Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

This is the July 4th, 2026 Planning Commission meeting. We're going to stand for a moment of silent prayer and then I pledge allegiance.

I pledge allegiance.

We have a public comment section now. Anybody wants to speak on any matter that's not on the agenda can speak now. And apparently nobody wants to speak, so I'm going to close that out. And that actually is the approval of minutes for April 14th, 2026.

I'm on the wrong page here.

Oh, I'm sorry. June 9th, 2026. I'm at the wrong page here.

I motion that we approve the minutes as submitted.

I'll second.

All in favor say yes. Aye. All in favor say no. Pass unanimously. So first item is subject ordinance 3160 small scale land amendment, East King Road. I'm sorry, first of all, we need to recognize city council members in the audience. We have Mayor Nesta here. We have Vice Mayor Diane Valpoet. I know I get it wrong every time. And we have Commissioner Ruth here. Thank you for attending. Go ahead.

Good evening. This is Jun Sun Planner at the Community Development Department. The applicant has requested a small-scale land use amendment of the property located at the intersection of East King Road and Click Corner Road to develop a car storage warehouse. The size of the property is 5.23 acres, and it is currently vacant. Looking at the surrounding area, there are retention pump to the east, highway 414 to the north, vacant land to the south, and a gas station with additional vacant land to the west. The current future land use of the property is commercial, and the requested future land use is industrial. Per the applicant, the proposed use is enclosed luxury car storage, and the storage warehouse is permitted in light industrial zoning. The properties along the corridor of East King Road and the Clark County Road have industrial and agricultural land use. These images you see on the slides are the concept of site plan and the concept of landscape plan. On April 8th, the Development Review Committee recommended approval and the recommended motion is recommending approval of the change of the future land use of the property from commercial to industrial. Staff is available for any questions.

Is anybody having questions for staff? Okay.

climate control. Regarding the festival, I'll defer that question to the applicant.

Anybody else?

Can you just share a little bit about any impact to the transportation going there with access to the highway and just that busy intersection that will surround the property?

The traffic impact study will be received when they submit the site plan. So at this stage, we are considering about the land use change.

Sure, and just looking ahead, there's no insight at this point.

As of right now, I have to defer that question to Obligat as well.

Thank you.

I have a question. How many parking spaces are there?

That also, we only received the concept site plan, but I believe Obligat can answer the question.

Okay, thank you.

Good afternoon, Commissioners. For the record, Mike Rankin, Land Planning Group. First, before I start, I do want to thank you for your service. I've sat in your shoes many years ago in the state of Missouri and Arkansas, and I know you make tough calls, and I appreciate you doing that. We're here with a rather unique project. As June mentioned, this is on 5.32 acres. We're simply asking to go from community commercial to light industrial. This would be climate controlled with more than 245 car park spaces. The purpose of this building, is there a...

facade of the building, Bobby, on the, could you go to, Oh, I can.

Yeah, there you go. You can see the layout. We really wanted to pay a detail to the property and how it looks. Uh, if you would imagine a day where you've got, uh, uh, a stressful situation where you've got a Lamborghini or two, you don't know where to park them. You can park them here in the condos. Uh, Enjoy the view of the condos and bring your friends up to enjoy the view of the car in your little suite there. And this would be gated as well. And we wanted to make sure the detail of the landscaping and the building fit the dynamics of the corridor. They're kind of a gateway in the town and. If you look at the top picture, you see that cord on the road there, that's actually heading to one of the spaces next to Bobby Howell's where he's going to have his F-150 truck parked. I did tell him at the last meeting that we'd save space. I would just ask you to take staff recommendations so we can move forward to city commission. Thank you.

If anybody has any questions, let me know.

I have a question.

Commissioner Harris.

Thank you. I was just curious, is that the vision that it would be more high end luxury car storage or more general? So just curious, like the vision for the storage lot and what would be actually used there in terms of the cars?

Typically, these kind of projects, and we've seen them in other cities popping up. There's one in the Tampa area to where you see more of a collectible or a higher-end vehicle. There's nothing to stop somebody from acquiring one, and Park is 1968 Karmann Ghia in there if he wants to. But typically, it's for a higher-end, higher maintenance, all-the-way-around vehicle where you can... view the world of your car while you're sitting there in your nice suite.

Thank you. And just a quick follow-up question. Is that what has been determined in terms of a need and the, all the studies that have gone to say that this is the area where that clientele would be likely to store their cars?

Yes, ma'am. This is a great location with your proximity to obviously Orlando and Apopka. Yes.

Yes, ma'am. Commissioner Woods. Yes. I just have a couple of questions. Looking at the layout here, what's on the second floor?

Those will be, if you want to call them, Luke, what's the name I'm missing here? Mezzanine, thank you, mezzanine. Those would be mezzanine area. Luke Classen, that's our engineer on the project.

What would the mezzanine be used for?

Sitting, maybe watching TV on your big screen while you're looking at your car.

Okay. It cannot be used as a residence?

No, sir. This is for storing cars.

Okay. Next question. We're storing cars. Are they going to be working on the cars there? Like I need an oil change, I want to do it myself, or I want to tune the engines?

This is designed for show and shine your vehicle, so you'd spend time waxing or cleaning your car, but maintaining the vehicle, that would not occur here.

Okay. And the detail area, that's an area set aside for, if you go back to the map. You know what you're... Nope. There you go. Next one.

Next one. One more.

The one with the layout. One too far back. There you go.

The detail section.

Yes, sir. What is that going to be used for?

A car wash. Detail for your car cleaning.

Okay.

That will not be a service center. It'll just be to keep your vehicle looking brand new.

So I can come out and bring my car media, which I own, and we'll be keeping that. Yeah, I had one too, by the way. Okay, thank you.

Thank you. Events, there will be food and beverage in there, but it could be a situation where a couple of the suite owners got together and had a reunion there. That would be the purpose.

Do you anticipate like car shows or something like that?

No, ma'am. Not as you would see at a Sonic drive-up or some outdoor car show. No, ma'am. These would be enclosed. Now, having the cars in there, it's a car show if you want to, you know, people come in and look at your cars. But as far as where you put up a tent and park cars out here, no. Hope that answered your question.

Anybody else? Commissioner Mock?

Just a comment. I do not have one of these type of cars.

Neither do I.

But I have had several people approach me and say, here's what needs to be available. I've got a neighbor that said that he has a friend that if there was space, he has room for eight cars. And he would probably buy even more. And I was just like shocked. But this concept kind of reminds me a little bit. Not exactly. But, you know, the airport hangers that are currently in Apopka. Yes. You know, there's mezzanines there. I've been inside a couple of them. Some of them were very, very nice. Yeah. And this looks like a very nice project.

The gentleman who came up with this particular concept in Apopka, I believe he owns about 50 vehicles. So, yeah, it's contagious. Yeah. I like to just keep my running.

So, yeah.

Commissioner, can you do me?

You don't have a question now? Okay.

I have a question. Our Land Development Code mandates that all developments in Cedar Poplar must comply with all federal and state laws. Are you compliant with all federal and state laws in regards to ADA parking and EB charging stations?

Thank you for bringing that up because I failed to mention in our notes we needed to clarify there would be handicapped facility parking as well as charging stations. So, yes, sir. Okay. Thank you very much.

Okay. Anybody want to make a public statement? Anybody from the public want to talk? Then we'll close that out. Jim Green would say, what's your pleasure?

Okay, I just want to make a couple comments about this, and I don't want to step on the applicant's toes or even Commissioner Mock's toes, but you made a good segue into this. I've long wondered why the city of Apopka doesn't have a facility like this. And I tell you, 10 years ago, I started studying. There's a place in Chesterfield, Missouri, called The Place. That's where I'm from, Chesterfield, Missouri. And I know some people that own condos in there. And it's not a place where people are doing oil changes and tire changes. This is a high-end community built around cars. And if I had $2 million 10 years ago, I would have built this because this is a fantastic thing for the city of Apopka. And we can discuss whether this is the right location. That seems okay to me. being that it's close to the highway. But these kind of facilities do increase property values because you're going to be down there and somebody's going to say, hey, I want to live close to this. And if you don't mind, the applicant, would you tell us what do you see as the median target price for something like this sales price for a condo in there? Yeah.

It's going to be market-driven. It really is.

So $250,000, $300,000, maybe higher?

You know, I've got three Lamborghinis. What do I do with them? So I'm going to pay what it takes. Yes, it's the market that's really going to drive that. It's going to be at a rate, obviously, greater than typical U-Haul storage.

And so a person going there and buying a condo, is they may say, hey, we want to live in Apopka. We want to live local to here. And they're going to look, they're not going to be looking at the, I don't want to say lower end of the housing market, but people that are driving to Lamborghini are not going to be looking at the lower end of the housing market. They're going to be looking at the higher end, which is a net aggregate benefit to the city. These are the people out downtown shopping at the restaurants and dining, taking their Lamborghini. I see nothing but good things to come out of something like this. I'm only slightly envious they got to it first, but I'm glad somebody's doing it because I think this is really going to be a boon for the city.

I'm still trying to get over to Chesterfield, Missouri. You know where the Gumbo Flats is? I worked there.

I went there and toured that facility right there by the Alamo. There's also one being built in Overland Park, Kansas. There are a couple in Denver, I believe. I didn't know about the one in Tampa. I'm a gearhead for better or worse. My wife would say definitely for worse. My bank account says for certainly worse. But I would be a target for something like this. I don't have a Lamborghini, though. It'd be a Jeep Comanche.

Yeah, that works. We're going to put Bobby's truck in there, you know.

Anyways, I just wanted to encourage that, you know, if there's any hesitation, I do believe there's a market for something like this in the city. And I think this is a net. I agree. Would you like to make a motion? Yeah, sure. I'll make the motion. Can somebody put the thing up? Thank you. Yeah, I'll make the motion to find the proposed change in future land use designation from commercial to industrial, consistent with the comprehensive plan and land development code, and compatible with the character of the surrounding areas, and recommend approval of the proposed change in future land use based on the findings and facts presented in the staff report and exhibits. One last thing before we go on this. I want to make sure the applicant, make sure the landscaping is very nice. I'm making this motion that you guys have some high-end, very nice landscaping there. Trees, bushes, everything.

He is clear on how he wants somebody to embrace that. property and park their vehicle there based on what it looks like. Very good. Okay. So that's the motion.

I'll second it. So Commissioner Doomey makes the motion and second by Commissioner Mock. And let's take a vote. All in favor say aye. Aye. All in favor say no. Unanimously passed. Congratulations. Thank you. All right. The next item is quasi-judicial. Ordinance number 3161, change of zoning, East King Road. Does anybody have the next part?

No. Okay.

For the record, this is Junsu. The applicant has requested rezoning of the same property at the intersection of East King Road and Clark County Road. The size of the property is about 5 acres and it is currently vacant. Current zoning of the property is CC Community Commercial and requested to rezone to IL Light Industrial. The properties along the corridor of East King Road and Calacana Road has light industrial and agricultural zoning. These are concept plans. And on April 8th, the DRC has recommended approval and recommended motion is recommending approval of rezoning of the property from CC Community Commercial to IL Light Industrial. Staff is available for any questions.

Any questions from the staff? Any questions for the applicant? We might open a public hearing. You want to make a statement in public? That's my good statement. What's your pleasure?

I'll make a motion that we find the proposed change of zoning from CC community commercial to IL light industrial consistent with the comprehensive plan and land development code and compatible with the characteristics of the surrounding areas. Recommend approval of the proposed change of zoning based on the findings and facts presented in the staff report and exhibits.

Motion by Commissioner Mock. Do I have a second?

I'll second.

By Commissioner Woods. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any negative? Say no.

Pastor Amsley again. Thank you very much. And one last comment. You guys have an outstanding staff to work with. I appreciate their attention too. Anytime you call. Thank you.

Thank you for your comment. I appreciate that. Okay. Our next one is quasi-judicial again. That's 1030 East Sandpiper Street, SPX. Has there been any X4K? No.

No?

No, we're good. Okay.

Good evening, everyone. My name is Amir Hamza. I'm a planner at the Planning and Zoning Department. The applicant has submitted a special exception request to permit an accessory dwelling unit located at 1030 East Sandpiper Street. These are the vicinity and aerial maps of the subject property. The total area of the property is 1.79 acres and the 1030 East Sandpiper Street property currently has a single family residence as its principal building. The property has a future land use of residential very low suburban and has a zoning of RCE residential country estate as shown on these maps. Here's the list of special exception review standards the applicant must comply to according to the land development code. Here's a site plan of the proposed ADU. The Development Review Committee recommends approval of a special exception to allow the development of an accessory dwelling unit within the RCE residential country estate zoning district. The recommended motion for Planning Commission is to approve a special exception to allow the development of an accessory dwelling unit within the RCE residential country estate zoning district. Staff and applicant are available for further comments and questions.

Any questions from the staff? I have a question. How large is this unit going to be?

To my knowledge, the ADU can only be a maximum of 1,000 square feet. From what I remember, it was like, I think, 994 square feet. But they'll submit a building permit once they have the special exception permit.

Is it allowed to have a kitchen in that unit?

They can, yes. Okay.

Thank you very much. Is the applicant here?

Yeah, the applicant's here.

Do you want to make a statement? I'm sorry. Okay.

As I was reading this, Mr. Holmes, as I was reading this, if I recall correctly, this was over a year and a half ago. We had another individual do an ADU here in Apopka. This one, if I'm not mistaken, because it's over an acre, has to have the special exception. I think the other one didn't because it was just under an acre. Is that correct?

No, all ADUs require a special exception. It's just any zoning that is not mixed-use downtown that allows an ADU has to have, the property itself has to have a minimum acre size of one acre. Except if you're in a mixed-use downtown zoning district, you can have an ADU up to 500 square feet with a special exception, and it doesn't matter if it's an acre in size or more.

Any other questions from staff? Does the applicant want to make a statement? Please state your name and address, please.

Good evening. My name is Lincoln Haynes. Address is 1030 East Sandpiper Street, Apopka, Florida. I would just... I implore that you approve this decision. I am on a journey to help take care of my aging parents, and the desire of purchasing this property was to build an ADU so that they can age in place, they can keep an eye on me, and I can keep an eye on them. Thank you very much.

You're a very good son. Thanks. Any questions for the applicant?

I did have a question in your very, very nice presentation that was in our packet that I believe you used when you presented to the public. You did a public presentation for anybody that was there. There was an option A and an option B. Can you explain that? Are you wanting to do option A or option B, or is that determinate upon getting the exception, trying to choose? Because the option B appears to have a separate driveway.

Correct. So in reviewing the site plan of the architect, it was determined that option B wouldn't make more sense to create a new driveway, a new access to the property, whereas you can build the property on site. option A with the existing driveway and kind of have that family feel of the two units being side by side and seeing each other the way.

Does anybody want to make a motion?

I'm sorry. Just going along those same lines, I saw there was one neighbor who was very much supportive of this. How has the feedback been from some of your other neighbors just anecdotally?

As I have sent out multiple certified mail to my neighbors, it's actually kind of given them an opportunity to come over and say hello. And I've learned a lot about the street. The neighbors, I've had two neighbors actually come to some of these meetings as well here at the city council. And they have said themselves that they have wanted to do something similar. And they are just happy to see that someone's trying to get it done for their parents.

Any other questions?

Oh, Commissioner Newman? No, just more of a statement. I mean, I'll be happy to create the motion when the appropriate time to do it. But first of all, you have a beautiful property there. And second of all, you know, my mother in law is also in somewhat declining health. And I think this is a great opportunity for you as a son. But also, you know, we talk a lot in our community about housing. Housing issues. And this is a great way. I mean, really, her moving in with you is freeing up a housing unit for somebody else. And we're talking about a shortage of housing units. This helps alleviate two problems. First of all, it takes care of his mom. And second of all, it gives somebody else an opportunity to rent an apartment or something else like that. So I think it's a great idea. And I wish you the best with it.

Thank you very much.

Thank you. Any other questions? I think somebody wants to speak.

Good evening. I'm sorry. My name is Marcus Grant. I'm one of the neighbors, 747 Primrose. I'm in the community. I didn't really know what this was about. So that's why I showed up because I did receive the letter and I had been trying to contact you, but my schedule has just been so busy I wasn't able to get. So I'm just trying to understand what was it that it was for? Because I didn't make it to the last one because I guess the other one was canceled. So I made it to this one. So I'm just trying to understand what's the project that he was trying to do or what he was doing or anything. Because I didn't really understand it. So just trying to get an understanding if I could.

Do you have any questions?

Well, I just wanted to know what was the dwelling. I saw, cause like I said, I did receive the, the letter saying that it was something that we needed to approve. I mean, not be approved, but you know, without being notified of something that was going on next door. So I didn't know if I just didn't know what I needed to do. So that's why I showed up to kind of find out what, what do I have to do? Or, or if there was anything that I needed to do, if approved, I mean, say, yeah, people, Well, I didn't know what it is. That's why I came. That's why I showed up. So I didn't know what the project was. So I was just trying to get an understanding of what's going on in the whole thing.

Do you understand now?

No.

I'm sorry.

So that's why I'm just trying to get an understanding. I know he's trying to do something for his parents. So that's why I was just trying to.

We can have the staff or we can have the applicant explain what's going on here. Okay, that's fine. Yeah.

I can just explain it real fast, Mr. Chairman. Basically, what Mr. Haynes is looking to do is, in better terms, a mother-in-law suite. It's a standalone, what's called accessory dwelling unit for his parents to live in. And it has like a provision for cooking, sleeping, eating. Okay. Yeah.

I just didn't know. I didn't know if it was something that I needed to show up to say. I didn't have a problem. I mean, I don't have a problem with it. So that's why I didn't know if it was something that I needed to do. come here and do something. That's why I'm sorry. I didn't mean to. I received a couple of notes. I was like, oh, I better get it because there's something like two or three of them. So I didn't know. So I'm sorry. Like I said, I was confused. I was like, what's going on? So I apologize. So congratulations.

Is there anybody else in the public who want to make a statement or have a question? And then we'll close the public statement.

Anybody want to make a motion?

Yeah, I'll make the motion. Again, make the motion to recommend approval of the special exception to allow an accessory dwelling unit within the residential country estate zoning district subject to the exhibits and findings of the staff report.

Motion by Commissioner Dewey. Do I have a second? Second. Second by Commissioner Harris. All in favor, say aye.

Aye.

Any negative? Say no. Pass unanimously. Congratulations. All right. We're moving on to just the last one. Site plans. Quasi-judicial again. Has there been any ex parte?

No.

No. Okay. This is a revised cold link APACA major development plan.

So for the record, my name is Amir Hamza. I'm a planner one. The applicant has submitted a major development plan for property located at 2560 West Orange Blossom Trail, which is just east of Stewart Avenue and west of Lakeview Drive. The major development plan is called calling a pop go, which consists of a proposed new warehouse building to the existing site. The new warehouse building will have a total area of around 168,600 square feet. This was previously approved by planning commission and city commission, but is being brought back to the planning commission. as the applicant has done a Scribner error by putting the incorrect total building area in the previous major development plan that was approved. The previously approved major development plan had a significant lower building area of around 147,624 square feet, and hence this item is being brought back to the Planning Commission. These are the vicinity and aerial mass of the 2560 West Orange Blossom Trail site. The total site area is around 27.63 acres. The future land use of this property is industrial and the zoning for this property is I-L light industrial. This is the revised Coal Link Apopka Major Development Plan. The development review committee has recommended approval. The recommended motion is for Planning Commission to approve the Coal Link Apopka Major Development Plan that is revised. And staff and applicant are available for further comments and questions.

Any questions for staff? One from Commissioner Melwood. I think there was some concern about traffic turn lanes.

actual packet. It was like 126 pages. So my question is, was it changed in terms of the length of the lanes for the turn?

I'll defer that question to the applicant.

Okay. Anybody else on staff have questions for staff?

I have a question for staff.

Mayflower Avenue, is that going to be brought up to city standards?

From what I understand, the developer has agreed to do Mayflower to city standards, yes.

Is that a city road or is that going to be a private road? It's a city road.

City road. City. City road? Yes, sir. It's a city road.

But the applicant has agreed to do Mayflower to city standards.

Correct. They've detailed it on both the original approved construction or site plan and then this proposed revision.

Okay. We've got that written in stone, right? It's right on the plan. Okay. Very good. Anybody got any other questions for staff? Questions for the applicant? Do you have a statement?

Good afternoon. Josh Enott. I'm Josh Enott with Kimley Horn. 200 South Orange Avenue, Orlando, Florida. I'm the engineer and the applicant on this project. As Amir had said, we had a small change to the actual labels on the plan and the data table. The scale, the building itself is the exact same that you saw in the previous MDP. It was just labeled incorrectly. So we're writing that wrong. And to answer your question on the traffic, we did update the traffic report to reflect that change, and there was no increase in traffic.

Any questions for the applicant?

I'm just curious. There's some reference that there will only be semi-trucks, so I'm just trying to gauge the you know, large vehicles in terms of the trucks or the semis and what that anticipated traffic looked like. It wasn't quite clear. Is there going to be any potential road blockage or is there sufficient parking for 18-wheelers and larger semis?

So our site plan is adding 22, 31 trailer stalls for that purpose where there's not anticipated queuing or anything like that within within the Mayflower, except for at the entrance when they're getting in. But there's no parking, no nothing, no permanent parking in a sense.

And so that those spaces are sufficient?

Correct.

Thank you.

Thank you, Commissioner Harris. Any other questions? Commissioner Mock has a question.

Yeah, that was a very extensive traffic. I sat and looked at that for probably an hour. And as I recall, when we had a discussion, so I've got a couple of questions. You're coming back because there was the building. If I understand correctly, the building in the drawing is correct. You just labeled the square footage incorrectly? Correct. Okay. All right. So I understand that part now.

Was it higher or lower?

It's higher. So the approved one is lower.

How much of a difference was there?

The difference is about 25,000 square feet. It was a pretty large number. Pretty large number, which is why we're here. Pretty large number. Yes. Make sure that everybody's on the same page.

But as I understand, the building didn't grow by 25,000 square feet. It was just incorrectly written. Correct. And one of the discussions that we had, and Commissioner Harris talks about the traffic, you know, that type of thing. And that was my large concern at the same time, was the trucks coming out there and exiting. And what I found was interesting was that even in the traffic study, it showed left-hand turns. onto what is, you know, Binion to then make that light there at 441. And I go through there when Binion is backed up and you have to stay. You can't even make a right because if you did, then you'd be sitting on the tracks, on the railroad tracks. So there's a gap there and you have to wait until you can move forward. So I'm just kind of curious as to a truck wanting to make a left-hand turn, unless you say all right-hand turns. come right, right, right, and then go to 441 where there's a light, which is the queuing is no problem there other than the railroad track. I can see a truck making the left-hand turn and he doesn't have enough room to get out, but he's got enough room to get the cab out there because there's times that you're, and you guys have it in the traffic study that there's gonna be 35 minutes traffic where there's a heavy volume and no driver's gonna sit there 30 minutes trying to get out.

Correct. And I think with that too, the drivers in that moment, they'll read the situation. And as you said, you can take a right and then another right to get back to 441. So there's multiple options for the truck drivers. And this is already an operating facility. And so some of them do choose to go right.

I would encourage the... entity to encourage drivers to make a right out of there instead of trying to make a left on that road until there's some resolution on 441. It would be a challenge.

Yeah, we'll definitely look at that and talk that over with the operator.

Okay, now for the hard question. Any other questions from commissioners? Okay. Like I said before, the land development code mandates that all developments and must have the federal and state compliance with state law, state and federal law. Are you compliant with ADA parking regulations and EV charging stations?

Yes, we are compliant with that, with the federal and state law.

Okay. Thank you very much. Okay. public statement. Anybody want to make a statement from the public? Seeing none, we'll close that down.

Mr. Chairman, I'd go ahead and recommend approval of the revised Coldlink Apopka Major Development Plan.

Okay, we got a motion by Commissioner Mock. Do we have a second? We got a second from Commissioner Woods. And everybody wants to... Everybody, both in favor, say hi.

Hi.

Any negative, say no. Congratulations. That passes unanimously. Now it's time for any new business.

Hi. Just one thing, Mr. Chairman. I thought you did a good job tonight.

Listen, Mr. Dessler made it look so easy.

It's continuous improvement.

I have some new business here. I asked the Planning Department to send you an email. It's about some of the rights of the Planning Commission. It's 3.32 under B3. We can prepare a city comprehensive plan and amendments to the comprehensive plan. which I would say would be the land development code. We can recommend plans to the city council. We can obtain citizen and public input on all phases. I'm thinking, is there any changes you want to make to the land development code? Oh, absolutely, sir. Well, let's address that at the next meeting. Everybody do their homework on it.

Yeah, we can have a workshop.

We can have a workshop. Are you okay with having a workshop on a different day?

Sure.

Or earlier? Can we have the public?

Maybe before. I would say before the meeting. Do you want to do it like five or something?

Yeah, let's try that. Your choice. So I know Mr. Howe, when did we do that joint? Was that a year ago?

That was well over a year ago. That was for the comprehensive plan rewrite. As you know, the state turned that down because it wasn't compliant with Senate Bill 180. It was excessively burdensome. But you can look at land development code.

Mr. Howell can make it work this time. He told me.

Well, the question I would have, because I read through this, and when I... I went through that and I probably got 14 pages single spaced of things that I read through that I thought, well, if I was rewriting this, I would write this. But then, of course, the state came back and had their denial. Where are we in that process? Because I thought after that, you were going to re. Do it up to the state approved level and then we're going to look at it again.

So we've been chatting with the state a little bit about stuff. We're still looking at a couple of things on the comp plan rewrite. They directed us what to remove. And they wrote words of the gentleman who's the reviewer at the state told me, send it back. But you might get a different reviewer and they might have a different interpretation of the law. So it's a roll of the dice.

So is this an appropriate time to go ahead and submit suggestions? Yes.

I would suggest that you look at some land development code stuff like Mr. Ryan was talking about. Maybe, you know, have a little workshop, you know, ideas. I know green space is a big one, stuff like that. I think a comprehensive plan, the way that the state is dictating things right now, my advice would be to keep it bare bones, to be Senate Bill 180 compliant, but a land development code, maybe you can kind of reach for the stars on that if you wink, wink, nod, nod.

yeah i would like to initiate it they're approving it um i would like to for us to initiate the plans we should focus on the land development code since that's a lower level than the comp plan so we should start at the bottom my recommendation sir would be to have this in september The workshop in September, if that's possible. Yeah, I can. Yeah. Make a motion that we have a workshop, the planning commission meeting in September, starting at 5pm. What do you think? I would say five because people work right.

Well, we want the public to be involved.

Are you saying this is the same day as the planning commission meeting?

Before the meeting, correct.

Well, the commission meeting is at 530.

Right. So let's back this out. Let's say the workshop the city commission had, the one I attended in May, started at 5.30 before their meeting, but I think it was only roughly 45 minutes worth of content. And that was the city commission level. So I'm not sure.

Maybe we can do it afterwards.

Yeah, if you want to do that, we can do that.

We need the input from the public because they're always, you know how they are.

And that might be better for people attending after work, et cetera.

I'd like them to participate.

Okay, so instead of strike the previous motion, I'll make a motion to have a workshop at the next planning commission meeting in September. That immediately following termination of business and the planning commission, we will have a community workshop to discuss changes. improvements to the land development code. We don't want to go backwards. We want to improve things. Exactly.

Absolutely. We wanted to initiate it. We have ideas, but I don't think they thought about it. Green space. Green space. I'll second that. All in favor, say aye.

Chairman, I just recommend that you take public comment. Another thing that I would point out is if that is what SAP recommends and you're going to go forward with the workshop, What I would point out is that Senate Bill 180 does affect, of course, the land development regulations as well as the comprehensive plan. So if you're going to be discussing land development regulations and changes to the code, if they are, in fact, more restricted and if you're looking for more restrictive changes, they would not be able to be implemented until Senate Bill 180 was no longer in effect as far as how it governs and the restrictions of the code. But as far as discussion- This is just a workshop. We're going to come up with ideas.

That's fine. And move forward from that.

Understood. I just wanted to point that out so that you understand that any fruit that is born from those workshops would be something that would have to be implemented at a later time as opposed to immediately.

It's going to take some time. Just for the benefit of the public. We can't do it anyways. Yeah, I agree. It's going to take some time. I just want to get this moving and started.

Can you share, excuse me, when you say it has to happen after SB 180, are you suggesting like with the new administration?

No, Senate Bill 180 is a bill that came out that effectively it was designed to deal with disaster management. And within that bill that was passed, there are a number of restrictions that prevent a local government from regulating land development more restrictive than prior to implementation of the bill. So the initial period of the bill runs to October 2027, I believe. And then depending on what happens with hurricanes, there may be other periods where local governments are restricted. And the legislature had the opportunity to change that bill. And while there was some discussion that they haven't. So right now, essentially, local governments are still in a bit of a moratorium when it comes to more restrictive land development regulations.

So based on the desire of the board, would you recommend that we move forward with it at the September meeting or essentially wait, you know, a year to have that initial workshop?

Ultimately, that's at the board's leisure. If you're going to be doing a workshop, it's just something that you wouldn't be able to or the city would not be able to adopt currently until that period ends.

In a year?

In a minimum at a year. If there are hurricanes that extend that period, that triggers that extension, it could be longer. I think so. What? Hopefully with El Nino here, we won't have any major hurricane events and local governments can get back to planning.

So, yeah, let's get the discussion started. We don't want to wait another year to actually start the discussion because if we don't start it now, we're never going to start it. So can I just want to make a statement on this?

I also just want to make a comment. This is going to be multiple workshops. I mean, we're not going to be able to sit down in one meeting.

Yeah, we're going to build Roman one day.

Right. So, I mean, it could take us a year before we come up, you know, to answer your question, could take us a year before we come up with concrete recommendations.

I just want the Planning Commission to be involved in this time, which we've never before done.

Mr. Chair, can I ask a question for you? Given Senate Bill 180, could we also get a legal presentation, maybe a short presentation at a future meeting about the effects of House Bill 399 and how it intertwines with Senate Bill 180? Because I think that's going to be a more endearing and far reaching. Mr. Howell, what do you think?

about uh i'm sorry about a workshop about house bill 399 not a workshop but a presentation presentation on that okay yeah and i think there's another one of note house bill 686 i think as well as a big one that's come down the pike was also um so it's good to know about a lot of these things and you know i'm not going to get on a soapbox but this legislature is kind of stripping away a lot of authority that local governments do have

Okay. The public statement. So in my second, second, second. Okay. All in favor say aye. Aye. Negative say no. Pass unanimously.

So what date are we doing this on in September? The eighth, September 8. Yes.

Yeah, that's the second.

Okay. First.

Okay. September one. Thank you. Okay. All right. The old business.

We'll be in turn.