City Council - Special Meeting

I'd like to call the city of Apache Junction special meeting of May 18th, 2026 to order and ask everyone to put their cell phones on silent. Roll call, please. Mayor Wilson here. Vice Mayor Schroeder, present. Council member Cross here. Council member Hec here. Council member Johnson here. Council member Nesser present. Council member Solar here. You have a quorum, your honor.

Thank you. Items one and two are related in the same subject. After hearing staff's presentation, I will combine the public hearing, but we will have separate motions for each items. So, presentation, discussion, and public hearing and consideration resolution number 2626 and presentation and discussion and public hearing consideration of resolution 2627. Uh, Matt.

Thank you, Mr. Mr. Mayor, members of the council, two weeks ago, we presented to you a city manager's proposed budget and classification and compensation schedule. Uh the purpose of tonight is your consideration for a tenative budget adoption of that proposed budget and the required public hearing. Um because we presented everything last time, unless you want us to run everything through again, we can. If not, we're prepared to ask or answer any further questions and uh hold the public hearing at at your uh pleasure. Any special requests or questions? No. Don't see any.

So I now can open up public hearing. All right. I'll now open the public hearing. is a fiveinut time limit with one minute warning indicating by the yellow light. State your name and address for the record. Anyone like to speak on this? Oh, come on. Come on.

I see a whole pile of movement here. So, I'm going toile jump in and close public hearing and ask for a motion for resolution number 2626. your honor. Yes.

Since uh we've we've uh got such great staff that got this all straightened out for us way in advance, I move that resolution number 26-26, a resolution of the mayor and city council of the city of Apache Junction, Arizona for the adoption of the tenative budget for the city of Apache Junction, Arizona for fiscal year 2026 2027. Here, herewith setting forth the tenative estimates for the monies necessary for the public expenses and giving notice of the date, time, and location for hearing taxpayers for the adoption of the final budget and declaring an emergency be approved.

Second. Moved and seconded. Roll call. Council member Johnson, yes. Vice Mayor Schroeder, yes. Council member Nesser, yes. Council member Cross, yes. Council member Hec, yes. Council member Suller, yes. Mayor Wilson, yes. Motion passes. Okay. Do I have a motion for the second item? Resolution number 26-27, your honor.

Yes. I move that resolution number 26-27, a resolution of the mayor and city council of the city of Apache Junction, Arizona, declaring as a public record and adopting certain documents filed with the city clerk entitled fiscal year 2026 2027 city of Apache Junction classification and compensation plan. Fiscal year 2026 2027 city of Apache Junction recruit and sworn compensation plan and declaring an emergency be approved. Second moved and seconded. Roll call. Council member Suller. Yes. Vice Mayor Schroeder.

Yes. Council member Nesser. Yes. Council member Cross. Yes. Council member Hec. Yes. Council member Johnson. Yes. And Mayor Wilson? Yes. Motion passes. Okay. Presentation, discussion, and consideration or approval of PSP RS pen pension funding policy. Matt.

Thank you, Mr. Mayor and council members. Again, we presented this uh two weeks ago. Nothing has changed in this policy. This is required by state law each year to show our intent and how to fund the pension policy. And uh it is required to to approve this funding policy. and we're available for any questions if you have any nuance. No public hearing required for this. Okay, mayor. A motion. Okay. I move that the city of Apache Junction's public safety person personnel retirement system pension fund policy be approved. Second. Moved and seconded. Roll call. Council member Nesser. Yes. Council member Johnson. Yes. Council member Cross,

yes. Council member Hec, yes. Council member Suller, yes. Vice Mayor Schroeder, yes. Mayor Wilson, yes. Motion passes. Okay. Thank you. I will adjourn this meeting and turn around and call to order the Apache Junction work session of May 18th, 2026 to order and ask everyone to put their cell phones on silence. Roll call. Mayor Wilson, yes. Here. Vice Mayor Sharter, present. Council member Cross, here. Council member Hec, here. Council member Johnson, here. Council member Nesser, present. Council member Solar here.

You have a quorum, your honor. Thank you. Presentation, discussion on resolution 26-05. Raquel. presentation. He's already pulling PDF. Okay, there we go.

Good evening, mayor, members of the city council. Raquel Shhatz of public works department here to discuss a resolution 26-05, a roadway extinguishment easement. Uh resolution 2605. Uh this is a roadway easement extinguishment of Roosevelt Street alignment. Um reason why I say it's an alignment is because it's not a formal street. It has not been used as a street. It's just simply point A to point B. Um and this will be from the segment of Wiki up to Chapperel Road. Uh quick background because I know we've haven't been through quite a few of these in quite a while. I think the last one I did was probably like a little over a year ago. Um so back in the third in the 50s uh Congress developed all these um easements um for purposes to give the city um to to make streets grids. So so you'd say um because they're just basically point A to point B straight lines everywhere. Um, so we've got these rights of ways um that the city owns. We don't maintain them all, but we own um for purposes for future roadway. Um so this one here, we we we completed we got a completed application on January 28th. The application in um is an the actual application. Um we do ask for proposition 207 forms of all the abued um residences. Um we do have a support petition that is also required and this is required for um amongst 300 ft on both sides of the um of of the segment. Um and that needs to be full support from everybody in the area there and also a non-refundable $30050 fee. Um in which the city um public works we did contacted all the emergency respondents and other departments in the city in

which we received no opposition of this extinguishment. Uh so like I mentioned before the alignment is not maintained by the city and what I mean by that is that it's not a paved roadway. Um so in the smaller picture on the left you can see like the the green shaded and you see the red outline. The red outline is what um previous um directors from both DSD and public works have gone through this whole entire area to determine which of these easements the city um would be able to um to extinguish that they're not going to be landlocking people um and that that we're not creating any um further issues in regards to um non-compliant lots. Um, in this case, however, you can see how tiny these lots are, and it makes perfect sense why we're doing it to this one here. Um, you can see here that the easement is pretty much right smack in the middle of the of of the one structure on the lot. Um, the owner is the the one on the on the top. So, just the differences between the two pictures is this one shows the easements in the shaded color and the other ones are without any of the shades on there. Um so I mean so our public works recommendation is that um for approval and this will be on consent agenda on June 2nd. Are there any questions?

Yes. How was a building allowed to be built in that easement? How did it get permitted? You know, that was probably like way early when years ago things like this weren't happen. I mean, it could have been a lot split that happened that we weren't aware of or I mean, this would be another question that we would have to discuss amongst development services. Who does do we want Rudy to come up?

Rudy, can you give some examples of how that might have happened? A lot of these older homes uh were built prior to city incorporation. Uh a lot of these homes were built with um inaccurate site plans. Um it could have been a v a variety of reasons. Uh the current applicant I believe wants to do a building expansion. That's why we need to go through this process. Uh we would need to look up the county data to figure out exactly when when these both of these homes were built on these substandard lots. I do know that the lots don't meet uh the minimum lot size for their zoning district and they were created before uh the city became a city. Thank you.

Anyone else? Okay. Um, well, there's no motion be required. Okay. So, we're uh going to be doing this at their next consent agenda. Correct. June 2nd. Okay. All right. One more because I like to bring more than one of these at a time. Okay. Go to resolution 2610. Continue on.

All right. Resolution 2610. Uh, roadway exting easement extinguishment. Um, this one is for Salana Road. Again, it's it's an alignment. It's not a maintained roadway because there's no pavement there. Um, this one's from 14th Avenue to 13th Avenue. I'm going to skip through the background since we just previously spoke about this, but this is the where we talk about the where Congress had made created these easements. Uh, this application was received two weeks after the previous one on February 19th. Um we received all the we received the application items, the support petition and the um proposition 207 forms. Um we also did receive the non-refundable fee. Um and this applicant in particular has been working with development services um for quite some time now um um to um with with building permits. So um emergency respondents um and public utility providers had no opposition with this one as well. Um so this roadway easement here it is for Salana Road and it's between 14th Avenue and 13th Avenue. And in this case um like I mentioned um that the applicant has been working with um development services um there's a house on their lot that they are trying to demo um and in which case they are um going to use a house to put on there so they can still live on the lot um while they're while they fix up the other house. So this one they are for the purposes to um for for future development is the reason why they want to do this um extinguishment. So all four parcels um were thrilled with this application. Um so I was just pleased that I was able to do both of these ones coincidently at the same time. Um this one also will be um um for

approval on consent agenda on June 2nd. Is there any questions? No questions. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Presentation, discussion in the first amendment to community maintenance agreement. Liz,

good evening, Mayor and City Council. Liz Langenbog, parks and recreation director. Um, we are bringing this back just as a reminder. I was here a couple of weeks ago just to give you an intro of it to help understand and that way you'd have a chance to ask any questions. Um so it is just that time of year that or we're getting ready to update some of the newly constructed or newly constructing parcels as well as roadways um public park spaces. Uh in our original agreement that was done in 2023 with Blossom Rock, it identified the areas that the association um de uh designated as private and that they would be paying for on their own to both construct as well as maintain. It also designated the open space, parks, and roadways that are public that either a that they would be continuing to maintain but are classified as public easements or those that are classified as public parks which the city would then be paying for maintenance and operations. They paid for the development of those items and the construction. Um so that first agreement put all that into place. All we are doing is coming back and um adding. We will come back every time there's a new road that's new roadways that are built, new parts of the parks that end up coming into fruition. They have to be added to the agreement. And so, um we will be sh in this first amendment, all we are doing is updating exhibit B, which lists all the newly expanded added parcels. And then exhibit C actually shows the maps that will designate what's public versus what's private and what's also public easement. Everything else about the agreement stays the same. Um our agreement of costs and who does what. All of the parameters within that. The timeline, the term stays the same. There's nothing changing except for these two exhibits. Um we're recommending approval of the first amendment to the community maintenance agreement. Um, based on

council discussion today, we would bring it back for consent in two weeks. Um, and I'm happy to open up any of the maps if you had any other questions or if you have other questions from last time I presented. Yes. Liz question. U you say the community alliance maintains the public parks and open space and shares the cost with the city. Is it like a 5050? Um so we pay up to our up to a max price per acre and that is identified in the original agreement. Okay.

Um at the time we worked with our finance director um our park superintendent. We went through all of our costs that it costs for us to maintain all of our parks. We took an average per acre cost um for like amenities and we basically said to them this is the max that we're willing to pay um for uh maintenance of amenities and anything above and beyond that the association would have to pay. So if they want something at a higher quality for example than what we might do ourselves um then they'd have to pay for that. Um right now we have not met that in any way shape or form. we're still um doing pretty well, being well below that budgeted amount. There's also a clause in there that states that if the city were to ever um you know go through tough times and we had to cut the budget or cut maintenance to any of our other parks, for example, let's say that we were cutting costs and we are not going to overseed any of our parks um because it was too costly in that year. Then we would be doing the same to these other um locations. So, it's treating these parks at the same rate that we treat all of our other parks throughout the city.

So, can can they can the community alliance can they decide we we just want to build a public park over there? Can they just arbitrarily do that? No. So, they're um part of the in our original and actually let me go back real quick. Let's see here if I can figure out how to do this in a sensible Oh, it's at the bottom, isn't it? Hold on. Let me get to this. Matt, can you see it? It's like not very What are you trying?

Oh, I see it. Never mind. I found it. So, this was the um the plan that was proposed long ago whenever this section of Blossom Rock was um developed and we have been using this as our guide to what will be original. This is in the master plan document, the DA, the development agreement that the city agreed to. So ahead of time we agreed to what we would be um having as future parks. They have to talk with us about what's going to be in these locations. Um right now we are working on design of Central District Park. Um but we would only take those on if those are meeting needs that we have in our community. Um we have agreed that these are going to have lakes at them. They do help with the whole uh one water concept and they will help to both irrigate. These lakes hope to uh help to keep water for reclaim p purposes for all of our irrigation needs as well as the community needs. So they can't just do it on their own. It all had to be part of the master plan of what's going on there. And then we work closely with development services to approve all of those items.

Thank you. Did you have a comment? Anyone else have a question? I just got a question. I was down at Radiance and I saw a lake, a very nice lake. What are they going to open that up to everybody? So, that one is their lake. That is a private lake. Um, it was not approved by us as far as a a public space. It doesn't have parking and some other amenities. They are using that as again their ability to have reclaimed water that that'll be a storage pond that then they will irrigate a lot of their areas with that. Um, I think they are planning on opening up fairly I don't know if Rudy knows better than I do, but um I think they're opening up fairly soon that new section.

We will have a lake at our um expansion city expansion project down south. There will be a lake in the radiant side um along with the police substation, the library branch and the rest of the park. All right. Just happen to see it and go I know what's that. Fountains and everything and they're paying for it. Yeah, they're paying for that one both to construct as well as to maintain. It's not a It's not a public facility. It's their maintenance there. Okay. No other questions. Okay. Thank you. Thank you.

Okay. Presentation discussion on livestock feed. Uh this is something that uh uh Darl had come to me and talked to me about it as well as something that I had been trying to well I say work on for over the past few years. and I'm going to turn it over to Daryl's for a discussion.

So, this came up from some constituents reaching out and we're this happened probably a little over a year or so ago that um they came out and said, "Hey, you know, why is AJ charging sales tax on livestock feed?" and I really hadn't paid much attention to it and but sure enough uh went to shoppers and found out that they hadn't been charging sales tax and the city came to them and said um you guys are messing up. you owe x amount of back taxes. And and um so we started questioning it because the state has a rule that allows um cities to not charge that tax. And it turns out that a lot of our other cities around us do not charge a sales tax on livestock feed. And that's hay, um, supplements, uh, pellets, chicken feed, anything that deals with livestock. Doesn't include wild bird seed or parakeet seed, things like that. Just livestock feed. And in fact, I just sent Matt, is there a way you can put that on the overhead? I went to Mesa um feed barn today and went ahead and purchased that's the receipt on the left side.

We'll zoom it up a little here. Yeah, the the the receipt on the left side, I bought two bags of bulk feed. And as you can see, there's no tax. And then next to it, just a recent purchase that I did at Shopper Supply. And you can see that there's a tax of 89 cents on the two um bales of feed. And when you do the math, that's 2.4%. So we're charging a food tax on something that's not human consumption. It's horse consumption in this case. So basically a lot of the community goes to other cities to buy feed to avoid paying a sales tax. And I look at it this way. If a lot of people are similar to me when it comes to ecoin, I go into the store purposefully looking to buy um some kind of feed, whether it be pellets, whether it be hay, and there's always something new and shiny that I have to buy, whether it be fly spray, whether it be, you know, some hardware and whatnot. But if I'm going to another city to make a purchase and I see those same shiny things, that tax revenue is going to that city versus to our city. And I think as little as we're charging for a sales tax, if we can keep people shopping here in AJ, buying the other things that go along with livestock, not just the feed, that we will more than offset the the that small loss of revenue. you know, 89 cents on on two bales of feed doesn't seem like very much, but if I

had walked in there and bought, you know, um couple hundred dollars like I did a few weeks ago, actually bought a lot more than that, but um and and generated a a bunch of sales tax for our community. So, that's that's where this came about. and talking with U. Mayor Wilson. Um, you know, it was something that we've had not just one constituent come up and ask us about. We've had several and so open for discussion I would like to bring up. I went in and researched a lot of this back in uh 2016 is when they made that sales tax exemption. They made it for the purpose of people that were farmers and ranchers, people that were raising animals for food consumption. It was not for people. It was not let's have this big thing and save people money on taking care of their individual pets. Cuz what we're talking about here is basically the pe the few people who actually have horses or chickens. People that are raising chickens are usually in their in their backyard for their own egg consumption. So when I'm looking at this, I mean, we're talking about make I'm just afraid that you're you're thinking about opening up Pandora's box because there is a very very small amount of people in the our total population that have a horse or have chickens as compared to all of the people in this entire area. When you look at people in the downtown area, look at along the south corridor, the only people that this could ever really benefit is the

rural. And that worries me that we're taking a special interest group and saying we're going to do this tax break off the city stuff. And I guarantee you that there are people all across our population that say, "You know what? You want to give a break on feeding an animal. Why don't you give us a break on milk or bread or something that our families or humans eat?" And I am and the fact that this cannot even be measured by si by the city staff. They have no way of knowing what this number would be to affect us at all. Nor did anybody bring in all of the cities in a list which tells us which cities do charge and which had the exemptions. So I don't feel like there was enough information brought for this and I cannot get behind something that is only regarding this was written I'm read all through this in the state legislature. I spoke I saw the things that the different senators and representatives put up it. This was for the farmers and ranchers that were raising animals for consumption. And we are talking mostly when we talk in this town, we're talking about people who may own horses, which is a small percentage when you add up all the population of this city. I'd just like to put that on record.

Mayor, yes. I got three questions. I'm an absolute no unless I have a number on how this is going to affect our budget. I need a hard number. That's number one. Number two, I agree with Bambi. It sounds like a very small minority of our residents would be affected by this. And number three, I have a a point of order question. If this does go to a vote, we have three members on this board that will personally be able to take advantage of this. Is that a conflict of interest?

Mr. Mayor, Mr. Council, I don't see a conflict of interest because there's there's an exemption to conflict of interest if there's more than 10 in a class. So, I don't know how many people buy uh feed in in the city, but I'm sure it's more than 10. So, I don't see a conflict of interest. No, I do not. Okay. But can we get a number what this is? Maybe Matt can tackle that, but we cannot. The state law is very clear about staff understanding specific business interest on sales tax revenue. So maybe Matt or Joel can all collections go straight to the state and this is lumped into a general retail number just as we uh explained in the memo

and uh there's no way we I mean we could ask do I guess if they'd be willing to but but then it gets into tax confidentiality of those who do remit it to the state and we don't expect they would be willing to give us any specific I can't vote yes on something that I don't know how it's going to affect us. I want to know what the bottom line is. Is it $10,000 a year, $100,000 a year? I you know, how do we make this decision and then all of a sudden we find out it hurts us? That's not good. Matt, could we at least reach out to find out if we can get a range or some some number? I don't know what your take is, Joel, but

we can ask. could we at least, you know, um get through the League of Cities, contact somebody at the League of Cities to find out of all the the cities that are in the league, which ones did an exemption and which ones did not. I think that you could find that out and I think that might be on the website, the model tax code. We actually there's something called a model tax code, city and town tax code and that uh is what allowed the option back when the state created the options. This was option uh P or option O, I forget which one. And the city at the time when the city got formed did take that option uh that they will charge. So I think Rob has more information on option 10.

Yeah. Good evening mayor and council. Rob Whistler, uh management analyst for city manager's office. Uh so model option 10 is the actual livestock livestock and poultry feed item which is a separate one from option P which is wholesale which is a different category but they sort of they're they're both related to livestock feed but option 10 is sort of the main one than this. 63 cities out of the uh 91 in the state have option 10 and including us and 17 have option P which we also have as well out of 91. Thank you Rob. Okay. So, coincidentally, and it's kind of weird, um I Googled, you know, Ma, does Mesa charge um tax on livestock feed? And Google spit right back and said, "Yep, it does." I thought, "Well, then why is everybody telling me that they don't?" So, I contacted Mesa Feed Barn and then specifically asked that question. do you charge tax on livestock feed? The guy said no. So to prove my point, you can see the D t time stamp and date. I went down there today right after work and uh bought two bags of feed just to prove to myself yes or no. And the answer was no. They do not charge the tax. You know, I don't know. I mean, that's why we're having the discussion. It's not a vote tonight. It's this is simply to bring it out and if we want to push it forward we can and if we don't want to push it forward it dies today. Can we look in to see if Mesa does or does not because we have a store the head did not charge the tax and eventually somebody went down and told them they needed to

start charging the tax. Is that not correct? That's correct. That is correct and we definitely let's reach out to the city of Mesa and see what they do and other municipalities municipalities around here was what Mesa one of the ones that charge the tax. So I can tell you uh from the uh Arizona Department of Revenue website Mesa does not uh apply option 10. Um what does that mean? They either charge or they don't

they do not they do not charge it. And they also they do not charge option P either which is the other livestock feed item. Excuse me. So you're saying they do or they do not have model 10. They do not they do not have either 10 or Yes. Um, so do we I'm assuming then I mean there my knowledge, correct me if I'm wrong, I think we have three providers really that do provide livestock shoppers, stock shop and malls are there feed what

Paula does not supply feed so two supplements like that maybe vitamin supplements so it's two I'm assuming that the stock shop I think it's two two okay yeah I believe So, I believe that's correct.

I mean, you know, I'm one of these I'm one of the ones that buys this, you know, the feed and stuff. Um, I I guess my take on this or my position is the city lives and dies on its sales tax. And I feel like we need we need to maximize that whenever we can. And I'm I don't feel that I should that we should be taking this and yeah and and exempting it. I think we need to be we need to be consistent and make certain that we're maximizing our our sales tax revenue.

Um yeah, I I actually just have a question for Council Cross. Just as curiosity, so what's the receipt below five minutes later at 52 on the left there? Yeah, cuz that was the um the the print out from the your like So, one's a credit card. That was my debit card charge. The other one, he handed that to me and we loaded up the food and I says, "Wait a minute. This doesn't even say what I bought.

Can you give me a receipt that at least says what I bought?" And that's what the little one is at the top. So the so the price you actually paid through your credit 52 $52 and then they gave you a receipt of what you bought under cash for 5150 right it didn't make sense but that's what he pulled out of the top of the register so I'm assuming he charged me 50 cents for running a debit card no got doesn't say it I'd be a little worried about buying anything from Yeah it's kind on the hinky side You know, at least the receipt over here on AJ, it actually adds up. I'd be a little worried about shopping in Mesa here if I were you.

So, curiosity, I don't I don't purchase. Uh, but this wasn't a hay purchase. No, that was just strictly um the the top one was senior ecoin, which and the the second one down for $21 was a 50 lb bag of alalfa pellets. So is al a bail of alalfa the same price in Mesa as it is? No actually well as of today the price for a bail of alalfa in Mesa was $21.95. I don't know what shoppers it would be today. I assume it's probably similar. Well, right. I bought some you just this past weekend and it was uh $19.99.

Yeah. Everybody's been jacking up the prices because of fuel. Does the price fluctuate like that? Like in a matter of couple weeks? Oh, yeah. AJ AJ's lower than Mesa. Yeah. That much? Well, this was two weeks ago. Today is Yeah. I mean, today add another dollar to that. Yeah. If not more. Um right now, basically, um feed prices are going up anywhere from four to$5 dollars a bail because of fuel costs. I still need a number. I do not like voting on things that I don't know what the facts are.

Well, I'm going to make a quick little comments concerning here a little bit in the aspect on it. you know, is something that, you know, for the the people that have horses um and have livestock, because there is some people that actually have cattle in this area as well, and they buy feed as well for their animals. uh they go to other communities to purchase their feed, their hay, their uh uh supplements. And uh it is something that uh you know, it's something I've faced for many years now since I've lived here. Um, but again, the reason why I shop locally when I can is because of, you know, it benefits our community. It does not benefit you know anyone else where I've talked to other people who refuse to buy any horse related activity or items in the city of Apache Junction because of this one little charge that they do. Mind you, you buy a bridal and a bit, I don't care where you buy it, you're going to pay a sales tax on it. No matter where you buy it, it's not exempt in any other city. It's the over the feed side. And kind of like what Daryl said is when you go and buy feed, if I go by myself, I purchase the feed and I'm out the door I am and that's it. If I go with my wife, she sees something over here and says, "Oh, wait a minute. We need to get this as well. Need to get

this as well." and that, you know, if we're going out of the city to save 89 cents, most likely I'm going to be ending up spending more money over there because of the fact that she's going to buy other things and that sales tax now goes to whatever community that we're buying that in, not in our community. Well, so I think the idea of possibly looking at the funds that we would be losing any aspect on it is something that we could possibly look at

and bring back to us so we can go through and come up with some general numbers in the aspect of how it impacts our community. And one of the things that you have to remember is the rest of everything that you buy in that store is a proper sales tax that the city receives. It's only over the feed. It's not over everything else. But under that philosophy, why would anybody buy food here? That's right. Why would you go to fries and buy food here? You can go to fries and ma mason food. I think and I know people that do that

and they can and that's they're right. But the bottom line is most people aren't going to waste the gas money to go buy that they're going to buy locally. You would hope because the drive over to me is costing you gas and gas is not cheap. So I I I don't like the philosophy of giving a small group a big break. Okay, not even a big break. 89 cent break. I mean that's not even big. But we need to know what the total number is. I can't don't want to bring this back and get more investigation. I Yeah, I just need a number. How much is this going to cost? You want to do an investigation to figure out what it is? Yes, we can. Okay, that's what I'm asking. Okay,

we can look into that. Okay. Cuz that's what I'm looking for is do we want to do look at it? We want to look at it further and have another work session on it is what I would like to see. Another work. Council member Brian, couldn't you say that again for us? I would like us to investigate and come up with some numbers to answer um Brian's concerns. Yes, sir. And um bring it back to a work session. Yes, sir. I would also like to know what percentage of our populace actually owns the animals that we're talking about feeding compared to the grand total.

Okay. Because I kind of work on a 8020 plan. I feel like we should be looking out for the majority of the people, not maybe five to eight%. Any other data? We'll get those and bring it back. Okay. Okay. All right. I will adjourn this meeting.