Commission on Persons with Disabilities - Regular Meeting

The regularly scheduled meeting for the Commission on Persons with Disabilities, Wednesday, March 11, And, we'll go ahead and call to order. We'll start with roll call, please. Chair Mullins?

Here.

Vice Chair Bondsmith?

Here.

Commissioner Beeler?

Here.

Commissioner Knedler? Here. Commissioner Lipp? Commissioner Lyons?

Here.

And Commissioner Schmitz?

Here.

Okay, thank you. Next agenda item is non agenda public comment. Seeing that there is none, we'll move to the minutes. This is just this is the only consent calendar item are the minutes from 01/14/2026. So hopefully you all had a chance to review those. And if all looks good and you've reviewed and are ready to approve, then we can do a motion to approve.

I'll motion to approve.

I'll second.

Okay. Thank you. And then all in favor say aye.

Aye. Okay.

So that's approved unanimously. Thank you. And so now into regular agenda items. Our first agenda item for this evening is City of Alameda staff member, Danielle Mueller, represent the CARP annual report 2025. That's the climate and resiliency plan. Pull up your slides.

Good evening. I'm Danielle Mueller. I'm sustainability and resilience manager for the city of Alameda, and I'm really pleased to be here tonight to share with you our 2025 annual report for the climate action and resiliency plan of the city. We have a plan that is really ambitious. It was adopted originally in 2019.

It was updated last year in 2025. Our goals as a city are to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by 50% below 2005 levels by 2030, to reach net zero emissions by 2045, and to prepare for the climate impacts that we're facing, such as shoreline flooding, rising groundwater, as well as heat, smoky air we've experienced in the past, and earthquakes and liquefaction. Earthquakes not necessarily climate related, but liquefaction can have a connection with groundwater. We did as part of that 2025 update, we did a new greenhouse gas emissions inventory for 2022, and that inventory showed that a little over half of our emissions in the city come from driving cars on the road. About a third come from, burning fossil fuels, natural gas in buildings, that's residential and nonresidential.

And then the remainder is, off road engines or things like generate portable generators, lawn equipment, leaf blowers, and then, solid waste and water and wastewater. We created this last year a metrics hub to track how we're doing against all of the metrics in CARP. There's quite a few metrics for each of our focus areas. I should have put a slide in here but focus areas include, transportation emissions, so, active transportation and vehicle electrification, building emissions, natural gas reduction in buildings, zero waste, urban forestry, and then a community activation and education. It's really acknowledging that the city can only do so much on our own, and we really rely on our partnerships with the community to achieve our reduction.

And then city leadership is about us showing by example when we do things like electrify our fleet and retrofit our buildings. So for each of those focus areas, we have a lot of metrics so we can track how we're doing towards our goals. And we created this metrics hub, which is on our website, and I invite you all to check it out. There's, many metrics on that website, and it's interactive. One of the things the first metric is showing our greenhouse gas emissions from that 2022 inventory compared to some of the previous inventories we've done.

And, the really exciting news is that we are have reduced our community wide emissions by 29% since 2005, and we're really on track to hit that goal of 50% reduction by 2030. A big contributor to that emissions reduction was AMP transitioning to 100% clean electricity in 2020. And with that, our big task now is to transition our vehicles and our buildings to using that clean electricity with things like electric vehicles, heat pumps for, water and space heating, induction cooktops, and electric dryers. And that right there pretty much sums up, like, our CARP strategy. We have, actually met some of our 2030 goals already.

So miles of bikeways, we have a target of 70 miles of bikeway by 2030. We're at 61 and we still have five years to go. So we're really on we've been doing two to three miles a year, so we're right on track there. We had a target of, 12% of all the vehicles registered in Alameda being electric. We are currently at 11%.

Average indoor water use, we have a goal of reducing that to 42 gallons per person per day. We are at 43 gallons as of 2024 per person per day. And natural gas consumption citywide, this is I got this is data that came from PG and E that showed us, like, how much gas they sold to Alameda customers in 2024. And we were at 14.7, I think that's million therms of gas, but that is essentially our goal was to get to that level by 2030. So we're really on track on a in a lot of ways in some of our big metrics.

We have more work to do, of course, particularly with building electrification and vehicle electrification, getting people out of their cars to walk and bike when possible, planting more trees and reducing our waste. But I think we're making we need to focus, but I think we're making progress. And I'll show you some of the things that we did last year. So in 2025, we had a really active year. We deployed our first public curbside EV chargers.

Those were at the Everett Commons Housing Authority, apartment complex on Eagle Avenue. Those are now live and we have plans to deploy more curbside chargers throughout the city. We also just made live three new public chargers at Bohol Circle Immigrant Park over behind Target. Those are live, and they are being used, which is great. We are looking at additional city lots and trying to bring chargers to as many of our city owned parking lots as we can as well.

AMP issued a lot of rebates for residential and commercial EV charging, 55 e bike rebates, and 47 used EV rebates. We as a city adopted requirements that when single family and duplex homeowners, do remodels in their homes, that if they are replacing an air conditioner or moving an air conditioner or buying a new air conditioner, that should it should be a heat pump that also provides heating and cooling, using electricity. And if those homeowners are doing remodels, that are touch that remodels that include electrical updates and those electrical updates are happening near appliances, that they, provide an outlet for future electrification. So for a heat pump, for a heat pump water heater, a stove, or a dryer that you would have an outlet so that you can be ready for, the future. We had a home electrification fair last year.

It was at Faction Brewing. We're gonna have another one this year, on May 2. It's gonna be in conjunction this year with the Alameda Bike Festival. So we're hoping to get some some new audience and some new, people come by the festival. I hope you can attend.

AMP provided a lot of rebates also for, things like water heaters, furnaces, dryers, electric panel upgrades, and induction cooktops, which was great. The city updated its and adopted and updated, zero waste implementation plan. Parks has been supporting a lot of volunteer tree planting events in parks. And if you've driven by, Main Street Linear Park this year, you'll notice there are more than a 100 new trees. They were all planted by volunteers, many of them high school students that I went to visit, during one of those days, and they were having the best time.

We started in 2024 and continued in 2025 a youth climate ambassador program, and that is led by a high school intern that works in my office, comes in once a week after school, and she is helping us organize all environmental clubs at the Alameda High School, and those club leaders come and meet at city hall. They hear what we're doing, what programs, we have that they can plug into, and they're, also coordinating amongst themselves so they can get ideas from each other about different climate events they can have on their campuses. In 2026, we've got lots of plans as well. We're going to be updating that greenhouse gas inventory for the year 2024. We're a little bit behind, but we're trying to catch up.

We want to make sure we're we're tracking as we get closer to 2030. We're also going to do a municipal inventory, so that's going to look specifically at city operations and city buildings and city, vehicles. We're going to continue to deploy our public chargers, curbside and city parking lots. We're looking at some additional requirements. I mentioned the AC to heat pump replacement requirements for single family residential.

We got some cost effectiveness studies for non residential and it's cost effective to do that for non residential buildings as well. So we're looking at that. I mentioned the home electrification fair. The zero waste plan adopted and they're looking to start implementation and there's some budget requests this year for that. And then our urban forest plan, is should be coming to City Council for adoption later this year.

And parks is continuing to find new opportunities for planting trees in parks with volunteers. Sea level rise is another area of big focus for us in the city. Last year, we supported the climate arts initiative, Rising Tides, which included, the Bandaloop, event out in, Building 43, the Rising Seas dance performance series that happened. There was a photography festival, a whole bunch of events that I think really brought people out to the shoreline and educated them and, taught them a lot while they also really enjoyed art and culture. We had a sea level rise planning fair at REAP Climate Center this past September.

That was a culmination of our first phase of citywide planning. We had a 150 people come. It was a really great event at the REAP Climate Center, lots of activity. Additionally, the city council approved some initial design concepts for adaptation projects at Bay Farm Island and at the estuary near the Posey Webster Tubes, and we are excited to have secured grant funding, for that Bay Farm Island project. We're gonna continue that to the next phase.

We also got grant funding to continue the next phase of our shoreline adaptation plan and that plan is going to meet the requirements of the Bay Conservation Development Commission to meet SB two seventy two requirements for every shoreline community in the Bay to create a shoreline adaptation plan by 2034. So we were one of the first, I think, or five communities to officially launch that process, and, we're excited to get started with that next phase. And then we're continuing to to get to look for funding for more projects. We've got the estuary project. The estuary project that was approved still needs funding, and we're looking at a project on the South Shore Beach area, which we've seen with the king tides, has created some flooding issues in the immediate term that need to be addressed.

With all of that, we're going to continue outreach and education. We are using paid community partners to help us with that outreach. They've really been able to, multiply what we can do. They've been out at, on the beach on the weekends. They've been at the farmers market.

They've hosted walking tours. They hosted a couple of kayak tours to get people into the water. We did in person workshops, all kinds of, ways to sort of engage people and really focusing on, the people who don't necessarily come to a public meeting on a Saturday afternoon for two hours, but really trying to expand and get the information out to as many people as possible. So with that, happy to take any questions. We will be taking this report to the city council on, March 17 and asking them to adopt it. And if you have any comments you want me to put forward to city council, I'm happy to do that as well.

I

have a clarification question. I was wondering, how did you choose the metrics that you chose and also choose the goals associated with those metrics?

The goals were largely selected when the plan was first updated or created in 2019. As part of the plan update process, we had a lot of stakeholder meetings. We did surveys. We went to boards and commissions and city council, and got feedback on whether those were still the right goals. And we essentially they they were they were modified a little bit based on feedback.

We also wanted to be consistent with the state. So the the net zero emissions by 2045 aligns with our state goal, and that was one that we'd shifted a little bit to be better aligned, with the state. And we also looked around at what other jurisdictions were doing, and what was, what was feasible for us and while being ambitious and able to meet to meet goals scientifically, relevant goals.

And do you have a sense of how Alameda compares? I know we're not at that 2030 time point, but how Alameda compares to similar communities who are making similar efforts or under similar climate related pressures?

I haven't seen specific numbers from other communities, but I don't think that many other communities can say that they are on track. And so we so I think it's we should have a lot to be proud of that we are on track. We actually got recognized by the from the Institute of Local Governments, with a Beacon Award this year for our efforts on greenhouse gas reductions. I think we're incredibly lucky that we have a municipal utility with affordable electric rates that is providing a 100% clean electricity, and it makes our job just so much easier. So I think that has gotten us a lot farther than many other communities can be.

And like I said, I think our mission now is to really just talk to people about how we can shift from those appliances that run on fossil fuels to pushing them on to clean electricity and the technologies are a 100% there and really good and really affordable.

And one final clarification question. You mentioned the Bay Farm Island Sea Level Rise project had received 60% design funding for 60% design. What does that mean? Is it funding for the design?

Yeah. So we're we're designing in phases. So when you're doing, like, a capital project like that, there's typically, like, 10% design, 30%, 60%, 90%, and then a 100% in construction. So it's just refining the design. We started out with kind of a high level concept, and then we got that approved by council. And then as we each phase is just refining the design and providing more detail. So it's just sort of showing we're 60% of the way to a 100% design, and when we have that, we'll be ready for construction.

Do you know when that's gonna be?

I'm just

Well, it's gonna be funding dependent. I think our funding for the 60% design is over the next two years, and then we'll it'll be a few more years after that to finish the design. And then we need And then the big fundraising is that we need money for construction, which is the really expensive part. And so that's going to be dependent on getting the funding.

Thank

you. Hi. Thank you for the presentation. I learned quite a lot already. A couple of questions. I'm just wondering one thing about the EV charging placements. How what were you thinking in terms of more of

those? So we have two programs that we're working on. One is in city owned parking lots. So that's like Ed Parks, the downtown lot across from the theater, the public lot that's off Webster on Santa Clara and Hait, the library on Bay Farm Island, that kind of thing. So city owned public parking lots, and we're looking to add chargers there where we can.

Those are always, VAAD accessible spaces for accessibility, as required by law. And then, we are also working to add chargers, to the curbside, and we're working with this is pretty innovative and new. There's a handful of cities in the country that have done this. Our thinking behind the need for curbside chargers is that a lot of people in Alameda don't have the ability to add an electric charger, an EV charger, to their home. Either they don't have a driveway, they don't have the money, or they live in an apartment, and it's very complicated to add an EV charger to an apartment.

And so we want to be and the best place to charge a vehicle is really at home. When you come home from work, can plug it in and let it charge overnight. So the attempt is to try to provide essentially home charging as close to your home as possible, if not in your own driveway. So we're partnering with a company called It's Electric, and they're operating, in a number of cities across the country. And in California, they're in, San Francisco and LA and in Alameda.

And, they, basically tap into excess capacity in a building or homeowner's electric panel, and they enter into an agreement with that owner. They have a whole arrangement, and they pull the power out to the curb. And then they stand up, which I wish I'd included a picture. It's a really, sleek, almost like a bollard. It looks it's about the size of a parking meter, and it sits at the curb.

And then the parking space in front of that, charger is designated EV only. You park there. When you to in order to charge, you, you do sign up on their app, and they ship you a cable. So there's no cable that's that's permanently attached to the charger. And a number

of

benefits of that is that it doesn't create a trip hazard when it's not charging. It's not strewn about the sidewalk when it's when there's no nobody's plugged in. If somebody comes and clips the cable to like steal the copper, all we do is replace the cable and it's not like you have to have somebody come out and the whole thing is out of the whole charger is out of service. And we can make sure that the cable that we get fits the type of, plug that your individual car has. So that's the the model that we're testing.

We've, there's two chargers at the Everett Commons, building, on Eagle Avenue that are available for public use right now. And, we have been getting really good response from residents and building owners who are interested in hosting a public charger on their property, and we're, or It's Electric is entering into agreements with them. And then we're trying to get funding so we can deploy those chargers. When

thinking about new structures being built or put in place, has been thought to look at, for example, Gene Sweeney Park or any of those locations and potentially new things that might be happening in the Gene Sweeney Open Space?

Absolutely. So are you talking about charging still? Yes. Okay. Lots of other things happening at Gene Sweeney We actually got a grant from the Alameda County Transportation Commission to install one fast charger at Gene Sweeney Open Space Park at the existing parking lot by the playground.

Mhmm. So that's our next priority after Boho Circle, and we're excited to be doing that. When new facilities get built, a new park or a new building, anywhere in California, the building code requires that they have, EV charging. So for example, at Estuary Park is under construction right now. The city is, as required by the building code, building the underground infrastructure so that a charging charger can come in in the future. And then I'm working with, Blink Charging, who's our partner for public charging, and they're gonna come in and install the equipment and own and operate the charger.

Great. And you said that EV charging is a requirement for new structure. Okay, great. I forgot my other question. Oh, you said something about a climate center, but I missed the name. What was the name of it?

Oh, I think we had our civil rights planning fair at the REAP Climate Center, R E A P.

Where is that?

It's right near the Posey Webster Tubes entrance. So if you were to go into the Posey Webster Tubes, you take the very last exit to get off and stay in Alameda, kind of behind Marina Village shopping center, it's right over there. It's on, it's on a half mile stretch of Union Pacific Railroad right away, and they're doing really cool things there. There are volunteer opportunities. They have chickens and bees and sometimes baby sheep, And and they've got a nursery, and, it's fantastic. It's open to the public to people walk their dogs through it. So I recommend checking it out. It's great.

I think they have community potlucks too because I've I've driven by it, I've been curious. So I've googled it. It looks like they do a lot of cool stuff.

They do.

And they have

a lot of opportunities to get involved.

There is maybe a weekly or at least a monthly community dinner, and they do, I think, storytelling and music. And they also have volunteer opportunities for individual residents, but they also host teams of Google employees who come for the day and do volunteer work and that kind of thing.

I learned so much. I have a question about the it's electric. And I think it's just I think my cold my allergy medicine's getting to me. But you mentioned if it was the curbside, who pays for the electric then? They tap in you said they tap into the building's electric?

Yeah. There's two ways they can do that. One is they tap directly into the existing electric panel, in which case they would have to reimburse the owner for any electricity that their charger uses. The preferred model would be that they create kind of a secondary meter on that property. And then its electric could be billed directly for the electricity they use.

Okay. So you get the permission of the property owner to be able to tap into that. And then it's so it's not specific to that building. Anybody can use it as long as you sign up

and go.

No. We just call them a host property. They're just hosting the electric. They're providing the electricity and hosting the equipment on their site. But when it comes out to the curb, it is 100% public and available to anybody to charge there.

And then how much is it for somebody to sign up and get that cord to be

That is free.

It's very cool.

Yes. I recommend it. Their company is great. The charging is $0.40 per kilowatt hour.

Could you say the name of the company again? It's Electric.

Thank you. Thank you. I have a

couple of questions, but if you want to go. No, they've asked my question. Okay. You asked one of my questions. Oh, did I? Yeah. Sorry. No, good. Thank you. I'm completely aligned in purpose, but I have some questions to kinda poke a little bit, so I'm not trying to be antagonistic. I wanna put that out there first. With the push to and it looks like zero electric vehicles, that's the ZEV

Zero emission vehicles.

Yeah. So it's not hybrid. Right? Like, it's

in Right.

Fully electric. Is there any consideration for promoting just decreased fossil fuels? And, I mean, is that part of the planning? Like, I know we have, like, the marquee metrics here. I'm just curious. Is it all or nothing? Because there are gradations, obviously.

No. I don't think it's all or nothing. I think that I think that hybrid vehicles are are kind of a lot more mainstream, and that's something that people are pretty tuned into already. The electric vehicles are the ones that have a little bit of a price premium on them when you first buy them. They are much cheaper to own and operate and to fuel, and they don't require maintenance, which is amazing. But I think that's the piece that requires a little bit more education and a little bit more incentive to help with that initial upfront cost.

That makes sense and a nuance I hadn't thought about. And then the other, like, aspect of that that I'm curious about, and not that it would be within your purview to deal with, but just being part of the collective government enterprise, I'm wondering if anybody's thinking about this. I've learned from the SoCal fires that happened earlier, it last year? I don't know. Time's a flat circle. That one of the new risks that's happening in climate change is electric batteries, electric vehicle batteries that there are explosion risks. And I'm just wondering, like, is somebody dealing that? Like, as we invite more and more, like, EV on island, just curious if you have any, like, insights or just

I know that the fire department is is very aware of that risk and has the ability to respond to those

Yeah. And just maybe part of our emergency plan is like, as these numbers go up, that risk, like it right? Like, everything has trade offs. It's something that occurred to me to think about. Oh, and then my last question. When you're talking about the Shoreline adaptation, I think I know what that means. I probably don't know what that means. But one of the things I'm thinking about is is there any part of that that, like, we should be thinking about, like, ensuring accessibility or contemplating, like, any impacts that it might have? Not to say that

Yeah.

The shore is already accessible necessarily, but just thought I would ask the very question to get your thoughts.

Yeah. No. I think that's I think that's a very good question. So short when you're talking about shoreline adaptation, we're talking about parts of the shoreline that are low elevation Mhmm. That where when we have high tides, when we we saw this when we had king tides, when we have storms, and in the future, more permanently when we have rising seas, that the water overtops the shoreline and comes in and floods the city.

And there are certain places on the shoreline that that's happening and certain places where that, you know, that water can come in, and then it kind of can distribute and and flood pretty large portions of the city. And we have some neighborhoods in the city and some portions of the shoreline that are, like, really low lying. So, essentially, we just need we need to bolster the shoreline. We need to raise the elevation. There's lots of different ways we can do that.

Our our, principle when we're doing that as and we've been working through a a committee and the public comment we've received, is to really try to do nature based adaptations first. So rather than having a concrete seawall that's vertical and hard, having especially when we have enough, like horizontal space having a levee and having that levee slope as gently as possible. And then we can plant things on there. We can, add habitat. We can, put a trail on top of it.

We can do all kinds of things. So, for example, on the Bay Farm Island project, that proposed design is a levee, and we're trying to incorporate a lot of, habitat features and nature based components, especially on the water side of that levee. And then on top of it, we're within BCDC jurisdiction, so we have to provide access and that will include a trail. And that trail has to meet ADA requirements. And then we're also thinking about ways that we can provide, things like step downs to the beach so that rather than trying to like climb down those big rocks that are out there, we can have like a little bit more of a access, to the beach.

Some of the design includes some additional kind of beach areas so that we can have, you know, you get down and then you can kind of hang out down there. Also overlooks. We're gonna be replacing the fishing pier or what's used as the fishing pier over there. It's not really a pier, but with something probably a little bit more formal. And then, you know, having like benches and shade and interpretive signs and making that a place that can be even better than it is today.

Thank you.

Hi Danielle, thank you for the presentation. I had a couple of questions that might take us into a slight tangent, but I was digging into the dashboard a little bit before we came here today. The first is how, I guess how do we work with other programs like AC Transit, East Bay Paratransit in the process of electrification for the vehicles, especially if a huge portion of our traffic obviously, but there's buses coming through every day. Is that part of the plan or and how do those partnerships work if it is?

I think it's a good question. I'm not directly involved in transportation planning for the city. We have a whole transportation team that works on that, and they're really closely aligned. We have really close partnerships with AC Transit and the other transit operators. They all also have their own climate plans and their own climate goals and and, in some cases, requirements to to electrify their fleet.

WIDA is, like, right now building electric ferry docks, I guess, so that there we have electric ferries. They can come into Alameda. They're gonna upgrade a couple of our, ferry terminals, to be able to charge in the very short amount of time that they're sitting at the dock here. And before they turn around, they can charge those those ferries. And so I think those agencies are very much already working on plans.

I did hear that, just recently that, bus electrification is a particular not that it's a challenge, but that there's not a lot of providers that provide electric buses. And that's true for things like AMP and the city have electric F-one 150 trucks, and that's becoming more common. Some jurisdictions, I think, have electric garbage trucks and even fire trucks. The city is looking at electric police vehicles. But some of those really specialized vehicles, there's not necessarily a lot of vendors available. But I think it is becoming a little bit more common.

Okay.

Yeah. Thank you. Appreciate that. I was just thinking about how that might impact these numbers. Are those fleets that aren't necessarily owned by the city, are those part of our GHG inventories? Or do they reflect in the dashboard at all as part of the traffic going through the city?

Yeah. That's a good question. It's based on vehicle miles traveled in the city, and then we take half of that. So if I'm traveling from here to Oakland, half of that trip counts for Alameda's inventory and half of it counts for Oakland's inventory and then all the trips within the city. What I don't know as much and I could find out for you, is how buses are counted or if that's really every vehicle that's traveling.

Okay. Thank you. And the other question is totally different. So maybe I should open up to the commissioners if there's anything on transit before I change to food waste. Okay. For the food waste aspect, I was reading a little bit about the restaurant and and big organization, I guess, food waste programs. And I'm curious if there if you could tell us a little bit about that and maybe how that is impacting in the 2026 priorities. I have

to say I'm not also on the zero waste team. So we have we also have a zero waste team at public works in a different department. So I don't have as much information on on food waste. I do know that they are working hard to meet state requirements, SB thirteen eighty three, which says that all food must be composted and cannot be put in the trash any longer in the state of California. As we all know, that is not actually what's happening, but that is the law in California, no food in the trash.

Yeah, I think I'd be curious if we can invite somebody from that portion of the CART plan to come in and speak maybe to how that impacts our communities. Who are they doing? If it's like donation based, like who are they working with? What are the partners like? I could see that being of interest to this panel here.

There is also a portion of SB thirteen eighty three, it's about food recovery. So grocery stores and restaurants that have unused food are required to find ways for that to be reused. And I know our food bank uses those partnerships and other organizations.

I think that would be interesting though to have a presentation on that. I agree. I know there's programs. I only know this because the teenage boys sign up for it where restaurants will like notify you that we have leftover food and every boy in the city goes running to these restaurants. And so they know they do have programs so that they're not wasting the food. But I think it would be an interesting presentation to hear because I would although I like that because it's not wasting food, it would be nice to see if we're donating at some place.

Yeah. And I'm particularly thinking about our communities who often are in need of additional resources and I'm sure many of them do use the food bank and other places where they can get discounted foods and programs. But if we could extend that network, think that would be really fantastic for us.

Yeah. Think that would be great.

We're creating a bridge. Like maybe if they're not as nimble and able to like go get it, like maybe put them in the loop.

Yeah. If they're not using like too good to go or whatever.

They find that the boys find the food. That's for sure. And I know there's local companies like Sammy Freddy's that gives and donates their food every night to different organizations. So I know it's here, I just don't think we talk about it enough. That

was my last question. You. Thank

you. Any other question?

Will someone be planning to come back and talk to us more once some of these like sea level rise projects evolve and become farther down the line in the design phase?

Yes. I would like to come back and talk to you. Think let me think about what the right timing will be on those projects. But I think probably towards the end of this year could be a good milestone. Thank you.

I was hoping too that we could if we could add something for specifically on the shoreline accessibility or the beach access. That's a big, I mean, mobility is my background and I'm always so frustrated to see that we don't have the mats that get you down to the water and we don't but I'm my understanding is that is parks and rec. East Yeah. That's what I was worried about. And you talked about the fishing pier. Is that the bridge that goes between, the main island and Bay Farm?

Well, adjacent on the Bay Farm side, adjacent to that wooden bridge is a pier Right.

Pier. That concrete That concrete thing. Entity. Okay.

I think used to be the touchdown for a bridge that used to go and land at Tawada Park

Oh, okay.

Like, long time ago, and that piece is still there. So that's gonna that is going to need to be replaced. And we've heard that there's a whole fishing community that really utilizes that space. So we're looking at how we can provide that in a more formal way.

So that would bring up

that bridge. That bridge is horrendous. It's horrendous on a bike. But think about chairs and mobility devices. It always scares me. Keep picturing the traffic for the kids. When they ride their bikes, they're just going to fall through that thing.

If I could, the transportation team is also working on both an immediate term and then a longer term plan for that bridge. Very aware accessibility and bumpiness Opportunities. Of that bridge. So that would be a presentation from the transportation team.

Okay. And

there's, I think, obviously some immediate things that need to do that need to happen. And with sea level rise, it is very low. And at king tides, the water is right at the deck of that bridge.

Gotcha.

So we need to find a way to elevate or reroute or something. The challenge is there's very little headroom with the the road bridge that's above. There's not enough room to really bring it up to the elevations that we would want in its current alignment. So there needs to be some more thinking about

what Okay.

So maybe we can talk about that with transportation because that bridge is a disaster waiting to happen. I just keep waiting.

I think yeah. I I agree that that bridge is very uncomfortable. I I think it's I don't I'm not an engineer, but I don't worry about its sturdiness. It's just horrible to ride your bike over, and I can't imagine on the scooter or anything. But and this maybe isn't part of the your thing either with the but I'm also after you go over that bridge, that incline to come back up Mhmm. That is in no way going to pass any sort of ADA incline requirements.

Right. And I think that's where when transportation is looking at the longer term, like whether it's that alignment or a different alignment or something different, then obviously it would be to the ADA requirements.

Thanks for bringing that up. I'm glad you brought that up because I was thinking of it.

You.

Yeah, really informative. Thank you so much.

Thanks so much for having me. Good night. Thank you. Good night.

Thank you, presenter Mueller. Okay. So that was just an informative session, so we will go ahead and move on to the next, agenda item. Let me just close this slide. Sorry.

Okay. Next is going to be our new standing agenda item of making selections and having a discussion as commissioners to go through city calendar of events, as well as other commissions and boards that are active to discuss how we might like to engage with them, whether it's through attending, volunteering, promoting the commission, etcetera. So this will be a little bit of an open ended conversation that chair Mullins can lead, and we'll kind of go through some of those items. If you grabbed it on the way in, there's this list that's printed directly from Legistar, so it's not very aesthetic. But it has a full list of the meetings that are taking place starting tomorrow through June 16.

It's too soon for a lot of these agendas to be posted, but you can at least look at dates and times. Obviously, some of their you know, some of these are repeating. But they're just to get an idea of if there's something coming up that you might like to attend or watch for, to watch when they're done as posted, and then if it's relevant to commission on disabilities to either attend or just, you know, engage that way. I did not print out multiple copies of this, but then there's two other websites that we might use just as visual aids if you'd like. One is the city of Alameda's website.

I printed out, upcoming events there for the next month or two. And then there's also the library website that we can look at, for events there. And I think that's it. I'll leave my other updates that are event related for the staff communications. So if you guys wanna start the conversation.

That seems to me that based on our prior conversation or conversations plural, there's been interest expressed in, like, the Rec and Parks Commission in particular. Obviously, transportation comes up a lot. So my initial proposal is, like, if anybody's interested in anything in particular. And I think what we had talked about is not necessarily committing to attending the meeting in full or, you know, participating either as a resident or in any other capacity, but at least monitoring agenda and minutes or just kind of keeping tabs on it or just kind of being a filter to see if there are items of interest. So my thought is, like, on a volunteer basis or if anybody sees something of interest, like, to collect those first.

Mhmm. Because I don't think we have a mandate to do, like, one for one mapping or anything like that. So

I had no idea there was a golf commission. Just

so I'm

learning so much. I mean, am interested in the parks and rec from just an access perspective. Like there's so much of the city that I think needs help from a mobility perspective. So I would love to do Parks and Rec. It doesn't mean that nobody else can. So anybody else feel free, but I would be happy to volunteer for that.

I'm also interested in Parks and Rec for other areas of accessibility that I think could use improvement too.

Okay, good.

And that's something that's come up so often. We've had those conversations. It's been identified by other members of the community as well. It's something that they really desire. And I think the only way to access the beach that I know is to borrow from the Crab Cove facility and that's like the only access point. And I think they only have one beach wheelchair and so it's yeah. It's a constant source of frustration. So

Well, I think even I tried to call and donate mats and I couldn't get anyone to call me back. And so I find that very strange. Like I want to give it to you so that people can access the beach and I couldn't even get that to happen. And I think it's just whose job is it, who's responsible for that and it just kind of gets lost in the shuffle. So for me, I would love if we could get Parks and Rec to present to us about what their plans are for the next couple years because I don't know that we've ever had that. Right?

Yeah. And I think we've talked about it like a yes and on that where a lot of it ends up being East Bay Regional Park

Yeah.

Especially when it comes to the beach. So

Can we not hear from them?

Right.

So I have an email that's outstanding to them. So we're trying to get in touch with East Bay Regional Parks.

I've I've brought this up. I think We've made overtures before. Yeah. I think so too.

And it hasn't been reciprocated.

I mean, I think it's, like, to your point, like or like the anecdote that you shared about trying to donate masks and sorry. My day job, like, it just becomes a liability thing and it's that like, it doesn't fit neatly and it's just like how do we it's just acknowledging. You know, it's not for like, everybody would love to get to the outcome, but it's hard, you know, kind of as like, on a one by one basis. So I think these, like, kind of commission level, like, visibility and maybe trying to figure out, like, what what are those intercept that we could help facilitate it seems like a good opportunity.

Yeah. My guess is that the Recreation and Parks Commission probably has closer ties with East Bay Parks. And they might be in more frequent communication. So we could use that as a way if we can advocate to the commission or they might have more historical information about what's been tried and what's worked and what's not worked. And so that might

That's be what I found interesting when she was we were talking about the bridge. I always was told that that was East Bay. And now she said that it's transportation, which makes me happy. I think that means that we have a little bit more control over it. But it's been in poor shape for a very, very long time. And each time we've been presented from transportation, that's never come up.

Yeah. Commissioner Schmitz, I think that the last time we heard about it, I could be misremembering, but they said there was like a gap in funding where they couldn't do that part, but they could do adjacent parts or something. So maybe it gets up to that bridge. I'd be very curious to hear the update on that bridge because we all were very curious the last time. And I feel like that's what they said was that they didn't have control or they didn't have funding or something like that.

I mean, even if you take out my little niche market of mobility devices, it's just a bike.

Oh, yeah.

Terrible. It's sight impaired.

Walking. It's

walking. It's if you look down, I I think I was there recently where they've added a board. As a fact, it's a fix. I'm thinking. Are we afraid we're gonna fall through? Or we so I I just I think it gets worse as time goes by. So That's right. I wish we could have somehow addressed those kind of things throughout the city. Like, I thought I was gonna get a badge and I could walk through the city and be like, this is that. You know, like when I walk through the city those are the things I'm looking at. It's just where my mind goes all the time. And then I don't know what to do with it once we get it.

Is that part of the and I still don't haven't used this. Is that part of that c Clicic. Clicic.

Or is it outside of this I could imagine there's some

And then

it goes to our ticketing system over here. I'm looking at you.

I don't know.

I mean, yes. As you're walking through the city, any issues that you see that are accessibility related, you can report to CCLICFIX in the physical sense. Yeah. Physical world. But I know that bridge is on their radar, and like commissioner Beuler said, it is sort of like a funding project priority issue. So I'm not I would love to hear an update as well. I think that's a good point.

Yeah. So on a positive note with See Click Fix, I wanted to share that I put one in my first one in twenty years. But I was super excited because I swear my mind goes to this all the time. I take a walk. The neighbors must hate me. But I'm thinking like strollers and wheelchairs and like, no one should have to go into the street to get to where they're going. It just it bothers me. And so I was walking down and there were some overhanging bushes and nobody was caring for them. The housing the person who lived in that house didn't care. And I put one in and they immediately went in and fixed it.

So much so that you went from like, I have to form a single line to being able to go to side by side. And I was like, okay, this is really cool. That it works. Yeah. So I think it's important that we do put those kind of things in. But I think you're right. The bridge is probably it's

a little

It's out of couple

of seconds. That might not work so well.

Not such a quick fix. Yeah. It's not so fast. Yeah. I like the idea. Like, I mean, do we want to talk a little bit about like, what's our goal? Like, you know, my idea is, like, just kinda monitor and, like, maybe, like, we have it as an open item and, like, what did we learn from our Mhmm. Like, foray into looking at other commissions and their agendas. Like, that's my expectation or, like, what I would be probably smart to commit to and be able to actually deliver on Yeah. Rather than overpromise. So but I'm open to other proposals on, like, you know, kind of what do we want out of this or what's our, you know, what's our mission going in, you know, with anybody's thing?

I kinda wonder if it'll depend on the commission or board that we're attending. So maybe between now and our next meeting, if we have the opportunity to go to one or two of these meetings or read the agendas before the next one, we can see, alright, maybe we try to get, maybe we want to go to that meeting and actually present or ask them questions. Are we allowed to go as public comment potentially?

We're still residents. Yes, I'm prepping a joke. Yeah, we definitely

if So there were questions, we could be like, hey, we wanna know more about your agenda on this or that as our commission as well. So maybe we just see what that would look like.

I don't I don't know about, like, official representation on behalf of a commission. Yeah. Does that work? I'm asking a very honest question. I don't know. I don't know if we have to look at the bylaws. My understanding What did that have to

do with how many of us were there?

Like a brown act. Right. So

if if you were to actually attend a meeting and have something that you'd like to say about an agenda item, you you would just introduce yourself as a member of the public. You also serve on the commission on persons disabilities, but you're there representing yourself as a resident. But I think the side note on that is that if you see something on the agenda or you're watching the meeting and something is interesting, you don't necessarily even have to comment on it in that space, but that could be a recommended agenda item for a future meeting here. So you would bring it to our next commission meeting, and you would suggest a future agenda item. And then we could invite that same presenter or have that same content presented here, and that's where you could then have those questions.

Awesome. Yeah.

As a follow-up question, could you also just to expedite it and maybe get it on an official agenda earlier, could we email you as a suggested agenda item or not necessarily? Like, just the topic, not an opinion on the topic.

Right. That's kind of a gray area because I do I do take suggestions or, like, directions from you guys in an informal way over email. You know? Like, occasionally those things will come up. Uh-huh. But if we were to do it strictly by the book, I believe you'd have to bring it to

I see.

A meeting here, suggest it as an agenda item during commission communications, and then the commissioners would vote if they would like to hear that item. Okay. Yeah. But if it's something that's, like, blatantly obvious and relevant, I could see it just like, you know, that being an email. But yeah. But I think that the whatever those rules are called, parliamentary procedure is that it suggested here and then voted on.

Live. He was an expert

on that. He's my adviser on that one. Exactly.

I don't know. That's I kinda my my inclination is leave it a little bit more loose at this stage and, you know, to the extent people are interested. You know, I think I think for myself, like, I have not I don't have a ton of experience in city government. This is the only commission, like, I could I consistently attend because I'm required to, and I have committed to do so. So for me, I'm I this is a way for it's like a forcing function to open my aperture, and and we've had so many interesting presentations.

You know, it feels like a natural fit, and it feels like we've had many discussions that there's, you know, kind of a general interest in doing this. But my inclination is to keep the scope wide and kind of go with, let's see where it takes us. At least we can revisit the next meeting and maybe formalize it a little bit more into delegation or designation. I don't know what folks think about that.

So what I heard maybe is that if we attend the parks and rec and there's something that comes out of that that we're interested in, then we could come to this next meeting and say, hey, we attended one of these meetings and these topics came up that we're interested in.

Yeah.

And then we could set up something for our committee specifically where we could dive deeper into the to our subject matter as opposed to like because it might not be the same. Right? Yeah. So that way, feels like if there's just a topic that interests you, great. But it's not like real formal, you have to attend.

Exactly. That's exactly what I'm trying to

get I

get that.

Yeah. And perhaps at the same time, if you're inclined to go to the Rex and Park Commission meeting and speak because I'm assuming they all have a component where it's a non agenda public comment opportunity to go speak on something that you're passionate about. I think that's also great and wonderful and we should

I hear what you're saying. It's like more like a dialogue. It's like a two way where we're also bringing our Personal. Personal. Yeah.

But what if it has to do with accessibility? Because like I was doing some looking around on the parks and rec website and like of their visuals, the maps they have of different parks. And I was just seeing some things that I wanted to recommend that would make it easier for communication accessibility. So would I go and present that as an idea, as a personal idea or as a recommendation from our commission or how does that work?

That you would just email to me. Okay.

We haven't had very many community members attend our commission meetings, but it has happened where they've come and they've brought up issues that they noticed in the city. And so

I think that very few though. Few,

unfortunately. But I would have guessed that some of these commissions that are probably better attended from community members get that a lot. And so would think that that's a venue that a lot of people probably use to bring up issues. So we could do that too.

Well, yeah. And, like, we have First Amendment. Like, you're a resident. Like, we don't check our resident card at the door. Right.

Well, that's what I would be curious about. So if I'm a person who needs to access wants to access the beach Mhmm. Would I come to this commission and publicly speak or would I go to Parks and Rock?

Or would you go to both? Right.

So I think you we may capture people from that perspective too who just go there because they've heard that the beach falls under Parks and Rec. So I'm gonna go there. And they don't necessarily think of it from our perspective.

Mhmm. Yeah.

And I think there aren't clear jurisdictional lines sometimes. Like, as we've talked about, like, that even would be East Bay. You know? Like, it's just one of those things. I just think, like, community involvement is, like, our goal, you know, and just kind of, you know, making progress.

And to be fair, I don't know that people know of all the did you know there was a golf commission?

I did because I used to make jokes about which one I was gonna join. Didn't I

feel bad. And I don't know that people know of all the commissions that are available or how to utilize them for their I mean, I didn't know this commission existed until there was an opening. And so I think I don't know that people know how to use it to their benefit. Like if you're having an issue with that bridge, would you come to this meeting and say something? I don't know that people would.

Well, think that might be a benefit for us if we choose to attend some of these other meetings. Mhmm. Because I don't I agree with you. I don't think many people know that there is a commission of persons with disabilities. Yeah. Because when I say I'm a commissioner on the person, the committee for persons with disabilities, people say normally, I didn't even know that

existed. Exactly.

So, but of course everybody knows parks and recs exists because they utilize it and a program comes out twice or four times a year, I don't know.

They have a building, they have vehicles. And

I think in certain commissions we may have a very strong overlap in terms of need or connection to communicate what our commission is about accessibility in persons, people with disabilities in the community, and use these other city organizations or commissions like transportation or parks and rec because there's an obvious crossover there. And so I guess my point that I'm trying to make is I think it would be good to go if we could. Part of the reason I believe I'm on the commission in the first place is because I went to every single one of those pool meetings starting in 2020 and spoke and said things and somehow caught the mayor's eye about that I knew a little bit about pools and what it would take to have accessibility. And so I think from that perspective, it makes sense that when we go and say that who we are and why we're speaking, and we also sidebar are on this commission. Not in a threatening way, but in an educational way as to why we're here.

So, yeah, I'm interested in the Parks and Rec Commission. And I may be wrong about this, but I think the I don't know if the Gulf Commission comes under that anymore. It's it's the whole thing has been moving around and it's, I think, a little not even functioning, the Gulf Commission, at this current moment.

I think the social service one is also interesting. And, again, didn't know it existed.

Mhmm. So

I think even, like, the art commission, like, just to go and Mhmm. Like, if we're spending city resources or creating some opportunities and just having the voice or the visibility that we try to bring.

I think all of the meetings can be relevant to attend from a communication accessibility standpoint. How are all these boards and commissions communicating to the public, to the residents? How is that communication accessible?

So what I'm hearing is that there's a decent amount of interest in maybe perhaps on a volunteer basis within what's within our own personal bandwidth in going to some of these commission meetings that we find relevant and interesting. As a community member and saying, however we need to phrase it, I'm a resident of Alameda. I also sit on the commission for persons with disabilities. Here's my perspective and some issues that I see that I would be interested because I don't think in that in that non agenda public comment, you aren't receiving any feedback back from the commission. You're just presenting. So presenting something that you're

your personal capacity.

In your personal capacity. I'm interested in increased access to Shoreline for people who use mobility aids or something like that. Saying your piece, I think you get two minutes to talk and then

going Yeah. Two to three minutes depending on how many people there are. Yeah.

And then to the extent there's something relevant or you're, like, a particular interest at our next scheduled meeting, maybe bring something like, insights back or opportunities or suggestions back, and then we discuss it and put it on agenda Mhmm. By vote is what I think would be the other piece of that opportunity.

So I'm just the secretary, so I'm not going to enforce anything. But I would just really strongly encourage, you as the commissioners to over the next couple of months, our next meeting is scheduled for May, to really try to look at an agenda or two. I'm not saying you have to attend meetings because I realize that's that might be too much of an ask. But to just peek in on some of those agendas once they're posted or even if the minutes get posted, recordings, sometimes they're livestreamed on Facebook, things like that. Just even just to get a few minutes of information, so that at our next meeting, perhaps you'll have a little something a little more concrete to share from your experience in that in that way.

I know this one is one I don't think we've ever heard from, but just given our conversation with Danielle earlier, I'm kind of curious about the Public Utilities Board. It also overlaps a little bit with my work life. So I might check out that agenda, see what there is there. And, yeah, I'll bring in back some some details. I wonder what they're up to over there. I'm curious if anybody else is gone, but I'm going to guess no. Yeah, another one that I didn't really pay attention to

before. Cool.

Would it be too much to ask if people wanted to volunteer to read through some of those just so we're not duplicating work?

Yeah. I definitely am willing to, like I'll read through agendas because I'm also, like, now very curious about, like, what is agenda ed and, like, what kind of, like, what tends to get brought up as scheduled items. I can I'm happy to do the planning board. I was thinking I was like, oh, I'll do the p's, but then you got public utility. Because I you know, reading agendas is, like, not that much work Yeah. Compared to actually attending. But SHRUB, I think, is a good one. The social service human relation board, just there can be quite a bit of crossover there in terms of interest. And we're we're back in May. Is that right, Lillian? May 13.

May 13.

Okay. Thank you.

According to this.

Yeah. So I'll try to do the the social service and human relations and then the parks and

rec Okay.

Before our next meeting.

Maybe we can talk because Sure. Yeah. Parks and rec is tomorrow.

Well But there's another one.

There's another one. Yeah. There's another

one in April. Before May. Yeah.

Yeah. I can't

do It's like they meet once a month.

Yeah. They meet once a month.

Remember, you don't necessarily have

to go.

I was thinking to watch it.

They could be remote. Right? We can watch it.

Mostly Sorry.

Didn't look at the agenda.

Yeah. Mostly because I'm curious about what's happening. I've I've lost track of what's happening to the pool. I have no idea what's going on. And I wonder if it's I'll look at the agenda for tomorrow because I'm curious if I missed it or it's coming back to city council on the seventeenth because we got waylaid about parking spaces.

The pool is a hot topic.

Yes. I know.

If you're a

swimmer in Alameda, boy, that is a hot topic.

Did we we have somebody who is interested in transportation? I just wanna make sure that's covered off.

Okay. It can be.

Like, I'm interested in in so far as I'll read their agenda in the minutes. Yeah. On that.

Yeah. Scott, where I would quite a bit.

Yeah. Yeah. They they also visit us quite a lot. I agree. Yeah. Okay.

I I'm interested in the library board. Mhmm. What? The library board. So I'll I'll take a look at those agendas. I think their meeting their next one occurs at the same time as our meeting, I won't

be able to let go. It'll be hot.

I'm happy to look at the agendas and bring

it back in May. Oh, yeah. We're on the same date. Yeah. Well, they're half hour before. Do you mind? Probably over. Yeah. Yeah. I can do the planning and zoning administrator. I don't know. The zoning administrator hearing, I don't know if that's I mean, it's publicly noticed. I don't know how much that's gonna be relevant. And then, yeah, I think we have enough coverage. Like, I I want us to feel very open about it, but I plan to, like, at least look through the agendas before we meet next.

So like, if nothing else, I can be a a safety net of, like, I'll give some idea of what I thought might be of interest if there's anything that others didn't attend or pay attention to. So we have library. Parks and Rec. Parks Rec. Social Services. Public Utilities.

Public Utilities. I

might check out the historical board too because I think that is off cycle. Yeah. That's off cycle. Maybe I can watch one of those.

Yeah. Sounds great. Cool.

Thank you, commissioners. So the if it's okay, the second part of this conversation is upcoming events just to see if there are any that are natural fits for our commission to maybe try to attend to as one thing we discussed in January was to maybe table at certain events or volunteer or anything like that. So to that end, I just wanted to let you know I have an email out to ARPD for their spring shindig, which is on April 18, I think it is. And that's kind of like in conjunction with Earth Day. It's a big annual event, and some of the other city departments might table at that one, but I thought that could be a great way for us to engage with the community.

So I haven't heard back yet, so that's not official yet, but I'll have to email that one since it's in April. Any updates? And then another event or events that are pending are with the library for July for disability pride month. So I met with the library this past week, and we're working through the possibility of doing a film screening as commissioner Kneller brainstormed at the last meeting. So it would be a film screening of a film directly related to disability.

And then in A Perfect World, we might also get some advocates from the civil rights movement, the disability rights movement, to come and do a Q and A. And then in addition to that, in July, the kids program and the kids librarian team are going to look at possibly rebranding their summer reading program just for that month so that some of the reading programs, the sensory movie times, and things like that are more under the disability pride month celebration banner. So that's kind of a cool thing for July. So once I have more details on the film screen, it will either be probably, most likely, a Thursday or Friday because their weekends are booked. So once I have more details on that, I'll be sure to send that out and make it more official here at the commission, but just want you guys to have a heads up that those things are in the works.

And I'm sorry. What was the film?

Crip Camp is the one we're looking for. If for some reason we aren't able to get the licensing for that one, we are going to see if there's other possibilities since the Bay Area was such a huge spot of activism for the disability rights movement. Think I can help you with Crip Camp. Yeah. Sorry?

I think I can help you with Crip Camp.

Brilliant. So we might have a contact through commissioner Kannaler, but then if you can help with that too. So definitely email me and yeah. Because that's our first choice just because we might be able to get a local connection present as well for q and a. So we'll see.

Maybe that connection's the same. Because he lives in Berkeley. Yeah. Yeah. So so he's a client of mine too, and he's a producer.

And Yeah. James. Oh, perfect. Perfect. So

I was I gave so Yeah. He should share with Great. Yeah.

And he would love it. He loves when people talk about crib camp. So he would come.

He Well, amazing.

My experience with He's

anything that he

can talk about it, he will. Do you want me to ask him? Yeah. Okay.

So we don't have a date finalized yet. So I don't know if you wanna wait for that or just kind of put the feelers out there, but thank you, commissioner Schmidt. That'd be awesome.

Yes. He In July. Right?

Like Yes. Yeah.

A certain idea of when in July?

Or Great question.

So it would not be the first week because of the fourth of July parade and fourth of July, you know, celebration. So let me see if I have it in my notes. This one's good.

Do

we have a part any participation in the parade, by

the way? I wanna be out of town. Oh. I'm just like, I know you guys are all gonna not just quit now. But

I'm working on the parade as well. We did have a a cute little pedicab last year, so I'm working on the parade as well. And then the Thursday or Friday so I think it was either the fourth or fifth Friday of the of July or a Thursday. Thursdays were a little more open, so I'm just waiting to hear back from the library team if they've chosen a date or two that we can then pitch for the the screening.

I'm not gonna call him yet because if you get him excited, he'll be like, yes. And then if it doesn't work, he'll be swirly disappointed.

This is a silly follow-up question to that, but would this be during like normal library hours? Like nine to five business hours?

Yes. So, unfortunately, they're not open for evening events anymore. Their hours are fairly limited. The benefit of that, though, the one pro that I thought of during our meeting is that we could do pointed invitations to some of the adult day programs in the area and maybe invite their communities to come and be part of the the screening, the events, the activities, and just use that as an option too.

So Okay. Yeah.

And then do you do you post notice? Because now I'm thinking about, like, we'll have a quorum or, like, a so do you publicize it somehow? I'm just curious about the Brown Act.

Yes. So if if three or more commissioners attend the event, we would post it as a special meeting.

Okay. Okay. Thanks. Mhmm.

Do you know the date of the Alameda bike festival?

I said it was May 2.

May 2? Okay.

Because that home electrification fair would be in conjunction with that. So I was going to see if we might wanna attend that one as well. I'm working on what a table for us looks like, you know, trying to get some supplies and things, but that would be an idea too. So April 18 for the spring shindig pending, and then May 2, the home electrification fair would be also something that could be pending.

I have the the commission banner in my closet at home.

That was. Okay. Thanks.

I keep I keep walking right

past it on

my way to these meetings. That's okay. It's safe there. Thank you.

I have an idea about engagement and outreach that would go along with the banner or something that we could have as an activity at community events that would be accessible for all. So the example I thought was having an accessibility is community wall, something that people could write or draw what accessibility means to them. They could share their experiences or ideas and they could contribute anonymously. And I think this works because it's simple, it's interactive, it's accessible for all ages and it generates input, which is exactly what we want. And so, you know, have something that high or low you can reach, that you can go around all sides, that has pens or crayons, you know, easy to grasp, but that anyone can use, you know, that they can talk with us if they want or they can just write or draw.

And I think it it would be an interesting way to get the community involved.

It's very inviting too, where it's one of those things where sometimes people might be intimidated by not feeling like they're an expert or know how to talk about it. So it's very open ended.

Yeah. And we could write starters on there Yeah.

You know, to get people going. In braille.

Yeah. Yeah. Have something in braille also. Mhmm. Definitely. Yeah.

It's a good idea. Mhmm.

Great idea.

Thanks. I

like that. Thank you.

I think you should but I should just say Like,

you can't work on that. Any of these events, like, to avoid the I'm fixated on the ground neck today. I don't know if anybody can tell. Like, apparently, that's where my brain is wrapped around the axle. Like, should we email you, Lillian, and just, like

Get a head count.

Yeah. I mean, to the extent we have our calendars in place and know that. Like, I've just I don't know how much notice you need. And

Yep. Much like my email in advance of the Gibbons sidewalks and trees plan meeting, it I'll just send out the date and the information, and then request that anyone who might attend email me. Because even if, for some reason, four people think they'll go, four commissioners think they'll go, but only two show up, we'd that would be fine. We just wanna make sure that we've noticed just in case. So it'll be the same where I would send out the email and and give you the option. Yeah.

Thank you.

Mhmm. And and what's the

best source to find these events? You said

that that

the community there's a community calendar on the city website?

Yes. So on the city of Alameda website, there's a calendar. It's linked at the bottom of the home page. If you scroll down to the tabs below the, like, boxed icons of important links, there's just an events thing there. And then you can filter dates, search keyword, etcetera. So all kinds of things are, you know, synced with that calendar. The only thing that's typically missing would be library events. Library events are usually posted only to the library website, so you can check there as well.

And would this calendar include I'm just thinking, like, fun other other fun, like, low left.

Oh, that's fine. Mhmm.

Yeah. Alameda's or Oakland?

Alameda. This is on the city website. Yeah. I was like, oh, shoot. Starts March 20. Twenty fifth, twenty ninth.

Yes. All kinds of fun things are posted on there. So it's commission board meetings, city council meetings, as well as city sponsored events.

I was thinking about the like the summer movie program. Mhmm. If we could have a table, like especially with that kind of interactive community art. Yeah. That would be the perfect place. That would be because there's gonna be kids and families all come together and that can be a nice kind of like passive way to interact with people while you're waiting for the movie to start or something like that. That would be kind of fun. Definitely. I'm sorry. How much lead time do you need to post if we're gonna attend?

I think it's, like, one or two business days prior. I mean, for our for formal agendas, it's seven days. Yeah. But but for a special meeting, if it's if it's like a a scheduled meeting outside of a regularly scheduled meeting, like, have an agenda item we need to discuss, that I think that's twelve days. But for an event showing, I think it's just as soon as I know.

Okay. Yeah. Because I'm interested in the Alameda Spring Shindig. I think that would

be fun.

I just don't have my that's also spring break for my kids, and I don't have my calendar planned out, but we could Sure. Email you. Is that the appropriate way to go about it?

Yes. Definitely. Yeah. And and I will update you all as soon as I know more about if we can table what that might look like. And I'm I think I already said this, but I'm working on also trying to get us little pins or, you know, like, little promo items that feel tangible so we can connect to the community that way too. Oh,

look. Honey, I Shrunk the Kids. I will be that that movie.

That's my

kid's favorite movie. Are you serious?

That's also my son's favorite movie, the whole series. Yeah. So funny. So speaking of events as well, I have a pending email out to AUSD in and with the direct intent of connecting with the Unified School District about ways that our commission can either volunteer at events, serve at their community events, maybe pop into their newsletters, connect with their special education families, whatever that may be. So we are in the works of planning a a meeting so that we can brainstorm some of those things.

So I'll have an update for you on that as well. Anything else about events or commissions, boards?

One thing about boards, just now that you mentioned AUSD, like, AUSD, obviously, it's a school district. It's not a city. Correct. But I know we've talked before about maybe having visibility there. So just throwing it out as an idea not to revisit our approach or anything, but another thing to keep an eye on. And I'm also interested in the police department beat meetings, which I need to figure out how to find just as a resident even. But those are two other opportunities to keep in mind.

Yes. The beat meeting schedule is posted on Alameda's website. If you just search police beat meetings, it'll come up, then you can find your beat and find your meeting schedule. Mhmm. I've asked about representation as, like, commissioners or even as ADA coordinator at those meetings, and it's not quite the, like, relevant audience or the relevant context for it. But I think attending as a resident could be really helpful just so that we can get an idea of issues that come up or discussion points from residents and maybe if we wanna speak to that in a future meeting.

Also I think it is relevant because for example, like there's kind of a tangent here, but Mesa, Arizona was the first like autism certified city, and the reason that they got there was mostly by training over 3,000 city staff, including police officers, you know, all the first responders, people that work in the city offices. So I think it is totally relevant to police, just not maybe the physical accessibility, but definitely the sensory and the cognitive. I think there's always training that could benefit helping the disabled.

That's such a good point.

Yeah. I agree. I think it's very relevant that there's a resident that lives in Alameda who I'm sure everybody is probably aware of him, but she's an autistic son that he can become, if you don't know who he is, he can become very aggressive or he might, it seems like he's being aggressive. And I think one of the things that has always impressed me is in a sad way because she's had to do it but the mom really goes around and talks about him so that he doesn't get hurt because he has been hurt because people aren't aware of it. So I think it is important for us to talk about things like that especially with the police department so they know how to handle situations like that so that he is safe.

But I also get it if you don't know who that person is and there is a large male saying the things that he says, it can be very intimidating. So I think that is something that is important to the community and and things that having that mom speak or having other families speak about their experiences with with their family members, think would be really impactful.

Yeah. And training officers to be able to recognize the signs and the signals of when someone is disabled or has a cognitive or sensory disability so that they know how to then act and teaching them the appropriate way to then react or act with that person.

Or if they're deaf. Exactly.

And they're not following commands. Well, not following commands because they

don't hear you.

Yeah.

And And so I think that's a a real fear for people who have those things in their household.

Mhmm. That makes a lot of sense.

I was just going to interject that I think an invitation to police department would be great for a presentation here. But in meetings that I've had with police department representatives, they do actually do several trainings for their for all officers of all levels throughout the year, every year on different topics related to interacting with people disabilities. What what does it look like to have sensory overwhelm? What does it look like to, you know, safely sorry. What's the word I'm looking for?

Deescalate. Thank

you. Deescalate a situation. Thank you. So they do train in a lot of those tactics. And so one and I know I'm interjecting here outside of my scope.

Sorry. But but so one conversation that we had was could we highlight some of those trainings at a BEAT meeting? Because that was something that I was pitching to the police department was to you know, if I were to come as a guest for a BEAT meeting, or if we were to have a commissioner there or something, then that would give the police department a chance to really highlight that these are the trainings we do, this is how we are, you know, building our understanding of the disabled community within Alameda, and they could also talk about their voluntary registry, you know, that provides families a way to, you know, connect with the police department directly, so that if there's a call to a certain neighborhood, they'll know, like, oh, in this geographic area, we already have a lot of these folks registered, and we know who we got who we're gonna go see. And what I and the feedback I received is that they would be very open to that kind of conversation in an actual police officer training context. What the beat meetings are though is like a smattering of residents from a neighborhood who just go because they wanna hear the crime stats for that quarter.

Yeah.

So it's a little bit different of a context, and that's what I was told. It's like that's not really the right place to discuss those things, but I I have encouraged them to really highlight some of those trainings they do. Because I think a lot of people don't realize how much our police department has built up that side fair.

Of that.

We should

talk about that. Absolutely.

Is there I think I heard you say this, but I'll make the pitch if it's not already on the table, but, like, an invitation for a presentation to learn about what they're doing, but also, like, give an opportunity for, like, a representative from the police department to, in this forum, say, here's what would be helpful for when you're engaging with the police or, like, here's what you know, here are, like, ways you can, like, be a good partner in this, you know, and just, like That's we need to speak the same language or, you know, like, have the same terms of art or ways that we can help each other understand. So I think, like because part of it is, like, I wanna hear about, obviously, them as, like, public servants and, like, you know, law enforcement and, like, they have the the right to carry a gun and detain us. And with that comes responsibility to do it responsibly. So I wanna hear about how they're doing responsibly, but I also wanna hear about, like, what do they need from us? You know?

And us meaning us as representatives of the community and, like, this is a forum to, like, get the word out. Like, how can we help them help us? You know?

And given situations that we've had in this city

Literally. Even Yeah.

Recently, I important things. Like I wouldn't know if I had a hearing problem or if I had and maybe I would if I had the circumstances. But if I had a child with autism or some sort of deficit, I wouldn't know to register that at the police department. I wouldn't even enter my mind.

Out of all the things you're dealing with too. I wouldn't even think

about it. So I think we've had enough incidents in this city far too many, to be honest. I mean, one is too many where those situations have come up. So I think speaking about the positive that they are trained and this is what they train. I didn't know that. I hoped that but I didn't know that.

Yeah, same. It's good to hear.

So there's so much there can be a lot of negativity around police, but I think there's some positives that we should talk about.

And we've had presentations just historically about, like, the cares team and about, you know, like, mental health specialists. I don't know exactly what the right terminology is. Like, not ride along. Like, they have an official role, but, like, it's definitely evolved policing. You know, it's definitely, like, very mindful. Not perfect. Nothing's perfect. But I love the idea, like, way you put it. Like, let's talk about, like, what's going right

sometimes or getting time to focus on so much of the negativity, but we should talk about the things that we do well.

Yeah. And I think part of the thing that we could like, an opportunity that we have is making people not afraid to avail themselves of that resource because that resource is not hostile. Like, just not assuming that, like, we could help dispel that myth.

I think having our presence at some of these activities with a table and a banner of who we are gives us the opportunity to present some of these thoughts. The similar situation was when the firefighter came in to speak to us. Yeah. And I learned and didn't know that if you register yourself as a disabled person in in the case of a catastrophic event. They know who you are and what rescue methods you might need in in terms of power wheelchairs or if you have a service animal.

Makes sense. And it would be it would be a good thing, maybe not initially because we're just starting this, but maybe some after we build those connections with the fire department and the police department to say, hey. You know, come stand at our table, and let's see let everybody see And who you that you're part of the disability community as well in a very positive way. I totally agree.

My phone rings off the hook for people who I my name is on a bathroom wall somewhere for sure. I will get calls from fire department and police departments. They say, can you come? We've got a chair stuck in the road or we've done. And so just simple, like, what do you, we're not emergency services.

Interesting. Yeah.

Like, we've, I have say that 10 times a day, we are not emergency services. You need to qualify for me. But they don't necessarily have the training on that equipment either. So they call me and go, will you please come out and help us get this chair? And I'm like,

okay, sure.

I'll come get a chair out in the middle of the street. But, you know, they don't Yeah. That's stuff that people don't know. Could we train them? I've tried. I mean, I do train them, but, you know, that's a that's a lot of people. Yeah. So it it And there are lot of

chairs, I'm sure. Yeah. A lot of chairs,

a lot people. So I just don't think that people know that that's out there. Yeah. You know? Like, if you get stuck your chair, you don't call me. I can't help you.

Yeah.

You actually call the fire department. Yeah. You know? Or if you fall Mhmm. You call the fire department to pick you up. I promise you I can't pick you up. Mhmm. You know? So I just but I think if people just knew what those resources were and having a table and having a sign, we might get those questions. What do I do if this happens? And that will be something that then we know we need to educate on. So I think if people had a platform to to come to, they would maybe ask more.

I'm thinking too about the content of the '88 newsletter. Like a lot of that I think would be relevant if we, I don't know, had printed copies or like some of the articles that I think you've written, You're you're writing that newsletter. Right? Yeah. I find fascinating. And they're in the similar vein where I am learning a lot and then how do we share that with the community? Mhmm. So that's a good resource of material to Mhmm. Have at the table as well. That could be really Maybe

it's about us posting just as community members on forums we're part of like Nextdoor. Oh, I'm part of a commissioner and we just talked about or I don't know, sharing stuff that

way.

Just to put

it more out in the public that's not necessarily looking for us, but that's looking for information in other ways that would stumble across it.

Yeah, it's on the city's website, but yeah.

Yes. I mean, it's definitely available but I think it's a great idea to maybe post it and you don't even have to state anything, you know, opinion or personal about it. You could just invite people to the meeting or say what it is and leave it at that. So I think that that's a good idea for the relevant forums that might be on.

Sorry. Was distracted looking at there is a accessible safe transportation emergency repair number that you can call if you have a breakdown or if your chair breaks down and you need a pickup.

Yeah. Have you ever called that?

Yeah. It's like It's easier to know that. They answered.

That would be funny. It's her cell.

I checked it before I put it in my contacts because, like, does it really work?

There's some billing issues with that company.

I never used it. Just Hopefully, you don't need to. But Okay.

There are some billing. It says free repairs. Yeah. Rescues.

It's not.

Okay.

Yeah. But that's what what we hear. It's the feedback.

Yeah. So just call let's call him

right now. Let's put him on speaker. But you yeah. Commission is taking.

You are in the middle of a commission meeting.

I know. Like, wear those deputy badges.

Okay. Okay. If if there's nothing else about the, events and commissions and things, can move to commissioner communications, and and anyone can share. Anything they'd like to share with the group, if that's okay? I

don't have anything else, but this has been a great

I have something I'm excited So to I think as you all know, I've been looking at accessibility through a broader lens more than just physical barriers. So looking at sensory accessibility, cognitive accessibility, and communication accessibility. And I came up with a concept. It's a framework for exploring how the city might test small accessibility pilots, and I'm calling it Alameda for All. So examples would be like at the library having sensory kits that they could hand out or quiet areas, like obviously a library is quiet, but designated quiet areas or more visual guides.

Or like another example at a park having playground communication boards or commerce seating areas and just clearer signage in general. So it's not really a program, but just I thought it's a way that we could explore ideas through small pilots.

I love the idea of the framework because, again, it's like it helps just kind of launch you in to the conversation and, like, pulls or invites others into it. And I was just thinking because for the first time, I just looked through that part of the website with the events, and there's something about, like, Walk Alameda. Mhmm. And I'm like, how do you layer on or, you know, append, like, an Alameda for all element?

Yeah.

You know, not to rebrand it or take away from walk, you know, and but it's just, like, you know, just using that, it's just, like, you can automatically find an inroad

Yeah.

It seems like really easily.

So great. So I wrote up a whole framework.

Oh,

wow. And I'm totally happy to send it to you guys if you're interested or talk about it more if you're interested either way.

Alright. I'd love that. It's very cool. Yes. It's great. I'm very intrigued. Cool. I'd be

very interested. I have a couple copies too if you wanna take Let's do

it. Copies.

Just have two, though, so you guys can share that one. Okay.

But you'll send it to him?

Yeah. I'll email it to Lillian, and then she can send it to everybody. Yeah. Great. Thanks. So, the overview is basically talking about how much Alameda's already done, because we've done a lot. So this is in no way saying we're doing a bad job. This is just saying here's another way that we can start looking at things through sensory, cognitive, and communication accessibility. Accessibility. And there's some examples below on what each of those could look like in simple terms.

And I think why this matters is because improving sensory and cognitive accessibility can support broader community participation in civic life, which is what we're looking for. And a lot of other cities are starting to look at this part of accessibility too, and I actually found some examples of what some cities around here are doing with some of their like, museums or public places, some accommodations they've made. So I have some good examples too of what other jurisdictions are doing. And then I put some thoughts about what our guiding principles could be, like inclusive by design, which would mean we consider physical, sensory, cognitive and communication accessibility when designing public spaces and services. The next would be common predictable environments, so whenever possible reduce overwhelming noise, lighting and sensory complexity in civic spaces.

Clear communication, so using intuitive signage, visual supports, and clear information to help residents navigate public environments and creating flexible and welcoming spaces by providing sensory friendly times or quiet areas. And then I put a little more information on some pilot ideas I had down there. So sensory friendly hours. I don't I couldn't find anything. I did a little bit of digging on the library website.

I couldn't find anything specific to sensory, like a sensory story time where it's just a little quieter. I feel like that is a real opportunity that I believe a lot of people in our community would benefit from. Yeah. And then I think another one, I'm really excited about the idea of communication signs at parks. Like, just trying one sign at one park.

And I did find an example of other cities doing this, so I have visual examples I can send you guys. But basically, like a big board that has just very simple icons for kids that aren't speaking yet, families that have English as a second language or anyone that has any sort of speech or, you know, developmental disability. So would have things like run and jump or water or just it has, like, a 100 different and really colorful, clean. Obviously, you could have it designed however you want. But just I think it's a way to make our public spaces more inclusive.

And think we just tested it one, see if six months, how do we get any feedback? Do we see any engagement increase? I think it could be a useful test for us. And then if it's successful, something to possibly consider rolling out on a larger scale.

I love that. Thank god. I know. I'm really excited. I'm glad you guys like it.

Yeah. Thanks.

I really think it does. It's fantastic. Yes. Yeah.

It doesn't have to cost a lot of money either. No. I do a project in Jamaica every year, a couple times a year, and we do sensory boards that we make out of things that we just find, you know. So I think if if you could get if you're given a space in a park, there's not a lot of money that has to go into doing something like that and it could be such a huge impact for a family that has somebody with that need.

Yeah. Absolutely.

It's a big deal. And you know they're starting to do these quiet airports. Mhmm. Have you been to the a quiet if you don't know that it's common, kind it's of weird. Like you walk in there and it says this is a quiet airport and I'm like, okay, I'm definitely gonna miss my flight. Because they don't announce anything over the loud speaker, there's no bright lights, there's no it's amazing when you

know

it. Is one

now. Yeah. I miss it. It. It.

Certain hours Yeah. It's a huge that's a big deal. Yeah. Yeah. So good for you. I think that's awesome. Thanks.

Thank you. Yeah. I

forgot until you just mentioned it that I went to a sensory integration park last summer when I was in Vermont.

Oh, really? Yeah. I'd love to hear what elements it had.

Yeah. I just we just found it by accident and walked yeah. I'll tell you all about it.

That's awesome.

I put I took pictures and everything. It's like,

I did that so long. Very cool. Yeah. Is this something we can add as, like, a formal agenda topic to make a I don't know what I don't know what procedurally we is in our, like, toolkit, but, like, if we could make a recommendation to the council or like, I don't know what we would have to do to try to actually implement this. Parks and rec commission, maybe. Yeah. Okay. But, like, maybe as a noticed agenda item, we, you know, have the we check the box and make sure that public has visibility. I don't know if we need to do that, but I figured this is kind of like it's an organic idea, like a a self developed idea, not from a different commission. But I wanna take advantage of, like well, we're talking about it right now.

Can we like, if we need to put it on next meeting's agenda?

Yes. So it can definitely be an agenda item. Commissioner Kneedler sent this to me in advance. So I am trying to I'm just communicating with city clerk's office to clarify what would be the best way to Okay. Move forward with it. But, yes, it it it's exciting. It's exciting. So we'll we'll definitely have follow-up on that one. Just waiting for, yeah, that that guidance.

Wonderful. Just for your future reference too, I put together a pilot implementation overview. So here, I'll let you I got three of these too. And I'll I didn't send that to you because I haven't put it together yet, but I can give you this one, and I can send it to you as well.

Thank you.

I can't read off the mic because it's my copies. Idea, possible who would be responsible, break it down to see. Oh, I really think it's not a big ask of anybody in this dream of Yeah. Or cost.

Or and it's a, like, crawl, walk, run options even for a pilot. Yeah. Great.

Very cool. Yeah. A lot of these ideas were things that have been discussed, so it's exciting to have it come from a second voice. Awesome. Yeah. To keep it going.

Great idea. Thanks.

Any other commission communications? Okay. I will do staff communications. So I mentioned it earlier, Givens sidewalks and trees plan is underway. We're in the very early stages. We had two community meetings last week and to discuss actually, gain feedback. So there's a Gibbons web page that is published, and you can go there, and there's an interactive map. There's the full report available for viewing. You can submit public comment. But 107 teen trees were assessed along the Gibbons corridor, which is all those liquid amber trees.

We're just focusing on the one species and their impact to the hardscape in the area, which is sidewalks, curb, and gutter. And five have already been posted for removal after the protest period. And then, like I said, we're in the early stages of what's next. So, anyway, so watch for that. As as it gets a little more clarified as we go, I'm sure it'll come before this this commission to just, you know, talk through other approaches and possibilities for that, but just wanted you guys have a heads up.

So it's alamedaca.gov/gibbons is where you can just find all the things. Digital accessibility is still a hot, you know, topic, major priority for the city. I continue to train multiple departments and also trying to follow-up with departments as they do their web page audits, and we go through all of our digital online resources. It's quite an undertaking. As I'm sure you can imagine, it's a massive project, but we are working towards that accessibility deadline of April 2026 for Alameda.

And just to clarify with the rule, it's not that the DOJ civil rights office will probably knock on our door the next day, but it is very likely in California that there will be automated scanners that will be going through all website resources, and, you know, finding places where they can file civil complaints or litigation, etcetera. So that's why we're working hard on this. And let's see. Estuary Park is also under construction. I don't know if you're familiar with Estuary Park, but it is going to be it's a park that was designed with inclusivity in mind.

So they'll have some special features that will be, you know, sports courts and fields for everyone and some other accessible playground equipment. So I'm excited to see it come to life. You can drive by and check it out if you want to. But, of course, you know, if that ever shows up on, like, an agenda item for the parks commission, that might be an interesting one as well to just follow as the Estuary Park. Let's see. I already mentioned the East Bay. I already mentioned July. Okay. So then, one other thing, well, three more things. But one other thing that doesn't have a question attached, is I'll send out an email with some newsletter dates, and maybe you guys can just choose a month that you'd like to be featured.

So you can send me your little blurb about yourself, why you're on the commission, what your experience with disability is, and then a photo of your choice. So I think it would just be a great way candid photo or headshot is fine, however you wanna do it. But I think it would just be a great way to, you know, put some faces to the names on the commission and continue to build that community engagement. And then related to community engagement, I've been, thanks to former commissioner Lisa Hall, connected with the host and one of the producers from the Island Beads podcast. So they're interested in showcasing some of the accessibility work that's happening in Alameda, and I suggested that maybe I go on, but also with a commissioner.

So I think it would be great if we could highlight some lived experience in Alameda with disability and and what that looks like, and then I would be kind of like the govern government administrative representative of, like, these are the projects and initiatives that we're working on. So no details on that one yet, but just to kind of put a bug in your ear that I might be asking for someone to join me on that and to be another voice on the podcast. And then, I have a question. This is sort of directed at commissioner Buehler, but also in case anyone else. It's for the see click fix report requests that have come up a few different times.

I was wondering if I could just get a little more clarity on some data points, specific questions, departments, anything like that. So you kind of help me to hone in on what we're looking for from see click fix reports.

I think I have to remember what we were talking about last time. I might have to get back to you on that one, William. I can't remember.

That's fine. If you think about it, I think it came up in, like, transition plan update.

Yeah.

See Click Fix is, you know, our reporting tool. So if you think of it, just feel free to email me. Yeah. Then that way, I can know how to craft an agenda item out of that.

Okay. Cool.

And that was it for my staff communications. If there's nothing else, we can go ahead and move to oh, yes. Miss Cherilyn's.

I've missed the name of the podcast in the background to that. I'm I'm not familiar with it.

Island Beats. Familiar. Or Island City Beats? I don't actually know if it's on, like, an app. It might be on the Apple Podcasts app.

Who who does it?

So so Angie, she's from Echo Housing, but she also is the host. And so I was looking at their website, and I can email you all out the link when I have more details. But they just really, like, highlight stories from Alameda. So it's anecdotal, but it's also kind of informative. I think it's, like, a little bit of an Alameda Post vibe, but in podcast form. So they do yeah. They just highlight, like, special characters in Alameda that everyone knows and loves, like, stories and things.

Packs.

So I think it could be a really fun channel. You know, at our January meeting, we were talking about, like, how do people get information about our city, our town. And so I was thinking, okay. This could be kind of a fun out of the box way to connect with I don't know who whomever the listeners might be. So I like it. Cool. If there's nothing else, can do a motion to adjourn.

And move to adjourn?

I second.

Okay. Thank you, commissioners.