Architectural Review Board - Regular Meeting

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to order, and I don't have the agenda here to guide me. Oh, OK. We'll call. We'll call. Chair Renaud, the board is present. Amanda Barton.

OK. Jose Gomez may join us shortly. And Brett is not joining us today. Nathan Van Diemen.

Here.

And we have quorum.

Very well. So we do pledge allegiance. We have some minutes for approval from December Move to approve

And Mr. Chair, make sure that you pull your mic down so that you're picked up by the recording. So it faces you. Pull it down. All right, please be advised that the following item on the agenda is quasi-judicial in nature. If you wish to comment upon the item, please inform the chair when he asks for public input on it. An opportunity for persons to speak will be made available after the applicant and staff have made their presentations on each item. All testimony, including public testimony and evidence, will be made under oath or affirmation. Additionally, each person who gives testimony may be subject to cross-examination. If you refuse either to be cross-examined or to be sworn, your testimony will be given its due weight. The general public will not be permitted to cross-examine witnesses, but the public may request the Architectural Review Board to ask questions of staff or witnesses on their behalf. Persons representing organizations must present evidence of their authority, speak for their organization, and further details of the quasi-judicial procedures may be obtained from the clerk. At this time, I'll ask our board members who are present... Do you have any ex parte communications to disclose regarding this one item of business on the agenda?

None here.

Seeing none, I'll ask the clerk to swear on anyone who wishes to testify today.

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Mr. Chair, we can move.

Mr. Chair, we can move on with the building official's presentation on item 4-1, which is 148 Balbay Drive. It's a continuation of an item you saw in December.

Thank you.

Good afternoon. Well, I've received the written confirmation that they acknowledge the 18 conditions and they're in agreeance with it. It is my opinion that the proposed new single-family home for 148 Ball Bay follows the Village Appearance Code and Zoning Ordinance. And also the Planning and Zoning Consultant has concurred that it also complies with the code.

Very well. And the applicant has been in contact and dialoguing with all the conditions and has been

Yes, when they met with us right after the meeting that we had last month, and they got instructions based on what the recommendations were at that point, and based on that, we were able to move forward the application again.

Very well. So is the applicant ready to present? All right. Come up to the podium and state your name for the record and show us how this has evolved.

And just for everybody, Jose is on Zoom.

Jose Gomez. of the project now, you'll notice that one of the biggest changes you see is the massing difference change compared to the last one. It's very clearly shown here as two masses, one above the other, emphasizing the building and the two stories.

Could you, just for the record, give us the lot size and how much air conditioned space the house is proposing?

The presentation is not being shown.

You got to share. I guess maybe it hasn't been shared. I wish you could easily zoom into these PDFs so we could all see what I'm seeing, because I'm looking at the lot coverage and building area calculation. It's kind of interesting to kind of understand, you know, the neighborhood, the community is concerned about bulk size of these homes, right? So that's why I'm bringing it up, because there's some comments from neighbors about that, and I'm looking at your lot area is $27,999, almost $28,000, right? That seems to be it. Yeah, and then, you know, this has been reviewed by the zoning reviewer for the city, and it's in compliance with zoning regulation. When I see you're noting first floor, AC area 6,500 square feet, and there's a garage, and then you have a gross number covered terrace. And then you go to the second floor. Oh, there's some mezzanine. So the mezzanine is accounting for 1,078 square feet. And the mezzanine, I guess the way you're doing it is sort of within the first story. You kind of, you know, so you've got like a first story, then you carve out a mezzanine. Right, and building official has reviewed that. All of that is in conformity with the mezzanine aspect of the code. And also, it doesn't really, they could have that ground floor at that height without a mezzanine if they wanted to, and the house would still be the same height. Right, so the mezzanine strategy is not really adding to the bulk of the house, right? Basically an interior space within and between the two floors, but it's be it's not an actual floor I mean the code allows them to establish the ground level the formulation of that in relationship to the overall elevations of the site and the crown of the road and Then and then they could go up to the roof and and that envelope is what they're doing exactly They haven't done anything more than what's allowed Yes, just want to make that clear you know So when I add up all your numbers, including the second floor, which is 8,500 square feet, is 15,438 square feet. I would consider that to be AC space. Okay. Okay. All right. And then, of course, you've got terraces and garages that are not necessarily, I think, included, 362 square feet. You do have a two-car parking garage, I think, included?

It's one-car parking garage.

One-car parking garage. And you have how many bedrooms in the house?

There are five above and six above, and there's two above.

You got public transportation service to the site? Yeah, one of the comments here from one of the sensitive neighbors is really these houses are large, and how do they accommodate for parking? That's always a concern that the community has been sharing with us through time, and I need to put that on the record. But again, you're designing for a client who is okay with this programming of one car garage, On the outdoor driveway area. In the driveway area.

Yeah. Which is more than is required.

Right. I don't think the code says for a house of this size you need to have X amount of interior car garages, right?

The code basically says that you have to have one garage.

One garage.

One vehicle, one car garage.

One garage. That's what they've done.

And they've done that and then they have space on the side that it could... It could lead to four or five cars right on the outside of that garage along the southern side of the property.

So my recollection, and members of the committee could clarify if I'm wrong, but the main concern that we had, which we wanted you to come back, was I think the way the glazing was applied and the double layering of glazing and the integration of sort of like a nano wall type of thing with a sliding glass door type of thing. Right. You've come back to us to show us how you've resolved that, and you'll make your presentation. But I believe that that was the main concern that the committee had here, having to do with something that's so important to the House, right, because the House is sort of minimal and beautiful, and you've got this sort of reflective glass, and the strategy is clear. I think the clarity has been improved, it seems, you know, with the way that we see the documents. So I would allow you now to complete your presentation, and then we'll have more comments from members of the Board. Thank you.

much more defined in the last time that we showed it up. We tried to be very clear on how that's been broken up based on the spacing.

And you can see, obviously, those millions throughout the framework of that class. So you can see here, when you're putting the mirror glass on both, which you'll see here.

We showed this one. We showed this in the last meeting as well.

There's a darkness in the front facade. What is that material that creates that darkness? Is that stone?

That's a metal cladding. So a metal cladding is going to have a preparation to have some visibility. The solid mass in the metal cladding in the front kind of wraps around the building in the front side of the area. And it's also going to have some lighting that's going to kind of infiltrate

So that panel is acting like a screen. It has glazing behind it?

It's correct. This is a cladding on top of the building. It's kind of a screen. There's no glazing behind it. It would be wherever there's mass.

Okay. Got it. I thought the perforation was to see through, but you're seeing through to something opaque. Correct.

So it's really so that you can see the lighting.

I see. So there's lighting behind it, so you'll appreciate that at night. Exactly.

Exactly.

You've got that detailed in your package?

Not as of yet, no. You have some rendering, so I know the preparation.

Behind the cladding that you're describing is just a stucco mass, right? Solid. Right, exactly. Okay. That seems to kind of see that. It would be like a similar concrete gray look if you're using a static color. All right. Continue, please.

Hey, we also brought some additional renderings. I think there was some questions in one of the other angles of the project. So we brought some additional renderings that we thought could exhibit the project a bit better. It is very symmetrical. It is in a lot of the same conditions happening around. You can kind of see how this wraps around on different parts of the project. It's very hard to see on this screen, the dark portion. You can see it there. In this screen over here, you can kind of see like the panels of that perforated black panels on the bottom portion. And then on the top, you can kind of see all the way around how we have a similar condition of the same glass. This is a site plan. It's very similar to what we saw the last time. And this is the sheet you were just describing with the zoning statement and all the floor areas. The same plan in the back and right, showing more information, walkways, driveways, more details. Everything else that we like to show on the side, we're also showing the retaining walls. I think we had a discussion on that last time as well. Okay, here's the first floor plan. This plan has, when it already stayed the same, it hasn't changed too much. What has really changed has been a mezzanine area, right? So in the previous presentation, in this floor, we have kind of like a wraparound void in this space, and it's no longer the case. Now the mezzanine is truly, as you can see here, the north and south ends are full height here, and the mezzanine is a proper mezzanine within that larger central space, less than one third of the size of the space, with the rating that opens down into that, pretty makes it open as one big space to get on the first floor. You can also see we still have a bit of a spacing between the rear pool area and the mezzanine slab itself, so that it's still separated a bit from the back, it's not necessarily quite up on the edge, gives it a little bit of a barrier. What you will see different here is in the past we had a two-door system. Now we only have the one that's only inside the last system with the reading still in the interior, obviously. But you'll notice that the exterior where the glass is, it's much more thinner to the floor. It has this sample here. It has this sample on the exterior and then the reading

I think you mentioned the width of the panels is about eight feet.

Yes, it varies, but it can go from eight to around 15. On this floor, we have it around eight at 10-4. The first floor, we do have more than 15.

In height? Yes. With the same width as these, so the lines are matching.

Exactly, yeah. So there's obviously different spaces and programs. So the program does not allow them to perfectly So the program does not allow them to perfectly align. They do align for the most part. For example, the area that you see in the middle there,

This elevator that you're using is a commercial hydraulic?

It has a top motor. All this requires 128 inches of space.

All right.

These are the elevations showing the massing and the elevations of the site. You'll see here, you can clearly see where that spans to the first floor ends and the second floor begins. You can see all of the glazing. You'll see primarily the one facing the waterfront as the most amazing to view the waters outside. The front is more covered, more privatized to, you know, obviously provides privacy for the owner. And you'll even see on the inside we have like a wall

So that mezzanine is not expressed on the front or really rear facade at all.

Right, yeah, yeah. You wouldn't really see it there because I'll show you an intersection where...

I do have a question on the section for the mezzanine. Right now you're showing the slab pretty much touching the glazing for the facade. How are you having that react with the lighting in the evenings? It's going to be a thicker band, or what are you envisioning for that space?

Yeah, so you can kind of see the thicker band there. It's at recess and inset.

You can almost see it on that bottom one there.

I'm looking.

Yep. So that's, is that like a beam?

Yeah, right. So we do have a beam and we also have a slab.

Just curious, who's doing your structural engineering for this? Optimus.

Optimus. We're still communicating with them and working through details of it, but Yes, they're helping us to determine how to make this the best here and provide the required themes as well.

Yeah, so the detail that Amanda is referring to spans along the game area and the mezzanine floor. It almost looks like it's a planter. Is there planting on that?

So it's like in the past we'd have like a water feature

Because I think the concern that Amanda is, I guess, suggesting is that you have glazing in front of that. And, of course, at night, right, during the day, it's not an issue because this reflective glass is going to homogenize everything aesthetically. But then at night, you are going to see on the inside some kind of shadow of that beam, right?

Especially right now, it looks a butt to the glazing rather than having a gap to allow for the lighting to continue through.

Is that beam a structural necessity or is that a design feature?

One side of it is, obviously the side that's attached to the metonymy. They are using the column structurally, those two circular columns.

Yeah, of course.

Yeah, so we will have to have some kind of beam there. I think if anything, the further beam closest to the glass, I mean, minimize.

Yeah, that's...

Minimize that appearance closest to the glass.

Yeah. So, yeah, so, I mean, it's an internal feature issue. Yeah.

Oh, no, I meant exterior-wise in the evening what it's going to have on the impact. Because we're not seeing really any night renderings to see what happens.

You've got to pay entry for that. Yeah, so you're talking about...

I think her scope was two daytime renderings and...

Well, it's an effect.

I mean, it's just, again, there are many practical issues, like how do you finish the side of that element that is between that and the windows? But then, you know, you'll see it through. There'll be kind of transparency on the sides. And in that area associated with the mezzanine, you're going to have like the shadow of that, you know?

Yeah, you'll start reading that mezzanine.

It would be kind of a party pooper if you look at it that way. And it seems like there's some water intended to be there, so that's also, you're looking for trouble when you bring water in there. But, yeah, so that's something to consider. It's more like a friendly comment. It's not... And then, you know, I see you're using like a long span structural system to try to reduce the amount of columns and create all kinds of challenges for the mechanical ductwork to pass through. Yes, of course, of course. Okay.

So the height of these lower sliding doors is currently what?

Fourteen foot six.

Fourteen six. On the first floor. On the first floor. But that leaves like a cluster of light, some sort of additional panel above that? Is that what I'm seeing on both the front and the back?

There's a clear story that is three feet two inches. Yeah.

And that's just dictated by the height of the...

Correct, yeah, so there's a maximum extension behind that as well, so keeping that in mind, and then providing a kind of well-disciplined glass.

Right. Just curious, do you have a glazing engineer doing the specialty engineering for all the glazing? Yeah, so Prestige has an engineer... Using their in-house guy. Correct.

So they're assisting us with tails, with... the orientation and obviously the layout of those.

The front door is also 14 feet?

I believe it's 12 feet.

On the front it seems like the glazing is also 14 feet to match the glazing. The glazing, the door itself is that dark thing in the middle, right?

Yes. It also has the same black so it looks like

Is that an aluminum cladded door?

It's, yes, aluminum.

Pivot?

It's a pivot door, correct.

Interesting. Very nice. Okay.

Yeah, because we're looking at these details.

You have provided additional details for the glazing, and that's a very interesting detail. And, of course, you've got the mock-up here of the intention of the sliders.

Nice.

Yeah, so this is the sample of the spire here. They kind of plated this with wood, so they encased the framing. But you can kind of see the general basics of how it works. And then our woodwork here is similar, but it's going to have the same, like, aluminum plating on the exterior instead of this wood that you see here, right? So on the elevations, you can actually even see how that affects the aesthetic of what that looks like on the inside, right? You're going to have a... still in the header structurally, and then you're gonna have also on the end, you're gonna have new columns. There's certain spans of areas that we can get to. So you'll see that we do have some intermediate center columns, some HSS columns.

But for the most part, they use the thinness of this column.

Go back to the detail that you were showing us for the window. Just a few questions about that. So in the bottom eyebrow, you're showing something called surecrete, sure stamp, wood plank, pattern concrete. So is it wood or is it concrete?

So it's a concrete that's stamped to look like wood.

Stamped to look like wood.

Similar look. That company has several different applications. They have a spray version. They have a trial-on version for different applications. They allow you to do it on the wall, on the ceiling, on the flooring, and you just stand

So your intention is that you're applying this to the concrete eyebrow that you poured and removed the forms, and you've got a concrete eyebrow, and then this goes on top of that.

That is not specifically the product. Let's just look at the aesthetic.

Yeah, exactly. But the product is, what, three-quarter inches?

Yeah, it's a little thinner. It's a little thinner.

So it's applied like stucco and then you put a form on it just like stamped concrete.

Got it. Yeah, so again, these are concerns of technical qualities and performance long term, right? Because you want this house to age properly, right? We're in a very tropical environment with a lot of water. So whatever you put there, which is not going to be, it's not stucco. I mean, the way the drawing shows now, it's almost like if you're applying a layer of stucco, but it's actually a panelized system. So you're stamping the concrete as you're pouring it? You're stamping it, and that's the end result of the product? No, no, no, no.

You pour the concrete, and then this is something that's applied onto it.

It's similar to stuff, but it's not.

While still plastic, they apply the forms and press it just like the pressed concrete, just like the stamped concrete.

Have you seen this used in canopies like this in South Florida before?

No, this is actually South Florida.

Because typically it's for like a driveway or a terrace or something like that. Because it's kind of seamless. It goes into the vertical thin thing, and then it comes to the bottom as well.

Right, yes.

It's like a magic trick.

Well, I actually just saw a building in Tampa, a hotel, that uses the same detail. No, no, no, I draw it like this, but it's the same stamp.

But on three sides of the elements?

Yeah, you can see they different corners.

Because there is a coordination of all this to make it all come together properly. Absolutely. And one magical act. I want to be there. Invite me, please. Yeah, so that, yeah, because, you know, again, in my practice, we do similar elegant, fragile things, and there's always a concern of how you finish it, right? You know, stucco, everybody says, no, don't do stucco because it cracks, the water gets under the stucco, and then it becomes an issue. But it could be that that applied stamping solution may have a similar problem. It'll probably crack, water gets through it, and then the water wants to go somewhere. It's sloped, so the water's going to go to your edge. And then your edge is going to look very, very nasty in about three or four years, maybe. I don't know. Those are concerns about performance of the beautiful, exquisite detail.

I actually had the same question, but it was actually for the roof detail, if you scroll up to the top of how it ends.

Yeah, up there, it seems like she's feathering it to the concrete slab, which probably has a fluid-applied roofing solution, like a Tremco product. Yeah, so that's going to be a challenge. Because you're transitioning that product into your roof, right? So that's, yeah, another magic trick. So, I mean, I've seen this succeed when you do like a whole precast element that you pour this thing in a control environment as a precast element and then you kind of come and then. fascinating to the building. It's just that, you know, that is more of a commercial detail for a commercial building, perhaps, and requires other kind of detailing. I mean, the detail is so clean and so unique and innovative, right? That's why we're thinking through it with you, because it's not something that you've done in 15 projects before. I mean, I know the Brazilian architect probably has done it in Brazil, right? But the magic in Brazil is different than our magic here, so that's always an issue. But in the ideal world, you mock this up and you test it and all that stuff, right?

Why not do this as part of the structure, as part of the formwork for the structure?

Yes. So the PT slab within this element that you were cutting this section?

It would be on the floor slab. It kind of ties into this, so we have to be very... That's interesting.

So you have potentially PT slab, then you have some kind of Hambrow structural system, like the long-span joists. Right, yeah.

So we originally designed together with the Hambrow system...

Yeah, and with all this, you end up with a second floor that's about 8 feet, 6 inches in ceiling height?

Yes. This is the worst-case scenario. This would be worst-case scenario.

Yeah.

And 7'6 in the mezzanine? 7'6 in the mezzanine, yeah.

A bit tight, but I guess it's cozy. Okay.

I guess it doesn't really affect the facades. My thought was, is there potential for the thickness of those slabs from finish to finish to minimize in your showing worst case?

Yeah, it's

wouldn't necessarily change. What's going to help us with is MEP. It's going to help us with a lot of the systems coming through.

Out of curiosity, again, are you using a waterproofing consultant to review these details and get feedback? Yeah, yeah. I think that would be smart because this is real innovation. This is cutting-edge innovation for sure. And the success of these kind of innovative details is a long-term performance, you know. and how our environment with all the NOAs and all these regulations affect this innovation. Jose, are you in the Zoom? Could he hear me?

Yes, he's talking, but I...

He's muted? I just wonder if Jose has any questions or comments. You remember Jose?

Yeah. Jose, if you want to text me.

We can't hear you.

Yeah. He's doing it now.

Anybody else in the Zoom besides Jose? Any neighbors in the Zoom or just...

Okay.

You guys have more questions as we wait for Jose to connect?

The roof is a massive volume, and you only have mechanical in the small area shown here. And is there any consideration for resilience or any novel approach to handling stormwater or putting up PV or something?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We actually are in the middle of working with three levels of storm drains. We're just going to have a dual.

You're not spilling over, at least on the roof, okay? Your intention is to capture it all, yeah, okay.

Yeah.

So they're internal through the interior space. Reuse of water.

Well, you have a water tank, but that's, I don't know how that comes about, what's the functionality of that water tank, but you're showing six condensing units.

I think it's short on condensing units by the time...

the mechanical engineer is done. So just, I mean, I don't think the city is limiting you to the mechanical farm that you do on the roof. And I believe, and building official, correct me if I'm wrong, but the screening system that is around the mechanical is only allowed to be 42 inches railing height.

Yeah. Okay, so go ahead and ask your question, Jose.

Okay, so two small comments. One comment is the SureCreep. It is a product that is made for the application that she's presenting. I really don't have a problem with the SureCreep. Just in case maybe Reynaldo had never used it, it's a good product. So I just wanted to support her point. And then the second point that I have is, It's actually the size of the glazing on the second floor. When I'm looking at this view that we're seeing right now, the north elevation on the bottom, it shows these giant pieces of glass. You know, is the house really going to look like that? Someone makes that size glazing? Or is that just the rendering? And later on, there'll be a ton of mullions there.

So if that's eight or 10 feet, which I'm not sure, I was not able to read the height of that. That means that your glazing is also that each panel is about eight to 10 feet wide.

Does someone have product approval for something that large?

I couldn't hear the answer. Keep them on the speaker.

All the people who are together can talk to each other somehow. They're talking to each other.

Who else is there besides Jose?

We have Guillermo, Nunez, Yankee.

Did you keep him on the microphone? Because we're not hearing him.

Wow, okay. I don't have a problem with that.

Jose, the Titoni window product.

Okay, everybody who's on Zoom, just like if we can take a little break a second because we need to get you on record.

You want to identify who else is in the Zoom?

We're not, okay, hold on. I'm getting it through Jose's. Can we, is anyone back there?

Yeah, he's back there. Could you? Usually the Zoom would identify anybody else that's logged in, right?

There's Misha. Okay.

We thought it was the project team.

They're all able to talk to each other.

Could you put that on the speaker so we could hear that?

We can't hear you, so if you're speaking right now, can you give it a second so we can get your audio coming through? Yankee, whomever. Jose, please. Thank you. Thank you. They're working to get your audio in the room because right now we cannot hear you at all. Okay.

Okay.

There we go. You can hear us? We can now hear you.

Oh, good, good, good. So then now I believe that Jose can hear what Ineda responded. But, yes, Titone is the manufacturer who does that project, who does that product there. They're very expensive, but they have, like, high spams, and they're very weak material.

And please identify yourself for the record. Is this Pierre Monounes?

Yes, correct. This is Pierre Monounes. I'm the owner of Bus Construction Services, and we are the contractor.

Thank you. Okay.

Jose, I think you could be heard now in the normal speaker system here.

Great. Now, I only have two comments. My first comment is that the SureCrete, I have never used it, but I have the advantage that I'm sitting here and I will say where we check. It's a local company. It's a Florida company. And apparently they advertise all kinds of different products that give you this wood look. It's almost liquid applied. It's very interesting. I've never used it. I'll look into it more. But basically what we're being told, the way they want to use it, it seems like in their website they have the product for that. So I don't have a problem with that at all. And then my other comment was about the glazing, but I was told that the glazing may have somebody that can manufacture that size. Interesting. And I also had a comment, and you guys brought it up already. I was concerned with the coarseness of the ceiling height in the mezzanine because it's kind of difficult to see, but it's seven and a half feet. on a million dollar home like this. That's a little strange, but I guess you have the right to do that. So.

Yeah, because we couldn't exceed the building height. Obviously we have a maximum building height. And the owner, the client wanted like a cozy space. So he can play poker with his friends and have like a small area to sit down and have a drink with his friends. We expressed a concern about the height and said that that was the maximum height that was doable and he was okay with that.

I don't have a problem as long as you meeting the code. I'm just bringing it up because hopefully your client, like you said, he understands. If the client understands, fantastic.

Yeah, no, he does. I spoke to him personally, and he's completely understanding that it's not a very high ceiling on that area. It's actually quite small, but that's the maximum we could do it per the code.

Well, the house has come a long way since we last saw it. Thank you for listening to our suggestions about the cross sections. They really help. And now we can see that you don't have that exterior void space that you used to have between the first and second. So it really, the house has come a long way from the last time we saw it. And I'm okay with it. I don't have an issue with it.

Yeah, Nathan and the team worked very hard on the last couple of weeks through the holidays to get it done. You know, it's very important for a client. And I believe that we address all the comments from the last meeting.

Okay.

This product... What's the contractor's name? Guillermo? Guillermo. Oh, Guillermo. So this comes in five-gallon buckets, and you apply it as such over the concrete? The surecrete?

I have never used shotcrete, but I know that Anita has used it on other projects. But I know that it meets all the requirements, and it is a Florida product approved product.

I did speak to the company themselves, so I asked about the application type, especially on the underneath pieces. That's the part that worries me the most. That's why they have different application versions. They have a spray-applied and kind of more of a liquid-applied version for different sides of the massage. Yes, it is a little tricky, and it does need a lot of craftsmanship. I think that's the right word for that. But it is definitely something that they specialize in.

And are they the manufacturer and the installer or just the manufacturer?

I'm sorry?

The product manufacturer and they do the installation or it would be a separate? They can also do the installation.

Got it. Probably. Okay.

Yeah, so, I mean, I've used the product in a vertical surface, right? The horizontal always creates other challenges, the way, you know, the environment behaves. I'm in their website. I don't see any single-family home. Like, usually they have, like, a gallery of images to see. Because, you know, I think in this house, how that performs becomes super important. I know you know that. And, you know, there's another system that Stowe prepares that is a very thin system. And it's a little... Is it Powerwall? The STO system, they apply it. It's got more mechanical flexibility, you know, for avoiding the cracks, you know.

Yeah, I've used that system on a single-family home in Boynton. It's called STO Powerwall. So you have, like, different patterns, and it's Florida-rated as well. It could be an option.

I mean, my concern is that this product, as shown here, is more for a slab, you know, and a terrace and a, you know, something like that than on an eyebrow. How does it perform both on the top, on the side, thin, fragile edge, and then return? back to the underside, how all that gets applied. It's all in the application, right? And how the product will perform long-term. And again, I see now system images here that look like wood planks, and it seems like that's the texture that you're shooting for. Yeah, because, you know... Brazilians don't like IPE because in Brazil there's too much IPE being used already and it leads to a lot of maintenance, you know.

Yes, you're right. Contractors don't like eBay as well.

Yes. So I think this has the aspect of durability and performance and aesthetics that I think you're thinking of. It's just, you know, our system here, our process doesn't allow us to sort of say, okay, look, build a mock-up and we'll come to the site and see it. I don't think we have the right to say that, right, Susan? No.

No, but you guys are more than welcome to. I mean, like the end goal is to have like a beautiful product for our client. And we would be happy to consider using store or anything that will meet both architecture and, you know, performance requirements.

Yeah, I'm not suggesting to change the store or anything like that. I mean, if you're going in this direction, you know, it would be nice to see how this thing would be applied and so on eventually, but... You know, the architecture depends on how these minimalist elements are executed. The glazing is exquisite. I mean, Titone is a dream system. So happy that you're able to afford it for this project because we don't have enough examples of Titone.

Not all the clients can afford that one.

Yes. But it's a beautiful system, and, you know, you get a lot of width, and the track system is Italian-made, so it's amazing. So... At this point, Jose, to close you out on Zoom, any closing statements, Jose?

No, no. Listen, you know, I was concerned with the design, you know, how they build it. I'll leave it up to them. There's a lot of challenges. I'm building this house, but Pierre should be an incredible builder, right? The house has a lot of little challenges that I see, but that's not, I don't know.

Yes, definitely. I will probably spend the next two years over there.

Yes. The craftsmanship, I think, as the AOR argued that note, is going to be important.

Yeah, we're doing another house in Hollywood that's a 17,000 square feet house that's about as big as that one for another Brazilian client. You guys are more than welcome to come and visit what we have put together in the last 11 months, right, Eneida? Eneida is the architect of record on that one. So it's come a long way. A lot of challenges, but it's doing great so far.

Yeah, that would be great to visit that because we're always learning in this environment, especially when you're trying to do something that is not the normal solution. You know, like I'm looking at your roof and I'm looking for roof drains, and you're still too early for that.

But it's all internal. The water system is going to be all internal as it is on the other house in Hollywood, right, Aneida? Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. So, I mean, you removed the nanowall system. You just left one glazing system. I think that was the big move that was, I think, fantastic. And I think that's what Jose was referring to. And, of course, the poetry and the architecture with the reflectivity of the glass and the clean lines and all that, I think, is beautiful. You know, I think that... It's a contribution to South Florida modern architecture in the tropical sense here. So, you know, again, it's just we're questioning because we want to make sure that this is a great success, not just now, but as it gets, you know, inhabited by your client and his family. So, yeah. Additional renderings are fantastic. I see that the alignment of the mullions of the system on the second floor are not the same at the ground floor. I'm fine with that. I know the difficulty of that. Exactly. Yeah. So, you know, in the most minimalist way, those lines should come down, right, with the same width of panels and all that. But we know, you know, that perfection sometimes is impossible. Yeah. Any further comments from the board? Any questions? We do have comments from Nneka Logan. She is a local resident. And just for the record, I mean, her main concerns is sort of this sort of magic trick of having a mezzanine and, you know, The fact of the matter from a zoning point of view is that the house could have this same height without a mezzanine. So the mezzanine is just something internal that we're not supposed to have a lot of opinion about as an ARB board. But that's one of the concerns is really how you deal with the bulk, the height, and so on. But the zoning reviewer for this that works for the city has approved this. It's in compliance with all the zoning criteria. The parking issue is another concern that she has about having one car garage. And, you know, these modern families sometimes don't have a lot of cars. And when they're in South Florida, maybe they used Ubers or drivers or whatever. So it doesn't seem to be a concern from a practical point of view. And the code allows one car, so, you know, you're code compliant, right? And let's see what else she has here. Yeah, the garage, she says, is unreasonably small. You know, so just for the record, has nine bedrooms. She's concerned because, you know, it's high occupancy, but I'm sure they have a lot of children and perhaps visitors that may not have their own car and, you know. So this is another one. Oh, I'm sorry. It's a three-dimensional document.

It goes on to talk about the equipment pad, the artificial turf. A lot of these are really enforcement. So they, per the plans, are doing regular turf, natural turf. So if they were to switch out, it's really an enforcement question. And then, yeah, that's basically it. In the event that she does listen to these recordings, I know she's not on now, this second half of the page talking about the reflections, the large trees, the setbacks, and the turf are all comments that are relevant to this group. But a consistent thing that the whole first page is... often outside of our domain. So they're really questions that if you have serious concerns about, take them to the zoning, the city staff, and these need to be amended in the zoning if they're real concerns with the community. So we hear you, but it's not within our control so long as they're meeting the zoning requirements, which they are.

Mr. Chair, if I might also add to that, condition 12 of the item before you this afternoon is always in our certificate of appropriateness approvals, and I'll just read it out loud. Zoning and flood-resistant design review information included in this approval and the backup report consist only of a preliminary review. against the basic intent of the village's zoning code and Florida building code chapter 16 requirements. Complete review and compliance with the village zoning code and the Florida building code shall be required prior to permit approval. So it is the case that you are not the board that is the zoning board, and it's also the case that this is just a preliminary review at the time that you see it. And so just wanted the record to be clear about that.

But if there was a material change in the plans, in the process that affected our domain, it would return to us for review. Just for point of clarification.

Yes. And it's had to come back in other occasions.

Correct. Yeah, any significant issue. In fact, we've seen now glass rails along the seawall and they come back to us. That becomes a thing because people have children and puppies that could drop into the water. So that's become an issue. I don't see that here. I also, for the record, the landscape plan that you have only says large palm, large tree, you know. I don't know if there's a requirement to be more specific with the species of the actual trees. Is that something the city looks at, as you said? No. Well, there's a legend here, right, with letters. Okay. The illustrative site plan is the one that has just large tree and large palm. Let me see. There's a plant list that I see. Yes. Yes, with all the specificity. I know in the past, Public Works has had issues with what gets planted in the front.

And this was reviewed and discussed in the prior submission, but not changed in this submission? None of the landscape plan has been amended?

No, that's not been amended. Okay. So I think you got gumbo limbo's and all the other local plant materials that are normal in this context, fully irrigated. So yes, so any further discussion before we take it to a vote? No? Motion to approve?

I motion to approve.

Any public comment?

Oh, yeah.

I don't see any, but I just want to be sure.

There's no more emails. Okay, thank you. Public comments? I motion to approve.

Second. Okay. All those in favor, say aye. Aye. Good luck with your project, and we'd love to see the evolution of this canopy in the future. And if we could visit this other project, some of us would be interested as well. So thank you. Thank you for the good work. Okay.

Thank you for your patience. Thank you so much, guys. I appreciate it. I'm going to send you guys the address for the other project.

That would be wonderful. Thank you.

Eliezer, if you can share me their emails, please, so I can send that over. Thank you very much, guys. Thank you. Thank you, guys.

Appreciate it. We'll see you next time. Thank you, my friend.

All the best. See you guys. Wait, wait. Jose, don't hang up. Okay. We have one. It's kind of like a discussion item. This is on the – I've given you – and Jose, in the agenda that was sent is the calendar for this year. We just need to approve it, and there's a couple dates that we need to look at. One would be on the – April meeting that falls in Passover, so we probably would like to change that because no work is permitted in that time. So if we can look at April.

choose another date possible okay so looking at the calendar here you guys could wrap it up we're just going to do some housekeeping here thank you this is the boring part of the meeting yes thank you thank you um so i'm looking at the schedule and actually this was right He's been staring at me. So the only concern there is April 2nd, right?

Yes. So that falls in Passover.

Any other date in April?

Let me see. Let me look at this calendar over here. It's always the first.

If you could please step out.

Please step out. So the Passover goes until the 9th. So the Thursday the 10th is open. That's fine. And then all the other Thursdays. Oh, I'm sorry. I got you. Sorry, sorry. I looked like a little T. So like the, we could meet on Friday the 10th, but the 16th, and like Susan, how would you?

I can do the 16th. I can do the 9th or the 10th.

Likewise. Yeah, I'm good. So you want to say the 16th? Let me see what else.

Does that work for Amanda?

Amanda? Yeah. Yes. I'm totally open on that date. You okay? All right. So let's change that to the 16th. Then the other date would be, and it's not really a critical time. It falls under Sukkot, which is its limited work is permitted on that day. So I don't know if that makes a difference to anybody.

No. I mean... I could do other dates that don't conflict if this is a religious observation.

Actually, on the 1st, it's fine. But we need to bring it to your attention.

I mean, I'm okay with 1st or the second week of October as well. I have no idea what I'm doing in October at the moment, so... You know what you're doing in October?

I have lots of holes in my calendar, so I think we're good.

We'll keep it to the first. Jose?

Yeah, apparently you might have my old email, the JG, but I sent you my most recent one, JGomez. I just texted over to you. Okay. Can you email me that calendar? Because I'm checking all my emails. I don't have that email from you. Okay. All right.

To recap, we just changed April 2nd to April 16th, and then we're discussing whether to change October 1st. Everything else falls into the normal pattern of the first Thursday at 1 p.m.

With August off.

And we take August off in the village.

What is March? What is the date for March?

March 5th, the first Thursday. The standard pattern is first Thursday at 1 p.m.

Is it possible that we get Excel calendar invites from you on these days?

Yes, once we approve it, I will send out a calendar invite to everybody.

Okay, that would be great.

I need to let the people who are doing closed captioning rate live right now. I'll send them the calendar for the year also.

All right. Should we bring the meeting to closure? Okay. I think I got it. Okay. Meeting has been closed. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, everyone. Thank you, Jose.

Thank you, guys. My apologies for not being there.

No, let me check on the e-mails. So that's probably what it is.

Yeah, please.

All right. And if we can get our e-mails, I don't know how many of us are interested in the tour to learn because it's an educational tour. So just be careful.

It would be a good idea to see those products.

This is just to look at a product. Recording stopped. It would not affect this project. It's just to learn. It's a learning moment.

I do understand, but you guys come every month as a sunshine board and discuss these precise things and apply them in this capacity. You could do it as a meeting. And then it has to be open to the public.

I have a two, my scooter is a two-seater, so no problem. Yeah, no, I, yeah, sunshine. Well, the quick solution is that we each visit independently. That's the easy way.

You can't go to,

We need you in the White House, Susan. Sunshine. There's no sunshine in that lawn. There's too much sunshine.

All right.

And thank you, everyone.

Thank you, guys.

All right. Bye, everyone. Take care, Jose. Bye-bye. See you. Thank you.

You got that already?

Well, it needs, I guess, a magic touch.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.