Planning Commission - Special Meeting

thank you david hi today is september study the time is 5 0 2 p.m i'm now calling to order the garden parks city council special meeting uh city clerk can we get roll call please Mayor Dagan. Here.

Mayor Gritton-Liall.

Here.

Councilmember Avila. Councilmember Estrada. Councilmember Lausanne. Here. Let the record reflect that Councilmember Avila and Councilmember Estrada are not present at the movement.

Take that, City Clerk. All right, I'm now going to go ahead and open public communication. City Clerk, is there anyone who wishes to speak? I know it's time we're going to have a request for comments and if there's anybody on zoom that is looking to speak kindly. raise your hand and we'll call on you. Right yeah there's no interest, I will now close the public communications, where we go ahead and move on to the open session study session. And that is the study session discussion of ICSD conference information. on economic development. Peter, the floor is yours.

Thank you, sir. Good evening, everyone. Special thanks to the Water District for hosting us at this meeting. Earlier, I passed off the economic development packet. It has quite a bit of information on there. Thank you, Charles. So I have a little brief public presentation with regards to two specific site locations to get uh some conversation sparking uh with regards to our council as well as gauge the interests of the site itself and what we're envisioning you know what we're gonna do so as you're aware um as you're aware we Staff and I, myself and this audience will be attending the ICSC conference with the city this year. It's September 14th to 16th of 2016. This location is going to be on the San Diego Convention Center this year. We did have an opportunity to complete all the packet and participate in the ICSC in Las Vegas. That's a big outfit. So, as you see in the packet, we have the different inserts in there, information that we will be providing. We will be tilting this packet along with us to ICSC. We will do a lot of for all potential interest developer business within the community and throughout the community area. As part of our packet, we ramped up and updated our economic development folder, ticket, the major business within the city, as well as highlighting the whole environment. So within the packet itself, we have the market analysis, Market analysis will be, and market data will include auto dealerships, buyers and demand. This information was extracted from Placer AI, which is a West Raleigh tool that we coordinate here at the Authority Park of Denver to seek this information on. And also restaurant leakage report to show and demonstrate to you where our residents are going out to eat and shopping other than within their cities. So it's very important that we know what our residents wants and needs are and what they're doing and where they're going. Along with that is future development sites, which is, I'm going to go into more detail, probably the slides with regards to two specific sites, one I'm dealing with and one I'm currently investing in. Additional opportunities, we have available retail sites and space in the city of Baltimore Park. We've partnered up with and extracting this information from a combination of Placer AI, our economic development information resource, whether our different consulting that update those resources on a yearly basis, in addition to other opportunity sites within the city itself. So in the ground running, this is one specific site I'm dealing with that we're looking to promote economic development. Currently, there's a vacant lot, there's an empowerment, and a submittal of plan checks for development of a medical building at the vacant lot site, but the developer and owner Um, for some reason it has some feasibility and intuition for a whole other project. And it's been on the plate since I got here a little over a year ago. To the right of that, um, or the east of this for a perspective of location is the Regency Hotel, the old Regency Hotel. The Regency Hotel have paid a permit through about a year and a half ago, if not two years ago. We went head over heels to get this done. Permits was issued for them to basically be revitalized and renovated the hotel. Convert a regular general hotel to more of a remodel upgrade in addition to an extended stay type of hotel. For those who do that, Don't know the difference between a regular hotel and an extended stay. An extended stay will have a little kitchenette in there for visitors or tourists that is planning to visit California and live in Long Perg. So they will get different regions of Southern California and typically going up north. So they have a site where they can go to and from. That permit was obtained, but work was never done. Staff got wind of that from brokers that the owner was interested in selling the property to potential third-party housing development that wants to put a project similar to Project Homekey. And although Project Homekey is a positive thing to do at home, promote and provide housing to our homeless shelters. The great loss that we have within the city is the TOT tax, the ability to collect hotel tax. We received a limit over a quarter of a million dollar based on our hotel tax. Now with three hotels in the verge or already lost in private bokeh, two of them specifically, We have the Grand Park Inn and we have the World Health Sites. This is the other potential site. There's Broker that will reach out to me, will reach out to the city manager's office and then trickle down to me where there's interest on nonprofit organization wanting to put something similar, but want to take advantage of our voucher, our housing program, and our housing resource, which we all will commit. And for those of you that are fully aware, the upcoming project that's committed to those vouchers are the CCF, the C.C. Chavez Foundation, Esteban Torres Project. The other project is the Central Metro, which is run by R.A.F. We've held foundation procedures, dedicated procedures, not in the pipeline. that grand opening will be happening for the latter part of this month. And then, of course, the C.S. Chavez Foundation will be happening at a later date on their submittal. So this site, we're looking at opportunity, you know, it's a little bit over 144 square feet in the area, 3.3 acre on average. We're looking for potential cardiology. and or makes use of whatever opportunity that comes before us. When you look at the site, you have two other sites that are adjacent to the site that's outside the boundary. The reason we didn't put them in the boundary is because when we started creating this, there was no interest in potential selling the property or closure of business or vacancy. I heard that they're very successful. I previously received some information that the parcel to the right of this site is going through probate through the family.

There's- Excuse me, is that apartment? Are we talking about the Mercedes? Which one?

I'm curious. Yeah, it does. So my apologies. Yeah, that's to the right where I'm saying my body is. Third one to what percent? I believe they're going to probate in terms of probably the parents pass away. Yeah. So then I didn't really get there. Yeah. So this is why we didn't put in there. Then to the west of that is the transmission place that's also owned by Mr. Abel. I heard some additional news, not fully confirmed yet, but there's potentially a potential interest of him retiring or selling his business or what have you. So although we're focused on this site, there's future opportunity for whatever developer that comes in to pick up all the additional parcels to wrap up, deal with from one of you to the other side. So it's that great opportunity.

Do you know what the appetite is or have we had any interest from any developers on Able's side, the transmission place?

No.

no no interest um no one know that it's potentially in the market if i just heard that things remind me of the information we shared by our senior years ago years ago yeah but they wanted from able all the way down to the harvard johnson and the mercedes uh states that we've been using and i think it's going to be well he just he just informed me he doesn't want to stop um

That is for yesterday, as a matter of fact, but I think what he wants for the property is unrealistic, which was the same as years ago. Yeah, it was like 3.5 only. And I was looking at a concrete 1.5 whole government. Yeah.

So yeah, so that may be unrealistic. Absolutely. And that's not uncommon. Usually property where do that, it all comes down to the numbers being, it all comes down to when they want to retire, when they want to package the deal and move on forward. But please keep in mind that this information stays here. Although this is public session, there's other negative opportunities because usually landlord and property owner adjacent to the property, if they get wind of this, they tend to hold off. They hold off either to demand more money, they hold off preventing the project moving forward. So, but this is why staff is doing this before the council. I know that it was shared with me by CEO that they're very interested in wanting to see economic development moving forward. It's not been more than that for the past year. with the thanks and kudos from Elizabeth, who's our math and analysis focus on economic development, is assisting me working on this. So kudos to her for putting this packet, and kudos to our team from RCS, who helped us fine tune certain package and then giving us the information resource to obtain this packet and order the packet at a good rate. So, much thanks to them that made this happen. I'm glad that we're able to get this completed before we go to ICSC. I wanted to share with the council and entertain, you know, what's your interest, what's your appetite for what we're composing and what we're sharing. We're going to try to capture any and all opportunity. It's not going to be just limited to car dealership or mixed use, but car dealership. brings a lot of sales tax in the city, more so than anything else. So if we're able to get a mixed-use development with restaurants for commercial on the ground floor, residential on top, that complements that, it's great. As you can see, this is our real site for all dealership because it has freeway frontage, that direct freeway frontage. So they put lights out, drive right through the center, get in, get out. get through town, shop around. Most importantly, that frontage is not blocked off by sunroof. So all that hundreds and thousands of traffic that goes through all of our, every single day, gets fully sold. And just to the west side is the Harley-Davidson. So it helps complement that. One of the other things that we're looking at is if an interest from a But an accessory to support Harley-Davidson, that would be an opportunity as well. So we have had that discussion as well. But that's what we're searching for. And in terms of mixed use, everything to the south of that site is borderline West Covina. So there's a few residential sites. There's some sensitive receptors to the south of that. in terms of high-density mixed-use component. There's ways of mitigating that, putting your parking structure back, setting relief and setback away from those residents to minimize impacts onto that. But as you are aware, just like you just learned about Mr. Abel's property, it's prime real estate. Everything is always prime real estate. And in order for a developer to make it feasible, the project has been feasible. The numbers have to pixel out. And the only way to pixel out is density and height. So along with this packet, we provided some information, the executive summary, the property highlights, the zoning information, the lot description, access to freeways, in addition to access to the surrounding community. We are ballpark. We are the hub of San Gabriel Valley. And my goal as the director of community development is to promote and bring economic development to the city, where people just doesn't shop and leave the city, but also they come to visit as a destination. A lot of our residents, including all our employees, once we get tired of what we eat here, we end up in West Covina, Covina, Azusa, and all the surrounding areas. And we want to bring those repetitive visits to our city, to our development. So that's the end goal. And we have great freeway accessibility, the 10, 605, 210, 60, 57, and 71, and 710 freeway from a regional perspective. And we are a central hub. Um, this is the amenity slide. So when people, the goal of attracting development, we want to tell them in our community, we have this, including the surrounding community. And we took a bigger perspective because development focused on a lot of regional stuff. One of the biggest things is how all of a very prestigious school very well qualified, and we also have other surrounding colleges and universities in the area as well. But the key business is within our community. This is a site from the aerial perspective. This provides information about the demographics, our population, our ethnicity. Our Asian population are growing. There's a transition of Our Hispanic community, we're a predominantly Hispanic community, but our residents, once more, they want to eat sushi, they want to eat ramen, they want to eat Asian food, they want to eat Italian, they want to eat all kinds of food. We have some really great Mexican restaurant and local normal top business that serve Mexican food, but not a lot of other variety. So when they look for other variety, they look elsewhere. So that's why the leakage stage based on the restaurant use comes into play. With that, do you have any questions for the diversity side before I move on to the next slide? Mayor, go ahead.

I just wanted to say that we're back on track and actually bargaining. About 25 years ago, some of that, that whole center, it was the plea from Paul for potential, not to get some other company, but one of that, the Fed, not confirmed, was Trader Joe's because they had that West Arena. They used to be the center out of citrus, and I guess it was some kind of issue, so they pulled out there to go down there. So they came over here. conversation about that representative parcel with some other stories, you know, and just then I find. Thank you.

Can you reset that back? My apologies. Yes. You know, every single day, I always communicate, not just with our staff, but the community. What do they want? And I tell them to send me lists, send both lists and I leave. We go at it. In fact, today alone, I don't think, between 11 a.m. and now, Liz and I haven't had an opportunity to sit in our office of chair, but we've been willing to participate in economic development in Pasadena. We attended another economic development partnership through the San Gabriel Valley in West Covina this morning before we rushed here. So we've been very, very active with regards to that. So let me move to the next site. So the next site is absolutely an underutilized problem. The biggest headache about this site, and this is an opportunity, there is a lot of parcel that you can need to be consolidating and buying, and hopefully the willingness for them to sell or purchase. So you see the site where there's the brown color buildings, That building, this is an older area photo, that building, last year, it caught on fire. It was in the news and it's completely burned down. That development was given the entitlement to develop a commercial strip center. In the middle of their construction, they spoke with staff and wanted to do housing, even though housing is not allowed or permitted. And we gave them an opportunity and option of what they want to do. They just kind of went all around the place. But this entire block is very underutilized. A great development opportunity for mixed use or something like that. And in order for it to cancel out, if we're able to, the developers able to assemble all that together, we have to promote density. and in order for that to be successful. Great freeway access as well. You have Garvey, direct access right there in the intersection. If any development comes in, there's going to be some mitigation aspect that intersection will probably signalize and update it, working with California to do so and synchronize them with their lights and our public works engineer and so forth. So looking for mixed-use development opportunity, higher density, we want to get an appetite to move you all. Cambridge-wise, it's a little bit bigger than the other side, 4.77, over 207,000 square feet in area. Right now, it's currently zoned for pre-made commercial, but we're open to do a specific plan to create a use in any of that will work in that little green, not just housing for the city, but in development and sales tax as a new city. An overview of the site itself, the property profile information, potential zoning and potential interest of zone or general plan amendment, freeway accessibility 10.605, sharing with you this around Anchor, freeway accessibility throughout the region, very similar to the other one, similar map, and then the area of this specific site. Oops, sorry. Oh, I'll just go back.

Okay, I'm really quick when you go back to the slides that you just showed us on the best avenue. I noticed that there's residential and there's some homes within that parcel there. Yes. So are you proposing that the new development carve those out or are you proposing the whole entire section?

So let me clarify a little bit more about our petition. This entire section his own pre-made commercial. Those uses are legally non-conforming. Their grandfather did it. As long as they continue the use, they can have it for free. But if they want to have an opportunity to cash out and sell to a developer that will assemble all that parts together, that's a problem there. Now, for the housing approval, state requirements, mandatory requirements, if there are housing You can, there's a zero net loss requirement. We cannot just demo a house and put a commercial in it. But when we do a mixed use, if we lose, for example, three homes on that side, but we're building a hundred more, that's not a zero net loss. That's a plus. And then we're able to introduce affordable housing. That's even more of a plus. And you can take advantage of multiple magnitudes of state law, density bullets, incentive, such as reducing parking, reducing setbacks, other mandatory standard, development standard requirements. So depending on the caliber of what they're proposing to a fellow person.

So there's an incentive for those residents, if they still choose to wait instead. Okay, great. So in other words, I don't know if you meant sort of, but not, but I think, which I would say is a long part of it, So, so say for instance, you had a good question, but there's one that doesn't want to move at all. Yes. Well, that is a great question.

Yeah, that is a great question. And one of the questions I want to also return the question to the city council and the city itself. Usually in any city, we do not want to use the authority and the powers there to We want to have a cooperative understanding, whether it's private, public-private partnership, or private-private partnership. In this situation, if we decide to move forward and rezone or redesignate, if we have a developer that's interested in doing so, it's not us that's going to go after it. The developer will go after it, pay whatever negotiation . if the city have the ability of utilizing the domain to address and incorporate those aspects of parcel ending and nudging to move forward, we can exercise that and the city attorney will provide more legal background, more information with regards to those potential opportunities as a last resort.

Danny, would that increase as a greater good for the community? Actually, I mean, There was a key load decision that went to the Supreme Court that dealt with this very issue. Typically, when we're doing M&M, that means because we need a public road, we need a park, we need some of the facilities. For purely economic development purposes, council tend to avoid that. But what you do likely is what I was saying, really to rezone it. And I did this, we did this in Placentia. It was a whole industrial area. And there were homes, there were a couple homes in this area, mostly industrial. One of the businesses decided that they didn't want to participate. So, but everybody else ended up including the homes, all agrees. So now you have this really large residential project where this one business delegates the freeway. I'm not sure why they didn't agree, but they didn't agree. And they had the right to do that. So that's kind of, it's just the, the incentive gets put on the developer to, um, Offer more, you know, and it gives the homeowner an opportunity, like the subpoena had said, to essentially make a profit if they said they want to sell them and get something more than they would if you kill them off the ad. So at this point, you could use environmental maintenance for I think I'd be really reluctant to use this situation. We don't have a public project. This is more of an economic realm. But if it was public, for the greater good between then, you could have planned. Yes, a bridge or a park or anything like that. Your city's not a lot of work. I don't know. Thank you.

So along with this package information that you have in there, it's not on the slide, this little area of authority, this shows the existing auto dealership, the top five within the city or within our surrounding region. And we kind of, cut it off south of the 63 road for the purpose of just information. There is this other slide that is more orangeish color, beige color. This slide shows you the top visited theater in the region. I was intrigued by it. And this is through place area. I got information. I would think was actually number one. That's where I live. But in fact, it's, would it be number two or number three? I believe it's number two. Number three. So guess who number one is? Honda in West Covina. So Toyota and Honda are two of the most reliable car It gets the best bang for your buck. And one of the main reason why Honda is probably the number one is because the younger generation likes to drive a Honda because they're really suited up and that's the trend of the younger generation. And of course the bigger boomers would have kids and so forth and their grandkids come in with one drive. So I was shocked by that information, but this is the information to share. And when we go to ICSC, when they see this kind of stuff, what's here? Well, we were focusing on the other side. The first side was looking at all the entire regions along the river. And the only one that is not only in close proximity, but a little further, is Genesis. I don't know if you know Genesis. Genesis is a higher end Hyundai or Hyundai. So, but if I'm able to get a Mercedes or Porsche dealer over here, I'll take that in an RV because they don't even need all of that. People who buy a Hyundai car, you need to put them in the hole and they'll be able to find them as long as they get a good deal. So, but we're not just, we're looking at the general. And we're, we're hunting for any opportunity that we can bring to our city. And the number one key for the purpose of that is to extract and generate retail sales tax. Service use, yes, maybe there's a need, but we need sales tax because we survive on sales tax.

What was the number two vehicle? What was the number two vehicle? What was the number two vehicle? What was the number two vehicle? What was the number two vehicle?

What was the number two vehicle?

What was the number two vehicle?

And then you have the blue heat map. This shows you, we were kind of track genesis, because there is no post-genesis in our area. There is one out of the other here, just in South Oman.

Isn't there a genesis one of the 60 here? Yes, there's a close to one right here by . Yeah.

So I'm done with my presentation. I want to hear the interesting questions. Thanks. I'm kind of curious if you have some information, the old Saturn dealership that's along the red crosswalk.

I know it's awkward as heck. When it was done, it was successful. But then again, you know, that time went on. What's the acreage on that? And is that also for consideration? The reason we didn't put this.

The reason we didn't put that on our list is because there's some interesting part of it. Who wants... who's working with the existing property worker. I think they're brokers and so forth. Now, I wanted to put together a deal of assembling that and subdividing certain parts of it. They're legal on the form. They don't comply with minimum lot width, lot size, lot depth, and lot dimension. Because it's an awkward size. And so we've been speaking with them. And we've been encouraging them. We want some top development and improvement to the site. That little end tip of that site happens to be in the city of West Covina. And in their concept that they shared with us, they want to put a medical building there, a dental office in the West Covina site on West Covina's side and put all the parking on our side.

So I'm kind of excited.

We're not on the Saturday side. You're referring to the Saturday lot. But the tip of that whole stretch happens to be in the jurisdiction of the West Covina. So you're talking about where the freeway ends it? No, when it goes towards 20.

Right, right.

The majority of it, almost, well, I would say 90% of that entire parcel is within our jurisdiction. That small tip is everyone's solution.

I'm trying to accept because the Mercedes repair, that's Paul and Harvey, that's right there. The old repair, the old, Yeah, the building straddles property land.

So we've been encouraging them, please don't put the building on West Corita side, put it on Bolivar Park side. So we reap the benefit, the sales, the property tax, property value.

Yeah, that is that doesn't sound right to me.

Turn out to garbage. Yeah. From what the garden doctor. Yeah, I heard too.

That's what intersection.

Um, point day and. Please do.

Okay. Let me refer you, it's in our packet. Let me refer you to the site for opportunity sites. In there, towards the middle of that, it is shown the 1455 alarming, which means the Charles 1455-0 alarming. That specific site is what you're referring to. It's in your exhibit.

So which part is the question, Nina?

That little tip part that is... Oh, where the houses are at, right? No, so this little tip part right here, unimproved area, the parking lot.

Yeah.

You see the street has a swale, a drainage swale that cuts across the street.

Right.

That little tip, is in the West Korean side area. The rest of it is in the old Park side. Really, that's not on the Saanen side. That's interesting. That is correct. And the building is actually built

because I do know that where these houses are at, there's a portion there that's West Providence as well. Yes, we're cut off. We're cut off, I guess. So that's interesting. You're saying that's one of those off-site. Okay, so that one little section there. Oh, are we on? Thanks, Max. Yeah. Okay, is that the right state for it?

It's the little corner when you turn. Yes. Yeah. The other way.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. To the left.

To the left.

Yeah. Right. In other words, what we're saying, keep on going. There we are.

Right there. You're saying that? Top. Top. Okay. Top right there. Sorry, there is a delay. Sure.

Let's see.

Right.

That portion. And a little strip of that building where it says JMC. That's what we need.

Right here. This part. Yes. Because I know that this part right here, he's home somewhere in this area is West Covina as well. Yes. Right. Okay. That's weird. Really?

So we've already communicated with them. We identified as far as potential site. That's where we develop just in case that, or I didn't think about that. Does it have to be?

Yeah, it's an hour. It's a whole. It's a whole. It's a whole. It's a whole. It's a whole. It's a whole. It's a whole. It's a whole. It's a whole.

And so I wanted to make sure that we're moving in the right direction on staff and if the Council is supportive there, then you are. We'll continue to pursue forward and fine tune certain things and we will do, we will be doing a lot of walking and shopping coming September 14th-16th.

Okay, on that same I'm sure the science. I also see that you have the Olive Street. And maybe the old square site. Have you had interest from those corners are potentially selling because I know we've been on this for years now and it's just an eyesore that are on the north side. Yes.

So we didn't be with the property or of the market side and We share with them that we will support them improving the site. So they're going to bring the market in, move on. There's a liquor store just two parcels down. They're interested. They bought that property. They want to move that liquor store to the corner, make that to a liquor slash market, and improve that corner site. To the west of that, corner, the longer strip. That's, I heard, that was up for sale. So housing, potential housing developer would be better.

So are you saying that they want to assume, are there plans to demolish, so the owners of all the store market purchase the strip of property where the liquor store is now?

Yes. On the corner there? Well, they have a liquor store. There's a, there was Phoebus Market down there. There we know, they wanted to be able to get that to the door.

So. So, so the piece. So that strip where the liquor store is at, that strip there, where there's actually some apartments there, and there's, I believe, a barbershop there, that strip of property there, that's, that building there, the Olive Square Market, I don't know if that's the purpose. That's the excuse. Yeah. Did the owners of Olive Store purchase that?

The current liquor store purchased the market, the Olive Store market. The owners of the liquor store purchased the Olive Store market? Yes.

So tell me what they said. They're gone. They're gone.

They're gone. They're gone. Yeah, yeah. And they might be laughing. So here you go. Yeah, I see.

Yes. So I'm wondering if you're trying to do they have any plans of the whole thing?

So we look at the lower portion of the slide for the upper portion slide. Yeah, just zoom in there. They're moving the liquor store that's from the bottom, where it says advanced liquor. They're moving to the all-store market.

So the liquor store owners are going to move into the all-store market? Yes. And are they going to remodel that building?

Are they going to demolish it and rebuild it? Remodel that building, start improving.

What are they going to do with the... with the strip there. They told you about the Zumba. What are they gonna do about the strip where they're currently at?

Unfortunately, nothing. With this property, it's very unique because there's a lot of property ownership involved. At least, I would say a little bit over a dozen. Yes, that big strip to the west, that long strip center, That is owned by a separate property. Yeah. So, and we heard that you have one that property owner and one problem to the east of that are related students or relative, but they don't see. We got some interest with regards to the longer strip of wanting to do some potential housing project. And They wanted to super intensify housing development there. And the key fact was they want our voucher from our housing, and it's all we've been committed to. So we told them, you can do a project there. It's not a problem, but we can't give you a voucher because it's all limited to our properties.

So let me ask you, in reference to this here, what is your proposed, when you go to this, to San Diego, and someone asks you about this, since you already know that the liquor store owner is going to, or already purchased the office store market and is going to remodel that and put the liquor store there, what are you proposing for this site then if you got it all squared up?

So, It all comes down to timing, right? If we're able to get an interest and they get a requirement operation before they even approve, or even after, it all comes down to timing. It all comes down to if the right price is given for them to assemble all the property. The developer will buy it and put out a bigger property.

So what you're saying is that this liquor store owner that just acquired College Square is possibly willing to sell to a new development? I mean, they just purchased the property.

They purchased it a while back. Keep in mind that that property, they went through an impalement process quite a few years ago. They were granted an impalement approval to remodel that market with the hopes this was moving forward. The problem, based on the history that Nick and I was communicating with them, they said a few years later down the line that a staff from the city told them they could not move forward. So we asked them, how did that be? Did you get it right? Was there email communication? A staff just can't go and says, nope, we don't want you anymore. And you go away. There's a process and there's paper trail, there's tracking. So we did a lot of digging from our end. We asked the information from their end. We have the empowerment of what was approved of. And as a result, we compromised and allowed them to improve that setting because if we can't get development in there, new development to come in there, redevelop the entire area, at least we'll be able to beautify that corner first until whatever happened on the right. But in terms of economic development, we identified a specific site as a potential development opportunity for any development to come in to do a really nice commercial development or a leachies development. And there is specific plans that stretch all the way to all of them. But it's really, really weak. We couldn't amend it. We could carve it out for future opportunity. It depends on what we as a city want to see out there. And we know as a city, we want to see improvement. But the key aspect is what type of improvement. one of all we've been seeing in this situation, we have residential to the south, commercial, sorry, residential to the west, commercial to the south, and the west.

Yeah, I see that being long term. I don't see this changing. I remember one time we did, there was a We were rendering them an actual market there and some other stuff. It was because it was, there's not a moment, like I just mentioned, there's probably a dozen remotes, right? So to place something in there, I doubt it. And then no vouchers, well, you're not going to get it when it makes use of the housing money there at all.

With regards to economic development, if we don't plan for the best and hope for the best, people that were happy. It just continued to be like that. It's continued to be like that. What we're going to do is promote improvement in economic development. In fact, I was speaking to our howling team along with a combination of economic development. We want to roll out a solid improvement program to unify our existing businesses, et cetera.

Yeah, Mr. Ed. I mean, having that market, that can kind of help things there to be awarded. I mean, that market is very nice. But I think that the incentive is there. And I'm going to remain optimistic, but it's a corner of the market. There are a lot of people on that North End that don't want to go all the way to downtown. We need to shop. And something's there. I'm just curious, when did the liquor store purchase the olive store market?

I believe, probably, I think, based on our discussion, it seemed like that at least over five years ago. I have a question.

I remember Ron telling us that the auto store market didn't want to sell. So that's why I'm so confused because, like I said, we've been working on this for years. And I don't like to be chronic, but I remember one time we were pushing, like, what's going to happen with this auto store market? We've got to get this. We have to get this going. And what I had indicated to us were, sorry, they had a development record indicated to us that the owners of Office Square Market did not want to sell. So now that you're telling us that the liquor store owners purchased it, and you're saying it was five years ago, well, at least I would have liked to. I don't know, but it was a stop.

Maybe he was sad. Yeah. Yes. This is what I say. This is one huge parking parcel that they have when it rains and the torment rains. It's a ridiculous idea.

I mean, at this point, you know that, you know, whatever, whatever time, if you can bring it to these sites, it's a plus for us. Obviously the freeway, you know, the Dalewood area, if we could bring in our leadership there, that would be ideal. because that's a huge sales tax incentive for us. But even on these other sites, like the auto store market and these other ones we have here, at this point in time, whatever it is that you can bring, whatever new development you can bring to us, that's what we've been pushing for over the years. I don't think we've had the pleasure of being this or this event. I'm glad to. What is her official name? So, yes, welcome. So, you know, we've had someone in that position for quite some time, and it's viable to the economic development department because we need to constantly have, you know, someone out there representing the city. And I'm glad you listened to us about making some new folders to take with you. So, yeah, you know, presentation is always going to be key to the goal and meet with these potential developers or whatever it is. So, yeah. whatever you can do to improve all of these sites, you know, whatever we can do to bring in something that we currently don't have in the city so that we can stop going to other cities and try to at least, you know, dual plans later, I think it would be a plus, you know, for us. But I'll get it up to the city hall for any questions. Go ahead.

Thank you. Okay, I'm going to use this program. First of all, I just want to say thank you as well for all of the information. I really appreciate it. Regarding these opportunity sites, I know you said that these are possibilities. Are these, I think you said, are these locations that we know for sure are up for grabs? And would we have, for example, Robona and Foster? That's actually where, again, our problem is right there. So that area is available. You also have something on Ramona with the $21,843 something to first meet. These are all available parcels that we know of, correct?

These are big, concise stuff. Whether it's a visiting owner, a future owner, or a developer, they're funding developers.

Okay, okay. And I, I agree with what Eric's saying in terms of, you know, if you can get someone who has interest to come here to our wonderful community and want, you know, to put their rooms here and, you know, develop their business, I, you know, I give you all, you know, you do it because I think it's important. We have really good little areas where we need a good person. And I look forward to seeing what you guys do with that. So thank you, and I appreciate all of the . So thank you. Thank you. Go ahead, Dr. Brayhill. Sorry, it was . Thank you. Back to that log right there on foster.

Is it only that legal section for the three months upon time, the 7-1-1?

yeah well that's a big site. But if the developer wants to pick that up and the entire shopping center read it all that hard work so as a sense of taste into that we've seen there's a couple of houses and then next to those houses are showing there's also some little apartments, but half of the lot is always in dirty. I mean, you would want to look into all that section was also the city of the developer to be interested. I'm going to look through that area. I live right down the street from here. I live right down the street from here. So that section, that parking lot, and then there's little houses that are there, and then facing to those houses are some apartments, and half of the lot is always there for all the needs. I would recommend that you look into that area, too, and see if anybody would be interested in coming in and buying out. Yeah. It's not a fact that it always does.

Right. Usually, if we have some interest in that, we want to encourage them to do more. If we need to make amendments, some change to extend the boundary, because it's within the boundary itself, we will explore that and we will share that before commissioning the motion.

So as well, Joe. Yeah. Thanks, Mayor. I know I haven't talked about the name a lot, but yes, I think it's also really important that we have a bit of an audience in the community and where we are. And so I know that for a couple of years, albums were closed on that a lot. And I know at least I said, you know, because, you know, all the store market and the markets that are, at least all the store is closed, but we use stores that are behind it for a lot of money that most of them don't have. And so we're not going to just, No, I personally don't care about what's going to happen. We're going to loss, right? We're going to loss, right? We're going to loss, right? We're going to loss, right? We're going to loss, right? We're going to loss, right? That's one thing to keep in mind as we want to develop, but we also need to see that these are things that are beneficial, right? And so here, and, you know, I have veggies that are sliced. One thing that I've brought up in other tech meetings is the need to resolve. And I think that, you know, as we look at, you know, the ideas that weren't really working off development, I mean, that creates the need for resolving. I think Planner should have been able to resolve, right? Planner, we want to edit it. And all the time, this has happened to me or not for something so both primarily to learn the kind of safe origin background positive positive positive positive positive positive positive positive positive positive positive positive positive positive positive. And they're great, but ultimately, we want to go bigger in the city. We want our house to sit in the back here, and our phones in the back middle. So now there's no activity or flow. And it's really going to be for that. And I should see us fix those. We have a lot of space for that. And so when it is, we want to move on as well. I think you're, you know, I was, I don't know if it's an operation or a population, but that's the state of Alabama. And so last night, we were at 70,000 and last year in 2000 change will be lost for thousands of residents, which should come as a surprise, because the other schools are closed personal kids. So there's, there's a there's more time. It's kind of back to the city out of the moment. So really, for all of us, we're not just making sure that we're so much about that. I don't think you know, we have some spots on where he's over, you know it's very risky with all the others, while dealing with this idea that they are going to be. For my idea that we didn't have some hope and pray that don't act right, because I don't want you to be with my city and. They were about having to have on the Council to improve my.

So something to be mindful before. Yes, that's my next goal. I know that varsity was communicating with varsity very interesting. My next goal is to bring back a separate study session to analyze our corridor, our main streets, how we want to envision that 5, 10, 40 years from now. So that will be a separate discussion and communication. to look at the overall corridor, vision of the city and its growth.

That's a little time. Do you have any questions or comments? Thanks for the time. Thanks for the job. Thanks for the team as well. So I'm very happy for you today.

Yeah, likewise. I think that what we should do is just try to capitalize on any opportunities that we have within the locations that are available and see what type of businesses we can bring. I know that a couple of years ago, we toured the North Gate and Costa Mesa, and I think if you were with us, that was such a great concept, but there's just nowhere to go here. You know, we toured different locations here, and they would love the Superior Shopping Center, or no, I assume it, the one that's on the Monarch Boulevard, so if you can convince them to sell, make sure you reach out to them. I want them to get more interest in the whole complex there, so... And maybe even the gross reality area too. So, I mean, there's a lot of potential in the city, but obviously we just need to make sure that we're, you know, looking at whatever opportunities are available out there and trying to see what type of businesses we can bring in. But this is a great start. I'm really, I'm really happy to see that you're already a good site to get going. And I'm looking forward to moving to Las Vegas because that one's bigger. And just trying to see what, what type of fish you can catch up there and bring them over to our city. And that's the important thing. So we're behind him 100%. Elizabeth, welcome to the team and make sure you nudge him once in a while. He slows down on us, but yeah, let's bring in this economic development.

We really need it.

Yeah. Thank you for the presentation. We appreciate it. Thank you very much.