addition of another one unit on the site. The 2020 result master plan includes designation of the site as existing land use on the future land use map. This will continue. Staff found that the proposed development is in line with the master plan and provided a number of goals in it. commission which speaks to that compatibility those goals and objectives have also been cited in the memo as stated the applicant proposes this one residential unit to be restricted at category five the waterfall for the community housing priorities would be the same with the exception that the employer or property owner would have the first category, so that would be added ahead of the rest of the priorities for the deed restriction. Those priorities are included in the draft ordinance. There is no real on a residential unit that is proposed. Other items to note for discussion. The proposed development was found to be in compliance with the minimum livability requirements in the community housing guidelines. This application was seen at both BOC and Planning and Zoning Commission. And I mentioned it was in compliance with the livability requirements. The applicant is requesting a 25% reduction in parking as made available in the land use code for mixed use projects. After discussion at the zoning commission, the applicant was willing to consider a working sharing agreement with the adjacent property owner. Staff received a copy of that, but not in time to give you the packet, and so we'll provide that at the second reading. I think that's pretty much it for team. You guys happy to answer any initial questions? Otherwise, we do have the applicant team here, Patrick Raleigh of Raleigh Design, as well as the architect and the property owner to answer any questions you may have.

Do you have any comments on that? We do have a brief presentation that we can go through.

So can you share my screen? So it was exciting when this happened.

So for the record, my name is Patrick Brawley, Brawley Design Planning.

I'm joined by Willis Pember of Willis Pember Architects, the designer of the unit. And Paul Cathers is also in the room, so if we have any questions for Paul, the applicant, we can ask questions of him. So as... Carlton, pointing out, it's a PUD amendment for the additional residential unit. We are proposing this as a Category 5D restricted residential unit. We're being on the third floor of an existing two-story structure. The ground floor, as Carlton pointed out, the rug wash, and then we have an existing second floor residential unit that Paul runs out currently. We're located in the industrial members of UBCS and have received approval to move forward with this application. The unit is not for mitigation. This is a unit that is intended to house the employees of Paul Cathers, with the planning and zoning, and we also got a six-hour referral from PNC, so good stuff. There's the site. to be located, that's about a three minute walk to the bus. We have several encumbrances on the property that kind of direct how development can happen, which is largely up. So you have an existing curb cut, there's actually two curb cuts, one here and one there, existing. We're proposing to close that second curb cut that I have highlighted and landscape that area. There's large coniferous trees that will be protected as well. southern point of the property. Here is the view looking towards the south, so as if you're going towards the high school, you can see the proposed unit on top of the existing second floor. And then here is a rendering that Willis has prepared of the view looking north, so you can see the existing rug wash with their commercial entrance. The unit, the existing second story unit is as opposed to a three-story unit off of this generous outdoor patio space. So this is the landscape plan site plan. We have an existing storage shed. It's largely like a tough shed. About 100 square feet that will be made available to the residents. The existing residents utilize some of that. That's going to be kind of some additional storage that we have on site. We have an existing deck on the second floor which will be expanded. It's currently about 230 square feet. We're gonna expand that to 564. It'll be provided with a decking so it'll be really useful for the residents and some nice shade sails out there. You can see a planted edge that's kind of creating safety and also just a nice amenity for people to go. Do we have, oh, there's also

added, and additional will be added to the adjacent parcel right here where I'm indicating with my laser pointer. We have a signed agreement.

Hall controls both properties, so two of those spaces will be dedicated to the building for initial parking. Here's with the proposed unit. I'll turn it over to Willis to walk us through this.

Hi. Yeah, the new unit, it's Petra. is 659 square feet, so it's a very small unit. Even relative to the one downstairs, it's smaller. It doesn't exceed the footprint of the unit below. And we've provided 50 square feet of dedicated storage as part of the design community and mobility standards that we'll review at that meeting. And the additional square footage for outdoor space is circled in this image here that Patrick just described. It speaks solely for the owners of the third floor, exclusively for the views. Patrick just circled the housing mobility standards, we've met or exceeded all of these standards. And one point of discussion in the Bach meeting was the size, the minimum size of a range, which is only 24 inches in the design standards. And so we're aiming to exceed that and make it at least 30, 32. As 24 for a two bedroom, one and a half bed apartment seems pretty small. We've exceeded the outdoor barrier requirements by a multiplier. I'm not sure what that is, but outdoor space requirements, private outdoor space for apartments and housing stock is quite small. to the north of the living room and the shared triangular deck that we're improving over an existing building. It's going to be enormously useful for outdoor activity in this building. The range of the space effort in the design was not simply to design the floor plan of the living room, but it was to take a whole look at Cather's home, in addition to the road watch building, and make strategic improvements that would benefit the whole property of both the lot to the north and the lot to the south. In addition to Patrick's landscaping and planning services, we animated the building planters on a triangular base, if you will. We went about building the commercial use back to the podium to the upper living units. And we've carefully selected recladding materials that are both fire-resistant as well as maintenance-free, which add value and impact and curb appeal, if you will. The signage was reviewed as well when the engineering review was done to be compliant. And you see that noted in the detail on the bottom.

Thank you very much. So we have had some good referral comments that we've received. One of the comments was demonstrate the improvements are outside the map. So AE is in, which is the 100-year floodplain, is in the red, and our subject site is in this green zone. So we are located outside of that. And by the way, I should note that our civil engineering drawings have an updated person with comments, and we'll be ready for them. and have the ability to add the adjacent two parking spaces that would be convenient for the users. So the town engineer provided and Sopras Engineering has identified if it comes in, there's the water line coming off to the fire hydrant, and then it goes into the building in this vicinity on the side there. And then one question that was left unanswered is the additional EQR for the water service from Metro, and at building permit, we will apply for one additional EQR to provide for this unit. We had some ballers that we, that everything is appropriate. Some tree removal have occurred on the adjacent property, and those trees do occur offsite, but we are also providing, to the extent that we can, within those easements that I reviewed earlier, additional vegetation. The two large coniferous trees off of Assault Avenue So that is the conclusion of our presentation. We're happy to answer any questions. Hopefully we've covered any.

Great. Well, this is the public hearing, so we'll go ahead and do the public hearing now, and then we'll get questions and comments from council. So I will go ahead and open the public hearing at 7.32. And I don't know if anybody in the room wants to come up and speak, or if there's anybody online who would like to speak. If you're online and would like to speak, you can raise your hand. That's true. Thanks. I'm so used to it. So if you're online, you're not going to be able to hear me. So I'm going to assume you can't speak either. So with that... I'll close the public hearing at 3. I'll open it up to questions and comments from the fellow councillors.

I'll make just one quick note. Patrick did a great job of walking through the referral comments. Just to clarify for the record, sewer service at this site is basalt sand. Oh, yeah.

In my mind, I had Ian in my mind.

Is that EQRs for the sewer or EQRs for the water?

There's also a comment related to EQR for water. I just have two.

One is YCAT 5. Is it just to set the standard for the...

It allows the greatest amount of latitude because it's not for mitigation. Fox supported that because we didn't have... This isn't for mitigation. It just gives the most amount of latitude.

The other technical thing was the water services on the branch line, the fire hydrant, which is kind of off-standard. I don't know if there's, I don't have an issue with it. There is something else with the fire hydrant. It's turned off and made out of water.

That's true, yeah. We're working with Paul Rutledge at Silvers Engineering and we can discuss that and all the final plans that go with it. Are those, are there any street cuts anticipated? No, we're actually curve cuts.

If you look at this.

So there's a curve cut currently underneath the converse tree right there. So that would be closed and turned into a landscape. So it'll just be one access

I recall it's the same gutter pipe the whole way across.

It's just an opening. It is like an opening, yeah. If you make a public notice sign, you can see it clearly how that happened. It's close to that one. So we'll close that off.

You addressed most of my questions here. I just had two remaining ones. One is about the occupancy priority. What would have happened if the business were to get sold separate from the residential units?

The occupancy priorities would kind of go with the property owner, so the property owner would still have the priority occupancy in the water pool.

But would it be possible that the residential units are sold separate, like it's totally separate? So then the property owner doesn't have it. They can't become a property owner. They can't become a property owner. That makes sense. And then the only other question I have is in the fees and surcharges part, where it says the town will exempt the applicant from the school and dedication fee, they submit a letter from the school district recommending that they do the part or all the school and fees are exempted. Is that standard?

It is standard. The school doesn't typically grant waiver. OK. That's not standard.

And then those fees, does that fall under the school? They do. Does the district do?

Any other questions or comments for Colton and the advocates?

Otherwise, I take the motion. For the record, I am similarly concerned about the Category 5. That's 150 AMIs, $187,000. If you're paying an employee $187,000, how would that come work for you? That's also about $4,000 in rent for a one-bedroom income cap. So it seems like a lot. And I just want some assurance. that we aren't using affordable housing as a way to get what we want.

I agree with you. I mean, the four apartments that we have above have their trouble.

I don't know if it works. We can hear you. Yeah.

Anyways, we...

So my hope is that they're going to be probably in the 30s. And I can just respond to add a little bit of color. The BOT committee discussed the category and didn't have an issue with it, primarily because these are optional. The construction of this deed-restricted unit is not required, it's not part of another mitigation effort, and so Bach felt that it's just a good thing for our side to get in and opt in deed restriction.

If this unit was proposed as just a market rate unit, would we still be having this conversation?

The process would be different, that's for sure.

It's actually in BBCS. All residential units have to be at the EDU. That's why we are here as a district.

And I doubt that it does kind of fit in the typology theory. You know, just putting the residential in order with the commercial that's in it. So it's a good example of a master plan of typology.

So there's something here. The Royal United is this one. We move this along for the second reading. That second reading would address the address.

The public notice for this application did have a correct address. This is just a type of a packet. Your motion could include an amendment to include the parking sharing agreement, and then we can just fix the typo.

Okay. I was curious, this kind of ties in on this question of essential employees working in Basalt, what percentage might be categorified? You don't have to answer that now, but for next time I'd love to get a better read on that.

And that's of essential employees?

Yeah, or like of non-profit, or let's see, essential employees working in Basalt or outside of Basalt and in the Roaring Port Valley, I was just curious. what rough percentage of essential employees might be in that category five zone.

I would imagine there's some statement books on that. You said 187. I bet there's some out there.

Yeah. I'm not uncomfortable.

Making a motion to listen to one of those other comments.

Mayor, I move that the Town Council approve ordinance number 8, series of 2026, on first reading and continuing this at public hearing, and second reading from May 26, 2026, inclusive of the parking amendment. Second.

It's been moved and seconded. Please call the roll.

Let's begin with those students.

Yes.

Are you sure?

Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.

Thank you all. Thank you very much.

Thank you. All right. Next up. Next up we have item 7B, which is a public hearing first screening ordinance number 9, series of 2026. Our ordinance and the town council of the town of Salt Colorado are creating a PUD amendment to install a vehicle gate in the Riverwalk at the front end of Bandicoot on 227 Midland Avenue in Salt Colorado.

And James, this is yours. Yes, thank you. We have the applicants here this evening. We've got Patrick Rowland on the end, and we've got Patrick. This item is a public hearing and a first reading of the ordinance that would approve of Riverwalk Property Owners Association's request to install a dangerous gate on Riverwalk parking lot at 227 Northern Avenue. As a background, Riverwalk currently manages the parking in their private parking lot. It's a permeated system. and they wish to install a gate for a more efficient and effective parking management. You can see the gate proposed here has the same parking spots in the parking lot. Process-wise, it's a PDA manner that is required to enable And P&Z provided the full comments and the full recommendation. P&Z recommended accepting the P&E Amendment, the conditions that we have in the draft ordinance. In reviewing the application, staff identified a couple of discussion items, including compliance with the master plan. As was noted in the staff note of the TMZ, the 2007 master plan had language discouraging gates. That language discouraging gates was not carried over into the 2020 master plan. And the staff notes of some other private parking lots may make similar requests. for a gate, but each of those individual requests would be considered on their own merits. So that's where we would be interested in seeing that. Several referral agencies weighed in on the application and provided comments. The fire district indicated that they needed a box on the gate for their access. The police department and public works indicated that they need a code to actually prosecute an emergency in maintenance as the year goes. And also the police department They wanted a turnaround for vehicles they couldn't go through. So the applicant submitted their proposal to include a turnaround, as you can see here. And all these requirements were included in the conditions of approval. The Planning and Zoning Commission is reviewing the application. I'm recommending accepting the amendment with the conditions in additional condition that the gate be adjusted to allow for bicycles to pass through it. So they have been working on that and they've provided a date. But that's included as a draft condition of approval. Thank you. Patrick, do you have anything in the presentation you want to speak to? I do.

Okay, we have for the record, again, Robyn. I'm joined by Kevin Patrick, who is the board president. I'm also on the board of the Worker Block, and also an owner in the So again, property, the overview of this is installation of an automatic parking gate to really essentially support our established parking rules. You can see that bright red sign. Those signs have been placed throughout our parking area for many years, and they're generally not heated, particularly in the summertime and through other times of the year. We're here, we're not making it a mission or a waiver that the installation of the gate constitutes a substantial amendment to the existing PUD approvals. We believe that we have the right to do that, but we're here in the sense of community to come and meet with you. The installation of the gate, and I think this is a very important aspect, really supports our approvals. The river walk at the front end was an approved PUD, the town of Resolve approved it, The illegal or the unauthorized use of this parking affects and impacts our approvals. It doesn't allow us to actually follow what was approved by the town. So this parking gate will actually support our existing approvals. Parking in our private parking lot is by permit only. We have strictly enforced parking regulations. Nick Koba, who is with our property management team, in addition to some of the board members have done to try to regulate parking and ensure our existing regulations are followed. We do have, unfortunately, the constant pressure from unauthorized parking. This has made worse the occupants, the owners of our units. And it's a very frequent occurrence that people come in and park and then go next door to the Tipsy Trout or go across the street to do a little business. So it is a rather concerning issue for us. There has been some discussions that, oh, gates are not necessarily in the community sense. who use our parking under unauthorized circumstances are not being community minded themselves they're taking what someone else they have a large boat and they can't put their family vehicle you know parking in your driveway wouldn't be acceptable it's a very similar situation that we have here as james pointed out we do have a mixed use and commercial residential uh development um the parking as you can see is a total of 87 87 total spaces so here is the parking we are made up of in the back. So all of this 87 parking spaces are for those three buildings. We have 63 parking spaces located here that are for the tenants and owners and employees. We have 10 guest spaces, so they're This was a final PUD. You're actually looking at the final PUD development plan, which specified this parking and which we are trying to enforce. And finally, I should point out that also part of the PUD approvals is that a public access easement was allowed, prevented by the Riverwalk, to access the swinging bridge, and that will be maintained and will be the point for pedestrian

We have updated our parking regulations recently.

We've taken a look at the issues that we've had. We've had multiple board meetings about this. you have this red sticker in it. You have notices of violations that are posted by our property management team for unauthorized vehicles. If they don't have a sticker, it's presumed that they are not authorized. We have requested our neighboring businesses to please follow our parking regulations and not use our parking because it various vehicles. It's not something that we want to do now and we wish to head this off with a more readily viable solution like putting up this parking gate.

But as you can see these parking efforts have really not worked entirely well.

We have, as I said, a parking site Here's a picture in the wintertime. You can see those are overnight parking. Those are parked there for some time, not tied to an occupant of the building. Here's a large van behind a snowbank with a violation in the window. That hasn't moved. And then you have, obviously, trailers associated with fishing stories or some other use that frequently are in our parking spaces. So it's a well-documented issue that we have. So this is the existing conditions. Here's Midland Avenue at the top, and the parking access that people are familiar, the swinging bridges located roughly down here at the bottom of the page. Here's that pedestrian access easement. So the plan is this is where the general location of the parking gate would be, and this has been carefully considered with the fire marshal and access in mind. So we have the existing guest parking I mean, we're gonna slightly reconfigure that, but we're not losing any parking when we do reconfigure that to allow for this gate. We do have sufficient, one of the comments that we received was is there a sufficient amount of space for vehicles to queue in front of the gate if there's some reason why someone is not able to get through. And it's unlikely four vehicles could queue before anybody starts to spill out on Midland. That's probably an unlikely situation, but we do have enough room for queuing to occur. Another concern was what if somebody comes up to the gate and they're not able to get through for one reason or another. We are taking one of the existing parking spaces. This is the reconfiguration. turn around zone so you can see a vehicle that is not able to get through the gate and pull into this space and then go back out. Or, you know, to drive out. The automated gate, so this is an existing bump out. The gate will be located right here. This is currently a parking space. This is actually a vegetated bump out. So we're going to swap those. And as we've looked at this, we've taken videos. I happen to have a Chevy Suburban that has the worst turning radius known to man. You need it for kids, though. I've utilized that vehicle to kind of execute all of these various traffic movements. And even with that large vehicle, I can do it safely, easily, with a minimum of difficulty. So what we will be doing is... Changing one of the so we can actually because of this we connect down this vegetated island which we can take the other side of this gate and allow for you know the same amount of parking to be provided. One of the comments was allowing bicycles to pass through here. We do not wish to provide This is a vehicular zone, we don't think that it's safe, and we have this existing for this project. This is the proposed gate. Just to kind of understand, it's a dual scissor gate arm, so there will be two little kiosks on either side. The scissor-type lift is preferable because of the shorter moment arm, and it's easier on the motors and whatnot. So you have two arms that would come down. The gate would be activated by several means. One would be a radio frequency chip that can be placed on the car. So if you are an owner, you'll be given one of these chips that you just come up to it and the gate will open. Those are somewhat pricey, so the alternative to that will be a smartphone-enabled app.

So employees or other people that don't have

by that means. This smartphone app can also be with dedicated codes so you can give them out to your other employees or visitors that are coming in that are authorized to come in and utilize the parking spaces. The concern that I should point out, Brookstad and reviewed the location of the gate. She was fine with that. She provided this letter. And we're happy to provide a Knox box that will provide access for emergency responders to get in. That's a very standard procedure for any type of gate. The town of the South has some costs to come into the parking lot. We'll be happy to give them a dedicated code. And then the Basalt Sanitation District, as we saw, I had Ian in my head. Ian is actually the offices of our inner building, and he was like, hey, we have no problem getting to our facilities that are located back there, but in any event, they would have a dedicated code as well. So anybody that needs to get in will have the ability to get in. And then finally, we have given this and allow the gate, the gate can be programmed to be open at various times, so on a Sunday between 8 and 12 or whatever it might be, the gate will be open so that the parishioners can use the parking lot as they have in the past. always going to be there. We think that this gate will enhance the safety by controlling unwanted overnight parking. That is an issue that we have. We sometimes have sprinkler vans park overnight people camping. It's a nice spot by the river, but that is an issue for our and God forbid anything happens. So by controlling some of the access to this parking area, I think that the safety of the pedestrian using the saloon bridge will be enhanced. a reason why often many of us are in this building is because it has sufficient parking. So eroding that by unauthorized use is a very big issue for us. With that I will allow Kevin to add anything else or we can provide, we can respond to any questions that you might have.

increasingly a problem every year. Particularly if you come into our lot 11 o'clock noon, we can't, those of us that live there or conduct our business there, we have to go park on the street because the parking lot's full. So it is a problem. We've tried the stickies, the stickers that everyone hates on their windows. with the asphalt ceiling striking, the snow plowing. This is a parking lot that we maintain because you've required us to maintain it. So this is just one more effort at maintaining the parking lot. So we would respectfully ask you to understand our requirement and positively understand it.

Before we get to questions and comments, this is a public hearing, so I will open the public hearing at 8.12 for anyone who'd like to come up and speak.

Hey guys, haven't seen you in a while. Ryan Slack. Oh yeah, turn on three minutes, let's go. It's great to be on this side. 609 East Soper Stride. Number one, I support their right As a building owner, as private building, I get that. I think this is like the definition of aspirating the salt. I think the gate's just tacky. I used to have an office there, and I've never seen the parking toll. And all the pictures they sent, I could have listened to the presentation, I'm sorry. I know, it's okay. But, you know, I just... someone that does park there in the morning try to park up there's lots empty it's a great access to swinging bridge so that's all I wanted to say I get it's there right but I just think it's something it's just a slippery slope what are we going to do start start putting gates over here or like everything is now going to be gated access it just seems for the fire department stuff with keys. I just think it's like a... It's something I don't want to personally see as an assault as a citizen. That's all I got. Thank you guys. Good luck.

Anyone else? Anyone else? I think we're still...

I'm Janet Lightman. I am a board member. I purchased my property. Can you give us your address, please? I'm sorry, what? Address, please. I'm sorry?

Your address.

Janet Lightman? What's your address? Oh, I am at 231-101. I'm in building 231 below the Salt Firearms. And I just purchased my spot 101 in September. And before, I was above the tipsy crowd, and that was becoming a total nightmare over there. And luckily, I was able to afford to move my showroom. I do cabinets and window coverings. Moved my showroom. The space was available. I was able to afford to buy it. And I love it. But the one thing I noticed when I moved in in September was parking. And I would walk around, and I would count the number of cars parked illegally. 14, 18, no stickers. People leaving to go over to the tipsy crowd and have lunch because there was no parking in that parking lot. And basically I just saw that it was going to get worse. And so you don't pay what I paid for a commercial spot and drive in and not find a parking spot. when we own the spot. Riverwalk owns the parking lot, period. There is no gray area there. So I think that this is gonna work. And the only other option is to start towing, getting a towing company and just have them come every day and just tow all the cars away. And how is that gonna affect the community? That's not going to be cool, but we do have the right to do that. So let's make it simple. When I bought my property and they told me what was happening, I said, this will work. And so we need it. We have to have it. So anyway, thank you. Thanks for your comments.

I think we'll close all the hearings on it. Who else wants to take time? 8.17, we'll close the public hearing. And I'll put it up for questions from the fellow councillors. I'll go ahead and ask the one that the lady asked at the beginning in the public comments. Why can you be in there for the same night? I understand from the presentation that the dates were discouraged in the previous master plan. Now they're not convinced. Give us that background. Why can you be in there for the same night?

The staff and then the county attorney interpreted that a PUD amendment is required to navigate because the original site-specific development plan for the PUD did not complete a gate. Also, there are some adjustments to the way the parking plays out. So that also is part of the application of the PUD. So generally, you know, it's a change in the site's position. Except it is private parking.

It's a way to restrict parking. And kind of related to that, there's a guest parking outside the gate. I don't know if you can disentangle parking spaces from the original application, but is there enough guest parking to meet the off-street requirements of customers who come to the businesses in between? Does that make sense?

Yeah, I think the applicant is probably a better suited to address that.

Like, I'll just, as a use case, there's a oral surgeon there, and I can go and park back in there somewhere on the way to school or something sometimes. It's been a while. So, is there still, you know, is there enough parking outside the gate and off the street, right? Because there's an off-screen parking requirement for those customers who are coming into the businesses.

old hard realities of those guest parking spaces is they're often filled by people not visiting our building. We've witnessed that. So those parking spaces are not available. But a guest to a Bonaparte guest is authorized to come in and could have a pass to come into our parking area. In the summertime, even as an owner there when I come in, there have been times where I've been forced to off-street parking that's available for the general public. But if we have the management, if we have this gate and restricted that, we would have enough parking.

Would you like to say one thing? We have the seven spaces or so outside, but those are guests and for tenants and for their customers. with a bunch of code. I just want to make sure that's all done. And with the instead of in parking spaces, that would be enough if you're not taken up by the general public.

By people that don't have any business in those people. Right. So if that's an option that customers can get a code from, then it's good to go wherever. Right. Those are longer sessions, and we're still on them.

kind of push everybody out of the street. No, we really do research the types of gates and the companies. And these are codes that can be set on a budget basis. So you change them if you find that people are poaching code. But basically, you can set it just with your phone.

hey, here's your equipment, here's your code to get into the gate, and you're in. And if we have a gate, that's 100%. You're coming in to see your dentist, you have a spot to park in, and you're not going to be taking a two-hour parking space out on the street, which doesn't work.

Thanks, Matt. Any other questions? You've had some gates installed in places where trespass was happening in the One of the things we saw was the code wouldn't be passed around to other people who needed access to U.I.s. So we included license plate readers and opened the door and also cameras to see if someone was coming in there using another code. The other thing, that was one of the first projects that came to town. We actually replaced Wolf's Cabins. long cabin and mobile home park kind of combination in the lowest number of the property, way below the elevation in the valley. And the result of the review process there was we went to the mixed-use parking levels and we also had a much denser project utilizing the lower river setback that is there now. And one of the improvements that was made was the steps from Riverside Drive down into there and the Riverside Trail. And then during COVID, the bridge was rebuilt a lot. During COVID, we were trying to encourage people to park in the elementary school parking lot. And we saw them. And we worked hard on that section of the trail to get down the stairs and across the bridge. But then we kind of get to a moment. We did approach, I think it was Romero, they still manage the building, improving that section of trail that runs parallel to the river. And the comment from DHWA at the time was that they didn't want to encourage pedestrian activity on the property. So now I'm kind of hearing a different tune, that you would continue to encourage pedestrian movements through there, because it is a pretty nice connection to walk. That side of town, through town, park up to the school park, it does mean a little love also the exit to go to tipsy's pretty rough that could be cleaned up i know the adjacent property over there and that little building has done some pretty nice improvements so those those are the things i look at and then coming from church i think it's great you guys are sticking with that because it is a community necessity um and also You get a little loss coming off that last section of sidewalk being a parking lot, too. So maybe that can be defined better with some crossing or something like that.

Yeah, there is some existing striping there, but it's been more. A lot of people do use it. And then we're going to see whether that's a connection to the property.

It kind of drains the whole out front and right in the downtown.

Yeah, it really is. So you naturally walk that, and then take the bike into the salt center circle, and that's kind of what it is, but that's concrete, isn't it?

Yeah, well, yeah. We're not talking concrete or anything, but a better soft surface pressure.

We have enhanced those. Last time you were down there, the pressure-fine trail has been enhanced, and it's quite walkable. I often see home falls out there and things like that. and over .

So I do see people frequently walking around. So that's an idea. Surface is pretty good. It is kind of in the U.S. going .

The kids use it a lot. and looking for parking spaces. And the kids coming through there, that's not a protected area. And you're not anticipating that if you're coming through and looking for a parking space.

Other questions and comments?

Well, I think, you know, the reason kids are coming through there is because a lot of them get picked up off the swinging bridge after school. So some of those people who are parking lot parents are certainly not moving around. I spend a lot of time in that parking lot. I meet my kids there a lot. I haven't seen it full. I don't see it well in your example photos. I'm concerned about what happens when somebody gets to the gate and they can't access it and there's one or two cars behind them. Because it's narrow there. And if you go out into a situation like that, then you have people backing out onto Midland. And you haven't solved for that issue. And it's going to happen.

Well, I mean,

The amount of... The highest time in the summer months if there's, what's that, six weeks, eight weeks?

It could be meaningful for a tenant of the building.

I understand, I just, I don't want to be creating a safety issue when there's a gate and you've got two cars lined up for somebody, maybe the person in the second car does have COVID, maybe the first person doesn't. You know, what's happening when people are backing out onto Midland and you've got pedestrians there, you know, speaking of kids, they're walking out, they're going to the art base, I get it, there's a turnaround for one car, but I don't think that's the only safety issue to solve for.

Well, as I said, there's room for at least three cars or more to queue, as you can see in the image that you have in front of you. It's easy enough for a car to pass that you can pull to the side and allow the cart to pull through. So I think the movements are acceptable. There's not a huge crush of cueing, so I think you can easily back up. And again, I've tested these movements with a really large spur, and it's easily handled. And there are and there was no problem to pull my suburban over to the side while another car goes through. So I think we hear you, and I think that's a valid concern, but I think we have enough space that it won't be an issue. And a low enough volume at any given moment to allow cars to pass by.

Can I ask when you started to see this situation happening? The building was there since 1996, and it's 2026. So when did this issue start happening? And I will go ahead, full disclosure, say the reason I'm asking this question is because the town itself has been under construction now for several years, and I'm wondering if this is just kind of an unfortunate side effect of all of that that's going on, but that eventually it will remedy itself.

and it has been a problem since then. It has progressively gotten worse. To be honest, it has gotten worse as a result of the streetscape project that took parking out of downtown and pushed it to the edges. So that has caused additional pressure on the law, but it really dates back

And does this parking lot also cover 231? Because I think you mentioned that you were 231. So I know that there's a new yoga studio in 231. That could be 20 to 30 people in a class, 20 to 30 new cars in the lot. Could that potentially also be causing problems? How is that going to be solved?

That just opened in the last week.

Yeah, I know. I realize that.

And we have already talked. department. So I believe that they've told their people to park elsewhere on the street.

Any of those people, I think, from what I understand, two people I've talked to, they

On that note, how do you determine which businesses get how much parking? Like you said that the yoga studio can't let their yoga people park there, but maybe someone looking at cabinets would want to park next to that. How are you guys determining who gets the spots, who's a tenant, and which tenants don't get to utilize the parking for their clients?

we started considering that at some point in time we're going to be having to do it on a basis of split footage. We know that. But right now, we haven't had a business like the yoga studio that we just mentioned. We don't have that kind of business. So we've been on the cusp. The only time we are having this severe problem is literally 10 o'clock in the morning at 2 o'clock. It's lunch hour, it's people coming in and then taking up the spaces where we can't find a parking space. Literally, we don't, I arrange my appointments so I don't leave, because I get there at 7.30 or 8 o'clock in the morning. I don't leave in the middle of the day because I know I'm not getting back in.

How many residential units did you say there were?

I want to say it's eight residential units.

And what's the parking requirement for that? And then there's 87 total, you said?

87 total parking.

So they've actually purchased that space.

Okay, so of those 16, some of those are not even using the actual 16 spaces in the...

Yes, they usually plather on the space in the garage. Resonances.

I'm wondering... Okay, sorry. I'm wondering... whether you would consider holding off on the gate until after the assault center circle construction is complete and seeing what that does for parking pressures because for sure those titty truck people are coming over because of that construction right now this didn't just

We didn't know that we were doing that until that time.

But it has been going on far longer than that. And another issue is the businesses on the north side of Midland, which don't have parking, you can watch it walk across the street. And so that's also another pressure. It's not from the new construction, but it's an ongoing thing from building businesses on the north side as well.

Do you have one comment? There's the Midland project, right? The big structure. 65 units. I'm a real estate broker also. I did a tour. I asked the broker, I said, do you have enough underground parking? They've given one reserved parking spot per unit in the listing agreement. And a two-bedroom gets two reserved parking spots. And I asked the broker when I did a tour, do you have enough parking spots in the garage and in your little outside parking? And he goes, no, we don't. And he said, but we have 16, 17 parking spaces that are going to be taken out of the public parking where astronauts Tipsy Prout, and that was approved by the town of Salt in some minutes that I read. And so they're going to take 17 parking spots that would be going for people that are trying to go to the restaurants, go to Taylor Creek Outfitters, all of those businesses that are on the Salt Center Circle. And so those supposedly are going to close in July. And they're going to have guests. I said, what happens if I have a client and they have a one-bedroom, but they have two cars? And he said, oh, they can just park anywhere out in this public parking area.

is accessible to the entire HOA. Particularly, basically that's all for, it's not really public, it's for the businesses that are part of the HOA.

But they basically are taking, they're gonna block off 17 parking spaces in front of that building.

But that's how much they were entitled to. I think one question that comes up with that is This is not precedent setting, so can you explain that, like, don't click on that, like, why we were to approve this as being set precedent?

Yeah, I mean, each private parking lot that we have in the downtown area has its own kind of characteristics and most of the oversight specific development plans. Black River Walk, some of them, Black River Walk may be set up better to give to the Hacondé Brigade than others from a human standpoint. Some of them have a greater public interest on them, like the Salt Center Circle. So there's different characteristics Thank you. very lawful, potentially too lawful, maybe. So, you know, application for amendments to the sites for the development plan are evaluated on their own merits and consideration. So staff doesn't have to make the decision. It's not a precedent. Yeah, do you have anything?

Yeah, I think you covered it pretty well. From a public use standpoint, the only right of public use through the parking lot at Riverwalk is through a pedestrian easement. It's a different story over at the self-center.

That's a public easement. And some of those parking spaces are located on town property also. So you're right, they are going to park, but...

Well, it's going to increase the amount of traffic, the amount of cars that are parking in the salt when they start closing on those units in July. And that's a given. So there's going to be more people trying to park in the salt.

Yes. I've got a question. Go for it. One thing I noticed, so I appreciate the plan for the 18-week program to remain open on Sunday morning for church services. But I don't see that anywhere in the chamber.

Is there an appetite to... No. No, it's permissive. We don't want to grant an absolute right to some of that. And I think that we just have an idea. First of all, we'll talk to them. Yeah, we'll work with them. And find out on their first mass. And just give them what they want. Because Sunday is easy for us. Just don't work on Sunday.

If they have a special event going, they can communicate with us.

And we could be...

other questions thank you for doing that it's like a big influx in that area for a couple of hours on Sunday and then it dissipates so it definitely helps so I really appreciate you doing that other questions or comments I think it would be helpful to hear from the yoga studio next time just to

get their perspective or get their game plan to tackle that.

We'll invite them to our next board meeting.

Thank you.

This is probably not an appropriate question but I'll ask it anyway. Would you be willing to participate in an education of just the parking issues with the school drop off and pick up and the concerts and the parking in the middle of New England Avenue. All the other parking issues that we seem to be having whenever it comes up in the future. You know, we're gonna try to look at how we attract our guests to the community, represent their events, what we intend to be, all those things. And I think it would be good for major property owners to have private participate in some kind of master plan, especially. There was one done, I think, prior to the movement having any improvements. It sort of looked at how we were going to push the parking out here and there and all over the place, but there hasn't been any evaluation of how that worked. We've got a guy who walks around sometimes during the day, and we're talking also about maybe evenings, maybe other things like that. which is a funding question for us, essentially. So I'm wondering if there's a way that through this process you guys can come up with an idea on how to educate the general public about what goes on there, and what goes on particularly in all the other funding places. You know, I think that's kind of literally comments about backing out. If you see a problem, are we going to come forward and solve it? Those kinds of things. But I don't want this to be .. Because you're right, this could change everything.

And right around 2010, we actually came to the town council and had an idea for parking in town. Parking structure, we had located 110% interest-free urban renewal funds proposed at the town. Consider that a town that wasn't receptive. We were talking about trying to look at a parking structure where when it closed. And I think that's a great opportunity lost. But we're members of the community

you know, remotely got them out of their cars to walk through the streets and create that spikiness in the town. So, yeah, we'd be happy to be a part of that.

I've got one last question for you. It said in the ordinance that AHL community bicyclists, let's say for the past year, you were saying earlier...

bicycles into a vehicular zone, and we have the pedestrian easement, and the safest thing for people to do is to dismount their bike and use the pedestrian easement. So we'd like to not invite bikes passing through and invite them to use the pedestrian easement.

It's more of an attractive nuisance when you invite the bike there and be a liability, whereas they can go right of the gate, get off the bike, walk two steps and they're around.

Yeah, I think the ordinance we're looking at tonight is not meeting one of its needs.

That was a suggestion from the Planning and Planning Commission. For us to look at that. We could pass the ordinance that time. And then why do you have to advocate? What do you have to do about the place? And that's the way they report to us.

Yeah. Currently, the ordinance represents the recommendation of the Planning and Consulting Commission. So you can either approve it that way, and you have a requirement to allow for the place to go access, or you can amend it during your motion to that, which is what we have to do. That's what we're asking for. Great.

I'm sorry? I said I don't support it as written.

I don't think it's safe to have people biking in the parking lot. Right. I agree. It's just not used in pedestrian access. That's a good point. Yeah.

Kind of the opposite mindset on that. I mean, bikes and vehicles. That's true. Yeah, so... There are bikes everywhere here. A vehicle, if you like, is the new risk on the road and, unfortunately, the sidewalk. That's where we kind of learn to deal with it. But those are vehicles that are tied into the same spaces as cars.

And so just like vehicles, cars can willy-nilly come through. And we have that grade separated each night for people to use.

And it's our 10 second block.

I understand how you're not going to put the church parking in New Orleans, but I just want to highlight that it's important to appreciate that public benefit. I think that's something that means a lot. And it goes a really long way in what I see.

It's a long-standing policy, and we're happy to do that.

So, pretty far over time. Motion to continue first reading, up to us over there.

I move to approve Board of Senators . Aye. Aye. Series of 26, first reading, continuing to set the public hearing, second meeting for May 26, .

And before there's a second rectum, do you want to leave in that condition eight or omit condition eight related to bikes around the gate? Again, there's the easement that runs through the park.

To me, there are pedestrian areas where bicycles don't belong, and they're in the public right-of-way. To the point of a bicycle as a vehicle, is it really necessary to have them on when pedestrians are walking? It happens all the time. I find the confidence, especially We know they have the same problem with the masks in the malls. So I think that's another piece of this community talk we have to have about how we approach this pedestrian nature. So it's your motion. I think that I'm clearly understanding that that leaves it as a pedestrian

Well, the pedestrian easement's there no matter what. That's been there for 30 years. But the condition of the P&Z was to create some additional space, I guess, in the design to allow a bike to go around the gate rather than go on the easement. I mean, just as the order to get out and walk.

Get out and walk and use the pedestrian easement.

As you say, I think if that's your position, then removing condition eight would put people onto the pedestrian easement. Okay. All right, so you're moved to approve omitting condition number eight? Yes.

Is there a second? I'll second. Okay, it's been a move and a second. Can you please go ahead and roll? Yes.

Okay, who's going to roll? Absolutely. Let's begin with Angela Anderson. Yes. Frank Stevens.

Yes.

Frank Shackman. Yes. David Knight.

No, because of the omission of eight.

Elise Harlow.

Yes, but I really urge you to come and talk to us about other options. I understand that it is your favorite property and it is your purview, but I feel like we haven't explored all opportunities just yet.

Anna Berman?

Yes.

Motion carries.

Thank you. Thank you very much. See you next time. Next, I'd like to invite them to sign the C, which is the resolution of the 2020 series of 2026. Resolution of the Town Council of LaSalle, Colorado, Radical and Town of Fanner, taking official interpretation related to the applicability of the Residential Energy Mitigation Program in America. The SPA at 475 Running Book Drive, LaSalle, Colorado.

Thank you to the guests. Let me share my screen here. So this item is an appeal request of a planning director and an official interpretation of the county code. Jim Carr is here this evening. The request is from Jim and Teresa Carr. and they have appealed the town planning director and building officials' interpretation from October 2025 regarding the applicability of the residential energy mitigation program, which is the RENC program, fees for a spa at 475 Langdorf Drive, which is in Stotsonville. The background is that the parks are installing a 54-square-foot the family residence that's under construction. And the town building department has assessed a rent fee of about $13,000. The parks have requested a code interpretation last year suggesting that the spa should be exempt from the rent fee and that it is less than a 64 square foot spa. And that appendix C of the town covenant, which is the fee schedule, does not have any qualifications for an exemption from the rent fee other than the SPA, which would be under 64 square foot. The interpretation that was attached to your resolution, as it is in the packet materials, finds that the rent fee should be applicable to the SPA 475 range work. in that account code section 18-23 subsection indicates that spas are only exempt from the rent fee if they are under 64 square feet and are a prepackaged spa. The building official has determined that the proposed spa is not a prepackaged spa, as is discussed in the interpretation. And so the interpretation concludes that Appendix C and Town Code Section 18-2033 must be used together to determine whether a SPA is exempt from the rent fee. And so as such, the interpretation finds that the rent fee would be applicable to the SPA at 475 Redsburg, as it is not a pre-impacted SPA. code interpretation from the sustainable living regulations. And so staff have recommended this evening a hearing from Mr. Carr, and then taking public comment on this non-public hearing, and then providing council comments on the appeal. If you're comfortable with the interpretation that has been done to approve the resolution, which would ratify and confirm the staff interpretation. The other option is to deny the resolution and direct staff to a minimum of interpretation to find this law in person. In fact, I remember being exempt from that. So that's kind of the background. We have Mitch Miller, who's the voting official here this evening. And Jeff and Mitch, do you have anything to add before we go to Mr. Carr?

What I'd like to add is... information to the April 8th memorandum on the background timeline that Mr. Carr has given you. It's pretty simple. Questions about the rent, fees, and spas were initiated by James Carr Architecture, which I believe he's using. That was on March 31st. I responded asking for details on the spa and with questions about whether a rent fee should be applied. His son, James Carr, responded the next day saying he would get me the materials and details. I did not receive that until September 15th of 2025. I don't have anything to add.

I'm sorry, I didn't hear you. I don't have anything to add.

hearing you tonight. I promise to be brief because I think we're about an hour late. You can set the clock if you want, but you've got to set the clock on the wall behind you. So I've laid out our position in our appeal memorandum, which is in your packet. I presume everybody's had a chance to look at it. I have a straightforward outcome that I'm looking for tonight, and that is that the town council apply the rent fee exemption as written in Appendix C, that Appendix provides a fee exemption for free allowed square footage of 64 for spas. It doesn't make any distinction with regard to a built-in spa or a factory-built spa or a plug-and-play spa. It is compatible with the rent-free exemption that we calculation worksheet, I think that's what it's called, which is part of the code and part of the building code process, or the building permit application process. James, do you have that? So, just to give you the background, and I'll get through it quickly, you know, in December of 2024, we applied for building permits, 2,000 square foot house in Sassanooga, not a huge house, very small yard, and we used this form, which is what was My son actually filled it out. He's our architect. And you can see the provisions in here for exterior energy uses. And this is the worksheet that's used to calculate the fees that may be applicable in addition to the almost $50,000 we paid at the end. separate, this whole run calculation. So we filled out, our spot at that time was, I think it was 37 and a half square feet as we measured it. So we filled out the form under exempt spot of 38. And it didn't generate any fee whatsoever. We put in 38 under 2A and it didn't produce any C. I had to say it dropped under that. The completed application that we did is in your packet material. If you put 38 square feet, which was at that time what the square footage in our spot was planning to be, under the 64 square foot threshold, it didn't generate any feet. And alternatively, if you tried to enter 38 under the 2b, paragraph 2b for a non-exam spot, again, no feet was generated. If you entered 38 square feet, onto a pool, it didn't generate any fee. So that's where things stood when we made the application. The building permit was issued at the end of March 2025, and almost from the outset we ran into a pretty significant problem with regard to the location of the footers for the foundation. It was happening around the early part of April. We did get the building permit at the end of March. And in May, we paid a substantial deposit for the construction of a built-in spa, concrete spa, in a concrete vault below ground, a non-refundable deposit. And that's where things stood. There was an email that I think went to my son that Mitch talked about asking for details on the spa. The spa was indicated in our building permit application and we presumed he was looking for details about what the store footage was and so forth. It was in August that we had our plumbing contractor go to get a mechanical permit. And it was at that time that one of the staff members, Carlos Pina, asked Jimmy for information about this guy. What was it like? he has to double-check on a RAP worksheet this thing. Because a spa is only given to a plug-and-play model, anything else that is not a plug-and-play is a swimming pool. I didn't know what a plug-and-play was. I guess I can presume that. I started doing a deeper dive. what was really the distinction between a plug-and-play spot and any other spot. And I saw the appendix C, which just refers to spots. I saw the definitions in the code, which has no definition other than a spot. It does define a soothing in it for plumbing play. I did see, I did find in looking at the rent fee provisions, the section 18-23, I think, which is what the staff is relying on, which talks about a rent fee exemption for a package that's less than 64 square feet. I think that's how it's listed. on the dependency and this rep calculation worksheet, presuming that as long as we stay below the 64 square foot threshold, we would be exempt from any rep charges. My son and I then met with Carlos and with James, and we showed them this fee here, this calculation worksheet, and how you couldn't generate any fee if you were below the 64 square foot threshold, whether it was an exam spot, a non-exam spot, or a pool. And so we presumed, just to clarify,

38 in the non-exempt spots at all that will generate a fee?

It won't. It did actually appeal. And we pointed that out to Carlos and to James, and they said, well, I see we've got a flaw with this calculation worksheet. Why don't you seek the appeal? And so we did. And it was... October 24 interpretation where he's looking at the same code we are and relying, I think, on a couple of things. He does refer to some of the codes, the National Electric Code, I think, the International Energy Conservation Code, and the Pool of Spa Code. Now, I didn't I looked at the zone code, and there's a provision in it, I think it's in 18-15, that identifies what codes are adopted by reference by the town of LaSalle. The Louis and Spock code is not one of them. And the National Electric Code that's adopted in the ordinance that today is available online is the 2000... 2020 National Archive Code, not the one that was cited in Mitch's memo. And I don't know if there's any difference between the 2021 version and the 2020 version of the National Archive Code. So the point is, I think Mitch was reaching for some definition to sort of differentiate a package spot or a built-in spot. And, you know, in the world of codes and codes enforcement, I recognize that, you know, Mitch has a point there. However, when I look at the code, and particularly Section 1823, which is a fair question, you know, of staff, you know, how do you reconcile the two? I see that Section 18-23 says that a packaged spa is exempt if it's under 64 square feet, or works to that effect. But it doesn't say that a built-in spa is not exempt if it's under 64 square feet. So I don't think that the, in the basic rule, as far as I can tell from my experience, It's allowed, and there isn't any prohibition. The positive language of this code does not prohibit a rent fee exemption for a built-in spa if it's under 64 square feet. So our looking at this code is, and the principles that we were relying on when we had this thing designed And the permit, or we're waiting for the permit, but when we had it designed and we paid the money in reliance on it, it was basically $464,000. Cool. And now we have a substantial run through. We did have a meeting with staff. I believe it was on November 4. I think Jeff might not have been there yet. No. But Mitch was there, James was there, Michelle was there. And we hear each other out, and I understand where he's coming from. And by that I mean the building inspector. But I was informed that this is the first time the town has been asked to permit a building spot. This is the first. So I raise that because there is a question about precedence. And I don't think this is presidential at all. Apparently, there's not a lot of people that want to go to the spas around here. But what we do have is an opportunity to fix this conflict in the code between the Appendix C and the at least a big risk, it should be resolved in favor of the property owner. I think that's the law, as I understand it. So, our ask is that the code apply this exemption, respect our reliance on the town's code and on the town's process for pricing out this fee. And take this opportunity, we're not challenging the whole grant regime, Here, we're not asking for anything untoward. We were told at the meeting, by the way, in November that if the 17,000, but they were giving me a discount of $13,304 to pay a charge for the package spot. Sorry, four-part built-in spot. It's treated as a pool. So there seems to be a lot of, I think Stan, frankly, is struggling with the lack of clarity in the code and the conflict between what's in Appendix C and in the text of the code and I hope that you will hear this out, and I'm happy to answer any questions that you might have. We'd like to have the exemption. It gives you the opportunity to fix the phone, and the next time somebody comes in, we'll have a fair notice of what's expected of them.

Thank you. Thank you. I'll lead off with quite a few questions.

So have there been other, and this is in the spreadsheet than what it was. What other interpretations were made that the rent fee wasn't required in the past that may be like this? Is this the first one that came up, or are there other instances? I concur. There was a lot of stuff in there.

Well, first of all, since I've been here four or five years now, this is the first time we've had a permanent spa installed. The Rep G came when I got here, kind of in the progress. We've tried to update it as best we can. So finding this issue with the spreadsheet was immediately taken care of when we did find out about that. And it has been corrected to work properly at this point. Is the current spreadsheet the same as that? No. No, I actually... Actually, I was actually able to put a yes and no on there so a person could tell us if it was an exempt spot or not, so that it would work in a different process. You know, there's, Jim brought up a lot of scenarios here that, you know, like the specifics of the emails, you know, actually my response was the does not appear to be a regular package drop-in style. Send the details to determine if it qualifies for the exemption that we were talking about there. So that was in April 1st of 2024. Yeah, like three days after we issued the permit. That's 24? Yes. Or 25, I'm sorry. You know, I put informational stickers on the plans I give out And that's what they're for, so that the builder contractors can look at some of our regulations and bring up questions like this. We did... work everything we can out with Jim. You know, if you look at codes as a whole, what they are is they brought, some statements are a broad statement, and then other places in the code will define the specifics of the code itself, which our ordinance works with. It's pretty much straightforward on that. And as for the definitions Jim was talking about, it was, you know, I got the definitions because he had made claims to us that there were no codes that would call out a package flaw or define a permanent flaw. So I was pulling all the codes to let him know that there are, it's not just an arbitrary.

And I want to pause you there. I mean, it's almost like turning into a rebuttal or something. come out but i don't want to i don't want to be cognizant of time we've never had a permanent spot okay here before i can i call yeah no worries um let somebody else ask a question uh i have a question but before i just want to disclose that the african iron babies can be observed there on the hoa board for several years um

Looking at your memo, so this is the first time it's happened. Are there any other current applications that have a permanent spa?

Not that I have been part of it.

And then in the interpretation part where it says, packed spas use high-density foam to hold inside the shell and cabinet, creating more heat effectively than built-in spas. Is it possible that a built-in spa has got that same high density foam?

But generally, you do not see the full package underneath the spa itself. And it comes as a package from the factory. That's really what a package spa is. It's something you do not put together.

No, that makes sense. I'm just trying to get my head more around the intent behind some things. That's where, to me, teaching is. I understand a little bit of the confusion here. It's just the focus on active spas versus built-in spas. To me, the remedy is the idea of reducing greenhouse emissions, increasing energy efficiency. And so I see the part about insulation being the key part there. I just struggle to connect.

I did a pretty good study on permanent spas compared to packing spas on energy usage and there was quite a difference but let's talk in just common sense scenarios. I got a mass of concrete and I'm heating it up with water. That heat goes into the concrete, I still have to heat the water. on the outside. I don't have that heat dissipation. And so therefore it takes less to actually heat the water and keep it to the temperature. That's pretty simple.

That makes sense. But in theory, somebody could insulate that concrete and

If you insulated it all the way around, you're still heating a mass, and there is a certain point where you get, let's say at this point, past three feet underground, your basic temperature is going to be 50 degrees. So that's a pretty certain 50.

I kind of just wanted to understand the timeline a little more clearly so we discovered so you put in your order your non-refundable order for the spa and then after that we discovered that the Excel sheet isn't working properly the order of events yes that's correct we

the SPI you're installing does not appear to be a regular package drop-in style. Send the details if it qualifies for the exemption. My thinking then, and still today, is, well, it wants the details of the exemption. Okay, so how big is it, right? That doesn't necessarily portend that between the package spot and a spot that is built on site. So that never penetrated my awareness. It wasn't until August 1 when we had these email communications from other staff for a mechanical permit from a plumbing contractor, some contractor.

So you left it from April to August?

Yeah, so it was that long, yeah.

You didn't get the details?

That's correct, yeah.

That doesn't sound good.

Well, I just feel like you're finding all the great areas. And I know that it is possible to find issues in the code to bump up against that. I know a few people personally that have also had to sort through things. It's just a little curious to me to leave it from April to August, you know, when you've already had the experience of having had an issue with the code and having to come here to talk to us about it.

I was not aware that the town was drawing any distinction between a package style or a plug-and-play style. It was put in the August 1 email, and what we intended to build on that property, yeah. We had meetings all through last fall, requests, emails back and forth, and finally interpretations anyway. We knew that the spot would not be constructed until this spring, so obviously we had bigger problems to deal with as a guide.

So the question about definitions, Jeff, this is related to the memo you have in the packet about Carlson versus Ferris. If something is defined specifically in the code as the definition, and therefore you take the commonly used definition of that, and I think in the memo there were several definitions citations from the different planning organizations, like this is what a package thought, this is what that is, all the different terminology. Because that was a question in your memo. Yeah, I think... It's defined in the industry.

I think Jim's point is SPA is defined in the code, but package SPA is not defined in the code. That's defined somewhere else, though, isn't it? Well, to look to what does the modifier package spa mean, I think as Mitch pointed out, it was defined in the energy code that was adopted by reference. So there's more digging involved to get to that type of package spa definition.

I think if I could...

It does, but there's not a definition of package spot within the RIMP section of the code.

That is defined somewhere else. I was trying to make sure I'm reading your memo correctly. You're supposed to, if it's not defined in the code, then you take the definition that's out there. It's not defined in our ordinance.

But I think Mitch says it's in some of those individuals.

Who designed the spa, or who's the spa contractor?

Timberline, out of Rifle, I think. If I stood in it right now, because we have a concrete vault that's about this wide, that's at the top of the wall, which is about this high above the ground. So it goes way down from the ground. And we have an equipment wall that's also in the vault from the ground, well over three feet below grade. But right now, it's just a hole in the ground with a concrete wall around it. When they build the, and this goes to some of the requests for information about the details now. to make it safe and all that stuff, no matter what kind of spot it is. So we know we need a separate permit for that, and that's the permit that's on hold right now, not the building permit. So it's in the ground. When the stock company comes out and they start doing the work, they use, I think it's called shotcrete, which is a cementitious product. It has its... And that area, because it doesn't, unlike a packaged spa, it doesn't have, you know, piping and heaters and pumps stuck, you know, outside the plastic tub. and the outside concrete walls. There's an annular space or an open space that would be heavily, and then on the bottom of it, too, is gonna be insulated as well with rock wool, fiber insulation, fiberboard insulation, it's a recyclable material.

Yeah. Well, the goal of the rent, as you know, is to reduce greenhouse gases ultimately. So even if you're the one paying for the energy, that doesn't necessarily negate the emissions. And I worked for a landscape architect for five years. Timberland should know the definition of a packaged box.

Well, that's not the issue whether Becker's fire is more energy efficient than a building spot. That's just not the issue tonight.

No, it's not the issue, but I'm saying they should be, they're familiar with the current rules, and they would know that what they were building for you did not qualify as a spot in my opinion.

They would know that what?

That what they were building for you did not qualify as... to the letter of the rent rules in terms of being eligible for an exemption.

I mean, the rent thing is not a familiar thing to me, because I'm not from the fall. No, I understand that.

I'm saying that sometimes you have to lean on your contractors, and I think Tim Berlin should have known.

Well, they're going to take money, as I've heard from you since the day that. But look. So I think we've made that point.

I just want to make sure we get a chance to ask questions. Thank you for sending me out. I have more questions, but I want to make sure I don't just lock the mic here. OK, so as far as one point of the argument is section appendix C It doesn't say, Section 1823 does. Our duty is to interpret all that. Everybody interprets the code together. Is that correct? That's what I read in your memo.

Yeah, to read all the words up in ordinance together, giving meaning to every word with specific controlling over general phrases, generally rules of statutory interpretation.

And the argument about zoning, is this really human zoning matter? So, I just want to kind of get down to the, like, the issue I have with this whole thing is that you used the spreadsheet, right? The spreadsheet made you believe you didn't have to pay the amount of fee. But, if I recall though, I'm also hearing that the spreadsheet was used in Senate 24, You were notified in April of 25, then you made the Timberline in May of 25. After you were notified, we just want to make sure that's, understand that timeline correctly.

Yes, but the, I have the email here, and then you probably have it too. If you look at that email, it doesn't, it doesn't say, it says we need details, okay? It doesn't say that the, uh, particular type of spa or hot tub that qualifies for that exemption. I mean, if you look at the spreadsheet and you look at the code, it just says spa. I mean, there's no indication, you know, that's, so sorry, but that's just not, you know,

So I want to understand, I guess, from, again, this is Jeff, a question for you, with a spreadsheet that might depart some kind of guidance on an applicant versus, again, there's an error in the spreadsheet and the code itself is the single source of truth. I want to understand how we should reconcile that. I feel like that's kind of the crux of the... Well, I guess I'll say that

Wrapped up in this, this is a code interpretation question, but I think Jim's also getting at some of these questions of fairness in the application of the code based on the notice and the implementation of the code through the worksheet. And so, you know, if the legal question is, you know, what is the reliance on, you know, can you rely on a worksheet with an error in it? I think there's an opportunity. I don't think that the... Let me rephrase that. Does an applicant get to rely on an error that's later discovered before permit? I don't think so, but it has certainly had a cascading effect, I think, in this case. So there's the, again, kind of the code interpretation, and then giving it some consideration with, I think, Jim's argument related to fairness.

Does the worksheet stand alone, though? Because isn't there the code languages?

The worksheet's a tool. It's not the code, right? Yeah.

But it does say at the bottom of the worksheet for referencing, right there at the bottom. But then, when you go look at Appendix C, so you go to reference it, and it just says SPA is 64, 3 allows your footage.

So, did you really permit the SPA show on the plans?

The building permits that, the building construction permit showed the spot. But it's not the permit that we need now, which is the spot.

But you were issued a permit that showed a spot, and it showed up sometime later that you had to have a remember feed that was based on 64 square feet and a plug and play. And to me, it's just an honest miss. Not on your part, perhaps, but on the town, I think that depending on the contractor, to advise you that I disagree with these on the contractor statement, because these guys get paid to provide a scope. They don't get paid to provide specific information about what they're going to install. You make that decision when you decide on the house, and they comply with what you set the bill. It's not that they're there to provide expertise to you on whether this should be more efficient than the other. I think that, you know, and I was really interested in how you put that together in your discussion about David, which I can't even determine right now. To take all this and bubble it around. Now, you made us a bill. You submitted it to the town. There was no rebuttal or whatever you want to call it until a year or so later. And then you went to April 25, and now we're in April 26.

Right. April 25 is... April 25 is... Mitch is saying we need to discuss this. We need details. We need details.

Can I make a quick comment to you? If we don't know that the spreadsheet is not filled out correctly because we didn't know the details, it was not a plug and play.

I think the spreadsheet was filled out correctly because it didn't define what you asked to be defined later on. So it was filled out correctly by the applicant in the first place. Then this kind of happened. So, you know, I'm thinking, well, lesson learned. You know, you have to look at these things. And plus the timing, the time of this, how long it's gone on. I mean, I applaud you for your patience. I know there's a lot of back and forth, and we're really busy, but I've been around these things for a long time, and I think this is just one of those things that we missed. That's fine. And I understand you've had other conversations in other jurisdictions about rent and carbon footprint and all those things, but we're talking about a 38 square foot I'd tell them it's probably max 333, so it's not.

It's 54 now. So it's bigger. We expanded it since the initial application. But still, I don't know if there's a question.

But anyway, there's lots of these things, lots of people think this is the code. And I think that's what I'm looking at.

I'd say first, thank you so much for Working with staff, it's been a long process. And I think the more that we can find any pieces of the code that are confusing, the better the chance we have to clarify them. So I think that's much appreciated. Because if anyone ever decides to build a spa again in Basalt, now they're going to know. And that's thanks to your work and painstaking work at that. All of my questions have been answered by what other folks have said. Clearly we used on the spreadsheet, and that is something we need to fix and own, and I'm sorry about that. That's not how it should be, but I do think at the end of the day, what the code and the policy's intention is, is the remedy. You can use more energy outside, and here's the offset for that. So I would feel comfortable making a motion for the staff interpretation, unless people want to have for their discussion about it.

Staff interpretation as well, and I think that, you know, I do apply to patients as well, and I agree with what Hannah said, and I do think there was a good one spreadsheet, but I haven't determined the spreadsheets on the code, and I do think that there was an opportunity to remedy the situation. before such a big financial commitment was made, I think it sounds like the town has made a lot of, they've made a lot of attempts to renovate it before, you know, they made a non-profit.

I just want to add, I have some off-topic about this. I think I believe that staff is acting to the faith, that it's appropriately. I have to tell them, But I do understand that we made a mistake, and I think the town needs to know that. And I think it's nice to say, thank you for your time and submitting this appeal, but I think it's important. And I think that I intend to support the appeal. I think that we did make a mistake. We fixed that code. I think we acknowledge the work should have changed. I think the appendix C is confusing, and that needs to be changed. And I just feel like we owe it to the community to have clear code, and we made a mistake, and we need to fix it.

So, yeah, I'm going to support him. I think staff's interpretation, though, was correct. But I do think, as Jeff said, it was also a matter of fairness. And I think I'm okay with that. I think if this would deny the resolution, then, you know, you'll get that, I believe. But I want to also applaud staff. I think the interpretation is 100% right. But I think this is, in this instance, you know, I can see why you ended up in this situation. I do think Mitch did reach out. It's a little bit of a, to be honest, an area where I think We could have fixed this a long time ago, but be that as it may, here we are. Go ahead and vote no, I guess, if we have to do a resolution to do that.

Who says yes? If I read, if I don't read the terms and exceptions of my iPhone update and I just check yes, I'm still accountable for whatever was in there, so I'm not implying to rent a function.

Mayor, I move that the town council adopt resolution number 23, series of 2026. Make sure I'm doing this right. Version A.

No, you don't need this.

Okay. Mayor, I move that the town council adopt resolution number 23 series of 2026. Is there a second?

Let's be clear. Okay. Okay, that's in favor. So second.

Yes.

Okay. So. It's been moved and seconded. Just clarifying the motion. Yes is ratifying the staff interpretation. No is just the same thing. Denying the resolution directing staff to administer the interpretation. So opinion, please go ahead.

I'm sorry. Let's begin with Rick Stephens. No. Rick Shepard. No. David McKnight. No. Elise Allen. So if I say yes, I'm upholding the staff interpretation? Correct. Yes. Yes. Yes. Well, it's interesting because it's an appeal.

So it's an appeal of a staff interpretation. The staff interpretation stands, and so I think the council has to take action to overturn the staff interpretation. The resolution's written to ratify, but a... it takes an affirmative act to overturn an appeal, to overturn the staff interpretation through an appeal.

So that was the staff's interpretation.

So it's kind of, yeah, it could be. I'm just, unfortunately, our code is, the appeal process is a little light.

Okay.

Yeah, so unfortunately having an even number here doesn't help that, but it would take a majority of council to overturn the staff interpretation on an appeal.

Does he have, do you have this clear?

I understand. You're an attorney, right?

So I think in the absence of an action, the staff's interpretation would stand. That's it. And so there's no affirmative motion one way or the other, or no passing motion one way or the other, so the town's interpretation would stand, or the staff's interpretation would stand.

So fortunately, we only had six people. And like I said, I think staff's finding was spot on, but I also understand that what I did is a nefarious aspect, and here we are, so. Thank you for your attention.

Thank you. And thank you for boarding us. I got it.

Let's make this better.

All right. Item 7D is a public hearing of Second Reading Ordinance Number 7, Series of 2026, Ordinance of the Town Council of the Town of Salt, Colorado, including two amendments to the Town Code.

I'm going to be very brief on this because we've had work sessions and a first reading on this, but this is to adopt the state's model wildfire resiliency code with a handful of local amendments. Those create structure hardening requirements and site area requirements for new development in areas that have are within wildfire hazard areas. This would go within the building code. It's a state mandate to adopt a code that meets this minimum of the state wildfire code. This is a public hearing, so unless there's any questions, I would suggest we take public comment and then council action.

All right, well, I'll open the public hearing. It's 943. Carlton, Aaron, Mueller. We had a question, comments, motion. I got one quick comment.

When we made the motion last two weeks ago, it was to make an amendment for a deal. I don't see that in this one. It's in the mail, so.

That's just the purpose of this item.

It was, there's kind of like what we just saw. It was the idea of a process that if, exactly, if it's a trigger, somebody can deal with it. And so it was in one of the staff memos for the last two weeks that we talked about it saying, having that process in there, I think that process is important.

It was part of the motion two weeks ago.

It was comments about reactions and semesters.

You know, James, unless you, I might have missed that for the package that's going around.

We can always continue the public hearing and second reading.

If you guys want to continue that, that's my mistake. I'll get that in there for our next year.

I'll make that motion that we continue the public hearing and second reading of Ornish, number 7, series of 2026, 2026, 2026. Second.

Do we need to continue if we just do it as, like, amended with that?

No, you already made that. You already made that.

Yeah, let's just... Got it. Yeah. Let's just get it in there.

So move in second, all those in favor, please stand by by saying aye. Aye. All right. Yeah, no worries. Thanks, Greg. Yeah, that was great. Perfect. So let me just... I have said that he is Board and Committee Assignment, so Gloria.

Yeah, okay. So I actually asked you all to think about this prior, and I wasn't able to connect with everyone, so I didn't really have a draft out for you all, so I figured we can talk through these. But the appointments are highlighted in your packet, and we have several appointments here. We have Mayor Pro Tem... Irudai Water and Power Authority, Rory Fork Transit. So if we wanted to go down those and a few others as we go. So I wanted to see how you would like to do this, but my suggestion would be to go to each one and talk to each council member that's interested.

So if we could pass and be able to do that, and then we'll make a motion for all of them.

Yes. So the first one I would say was Mayor Fortin.

I'm interested. I'm going to detail, but a very short summary of why I'm interested. I do a lot of advocacy at the state level. climate policy and I think that helps add to that. And I've also been part of the transit coalition for the past 10 months and I'm now the co-chair with Susan Morrell on the steering committee for that. That is the body mostly of elected officials, and other major employers and organizations talking about congestion in Canascan. Perhaps leading to a paid HOT lane or congestion from there. And they're put down for the police on the rafter board, so I think that would be terrible.

Do you think you can support the board's position when we direct your comments to those organizations? Yes. We wanted to do that before when we had a representative Yeah, and we actually talked about that at the transit coalition at the last steering committee meeting of making sure that we were being very clear about

Like, I'm Susan Hall, so I'm here in my transit coalition capacity, because there's kind of a roadshow of what the findings were, and you just want to make sure that that's very clear, that that's the Transportation Coalition's findings, not, like, the time of STEM Oscillator, the time of the stuff like that. So, yes, that's a very important point, and something we've been talking about.

I think the eye-opener for me to start thinking about that is the fact that they started to do traffic counts on the blue-green bypasses. discovered that there's more cars entering Eskimo than anybody, but after, you know, decades of messing around. So this infrastructure issue, making it too reasonable to build out a resort is a big deal for the staff, so I appreciate you taking this call. I have a question. As you live with Angel not being here, can we sign her up for...

She did say she was interested in Mayor Pro Tem.

I wasn't able to get from everyone, so I decided not to put it down.

So she said she would like to give first bids on committees to Elise and Greg, but she would serve at the Ruday Water and Power if no one else volunteers, and she's also willing to serve as pro tem if a more senior counselor does not volunteer. So those are her...

comments there.

She did not define if she wanted to stay on it or not, but given that she didn't say she wanted to, so.

Okay, so I think we have consensus there on protein.

Anybody else? Anyone else? All right, let's come back to that one. RASA alternate.

I'm gonna nominate Hannah for that.

Who else is a supporter of that? All right, so that is set. This BOSA, Consonant Adjustment, it hardly needs anything in algebra. So you're saying hold off on that one? And then, and that was when SIBO, we had multiple people. Veil, who's interested in Veil?

Perfect. Of course, yeah.

So that's it, two counselors. So if no one else wants to do bail, I'm supportive of correct doing it. Yeah, that sounds great for both. Okay. And emergency management. That's probably the one I'm most interested in. I'll put that out there.

I mean, there's... There's everything?

Okay.

You guys log in with that? Great. So let's go back to Rwapa. We just gave you two brand new Rwapa. You guys good with that?

Sorry, who is Rwapa? She said she was interested.

And then Northwest Cod, if you were interested in jumping off of that. Is that just one person? Yeah. Sarah. Sarah is the sponsor. Sarah is the sponsor. Anybody interested in Northwest Cod?

I mean, I'm interested, but it's not...

It's a lot of coordinating.

I'm not selling it.

Nobody else. I said, you're not selling it. I mean, it might be some economies.

If I'm already doing interfacing with others. Yeah. I think I would just be better as an alternate because I don't have childcare.

in the foreseeable future.

I'll zoom in, I'm not listening to the meetings, but like Rick was saying, I don't feel that very hopeful because I'm not in the room and I don't know.

Well, the Nordic Report, S.P. Nordic, S.P. Nordic, S.P. Nordic, S.P. Nordic, S.P. Nordic, S.P. Nordic, S.P. Nordic, So here's the big responsibility for us if you were to lead somebody.

There's two things. One, you've got to be in the building out there and talking about work. there for a while. And then two, we need somebody who can kind of keep an eye on what's going on with the boarder scene around here and the club and represent the ski community here in Minnesota. It's good to have somebody down here who can speak to how things are going. So that's what it's good for. I think that

One of the things that they're going to come to grips with eventually is the effect to the part of the traffic systems that exist. Moving, action, vegetation control, weed control, a lot of stuff. So there's a number of things going on that we've got to engage with.

Sounds like you're interested, Larry.

I don't know. There's some money. There's some legends of money. I mean, if you've got the time and you're interested in the subject matter, it's...

It is very interesting. It's just that it's been frustrating for me to not be able to, like, actually be there. And I don't feel like I'm helping at all. But I will keep the seat and keep listening.

And I'll keep it here.

I'll keep listening.

There's something I don't know about my experience.

Yeah, when does it meet now? Because I used to have it on my calendar. I'm hearing today. What time is it? Yeah, it is.

It's like you can't even get back on the island for your own pickup at the school. It's just like...

I love when I'm seeing animals in the corner and I just love my capacity and the things that I get involved with. It's...

tag team covering remote facility apps. Like right now, I can do it.

I can always listen in. It's basically in there.

We're working on expanding the teaching schedule this year, so I know what I'm going to do. But right now, I'm

Who will be in as a third if neither of you is going to get second?

So I'll do the primary and you do the alternate. And I know those guys too. Like I said, I enjoy my time here.

I know it's key, so. It's not my turn.

Okay, what else?

Yeah, the discretionary committee.

That's the faculty? Yes.

Yeah, absolutely.

And then, I want services to see if there's a design committee. Rick and I both expressed an interest in that. The first name of that is, no, no.

So, you guys cool with that?

Is there any other changes we need to...

I would be interested in having someone else on the action committee if I'm doing it right. And also that it's actually on Fridays at 10 a.m. and that is...

Is it the second Friday?

Yes. That butts up against the meeting I have in my day job, so my attendance is four. And I can take that. Okay. That is an upgrade. Cool. All right. Did we get a council member for discretion?

Yeah. Rick. Yeah, Rick. Angela and I agreed on that.

And I expressed interest to Gloria that if they ever need an alternate for the Westbound Regional Housing Coalition, that I'd be interested in that.

That makes a lot of sense. You should start. I started that one, too.

You started that one, too. I agree. And if you have any interest in C2C, I'd love you and would be thrilled if you wanted to bring something to us instead of any time. But you also signed up for a lot of stuff right now. I was just invited to the gift giveaway and I had a conflict, but yeah, I also, that Friday morning, that is also, sorry, clearly I did not update Gloria in advance of this. Those have changed recently to Wednesdays at... I think one is, here we go. Ledge, ledge committee is at 12.15 to 1.30 on Wednesdays. Possibly the first and third Wednesday of the month.

And by possibly, it is first and third. What's ledge committee? Ah, like legislation. Well, I guess there's a couple. So there's Ledge Committee, that's Wednesdays, twice a month, so that's like what's happening at the state level.

There's Policy Committee, I think that's the one where I is. And then there's another one right now, like a working group, which is working with both the gubernatorial campaigns on the climate platforms, which is the 1 p.m. Wednesdays, generally, to their Wednesdays.

Let's go ahead and wrap this up. Great, sorry.

Have you been doing all of those?

I don't mean to cut off it.

No, I think I've got it.

So we have pretend and handle.

We have water in the car to throw you that, so I'll put it in the gray. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Aspen-Stowe-Mazuret Council will be David, Angela, and Hannah in that room. Council Discretionary Committee will be Aldrich, Angela, and David. And the Public Service Facilities Design Committee will be David and Rick. Climate Action Committee, the police will take that on, replacing Hannah. and a lease is a volunteer to the alternate, otherwise not reach the housing committee, should we?

That's right. We got it. Well, I'm starting to move that we make those assignments as can be requested.

Second. Second. Second.

Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. Second. That's a good one.

Yeah, okay.

Yeah, one more.

Item 7F is Resolution No. 24, Section 2026, Resolution of the Town Council Assault on RMP and Placing the Town's Personnel, Code, and Employee in the Book of Glory.

And I will just ask how much you would like me to go into detail on the memo or any of the changes that we have to our handbook.

We've read it thoroughly, and I'm very excited we're getting to handle these projects.

I think it's a good balance of cleanup and also enhancing the employee experience. And clarifying and making it, yeah, it's all goodness, all the changes that I saw.

Okay.

Mayor, the comments vote is maintained in motion.

Mayor, I move that the Town Council adopt Resolution No. 24, Series of 2026.

All those in favor, please stand by by saying aye.