Board of Supervisors - Regular Meeting

Mr. Holroyd? Yes.

Mrs. Noll? Yes. Mr. Drury?

Present.

Mr. Rohn? Here. Mr. Shepherd? Here. Mr. Chairman, you have a quorum.

Thank you. Now I'll call on Deacon Philip Wilkins of the St. Kateri Tekawitha.

Let us pray. Heavenly Father, we thank you for the freedom you have given to us and for the price that was paid by Christ so that we could live free. You gave us your Son to redeem us and to teach us how to live rightly and how to serve others, especially those in most need. Lord, through your word and guided by Christ's teaching, our forefathers created a great nation. We thank you for the brave men and women who have fought and continue to fight so courageously for our nation. We thank you for our leaders who built and continue to strengthen our nation from the national, state, and local levels. We ask for your grace, peace, and blessing over them and their families. Bring your grace upon them and encircle them in your loving arms that they may have peace and comfort through your perfect love. In your arms, may they recognize you and the salvation they receive through your Son, Jesus Christ. Holy Father, gathered here before you, the York County Board of Supervisors, our local leaders have come to continue to govern and serve your people. We ask you to be with them and continue to guide them in finding fair and just ways to serve your people. as Christ taught the disciples to serve others and then sent them to serve, we ask that through our leaders, their service brings us ever closer to you, for you are the way, the truth, and the light. We ask all this through our Lord Jesus Christ. Amen.

Thank you, Deacon. Those who are able, please stand for the pledge.

Stephen, please join me in pledge allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Now we will move right into the presentations. So we have Ben Whitener from the Parks and Recreation. who will give us a program update.

Good evening. Thank you guys for having me. It's been a year since I've been up here last, and it's always a pleasure to be here with you all. As I mentioned, my name is Ben Wagner. I'm the Parks and Recreation Manager. And as we're Going into the next fiscal year, our biggest project was our comprehensive plan. That took about six or seven months to complete. I worked with a consultant from McGill and Associates. We talked and communicated. nearly every day for about six months, and then they finally came out with their final plan back in February-March timeframe. It's about 300 pages long. I know everyone read every single word of it, and I appreciate it. But they outlined four main points, and the first one was prepare for growth and increasing demand for parks and recreation. The second was improve and maintain existing facilities as parks and amenities age. Number three was expand recreation opportunities based on community needs and priorities. And the last was invest strategically in parks, programs, and facilities over the next 10 years. One of those projects we actually just added to our CIP and it is a revitalization of Charles Brown Park. This past winter we renovated the MLK building. It's a smaller community center that can host small events. It looks fantastic if you guys haven't seen it yet. And based off the report that we got from McGill one of their recommendations was a splash pad And we thought Charles Brown Park would be a perfect place for that because it's centrally located So we're looking at potentially adding a splash pad. And you can see I had a heavy hand in designing this. And the goal was to go with a battle theme. They only had pirate stuff. So I asked them to take off the crossbones and skull and replace it with colonial type attire. Also putting in a new picnic shelter and converting one of the two outdoor basketball courts into pickleball courts. We've seen the huge demand of our pickleball facility over at Bat Creek, and we would like to bring two or three pickleball courts to Charles Brown Park. It wouldn't have lights. It wouldn't be nearly as big as what we have at Bat Creek, but it would meet the needs of the community. This is a second rendering of kind of what the park could potentially look like. On the far right, you have the MLK building, which is existing, of course, same with the Large parking lot. You can see that we have one of the outdoor basketball courts still. Now we have two pickleball courts. The splash pad would go behind the existing playground. The community garden stays in place. We would have a proposed outdoor shelter, picnic shelter for parties that could be rented. We have a new parking lot that would go in the outfield of the existing baseball field. and then potentially a proposed skate park as well. So we would be turning this small park into a neighborhood park. You would have different amenities that would bring different demographics, and it would meet multiple different needs, which is what we want to see. Quick athletics update. So this past year, we had about 20, almost 2,500 youth sports participants, the MAC, The sports facility we have had about 246,000 visitations total over the course of a year. We also installed a new PERI weather system. So introducing the PERI weather system, a new on-site weather station at the McReynolds Athletic Complex. This system provides both audible and visual alerts when lightning is detected within a 10-mile radius. We have put this in at the MAC, and it will sound an alarm when lightning is detected within 10 miles. It's pretty great because the staff that work there, they're not meteorologists, and this allows them to focus on their jobs. And what's also great, too, is it will also alert park users when lightning has cleared the area. So it's keeping people safe as they utilize the sports complex.

Couple programs. So it rings continuously while lightning is in the area, is that?

No, it will ring when lightning enters the area and then it will flash while lightning and then it will do another announcement when lightning is cleared.

Thank you. What park are you talking out specifically?

This was at the MAC.

At the MAC? So you got it set at 10 miles?

Correct. Why? Because that's, well, we have a specific weather policy and any lightning within 10 miles means we have to shut down play. Now, it'll detect lightning further away. It'll detect lightning, I think, up to 50 miles, but the alarm will only go off when it's within 10.

That's interesting because I play golf a lot. Golf clubs generally got a metal shaft, and you're in the open, and they set it five miles. Interesting. And that's generally the standard policy for golf courses. And sometimes they'll set off alarms and stuff. So 10 miles seems a bit excessive considering storms that come in and hang out over the James River.

Sure. Certainly, I can tell you in my experience working in Parks and Recreation, 10 has always been the standard on the Parks and Rec standpoint. It could be different for golf courses, but we err on the 10 mile radius. That was part of the weather policy before I started and what we have continued to go with. Thank you.

Is there a way that could be tied into the rain out line app? so that people of other nearby parks could maybe get an alert, say, hey, because a mile away, lightning was detected. We're within that 10-mile radius. I wonder if that's something that we could look at in the future.

I'm not sure if they're able to communicate with each other. I know they're completely different softwares. But I could certainly look into that now.

It'll only measure lightning at the Mac So if there's a park, you know two or three miles away, I just think about tab middle school tab high school sure Wolf Trap Park all those are you know within a mile of?

We also have there's the nap the lightning alert app get on your phone. It's free And you can set it for whatever range you want. I have mine set at five miles, especially when I'm teaching class or whatever. And it's very easy. And when it opens up over the area, you see the area, and it shows you where the lightning hit or where it occurred. And instead of maybe buying a ton of equipment, People can just be made aware that there's this app out there that you can use. There's several of them, actually. They're free.

Well, that was the issue we were running into was different apps were saying different things. And we had park users arguing with staff, well, my app says this, and then another app is saying that. So that's why we went with a consistent weather system that will tell you, literally tell you when lightning is within range and then when it exits that range. But yes, we've decided on the 10 mile radius, but that can be amended if needed. Couple of our summer programs is we had Safety Town, Special Rec Camp, Summer Fun, we had 81 for Art Camp, we had 374 for Field Trip Fever, 200 for Safety Town, Special Rec, which is an adaptive recreation program had 17, and then Summer Fun had 366 campers this past summer. New updates. So we've installed some, we don't have any pictured here, but some new interpretive signage at New Quarter Park. highlighting the different wildlife, some of the history that's at New Quarter Park. We placed them along high traffic areas, along the trails. We also did the same thing at Roger Smith Landing for the different animals and vegetation you can find in the creek there. Another thing is we have updated at least two new park entrance signs, and we have plans to finish the others this winter. So all of our park entrance signs will be the consistent blue with our logo on it. We're excited to have some consistency there. And then we also have two new playgrounds at the MAC that were installed this past spring. Our senior center, so very popular AARP tax aid volunteer program. We had a Juneteenth memorial. We had a senior social luau. We had an art show recently. And we're planning an overnight field trip to Asheville in November to tour the Biltmore for Christmas time. So we're definitely excited for that. Looking ahead, we have our Halloween bash on the evening of October 16th. We're going to be working with Grafton High School. Our second annual New York City trip, which was a big hit last year at Christmas time. We want to continue to replace the park entrance signs at all parks to ensure consistency. The Christmas tree lighting program on the 4th. We also want to roll out a new special needs adaptive recreation program. We're thinking some type of Valentine's Day dance. And then new quarter park expanded programs and hours and renovate the office this off season so it's more in line with the 21st century. With that, does anyone have any questions? Questions? Sheila?

No questions. Quite comprehensive. I thank you very much.

Of course.

Thank you. Tom, any questions? Great.

I just want to make it clear. Okay. Great, great report. Sure. Needed the update. Just want to make it clear, I'm not advocating less safety, okay? Because like I said, I'm a golfer and I'm, you know, like first bolt of lightning or first thunder I hear, I'm off the golf course. Of course. I don't wait for it to get within 10 miles or five miles. But I'm just saying that, you know, that some, I just want to understand the considerations for the parameters that we use, okay? Sure. So everybody needs to be aware and there's no need for the risk. Absolutely. All right. Thank you. Yep.

Yeah, thanks for the presentation. Did I hear you say something about a skate park? You did, yes. Okay.

Where is that proposed? We are looking at Charles Brown Park.

Okay. Because at first I thought there was some talk about being at the MAC.

Mm-hmm.

Oh, you said MAC.

We have looked at the MAC, and nothing has been decided yet The issue with the MAC is that we don't really have a lot of space out there. That land is owned by Newport News. We also felt that Charles Brown could be a good contender for it because our goal was to kind of turn that park into having multiple different amenities. The Mac, I can tell you, on a Saturday or a Sunday during soccer and baseball season is a beast. I mean, there's literally, they run out of parking. And then you bring in what could potentially be a very, very popular skate park. You know, the logistics side, it would be tough. Whereas if we looked at Charles Brown Park, we were also going to bring in another parking lot because we would potentially have a splash pad there and potentially have the skate park there. But nothing has been decided yet. looking more so at Charles Brown at this time.

Okay.

All right. Thank you. Of course.

How do you make the assessment when trying to decide to renovate existing facilities or establish new facilities? What's your assessment process?

That's a good question. I mean, you know, when we looked at the MLK building, that was one of the places that Sherry actually took me during my job interview. It needed a lot of love. It was in pretty rough shape. If it's a facility that I'm not proud to show off, then it's a facility that I would either like to either refresh or replace.

Because I know we do have a big struggle just accommodating everybody that needs some type of park service, softball, baseball, soccer, football, everything. I know you guys are always running out of places to put people. It gets really tough. I've experienced that personally. Hence my question, how do we figure out when it's time to build new, when is it time to renovate and expand? That's just the ongoing equation.

That's absolutely right and you know another project that we hope to do this this winter is the office up in New Quarter Park It's one of those buildings. It's really old. It's not a very big building And you know we're looking at just refreshing you know getting some new floors in doing some painting Making it you know kind of give you some some new some new furniture in there Just make it look a little bit more appealing to attract people to come Facilities use the parks. Okay.

All right.

Thank you.

Yep

As the others have said, Ben, great job. Good presentation. One question I had on Charles Brown. Yes, sir. So you're taking away the existing baseball field. Is that how I understand it?

Potentially.

Potentially. Potentially. I mean, if you're building a skate park in a new parking area, you've taken the outfield. Right. So tell me, is there less of a demand in that area now for baseball, or is there other locations nearby where baseball is offered?

Sure, so my background is actually in youth sports, and I would never willingly take away field space from any organization unless I knew that it could be repurposed and used in a more efficient way. And that particular baseball field has close to zero reservations, and the one reservation we have out there, we could easily move to another facility. But I hear you loud and clear. I would never put us or any community or sports league in a situation where they would no longer be able to play.

Don't get me wrong. If we've got better use for the grounds, I'm all for that. I just wanted to make sure we weren't taking away something of demand in that area. Yes, sir.

I've got a question to follow up if you don't mind.

Okay, so you just keyed me up on something here. So all this is a splash pad and a skate park. It's going to be put in at Charles Brown Park.

Yes, sir.

Okay, so thinking of the population of your county, Charles Brown Park is what I would say is not in the center. Physically, it's kind of there, but it's more on the edge of your county, right? Would you agree?

No, I wouldn't say so at all. Charles Brown's right out here. It's only maybe a mile or two away.

Okay, what's one by the Naval Weapons Station? No, that's New Quarter. No, not New Quarter, but I'm thinking about New Quarter.

But that area has grown so much.

Has it changed?

Oh, yes, it changed.

That's where Rose Hill is moving.

There are a lot of school children in there. Okay.

Well, I know they build all those new homes in the back, right?

Lots of them. I'm amazed every time I go there.

Well, that was my point is that I wanted to know the population, are they going to use this park? Are we going to have to drive? Sure. We talk about, okay, District 5. You know how many parks I have in District 5?

You have zero.

Big zero, right?

It keeps me up at night. I'm with you.

And so the closest we're getting to a park right now is the HRSD property that's been turned into a trail. But we can use the school grounds. There are several school grounds that are allowed to be used, but it's only after school. Correct. Maybe some during summer. So I'm thinking about when we build these things, access by the community, okay? I mean, this is not close to District 1, okay, at all, but you've got a nice park up there already, a huge park. And then you come down towards 3 and 4, you know, basically 4 has got the MAC, okay? Well, we used to, but now Sheila does.

And there's also a baseball field. down there over on over in uh in uh in kiln creek we got a lot of good restaurants too i don't know if you noticed we asked we've got a baseball field kill creek but there's also one uh off of cook road oh yeah it's on the right but that's privately owned Well, it's well used.

I know. Well, the point is it's just access, okay? So we have these things that you're going to have a splash pad and then you're going to have to escape part. I can agree that, you know, it would seem to me that, unfortunately, if we had gotten or could acquire more land up around the waterworks property, which is unused land, okay, that we could probably put one in there, which would definitely be more centralized to a larger part of our population.

Absolutely. Absolutely. And I agree with everything you had to say. You know, I'm a firm believer in if you build it, they will come. And what's unique about this park is if you look at the MAC, it only caters to sports and athletics. If you look at Back Creek Park, it pretty much only caters to people. So you're talking about Back Creek. You're not talking about Charles Brown. Well, I was going to circle back to Charles Brown. All right. But, you know, Back Creek Park only has pickleball. So what we want to do with Charles Brown is we want to bring in different amenities so more than just one demographic can use that park. So we would have a splash pad. We would have a community center. We would have a skate park. We would have a shelter that people could reserve for events. We already have a playground in place. The idea is we want to bring people who can recreate in different ways because that's where parks and recreation is trending.

I need to go out to Charles Brown Park and take a look. I've been a few years. Yeah. Because my last visit out there, I was not overly impressed.

No, it's too old. It needs work.

Can't hear you. Can't hear you.

They've been working on the sidewalks. So if you go down through there, if you'll drive through there, you'll see the sidewalk work coming along. Also, there's a lot of new housing coming in there. And it's one of our neighborhoods that really could use a park for the children there. A lot of them are at home and don't have that park amenity. So we're hoping to turn it into that concept of a community park right in there.

Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Sherry. Thank you, Ben. Thank you, guys. I appreciate it.

I will now move on to citizen comment period. And I have Pam Pucho.

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Thank you. I have no one else signed up. Is there anyone else wishing to speak? Seeing none, I will close the citizen comment period.

I'm sorry, I missed.

Oh, no, I'm so sorry. I understand. He's one of these.

Thank you. All right, I will move on to county attorney reports and requests. No report this evening on mr. Chairman, but I am happy to answer any questions questions for our counselor I will move to County Administrator reports and requests Thank You mr. Chairman I do want I just have one item for you tonight.

I wanted to make sure that the public the general public was aware that on September 26 from 10 to 2 is the seventh annual bug fest and Seventh at Grafton Middle School.

Oh, the kids love it.

Right, they do. There are lots of things going on. The master gardener's there, master naturalist. The extension office is there. A lot to do, a lot of activities, some indoor activities as well. So the kids usually really enjoy it. So make sure if you have some, take them. You sure this isn't a Halloween fest? No. No. Not yet. And also if you have any questions, I'm happy to answer those.

Questions? I'll start down here. Wayne? No? Yeah, Steven?

No one's bugging me. No.

I did have one question, Mark. Seems to be some issues lately with some of our local developers. And I see us extending stop work orders, and I see issues on the most recent project at Eustis and 17. Is there anything we as a county or as a group need to be doing to stay on top of these issues? So I suppose we're we're not Forced to stop work in the field and that we can be better prepared for what's going on Well, I would say that first of all I

public works and planning and development. They work hand in hand on compliance for the developers, making sure they're following stormwater regs and development regs, things like setbacks, make sure that all of that happens. They're really out there protecting the public's best interest and they the code that you all put together to make sure that your county is as good as it can be. So, thanks to them for doing that work. They are being very vigilant. I have to tell you that the most of the comments we get are from residents. They don't typically go out looking for problems. So most of that is driven by complaints from the residents. So I appreciate the work they're doing, the work the residents are doing to keep us all safe. And we just need to keep that up.

All right. Thank you. Thank you. I'll move on to matters presented by the board.

Okay. Yes.

Now I'll ask Sheila.

Since I always have to go first because I'm a lady, I will do that. Today we had a Weisberg Tourism Council and a couple of thoughts from that I thought you might be interested in. First one is the transient occupancy tax is up 3.3% for the year and is more than 6.4% over the last four years. So that's good news. Another thing is that 10,000 rooms have been sold for the first four months of the coming year. That's another good point. Someone mentioned a Hyatt Hotel. And I don't know, is it refurbishing or a new one that's coming?

I'll just take that one. Hyatt Select had a grand opening last week. I believe it was Thursday of last week. 148 rooms, it's on Bypass Road.

Is it brand new or is it an old one that's updated?

It used to be a La Quinta years ago and it has been completely redone, refurbished and it's a gorgeous hotel.

Well, that's great because that's the complaint that we all hear, that we need updated hotels. Ours down in this area are in good shape, but Williamsburg has another problem with it. And they received a report from the Today Show. Remember that the Today Show came to Williamsburg on the third hour, was dedicated to Williamsburg, and so that was May 15th. And they recorded over three million viewers that were reached on that Friday. That's phenomenal. And also, they featured not only Williamsburg, but they featured York County as well as James City County. So at least, think about those people, what did I say, three million people? So they learned a little bit about York County, and that to me was very important. There are lots of plans going on, but as you know, Proof in the pudding is the tasting, and so we'll just have to see how it all works out. But I'm really encouraged with the enthusiasm and the young people who are involved in trying to sell the area and trying to talk to all the different people that they can and through the different medium. So they're spreading the word, and some of their ideas are really good. Especially in the advertising end of it. So I think we're on the upswing and I'm looking forward to what's going to be happening through the end of this year, but especially next year. Thank you.

Tom? Yeah, a couple things. In the Air Force, we used to, as staff members, you would work. You need to work and you work and you work. and you'd just be exhausted, and then the general or somebody come in and try to fire you up again, and you're just too tired to work. In civilian life, they call that kicking a dead horse, right? Well, I'm a guy that's never found a staff member that's too dead to kick, so let me impart something on parks and recs. When I made the comment about the centralization of Charles Brown Park He almost had me convinced that it was out here. What's out this way? What's this way behind me? What's out there? Anybody? Most of us call it the York River. It's called a river, okay? So Charlie Brown's Park is that way, all right? The other part, Charlie's Brown Park is not centrally located. I mean, I had to go dig this up because I knew if I lost my mind, I hadn't been out there that long. So the population of your county, the big hunks of it are down. It's in, uh, with Sheila's district, my district, Steve's district. Okay. Then it stands out a little bit, but it gets bigger up towards Wayne's district. And then his district is up in God's country, uh, as well as remember. So that's what he called it. Yeah. Walt, your buddy, Walt. So my whole point is when we talk about centralization and access, you have to, so if anybody wants to go to this, this park, you're talking about the Charles Brown park. They've got to go up next to the Naval Weapons Station, and that's not close to any of these areas I just mentioned. I was correct in my assessment that if you want people from District 5 and 3 and 4 and 2 to go down there, they've got to figure out where the Naval Weapons Station is, and they can drive out there and find it. So I'm very sensitive to that because access is, uh, we, we built, we built the back because one of the draws there's the keep moms and dads off of 17 when 17 was two lane highway, because they were having to run up and down the road. Uh, and you drop little Johnny off at one baseball field and another one would be at another baseball field. and we were trying to do anything to help reduce the load. I've made my point, so I feel much better now. Thank you. Thank you so much. Now, for the Board of Supervisors, one of the things I do when I represent you guys, represent us, the county, is that there's a couple of, I do a lot of road work. I talk about a lot of roads, a lot of road planning and financing and stuff like that. One of the things that's coming up is a concern and that i hear and you i know you guys are here the condition of roads oh yes my road how you know i thought you i hear about you from what is the airport road in that area up there i get it about uh yorktown road i know steve get here is it about your town road uh wayne i don't know there must be a road up there you're hearing about and in all these roads we we have no control over our control at anything is the influence we have with vdot okay or with the Hampton Roads Transportation Planning Organization or the Hampton Roads Transportation Accountability Commission. What these organizations do, just like we do, is they produce a legislative prioritized list. With that, they get with all of the General Assembly members, which is quite a huge group from Hampton Roads, and they pull them all together down in the regional office in Chesapeake, and they talk about all these programs we have. Secretary of Transportation will come do these things. The governor sometimes shows up, and they get a presentation on what we think's important. So a lot of times, our board meetings do not line up when we have two board meetings. And these regional boards, they only meet like sometimes once a month or once every three months. So the concern I have is for you guys to be able to get the information and at least understand it. and a representative of democracy. You have elected me to serve in those commissions, and so I try to the best of my ability to promote what we think is right. Here's an issue that you've heard me talk about before that may be coming up. Maybe, I can't tell you for a fact that it is. There is a move within Hampton Roads, and that's the 17 jurisdictions, that to promote a three-tenths of a percent addition to the regional sales tax, okay? That's all the jurisdictions. Now, with today, we pay .7%, okay? That .7% is enough money to basically bond about $8 billion worth of projects, of which you see the Hampton Roads Bridge Tunnel, you see the express lanes. For us here on the peninsula, it's the widening of 15 from Lightfoot all the way down into past Chesapeake, and we're swinging back around. We're gonna try to swing it back around. We're going to Bowers Hill, and we're gonna swing around and come up to 664. But we're not gonna generate enough money to be able to widen the, what's the other tunnel? I'm going brain dead here, but the Monitor Miramac. So one of the things all this money is spent on is restricted by the state. We are, we have to, it has to be Congestion focused, so it reduces congestion. It allows for fast, rapid transportation across Hampton Roads. We have visitors that come to want to go to Virginia Beach. They got to get there through from Richmond and from wherever they get there. And that money, we are paying out, we're going to be paying these bonds right now for the projects. All the money is spent out to about 2045. Okay, so there's no extra money there per se. It's just being generated on those major projects. What is not being funded adequately is our primary and secondary road systems. That's the roads, the Victory Boulevard. Route 17 is called the Highway of Significance, so the state does throw more money at that, but it takes a gazillion years for us to get that, and they want to expand that widening all the way down to Newport News. We're going to get a bit of an expansion. It's going to come up towards Fort Eustis Boulevard. So the guys in the state and these regional boards come up with a great idea that if we can increase the tax of 3 tenths of a percent, that's 3 tenths of a percent for the whole 17 jurisdictions, what that will generate is $82 million a year. From that $82 million a year, then what we do is that we fund the paving and reconstruction as necessary of roads. There's no criteria established yet at this time for that, but we don't have the funds that we state does not have the funds to cover the roads. The, they can't cover the, uh, can't cover neighborhood pavings. They can't cover the primary or secondary roads. So I'm just kind of giving you this, this point that this may come up. Okay. And which case right now over the history of what we have done over the years with the, uh, uh, the, the board supervisors, uh, then I've supported that by as, as a representative of the county, what I'd like to hear from you is your thoughts on that. Because if you don't say anything, I'm going to continue to support that. All right. And I'm saying it's bad or good or bad, but we've had this problem, uh, where we've had some, where they want to take the money. and they want to divert it over to Virginia Beach where they would take and do, or Norfolk and do flooding mitigation. Okay, well what's that got to do with transportation? Okay, it's not, it does nothing. And what is his attempt to bring more people into the discussion. So right now, I don't know that that's coming up soon. Hang on, Sheila. So I don't know that it's come up yet, okay? But I know it's coming up soon. There's some discussion, Portsmouth, Newport News, Hampton. cities of James City County Williamsburg They're all been we've all been talking about this So I'm now making it really obvious to you every you guys so we need to establish our position on that Okay, I don't want to just do it by myself But but like I said, we have kind of gone along with this. You need to be made aware of it now I know from the other piece of this that we also have on the ballot for this election This time we have the 1% school tax, but we're asking the people in the county if they want that or not. Okay. So it's, it's, um, you know, this is not a simple thing. These things are not cheap. They're very expensive. Okay. So anyway, I throw that out there for you guys to think about.

May I cut in on this one now?

He's running the meeting, not me. Please, go ahead.

Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. The Commonwealth of Virginia is responsible for the roads. The Commonwealth of Virginia hasn't raised the gasoline tax themselves, and they haven't kept up with it since it was first instituted. The issue is we have a transportation board that is supposed to oversee what goes on. As Tom is talking about it, local areas determine what their needs are and they have to justify it to go back to the state to get funding and also to get federal funding for some of the roads. Unfortunately, as you've noticed, the state of Virginia, the Commonwealth of Virginia, is passing down, like water rolling down the hill, their responsibilities as far as funding things are concerned. And one of the things, of course, as we've talked about, is school funding, but also it's transportation. And for many years, what they've tried to do, it's known as devolution. And devolution is so that localities will take on the responsibility for the roads that they're responsible for. So excuse me if I sound a little frustrated, and I'm sure Tom is as well, because, When you look at the fact that God helps those who help themselves, and what we're doing, we're helping ourselves. And when we added the tax to the gasoline to build the HRBT improvements, that's what we did. And it looks to me like now we're going to have to think about raising the gas tax a tiny bit ourselves. instead of the state doing their job and helping to fund the things that their citizens need, and that's the end of my conversation.

Can I just point out two things for your consideration? Sheila, thank you very much for that. You're right, devolution has been one of the things that the state has been kind of famous for. $8.5 billion that's being raised to fund the projects in Hampton Roads. The projects are only in Hampton Roads. Of that, we pay 96%. We, the 1.9 million citizens of Hampton Roads, we pay that. It's amazing to me that these federal roads, such as the interstate system, which was established by President Eisenhower back in the 50s, started that through Congress. is that these federal programs do not fund these roads, okay? They come in and put a token, only a token amount And generally, when the state pitches in, and it's not very much at all, I'd say not much because it's only like 400 million, you just go, wow, that's a lot of money. Not when you're talking in billions of dollars for these projects. So we are funding this. And the frustration of what caused this is the lack of state willingness to fund the road project. The total budget by the state at VDOT is around $10 billion. $10 billion is their budget. The sad part of that and the tricky part is that half of that $10 billion is the money we spent to build our road system. So in truth, they're only putting like about $5 billion, maybe $6 billion on all the road systems that are provided by the legislature to the Secretary of Transportation, which runs a thing called the Commonwealth Transportation Board, the CTB. And those are the guys that divvy up the money by the state. Right now, their focus is on 81. which is nowhere near us, but we recognize the problem. So we got more tunnels, we got more bridges than anywhere else, and the largest infrastructure project in the history of this state is occurring right here because of the citizens of York County got tired of it, York County, the citizens of the Hampton Roads got tired of it and said, we're gonna have to fix it ourselves, and the state said, yeah, you fix it yourself. So anyway, there we are.

Wayne, your thoughts, microphone please.

uh yeah so a few things um i just wanted to encourage everyone if you haven't gone through the gov series i'm going through it or at least i'm trying i missed last week but uh we're in a third week tomorrow now it'll be the third week of the 10-week class and i really want to encourage people to get involved in that because it really does help you understand what the government does what the county does what each kind each department does what their roles and responsibilities are and i think for me before i got on this board i just lived life in york county you know happy as a pig and poke and didn't think about things like that but once i got seated on this board and got a a mouthful of fire hydrant on government education and government rules and regulations, I got it the hard way. So I would encourage people to educate yourself through the Gov series. We got a pretty big class. Susan, how many is it this time? It's 34 people. So hats off to them. The second thing is I wanted to bring up, because I met with Sheriff Montgomery last week on the flock cameras. I know there's been a ton of comments on social media about how bad the flock cameras are, and some support it and some don't. Well, I spent about an hour with Sheriff Montgomery. and a couple of his staff members. And he showed me exactly how the system works. He showed me exactly how the safety of the system works. And I think the most important thing I took from that is it's gonna only read the license plate on the car. When he showed me pictures, you can't see how many people are in the car. Most of these camera shots are from the back of the vehicle to begin with. And I hear people going, oh my gosh, facial recognition. There's no way you can see a face in that camera. And you can't even see how many people are in the car. So I know there's a big uproar. I think the uproar that I'm seeing is because of misuse with the flock cameras and after he explained to me that you have to have a warrant to get into that system. You can't just walk in the office, the flock office and go, hey, I wanna access to that camera. You have to have a physical warrant before you can access that system. And he has already fired someone for the misuse of it. So I'm very confident that he and his staff are keeping us safe. and not allowing anyone to get in that system that should not be in that system and without a warrant. The other thing, he rattled off all these crimes that have been solved, missing people that have been solved, traffic, kids that have been solved, just list after list after list of things that have been good that the flock cameras in this area have helped. solve crimes and get people back home. I would suggest if you still have a negative view of it, contact Sheriff Montgomery and go up there and sit and let him go over it with you. I think you'll have a different mindset. I know I do now. Again, it's about education. Then I'm just going to follow up as I always do with the businesses. Things are going well. I see Chick-fil-A continues to get busier and busier. I don't know if you go by there, but they continue to get busier and busier. I think it was about three weeks ago they had a challenge to do 450 cars in an hour. And I haven't asked Josh if they hit that 450 or not, but that's a pretty tall order to do. Cookout, I don't know if you've been by lately. Cookout signs are up. There's a lot of painting going on. The paving is almost done. So I suspect they're going to be opening up here pretty quick. QDaddy's going well. I just talked to them the other day and they said business is doing really, really well. They're starting to fire off their catering now that they've kind of got their feet on the ground, so they're really starting to push for their catering in the area. They held off on that so their staff could get used to what needed to be done day to day. Chipotle, that was slow there for a while, but it looks like that's coming along really well now. The interior's being redone, and the outside, it looks like their parking lot, they've got the landscaping down, so hopefully that'll be opening up. And of course, I'm not sure Dutch Bros might even beat Chipotle, because they are rolling along pretty quick. They have their structure up, probably getting ready to do the exterior siding. And I know they're inside doing their thing. And then finally, Tommy's is open. And I don't know if you noticed, but there's competition because the one next door is offering $12 a month car washes. So competition is good. And so we'll see how that all pans out. So that's all I have, Chair.

All right. Yeah, I think I got a couple of things. So reminder, I will not forget. that we're in the middle still of the 2026 hurricane season, starting in June, goes through November 30th, so we're right back in the middle. And for those of you who remember, it was September when Isabel hit us back in 2003, so we're not in the clear yet. So we haven't done so already. Do an internet search on storm preparedness and make sure you've got everything you need to carry yourself through the storm if one should hit. We're looking, according to the forecast, we're looking at about a dozen named storms, half a dozen hurricanes. on either coast so be prepared and if you're going to rely on a generator to give yourself power when the When you don't have any power, if you haven't used it lately, now's the time to roll it out, fire it up, exercise it, make sure it works, because in the middle of a nine-day power outage is not when you want to find out that your generator isn't generating. Second thing, so we heard earlier this evening that early voting starts up soon, starting up on Saturday, and on the ballot are three constitutional amendments. On Friday, thank you. And I am heard a number of people not even aware those amendments are on the ballot. So that's very concerning to me. And if you're not aware that you're on the ballot, that means you're not even aware about the language in the amendment. So I want to take this opportunity to encourage everybody that before you go vote, that you don't rely on just the summary of the amendment, but actually go find the actual language of the amendment, read it word for word, understand what your vote, the impact your vote may bring, depending on how you vote on it, because it is the language, the amended language in each of those proposals that is the legal binding resolution to the Constitution. And updating our state constitution is no small thing, and we're gonna have a chance to do it three times this go around. So again, I encourage you, if you haven't done so already, take the time, look it up, read the actual language, and make an educated vote when you go to the polls. Thank you.

Thank you.

Well, I'm gonna come back on Tom's question. And I went on a limb. I supported a school tax. a referendum on a 1% sales tax. That's where my priority is this year. If you had to ask me do I want roads or do I want schools, choice is obvious. I'll go for schools every time. So if I were asked to do a 0.3% sales tax on roads or a 1% sales tax on school, the choice is very clear, 1% for me. I would not support the 0.3. With that said, I think I had one more update I wanted to give. There's a restaurant up in my area called Casa Pearl, which has been in the news a lot lately, particularly with one of their owners being placed in prison. That business is owned by a large group of partners, and it continues to do well, and it's open, and it continues to serve fantastic food, and I would just say continue to support your local restaurants. Thank you. With that, we'll move to recess. We'll be back at seven. we'll begin the public hearings. First up is application ZT22126 to amend the county zoning ordinance. I'll call on Earl Anderson.

Well hello again. I'm back. I've taken the changes that you all made at the meeting before the last meeting and added them here. So the only thing that's changed in the definitions is we added a section that says that if you're doing this kind of thing it is a taxable real estate property just to make that very clear. that it is a taxable property. We've added language in there that requires the special use permit, the SUP, shortened the words up there. So special use permit for if you want one of these, you have to go through that process. That's a public hearing process before the planning commission and before you as the board. And during that process, you can make any changes up or down you wish to make. So if you wanna increase the ability for somebody to do something or decrease it, that's completely up to you. It's on a case by case basis. That's the great thing about the special use permit process. In that new ordinance, I set requirements for certain areas where you can go. So if you wanted to have one of these, you can have one in the RC, the Resource Conservation Zoning District, the Rural Residential Zoning District. or the R 20 medium density. Um, I didn't include the other residential districts just because they were just very small lots and something like this probably wouldn't be a good use on those. Um, because they're such larger things. I also did minimum acreage. and size requirements in there, just so that there's some standardization in there per your request. So in a RC, which is normally like a five acre property, you have to have at least a minimum acre in that area. And you can have no longer than a 20 foot long cargo containerized cargo unit. RR, 13,000 square feet, about 20, again, that limit of the 20 feet, and then in R20, you have to have half the zoning square footage of the 20,000 square foot requirement, and then you can't go anything above a 10. So just setting these things in there, but again, just reemphasizing it is an SUP process, so if you wanted to allow somebody to have a larger unit or require them to have a smaller unit, you could do that. Additionally, some other changes per your request is it has to be located in the rear of the property behind the principal structure, and it has to be 10 feet from any property line. I've only highlighted the changes that I made in bold, so we added that you can't live in it or sleep in it. It needs to be for the storage of the goods of the principal use. Everything else is the same as what was in there before. The only thing we didn't change is what I highlighted in bold. And the last phrase is still the same. We added that section H, which is the requirement that the allowance that gives you, the board, the opportunity to raise or lower the standards depending on the actual application that you get. I'm happy to take any questions you have also. I have a question.

Yes, ma'am.

How did the planning commission

So at the last meeting we talked about that, it was they recommended denial of the previous ordinance that you have, but they have not seen this with the new changes.

Is this going to go back to them before we vote on it?

We were not going to take it back to them because it was changed by you all.

Was that a unanimous vote on their part? It was, yes. Thank you.

You're welcome.

I don't remember a time we've ever taken one back.

Yeah, a few questions. The definition, I want to make sure I understand this. I'm talking about modification. So containerized cargo unit modified in a manner that would preclude future use by commercial transportation entities should be considered a cargo, freight, or shipping container for the purposes of this definition. So I'm assuming you're talking about... My takeaway from there is they get a container, they cut out a window, they cut out a door, now it can never be used as a shipping container again. Is that what you're talking to there?

Usually, because we're going to require this to be on a permanent foundation, they're taking off any of the structure that would, you know, allow it to be used as a containerized cargo shed at that point. Okay.

And then the second part of that, except that any container that is modified according to the terms and requirements of a building permit shall, after such modification, be considered a building. That language just kind of confuses me. So what's the gist of that?

That is just to be very clear that it will require a building permit for the use no matter the size because there are certain sizes where your building permits are required above like 256 square feet. But we just wanted to make sure that if you're doing one of these that, you know, because you're putting it on a permanent foundation, we want to make sure it has proper inspections and that we're considering a structure.

All right. How does that compare to one of these prebuilt sheds you can get today? Do you need the same building permit for that?

If if it's under 256 square feet, you do not need a building permit. Okay.

All right. So if this has so all these are going to have to have a building permit. And does that mean the building permit they have to be maintained in a in a manner that in which they get to a point that deteriorate too much, they can be condemned by the county and have to be.

If they're considered an unsafe structure. Correct.

Okay. All right. Other question, so you categorize them RCR or R20, why not R33 since that's kind of R20 but for farming, right?

R33 is the zoning district we put in York Point and that's the only place where 33 is at. Yeah, R33 is in York Point, it's very small lots. We made that district when we down zoned Seaford area.

Okay. What if somebody puts one up and wants to use it for a chicken coop or livestock, is that? That was my question. Okay, well, I'll let you now leave.

I mean, if they want to use it at all, they would fall under these standards, and they would come to you for a special use permit request. All right.

What about a vacant lot? If somebody wants to put one there for whatever reason? Is that allowable with this ordinance? I think so, because it had to be tied to the principal use, but there's no building, there's no home there, so there's no principal use, so you can't, okay, that's what I thought. So that precludes that. Okay, thank you. You're welcome.

Doug, let me just say, I don't have any questions. I just appreciate you going back and doing what we ask you to do and add to this to make it a better policy ordinance. Thank you.

You're welcome, sir. Anytime. Doug, any questions for Earl?

Yeah, I'd like to know. I don't remember a time when we've actually sent a package back to the Planning Commission after we've done this kind of thing. To me, this whole concept of using these things, it sounds It doesn't sound too, I just don't like it, okay? But I'm willing to look at this. I would like for this one to go back to the Planning Commission. just to get, because we're dealing, we're dealing with some immediate action here. Oh my gosh, gotta have this thing right now. Because this is a, this to me is kind of a different approach to development. I mean, we've got little brown sheds and little plastic sheds you can get at different stores, and we put them almost anywhere, okay? You can move them around anywhere you want on your lot. But now we're talking these things that were principally built to transport products. okay, across the ocean or something like that, or on a train. And maybe we can turn them into tiny homes in some places. In fact, they're even bigger than tiny homes, but I just feel really uncomfortable with what we're doing here, okay, without more input from the public. Now, this one person wrote us, and I thought he said he was zoned R-13. I don't know if somebody got that. And you would think, oh my gosh, how are you gonna get a 20 foot or a 40 foot container onto R13? But he says he lives on two acres. that they didn't want their property zoned R13 in the first place, and now he's on two acres, having to live with a zoning that doesn't fit this shed criteria, but if he was two acres, he could, right?

Well, he would have the opportunity to come to you, and then you, as the board, can decide if you want to allow it to be an R13 or not.

We could rezone it?

No, not rezone it, but you could consider it as a special use permit.

OK, let's do some clarification then. So under the zoning there, sometimes if we don't have it in our zoning where it states that you could do this, we can't just arbitrarily do it.

But if you wanted to add R13 in there, that would not be a problem.

That's what I'm talking about. I'm sorry? If we don't do that, we just can't arbitrarily at a board meeting change the zoning ordinance because you would have, or the code, because you would have to go back to the Planning Commission to do that, right?

Well, H says at your discretion you may raise or lower the standards for this special use permit process. So if someone comes to you with an application in R13 and you, you know, they've got two acres and you're like, I don't have any problems with this, then you could consider it. I mean, the ordinance does establish that there are certain areas where it could be and where we've done limitations, but each gives you that opportunity.

Earl, we fixed it as best we could as supervisors up here, okay? Yes, sir. I just personally would like for it to go to me. I would feel more comfortable if it went back to our planning commission that looks at land use, and that's their job, okay? They're volunteering to do that and get more input. I'd just like their feedback on what we've done. So that's my comment to the board.

Earl, I had two questions. I mean, chicken coops was one of the obvious questions, and dog cattle was the other. What stops it from being converted to either of those uses?

I mean, they would have to come in for the special use permit to use it as an accessory structure on the property. I think that would be the only way.

Yeah, but once it's in place and then they convert it, I don't think there's any way I can control it.

So you're saying if you approve a special use permit for one of these... As a shed, and now suddenly it's being used as a dog kennel. I mean, the SUP conditions would track what is allowed for, and if we say it's only allowed for like what we say here, which is...

It says no human occupancy.

Well, it says anyone to live or sleep, but it also says for the storage of goods or materials, and a dog or a chicken is not a good or material, I would think. It could be.

That's a good twist. That's a good twist on that one.

I guess everything is up for interpretation.

That is correct.

But I mean, the conditions and the use permit could state, I mean, we could also add text in here that it could be no animals too. I mean, I can add whatever you want in the zoning ordinance, which you think might be controlling of it.

I think at this point, do you have a question for her?

I do. My question is, for example, once it's installed, who's going to inspect to make sure that it's going along with the requirements? Who knows what's going to happen to it after it's been there two or three years? Because we don't go back and check.

No, we do. We do annually.

Unless somebody complains to me.

No, every year we go and inspect every special use permit that you've approved. Okay. Annually, one of our zoning inspectors goes and visits each site.

How often does he inspect it? Annually. Every year.

Every year they go out and do that.

And suppose it has been used differently, would it have to be removed?

The inspector would give them a notice of violation and they'd either have to come into compliance or we would, you know, go through the process to get them to remove it.

I don't want to.

Or revoking their SUP.

Thank you. You're welcome.

All right, at this point, I'd like to open the public hearing. I'll call on citizens who wish to speak, and I've got several signed up, so I'll start with Christopher Booth. Please state your name, address, and you have three minutes.

Thank you. Good evening, Mr. Chairman and members of the Board. My name is Christopher Booth, and I live at 411 Musket Drive in Williamsburg, here in York County. My wife and I recently relocated to the area from the US Virgin Islands with our two young children. When we moved, we transported our household belongings in our shipping container. Rather than letting this durable, high quality asset go to waste, our goal is to repurpose it as a permanent tool and garden shed to help maintain and expand the beautification of our property. I'm speaking tonight in full support of ordinance 2616. I understand the planning commission and some neighbors. have expressed valid concerns regarding the aesthetics of these units in residential zones. However, the strict guidelines outlined in this amendment requiring a permanent foundation, a limit of one unit, and proper screening give the county the exact tools it needs to ensure these structures are handled responsibly. In our case, we fully intend to go above and beyond the baseline rules. Our container will be set far back, completely off the main road, will be secured onto a permanent platform professionally painted to blend in with the environment and fully enclosed by privacy fencing and landscaping to ensure its obstructed view from public. Allowing these units provides families like mine a structurally superior weather resistant and sustainable storage solution. With the right regulations which this amendment provides, shipping containers can easily be integrated into residential properties without disrupting the character of our neighborhoods. I respectfully urge the board to approve the text amendment tonight. Thank you for your time and considering our perspective.

Thank you. Number two, I have Pam Pusho.

Pam Puchon 103 Kimberly Court District 4. I spoke against this at the last meeting. I have still some issues. These are commercial structures and unless they're totally modified they will look like commercial structures. And you talk about having to screen them. Well you don't screen something that is beautiful. You have to hide it because it's not acceptable. Now fences, generally speaking, go six feet high. These go eight feet high. If you want to have plants around them to screen them, nobody's putting up an eight-foot plant. They have to take years to get that tall. So somebody's going to get stuck looking at these things for quite a while before you actually hide them. And what happens when they start rusting? If you don't maintain them, Rusting in of itself does not mean it is not structurally sound. It just means it's darn right ugly. And I don't know that you can make any ordinances that would cover that. And last thing, Wayne, Gov Series is Thursday, not tomorrow night.

Oh, sorry.

Sorry about that.

I'm one night behind. Thank you. Third speakers and Gregorian.

ANGRA gray and 117 Baldrick place. I would encourage the board to agree with the Planning Commission and vote no on this ordinance. It's an unforced error for York County. It puts several people that live in residential areas such as our 20. I live at the end of a cul-de-sac. I have five backyard neighbors and then I have neighbors with their side yard is my front yard. All of that going on. And then you add in these storage containers. If you're going to approve it. I hope that you will reconsider the screening aspect of allowing evergreens. They do take a long time to grow. They get fire, blight, and die. They're not permanent screening by any means for the vegetation. So another modification I would hope that you would make is to remove the allowance of just evergreens as a screening for these units. Thank you.

That is all the citizens I have signed up. Is there anyone else wishing to speak on this matter? Seeing none, I'll close the public hearing. Board discussion, please.

You're still of the mind that this is a trash heap of- To me, it's like opening Pandora's box. I worry about something like this. For the first time, I've had people actually call and thank me for the vote against it.

and that was unusual for me so i have to think about that i think you know the uh i think we did a good job uh trying to you know it's like pouring perfume on a pig okay still a pig right and i'm i'm sitting here i In my younger life, I remember seeing these things out in various places. And they just don't look that good. They just don't look that good. And so we can try to make this thing We can put all these parameters on it, but I feel really uncomfortable accepting this as taking a, to repurpose something that's designed for something else like this for the building. I don't have a real good argument to say no, but I sure don't have a good argument to say yes, okay? So that's why I want, I'd like to get more input from other people than just us five. Anyway, that's my point.

Wayne, we'll start with you. I've thought about it a lot and I've seen pictures of some of them and they look just like or better than sheds. People fix them up and These things can last 50, 60, 70 years. There's not too many sheds out there that are gonna last that kind of time, and if you ride through York County, There's dilapidated sheds. They're falling apart. We're not talking about that here. We're talking about a metal box that could last 50, 60 years. And if it's kept up, it could last even longer than that. And I'd rather have something I know is going to last 50 or 60 years than a shed that could last maybe 20 at best, unless you really keep it up. And I think we've done a very good job on the planning team. zoning team over here, we asked them to go back and massage it. We all had input on that. They came back and did exactly what we asked them to do. So to me, going back to the planning commission, doesn't make any sense because we all kind of agreed if we could get these things massaged out and we could put parameters around size, space, what it would look like, the fencing, all that, they've come back and they've done that. But the caveat of all of this, it's an SUP. We get to decide. It's not something somebody can come up here by right and go, I'm gonna go throw a connex box on my yard at any size, anywhere I want. We've asked them to make it a SUP, so every single one of them, and I don't think you're gonna have 50, 60, 70, 80 of these things like you have sheds. I think you're gonna have a handful come to this board and we're gonna look at it and go, yeah, I like it, or no, have you considered this, or no. We get to choose. The five of us get to choose. And I think it's an opportunity for people to come, present their possibility, their container to the board, and then we get to choose. If we don't like it, we say no. If we do like it, we push forward, just like we do with every other SUP. We have that option. If we didn't have the SUP, I would say no. But we have the option. And we get the vote on every SUP that comes before us. So I'm a vote yes. I can just tell you that because I do not see it detrimental to the county. If they do it right and if they don't, Earl said they're inspected every year and we can shut it down and make them pull it off the property. What more do we want? At some point you can't squeeze any more blood out of a turnip. That's my opinion.

All right, so my perspective on this is when you take a look at the breadth of York County and the amount of rural acreage that we have in here to say that there is no place in the county of proper property that you can put storage container like what we're talking about here on it and not have it fit in doesn't make a lot of sense you got people with two acres five acres and so forth wooden lots they can go on you'll never see them again and i and i certainly see the utility of having a container like that for example mr shepherd this particular one that you we were talking about earlier that is zone r13 but it's actually just over That lot's actually just over two acres. Most of it's wooded. It backs up to another five acre lot that is mostly wooded. So I don't know how in good conscience I could go to that homeowner and say, yeah, you can't have one there because it doesn't fit. I would think it would fit there. very well. So to have a blanket statement and apply to the lowest common denominator and just say no across the county doesn't make sense. And that's why we asked for this to be taken back and looked at a little bit more scrutiny to put some controls in place and guardrails, especially the SUP process, so that we could give the public an opportunity and property owners the opportunity to say, Hey, yes, I want this and let people decide whether it's a good fit there or not. When this first came out, when this first came up, my impression was, well, by the time a company releases a storage, a cargo container to private individuals, it's probably pretty well beat up and it's in of its useful service life. But after I did some research on it, kind of find out that's not the case at all. And in fact, these are often talked to go 30 or 40 years past its commercial lifespan. which exceeds what I'm probably gonna get out of my shed. My shed on my property right now is a 12 by 12 unit, which is smaller than the 10 foot footprint that we're talking about in an R20 area. So it has less of an impact than what my existing shed has, and it's probably gonna last longer. Not that I'm looking to get one on my property, because that whole, a lot of logistics involved there, but I can certainly see the utility. Now I do see some value, because I've gotten some feedback from other folks as well about the screening, Is evergreen the right choice? The time it takes for evergreens to come back up? What if they die away and so forth? So I do see some value of taking it back to the Planning Commission who are more focused on land use type questions and ask them to assess that for us, give us some feedback on that. But again, to say that there's no place in the county one will fit doesn't make a lot of sense. So I want that opportunity for property owners to be able to use their property in a manner they choose. and give the public through the SUP process a chance to chime in on the conversation. So that's where I'm in on it.

I guess from where I standpoint, my standpoint, I'm following the Planning Commission lead. I don't feel that this is something that we necessarily want in the county. I don't like the idea of having to bring every decision back as an SUP. I mean, I've seen that on Airbnbs. And I can see the difficulty we have on some of those decisions. I just don't want to be repeating that for something like a connex box. I don't see a huge value in it. There might be one or two of them needed in the county. But I would not put regulations in place. I said that we should look at it. I asked Earl and his team to go back and look at that. I've not seen convincing argument that we should have it. And I have the concerns that it gets misused. that it becomes a dog kennel, that it becomes a chicken coop. I'm not going to subject neighbors to that possibility. I think this, for me, is clear cut. I've not seen enough changes or strength in the ordinance for me to accept it. Now, Tom, you had asked, should we recycle it? The Planning Commission was very clear, 5-0 vote. And they said, why is it even coming to us? I mean, if you watched their presentation, they were, why is the board stupid enough to do this, was basically the question that came out of the Planning Commission. Nick's at the back of the room smiling at me.

I've got it right. But remember, it came to the Planning Commission before these changes. Yeah. What came to the Planning Commission was just blanket by right.

The changes are slight. The changes are slight.

But being SEP is not slight. That adds weight and gravity to it. That's a huge deal.

Huge deal. Do we want to be up here spending our time discussing connex boxes? That's the question.

This may be where we learn the lessons that we learned with tourist homes. We got to the point where, in fact, even before tourist homes, we had the case of what we called mother-in-law suites. Then, oh my gosh, every one of them had to come in front of us. Finally, they got into routine. We figured out what's going on. And then we don't see them anymore, really. And this may be one of those. Like I said, man, I'm kind of in between. I was, God, I was raised on a farm, all right? And I've seen some stuff in the farms that not, you can raise pigs and cows and everything and anything, but I mean, you know, farmers get out there and they're more practical. They build stuff, they use whatever they've got. I mean, gosh, farmers are marvels at reusing stuff. And a farmer would go, oh my gosh, this is a barn, okay, or I can use this. Now, I'm kind of a little tainted by my experience in life in doing that. As you were talking about driving around the county, there's a couple of barns I'm looking at, old sheds are just falling apart and they're ugly as hell. They're really ugly, but they're right out in broad daylight there. Here's these prefabs that people put together. By the way, I have... I have a shed that will probably be here 100 years, made out of concrete. So anyway, I know you can do this. I like the idea of giving people a chance to use a property the way they want to use it. But I just need more. I just would really, really like to hear it from the Planning Commission, because we did. To me, these are significant changes that we made. And we tuned it. This is not what they looked at. Now, if they come back and they're just dead set against it, I'm probably going to vote against it. But this is a chance for them, with our input, they're going to go back. They've heard our discussions. And I'd just like for them to come give us. It's not going to kill us to do this.

that's my point getting a little more input from the citizens a little more especially our Planning Commission that's how I feel so counselor how would we do that so probably if you're if the preference was for the board to it's not a new app it wouldn't be a new application it wouldn't be something just send it back to the Planning Commission to have them present their views of the changed ordinance. So I would recommend continuing the public hearing to a date to be determined and then asking as part of the motion for the Planning Commission to review it and present their views. That's something they can do.

You're satisfied with that approach?

I'm good with it. I'd like to especially have them give us some feedback, their expertise on the screening perspective of it. Because we've heard some feedback on it. I've heard feedback elsewhere, but that being a concern.

And you know, I'm trying to think back to a time when the Planning Commission unanimously came out against something, even though they've made corrections on this at your request. And so I would feel very, very uncomfortable voting for something that they've turned down. I think it's a good idea to send it back to the Planning Commission and we'll see how they accept it. But I do look at this and I think, what are we trying to do? Actually, it's a residential area. I just think it's not necessarily appropriate.

And I live in an R-20 area as well, but within walk of distance, I can walk to properties where you could put a 20-foot container, and it would just disappear on that property. And again, to go back to say there's no place anywhere in York County you can put one, I just can't buy that.

I don't think that if we... I would not want to spend any more time, to be honest with you, on debating some of that because it's all valid. I mean, all the comments or concerns are valid. In the end, it's going to be, you know, we get more input, just a little more input on this. In fact, if the Planning Commission wanted to add some more recommendations to that that would be valid for us because we got we kept this thing open and we can make more changes but i just you know this is one of these i don't want to be coming back 100 times with all these things but the same token this is uh this is something that i just kind of i'm feeling i'm i to me it's just i got a gut feeling this could be an issue so i just want to go back and get more input that's all

Mr. Shepard, could you raise a motion?

I would make a motion that we table this and resend it back to the Planning Commission, too. I would say the Planning Commission meets once a month. So I think the staff has done the work. So there's not a big load here for you. Take it back. Talk about it to Planning Commission. So let's do it. Just do it 30 days. We can come back in the next to see what this is, September to October.

We should put it on the October Planning Commission.

I was going to say, I would recommend that you actually continue to a date certain so December maybe well it doesn't have to be a it doesn't have to be a public hearing we don't have a meeting do we have a meeting we have one meeting in November do we have two one one okay we can we should be able to get it back to the you by your public hearing date in November so November what

I'll take it to the Planning Commission in October, get their opinion, then we'll bring it back to you on November 17th.

Okay, so motion is to move the table and have it brought back to us on November 17th. Motion is to continue.

Continue. Continue the meeting.

Or the public hearing. The public hearing. I don't see a problem with the public hearing. Continue the public hearing and then send it back to November the, come back to us in November 17th after review by the Planning Commission. Roll call.

The motion made by Mr. Shepherd is to continue proposed ordinance 2616 to the November 17th Board of Supervisors meeting and return it to the Planning Commission. Mrs. Noll? Yes. Mr. Drury? Yes. Mr. Rohn? Yes. Mr. Shepherd? Yes. Mr. Holroyd?

Yes.

Motion carried.

Mr. Chairman, could we ask that the motion reflect not return it to the Planning Commission, but refer it to the Planning Commission for their views. TODD BANDUCCI.

For review.

TODD BANDUCCI. Yeah. TODD BANDUCCI.

Make the motion that way. TODD BANDUCCI.

As a procedural matter, because that way, if it's returned, it might have some legal significance. So it would be better if it's referred to the Planning Commission. TODD BANDUCCI.

For review. TODD BANDUCCI.

For review. TODD BANDUCCI.

What he said.

Whatever.

Okay, the next up is application UP1074-26. It's MDC Enterprises LLC.

Well, we all scored away on that. Yeah, the vote was. Okay, okay.

And I call on Madison Sheff to present the application.

Good evening. Well, good evening, Mr. Chair, Mr. Vice chair, other members of the board, Mr. Bellamy, Mr. Hill. So tonight I have an application for you submitted by MDC enterprises, LLC. Uh, this is a request to authorize a special use permit to establish a towing service slash auto storage and impound yard. on two parcels totaling 1.1 acres located at 126 and 128 Production Drive. The subject site is in the Bethel Industrial Park area off Route 17. The site consists of two parcels, each containing a multi-tenant commercial building with bay doors. North of the site is York Manor Subdivision, a high density single family residential neighborhood zoned R13, The Route 17 corridor with general business zoning and parcel zoned economic opportunity are nearby. Directly adjacent to the business includes a car dealer to the west, a home theater store and home goods store to the east, and two construction companies in a warehouse directly across production drive, all zoned limited industrial. The applicant is seeking authorization to allow potential tenants to conduct towing services and vehicle storage. The subject towing service will consist of approximately a 1500 square foot office in the end unit of the multi-tenant building with an approximately 8,000 square foot gravel surfaced auto storage yard that will be completely enclosed by an eight foot opaque fence with an entry gate. Here are some recent photos of the site taken in late August to show where the storage will be. And here are photo renderings submitted by the applicant to showcase what that security entry gate would look like. The requested use would provide for potential towing services for the state and local police department's towing rotations. Per the applicant's submission materials, the hours of operation will be from 8 a.m. to 5 p.m., and potential lessees will need to abide by the applicant's lease agreement. So the comprehensive plan designates these parcels for limited industrial uses. So therefore this application abides by the vision plan for this area. The current surrounding uses are also limited industrial and commercial in nature, and thus adding the new use will not change the surrounding character for performance standards and conditions of approval. The use will need to abide by the motor vehicle and transportation related uses in the code. A new business license will be required that includes the towing and storage services. And there are multiple storage limitations. So the first is limiting the storage to the area shown on the submitted sketch plan. Vehicles that are operable cannot be stored for more than 90 days. Vehicles that are considered inoperable can be stored for no more than 30 days and only five can be on the lot at a time. And lastly there can be no stacking of vehicles or storage within the landscape yard. So continuing those conditions, um, the performance standards, uh, don't allow for any portion of the property to be used as an automobile graveyard or junkyard for screening for the residential property. Uh, transitional buffer buffer will be required alongside the inner back portion of the perimeter fence with evergreen plantings, um, that have full branching to the ground and spaced five feet apart. These plantings are mainly for noise canceling. If any new outdoor lighting is proposed, an electrical permit will be required. An eight foot high opaque fence and security gate is required to be installed in between the two buildings and the proposed services will need to abide by the towing section of the code. Lastly, multiple safety requirements are conditioned by the York County fire department. As for traffic concerns, uh, staff concluded that additional traffic generated by the towing business would be minimal. and the operation would be less intensive than the automotive repair business that was currently there. So the existing parking spaces along the front and side of the buildings are appropriate to accommodate this new business and customers as well as the current tenants. So in summary The applicant is seeking authorization to operate a towing service vehicle storage and impound yard with office space. The proposed use is consistent with the comprehensive plan and a relatively low intensity use that would be compatible with the onsite and adjacent commercial slash industrial uses. The impound yard will be in the back portion of the parcel and proposed conditions require visual and noise screening from the adjacent residential properties. Additionally, conditions have been proposed to ensure safe operable conditions and desirable storage implementation. So the planning commission voted to recommend approval at the August public hearing meeting five to zero. And therefore staff is recommending approval of the application subject to the conditions outlined and proposed resolution are 26 dash one 40. Thank you for your attention. I'm happy to answer any questions you have. The applicant is also here.

Thank you, Madison.

Questions? My only question would be, is the lighting that's going to be provided, is it down lighting so it doesn't affect the property behind it?

Yeah, it's the same lighting that's been there since 1983 when the buildings were built. It's, it's the same lighting that's been there since 1983. So there's no, yeah, it's all Ellie. I did upgrade it to led lighting, but yeah, there's no fancy lighting back there. It's just an offset. No, you know, you can see when you're walking around.

Any other questions for medicine?

Yeah. Couple questions is, is this towing company already on the sheriff's rotation or is it a brand new tone company?

Um,

They're two existing towing companies that have yards elsewhere, and this is like a second or third location for the two or three guys that I've been talking to. Okay. So it's not a one-truck operation, and they want to get on, and I guess the rule is they have to have a York County address in order to get on that. Rotation, so it's smart for them to get. And there's like 40 Newport News towing companies and like 15 in York County, so I feel like it's a positive thing to have more options for York County residents.

And the, it looks like there's some existing businesses in those buildings.

Wurly's is not there. I know there's some confusion. We moved the rips building out on 17. So it's just small as a painting company, a carpet company. Um, a, uh, a workout gym is, is there. And then I run my always be branding, um, uh, mastermind and, uh, the front of one 26.

Okay. So those, those are still with us. This is being addition to. They are. Okay.

And there's plenty of, of parking now that Bendel's not there anymore. There's actually a lot of parking there.

I just like the idea of more business, not swapping.

Yeah, no, it definitely gives us options for more people.

All right, thank you. Wayne, any questions? No. Thanks, Madison. So at this point, I'll call on the applicant. Do you have any further questions?

input for the board yeah i she did a great job i don't feel like i really can add to anything she's worked very diligent with me for three or four months to get all this paperwork in because i suck at paperwork so she's done a great job helping me set this up so um yeah i'd the biggest thing i'd bring to people's attention and i have talked to every residential um homeowner that was behind us there's four houses that actually touch the back of the building And their biggest concern was time when towing is going to be there. Bendel's been there for almost 15 years. It's an auto repair shop. He started out in 1,250 square foot, took over a 5,000 square foot building over the last 15 years. And he had six cars towed there on Sunday, and I had asked the lady that had called me, one of the residential, and she goes, well, when are they gonna be towing? I said, were you home Sunday? She goes, yeah, I was home working in the yard all day. I said, well, there were six cars towed there on Sunday. Did you hear him?

He's like, I have no more questions.

So, I mean, so it's not, I feel like the change of use, yes, at the towing yard, it's not really changing, because we have stuff towed there every day. You know, I mean, Bendel, I mean, he filled my, I mean, he had 60 cars. We're always fighting about parking, you know, because he's taken over the whole place. But now that he's gone, I feel like there'll be less. And I don't know if you all had time to read, but my rules are stricter than yours. I mean, there's fines for parking.

I removed your rules.

Yeah. So they did not read them.

I did not need 30 additional pages, sorry.

I have been an abused landlord by a car guy. They cannot park outside of the designated areas. I've got fines in place. You can't park in other people's spots. I'm going to have dedicated spots for each person that's there, the other renters, so I won't have the over abuse of the landlord like the last guy. Anyway, that's it.

I should have opened the public hearing. I didn't. I'll now call on any citizens who wish to speak. Seeing none, I'll close the public hearing. Any board discussion?

This looks pretty straightforward. I think so. Motion?

Resolution R26-140.

I move it. Roll call, please.

The motion made by Mrs. Null is to approve proposed resolution 26-140. Mr. Drury? Yes. Mr. Rohn? Yes. Mr. Shepherd? Yes. Mr. Holroyd? Yes. Mrs. Null? Yes. Motion carried.

And I expected Chuck in green and orange today, and he did. He disappointed me. I'm glad he did. Thank you. We'll move on to the... consent calendar number of items to read so approval of minutes from July 21 and August 4 revenue stabilization fund transfer to York County School Division's operating and capital funds number seven is comprehensive parks and recreation plan number eight is formal structure for head start program governance number nine is appointments to the head start policy council Number 10 is employee of the quarter, fourth quarter 2026, which is Haven Gardner. Number 11 is request for refund of real estate taxes from disabled veterans. And number 12 is Cisco Smart Net Support. Do you have any of these items that the board would care to review?

Yeah, number, the one on refunds.

Number 11? Number 11, and I'd also like to review number six.

Six, yeah. I'd like to get a review on six.

Call on probably Susan on number six. I think the issue here, Susan, is this was a state funding, Title I funding that was provided for special ed, and it's been pulled this year, and we'd kind of like to understand that in more clarity, and how do we make sure that we get back, or can we even reapply for it this year?

We cannot reapply for it this year. So this notification came to the schools in April, At the time they had fallen, there's an eligibility criteria where they look at what percent of the school population meets a certain poverty threshold. They fell below 5%, 4.9, very close. And so it only took away a portion of the Title I money. They still get Title I funds for other programs, but this particular portion was reduced. They were hoping they could make that up in the budget, Once they found out the final outcome of the state budget, they were unable to do so. It represents about four reading specialist salaries, so what they would like to do is use the revenue stabilization one time for that. They think that they're gonna pierce that threshold next year. It was so close that the funds will be restored, but if not, they will include that in their regular operating budget and not use revenue stabilization again.

So they can't reduce the number of schools from five to three, for instance, and reapply?

No, because it's based on the application that shows the income levels of the families.

Okay. Any further questions on that one?

No, I think that's fine.

Okay.

Number 11 is a request for a refund of real estate.

So a question on that one. For the public, make sure people understand this. So veterans, and I think this applies only to veterans in the military, right? Yes. Okay, it's not for our firefighters or our police, okay. And they have to be 100% disabled with a certification from the VA, is that correct?

That's correct.

Okay. This application here was for a refund in the amount of 12,000, a little over $12,000, okay. On a yearly basis, these refunds, how much does it amount to for the county?

In 2026, 6.5 million. $25 million, okay. 6.5.

In 2026, calendar year 2026. 6.5 now. 6.5 million.

And what was it in 25? 5.1. Okay, so it's going up. Big time. In 2022, it was 2.5 million, just for perspective.

It went from 2.5... Five years ago. And now it's at 6.5. Yes, sir. We honor our veterans in this country. We're very appreciative of their sacrifices, and we get... A lot of people get hurt in the military, not necessarily in combat, but just some of the environments they're put into. Some of the places they go to are not very clean. Some of the air they breathe is contaminated beyond belief. And in the long term, what we see, veterans suffer from these conditions. And the most famous one is Agent Orange. from Vietnam, where even people in the ships were being poisoned because of the wind blowing stuff over there. And it's a defoliant that was used to basically kill plants and trees. And by the way, it was used also in the 1920s and 30s to defoliate forests in the United States. So we've known about this a long time. What we did not realize is that these agents and diseases that people pick up don't immediately manifest themselves, and so they end up later on with brain cancer, with kidney cancer, with liver cancer, with bladder cancer. They have to have all kinds of surgeries and whatnot. So it's a major sacrifice that people that defend our country and our military service, and we really honor that. And there's no buts about that. We've decided that this is some small benefit that we can provide to them. But what happens here, and we need to understand is a cause and effect that hits not only our veterans, but it hits all of our population, is that we end up paying for this. And we pay for it because the taxes that we don't collect and we need for our government have to be collected somewhere else. So the rest of the burden for that comes on to the rest of us. So it's to, although it's a thing that we are doing for our veterans, which deserve this, But putting our citizens, our military members, in harm's way is not just a simple matter of that person's life and the quality of life and the medical conditions. We end up paying for this. All of us pay for it. And this is all over Virginia. And I just wanted to make sure that people understand that this is a cost for us, and we're doing our share. Virginia and California, particularly California, are two states that really have a tremendous number of military personnel. And 85% of our military in our area here is Navy. But we have Army and Marines. And we also have the Coast Guard that are called up on the editorial duty. Who did I miss? But the point is that these things cost. It costs us, okay? and we all make our sacrifices for this. All right, thank you very much. That was the point I wanted to make.

Thank you. And a very valid point, and I thank you. I had one other comment to make on this one. So when I read this, it's a refund of real estate taxes, but these disabled veterans are also entitled to personal property tax rebates. And I guess the question I would ask is, should it not be included in the same resolution? Because for me to approve a resolution that only covers the personal property tax, but then you don't include the amount that you're giving as a rebate on vehicles, I think is kind of playing a shell game here. I think it should be one resolution, one total, and we approve it. And I'm a little bit surprised that we're not combining the numbers and showing the total.

I suspect.

That it doesn't cover the personal property tax.

I suspect that this is very specific to that tax. Right. Okay. As opposed to a broader tax. I'd like to hear from our counselor, please.

This particular application is real estate only.

Yeah, that's what I thought. Very specific to that tax.

Four years of real estate taxes approximately. Well, three years of full rebate and one first half for 2026. And it equals out to... 12,128 so it's real estate only was the request that was submitted from the Commissioner of Revenue receives the request and processes them through the treasurer and then they come in and if it's over the threshold for approval it comes to the board for the for approval I'd like to make sure that we are

Correctly looking at it in the future so that if we get an application like this which is backdated obviously somebody who has gotten recently approved for disability that we would be looking at the total and not just the Real estate because I think we as a board have to approve the total not not an individual about

I mean, there may not have been a request for a...

I'd like that as I go forward to be combined if there is such an issue. For me, it's a shell game, and I don't want to be seen as approving only a piece of it, and the other one doesn't need approval. But isn't this all request driven?

It is, and the statute requires only approval over $10,000, and it's unlikely that the personal property is going to exceed that amount.

I agree, but the total of the two may. That's how the code is written. That's what I'm getting at. You're being asked to approve when it goes past $10,000.

Well, yeah, I understand that. But a lot of times, explain this. This is a very specific code to the real estate tax. This is not covering personal property tax, right?

The request is for real estate taxes. The code requires approval for rebates over $10,000 for both. but this one does not, it wasn't a request for the personal property.

Are you thinking that it should be?

I don't want to hold it up. I'm not suggesting you hold it.

No, you're not, but are you thinking about that as part of our legislative proposal?

I'm suggesting that the total should come to us of what we're rebating.

Okay, well then maybe that's a request for our legislative package.

I think it's a request for our commissioner of revenue.

But I think the answer, you've got it right here.

I don't.

I only have the property.

Yes.

So do you want to change the procedure so that we also approve below $10,000 to accommodate the personal property?

No, I want the total to come forward when it reaches $10,000. Well, how do we know this isn't the total? This is just the total for property. But that was all that was requested. I don't know that. Well, again, how do we know? The only person who would know is Commissioner Redman. I'm suggesting that we need to see the total.

It has to be the state.

So maybe the request is... Not so much what we approve, but what we get notified about. Correct. So maybe that's a feedback to the Commissioner of Revenue's office to give us a report or something, some readout on the disbursements so that we're aware of everything going one way. That'd be fine. Okay.

But I think the rebate of the personal property tax is a state issue, and it would have to come from them.

No, it's not. Specifically. It's local.

What?

It's local.

The amount of it is local, but I thought it came from the state.

No, the state is not. This is an unfunded mandate. The state has not done that.

Well, we get some money from the state as it is.

For this, we don't. The issue here, for anything, it gives the veteran more money. But the point is, I don't know, and I think this clarification, what I'm asking is that the code here is a very specific code, down to 32.9.5 or something like that. It's very specific. So the state gives us authority to do certain things. Does it give us authority to combine the two? Does it do that, or is it, I mean, that's, and if he doesn't apply for it, he or she, they don't apply for it, we can't just give them the money. They gotta apply for it. So we can ask the Commission of Revenue, and I think Steve's correct, it's just they didn't give us the information. Maybe add another $1,000 to it, but trouble is, we're not gonna be able to prove that. I don't think we're going to be able to prove that unless you can cite a very specific aspect of the code, and then it'll be two things, personal property and maybe if you can combine them. I don't know that you can.

So the code section at issue here only pertains to real estate. Right. The exemption that is requested and is refunded is only real estate in our code.

All right. Thank you.

I mean, there are other refunds that we do occasionally for other matters, but for this particular one, it's just real estate.

Okay. Thank you. That clarifies it.

We're, we're good to go with, uh, uh, was there another one you need to review?

I don't know. There's another one we're discussing consent calendar.

I'll move it.

Okay.

Roll call please.

The motion made by Mr. Shepherd is to approve the consent calendar as submitted. Mr. Rohn. Yes. Mr. Shepherd. Yes. Mr. Holroyd. Yes. Mrs. Noll? Yes. Mr. Drury?

Yes.

Motion carried.

I have no new business. I have no closed meeting. I have no future business. We are ready to adjourn. So I'll announce the next meeting of the York County Board of Supervisors will be held 6 p.m. October 6 in the East Room. Your call. We stand adjourned.