Plan Commission - Regular Meeting

head and bring the December 9th, 2025 plan commission to order. Micah, can we have a roll call and declaration of quorum, please? Mr. D here. Mrs. here. Mrs. Eman, Miss Re, Mr. Turner, Mrs. Williams, present. Mr. House, present. Mr. Rights, present. Mr. Spencer

here. Forum is present. Uh if we could rise for um quick prayer and pledge of allegiance, please. Dear heavenly father, please give this commission the wisdom to make decisions that are good and healthy for our great community, Anderson, great state, Indiana. Of course, the greatest country in the world, United States of America. Let's please remember that young men and women, even older men and women, are still fighting all over the world for our freedoms. Let's keep them in our hearts. Amen. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Uh there actually are no minutes. The minutes that are listed on the agenda have been approved already. So there are no minutes. Um Tim, can we just go ahead and and do any continuences and tables so that if there are audience members here for those petitions, they don't have to hang around. Sure. Yeah, we're going to kind of reshuffle the agenda. We're bringing u petition 1925 submitted by Redwood Apartments Neighborhoods for zone map change mark 2 to R4. This is located on the southwest corner of Lindberg Road and South Rangeine Road. They are proposing uh to eventually build if approved uh 200 apartments. Um we're just going to continue it.

Yeah. In this case, we did receive letters and if you picked up a staff report, we did receive letters from the um uh Rammonstrator in this case, a neighbor, the lone neighbor on the east side of uh South Scatterfield Road, uh Mr. Steve O'Hiser. It's a good four or five paragraphs, but uh he is out of town and wanted more time to pull together um his um remmonstrance against this if in fact that's what he ends up doing. Uh but he is asking for a 30-day continuence and normally plan commission will allow both sides to have at least one continuance. So sure, you want to do those separately or do them together? We'll just do them together.

Okay. Second one, drop down to very last one. Petition 2225 subed by Kelly Drews. Zone map change from I1 to I2. This is located at 2304 Crystal Street. That's the former military museum that Mr. Mlan had for a number of years. In this case, we just have a short concise uh one one sentence request uh from Mr. Kelly Drews, the petitioner. Uh little background. our our building commissioner went out and met with Kelly uh let him know that the present conditions of his building are not conducive for his property to be addressing a reszone. So he has to get his his um building in line. So he asked for in this case we would like to table our petition until we can finish up working on the building to bring it up to code. So he is also asking for a tableabling there [snorts] of petition 2225. We just continue on both. If we just get a motion to continue.

Mr. President, I'd like to make a motion that we continue petition 19-25 and also petition 22-25. Second. Uh we have a motion and a second to continue petition 1925 and petition 22-25. All in favor signify by saying I please. I. Any opposed? Okay, those will be continued. So if anyone is here for those, there's no reason for you to hang around really want to. Um [laughter] Yep. You're welcome to stay. Okay, Mr. Styers. Uh, next scheduled meetings for that 27th. He's 27th. I just checked it yesterday. It'll be a Tuesday. Third,

third Tuesday. Yeah. 27th. Yes. 27th. Yep. January 27th. Tuesday. You have the floor, Mr. St.

Thank you. Um, moving back to the top of the agenda now, petition 625 submitted by Sugar Fork LLC, Matt Hopkins, Jerry Alexander, and Steven Clemens, seeking primary plat approval for the construction of a 104 unit or 104 lot residential subdivision on a 56 acre site, which is located south or behind the Sugar Commons assisted living facility at East 67th and Columbus Avenue. Uh, this may sound familiar to you. This was originally uh filed back in June. I can go over as much detail as we want. Mr. Styers, do we technically needed to need to remove this from the table?

Oh, it was on the table. We need a motion. Yeah, we need a motion. Mr. President, I make a motion to remove petition 6-25 from the table. Second. We have a motion and a second to remove petition 6-25 from being tabled. All in favor signify by saying I. I. Any opposed? Okay, that is now off the table and now we can discuss

and the reason for the tableabling was there was some questions raised uh by u there might have been some petitioners there. City engineer and the petitioner both were discussing how to resolve the ingress egress access entrance way located uh to the west of the assisted living facility that would access this subdivision. Uh it took six months but uh they have apparently worked out a a compromise on the entrance way. Again I can go through as much detail on this if you want. We did discuss it back in June. I know it's been some time ago. Be more than happy to go through the details if you want. I don't need a whole lot of time unless other commission members do. Uh maybe

I was not I was not here. Can you just give me a like 30 second synopsis of sure

what what the problem is? uh 104 lots uh residential subdivision again wrapping around behind the assisted living facility. Uh the developer has indicated to us the houses will range anywhere from 300,000 to 375,000 uh dollars. Um platting wise they are looking at a primary plat that shows the usual building setback of 30 ft. They're seeking a variance from the 40 foot requirement, which is something we've always granted variances for over the years. Has the 20 foot drainage, utility, and communication easement around the interior perimeter. Uh there's a bridge joining the two sides of this phased construction. Um there is some wetlands involved. The houses house lots will range anywhere from 7,000 square ft, which is the minimum, up to 14,000 square ft. It will have three detention ponds, five wetland common areas, and as I said, a bridge. City Vest is the developer. They hope to build two and threetory homes ranging, as I said, 300,000 to 375,000. Concrete sidewalks will be uh implemented throughout as required by ordinance. Uh they're showing rightaway dedication along Columbus, I'm sorry, East 67th Street. Uh plat review was this was sent to plat review plat review back on June 16th. Minor revisions were completed. Uh we're recommending approval. Uh this primary plat as usual is not to be forwarded to any other governmental unit. Certified notices were sent June 10th. Likewise, legal ad was published June 10th.

I do remember this. Y uh we might have Matt House, our city engineer, speak to his thoughts on the revised upgraded access ride in ride out off of 6 on the south side of E67 Street as as far as meeting his uh uh rules and regs. Thoughts on it? Yeah. Um, I had some concerns about the uh distance from the proposed entrance to uh what's the what? Columbus Avenue.

Columbus Avenue. Um, the uh distance was less than some of the suggestions on on sort of national traffic standards. But so, uh, they did a traffic study and they had ANF engineering look at it and Uh the answer was a ride in ride out only will work. And I asked them to really look into the details of why there there are requirements for separation uh that kind of thing. and um [snorts] with the uh and they looked at the stopping site distance and that kind of thing and how fast a car can stop with a certain amount of notice given the average uh 85th percentile speed and all that kind of thing. Um so anyways they u I think the right outright only will work and they demonstrated that it'll it will be safe. So, I was I think it's good to move forward.

Thank you. Uh, any other further questions from commission members? I have one other question. Yes. Is this um in our city's waste district or is this South Madison? Just a developer here from Yeah, you guys. Is it um South? South Madison. South Madison. Okay. That's what I thought. Any other questions from commission? We have representatives here from the petitioner if you'd like to question any of them.

Anyone want to question the petitioners? Is any is anyone in the audience have questions, concerns, remmonstrance with this petition? Seeing none, we're ready to take action. Mr. President, I move to approve petition 625 uh for a 104 lot subdivision to be known as Sugar Fork subdivision. Second. We have a motion and a second to approve petition 6-25, an amended primary plat. Micah, can we get a roll call vote of the commission members, please? Mr. Rubs, yes. Mr. Cole, yes. Mr. Williams, yes. Mr. House, yes. Mr. Right? Yes. And Mr. Spencer? Yes. Motion pass. How soon will these houses be built? Start being built?

Well, we're just at the primary plat stage, so they do have to do a final plat yet. Uh this will be a shot in the arm if it it does go through final approval because we are very low on available single family residential lots throughout the city. So that's why I was wondering. Yeah, it'll be a big plus. Any idea? This spring. Next spring hopefully. Have to have a special meeting for that primary plan just so he said just soon as they can get it through. So probably spring. Yeah. Okay. Excellent. Thank you. Moving on. Thanks guys. Thanks. Thank you. Thank you.

Next petition 1525 submitted by ATVMS Trust LLC and Alexander Shapiro and Kevin Willis. Property is located in the 500 to 700 blocks of East 38th Street. It's on the south side of the road. It's the area in the dash black line uh directly west of Advanced Auto Parts and directly west of the burned out uh Dollar General store which is now under reconstruction. Property is a single track containing a little over five acres. Site is a vacant piece of property, kind of a meadow looking type piece of property, slightly hilly, overgrown and partially wooded. site is across the street from the former Oaks Apartments, now called the Stonebrook Apartments. Property is currently zoned I3 Industrial. Petitioner is seeking a zone map change. Petitioner comes before the plan commission. They are seeking a zone map change from the FI for the five acres from I3 Industrial to I1 Industrial. There's your zoning. Uh the I1 uh zoning opens the property up for uh further development. I3 zone class is a zone class where excellent industrial sites occur. Special exception is required from the BCA if it were to remain I3. Dwellings and residences are permitted but businesses are not. Uh the I proposed I1 zone class uh which is industrial allows most industrial developments and their expansion. It does allow for business uses and most residential uses. Uh, this piece of property is surrounded on all sides by the following. The affected five acres is bounded on three sides, east, west, and south by property zoned I3. That would be the Hilltop Heights subdivision to the south. Some residential sub residential houses also

to the west. And then you have commercial advanced auto parts and um the burned out Dollar General to the to the east. I'm sorry. um across 38th Street to the north as I mentioned is zoned I2. It's occupied by houses and vacant ground and I1 zoning which is occupied by the old oaks apartments now known as Stone Brook Apartments. Uh purpose of this proposed resoning at least uh given to us by the petitioner. Uh the five acres earmarked for the reasonzoning has been targeted by the petitioners for one commercial use on the front or north end of the property while a single family home will be built on the south end. The new home will adjoin the hilltop height subdivision to the south. comp plan does show this as medium density residential which allows for single family homes, schools, parks, and churches. So, since they do plan to build a house on part of the property, it would not be in conflict with the comprehensive plan. In closing, it is the responsibility of the petitioner to demonstrate that the character of this property in question has changed and the highest and best use of this property is to reszone it from I3 to I1. Here's a picture. There's the plat just is that kind of a meadow type looking partially wooded site. That's the only picture I had. Uh staffwise, we are recommending approval of the proposed zone map change from I3 to I1 because of the following. The affected acreage is surrounded by or abuing other pre-existing residential uses and the new I1 zone class allows for residential development. The proposed I1 zone class is not in conflict with the comp plan because the I1 zone class allows for residential uses as well as business uses. Plus, there are several other pre-existing homes already in the general vicinity

surrounding this proposed I1 site. Certified mail notices were sent out on November 28th as required. Uh legal ad was published a day earlier on November 27th. You do have an extensive findings and fact sheet in your packet. Uh, attorney Kevin Willis is the attorney. He may be accompanied by Alex Shapiro. Serve. Okay. Okay. I do know that name, too. Approach the podium. You'll give your name and address. Uh, my name is Sergey. I My home address. Uh, business is fine.

Business is fine. Um, my business is in Chesterfield, uh, 4998 East County Road 67, Anderson, Indiana 46017. Uh, I have a quick question before we get too far along. In in your findings of facts, uh, under paragraph three, it specifically says, "Attached and marked exhibit A is a visual representation of the owner's concept for improvements to the land." And I don't have that exhibit there. It's It's non-existent. Um, that was a typo on the attorney's side. Um, we currently do not have any exact plans for the development of that lot. So, that needs to be stricken from those findings of fact then, right?

I would. Yeah. Let's go ahead and do that now. Uh, with your permission, you're going to strike paragraph three attached and mark exhibit A. You're just going to strike that whole paragraph. Correct. Correct. Okay. Okay, that was my quick question. I have one other question. Sure. Um Tim, this map that was provided us shows this at 2 573 probably a printing area. It is. It's it's it's just under five acres. That a city map?

Uh yes, plat map. Hanging plat map from years ago. just happened to come across it. So, it is five acres, not two acres. Correct. You also mentioned that this was going to be split and there was going to be a business on the front.

So, from my understanding that the zoning application was uh an attempt to it was just proactive zoning. So, this is going to be most likely a storefront, small business um kind of a kind of a situation. So, from what I understand, what I've been told the most recently um is multi multi- um what are they calling this? A multi-use storefronts business for small businesses. So, that's what it's going to be from what I'm understanding at this time. The strip center, is that what you're saying? Right. So commercial as in similar to Advance Auto to the east, Dollar General which is being rebuilt to the east.

It it'll be it'll be smaller. It will it will fit with the small businesses. So if you think of small stores maybe like Den Studios or something like that. Yes. Sir, what is your relationship to the applicants? I represent ATVMS Trust. I I work with them. I'm sorry. You're an attorney, you mean? No, just a representative. You've been designated by them to speak on their behalf here this evening. Yes, sir. So, who do you work for? I work for many companies, but I was hired by them to be here tonight. [laughter] So, so Mr. President, I'm not very I'm not comfortable with this. Okay. In any way, shape, or form. Okay. Um, we don't know what's going in.

Even though in the findings of facts, it says that you know what's going in, but you're unsure what's going in. I know that there are residents here that live in the neighborhood back there. Um, you know, I don't understand why it's I don't feel like you really even understand why you're going from I3 to I1. What the the possibility of developing if we're putting businesses there instead of only just residential. The um the I3 zone only allows certain types of residential and industrial and that's it. The I1 zone would open it up to retail or all types of residential. Yeah. It's the gain flexibility is what it is. And the I3 requires BCA approval for any project that would be

right. So we're aware of that. Right. It's not. So yeah, once we have a solid plan of action, of course, we will run the once you have a solid plan of action that I would be more comfortable coming here and okaying this, especially on the uh um council side of things. Um because I'm pretty sure that these people here don't want just up in the air that something could go there. It could be a dance studio. That would be great. But it, you know, and I know it has to go for the BZA. Like I get all that that I appreciate those um protections, but I'm just telling you as this commission commissioner member as well as the council, which you'll have to go before the council as well. That's where I'm sitting.

I would point out that this is a nine member body and there are six members present. So, if you were to lose two votes, that would be a fail. And it's and all that is is a suggestion. It still goes to the council. It could pass the council and that's what does the reasoning. Okay. Um but I'm just telling you where I sit and I sit here. I I understand what you're saying completely. Completely. [laughter] [clears throat] Senator Landon, go ahead. Seems to behoove me that it' be better if I know you're a representative. You're designated by them, but you're not the applicants. It seems like maybe and the attorney could not be here either that actually submitted that.

The attorney and some of his findings of facts are a little rough in light of what Craig just said and what she just said. I'm probably more apt to be in line with her. Okay. Probably suggest it. Probably should ask for a continuence. Let's Let's do that. Yeah. Let's do that 30 days and u we'll have somebody here that has more detailed information that maybe will be more convincing. Yeah. and some drawings and some the the only other thing I would like to ask our staff is this is I3 and it appears to me everything on both sides of it is I3. Um the whatever's to the east is a vacant lot and then there's another appears to be a landlocked lot. That's I3 and to the west of it those are houses. Correct.

Yes. That are permitted in I3. But to independently change this to I1 we're spot zone. Correct. Exactly. I wouldn't exactly call it a spot zone right I3 that's spot

but I1's industrial zone class two. So it's a form of industrial zoning which does permit retail and does permit uh residential. But I guess my thing is if in order to bring retail there, I want to have good reasoning behind the retail and I want to know not just generally, you know, we've already put a lot of blocks up against community stores and all of those other things, but but the fact is is I want to have more information before because it to me it is a spot zoning when we don't have information. If you had more specific than reasons why we should spot zone, then that's a whole different conversation. My reason for saying spot zoning is if you look to the west of it, look across the street, that's residential, right?

It may be I3, but it's permitted residential on I3, right? I agree with you. This would definitely be business. Micah, um, note also, you're going to need to know better what you're going to do because ultimately you're going to have to flatt it. If you get approved, you have to flatt it and if there's going to be a residence or something behind that retail, you're going to have access to it. You can't land all of that back there. So, a lot more. That's That's understandable, right? It seems like the people you work for have a a whole lot of work to do before

Make sure you let them know that they're findings of fact have to represent what they're doing. They're referencing a lot of residential development, but that doesn't sound like that's what's going to happen. That the the the findings of facts really need to match what they're they're trying to That's what we're approving is the find. You oppose it again. Continue. I'm not opposing. Mr. President, I make a motion to continue. Yes, please. Petition 15-25. Second. We have a motion to continue petition 15-25. All in favor say I, please. I. Any opposed? We'll just continue till next month. Okay. Thanks for your time. Are there any neighbors here that wanted to speak? Yes. There are one person here.

I mean, you might as well let them know what they need to be worrying about next. Mom, I'll I'll take notes and relay the information. Well, I live in Hilltop Heights there. Okay. So, you're right behind. Yes. right here. And your name?

Oh, Christy Kowski, Hilltop Heights, Anderson. Um, and so just the idea, I so appreciate you and doing your due diligence in this and finding out exactly what's just to know what's going in there and not just rubber stamping it without knowing, oh, it's going to be business. We don't know what business. And I've lived in that neighborhood for 30 years. And I don't live I wouldn't back up to that, but I'm really close to that street that backs up to it. and I'd be really concerned about what's going there. So, I I appreciate the time that you take in considering all this. Thank you. Thank you. Next meeting is January 27th, so put that on your calendar. Anybody else?

Okay, let's move on. Thank you guys.

Thanks. Thanks, Sergey. Next petition is petition 1825, ordinance 3325. This is submitted by Michael Johnson. He is located at 2927 South Rangeline Road. The area outlined in black. Mr. Johnson's property consists of two parcels totaling a little over 13 acres almost 13 and a half. Uh the large track where the house and buildings out buildings are is currently zoned R3 while the adjoining former railroad rightway almost 4 acres is zoned I2. Michael does the 13 Where am I? 13.44 include the railroad that's in the 13 two blocks the railroad,

but they total 13.44. Okay. Just wanted to be sure everybody's clear on that. Uh the railroad right away is owned I2 Industrial. How long have you owned that? He probably come up to the introduc. Yeah, I probably should. [cough and clears throat]

Hey everybody, I'm Michael Johnson. I own Modern Tree Solutions, a local tree service that's been established a little bit over four years. And we're seeking uh I1 from R3 at 2927 South Orange Road. uh his plan would be to uh live in the property. He's going to renovate the house. He would also like to move or relocate his tree trimming business uh to the accessory buildings on the property, hence uh wanting to reszone it to I1, which allow residential and businesses. Again, he is seeking to reszone the 13.4 acres from R3 and I2 to I1. Uh, I would remind plan commission members to remain focused on does the proposed I-1 zoning fit in or is it compatible with the surrounding zonings and uses nearby. Nearby are I1 properties and I2 occupied by the Anderson Rifle and Pistol Club to the north, Rian's Masonry to the north, and there are two city solar parks to the east and to the south. comp plan classifies this property as medium density residential. Petitioners indicated his purpose is to uh keep the residential house and renovate it. Uh that would put this uh proposed resoning not in conflict with the comprehensive plan. The I1 zone class does allow residential uses. Staff is recommending approval of this proposed resoning. the affected acreage is surrounded by or abuing other pre-existing uh uses uh single family homes or the businesses that I mentioned. The proposed I1 industrial zoning is not in conflict with the city comprehensive plan which classifies this property as medium density residential. Again, I1 does allow for residential uses, and there are a handful of pre-existing single family homes already in the general vicinity to the north and to the west, plus various businesses, as I mentioned.

Also, the International Union of uh Operating Engineers, IO school, and also their credit union, which is directly across the street. Certified mail notices were sent out November 20th. Legal ad was published November 29th. You do have a nice findings and fact sheet in your packet. As you can see, Mr. Johnson is here to u represent himself and answer any questions. Do we have any questions for the petitioner? Um, how what kind of uh barns or different structures are you planning on building?

I have no plans of any additional uh buildings. So, as of right now, there are currently four structures on the property. one being a dwelling, main dwelling, the other being a pool barn. Um, another there's the pole barn there. You can see it's pretty good size. Correct. And then there's a um a barn behind that along with a small shed. So, we don't have any plans for building now um or in the foreseeable future. Do you live there now? I currently don't. Okay. But you're you're wanting to move into it. The house that's on the property

potentially. Um we haven't had we had uh people come out and start quoting some things. is a big undertaking. The property's been um abandoned for almost a year now and um a a lot of trash is everywhere. So, we we've cleaned up the property a lot already. Um you know, there there is a livable space in the pool barn. Um Oh, but there's not a house. It looked like there was there is it just that's the most extensive work that needs done is in the house and we're not sure if it's if it's worth trying to save or Right. I got it. I understand. The house is right there. Yeah, that's Yeah, you have a tree business. You said I do. You plan on planting trees through there?

No. So, we are a end to end tree service. So, we do tree removal, tree trimming, stump grinding, um in that nature. We also own a crane service as well. So, our primarily primary use for that property is a park equipment outside. Um we also are a distributor of firewood and we also would like to start selling malt. So that's kind of why we would like to move our business from where it's currently at into a more suitable area with more acreage. Are you on the county now? We are. Yes. That's county. See it on this aerial, but the those lots are completely full with the solar

panels. The older aerial like all that per purple right there is completely filled up in the to the east. So it's not as you know rural as it looked. He's not going to be bothering neighbors with his Mr. Johnson. I might have missed it, but what is the name of your business? Modern Tree Solutions and Modern Crane Solutions. Any further? The city owns the parcel to the north and it's the solar park. Yeah, there's water tower. Where the water tower? Oh, where the water tower is? Yeah. He'll have to get a special exception from the board of zoning appeals for outside storage too for what he's planning to do.

Um, any further questions from the commission? Does anyone in the audience have questions, concerns, or monstrance regarding this petition? We'll need a motion. Remember, this motion requires findings of fact. So, if if you find them approval approvable those yet, go ahead. I make a motion that we approve um petition 1825 with the findings of facts as presented to us. A motion and a second to approve petition 18-25. Can we get a roll call vote of the commission members, please? Mr. Grubs, yes. Mrs. Yes. Mrs. Williams, yes. Mr. House, yes. Mr. Yes. Mr. Spencer,

yes. Pass. And then you'll be at the city council meeting on Thursday. It'll actually be January. January, not until January. Okay. And then you'll probably have to come before the board of zoning appeals, too, it sounds like. So, so many meetings. Yep. That's okay. Good luck. I appreciate you guys. Thank you. [snorts] Thanks, Michael. Y,

Mr. Styers, we're whittling down the list. We're down to petition 2025. This is submitted by Crew Car Wash and the engineering firm of Kimley Horn. Property is located on the northeast corner of South Scatterfield Road and Mountains Road. We all know that corner. It is the former Mark Motor Inn and also where the Wingon restaurant is. This is the site of the now demolished motel. Uh the site is also across from Mounds Road from the uh current Wawwa that's under construction on the souththeast corner of Mounds in Scatterfield. Site does contain 2.12 acres. Sorry. Always forget.

I know. I know.

It's a little red almost square right there in the middle. It's a little hard to see. There's a bigger picture of it. [snorts] [cough and clears throat] As I said, site does contain 2.12 acres. It is zoned B1 on the western third, B2 on the eastern 2/3. All utilities are available to this site. Uh they are proposing a primary plat. Uh petitioner is before the plan commission to formally plat this 2.12 acres into a single legal lot. As you can see, it's made up of at least three, maybe four separate partals. Two lots were originally platted and then there's an unplatted tract along the uh west western edge. Petitioner filed the primary plat for the one lot subdivision name called Crew Car Wash primary plat. Um, this, uh, is Kukar Wash's second facility to be located in Anderson. Uh, my understanding is they were drawn to the site due to the traffic probably to be generated by the Waw Wa right across the street. So, go get your goodies and snacks and gas, then come across the street and get the car washed is is the idea. Proposed primary plat is rather simple. Um it does show uh a 30-foot front building setback line. It's a corner lot. Uh so the 30- foot building setback is both along South Scatterfield Road and along Mounds Road. Again, B1 B2. That is the um minimum building setback 30 foot. The proposed plat shows the required 20ft drainage, utility, and communication easement around the entire interior perimeter of the single lot plat. A 10- foot and 18 foot wide electronic easement, electrical easement, I'm sorry, is noted on the western uh fourth of the lot. A

20 foot and 54 1/2 ft wide drainage easement is shown running through the northern third of the proposed plat. Guess I could show the plat. There's the plat. I highlighted most of the building setbacks and easements and so forth throughout the plat. Staff notes this site is being earmarked for Anderson's second crew car wash. Staff-wise, we are recommending approval of the crew car wash primary plat. This primary plat, if approved, is not to be forwarded to any other governmental unit. As required, certified mail notices were sent out on November 21st. Legal ad was published on November 27th. uh petitioner is here in the persons of John I'm sorry Josh Non from Kimley Horn and Travis Smith from Crew Car Wash. Guys, if you'd come up, identify yourselves, give an address, and then fill in anything I might have left out.

While they're coming up here, I I already know I'm going to get this question. I have two questions. Probably the same one. Are they closing Wing On? That's what [laughter] that's my question. Um, all I know is the wing on I think they're moving. They could be moving to Mounds Road where the Arby's was next to the Pizza Hut. I think that's slated for a Chinese restaurant. It makes sense. They're going to ask me. That's That's the wing on that little tip up there. Right. That's not my two questions. Okay. My two questions are, are you going to keep the existing crew car wash open? That was another question. Yes. Yes. But second, is this one going to have an interior [clears throat] cleaning? Going to have a what?

Interior cleaning. No, the No, the lot's not big enough. I'm sorry. Come down. I'm sorry. Travis Smith, Crew Car Wash, 11650 exit 5 Parkway, Fischers, Indiana. Um, no, there's not enough space. It It requires the stacking for the interior and exterior cleans are very tricky and it has to be laid out a very specific way. this one with where the exit and entrance points are getting everybody back and forth. We we'd have to buy maybe the next two properties next door to make it work. So, this one right now is is not earmarked for an interior clean.

You have the site plan in your pack and it's up on the wall too. That's this proposed site plan. Uh you might let us in on why you chose to put a second story in Anderson. Is there some reason why? Sure. We have several markets across Indiana where cars. Is that what you said? A lot of dirty cars.

Yeah. Yeah. We have several markets across Indiana with historic crew sites that have matured and are the point where they need some relief. Anderson, Brownsburg, Planefield, Carmel, there's a handful where we're putting second locations fairly close to the existing location because the existing location needs some relief and the second location that's there will we think will generate enough business to support itself. So Anderson just happened to be one of the ones where we've been looking for a location on the north side for quite a while. I used to do all the real estate for Ricker Oil, so I know Anderson really well. So, it's been we've been keeping eye on this corner for quite some time. So, it ended up that this worked out being a good one. And we're neighbors with Wawa and several other cities across the market. So, um yeah, it just ended up being a good fit.

Okay. Any further questions from commission members? Yes, Mr. House. You guys have a uh an approved INDOT driveway permit? No, it's not a final approved permit. Both of the curb cuts that you're showing have been preliminary presented to INDOT. They were supportive of both of them. They're both right in right outs, leftins. Neither of them are full cuts. And so, um, that's what's been presented to INDOT. We do not have the final approvals yet, but they've been presented with what I'm describing for. So, the huge cut on Scatterfield will be narrowed down as part of this project. I think it's pretty wide. I think right now I think right now it shows as 36 but it is restricted. There's no left out. It's just a left in.

I think part of the thinking there is the grades there are a little tricky and so we wanted to make sure that it was wide enough that people could have good visibility north and south because the sloping there for the curb starts to get a little more severe. So any further questions? Yep. Does anyone in the audience have any When do you hope to start work? The spring. Spring. This is on the docket for a 2026 build. So, same time, if the weather permits, March, I'm sorry, about the same time as Wawa. Yeah, they'll be open before we are. Ours take about 6 months and they've got the steel up for their building. They'll probably be open about when we're starting construction. Okay. So, yeah.

Uh, seeing no further questions, we're ready to take action. Mr. President, I move to approve petition 2025 for the primary plat for a subdivision to be known as crew car wash subdivision. Second. We have a motion and a second to approve petition 20-25. Can we have a roll call vote of the commission members, please? Mr. Grubs, yes. Mrs. Cole, yes. Mrs. Williams, yes. Mr. House, yes. Mr. Heights, yes. Mr. Spencer, yes. Thank you. Thank you. Good luck. Thanks, guys. Appreciate it. And Mr. Styers, we have reached our last petition for tonight in blazing speed. Wow. Keep talking.

Yeah, keep moving. Slow down. [laughter] Petition 2125.

Uh, submitted by P A D LLC. This is for a replat of lot number nine in Towns and Estates. This property, if I pull it up, this property contains 13.33 acres. It is located on the northwest corner of West 67th and Production Drive in Towns and Estates. Acreage is vacant farm ground which um carries a zone class of I3. This lot number nine was originally platted in 1998. is part of the towns and estate that is throughout that that uh I'll say that farming corner. You've got several former DRRA plants that were built there. Uh fence fence um coding company uh formerly American playground. And there's the second Wawa that should be on the corner of 67th and Martin Luther King just north of the Memorial Park Cemetery. the proposed replat. Basically, they're wanting to reduce the size of this large lot into two separate, maybe more marketable lots. Uh, so they're creating two lots. The new lots will be labeled lots 9A and 9B. Lot 9A contains 6 acres while 9B will contain 7.33 acres. The lots will front both West 67th Street and Production Drive. The lots show a 75- ft front building setback as lot 9B fronts onto West 67th Street, while a 30-foot setback is shown as the two lots face production drive. A 20ft drainage utility and communication easement is shown around the entire interior perimeter of the two lots. Plus, a 20ft drainage utility and communication easement is noted straddling the lot line between the two lots. A 5-ft recorded utility easement is shown along

the south property line of proposed lot 9B. A 30foot recorded sewer and utility easement is shown along the west property line of both new lots. Staff-wise, we are recommending approval of the two lot replat of lot 9 in towns and estates. If approved, this replat should be forwarded to the board of works for the acceptance of the replat, easements, covenants, and dedications. Uh legal ad was published as required on November 29th. Petitioner is here. And look who is here. It's Steve Serve. His lone petition to be heard tonight. I can't get through a meeting without him. No.

Oh, Steve Serve Service Engineering and Surveying and Precise Land Surveying for this one too. 920 Main Street. Uh the owner of this property here, he's had some interest in the property, but nobody wanted 13 acres. So, he thought the best thing to do would be to go ahead and split it. I think the potential of the Wawa there is created a little bit more interest uh in that area also. So, he decided to be proactive and go ahead and get this done. What is that zoned? I did you say that? I'm sorry. I believe it's I3. Yes, I So, a special exception would be required. And I'm happy to answer any questions anyone might have.

Any questions from the commission members for petitioners representative? Mr. Servies. Clearly, Waw Wa generates new interest as we just saw. It does. Yep. They have very good food. What I hear, never been, but I will go. Cheap gas, too. Wa has good food. Could be Memorial Park, too. Definitely. And gas. They have good gas. Cheap gas. OT [laughter] after this. Okay. Uh, does anyone in the audience want to speak for or against this or have questions about this petition? You're just here for the entertainment. Yeah, this is just this is entertainment right here. Make a motion to I don't know what else you need. Better than watching TV. That's make a motion to approve petition 21-25.

Second. We have a motion to approve petition 21-25. Can we And a second. Can we get a roll call vote of the commission members, please? Mr. Rubs. Yes. Mult. Yes. M. Williams. Yes. Mr. House. Yes. Right. Yes. Mr. Spencer. Yes. Pass. Thank you. That was really easy for you, Mr. Servies. Probably the easiest one you've had all year. Pretty much. Yeah. Well, you guys were wore out, too. It's always good to be last sometimes. [laughter] Uh, got it got continued. Oh, that's the 1920. Yeah. Uh, anything else? just have you sign the plat replat when you finish.