Town Council - Regular Meeting

Well, the commissioner's having a meeting tonight. So, I mean, we can be at both places.

Life happens, Rick. I know it.

I told Sarah she's still concerned. She needs to go. Yes.

Yes. Well, I'm sorry. Oh, yeah.

Two minutes, a minor penalty, two minutes in the penalty box.

So good evening and welcome to the June 15th, 2026 Akron Town Council meeting. Before we get started, I'd like to remind everyone that this meeting is being recorded and your participation is your consent to be recorded and broadcast on the town of Akron. Roll call. Jim Saner.

Here.

Rich Solano.

Here.

Tony Ramirez.

Here.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL THANK YOU I'LL LEAD THE ORDER AND THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE ACCEPTANCE OF THE ACRON TOWN COUNCIL REGULAR MEETING MAY 18TH OF 2026 A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED

I MOVE TO ACCEPT TO APPROVE MINUTES AS PRESENTED I'LL SECOND IT ALL IN FAVOR AYE OKAY THE NEXT IS BUSINESS SNOCO LETTER TO IDEM SO THIS LETTER IS NECESSARY SNOCO

is in the works with IDEM on possibly requiring pretreatment from their facility. This is just a letter from the utility stating that they have current authority to discharge into our facility, which they already are. It's more of a formality, but they just need a letter. They kind of gave me this template I met with Mary from IDEM. So the language and everything is what they suggested. So Jim would just need to sign

that would probably i don't know andy can dial down probably make a motion just to approve yes uh motion to approve the application the letter uh regarding sunoco products uh and the town of akron i'll second it all favor aye

Next is the application for cemetery heritage sign in the Akron Citizens Cemetery, which is here in town at South End.

So the Daughters of the American Revolution chapter here in our local county are reached out and their project is doing these historic signs for the cemeteries that have veterans buried. I called and talked down to the Division of Historic Preservation Archaeology to make sure I had all the necessary information filled out on this application. I told the representative for the Daughters of the American Revolution that I wanted to bring it to the board just so everybody was in agreeance that this application could be submitted and that you were fine with that signage to be added down there at the cemetery. And they're covering all the costs and everything. And it's six. The gentleman down there told me once they actually submit this, it's six to eight weeks before the sign is delivered.

So. Uninstalls it or they install it?

I think this is all a part of like all.

Okay.

They were asking us to fill out the necessary information, have the appropriate board member of GEM sign up on the application.

Okay. Is this something that we have to make a motion on or?

Sure. I mean. A motion to support the application for the cemetery heritage signs for the Akron Cemetery.

Can I suggest you add to that motion that you're also authorizing Jim to sign the application so that that's correct?

And then the motion to include authorizing Jim to sign the application.

I'll second it.

All in favor? Aye.

Aye.

Okay. Next is the, our Yoder pay claims. Number one is $6,734.71.

I provided you with an updated copy. It's identical to what was in the packet other than this one does have the engineer's signature. stating that it is ready for it out.

Anthony, do you know if there's a start date? Nothing yet.

They haven't done anything yet. Is it just part of the schedule?

So this is because they've had some expenses as far as getting things ordered and prepared. I questioned it when the email came through with engineer. It's not a lot. It's $6,000. It was $3,441.

I believe they said end of June, but it's all dependent on our tanks and everything else.

Okay. And Midwest engineers okay to release?

Yes. Mark signature on the updated one states.

I'll make a motion that we ACCEPT THIS APPLICATION AND CERTIFICATE FOR PAYMENT. THOMAS EXCAVATING YODER. I'M SORRY. OUR YODER PAY CLAIM NUMBER ONE OF $6,734.71. I'LL SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. NEXT IS THOMAS EXCAVATING CHANGE ORDER OF $6,501.

gave you updated. You'll see on number two, the change order of the 6,501. That is basically because when the original estimate was done by the engineer, our water main was going to run directly down 19 with the issue we had with the easement with NIPSCO, we went out and around. So there was an additional boring as well as additional piping that wasn't figured in and then also a valve that they had to put in down at SnoCo had to be different. So that is why there's a slight increase to the cost of the project.

Then the next one, $56,650 is their final payment.

That is their final payment, which that amount of the change order is included in that final payout. But you will have to approve that change order and then approve the overall.

So I'll make the motion that we accept the change order from Thomas Excavating of $6,501. No sense. Second. On favor? Aye. Then the next Thomas Excavating final payment claim, $56,650.30. Make a motion that we go ahead and issue the check. Second. On favor? Aye. Thank you. Baker Tilly.

I provided copies of the financial management report from 2025 for you to review over the next month. Baker Tilly is planning to be present at the July 20th meeting to go over these reports and hopefully be able to give an update on the sewer costs, sewer project costs.

Good.

All right, thank you.

uh department reports uh justin i just had the incident report in front of you ordinances have gone 12. he's got a few calls for some vehicles did have a request for a baby on 14 that needed some more time i told her she's making an effort to give her 10 more days work with her um Mark and I have been trying to get together on a time to go get uniforms. Nothing's signed up just yet. We're hoping the end of this week. Other than that, the only other thing I've got is we had a request for a four-way stop at Water and Johnson Street. If you're asking my advice, it's only been about a week and a half ago. Let me monitor it for a couple of weeks. I've been down there since we've got the complaint, but I've not been down there every day. I think it is one vehicle and address that vehicle. So I really don't see at this point, but like I said, let me do my due diligence. Give me a month to go down there, sit and watch a little bit and see what happens.

Okay. Johnson and Water.

I take it this person's been running a stop sign all the time.

yes i had two different complaints on him i don't know if it was within what the same week i don't know if it was the same day it was a nice day um i spoke with the individual i believe we got it addressed i did talk but one person is saying it's all the time i talked to uh sidewalk workers i mean they were right there and if anybody's gonna know it's gonna be them any description of the vehicle, and they said they hadn't even seen the vehicle. The only time they had seen the vehicle was when I spoke with dad, which is about three blocks away. So I said, we'll monitor it and go from there.

Did you talk to the person who had the concern and tell them that you spoke with the...

I spoke with his daughter.

Okay.

I spoke with his daughter on two different occasions.

Okay.

And one time that i did talk to her she said it had gotten better okay so obviously except we'll monitor it go from there and uh i really don't want to have a four-way stop at that location that doesn't make sense it's not gonna when i have been down there i said one day for an hour and 15 minutes three cars went through Each north and south and east and west. So I was afternoon and school's not in session as well. So we try for somebody and maybe we go into when school backs gets back in until then and then make the decision. Yeah. Okay. Fair enough. Sounds good. So I've got getting running out from the 4th of July.

Yeah. Manpower set.

I believe we do.

we do make contact with uh fulton county the reserves i made contact with uh ema as well as uh the austrian cops here i know there was some concerns last year from the fire department they put the tape across on rural street and people just ignored it just kept walking through and i think i think that's going to be um

be a little bit more difficult this year yeah okay we got a fed order uh it's here the fence is here okay yeah all right part of it so i think that's going to be taken care of this year okay i think we actually got more fence than we were originally planning so yeah take care of that um i have a thing from ema just for the fourth of july committee

But if you have some time this week to swing in and maybe make sure I'm completing it correctly. Okay. If you don't care. I'm not done. Something new they want to do for an event?

Right now. Thank you. Do we have ordinances about appliances out on people's porches?

i don't know that it specifically says appliances jim um i believe the way our ordinance reads is junk rubbish and debris now what your classification of junk rubbish and debris is i guess that would be a question or if we cite somebody and they go to the courts and i just think maybe we should take a look at that ordinance at an ordinance and make some changes were very vague yeah i think it's a good idea and i think the world we live in now the more defined you have the ordinance the better off you are because our definition of a junk vehicle and somebody else's definition of junk vehicle maybe two different things for example

That might be something. Yeah, I would. I think we should revisit some of these ordinances because people just they don't mind living in trash and it's all around the house and it's on the front porches. And we have to reword these things. I think we should. I think we should take a look at this.

Not opposed to that at all.

Okay.

Okay.

Right. Okay.

We can get together at some point. Yeah.

I would like to. There's another house down in that area east on Rural Street there on the south side of the street that needs definite attention. just drop a dumpster off every day did you i mean we still need to look at it yeah even if they're um also there is a trailer these people just moved out of this trailer down by uh on johnson it's down behind i think susie rensberg well used to be rensberger okay yes as well yes they moved out as the trash all those trash bags still out there around the house

Within a day of you and I talking.

Okay.

Yeah, that was taken care of. As far as them moving out, I think they are moved out. I drove by there, I drove by today, but I don't think it's all that bad. I've heard the inside is not good, but I've not been in there, haven't had reason to go in there. So that's going to be between landlord and tenant on that end of it.

Okay.

All right. Thanks. And they had complaints about dogs and they were then the ordinance. I thought we have three, three dog limit and they had three. So they wanted a violation of that as well. Okay.

Anything else for me? Nope. That's it.

Um, you want to do, um, we got me take guys back in town. They're working on South Tower now, doing sandblasting on the inside. Not 100% certain what their timeline is. They made a mess of that area terribly. Over the course of this time when they've been gone, they left a whole bunch of tools and hoses and everything out there. And the grass inside the actual feet of the tank was... Pretty tall. So we have a new contact with him. And he came down and he was pretty upset about it. We took our weed eater down there and they cut it all down so we could get in there with the mower and actually cut it down. And then they brought in a lift on one of these days after the rain and they buried it in there. And now it's completely And, and Jake, I didn't stop by and see him today. Um, when Jake came last week, he pulled up and the guy met him right at the gate and said, I know it'll, it'll be fixed. And Jake didn't even, so, so they know this dude's pretty good. It seems like they are, uh, a little more attention to detail with some of the stuff with that guy around. But, uh, again, I don't know the timeline. Uh, we did our hydro flushing, um, got everything done. We have a few, we, we made a list of, of stuff that we need. We got a few hydrants that are replaced, but I believe we have that in our plan as part of four hydrants, I believe, or five hydrants or something. So we'll get those replaced as time dictates. Um, as far as water goes, we had a water leak down on Cherry Street and, um, well, the DC construction guys, they now hit two of our curb stop, which, I mean, it happens, whatever. Jake and I replaced the one on Walnut and this one over on Cherry Street. We had already sent our back out for repairs. So we called construction services in and they had it done in 20 minutes. They're quick and efficient and really good. So it's all good. As far as wastewater, We're having some problems with the blue frog. Jake had talked to Bryce, I believe. Is it Live Oak? Live Oak Electrician? Yeah. Talked to Bryce. Bryce came out and checked it. It threw a code the other day. Jake took a picture of it, sent it to him, and he said it was an overheating code. So the control panel that's in this box, it's a sealed box, it has been overheated. Well, we've had a mice issue. So there have been mice in there. It's dusty. Jake and I's plan is we are going to take like a two-inch hole saw in the side of that box and cut some holes in it and then get a small cover or vent and place over those holes. I went out there and I took one of our microfiber rags and kind of rolled it up and stuck it in the corner and closed it on that so there's a little gap in it and it allows air in there. And it's ran out for the last three days straight and it hasn't picked off yet. Um, so that's the plan with that. Um, the sewer, I have on here that the sewer back is in the shop getting repairs and maintenance done. I actually got it back today. So, um, everything's done on it. Adam said that the final invoice will be sent over at some point this week. Um, it looks good. They were, they, I mean, we've, I think we extended the life of that thing for quite a while. So, um, Yeah, DC with the sidewalks and stuff, they are, you know, without the few little hiccups with the curb stops, they've been pretty awesome. They've done a really good job. I mean, they run their crews through, they get the debris out, and they got the guys right behind them. And what's most impressive to me is already on Walnut Street, there's grass growing. It looks like... Compared to Pender Ground in our last project, those roads, it looked tore up for a long time. These guys have been great with all that stuff. And Central Street looks pretty awesome with the brand new sidewalk back through there. It's really good. Our street sweeper, we ordered a new one. Jake spoke with Scott. It really should be any day now. They did get the gutter brush, which is the longer arm that the round brush that kind of, they got that in. So the main thing will be right behind it. As soon as that's in. What's that? As soon as it's in. Oh, yeah. For fourth.

And if not, what is the backup plan? Is that something that can be rented? I'm just curious.

I'll have Adam bring me one.

I understand. Just because of the fourth of November.

Like Adam, like, I mean, I was just talking to Adam today when he dropped off our batch. and because we were talking about this and he said a lot of communities rent them a couple times a year and so i'll have you bring one okay we won't rent it we'll demo it sounds good love it um outside of that the temporary fencing like what justin was talking about we were talking about the rural street we got i don't remember how much we ordered kind of went together on that i forget yeah but it's a stat i mean it was it was left uh last thursday morning

We unloaded it, sitting out there. We had found one place, and what they were going to charge for freight was astronomical. So we did some more digging, Jake and I, and we found another location, and I think it was four or five more panels for the same price, and freight was about $700 cheaper.

so it's a construction type fencing chain lean as the feet movable and we got plenty to spread clear across rural street both sides um six foot yes it is six foot yeah um so yeah it was all delivered in there it's still it's sitting outside the shop still we haven't put it in we don't really have room in my face to put it inside at the moment we'll have to make some room but um uh but yeah i think that'll be uh i think that'll be nice And I think we'll have a little extra if we need other places to set it up and stuff.

It's six feet by 10 feet, and it looks like you ordered 30 panels.

Yeah, I think that's what's going on here. Twenty four.

Yeah.

OK, that's one for. Yeah.

So.

So 300 feet of fencing. Yeah. So that should do well for us and. that's all they get the asset where our asset management survey has been completed and submitted outside of that no issues with that explain what that covers all right so there's multiple there's multiple things that are required that we have to have asset management wise and it's just uh jake and rebecca had worked on it it's an online form you fill it out about um just

the assets we have rebecca probably knows more about it than i do on that side but it's an annual thing you know so a lot of people are non-compliant in the state with the um utility management plans so like how we had to do that one for the sewer side of things um and we paid 50 000 i think for engineer to do it um that's not required yet there's just this little survey that needs to be done and that was due by july 1st and alphabetically towns that were like a through i'm just going to say j or something they were due for 2026 and then the other ones are due by july 1st to 27. this is initially just getting started um and even the alliance of mineral water is will assist us in really completing the more robust plan that's required. But this is at least for us to check the box that we have completed the necessary task.

And there's more coming down the road. There's more of that type of stuff that is going to be required in the future. This is kind of getting ahead of it with that type of stuff. Okay. Yeah. Any other questions?

No, just for the water utility.

So.

Yes, sir.

How are you paying for that, Betsy?

Public safety. Thanks, Anthony. I had heard and I loved that idea. And I assume basically, I mean, honestly, it's realistically more of a public safety issue than it is.

When we had the opera house issue years ago. Did we rent that? Yeah, we got something that we'll have to build. Oh, yeah. Try the shelter so they go to the old barbershop. Yeah.

No, that was as long as it makes sense for that to come from there.

There's probably going to be some other uses down the road for it, too. I'm sure we'll find other things. Yeah, there'll be plenty of things. Oh, that, too. That, too. I think the street sweep is kind of a safety issue, too, right? I don't think so. Yeah. The fence, other pieces of the fence.

Andy? We requested another proceeding supplemental for Abbott on that small claims judgment. She's not paid, so I'm asking the judge to order her to come back to court. Because when she showed up to court, we got an answer from her, but I don't seem to get any answers between them.

So with this ordinance we were talking about, you know, what kind of language Can we add to make it more robust? The rubbish, junk, rubbish, and debris. Yeah.

You know, some communities have a more thorough definition of junk. One says junk cars or equipment, like rather than just cars. You know, that seems to be the dominant one. So you might try and put some additional nouns. like you could say appliance, you could say equipment. I think the key is inoperability. I think you're always going to have a hard time if someone puts their washing machine on their front porch, but it works and they have it plugged into an outlet. It's kind of like, now you're into, that's kind of his own thing at this point. If they want to have an outdoor washer, it wouldn't happen. yeah, they want to have an outdoor washer, that gets a little tougher to say, no, we just don't like the looks of that having an outdoor, well, not jump, you know, but appliances, think about appliances, think about equipment, and you might include terms like rust, as kind of a determining factor if it's junk. But inoperability certainly I think should qualify anything that's outside and is not in working condition. Everyone has had to get rid of a water heater at some point. And you call the guy who's coming to pick it up and he misses a day and it's there for two days.

That was my next question. Do we put a timeframe on, let's say, appliances?

If you put a timeframe in it, now it is a defense to them that it's within the timeframe. If you don't put a timeframe in it, then it's your kind of discretion to say, hey, I'm going to come back at some future time. I think the time limit would ultimately make your job harder okay um then just say no we don't want it out there and uh um if he says well you know that means I can't put it out even if the guy is coming tomorrow you can say well if you're concerned about that then done but I think you have to have some some ability within that frame to say look I'm not I'm not gonna write you up if if you put that equipment out, you got a guy who's come to get it and he missed or he delayed or whatever. I just think that I would probably for things like that. Now, some people do for cars or larger things that but for this kind of stuff, you know, they're going to say they moved it and they moved it 10 feet and now you're into that. But those are some of the terms you might add for it. I haven't done a deep dive, but I know that I've seen some others mention appliance, mention equipment, mention machinery, those kinds of things. So if you find something on board. Basically, the generic term is tangible personal property. So tangible personal property that is on the yard, the legal term for the approach to a door, sometimes called the curb, which area of the steps up to the porch. And yeah, you can say, basically nothing on the curplage visible from the sidewalk that is tangible personal property that is inoperable, rusted. I think you can say unsightly, and that might convey the idea, but it's not a precise term because it could be so inherently subjective.

While we're talking about this, What about people who buy houses in a town or a city to flip them and they're still working on it three years from now? Okay. Or what if they just haven't even touched it?

There are building regulations that I know that, and I'm trying to remember whether, because the city of Rochester had this, I'm trying to remember if it, to go into their building code uh a few years ago uh casey came to the city council uh and said i think got them to pass a either a 30 day or a 60 day uh but there's something related to the permit i thought uh when it comes to that so i could i could check with heather and say hey akron is interested in tightening down time frames for improvement projects Could you look at what was the building codes that Rochester has already and we could do something similar in Akron. But there is a time frame I think has to show up in your building code so that she can enforce it. So they're basically it's like they they would be that. Yes, you could write it up so you could give them an ordinance. But again, now you've got Marshall checking time frames. But the other motivating factor is their permanent expires and they're out there in town that it's sitting empty yeah and it's been empty for 25 or 30 years okay and nothing's been basically done it's not illegal to own an empty house they're paying the taxes on it well you can't you you can't easily you can't regulate their motivation You can't say we're banning house flippers. But you can say, look, if you're going to start a project that leaves construction materials and debris and you're doing this, you're doing that, depending on the scope of the project, you can limit the time frame to do that and say, okay, when you get the permit, you got X number of days and you have to finish the project by then. You can't just have it open-ended. definitely sure i mean because if that happens drawing the distinction between a junk house and a mid-improvement project house it's really tough i am you know i have three friends of mine growing up all their dads were firefighters firefighters would work they'd have two days on every day four days off or whatever every one of their houses always had at least one or two projects mid-profit they were they were never not working on some project over this long period of time so yeah i get it that can bring property values down okay yeah i can say something for that thank you anything else nope all right

okay ordinance resolutions resolution 06-15-2026 transfer of appropriations leaving funds to get things made just to clear it up just so it comes out the correct appropriation it was we did a little bit more street tree maintenance and then also covering engineering costs for the CCMG okay so motion to approve resolution

uh 06-15-2026 transfer appropriations uh as presented second all in favor aye resolutions 0615-2026a support and local match for park project so i kind of spoke about this last council meeting on writing a grant ready grant

for the Pike Memorial Park Improvement Project. And it's one-to-one as far as matching. And after Richard asked to go back and look at some funding and stuff on being able to make that match the grant, we talked to the gentleman on Friday and it looked like we could potentially get up to 200,000 of the 275,000 that they have. BASED ON THAT RESOLUTION, MY RECOMMENDATION FOR THE COUNCIL WOULD BE TO SUPPORT THE MATCH OF THE $200,000 WITH OUR LOCAL FUNDS FOR THE GRANT.

IF THE GRANT TOTAL IS $200,000, YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE.

AND THAT'S $400,000 FOR THE PROJECT. OKAY.

And that would be contingent of.

That's contingent of getting that. So it's another resolution that's contingent on actually receiving the ready grant. If we would not get the ready grant, then that completely changes our commitment towards. Right. Okay. But I. Not to push us, if we are, we're not on that. I am trying to get it. submitted no later than the end of the month if not mid-july because it is a first come first serve basis on getting that match but this is a requirement that they have a letter from the town council resolution stating that you guys are in support of this so we don't get all the way down the road and then

Any other questions? No.

I'll make a motion that we pass Resolution 06-15-2026A, Project Committee Matching Funds for the Ready 2.0 Rural Community Development Program.

We'll second. We'll second. All in favor? Aye. Aye.

dockets of $322,842.67 and payroll allowance dockets of $24,342.35.

I didn't have any questions.

Make a motion that we pay the dockets of $322,842.67 and a payroll allowance docket of $24,342.35. I'll second. All in favor? Aye.

Just a couple of quick things from the clerk's office. I will be out of the office FOR THE COUNCIL MEETING ON THE 20th. THE FIRST PART OF THE WEEK I WILL BE AVAILABLE, PHONE CALLS VIA E-MAIL AT THE END OF THE WEEK. I WILL BE BUSY WITH FAMILY AND WILL NOT ENTERTAIN WORK UNLESS IT IS AN EMERGENCY ON MONDAY.

DATES AGAIN, 12TH TO THE 20th?

The 18th, 19th.

11th through the 19th, okay.

So I'll try to get the council stuff and things prepared. All right. The other thing we've been talking about is the must. So municipal unit strategic task force, I've attended a couple of meetings regarding the new LIT structure. The county council is meeting tomorrow evening. and Bank of Chile is going to kind of present to them. Municipalities kind of had a head start on knowing about this because we're involved with AIM. The Association of Indiana Counties has been a little bit more, not as proactive, I guess, to say on getting this information out. And there's a pretty strict guideline. So we have a date where myself, the county auditor, and clerk treasurers, along with Baker Tilly are planning to hopefully meet the last Tuesday of the month for our next meeting, just to get things going. But Kathy and I have had two conversations since then, just trying to think things through on what that looks like. So there's really nothing to report on it other than we are working through the process. Anything else? When we were talking about the sidewalks, I'll just, so it's on the record, there's been a couple of phone calls on residents that live along the state highway that have questioned whether the residents on the local streets have had to pay anything towards their new sidewalk. And I explained to them again that this is a grant and we can only use those funds for the local project on our local roads that we maintain. I'm not going to pass up the opportunity to revitalize our town because I can't control what the grant rules state. Myself, just like them, I shared that we live on a state highway and I do not get the same perks that the in town streets get um i did a share that we've been in contact with endot on their future project of trying to get our sidewalks along those state highways included but their proposed cost of that versus having a local contractor just do it could be more affordable for the town and i said that's something you know the council i'm working together that information when that time comes i mean that'll be the council deciding if they want to throw it into a federally funded red tape project with endot or if we're just going to say here's our priority areas and we're going to do it like i told them i i understand their frustration on feeling like you know somebody else is getting something more than they got but like i told them we're doing a 860 000 project for 176 000 i said you know it's real hard for me to say No. And I said, we're writing our last, um, I've reached out to Butler, Fairman and Cipher, which is our civil engineer, um, and told them I wanted to meet to go over there's about four more small segments throughout the town of existing sidewalk and roads that I want to try to write the grant for. It was supposed to be due July 1st. They pushed the deadline to September 1st. So for 27, so with us working the budget coming up soon, I want to be able to see if that can even be worked in and then all of our interior SIDEWALKS AND ROADS FROM THAT STANDPOINT WILL BE UPDATED ADA COMPLIANT SO LIKE TO SEE THAT HAPPEN IF WE CAN AFFORD IT SO ANYWAY I'M JUST TELLING YOU I MEAN THEY WERE VERY KIND ON THE PHONE AND TALKING BUT IT WAS ME YEAH WELL YOU CAN ALWAYS UH ENCOURAGE THEM TO COME TO A TOWN YEAH AND VOICE THEIR CONCERNS AND WE CAN EXPLAIN TO IT YEAH SO I did. I think we're good. It's been two years in a row. Same conversation. It's okay. I mean, but he didn't, they did not recall the conversation from the prior year. So just reiterating what.

Speaking of sidewalks, and this is just an off the cuff thing. Has there ever been thought of like standard edition sidewalks, Jim? Is that something that would be?

And yeah, it was talked about a long time ago. Yeah.

I always thought about that when we go out there picking up brush and a lot of people walk out there. A lot of people walk out there. Yeah. I don't know. I didn't know if that was something that was probably talked about.

Yeah.

So what we need to do is we need to go hide some concrete under the ground. And there was sidewalk here. Is that how we do that? No, sorry.

Our town attorney doesn't want to fight that.

That's all. Can you imagine us getting sidewalks out there and the ones along Mishawaka and Rochester not?

No, no, no. I know. I'd get roasted. Yeah. I was always thinking about that when we go out there and seeing people out there. It'd be nice. Yeah.

All right. I'll make motion to adjourn. Thank you, Andy.