Town Council - Regular Meeting

Please rise for the pledge.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. We'll let the record reflect that Mr. Farley's absent, all other council members are present.

Pastor Brown, would you like to start us off?

Let's pray.

Father, we give you thanks for another day. Father, we thank you for our freedom. All the blessings you give us, not only as a nation, but as a community. Father, I ask for your guidance for the meeting tonight.

prior meeting minutes from the 22nd of June, special meeting prior to the council meeting that happened over at the library building.

I make a motion we accept the minutes.

All in favor?

Aye.

And then we have minutes for the council meeting, the same date, 6 o'clock. I'll make a motion we accept those minutes. I'll second. All in favor? Aye. Aye.

Okay.

John, are you ready, or do you want me to go to...

I'm so sorry, I'm behind. No, it's okay. I had enough time to let my dogs out, wash my face, put some clothes on, and get up here.

It's all right. If you still need time, go to Jennifer.

I apologize.

It's all right. Jennifer, what do you have for us?

First of all, I just want to say a big thank you to Luke and Matt for getting the holds ready and Main Street ready for the... 4th of July. I did put a piece in your package that was actually in the recorder. So Stu came up and took pictures. So it looked really nice. So all that went real well. They still have to work on a few holes down on the other end of Main Street. And they're going to be replacing the white rocks on that. We are working with Jessica, who is the event coordinator for the Hudson and she came in and we were talking about doing a community event and one thing that we had talked with Roberta and they are willing to do a street dance this year. So yeah, so we're just in the planning stages right now, but the date has been set and that is August the 22nd on that Saturday at six o'clock. And then festival update Our trash boxes I see were delivered today. They look really nice. You guys have a revenue report in your packets. That'll just give you where we are today. We're still working and placing vendors. We're working on our advertising. Shine 99 has started their advertisement. Reporter will be doing an ad for the 4-H. It's like a ribbon ad on the 4-H results. So we've got all that updated. That will be going. And then we'll be working on our commercials to get them for WIDC and WWKI. So unless you have any questions, Nipple Plate Express has already got things advertised on their end for the train lines as well.

Well, with the water utilities, we did the rounds, testing, monitoring, recording, collecting the samples. Our average daily use for the month of June was 72,581. Our water filter was back washed twice in June, on 6-9 and 6-25. Maeve's MRO has been completed and submitted to IDEM. Our VOCs and IOCs and nitrates have been collected for the year. All we got left is our lead and copper and TH85s, which we can't run and do until August or September. You and Matt dropped off, dropped 13 at the body shop this morning. It's down there right now getting work done, which I think the estimate was fair because I brought my truck there to see if they'd fix my rocker panel and they were $900 left for a rocker panel compared to what they're doing to our whole truck. Wow. Single stage paint. I don't know, but they did my truck. But, yeah. Uh, started for water, wastewater utilities again, did Brown's collecting the samples, recording them, including. Our daily average influence usage for the month. At the lift station was 111,178. Which you kind of see that came down a little. I know we had a little dry weeks there in June, so I don't know how to really say anything about that. For July so far, for 13 days, our influent usage is 122,610, but that also came with over two and a half inches of rain so far this month. I don't know if that's good or bad, but I think it's came down a few. I'm just trying to average it with something I can average it to. The MRO and the DMR are complete. They have been Submit it to the EPA and IDEM for the month of June. ART, give a few estimates there. I know they're kind of confusing, but I had them itemize them better. There's three manhole covers that were missed when they were doing lining through the whole town and one manhole cover that they completely missed. But the three that they missed, they're all in the new I don't know about housing and development out there. And I guess they weren't done because of construction.

I think the gas station was in progress at that time. I'm not sure. And so they, I remember that being something that we talked about eliminating from the project until they made those connections.

But there was three out there. There were 2,000. I don't have the sheet in front of me. I'm sorry. 2118 per. Each. Yeah. For each manhole. And there's three out there. And then there's one. down the road here in a grassy alley that they completely missed. It was highlighted on our map stating that they hit it and it was not hit.

So they're gonna do that one at no cost, I see.

Yeah, there's no cost on that one. And then there's three repairs to flaking that need to be done. They said they weren't prepped properly. Okay. That's not the number I remember.

That's just where the water stands in front of Chris.

They said they needed, well, let me go over that one, okay. But anyway, they said that they would fix the other manholes for free and they'd charge us for them here at the time, so I'm going to have to leave that up here now. The other estimate was for the aeration basin. They said it was, they had to charge more because of safety issues. And I don't know, I was thinking, I remember I don't know if you're looking for that texture paint or what you're looking at, but Rhino Lighting used to paint houses and guarantee it for life. I remember that. But that was a few years ago, and I wonder if they still do that. And I haven't had time to look it up.

I don't care, personally, if it's textured or not. I think we were looking for something that was pretty elastic that could be a fluid-applied flashing, basically, from that tank to the roof. So...

Yeah, I thought that was kind of high.

Yeah, and I mean, I don't even know if the whole tank needs done. I think it's probably masked off a band around there.

It needs pressure spray. Sure, sure, sure. Absolutely.

Yeah, but $36,000 seems a little steep. That's not the number I remember.

I think in my head they were sub 10, but I thought that was a little salty myself, but I Moving on to Perky's heating and cooling, the estimate, it's the same estimate, the 10-year warranty on the Mississippi City split, mini split, seven years on parts and one year on warranty. The only thing that's not warrantied or guaranteed are the frittering, the lines, which our lines are only like 15 foot, so that's something.

That's for heat and air, or just air.

Yeah, that's a mini splitter. They'll have both. And next, IPW was here last June 30th. They pulled the flight pump, put the new one in. I called them. They sent it off to the machine shop. They haven't got no prices back yet for the bearing or the propeller in there. So it's kind of still up in the air. Had to call BL Anderson in last week. I think one of our truck recorders got hit by lightning. It was totally blacked out. I had the input board that's fried and I have it out in the truck and he believes it was hit by lightning. I had him put a surge protector on it. I guess that's the one meter that you guys have been having problems with. I wasn't aware. I don't know. OFF AND ON FOR THE YEARS.

I WAS AWARE OF ANY PROBLEMS, BUT THAT'S WHAT IT'S OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING WE'RE REQUIRED TO REPORT.

SO SEAN SAID, WELL, IT'S FOR OUR DISCHARGE. YEAH, YES. EVEN INITIAL ON THE CHART. SIGNED OFF ON THE Okay. Let's move. The French train on Main Street, we just haven't been able to get to that yet. One day we planned it, it rained until like 1, 2 in the afternoon. Another day we planned it, IPW for our lift station showed up unexpectedly. Another day we planned it, one of us had a news problem. IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE NOT DOING THAT.

IT'S STILL ON THE SCHEDULE.

IT'S STILL ON THE SCHEDULE. WE REALLY HAVEN'T GOT TOGETHER TO TAKE CARE OF IT. BUT, YEAH, HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE IT DONE. IT WILL HELP US TO DO A DRIVE THE NEXT WEEK. IT WAS HOT ENOUGH TODAY.

ALL RIGHT.

WELL, LET'S MOVE.

backwards through the list here. So this Perkins quote, as I recall, this is quite a bit less than the other quotes that we received, and now we've clarified the warranty.

I'll make a motion to accept that quote from Perkins. I'll second.

All in favor? Aye. Aye. I don't think that it's even worth entertaining this aerator tank deal. I think we need to look at some other options there. And if somebody else thinks differently, I think that's very unreasonable. All good? All right. The lining of the three remaining manholes for $6,354. This was... not done before they're the three that weren't done in our in our sewer project they were intentional i think one might have been missed but left off of the project accidentally but two others were intentionally omitted because of the gas station and now that that's built it seems like a good time to do it they've made all their connections

Does that seem reasonable?

Yeah, I believe in the product, too. I mean, and it seems like they're standing behind it, too, if they're, you know, there's only a couple of failures and we've got 80 some odd manholes, so that's pretty decent. And they're coming back and fixing it. I'll make the motion to accept the bid for the manhole covers. All in favor? Aye. ART manhole lining. All right. Do you have a chance to look at this inquiry for wastewater connection across the county line?

Yes. I even brought my witch from home and witched it all. They have a They have water. It looks like the water is ran. There's no meter in the pit. I found the meter pit and everything. It looks like there's a service line to the trailer. I stuck my head under a few holes in it to see if it was connected. I couldn't see anywhere it was connected. I believe there's a super lateral there connected to our collections, but I can't guarantee that. All I can do is say it's a solid line, and every time I go past the collections, it's not there no more. But it could be clay tile. It could be collapsed by now. There could be lots of issues with it. But I couldn't see where it was connected to the trailer either.

If that's a segment that was lined, we'll have video of that.

We've got a thumb drive with video of that. Yeah.

So one of those has videos on it, and they mark footage on those videos. So I wonder if we could correlate it that way. It's not on the map as a lateral, but you think there's one there? We could probably verify it. Yeah.

it runs straight to it and when i go out around back which and i can't find anything for a septic tank or anything systems or anything like that so i'm really positive that there's already a sewer lateral there but like i said i poked my head under the trailer because there's lots of little spots to look in and i don't see no connections well if there's already one there for that property they wouldn't even have to pay to connect

as I read the ordinance.

They just need to find it. Mr. Castle, David Castle is here this evening. I'll let you guys finish. All right. Do you want me to say anything?

Sure. Yeah. If you wouldn't mind. Yeah. Thank you for meeting with me. I think what you guys are talking about is there is a meter pit there. Okay. But the line, when you guys ran the new water line, they did not run the line to that meter pit. They just didn't connect it. So I think that's the bigger problem is there's no line from the actual new water line. to the pit and then my dad can't finish it off under the trailer because there's no water running.

I opened it up and the air shot up and so did a little bit of water when I opened it up. So I'm figuring it was, I didn't let it flow.

Let's see if you can get it to flow. I will say it.

I didn't go back and see if I can get it to flow into the pit.

Connections that have been disused or abandoned for long periods of time, it also wouldn't be outside the realm of possibility that we would eliminate them in the course of a project just because it's a potential leak point, right?

I completely understand what you're saying, but my father's been paying taxes on that property. He's never abandoned the property.

But he's not a utility customer. What's that? He wasn't a utility customer, though.

I believe he was before the guys ran the new line. My grandfather owned that property until 2006, and he was living there. And then my father took over that property, and he was there mowing the lawn, watering the plants. and then when they ran that new water line is when that got disconnected. He asked the previous superintendent. The previous superintendent said that somebody had made it abandoned, and he never was given notice of that, so he asked about it. The previous superintendent said he would contact the city council and ask about it, and months and months and months went by, and now I understand he's no longer here, and you find people, so I'm trying to figure this out for my father so we can try to get this property up and running so we can actually move in there.

Okay. Well, we'll do some looking into it to see what's actually there. And then if it has been disconnected, we'll have to look at some work through the legal angles there.

Sorry to cut you off. As far as the sewer line, there is no sewer connected to it. He had attempted to do that, and they were denied saying that they will not allow city sewer to be on county over on Tipton County side. So there was an old septic system, but we obviously want to upgrade that to sewer. So that's why we're asking to figure out. The avenue we need to take in order to hook up to city sewer. And that's those are the 2 questions that I have.

So the property immediately to the West. So that's the property. If I was to go up Broadway Street until it tees, it's kind of to the east.

Yeah, so it's like right there on the corner. There's that big old willow tree there. It has a trailer on it. Yeah, that's my fault.

So I believe the house that is at the T within the last five years has been allowed to connect wastewater. I believe what they had to do, though, is I think they put in a grinder pit and then bored people. a two-inch line over to a nearby mantle.

For sure.

Which I think there's one at that intersection in there. I can't remember.

And we're not asking for that to be eaten up by the city. We're willing to pay for the city for the sewer. We just want to know the avenue to get there.

Yeah. So, yeah, there's probably a way to do it. We just need to do a little more investigating, I guess.

I'm already in contact with Jennifer. Would there be one lift station there with a grinder pump?

No. The property owner would have their own little... grinder pump unit that all their wastewater would go into. Just a two-inch. Like a, okay, maybe I'm not familiar with what you're talking about.

Yeah. It's probably something like that. I'm not exactly sure. I'm open to any suggestions. For sure. Yeah.

after after we're done with this meeting i'll be more happy to meet with you and then i'm always i'm in contact with jennifer already so and uh i'll see if i can't within this next week to do a little bit of investigating of some of the video footage we have see if maybe we have anything that would indicate a prior wastewater connection there so he you did say you did see some air and water did you hook up a meter to see if if there was no there just wasn't a meter in there right so i turned it on and it was spinning

okay and shooting air out well when it's abandoned for a long time yeah they get air right and so i just turned off before i got wet okay i mean it's not that i'm scared of all right no yeah and uh i really think there's some kind of sewer lateral in your yard unless that's your finger system from your septic going out in your front yard there used to be two properties there and then the one got destroyed next to the willow tree

and my grandfather tied into that many, many, many, many years ago. I don't want my dad doing that because I don't think it's code anymore. So I want him to do it properly so that way I have no problems in the future.

Okay. Let us do a little bit of investigating, and then Mr. Nick Barb will get in touch with you.

Thank you.

i look forward to working with you guys thank you thanks okay uh any other questions for john all right luke do you have anything tonight yeah i don't have a report but i got some stuff here um so the code and parcel code enforcement I think I issued four tickets. One of those was a rooster. They have about five more days to get rid of it if they haven't already. I don't know if anybody's heard of it lately. And then there was a complaint about cats on the south end of town. So I placed a call with the Indiana Department of Health. They're out of fishers. His name is Mr. King, and he's going to. He's going to come up because trailer parts and campgrounds. Have a different set of numbers, so. So that will be the state that deals with that. And he's pretty quick last time. but he was also under the impression that the problem was solved last time. He said, is the problem back again? And I just said, I don't think the problem ever left. So he'll be coming out for that. That's the cat issue down there on the south. And then that's it for code enforcement. Streets. The air conditioner at the shop is out. We need a new unit. Last year, they were able to add Freon, and he told me last year, you guys need a new unit. I can add some Freon. And it lasted last summer. So around festival, it started to blow warm air again. And that was Mr. Perky. So

we get price from perky and maybe a price from the other contact info from this guy okay so with that can we get prices and steal the lowest one or do we need to wait for another council meeting I will say the guy that put this one in we had trouble with ours last year um with the firm's part of it and um

it was really hard to get a hold of him and it was just kind of like so we went two or three days without a furnace and yeah so can we do three boats and build could you go and build the little stuff well so here's my question so I don't know the age of that but what you got to watch with the air conditioning is some people will try to just replace that outside unit and use old refrigerant and, you know, make it all work. But it might, because of the age of it, make sense to do new with a new coil, new line set, new style refrigerant. But then, I don't know how old that furnace is, so I would at least want that checked out, too. Because, I mean, that's probably original to that building. When did that get built?

Do you remember?

I mean, I remember it sometime in the 90s, I believe. So I would just want to make sure that it's not just that outside unit.

Just don't put the Band-Aid on it.

Yeah. Because I think if we do that, the older refrigerants keep getting harder and harder to come by, and they get more and more expensive. And then if we had a coil failure and you weren't able to – know at a certain point maybe the the money we would spend now just on replacing that would cost us way more in the future if we had to replace both five years from now you know what i'm saying okay um dude one of you guys want to be my contact for that i can talk with you can call me okay i'll be around and it's just really hot up there i came up here to do paperwork

Yeah, so I just wanted to get it done.

Is there a motion to, do we want to do that, or do we want to set a special meeting? It's got to get fixed, as far as I'm concerned.

It's going to cost more than $3,000.

Yeah.

No matter what we do. That's what I thought. Where does that come out of?

If they have to put a new everything in there, it's going to be worth 10 grand. So probably, yeah, I would say

I think we get the numbers and then we'll talk about it.

We can set a special session.

We'll do that. Or even worst of all, we could just in an emergency, you could pull the trigger and then we could do it later. Let's try it.

We could set a meeting tentatively for... You think you could get quotes by Friday?

Yeah.

You want to just set a quick special meeting on Friday? I'll be around.

Sorry to do this over an air-conditioned week. No. I'll be at your office for the whole week.

We understand. You're soft. That building behind you. It doesn't cool. It doesn't cool.

It's the smaller part to the right. But it's still pretty small, right? Yeah. It's still a decent size. That's it's it's too big for a mini split. It's two offices on bedroom. Yeah, two offices, a meeting room, bathrooms, kitchen.

I don't even know. They're about 60 full barns, 68. Less than 100 bucks a month.

I mean, is it segmented? Does it have urns in it?

Talk to them about it. We just got a quote for $3,100 split for $3,141.

We've already got the furnace. I think that's probably cheaper. It's just a coil outside unit line set. That unit sits 10 feet away from the furnace, you know, just right on the other side of the wall. I don't know.

I'll bring that up to as well. Okay.

We said 6 o'clock meeting. All right. I'll be on for all week.

As long as there's 3 of us. Yeah, I'm available.

Thank you guys special meeting at 6 o'clock on Friday.

what is that 17 17 10 10 oh 17 sorry unless you want me to time travel okay on to the next thing the repair that was made on meridian

So last time I was very unsure with that. I didn't have enough time to check it out after it rained. Now I've checked it out after several rains. I don't know if anybody else has. I haven't seen it. Have you?

And what do you think about it? I'm not thrilled. Okay. So I don't know how much we're going to get out of them. Yeah. I...

I would try to put some time after a rain and it would be drained. During the rain is when it's holding. But is that too much to ask for? Like your street not hold any water while it's raining? Is that what it's supposed to do? I don't think it's supposed to hold any water. All my other spots in town that hold water were holding water when I did a check on the most previous rain, which was 7 tenths. And all those spots were holding water, this spot was not.

Whatever's there is deep. And some of what I'm seeing, it's when I'm walking at night. And so it's just seeing the reflection off the streetlights. So there's something there more than on the rest of the surface. But I don't know that I would say it's a puddle. But there's there's roller marks. And that's what it's settling in. So I'm just not. sure that I mean they've come back and repaired it once they build it out and paid some I just you know I don't know so based on the past several rains

hot ticket spots around town.

And we still own 40 grand. Is it 40? 44, 434. 44, 434. And 5 cents.

We either say, no, it's not ready or we pay him. It's time to do one of those two things.

Is it going to get any better? Oh, not on its own. I mean, if they come back and do it again, do you think they're going to make it better or is it just going to be as bad or worse?

I feel like it's as good as it gets right now.

I think overall we got a satisfactory job. There's some details I wasn't super happy with. I don't know if it's worth another conversation or not.

I don't think they're going to, first of all, I don't think they would want to come back again. They'll fight us on that. And second of all, I don't know how much better it's going to get.

And their job salesman has come to pass several rings, too. He's come out and taken pictures, sent them to me. What's he say about it? He's ready to give.

Well, I mean, I want to make sure it's done right.

But he's saying it's done right. He's sending me pictures. He's checking it, too, because I brought it up to him. So it meets their standards, it is?

Yeah, I don't... Like I said, I don't know that I would call it a puddle. It just... seems like it should be better than it is, but I don't know that it's bad.

It's on the north side of the street?

It's on Bogues. There was like, I remember, two little spots. But when I went and looked for them these past several rains, they weren't there.

So it's thinner than it was. Yeah, they're repaired up a lot. It got rid of the real bad spot.

I hate to not have it done perfect, but... You think everything else is good? Did they address this spot over here?

See, they put that on the aggregate company. And so the aggregate company is supposed to deal with that. What does that mean, though? Like where they bought their material from.

Sure.

Out of oil or something. I don't even know what it is. But to answer your question, I know nothing more about that than I did last meeting. they're responsible about their subcontract technically and it's not like when we pay them we can't still say hey you know what about this they'll come back they will for that for that they're more likely to come back that is correct i'm not saying they shouldn't be paid

yeah oh yeah that's what you're saying yeah absolutely 100 i think i don't know that we're going to get any better on this if there's an unanswered question that potentially involves mixed quality i would be i don't know that i would be prepared to vote to pay them that's where i'm at i would agree with that i agree it's up to you guys i think that needs to be addressed first i mean is there still is it notably different i haven't been back by there and actually like stepped out of the truck and looked at that it's still there okay they recognize there's a problem there obviously they passed the boots on the ground at the time did yeah

They brought it to me. I saw it, and they were like, hey, that stuff, I don't know if you've seen it or not, the stuff that's on Hopkins Drive. We called the aggregate company. They're going to send a quality guy out, and I saw and heard from this quality guy.

I mean, they're the ones ultimately responsible for the job, though, even if they got bad material. Mm-hmm.

I'd say we table that.

Can we, since this might be a matter of contention, can we get a vote to table this?

I'll make a motion that we table that until the... We've got a motion to table the paving pay application.

Second. All in favor? Aye. Okay.

Let us quote from a concrete, Nick Harris. For 2450, I have 2450 in my notes, but the other day he said 28. I'm sure if I reminded him and said, I think he said 2450, he would go there.

I thought about that after you said that. So I asked Luke to get quotes for these three manholes right here because the asphalt's chipping out away from them. We asked Ace while they were here to look at it, and they said their recommendation was concrete. And so then it's like, well, we have. an option for that so anyway he's come and quoted but he was saying 9 inches thick this is concrete under the street so I don't even know if he can get to 9 inches thick so that might change that number but I think it needs to be addressed before festival because if you look at those three they're a trip hazard and then the one down there a block south I noticed that one too the old fire station lot, have him look at that one too because that's crumbling around that pretty badly. And that's kind of a festival pedestrian area as well.

If he can do it by Friday, we can address that. Yeah, there we go.

So that's the only thing I thought about. I thought about that after the last time I talked to you about it. is that this is concrete down underneath main street so there's i doubt nine inches is likely you might get four out of it all right do you have anything else uh one more thing okay we have um our lanes

our lane at the sewer plant is much smaller than our lane at the water plant. So I'm talking more sewer plant when I ask for this. We can't get our backhoe turned to use our clamshell and rip stuff out. That doesn't even work good anyways. So I'm wondering if we can shop around at a rental company and rent a forestry piece of equipment and, you know, shred that stuff back. We're about to have paint done on one of our trucks, and it causes a lot of damage to our paint in that sewer plant because we can't go over any further because of the ponds.

It's talking around the south and the east side there. It's not on the south pond.

We've tried cutting everything at the base. It takes forever to hedge trimmers. It'll be too thick for the hedge trimmers. I've tried just ripping it out with the backhoe. Nothing works.

So what do they have as far as equipment?

I don't know. I'm wondering if I can go shop around and find something.

I mean if you had the right piece of equipment where we were talking working on it here and there for a week could probably get that cleared back and just clear it back several feet it's all like volunteer trees and bushes and stuff so

So then, but then, but then we'll have to rent a skid steer. See, you can do that by Friday too.

YEAH, I DON'T MIND YOU LOOKING INTO OPTIONS. I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WILL NEED TO BE ADDRESSED, AND IF IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO IN-HOUSE, THAT'S PREFERABLE TO HIRING SOMEBODY, I THINK. WHEN IS THAT GOING FOR? IT'S BAD.

AFTER THIS APPOINTMENT SOMETIME.

SOMETIME PROBABLY LATER THIS MONTH, MAYBE.

YEAH, HOPEFULLY. OKAY.

OKAY.

YEAH, LOOK INTO IT. LET US KNOW.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS FOR LUKE?

ALL RIGHT.

ALL RIGHT. THANKS. RICK, WHAT DO YOU GOT?

I'M HERE MAINLY BECAUSE I EXPECTED A LADY TO BE HERE ABOUT SOME FENCE. SHE NEEDED TO BE HERE TO QUESTION THE FENCING ORDINANCE. OKAY. LEAPER LADY? So I agree with a lot of what she has to say. So she's wanting to put a four-foot fence in the front yard. And there's one right south of it that's four feet tall. Danny Bozell's. Huh? Danny Bozell's. Danny's, yeah. Is that four or three? It's four. But I... I think we need to kind of adjust our ordinance.

What's it say here? Three foot. So we changed this to whatever the most common picket size was. It just hasn't been updated there, but we... Jennifer and I tried to find... Is it 42? I think we voted to change it to 42 inches. We did that at the same time that we voted to take away the cost for the permit for a shed under a 12 by 12. remember we did that at the same time and maybe also something with signs because i think by the book you have to get a permit every time you change the sign and i think we took that away too i think it's once you have a sign you can put whatever you want on it so do you know where that change in the ordinance let me look at my okay yeah I distinctly remember us voting on it as a plain commission and then voting on it as a council I just don't remember when I could probably look back through my stuff too and try to find it this is becoming a problem is as far as i remember that's the main changes that have happened here other than the couple properties that we've annexed that aren't on our zoning map yet and this has been a thing that jennifer and i have been working on kind of separately but pursuing different avenues trying to find somebody that can update our zoning ordinance and somebody that can update that map and uh you know Like your suggestion was American Legal Publishing, but they won't update what we've already got. They'll just host it for us, from what I understand.

I still think it should be four feet. Because you go buy something, it's four feet.

I think we made the change based on what was commonly available. But if there's four-foot panels that are available,

uh i don't think so i i really think that the main thing is that we enforce the vision clearance triangle and that's kind of the reason i want those fences low so that corners and alleys make sure that there's a vision clearance triangle which i think on the alleys is three five to ten feet and then diagonal And on the main, it's 15 to 20.

A four-foot fence, if you're sitting at that stop sign, do you have enough height for the car to be able to see? Well, that's why it was a vision clearance triangle.

Yeah, it knocks the corner out, so they can't go to the corner. They have to do it like a 22 and a half to clip it across. Either a 45 or make it a, yeah, I guess. Yeah. Okay, so they're wanting to do a four-foot fence, and your recommendation is that we change our ordinance to accommodate that for a front yard?

No, just accommodate everybody. I think it would be easier than everybody with the four-foot if you're just going out and purchasing something.

I mean, I'm not opposed to that. We'd have to do that at our next. We'd have to set a plan for this. It should be probably to pass that. I don't know what everybody else thinks. Maybe it's something we need to. look around or think about or whatever.

We already have four foot fences in town. So, yeah. So, I mean, we might as well just go ahead and do it.

And the premise of increasing it from three to whatever we did, I think it was 42, was to try to make it easier on people. You know, maybe it's fair to increase it again. Another six inches. When is our next planning commission? Is that the next meeting?

We're supposed to have them in Port Orleans Farms.

Well, we could set it before our next council meeting.

Then we can at least have it done before the end of the month for them.

So our next council meeting is the 27th. So do we want to do a planning commission meeting at 530? 530. Is that, do we have to have...

that change publicized before we vote on it, or we just talk about it in the Planning Commission and talk about it online?

What's the best way to do that? I'll give you an email tomorrow. Okay.

So in the meantime, what should I tell her?

Unless she wants to build a 42-inch fence, she's going to have to wait, I guess. 42 is okay, but she's going to have to wait if it's a little foot.

Is she back far enough from what you've seen or stakes out there?

Yeah, she should be fine as far as. I mean, she doesn't have a vision clearance issue even. Did they already start?

No.

In her backyard, six foot. Right. Inside, so she's fine. It's kind of tough when they see one right next to them to tell them they can't do it.

Yeah, I think Bozell's must have been grandfather. They had a real old fence and then it's been replaced because of some storm damage, but it was existing.

Another issue lately has been pools. So, by ordinance, it's pretty hard because if it's two feet or less, you don't have to have a fence. If it's above two feet but not 48, you have to have a fence around the pool that can't be climbed or anything like that with a gate that can be locked with a lock that you can only release at a certain height. If it's 48 and above, the walls of the pool serve as the fence and you have to make sure the ladders retract, put up so nobody can And that's a, I mean, it's kind of a scary thing to think somebody might, I know somebody who had a child. So there's some concern there. So that's one that's kind of been tough to try to make people understand. Again, especially when there's already something that exists that doesn't meet them. Is there a grandfather pool somewhere? I have no idea if it's grandfather or however it is, but there's one along that same street where the lady has a question. Greg Baber just applied for the permit. He's putting in a new pool. He meets the height requirement and he also has a fence around. Sure. So he's good. And I have, because of some of those things, I want to set up an appointment with the attorney to kind of review some of this stuff and talk about liability issues. Liability issues for fencing around a pool? As far as that being enforced or not being enforced and something happening. I can do some digging on that. Where that puts the town, what position it puts the town in.

It's difficult because people go to Walmart and they get one of those. inflatable ring pools that's 40 inches tall or whatever.

One lady said, well, it's just going to be my kids. I said, it doesn't matter to me. Yeah. So if we could set up a, I mean, it matters to me, but whatever. Sure. Neighbor's kid, your kid doesn't matter. Still concerning.

So they shouldn't be, but it happens where the neighbor's kid ends up in.

So other than that, I've got general inspection stuff going on for mitts. Anytime. Jennifer has copies of every permit I've written. Anytime. Sure. Anybody wants to look at that?

That's about all. We'll try to find, like I said, that separate either way. We've got a plan commission scheduled. We'll schedule it for the 27th at 530. We'll see what we can do.

Okay.

OF A PROCESS ISN'T IT SO THE PLAIN COMMISSION WHICH IS MOSTLY THE COUNCIL BUT WOULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE COUNCIL ESSENTIALLY THE COUNCIL COULD PASS IT WE COULD PASS THE SAME NIGHT OKAY OKAY WELL I CAN'T TELL WE'VE GOT ALL FIVE OF US HERE PASSED AT THE SAME TIME AND I DON'T SEE WHY WE WOULD IT SEEMS REASONABLE TO ME

anyway okay any questions for all right Mr. Fletcher yes yeah I request I drafted up two proposed audiences one to update the town plan committee commission to some of the updated requirements for Indiana law I know what's on the books right now is a bit antiquated for what it is now so I have that here I've emailed that proposed ordinance

So if they're according to statutes, then it would be regardless of how many members are on our council, town council, it's still three from the council?

That is correct. Okay. There was no caveats or distinctions here. I pulled it straight from Indiana law there. Okay.

um how are this the citizen members from outside of the from the unincorporated area how are they appointed that's b yeah uh what do you mean by how are they appointed like by town council or yeah is that is it by the town council is it by the playing commission is it by the council president by the council okay okay which that's the part where I think our current ordinance says a county judge or something yeah right and that's the antiquated provision they've made some changes as how towns and counties interact okay so they're just unincorporated but in our building jurisdiction it can be two members appointed by our council yes okay

okay and then you've got the citizen park board yes that as well it would create a new chapter and that creation is and the staggered terms and the like and All of that is for a town of this size, is different board structures based on.

I remember getting lost in IC 36, trying to figure it out myself. Yep.

So this is for a town of the size of Atlanta. This is what we're going for.

Okay. Anybody have any questions or any things you want to?

Well, the creation of the park board. Mm-hmm. WOULDN'T IT JUST MAKE MORE SENSE TO HAVE THE WHOLE COUNCIL APPOINT THEM RATHER THAN THE PRESIDENT?

THAT PARTICULAR LANGUAGE, LET ME DOUBLE CHECK. I REMEMBER THAT COMING FROM THE STATUTE THAT AUTHORIZES THAT.

JUST BECAUSE IT ALSO DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT HOW TO REMOVE

CAN INCLUDE LANGUAGE ON THAT WE WANT THAT I MEAN I MEAN IF IT'S NOT IN THERE HOW DO YOU DO IT RIGHT YEAH SO THAT'S FAIR LET ME GET ON THAT THEN SO YOU WANT TO TABLE THIS ONE THE PART ONE CAN I HATE TO DO IT SURE CAN I INTRODUCE THE PLAN COMMISSION ONE SO IT'S AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC REVIEW THAT'S YEAH ALL RIGHT ORDINANCE NUMBER 2026-07-01 AN ORDINANCE ADMENDING CHAPTER 150 PLAN COMMISSION THIS HAS TO DO WITH MEMBERS OF THE PLANNED COMMISSION.

IT WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC REVIEW UNTIL OUR NEXT COUNCIL MEETING.

OKAY. WELL, THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. HARR?

MAYBE THAT COULD SAY APPOINTED AND Subject to removal by. Subject to removal by. Let me. Whether it's the president or whether.

Yeah, I don't know what we constitute. I don't know. I suppose we should have a provision that would allow for that.

I mean, I'm never opposed to being thorough. Sure. Absolutely. So let me see what's being done and what's the proper method for that. Okay. Thank you.

all right uh we talked about the asp app library we've got a quote from mayhem construction and we had our previous one from i don't remember who it's workhorse workforce so the reason this came in minutes before our meeting here i spent some time over there a couple different days with uh a door and trim uh estimator, looking at all the details there. There was a day that they called and asked if I would be able to go over there with them. Anyway, spent significant time, found a bunch of stuff that seemed like it would fit the building. He didn't get those numbers to Mr. Mahan by our meeting tonight. So Mr. Mahan found everything through other means, and that's why we were IN RIGHT BEFORE THE MEETING. BUT THIS PRICING SHOULD BE, SHOULD REFLECT EVERYTHING WE TALKED ABOUT, SHOULD BE TRIMMING DOORS THAT FIT THE BUILDING, BE BUILT ACCORDING TO OUR PLANS.

well you're looking over that JW from the elevator company they were close by so they wanted to come and see how things were so Fred took them down there so they're just waiting on us

YEAH, I THINK ONCE WE MAKE A DECISION, WE CAN MOVE ALONG PRETTY QUICKLY EITHER WAY. AND IF WE NEED TIME TO REVIEW ANYTHING, WE DO HAVE A MEETING SEPARATE FRIDAY. SO IT'S UP TO YOU ALL.

PAM, ARE YOU LOOKING FOR THAT OTHER QUOTE? I THINK IT'S 53. I mean, I think they're both.

Oh, here's the other thing. I don't know if workforce had this on here or not, but look around that building because of the graffiti and the other just markings and stuff.

Right.

he figured, and it's on here, to remove the shelving around the entire main floor, paint, and put it back. Which is what it's gonna take to paint all that. So otherwise you're trying to cut in. Oh yeah, you gotta take those off.

I think they're both qualified. I was more impressed with the workhorse guy WITH HIS KNOWLEDGE, WHICH KIND OF ISN'T FAIR BECAUSE THE OTHER GUY WASN'T HERE PERSONALLY. BUT I WAS MORE IMPRESSED WITH HIM, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A LITTLE MORE MONEY.

I WAS TOO.

YOU WERE TOO.

I THINK WE JUST GOT TO, AT THIS POINT, TELL THE TRIGGER AND GET IT DONE. EITHER WAY, PERSONALLY, IF I WAS GOING TO HIRE SOMEBODY, I WOULD HAVE HIRED HIM. but I know he only has $500 in there to remove and reinstall the shelving, which is more of a $500 job.

Well, give somebody a quote. Oh, I know. Oh, I know. I know. Mm-hmm.

Is there any...

paint two sections of the ceiling yeah that's those areas that had the uh the water damage is that gonna repairing the damage as well or that's what he's that's what he told me when i talked to him well he said give somebody a quote though he said pink he didn't say fix so like i said don't listen to me these are the two quotes you've got i know i We've got we've waited this long if we want to take another few days to try to clarify some things we can't. I just want to get done. Me too. We need to get it going. I've spent a fair amount of time on this so far. I know others have as well. So.

I agree with Murray taking everything down and then repainting it. Well, that's what you have to do.

I don't know what else he would charge.

I think if he gives a price on labor, that's what it's going to be. I think that where it might change is materials. If we wanted to change materials somewhere. And like I told him, for example, for the bathroom floor, quote, the most expensive thing. So he quoted doing tile, which is... On the floor? Yeah. A thousand bucks is ridiculously cheap, but... I THINK THEY WERE BOTH TALKING STARTING PRETTY SOON AFTER WE BUT THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION IS CAN WE NAIL DOWN A START DATE SURE I THINK BOTH OF THEM WHO ASKED THAT QUESTION BOTH OF THEM SAID THEY WERE BASICALLY STARTED IN JULY KIND OF A THING YOU KNOW CHEAPER SOMETIMES IT'S NOT I FOUND OUT BY THE Thank you. What's that budget line, Jennifer?

It is.

Is it that construction in progress?

It is. But by the time we take the rest of the elevator out of there, our remaining balance is going to be $66,061.86.

We got 66K and we got to try to still come up with flooring out of that. Whatever we're going to do there. Plus we need a couple exterior repairs, which actually I want to talk to you about. There's some soffit and trim around a window if you're interested.

We'll see. One thing is if somebody tells you they can be there tomorrow, you're probably not looking at somebody that's

Well, this guy's reputation.

I would typically say you're right. Yeah, how's that much work?

He does work for, he's done work for the Noblesville Fire Department. It's all really good work. I happen to go to church with him. And then he said the reason he has availability is half his time he spends farming, like, out in Nebraska. So he just kind of does both part-time and doesn't really fill up a calendar, just takes jobs as they come. So... Anyway, if we want to think on it for a few days, ask whatever questions need to be asked. Do we want to talk about this on Friday?

Sure. I want to get it done. It scares me a little bit to go with him, only because I don't know. I don't know either one of them. He seems to be more of a one-man job. He's not. He has a crew.

He's got at least a guy with him. So two of them. I don't know. He might have two guys at times. I'm not sure.

That was the one thing I noticed when we were talking to him. It seemed like he was more of a smaller crew. Yeah. I just don't want it to drag out forever.

It's definitely not a 10-man crew coming in there.

Have you guys, did anybody check references on the workhorse people? I mean, any jobs that they have done?

I checked with two people who've used them, and both of them said they were good. Yeah, one was an engineer, and another one was just a friend. So I don't know either way.

What do you think, Pam?

Are you pretty firm on the other end?

Of course.

Yeah, so am I. Thank you. Of course. My opinion.

So what happens if we, just curiosity here, what happens if we go over the money that we set aside?

Well, we've got a couple other places we can take it from, but... Go ahead.

Just utility operating? No.

No. We can use some in general because it will be, you know, a town hall. We can sue some as well.

Well, we also can use the money we have from selling the building down the end of the street.

Yeah, where's that?

That's just the end of town.

It just got receded into utilities?

Yes.

Did it split water sewer?

Yes.

Okay.

So that's another, what, 60?

I would like to see all five of us vote on that.

For the record, I'm pretty much to the point where I don't care. I don't have any doubts in Mayhem, but I don't care. I'm with you. I want to get it done. My concern is when you start talking about, like Workhorse was talking about, either way, we've got to nail down something for flooring.

Right.

And flooring can get quite expensive. And so where's that put us? And then just some of the other detail things that we haven't either made up our mind on yet or has been fully accounted for. And then what's, you know, like I think it's, we should have asked him while he was here, but it's pretty obvious that that place needs painted. Is he going to be a, hey, I'm going to charge you five grand to paint?

Or is he going to be a... How about we ask him that before Friday?

Okay.

Do you want to get in touch with them? I can get in touch with them, or you can. It doesn't matter.

Why don't you call them and at least get a price for painting that hole upstairs?

Okay. Just to have that included in there. And what was the other thing? Oh, taking the shell off. That would be a part of it.

Well, yeah. They've got to come off and get put back for that.

And then that ceiling. I don't think that was in his original quote.

The ceiling. And then he had talked about maybe quoting Woodford.

Well, I think he was talking about ripping that up and seeing what was underneath it. the wood floor that's underneath it and finish it now, which I don't know that I would trust that. I think it's going to be expensive. Yeah, I would do that. I would put something over top of it.

That floor says paint on the back here.

Painting. Is that for the old stairs? That's for what he builds in.

Oh.

How much is that? $2,700. $2,700? That might be the whole thing. I doubt it. I'll call him and get clarification. Let's do that before Friday. I haven't set a new one.

Okay, uh, let's see, we've introduced ordinances for the 1 ordinance. We're clarifying the other. Sewer adjust to.

Um, the old business skipped over the sidewalk on purpose.

Oh, yeah.

What is this sidewalks? Neil and I took a ride today for what seemed like hours. Ouch. Anyway, this map shows what the engineers did, I don't know, 15 years ago. The yellow ones being the worst, red next, and then blue. I think there's a green on there somewhere. those are they're ranked by numbers that little numbers by them low numbers bad high numbers okay um we drove around and we looked um and the two that i thought that really stood out that needed to be done were the one in front of your parents house over there murray okay to finish from nila's uh to to the corner to walton and then over here on the on broadway on the west side of broadway from the garage all the way to the corner was all broken up those seem to be the biggest tripping right here yeah yes sir i'm taking care of the one in front of my house but one just sat great on the corner down there the guy's remodeling that sure they're not even excited yeah it's pretty much grown over yeah it's the ones that at least the way we were thinking was if it's covered with grass or if it's at least smooth but not fully visible that's not as bad as having a tripping hazard or somebody putting one down there on the corner

Which corner is it?

Broadway and Coffman on the west side. There's a drain there. Because his grass is holding the water back and keeping it in great dry. Right there across the street from you.

If there's a sidewalk down through there, at least some of the water would flow down that way.

Isn't there one there?

There's one there, but it's covered.

It's covered. not personally there.

Well, that would be three half blocks. I'll bet that fits in our budget.

Well, three of those.

I bet it's close.

Because that wouldn't be as much as what we already did.

Do you know what we've got?

I believe we budgeted, I believe, let me check. I think it was 26. 26? I bet it was.

MY THOUGHT WAS WE SHOULD AT LEAST TRY TO DO ONE SIDE OF EACH STREET ALL THE WAY, YOU KNOW, EVENTUALLY. AND I THINK BY DOING THE ONE OUT FRONT OF YOUR DAD'S, THAT PRETTY MUCH DOES GO ALL THE WAY THAT SIDE OF THE STREET ALL THE WAY DOWN. THE REST OF THEM WON'T.

YEAH. WE DID BUDGET 26. A LITTLE BIT OUT OF DAPH FROM THE FAMILIES, BUT IT WAS .

MY GRANDKID'S AT A CAMP, SO THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO CALL IF THEY NEED ME.

I don't have strong feelings about any of them. I just want to identify some segments and get them going.

Yeah. I think the ones that are, like, on Kauffman, on the south side of the road, they're all covered up and they're asphalt, but at least they're flat. There's no tripping hazard or – I mean, we need to do them eventually, but I don't think those are the most pressing ones. I think the tripping hazard ones are the ones that we need to have.

Well, and if we do an additional paving round, like – From Broadway to Central on Main could get incorporated into that? Yeah, the south side of Main, right past the church.

Yes, that needs to be done.

But that could get incorporated in a paving project. Okay. Okay.

So you think that's reasonable to do those three?

Yeah, we can get some prices on them.

Okay.

I don't think that's a bad idea. So this is the grading. So these aren't necessarily the absolute worst ones that we've got, but they are in the higher traffic areas of town, right?

Well, the worst one is right out here in front of this house. And if you go look at it, the first 25 feet are good. And then after that, it's all grass or gravel. There's no sidewalk to be seen right here on Railroad. That's the one that has the lowest score, the yellow one.

I didn't even know there was a sidewalk there.

There isn't too much. I mean, it's under the grass probably. But, I mean, why would we rip all that up if there's no tripping hazard or, you know, nobody's going to get hurt? Right. Eventually, yes, it needs to be done just because it's our sidewalk. But that's not, I don't think that's the most pressing. There's also where they put that new house in over there across from Fred. They put the driveway in. There's a sidewalk there. It's probably, I don't know, three inches of grade that they didn't get.

They needed to do a little ramp there to meet the existing one. Something, because... Because I think they got the grade right on the driveway.

Yes.

But it doesn't match the old 1 by they needed to do a lot of ramp or something. And I don't know, it's in the next house. It's being built. Is it being built by. Mark as well.

I think so. Well, not Mark, but he's still there, but yeah.

Okay. Is that right next to it? Which they'll...

They've talked to Rick about it.

So if they hook onto that sidewalk, then they can do it on the other side of that. Okay.

Yeah, I'd like to get a quote for those three. Okay. Is that the same guy we used for Walnut Street?

Yeah, but we probably need to have at least two of the thing, because it's going to be... significant expenditure, we might as well at least get to him. Just because he was inexpensive before doesn't mean that he still is.

I told Tim that Fred was able to grind the F word out of the sidewalk over there. Okay. There's still some stuff, but at least he got that word out.

Well, good.

So there are small ones?

Yes.

All right, so we don't need to take any action on this really, but I'll talk to Luke and see if he can get a couple quotes, one from Nick and at least one other from... Okay, well, let's move on to our sewer adjust real quick. 345 Indiana. Looks like you've verified the repair, which was outside the house, but not in a pit. What's going on there? This is 345 South Indiana.

You just checked it further. She sent those pictures.

Okay.

Yeah, she's on the show.

345 South Indiana. That's close to you, isn't it?

Maybe just north of there.

Okay.

And I think, you know, like the fence comes off the south and then turns? There's a bunch of dirt over there, so it may be. In that corner.

Well, in any case, you verify that there's no water leaking, but that would be an eligible repair because it was eligible adjust in the amount of 512, $512. So 52,000 gallon leak or 50,000 gallon leak. Is that just in one month?

It went from. Across. Yeah. Thank you.

And we're adjusting the sewer off of that, right?

Yeah, because it didn't go down.

We're still paying water.

Yeah, because they used the water.

So the repair was done. That's what Nick checked.

And his first bill was over $800, and he came in and paid it. But I was in it, and I couldn't get a hold of him. Yeah.

OKAY. I'LL MAKE A MOTION WE DO THIS UTILITY ADJUSTMENT IN THE AMOUNT OF $512.84. ALL IN FAVOR?

ALL RIGHT.

IN THE SECOND ONE, JOHN, I TOUCHED ON IT. I MAY NOT HAVE GOT IT AT THE TIME BECAUSE I DIDN'T GET IT UNTIL LATE.

SO THIS ONE'S NOT BEEN VERIFIED?

IT'S NOT BEEN VERIFIED, BUT IT WAS FIXED. UNDER HOUSE CREDIT FITTING FIELD.

YEAH, 22 BUCKS. I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE PROVE THAT AS CONTINGENT UPON THIS VERIFICATION.

ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. OKAY. ANY OTHER NEW BUSINESS FROM THE COUNCIL? All right.

Oh, yes, I have a question. Okay. This open board right here, Edward and I were looking at it. It looks really nice. Thank you, grandkids. There's a light fixture in there. Yeah. Does anyone know if that light fixture ever worked? I think it did. Yeah. Okay, because we were going to put a new fixture or valve in there. He's willing to help fix it.

Yeah. Okay. Let's do it. It's going to be a cheap repair. Get light on there. Okay. So we've got a request for closing Broadway on August 29th. Sorry it's taken so long, but you're talking about just that last block of Broadway?

Okay. Down to...

yeah yeah okay um any it's just every single neighbor sure yeah and that's awesome yeah i didn't turn in their signatures but yeah yeah right any any vendors of any kind or anything like that okay just Celebration time, yeah, okay. Sure. That's nice. Friends and neighbors and stuff like that. Yeah. Okay.

So that'd be the 29th.

They're asking for 6 p.m. to 11 p.m. Closing down that last block. All their neighbors are okay with it. I'm okay.

We have an emergency now.

SURE EVERYTHING I LOOKED AT ALL THE OTHER TOWNS JUST TO SEE WHAT RIGHT I MAKE A MOTION WE SHUT DOWN YOU'RE EXPECTING LUKE TO PUT BARRICADES UP THEN YEAH YEAH OH YEAH YEAH YEAH WE CAN GET BACK TO YOU ALL THE WAY AROUND THE LOCK NO WE CAN SET UP

So, I made the motion all in favor. Yeah, absolutely. Sorry, we're an hour and a half into the meeting, but we appreciate y'all coming and I think that's a neat thing. So. David castle, that's who we already talked to. Right? Yep. Okay.

Anything else from the council.

Anything else from anybody in attendance tonight? Yeah, it sounds like he's working with the health department on it and they, I remember back when I was doing ordinance enforcement, then being pretty helpful. Because certain things they're not allowed to have at all. Regardless of what the local ordinance would be, their rules are more strict than our town is on certain things. But I'll make sure we follow up. Absolutely.

That's that's a complaint I've heard from a lot of people is sure. Yeah, I mean, I don't feel well, but I'll say this too.

Like, we could have dealt with some of these things as, like, a nuisance perhaps in the past. But we just in the last couple of months made an adjustment to our ordinance. that considers a cat basically the same as a dog so obviously we can't enforce every single stray cat just practically speaking but there's a we have a lot more ability now to pursue a property owner if if a cat is living on their property and ventures off the property which cats are going to do so which is kind of the problem because you don't take ownership of them

and they're just feral, then nobody's responsible.

I know as soon as we did that, we were able to address a lot of the problem here on Main Street. Yeah, they're all gone.

They moved south.

So anyway, we'll make it a priority to, at least as a council, follow up on what we're doing.

I think how many cats were there in the one house?

Like 19 or something like that? 15. They're all gone? All but two. Okay.

I'll ask the status of it every week and we'll see what we can get done. All right.

If you don't mind, it makes it easier to hear. So you guys talked about the walnut, the sidewalk. Thank you for working on that. But then also on the corner of Meridian and Broadway, On the southeast corner, there's like a little hole in the road. So it looks like it could, I mean, become a problem at some point. Just something somebody needs to look at.

Where is it now? Broadway and Meridian. And that's actually, I remember where there's a water main there. There's no water coming out of the hole, but I remember doing a repair there in that AC water main like 15 years ago. It's about right there. I don't know.

I just noticed it when I walked.

There's been a little dip there for a long time. Now it looks like there's a hole in it.

It's not big, but I don't know.

Yeah, in the corner of the sweep there. So take a look and see what you think. Hopefully it's not a big cavern under there.

Sinkhole coming.

I doubt it, but you never know. Well, thank you. All right. Thank you, everybody, for coming. Is there a motion to sign our claims and adjourn? I'll make that motion.

Second.

All in favor?

Aye. Aye.